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By (user no longer on site) OP 8 weeks ago
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"Boris, of course.
He sorted out Britain good and proper after helping free us from the shackles of Europe and then went on to lead us, (some might say up the garden path), through covid. "
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"Boris, of course.
He sorted out Britain good and proper after helping free us from the shackles of Europe and then went on to lead us, (some might say up the garden path), through covid. "
Rumours are he even eventually left that fridge he was hiding in. |
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Churchills', he was a born leader. He had his faults but wasn't stupid enough to believe he was God.
He believed greatness came with achievement very much a meritocrat and his government galvanised the soul of British society at a time of being the most vulnerable at the hands of the Nazis.
He who dawbs his statue is doomed to hell pull it down at your peril.
As for the rest they tried but failed to live up to his level.
Thatcher could have been the nearest contender but she was surrounded by weak and pompousity plus she stop being a woman and became a bloke. Technically the first gender blender prime minister. Although ole Heathy was a camp big girls blouse too, government had only 4yrs in world of flux, no impact made.
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Couldn't disagree more with those saying thatcher.
Her government decimated so many industries, selling off housing and school fields created such divisions that have increased and still going on.
Ushered in the "LOADS OF MONEY " mentality everyone should work for themselves and be self employed. Yeah to let employers get away with their responsibilities.
The building trade has never recovered from what she done.
If she was around today her and trump would be besties. |
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None, the sum of red and blue has delivered poorly
Exponential growth of national debt
Exponential growth of welfare state
Sold off half of social housing stock
Decline in manufacturing
Decline in farming output
Reduction of armed forces
Increased household debt
Bloated cost of public services
High tax’s
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"Couldn't disagree more with those saying thatcher.
Her government decimated so many industries, selling off housing and school fields created such divisions that have increased and still going on.
Ushered in the "LOADS OF MONEY " mentality everyone should work for themselves and be self employed. Yeah to let employers get away with their responsibilities.
The building trade has never recovered from what she done.
If she was around today her and trump would be besties. "
All true. But new labour had 13 years to repair and were worse
700 PFI schemes
Continued right to buy
60% growth in private rented housing 97-2010
Buy to let was borne under Labour
Built less social housing than thatcher.
Illegal Iraq war
Poor judgement of mortgage deregulation that left uk exposed to the credit crisis
Doubled the national debt (add PFI and would be higher) |
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By (user no longer on site) 8 weeks ago
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"Couldn't disagree more with those saying thatcher.
Her government decimated so many industries, selling off housing and school fields created such divisions that have increased and still going on.
Ushered in the "LOADS OF MONEY " mentality everyone should work for themselves and be self employed. Yeah to let employers get away with their responsibilities.
The building trade has never recovered from what she done.
If she was around today her and trump would be besties. "
The unions decimated industry, not the government.
Thatcher lowered basic tax from 33% to 25% in less than 10 years. Doing more for the lower paid than any Labour government.
Top earners paid 83% tax. Think about that, 83% of your wages gone, plus national insurance. That’s criminal. And when that was lowered to a more reasonable level the economy boomed so much it overheated. |
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Surely it has to be Margaret Thatcher although she was unpopular at the time with the working class , you would have to be pretty dumb to not realise it needed to be done. Now most of the working class despise labour and I like the characters like Boris and Farage, how things changed today. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 8 weeks ago
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"Couldn't disagree more with those saying thatcher.
Her government decimated so many industries, selling off housing and school fields created such divisions that have increased and still going on.
Ushered in the "LOADS OF MONEY " mentality everyone should work for themselves and be self employed. Yeah to let employers get away with their responsibilities.
The building trade has never recovered from what she done.
If she was around today her and trump would be besties. "
I grew up in the South East and everyone in the building trade filled their boots under Thatcher ! |
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"Couldn't disagree more with those saying thatcher.
Her government decimated so many industries, selling off housing and school fields created such divisions that have increased and still going on.
Ushered in the "LOADS OF MONEY " mentality everyone should work for themselves and be self employed. Yeah to let employers get away with their responsibilities.
The building trade has never recovered from what she done.
If she was around today her and trump would be besties.
I grew up in the South East and everyone in the building trade filled their boots under Thatcher !"
