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Donald Trump says it would be "very bad for the future of Nato" if allies don't help secure the Strait of Hormuz - a critical waterway for global oil shipping
No disguising or misinterpreting this threat
With the Baltics next in line for Russia what should nato members do next? |
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Sending assets to the other side of the globe isn't good strategy especially when what Trump is trying to bully the alliance into doing isn't what Nato was set up for..
Putin at this point is too weak militarily to invade other baltic states which would trigger article 5..
Plus domestically theres a difference between a 'special operation' and what's required for an all out war on a much bigger scale..
By the time he is Nato countries need to be ready to stand up and face him.. |
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By (user no longer on site) 7 weeks ago
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"Donald Trump says it would be "very bad for the future of Nato" if allies don't help secure the Strait of Hormuz - a critical waterway for global oil shipping
No disguising or misinterpreting this threat
With the Baltics next in line for Russia what should nato members do next? "
Ignore Trump, because he’s simply trying to escape the hole he’s dug with Netanyahu.
He told the UK he doesn’t need our help, the war is won. Ok Donald, we’ll have a brew  |
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By *ty31Man 7 weeks ago
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"Donald Trump says it would be "very bad for the future of Nato" if allies don't help secure the Strait of Hormuz - a critical waterway for global oil shipping
No disguising or misinterpreting this threat
With the Baltics next in line for Russia what should nato members do next?
Ignore Trump, because he’s simply trying to escape the hole he’s dug with Netanyahu.
He told the UK he doesn’t need our help, the war is won. Ok Donald, we’ll have a brew "
It sounds to me like they didn't prepare for the scenario that Iran would not surrender following the shock and awe tactics and weren't prepared for the scenario of Iran blocking the Strait
Now they want somebody else to do the dangerous job of esc@rting ships though - the war is already unpopular in America and I guess the potential loss of US navy personnel would undermine Trumps presidency?
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"What benefit does the US get from Nato, where it pays 60% of the cost?
What benefits ?
911 ?
Aren't they begging for NATO support right now ?
Did mango bite off more than he can chew
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No, they are asking for an international involvement in protecting international waters. |
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By *I TwoCouple 7 weeks ago
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"What benefit does the US get from Nato, where it pays 60% of the cost?
What benefits ?
911 ?
Aren't they begging for NATO support right now ?
Did mango bite off more than he can chew
No, they are asking for an international involvement in protecting international waters."
I they're not, he's begging for help and issuing threats
Time to admit your superhero is fucked.
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"What benefit does the US get from Nato, where it pays 60% of the cost?
What benefits ?
911 ?
Aren't they begging for NATO support right now ?
Did mango bite off more than he can chew
No, they are asking for an international involvement in protecting international waters.
I they're not, he's begging for help and issuing threats
Time to admit your superhero is fucked.
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"What benefit does the US get from Nato, where it pays 60% of the cost?"
What benefits does USA get from NATO?
NATO members have to spend a certain percentage of GDP on "defense"... where is that money spent?
USA is the biggest arms manufacture #ffs
USA has been at war for 93% of it's entire existence.
If include the shady stuff, assassinations, assassination attempts, regime changes, coups etc, that figure goes up to 98%
Peace is not in USA nature
Peace is not in USA interest
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By *abioMan 7 weeks ago
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"Donald Trump says it would be "very bad for the future of Nato" if allies don't help secure the Strait of Hormuz - a critical waterway for global oil shipping
No disguising or misinterpreting this threat
With the Baltics next in line for Russia what should nato members do next?
Ignore Trump, because he’s simply trying to escape the hole he’s dug with Netanyahu.
He told the UK he doesn’t need our help, the war is won. Ok Donald, we’ll have a brew
It sounds to me like they didn't prepare for the scenario that Iran would not surrender following the shock and awe tactics and weren't prepared for the scenario of Iran blocking the Strait
Now they want somebody else to do the dangerous job of esc@rting ships though - the war is already unpopular in America and I guess the potential loss of US navy personnel would undermine Trumps presidency?
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You think there was really any preparation for scenarios… remember on day two Rubio said the US went in because Israel were going to do it anyway.. and they would get blamed so it was a “preemptive defensive first strike”
So it wasn’t Iran that wagged the dog… it was Israel!
