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1 in 7 UK Young People out of Work or Education
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By (user no longer on site) OP 9 weeks ago
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The highest figure in the developed world.
This seems terrible for the young people concerned, and society as a whole which desperately needs new productive tax payers.
What ideas do you have to fix this problem? |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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First thing is to look at the type of jobs that businesses struggle to fill and look at why that is.
Second would be support young people (in fact everyone) in starting their own business and help remove some of the obstacles.
Third would be to limit the number of uni places for stupid degrees that either qualify you for nothing or there’s maybe 10 jobs a year nationally but 5,000 students studying it. Those student loans are never gonna get paid back. Get them into training that leads to a job.
Forth, stop importing unemployed people, we have enough of those already. You only come here if you have a job to go to and the organisation employing you has to show why there’s nobody already here that can do the job. People talk about doctors and engineers but the BMA says half the medical students who graduate, can get work here.
Reduce benefits for young people who live with their family. I find it amazing that a family is responsible for someone until they turn 18 and then all of a sudden they are the responsibility of the state. £20 pocket money is more than they had the month before.
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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Third would be to limit the number of uni places for stupid degrees that either qualify you for nothing or there’s maybe 10 jobs a year nationally but 5,000 students studying it. Those student loans are never gonna get paid back. Get them into training that leads to a job.
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Third of young people overweight
Hundreds of thousands with depression, adhd etc
Elsewhere I see young scaffolders doing pull ups for fun on site in preparation for CPC and selection at lympstone, and hundreds of thousands working hard at university |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 9 weeks ago
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"First thing is to look at the type of jobs that businesses struggle to fill and look at why that is.
Second would be support young people (in fact everyone) in starting their own business and help remove some of the obstacles.
Third would be to limit the number of uni places for stupid degrees that either qualify you for nothing or there’s maybe 10 jobs a year nationally but 5,000 students studying it. Those student loans are never gonna get paid back. Get them into training that leads to a job.
Forth, stop importing unemployed people, we have enough of those already. You only come here if you have a job to go to and the organisation employing you has to show why there’s nobody already here that can do the job. People talk about doctors and engineers but the BMA says half the medical students who graduate, can get work here.
Reduce benefits for young people who live with their family. I find it amazing that a family is responsible for someone until they turn 18 and then all of a sudden they are the responsibility of the state. £20 pocket money is more than they had the month before.
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By (user no longer on site) OP 9 weeks ago
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"I think good on them way we treat the young I wouldn't bother working either more to life than working for shit."
Cool, then let their families support them, not people who actually are working. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 9 weeks ago
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"Third of young people overweight
Hundreds of thousands with depression, adhd etc
Elsewhere I see young scaffolders doing pull ups for fun on site in preparation for CPC and selection at lympstone, and hundreds of thousands working hard at university"
The overdiagnosis of mental health and learning issues is definitely a problem which seems unique to the UK. |
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By *ty31Man 9 weeks ago
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You have to look at the be efots system and the options available to young people without alot of skills or academic qualifications.
Too many young grow up in households totally dependent on state handouts, often these state handouts add up to the equivalent (if not more) than they could hope to earn in employment (especially in early stages of their career) so psychologically "why bother with work?"
Secondly, there's probably less opportunities for apprenticeships and on job training than previously - employers don't want to spend money training them when there's a good supply of experienced foreign labour available.
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Personally, I think a good start would be to place time limits on benefits and reduce the scope of what's claimable. I also think there should be legal mandates to companies over a certain size/turnover to provide on job training and opportunities either through themselves or their supply chain. |
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By *ydaz70Man 9 weeks ago
Rotherham /newquay |
"I think good on them way we treat the young I wouldn't bother working either more to life than working for shit.
Cool, then let their families support them, not people who actually are working."
most already do we had 24 apprentices The way my company talked to them and treated them they all eventually left one told management if this is what work is I'm off back to my Xbox with no worries if we want them to work treat them well and pay them well. |
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By *ydaz70Man 9 weeks ago
Rotherham /newquay |
"You have to look at the be efots system and the options available to young people without alot of skills or academic qualifications.