Initially yes, but a couple of years down the line when work dried up employer's where able to get rid of people with a snap of their fingers.
During thatchers rain as emperor 250k tradesmen left the industry never to return.
Long term the end of proper apprenticeships and the introduction of the ridiculous YTS scheme meant that poorly trained tradespeople entering the industry.
The introduction of agencies meant no job security.
People think zero hrs contracts are a recent thing, nope this has been part of the building trade since the 80's but because we are hairy arsed builders no one gives a crap.
You wanna know why there's such a shortfall in decent trades these day's?
Thatcher!
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By (user no longer on site) 8 weeks ago
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"Couldn't disagree more with those saying thatcher.
Her government decimated so many industries, selling off housing and school fields created such divisions that have increased and still going on.
Ushered in the "LOADS OF MONEY " mentality everyone should work for themselves and be self employed. Yeah to let employers get away with their responsibilities.
The building trade has never recovered from what she done.
If she was around today her and trump would be besties.
I grew up in the South East and everyone in the building trade filled their boots under Thatcher !
Initially yes, but a couple of years down the line when work dried up employer's where able to get rid of people with a snap of their fingers.
During thatchers rain as emperor 250k tradesmen left the industry never to return.
Long term the end of proper apprenticeships and the introduction of the ridiculous YTS scheme meant that poorly trained tradespeople entering the industry.
The introduction of agencies meant no job security.
People think zero hrs contracts are a recent thing, nope this has been part of the building trade since the 80's but because we are hairy arsed builders no one gives a crap.
You wanna know why there's such a shortfall in decent trades these day's?
Thatcher!
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Making people do things a certain way is the most anti-liberal behaviour there is. Yes when it comes to crime and safety there’s exceptions, but trying to manipulate market forces is what causes market problems.
A shortage of a certain skill set is usually caused by low wages or poor job security. Once that hits a certain point the problem fixes itself. Think of a job you would hate to do. For me, drain cleaning would be one and I bet that would be a common one. But if there was enough money in it, I’d do it.
Minimum wage kinda broke that system. Now many jobs have a “maximum wage”. Market forces are skewed by the law. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 8 weeks ago
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"Couldn't disagree more with those saying thatcher.
Her government decimated so many industries, selling off housing and school fields created such divisions that have increased and still going on.
Ushered in the "LOADS OF MONEY " mentality everyone should work for themselves and be self employed. Yeah to let employers get away with their responsibilities.
The building trade has never recovered from what she done.
If she was around today her and trump would be besties.
I grew up in the South East and everyone in the building trade filled their boots under Thatcher !
Initially yes, but a couple of years down the line when work dried up employer's where able to get rid of people with a snap of their fingers.
During thatchers rain as emperor 250k tradesmen left the industry never to return.
Long term the end of proper apprenticeships and the introduction of the ridiculous YTS scheme meant that poorly trained tradespeople entering the industry.
The introduction of agencies meant no job security.
People think zero hrs contracts are a recent thing, nope this has been part of the building trade since the 80's but because we are hairy arsed builders no one gives a crap.
You wanna know why there's such a shortfall in decent trades these day's?
Thatcher!
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By (user no longer on site) 8 weeks ago
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"Couldn't disagree more with those saying thatcher.
Her government decimated so many industries, selling off housing and school fields created such divisions that have increased and still going on.
Ushered in the "LOADS OF MONEY " mentality everyone should work for themselves and be self employed. Yeah to let employers get away with their responsibilities.
The building trade has never recovered from what she done.
If she was around today her and trump would be besties.
The unions decimated industry, not the government.
Thatcher lowered basic tax from 33% to 25% in less than 10 years. Doing more for the lower paid than any Labour government.
Top earners paid 83% tax. Think about that, 83% of your wages gone, plus national insurance. That’s criminal. And when that was lowered to a more reasonable level the economy boomed so much it overheated. "
Tax is essential for a functioning society. |
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By (user no longer on site) 8 weeks ago
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"Couldn't disagree more with those saying thatcher.
Her government decimated so many industries, selling off housing and school fields created such divisions that have increased and still going on.