Because at no point were Israel thinking of the consequences…. They just played up the fact the us would get dragged in |
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Typical Mango Maniac. Rather than try a diplomatic route the imbecile immediately lurches to the only tactic he knows- bullying.
For a war that has already been won, despite destroying the nuclear threat (at least twice), not needing the UK to join in the war which has already been won and having the biggest, bestest and most beautiful military in the world ever and ever the idiot thinks that threatening retribution on Allies if they don't go along with his hair brained plans is a winning strategy.
It is painfully obvious now that Trumps original plan has turned out badly and that he has no exit strategy. Trying to drag everyone else into the chaos is his only alternative. Gutting the Pentagon of career planners and politically independent senior staff and replacing them with MAGA supporters and yes men has come back to bite him hard.
Trump proves that he is still at heart a failed dodgy estate agent rather than Presidential material. I feel sorry for the US like I never thought I would. |
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By (user no longer on site) 7 weeks ago
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"Donald Trump says it would be "very bad for the future of Nato" if allies don't help secure the Strait of Hormuz - a critical waterway for global oil shipping
No disguising or misinterpreting this threat
With the Baltics next in line for Russia what should nato members do next?
Ignore Trump, because he’s simply trying to escape the hole he’s dug with Netanyahu.
He told the UK he doesn’t need our help, the war is won. Ok Donald, we’ll have a brew
It sounds to me like they didn't prepare for the scenario that Iran would not surrender following the shock and awe tactics and weren't prepared for the scenario of Iran blocking the Strait
Now they want somebody else to do the dangerous job of esc@rting ships though - the war is already unpopular in America and I guess the potential loss of US navy personnel would undermine Trumps presidency?
You think there was really any preparation for scenarios… remember on day two Rubio said the US went in because Israel were going to do it anyway.. and they would get blamed so it was a “preemptive defensive first strike”
So it wasn’t Iran that wagged the dog… it was Israel!
Because at no point were Israel thinking of the consequences…. They just played up the fact the us would get dragged in"
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By (user no longer on site) 7 weeks ago
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"What benefit does the US get from Nato, where it pays 60% of the cost?
What benefits does USA get from NATO?
NATO members have to spend a certain percentage of GDP on "defense"... where is that money spent?
USA is the biggest arms manufacture #ffs
USA has been at war for 93% of it's entire existence.
If include the shady stuff, assassinations, assassination attempts, regime changes, coups etc, that figure goes up to 98%
Peace is not in USA nature
Peace is not in USA interest
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By (user no longer on site) 7 weeks ago
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"The dastardly cunt is now asking CHINA to send warships to the straits.
Holy fuck you couldn't make this up "
Christ, China protecting Chinese ships ! What a rotter ! |
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What does the USA get out of NATO?
As far as I see, especially since the end of the Cold War, it’s been used as a tool of American hegemony over Western Europe as well as a pointy stick to wind the Russians up with.
So from their POV, money well spent I reckon.
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"The dastardly cunt is now asking CHINA to send warships to the straits.
Holy fuck you couldn't make this up
Christ, China protecting Chinese ships ! What a rotter !"
Trump kicked off, thus creating the problem. HE should solve it or run the risk of alienating would could soon be previous allies in the region. |
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"The dastardly cunt is now asking CHINA to send warships to the straits.
Holy fuck you couldn't make this up
Christ, China protecting Chinese ships ! What a rotter !
Trump kicked off, thus creating the problem. HE should solve it or run the risk of alienating would could soon be previous allies in the region."
Ah I see, you want American isolationism now, gotcha |
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"The dastardly cunt is now asking CHINA to send warships to the straits.
Holy fuck you couldn't make this up
Christ, China protecting Chinese ships ! What a rotter !
Trump kicked off, thus creating the problem. HE should solve it or run the risk of alienating would could soon be previous allies in the region.
Ah I see, you want American isolationism now, gotcha "
I wouldn’t exactly be crying a river if the USA kept it in their pants a bit more than they currently do, no.
Don’t exactly bring stability to the globe with some of their ‘interventions’ do they. So yeah, let’s give it a go maybe & see how it goes? |
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By (user no longer on site) 7 weeks ago
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"The dastardly cunt is now asking CHINA to send warships to the straits.