Too many young grow up in households totally dependent on state handouts, often these state handouts add up to the equivalent (if not more) than they could hope to earn in employment (especially in early stages of their career) so psychologically "why bother with work?"
Secondly, there's probably less opportunities for apprenticeships and on job training than previously - employers don't want to spend money training them when there's a good supply of experienced foreign labour available.
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Personally, I think a good start would be to place time limits on benefits and reduce the scope of what's claimable. I also think there should be legal mandates to companies over a certain size/turnover to provide on job training and opportunities either through themselves or their supply chain."
most I no don't claim any benefits so reducing it won't matter more ways to make money now days than working. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 9 weeks ago
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"You have to look at the be efots system and the options available to young people without alot of skills or academic qualifications.
Too many young grow up in households totally dependent on state handouts, often these state handouts add up to the equivalent (if not more) than they could hope to earn in employment (especially in early stages of their career) so psychologically "why bother with work?"
Secondly, there's probably less opportunities for apprenticeships and on job training than previously - employers don't want to spend money training them when there's a good supply of experienced foreign labour available.
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Personally, I think a good start would be to place time limits on benefits and reduce the scope of what's claimable. I also think there should be legal mandates to companies over a certain size/turnover to provide on job training and opportunities either through themselves or their supply chain."
Very good points |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"You have to look at the be efots system and the options available to young people without alot of skills or academic qualifications.
Too many young grow up in households totally dependent on state handouts, often these state handouts add up to the equivalent (if not more) than they could hope to earn in employment (especially in early stages of their career) so psychologically "why bother with work?"
Secondly, there's probably less opportunities for apprenticeships and on job training than previously - employers don't want to spend money training them when there's a good supply of experienced foreign labour available.
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Personally, I think a good start would be to place time limits on benefits and reduce the scope of what's claimable. I also think there should be legal mandates to companies over a certain size/turnover to provide on job training and opportunities either through themselves or their supply chain. most I no don't claim any benefits so reducing it won't matter more ways to make money now days than working."
And those ways should pay tax
But I doubt very much that anyone entitled to free money doesn’t bother claiming it, unless they are worried about drawing attention to their black market/ illegal activities |
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By *ydaz70Man 9 weeks ago
Rotherham /newquay |
"You have to look at the be efots system and the options available to young people without alot of skills or academic qualifications.
Too many young grow up in households totally dependent on state handouts, often these state handouts add up to the equivalent (if not more) than they could hope to earn in employment (especially in early stages of their career) so psychologically "why bother with work?"
Secondly, there's probably less opportunities for apprenticeships and on job training than previously - employers don't want to spend money training them when there's a good supply of experienced foreign labour available.
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Personally, I think a good start would be to place time limits on benefits and reduce the scope of what's claimable. I also think there should be legal mandates to companies over a certain size/turnover to provide on job training and opportunities either through themselves or their supply chain. most I no don't claim any benefits so reducing it won't matter more ways to make money now days than working.
And those ways should pay tax
But I doubt very much that anyone entitled to free money doesn’t bother claiming it, unless they are worried about drawing attention to their black market/ illegal activities "
not worried but that's what is happening |
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"The highest figure in the developed world.
This seems terrible for the young people concerned, and society as a whole which desperately needs new productive tax payers.
What ideas do you have to fix this problem?"
A good question, Tom.
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Completely end all forms of "Corporate Welfare", where the tax-payer subsidises large corporations with corporate welfare handouts.
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This ultimately means downgrading billionaires to millionaires, which is one way to curtail corporate greed and rebalance the pockets of all workers.
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The gap between the poorest and the richest within corporations keeps growing and something has to be done to pull things back in to shape. Making companies dip in to their pockets more to pay for their staff (and not sponge off the tax payer) would go some way to rebalancing this.
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Ban all off-shore tax havens and schemes. You keep your money in the UK. Period. You *can* own assets in other countries, but you pay UK tax rates on those assets, not the host country's tax rates.