Ushered in the "LOADS OF MONEY " mentality everyone should work for themselves and be self employed. Yeah to let employers get away with their responsibilities.
The building trade has never recovered from what she done.
If she was around today her and trump would be besties.
The unions decimated industry, not the government.
Thatcher lowered basic tax from 33% to 25% in less than 10 years. Doing more for the lower paid than any Labour government.
Top earners paid 83% tax. Think about that, 83% of your wages gone, plus national insurance. That’s criminal. And when that was lowered to a more reasonable level the economy boomed so much it overheated.
Tax is essential for a functioning society."
I didn’t say it wasn’t.
Political parties exist because there are massive differences of opinion on what should be provided as a service from forced taxation and what people should pay for themselves. There is no right or wrong, just opinion, but some think their opinion is the right way |
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"Churchills', he was a born leader. He had his faults but wasn't stupid enough to believe he was God.
He believed greatness came with achievement very much a meritocrat and his government galvanised the soul of British society at a time of being the most vulnerable at the hands of the Nazis.
He who dawbs his statue is doomed to hell pull it down at your peril.
As for the rest they tried but failed to live up to his level.
Thatcher could have been the nearest contender but she was surrounded by weak and pompousity plus she stop being a woman and became a bloke. Technically the first gender blender prime minister. Although ole Heathy was a camp big girls blouse too, government had only 4yrs in world of flux, no impact made.
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you are joking? He was a goid wartime leader other than that he was a vile human being |
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By *winga2Man 8 weeks ago
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It wouldn't matter a toss who the government was, the English will do nothing but cry and whine about it.
Social media has given the cry babies a great platform
Fact is too many lazy, idle scroungers are ruining the country and governments have to chase their vote, at the end of the day all political parties are interested in is voter numbers and to fuck with the country . |
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"Churchills', he was a born leader. He had his faults but wasn't stupid enough to believe he was God.
He believed greatness came with achievement very much a meritocrat and his government galvanised the soul of British society at a time of being the most vulnerable at the hands of the Nazis.
He who dawbs his statue is doomed to hell pull it down at your peril.
As for the rest they tried but failed to live up to his level.
Thatcher could have been the nearest contender but she was surrounded by weak and pompousity plus she stop being a woman and became a bloke. Technically the first gender blender prime minister. Although ole Heathy was a camp big girls blouse too, government had only 4yrs in world of flux, no impact made.
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Well Churchill had several periods in and out of government, people tend to only remember him as a wartime leader when he did come into his own. However some of the other governments he was a minister in were not so successful. |
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" Poll Tax was her undoing."
Poll tax was the only fair way to fund councils. Still can’t understand why there was so much resistance to it. It should be brought back.
As for the rest, Thatcher was mainly good but right to buy should never have been introduced (or if it was, there shouldn’t have been any discount and all money raised should have been spent building new properties). Also, selling off industries essential for life was a bad idea. Power, water etc. should be state owned. |
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By *abioMan 8 weeks ago
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"Churchills', he was a born leader. He had his faults but wasn't stupid enough to believe he was God.
He believed greatness came with achievement very much a meritocrat and his government galvanised the soul of British society at a time of being the most vulnerable at the hands of the Nazis.
He who dawbs his statue is doomed to hell pull it down at your peril.
As for the rest they tried but failed to live up to his level.
Thatcher could have been the nearest contender but she was surrounded by weak and pompousity plus she stop being a woman and became a bloke. Technically the first gender blender prime minister. Although ole Heathy was a camp big girls blouse too, government had only 4yrs in world of flux, no impact made.
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Churchill was a Great War time leader… but a really poor peace time one! Some people are made for certain situations…. |
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"Labour 1945-51
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This ↑
Post-war period (during Bretton-Woods) arguably the most progressive and successful period in terms of equality re-distribution of wealth and opportunity for the working and middle classes in Britain's history.
Nixon/Thatcher, introduction of neo-liberalism destroyed all of that, resulting in the situation we are in today. 90's pre-Iraq probably peak in most peoples minds - but that was before the effects of those decisions in the 70s really took hold. |
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"I actually think the 2010-2015 coalition deserves more credit. They stabilised an awful economic situation after the Banking Crisis."