Holy fuck you couldn't make this up
Christ, China protecting Chinese ships ! What a rotter !
Trump kicked off, thus creating the problem. HE should solve it or run the risk of alienating would could soon be previous allies in the region.
Ah I see, you want American isolationism now, gotcha
I wouldn’t exactly be crying a river if the USA kept it in their pants a bit more than they currently do, no.
Don’t exactly bring stability to the globe with some of their ‘interventions’ do they. So yeah, let’s give it a go maybe & see how it goes?"
Cool, let them leave Nato, remove all intelligence sharing from Europe, let Putin take Ukraine, and we can rely on Starmers Home Guard. Get your pitchforks ready! |
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Don't forget intelligence sharing is a two way street. They have as much too loose if they go isolationist. However, given some of the suggested intelligence gaffs by them during this current excursion ..... Well? |
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By (user no longer on site) 7 weeks ago
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"Don't forget intelligence sharing is a two way street. They have as much too loose if they go isolationist. However, given some of the suggested intelligence gaffs by them during this current excursion ..... Well?"
Compare the military and intelligence budgets for the US and UK and you can see the two way traffic is hardly equal. And wasn't it our intelligence services who manufactured the 45mins claim that bolstered the invasion of Iraq ?
If there is any intelligence service in the world you want to align with its Israel Who are streets ahead, but Starmer blew that connection by recognising the Hamas Homeland. |
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Trump may rant like a kid throwing a strop but the adults in the room know the importance of the Five eyes to America ..
He will be gone in a cpl of years, America will still be in NATO because foreign policies, influence and arms sales matter far more than the ego of one by then ex president.. |
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By (user no longer on site) 7 weeks ago
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" And wasn't it our intelligence services who manufactured the 45mins claim that bolstered the invasion of Iraq ?
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No, it was Alistair Campbell who inserted that phrase in the dossier, against the wishes of intelligence services. |
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" And wasn't it our intelligence services who manufactured the 45mins claim that bolstered the invasion of Iraq ?
No, it was Alistair Campbell who inserted that phrase in the dossier, against the wishes of intelligence services. "
Nope. |
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" And wasn't it our intelligence services who manufactured the 45mins claim that bolstered the invasion of Iraq ?
No, it was Alistair Campbell who inserted that phrase in the dossier, against the wishes of intelligence services.
Nope."
That’s a very clear ‘Nope’ to hang a hat on a spin doctor with…
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" And wasn't it our intelligence services who manufactured the 45mins claim that bolstered the invasion of Iraq ?
No, it was Alistair Campbell who inserted that phrase in the dossier, against the wishes of intelligence services.
Nope.
That’s a very clear ‘Nope’ to hang a hat on a spin doctor with…
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The Hutton report actually cleared Campbell and blamed MI6 head Richard Dearlove. |
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By (user no longer on site) 7 weeks ago
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" And wasn't it our intelligence services who manufactured the 45mins claim that bolstered the invasion of Iraq ?
No, it was Alistair Campbell who inserted that phrase in the dossier, against the wishes of intelligence services.
Nope.
That’s a very clear ‘Nope’ to hang a hat on a spin doctor with…
The Hutton report actually cleared Campbell and blamed MI6 head Richard Dearlove. "
I’m aware. By a casting vote, correct?
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By *winga2Man 7 weeks ago
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"The dastardly cunt is now asking CHINA to send warships to the straits.
Holy fuck you couldn't make this up
Christ, China protecting Chinese ships ! What a rotter !"
Iran aren't attacking Chinese ships, do keep up 😘 |
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"The dastardly cunt is now asking CHINA to send warships to the straits.
Holy fuck you couldn't make this up
Christ, China protecting Chinese ships ! What a rotter !
Iran aren't attacking Chinese ships, do keep up 😘"
So the Strait is open, great news ! 👏 |
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"The dastardly cunt is now asking CHINA to send warships to the straits.
Holy fuck you couldn't make this up
Christ, China protecting Chinese ships ! What a rotter !