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Increase nat min wage to the living wage as mandatory across all UK businesses. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 9 weeks ago
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"The highest figure in the developed world.
This seems terrible for the young people concerned, and society as a whole which desperately needs new productive tax payers.
What ideas do you have to fix this problem?
A good question, Tom.
.
Completely end all forms of "Corporate Welfare", where the tax-payer subsidises large corporations with corporate welfare handouts.
.
This ultimately means downgrading billionaires to millionaires, which is one way to curtail corporate greed and rebalance the pockets of all workers.
.
The gap between the poorest and the richest within corporations keeps growing and something has to be done to pull things back in to shape. Making companies dip in to their pockets more to pay for their staff (and not sponge off the tax payer) would go some way to rebalancing this.
.
Ban all off-shore tax havens and schemes. You keep your money in the UK. Period. You *can* own assets in other countries, but you pay UK tax rates on those assets, not the host country's tax rates.
.
Increase nat min wage to the living wage as mandatory across all UK businesses."
Sounds like 1 in 7 out of work is not enough for you ! 🤣 |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"The highest figure in the developed world.
This seems terrible for the young people concerned, and society as a whole which desperately needs new productive tax payers.
What ideas do you have to fix this problem?
A good question, Tom.
.
Completely end all forms of "Corporate Welfare", where the tax-payer subsidises large corporations with corporate welfare handouts.
.
This ultimately means downgrading billionaires to millionaires, which is one way to curtail corporate greed and rebalance the pockets of all workers.
.
The gap between the poorest and the richest within corporations keeps growing and something has to be done to pull things back in to shape. Making companies dip in to their pockets more to pay for their staff (and not sponge off the tax payer) would go some way to rebalancing this.
.
Ban all off-shore tax havens and schemes. You keep your money in the UK. Period. You *can* own assets in other countries, but you pay UK tax rates on those assets, not the host country's tax rates.
.
Increase nat min wage to the living wage as mandatory across all UK businesses."
Increasing business costs reduces employment, it doesn’t increase it. You have proof of this happening right now with the rise in employer NI. More is about to happen with the business rates in the hospitality sector. In see this unfold before their eyes, Rachel from accounts is reconsidering her position.
This is the problem when the people running the country have no experience of running a business. They think they can just take money off them an there won’t be any consequences. There’s always consequences |
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"The highest figure in the developed world.
This seems terrible for the young people society as a whole which desperately needs new productive tax payers.
What ideas do you have to fix this problem?
A good question, Tom.
.
Completely end all forms of "Corporate Welfare", where the tax-payer subsidises large corporations with corporate welfare handouts.
.
This ultimately means downgrading billionaires to millionaires, which is one way to curtail corporate greed and rebalance the pockets of all workers.
.
The gap between the poorest and the richest within corporations keeps growing and something has to be done to pull things back in to shape. Making companies dip in to their pockets more to pay for their staff (and not sponge off the tax payer) would go some way to rebalancing this.
.
Ban all off-shore tax havens and schemes. You keep your money in the UK. Period. You *can* own assets in other countries, but you pay UK tax rates on those assets, not the host country's tax rates.
.
Increase nat min wage to the living wage as mandatory across all UK businesses."
You mean in crease the costs of the supply chain so goods and services go up in cost increasing inflation and making it harder for the poorest to survive.
We saw what happened with the NI on companies.
You could scrap NI on under 21 to incorage companies.
But there are so many self employed how like me just don't want the red tape. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 9 weeks ago
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"Are we talking higher educated younger people or Joe who left School at 16 with no qualifications? Because my Indeed has shedloads of jobs that would snatch up the latter. The former not so much.
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Poor education has certainly paid its part |
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By *ermbiMan 9 weeks ago
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"Are we talking higher educated younger people or Joe who left School at 16 with no qualifications? Because my Indeed has shedloads of jobs that would snatch up the latter. The former not so much.
Poor education has certainly paid its part "
Based on what evidence? |
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