I have to disagree.
When interest rates were at zero, they had the opportunity to invest, build, create new industries. Long term strategies. Instead, they chose austerity. So we now get poor public services, potholes, vape shops and massive student debt. |
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"I actually think the 2010-2015 coalition deserves more credit. They stabilised an awful economic situation after the Banking Crisis."
Increase of national debt from £834bn in 2010 to £2.6trn by 2024. Add austerity and it would be significantly higher.
Added to labours doubling the national debt between 97-2010 and 700 PFI schemes…….
….where has all the money gone ? |
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Are you having a laugh 😂
Austerity made the country poor, it made public services even more shite.
Even Iceland recovered better (the country not the shop 🙄)
It was also linked to an estimated 190,000 excess deaths between 2010 and 2019, including "deaths of despair".
Still, trump is a top guy too 😂 |
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"Are you having a laugh 😂
Austerity made the country poor, it made public services even more shite.
Even Iceland recovered better (the country not the shop 🙄)
It was also linked to an estimated 190,000 excess deaths between 2010 and 2019, including "deaths of despair".
Still, trump is a top guy too 😂"
Not sure which British government Trump was in change of, could you clarify?
I’m also interested in the term “made the country poorer”.
The world bank defines the richness of a county by gdp per capita, which grew significantly in the UK during the so called “austerity years”.
It has however been stagnant since 2023
So under a time of liberal government spending, massive increases in government borrowing (not including Covid) and increased taxation, I’ll grant you started under the previous government but have been ramped up by Labour, have made the country poorer, but the so called austerity made the country richer.
Yes individuals buck the trend, there’s always exceptions, but the over figures fly in the face of your claims.
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"I actually think the 2010-2015 coalition deserves more credit. They stabilised an awful economic situation after the Banking Crisis.
Increase of national debt from £834bn in 2010 to £2.6trn by 2024. Add austerity and it would be significantly higher.
Added to labours doubling the national debt between 97-2010 and 700 PFI schemes…….
….where has all the money gone ? "
Ooh, I dunno. 1000% rise in UK billionaires since the 90's. Massive increase in wealth of top 1%. Maybe ask one of them? Although I doubt they're on here. |
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"I actually think the 2010-2015 coalition deserves more credit. They stabilised an awful economic situation after the Banking Crisis.
Increase of national debt from £834bn in 2010 to £2.6trn by 2024. Add austerity and it would be significantly higher.
Added to labours doubling the national debt between 97-2010 and 700 PFI schemes…….
….where has all the money gone ?
Ooh, I dunno. 1000% rise in UK billionaires since the 90's. Massive increase in wealth of top 1%. Maybe ask one of them? Although I doubt they're on here. "
According to The Sunday Times Rich List 2025, the number of billionaires in the UK has dropped to 156, down from 165 in 2024. This marks the third consecutive year of decline |
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"I actually think the 2010-2015 coalition deserves more credit. They stabilised an awful economic situation after the Banking Crisis.
Increase of national debt from £834bn in 2010 to £2.6trn by 2024. Add austerity and it would be significantly higher.
Added to labours doubling the national debt between 97-2010 and 700 PFI schemes…….
….where has all the money gone ?
Ooh, I dunno. 1000% rise in UK billionaires since the 90's. Massive increase in wealth of top 1%. Maybe ask one of them? Although I doubt they're on here.
According to The Sunday Times Rich List 2025, the number of billionaires in the UK has dropped to 156, down from 165 in 2024. This marks the third consecutive year of decline"
And your point is what exactly? There were 15 Billionaires in 1990.
The fact remains that nearly a quarter of UK wealth is now held by the top 1%, who pay significantly less tax as a percentage of their income than you or I and instead of that money going into public servcicess, it goes into ever increasing asset prices.
Wealth distribution is not accounted for in GDP figures. Ask any person on the street if they feel like the country did better during austerity, as shown in the GDP per capita figures you state. A billionaire might probably agree with them though.
Wealth distribution is what makes it possible for those entering the job market to have a secure job and afford a deposit and mortgage on a decent house, save for retirement and use decent public services. Its what makes us feel like we're doing ok. As it stands, we're heading in the direction of ever greater inequality. But the GDP per capita figure is ok though. |
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"I actually think the 2010-2015 coalition deserves more credit. They stabilised an awful economic situation after the Banking Crisis.