Iran aren't attacking Chinese ships, do keep up 😘
So the Strait is open, great news ! 👏"
India managed to get ships through the strait after talking with Iran... do keep up  |
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"The dastardly cunt is now asking CHINA to send warships to the straits.
Holy fuck you couldn't make this up
Christ, China protecting Chinese ships ! What a rotter !
Iran aren't attacking Chinese ships, do keep up 😘
So the Strait is open, great news ! 👏
India managed to get ships through the strait after talking with Iran... do keep up "
India and China, fantastic news ! |
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"The dastardly cunt is now asking CHINA to send warships to the straits.
Holy fuck you couldn't make this up
Christ, China protecting Chinese ships ! What a rotter !
Iran aren't attacking Chinese ships, do keep up 😘
So the Strait is open, great news ! 👏
India managed to get ships through the strait after talking with Iran... do keep up
India and China, fantastic news !"
Enemies of Iran *checks notes* nope, no India or China there. |
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When you think Trump possibly can't get any worse, he threatens NATO again. It's like he puts diesel in the car after he was repeatedly warned not to, and then threatens the passengers if they don't fix it. |
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By (user no longer on site) 7 weeks ago
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"The dastardly cunt is now asking CHINA to send warships to the straits.
Holy fuck you couldn't make this up
Christ, China protecting Chinese ships ! What a rotter !
Iran aren't attacking Chinese ships, do keep up 😘
So the Strait is open, great news ! 👏
India managed to get ships through the strait after talking with Iran... do keep up
India and China, fantastic news !
Enemies of Iran *checks notes* nope, no India or China there."
As almost all the traffic using the Strait goes to Asian countries not involved in attacking Iran then presumably the scare stories about Iran closing it can be safely ignored. |
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"The dastardly cunt is now asking CHINA to send warships to the straits.
Holy fuck you couldn't make this up
Christ, China protecting Chinese ships ! What a rotter !
Iran aren't attacking Chinese ships, do keep up 😘
So the Strait is open, great news ! 👏
India managed to get ships through the strait after talking with Iran... do keep up
India and China, fantastic news !
Enemies of Iran *checks notes* nope, no India or China there.
As almost all the traffic using the Strait goes to Asian countries not involved in attacking Iran then presumably the scare stories about Iran closing it can be safely ignored. "
“Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi has said that the strategically vital Strait of Hormuz remains operational for international shipping, but vessels linked to the United States and Israel are not permitted to pass through the waterway”
The Iranians declaring it open to most and vessels choosing to actually transit through it given the current situation are two different things. Traffic is definitely substantially down on pre conflict levels. |
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By (user no longer on site) 7 weeks ago
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"The dastardly cunt is now asking CHINA to send warships to the straits.
Holy fuck you couldn't make this up
Christ, China protecting Chinese ships ! What a rotter !
Iran aren't attacking Chinese ships, do keep up 😘
So the Strait is open, great news ! 👏
India managed to get ships through the strait after talking with Iran... do keep up
India and China, fantastic news !
Enemies of Iran *checks notes* nope, no India or China there.
As almost all the traffic using the Strait goes to Asian countries not involved in attacking Iran then presumably the scare stories about Iran closing it can be safely ignored.
“Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi has said that the strategically vital Strait of Hormuz remains operational for international shipping, but vessels linked to the United States and Israel are not permitted to pass through the waterway”
The Iranians declaring it open to most and vessels choosing to actually transit through it given the current situation are two different things. Traffic is definitely substantially down on pre conflict levels."
So Iran is presumably lying and presents a real threat to ships from countries not allied to Israel or the US. Sounds like a major unilatera expansion of this war by Iran which I'm sure the international community will want to respond to. |
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By *winga2Man 7 weeks ago
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"The dastardly cunt is now asking CHINA to send warships to the straits.
Holy fuck you couldn't make this up
Christ, China protecting Chinese ships ! What a rotter !
Iran aren't attacking Chinese ships, do keep up 😘
So the Strait is open, great news ! 👏
India managed to get ships through the strait after talking with Iran... do keep up
India and China, fantastic news !
Enemies of Iran *checks notes* nope, no India or China there.
