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By *hagTonight OP Man 9 weeks ago
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Are you also following the latest about the assassination of ali khamenei and how some think they did assassinate him and some don't?.
It would be interesting to see what you think of it and what it woukd mean for the state?
I believe they did it and how it was with a direct hit too. I also agree with trump when he said that this is the single greatest chance for the iranian people to take back their country as well. |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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No idea what the truth is. But I’d guess if he was alive he’d be on tv proving Trump is lying.
The wider question is what do we as a society about a regime that executes women for not wearing the right clothing and murders anyone who disagrees. Sanctions have clearly not worked, they have been in place for decades…
You’re on a train and see a man with a knife threatening to cut a woman’s throat if she doesn’t suck him off. You wanna help but you’re scared he will use the knife on you. You notice the man sat next to you has a gun. So you can…
1. Do nothing
2. Try to talk the attacker out of it
3. Ask the man with the gun to help
You go for option three as that seems the highest probability of success. The trouble is, the man with the knife has tens of thousands of friends that he’s sent to live in neighbourhoods very close to everyone on the train. All over the western world. Those friends are gonna be very angry if anyone interferes as they believe the knife man is well within his god given rights to demand anything he likes from the woman, even the right to kill her if she disobeys him.
So what now? You and the gunman could save the woman but open up a can of worms. You’ve no idea who or where these terrorists cells are, but you know they will kill thousands of innocent people given the opportunity. (As a side note, do they have to share the 73 virgins? Surely there can’t be enough to go around?)
With the benefit of hindsight, was Britain right to declare war on Germany in 1939 after they invaded Poland? If Germany had nukes, would we have taken the same stance, because we haven’t with Russia over Ukraine.
And the regime in power in Iran has a massive following. Many believe in what the government over there are doing. Taking them out is not as simple as taking out their leader, or the whole government, or even the IRG. This is not gonna be over any time soon unless they surrender
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By *hagTonight OP Man 9 weeks ago
From the land of haribos. |
"No idea what the truth is. But I’d guess if he was alive he’d be on tv proving Trump is lying.
The wider question is what do we as a society about a regime that executes women for not wearing the right clothing and murders anyone who disagrees. Sanctions have clearly not worked, they have been in place for decades…
You’re on a train and see a man with a knife threatening to cut a woman’s throat if she doesn’t suck him off. You wanna help but you’re scared he will use the knife on you. You notice the man sat next to you has a gun. So you can…
1. Do nothing
2. Try to talk the attacker out of it
3. Ask the man with the gun to help
You go for option three as that seems the highest probability of success. The trouble is, the man with the knife has tens of thousands of friends that he’s sent to live in neighbourhoods very close to everyone on the train. All over the western world. Those friends are gonna be very angry if anyone interferes as they believe the knife man is well within his god given rights to demand anything he likes from the woman, even the right to kill her if she disobeys him.
So what now? You and the gunman could save the woman but open up a can of worms. You’ve no idea who or where these terrorists cells are, but you know they will kill thousands of innocent people given the opportunity. (As a side note, do they have to share the 73 virgins? Surely there can’t be enough to go around?)
With the benefit of hindsight, was Britain right to declare war on Germany in 1939 after they invaded Poland? If Germany had nukes, would we have taken the same stance, because we haven’t with Russia over Ukraine.
And the regime in power in Iran has a massive following. Many believe in what the government over there are doing. Taking them out is not as simple as taking out their leader, or the whole government, or even the IRG. This is not gonna be over any time soon unless they surrender
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They are sly, it could be a ruse to fool America, he's 99 and off to live a quite life in Russia.
They want to use his martyrdom to retaliate and gain numbers for support of the Iranian cause.
They'll fight to death but take as many people as they can with them. They are mentally deranged. |
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"They are sly, it could be a ruse to fool America, he's 99 and off to live a quite life in Russia.
They want to use his martyrdom to retaliate and gain numbers for support of the Iranian cause.
They'll fight to death but take as many people as they can with them. They are mentally deranged."
Unfortunately, many believe that, "If you are not prepared to die for what you believe in, then what you believe in is not worth dying for." That's existential-level threat to the thinking of some, and would definitely undo their whole fabric of existence and thinking.
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At its core, it suggests that genuine beliefs aren’t casual preferences—they’re principles central to your identity. If something truly defines your sense of right and wrong, you would not abandon it even under extreme pressure. Historically, this is associated with people who refused to betray their beliefs despite imprisonment or death.
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Most people aren’t expected to literally die for their beliefs. “Prepared to die” can be understood metaphorically:
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Being willing to endure hardship
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Accepting social rejection
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Taking risks or making sacrifices
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It’s about cost, not necessarily death itself.
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The problem however is the stance is double-sided.
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Inspiring side:
Encourages integrity and courage
Reminds people not to live purely for comfort or convenience
Often associated with moral courage (e.g., civil rights activists)
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Dangerous side:
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Taken literally, it can justify fanaticism or extremism
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People can become unwilling to question beliefs, even wrong ones
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It can discourage healthy doubt and growth
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The same mindset that produces heroes can also produce extremists—the difference is whether the belief is grounded in empathy, truth, and openness to revision.
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Modern philosophy would reframe the quote to being "“If you believe in something deeply, you should be willing to sacrifice comfort, safety, or advantage for it—but also remain humble enough to question yourself.”
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Conviction and humility need to coexist. |
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