Increase of national debt from £834bn in 2010 to £2.6trn by 2024. Add austerity and it would be significantly higher.
Added to labours doubling the national debt between 97-2010 and 700 PFI schemes…….
….where has all the money gone ?
Ooh, I dunno. 1000% rise in UK billionaires since the 90's. Massive increase in wealth of top 1%. Maybe ask one of them? Although I doubt they're on here.
According to The Sunday Times Rich List 2025, the number of billionaires in the UK has dropped to 156, down from 165 in 2024. This marks the third consecutive year of decline
And your point is what exactly? There were 15 Billionaires in 1990.
The fact remains that nearly a quarter of UK wealth is now held by the top 1%, who pay significantly less tax as a percentage of their income than you or I and instead of that money going into public servcicess, it goes into ever increasing asset prices.
Wealth distribution is not accounted for in GDP figures. Ask any person on the street if they feel like the country did better during austerity, as shown in the GDP per capita figures you state. A billionaire might probably agree with them though.
Wealth distribution is what makes it possible for those entering the job market to have a secure job and afford a deposit and mortgage on a decent house, save for retirement and use decent public services. Its what makes us feel like we're doing ok. As it stands, we're heading in the direction of ever greater inequality. But the GDP per capita figure is ok though."
I made my point. Copy and paste seems a bit silly when it’s still there for all to read |
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And just to add on the 2008 Banking Crisis...a major factor of that can be attributed to the deregulaion of the financial system and the recklessness that ensued. We have Nixon/Thatcher again to thank for that. It's all linked. |
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By (user no longer on site) 8 weeks ago
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First Blair is only good government I could label good. Tax credits, pension credits and positive investments in people. Before that was dark decades, since worse again. In truth all governments have failure to understand they serve us. Prompted by the fools who call them the political class as if they are better. |
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By (user no longer on site) 8 weeks ago
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"But your inconsequential point completely ignores the the central issue. It's like saying 'oh, the rain has eased up a little bit' whilst in the middle of a monsoon. 😂 "
I agree, my point won’t generate any consequences, just whataboutery.
So what is the central issue? Some people have a shit load more money than you and I both and one of us is really wound up by that fact, but the other couldn’t give two fucks? That’s hardly the central issue to anything other than envy. |
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"Genuine question as it seems a long time !
First Blair Govt before Iraq ?
Thatcher before the Poll Tax ?
Disraeli before the Corn Laws?"
I would need you to give me specifics about what you would consider to be good?
Personally, I don't think there has been one. Each one has been self serving rather than serving all of the people. |
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"And just to add on the 2008 Banking Crisis...a major factor of that can be attributed to the deregulaion of the financial system and the recklessness that ensued. We have Nixon/Thatcher again to thank for that. It's all linked. "
Struggling to think how that relates to thatcher. There were no sub prime mortgages, buy to let, negative equity mortgages, pay day loans etc under thatcher. That all developed under labours 11 years from 1997 up to the financial crises.
Separately, on housing, Labour increased the number of private rented homes (through buy to let) by 60%. I was surprised to learn that Thatchers administration built more council houses in its final year than the entire 13-year tenure of New Labour 1997–2010. (Full Fact) |
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"1000% rise in UK billionaires since the 90's."
"According to The Sunday Times Rich List 2025, the number of billionaires in the UK has dropped to 156 ..."
"And your point is what exactly? There were 15 Billionaires in 1990."
That's a 900% increase, not 1000%.
And inflation means that a billion 1990 pounds would be £2.5bn today. How many people in the UK are worth £2.5bn or more? |
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Personally, I don't think there has been one. Each one has been self serving rather than serving all of the people."
And this is the age old question - does parliament exist to do the will of the public, or to do what’s best for the public? Because the two may not align. |
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"Personally, I don't think there has been one. Each one has been self serving rather than serving all of the people."
"And this is the age old question - does parliament exist to do the will of the public, or to do what’s best for the public? Because the two may not align."