As almost all the traffic using the Strait goes to Asian countries not involved in attacking Iran then presumably the scare stories about Iran closing it can be safely ignored. "
So what you're saying then is trumpy is talking utter shite and lies and there's absolutely no need for NATO warships. Most of us thought he was a lieing cunt so thanks for confirming 👍 |
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By *atk1TV/TS 7 weeks ago
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"The USA have air superiority, and Iran’s Navy has been destroyed, according to Trump.
So no additional support necessary
Price of oil down today "
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"The USA have air superiority, and Iran’s Navy has been destroyed, according to Trump.
So no additional support necessary
Price of oil down today
If anyone would know the price of tinfoil it most definitely would be you "
..and wind up gramophones! |
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"The USA have air superiority, and Iran’s Navy has been destroyed, according to Trump.
So no additional support necessary
Price of oil down today
If anyone would know the price of tinfoil it most definitely would be you
..and wind up gramophones!"
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Trump is such a one dimensional player. The only tactic he knows is to bully an opponent. When that fails he sulks and then caves in - TACO Trump.
He started the war at the behest of Israel. Let them sort it out.
Despite the war already being won (according to Trump) he can't seem to find a way out. The fallout from this madcap adventure will blight the Gulf and the US for the next 30 years.
We are best way out of it. |
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"The USA have air superiority, and Iran’s Navy has been destroyed, according to Trump.
So no additional support necessary
Price of oil down today
If anyone would know the price of tinfoil it most definitely would be you
..and wind up gramophones!"
Its an age thing.. |
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"NATO is a "defensive alliance".
USA and Israel started an illegal war.
A war that Trump said "had already been won"...
NATO should not get involved!"
Quite agree. For years NATO has told the world (and their enemies) that they are a "Defensive Alliance".
To go on the offense would be hypocritical. They are not an "army" to command in the conventional sense and mop up other's misadventures.
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Although that said, when RAF Cyprus was attacked I did wonder if that was going to trigger Article 5. |
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By *l_xxxMan 7 weeks ago
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"Donald Trump says it would be "very bad for the future of Nato" if allies don't help secure the Strait of Hormuz - a critical waterway for global oil shipping
No disguising or misinterpreting this threat
With the Baltics next in line for Russia what should nato members do next? "
Not the 1st time USA have tried to bully NATO. Gen. Mike Jackson famously defied Gen. Wesley Clark's orders with the statement "I'm not going to start WW3 for you." |
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UK, Canada, France, Germany and Italy issued a joint statement, saying a significant Israeli ground offensive in Lebanon would have "devastating humanitarian consequences"
Two million people in Gaza would agree although they’ve largely been forgotten about now. |
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"UK, Canada, France, Germany and Italy issued a joint statement, saying a significant Israeli ground offensive in Lebanon would have "devastating humanitarian consequences"
Two million people in Gaza would agree although they’ve largely been forgotten about now. "
2 million Palestinians out of their homes
3 million Iranians out of their homes
1 million Lebanese out of their homes
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"UK, Canada, France, Germany and Italy issued a joint statement, saying a significant Israeli ground offensive in Lebanon would have "devastating humanitarian consequences"
Two million people in Gaza would agree although they’ve largely been forgotten about now.
2 million Palestinians out of their homes
3 million Iranians out of their homes
1 million Lebanese out of their homes
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And 4+ million Iraqis. |
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"Not to mention the nearly 5 million people killed directly and indirectly as a result of the post 9/11 wars - source Watson Institute. "
All of this should be the global headlines
USA the largest terrorist on the globe |
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"Not to mention the nearly 5 million people killed directly and indirectly as a result of the post 9/11 wars - source Watson Institute.
All of this should be the global headlines
USA the largest terrorist on the globe "
Yep. Because it's insane. Trump's USA has started another war to prop up Netanyahu, a wanted war criminal awaiting trial for genocide #ffs |
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By *winga2Man 7 weeks ago
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"UK, Canada, France, Germany and Italy issued a joint statement, saying a significant Israeli ground offensive in Lebanon would have "devastating humanitarian consequences"
Two million people in Gaza would agree although they’ve largely been forgotten about now.
2 million Palestinians out of their homes
3 million Iranians out of their homes
1 million Lebanese out of their homes
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Time to invest in rubber dingy manufacturers innit |
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