The problem is that the will of the people is easy to measure and popular to implement (by definition). What's best for the public is much harder to determine, and differs depending on who's doing the determining. |
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By *otMe66Man 8 weeks ago
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"And just to add on the 2008 Banking Crisis...a major factor of that can be attributed to the deregulaion of the financial system and the recklessness that ensued. We have Nixon/Thatcher again to thank for that. It's all linked. "
It is linked but not as you might think.
Blair and Brown loved the deregulation and encouraged more of the same, where do you think the money was coming from?
You can argue that is not true, or it was x y or z, but many were thriving. Bishopsgate. |
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"And just to add on the 2008 Banking Crisis...a major factor of that can be attributed to the deregulaion of the financial system and the recklessness that ensued. We have Nixon/Thatcher again to thank for that. It's all linked.
It is linked but not as you might think.
Blair and Brown loved the deregulation and encouraged more of the same, where do you think the money was coming from?
You can argue that is not true, or it was x y or z, but many were thriving. Bishopsgate."
It was largely Clinton's deregulation that led to the sub prime crisis. |
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Struggling to think how that relates to thatcher. There were no sub prime mortgages, buy to let, negative equity mortgages, pay day loans etc under thatcher. That all developed under labours 11 years from 1997 up to the financial crises.
Separately, on housing, Labour increased the number of private rented homes (through buy to let) by 60%. I was surprised to learn that Thatchers administration built more council houses in its final year than the entire 13-year tenure of New Labour 1997–2010. (Full Fact)"
Relates to Thatcher because is it literally a result of de-regulation of financial markets - policies enacted by Reagan, Thatcher et al. Continued by Blair govt. |
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By *otMe66Man 8 weeks ago
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"And just to add on the 2008 Banking Crisis...a major factor of that can be attributed to the deregulaion of the financial system and the recklessness that ensued. We have Nixon/Thatcher again to thank for that. It's all linked.
It is linked but not as you might think.
Blair and Brown loved the deregulation and encouraged more of the same, where do you think the money was coming from?
You can argue that is not true, or it was x y or z, but many were thriving. Bishopsgate.
It was largely Clinton's deregulation that led to the sub prime crisis."
We have a financial market that underpins our economy today from that era  |
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We have a financial market that underpins our economy today from that era "
Exactly. And without fixing/regulating the financial system and addressing wealth distribution, we're on a pretty grim path. |
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"Boris, of course.
He sorted out Britain good and proper after helping free us from the shackles of Europe and then went on to lead us, (some might say up the garden path), through covid. "
You mean the guy who continued to represent the UK and corporate interests in Ukraine even after we got rid of him |
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By *otMe66Man 8 weeks ago
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We have a financial market that underpins our economy today from that era
Exactly. And without fixing/regulating the financial system and addressing wealth distribution, we're on a pretty grim path."
I think you misunderstood my comment, my bad I should have been clearer. It is the financial markets that provide the safety net for you and me, with pensions, savings and capital that is keeping the economy from failing.
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Ah ok - my mistake.
I'm of the opinion that the way the financial markets are operated are actually causing more harm to the 90% (and rising). Pensions being gambled on speculation when they could be mandated to be put to use investing in productive UK industries, increased liklihood/severity of economic shocks etc, govt operating in fear of 'spooking' markets. List goes on. (Although that works both ways - just ask Liz Truss) |
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"Boris, of course.
He sorted out Britain good and proper after helping free us from the shackles of Europe and then went on to lead us, (some might say up the garden path), through covid.
You mean the guy who continued to represent the UK and corporate interests in Ukraine even after we got rid of him "
I just meant the egotist who was in it for himself and nobody else.
If you can't see that my entire post was poking fun, I had better give up all aspirations of becoming a satirist! |
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"Pensions being gambled on speculation when they could be mandated to be put to use investing in productive UK industries..."
What would that look like in practical terms, and how would a better return on investment be guaranteed (or even a likely outcome)? |
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You couldnt guarantee that the return on investment would be better - nor am I suggesting that it would. Just as you couldn't guarantee that the stock market value wont change or crash. Without going into too much detail, pension schemes with an obligation to invest a proportion of its funds in productive assets (such as infrastructure) would be a interesting idea. |
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By *l_xxxMan 8 weeks ago
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"Labour 1945-51
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Agree. Just how its been managed afterwards has gone downhill. As for Mr Blair, presiding for the longest time whilst world economies stole billions (Enron and Lehman scandals) which we've never recovered from, i think he and Gordie aren't far off the 80s boom and bust equivilent. |
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"Thatcher for nothing more than when she made a decision she stuck to it Nowadays theres so many u turns we go in circles getting nowhere. A leaders meant to lead not bow to pressure "
Surely that is just an opinion?
Nobody bowed down to pressure more than Thatcher with the poll tax, especially when it dawned on her that bringing the proles into the councils' books would mean that they would become hostile voters to the conservatives! |
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"Boris, of course.
He sorted out Britain good and proper after helping free us from the shackles of Europe and then went on to lead us, (some might say up the garden path), through covid. "
The farmers lost £100 to £150 per acre from the EU for doing nothing with the land., when Boris did that. In their eyes, not a good move |
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"In my opinion it was Thatcher, not for what she did, as in snatching the milk, closing the pits, etc.
Thatcher and Kinnock, were the last two, who would fight for something they believed in."
But what they believed in has left the country in a mess dirty water.
The last good leader has to be pre UK debt 1662 ish |
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"Boris, of course.
He sorted out Britain good and proper after helping free us from the shackles of Europe and then went on to lead us, (some might say up the garden path), through covid.
The farmers lost £100 to £150 per acre from the EU for doing nothing with the land., when Boris did that. In their eyes, not a good move"
Once again, I hope that everyone reading the thread realises that I was being sarcastic by suggesting Boris for the award! |
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"Boris, of course.
He sorted out Britain good and proper after helping free us from the shackles of Europe and then went on to lead us, (some might say up the garden path), through covid.
The farmers lost £100 to £150 per acre from the EU for doing nothing with the land., when Boris did that. In their eyes, not a good move
Once again, I hope that everyone reading the thread realises that I was being sarcastic by suggesting Boris for the award!"
Boris at least had certain leadership qualities, even if in government the polices and outcomes were rubbish.
We’ve now swapped him for Starmer, the policies and outcomes are still rubbish and he’s no leader either.
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By (user no longer on site) OP 6 weeks ago
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"Thank god we have Starmer with the present Iran crisis. I want safe,dull and dependable in no10. Not some lying clown like Boris or worse a Trump poodle like Badenoch."
Starmer is the most unpopular PM on record! |
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By *lex46TV/TS 5 weeks ago
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In my llfetime
Margret Thacher before poll tax
Tony Blair before WMD, Iraq etc
David Cameron before his stupid referendum which now makes his government one of the worse.
Before I was born
Winston Churchill 1940-45
Clement Attlee 1945-51
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By (user no longer on site) OP 5 weeks ago
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"In my llfetime
Margret Thacher before poll tax
Tony Blair before WMD, Iraq etc
David Cameron before his stupid referendum which now makes his government one of the worse.
Before I was born
Winston Churchill 1940-45
Clement Attlee 1945-51
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All good shouts |
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"In my llfetime
Margret Thacher before poll tax
Tony Blair before WMD, Iraq etc
David Cameron before his stupid referendum which now makes his government one of the worse.
Before I was born
Winston Churchill 1940-45
Clement Attlee 1945-51
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What was wrong with Poll Tax?
Far fairer system for funding council services that only clobbering the notional householder.
It is predominantly individuals that use the various services, rather than the properties. |
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"In terms of influence on my future it would be Blair 97."
Similarly, I used to believe Blair was up there with one of the best of all time until 5-6 years ago.
Now, I struggle to see any of them, especially in my lifetime, have been better than mediocre at best 
It's easier to name the worst with so many to chose from |
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"Thank god we have Starmer with the present Iran crisis. I want safe,dull and dependable in no10. Not some lying clown like Boris or worse a Trump poodle like Badenoch."
This is exactly what I want too. John Major was another of the same calibre (apart from the Edwina Currie bit). I don't value flashy, loud and shouty PM's. Or people. Just those who get the job done quietly with little to no fanfare. The quieter, the better. |
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