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By *abio OP Man 6 weeks ago
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Israel have said they targeted 2 journalists in southern Lebanon driving in a car in a military airstrike and they were killed… reasoning being that they worked for “Hezbollah affiliated channels”
Nothing else… no wrongdoing as such, no evidence of militancy
So… journalists… fair game? |
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No, of course journalists are not are not "legitimate Targets" They never have been and never will be.
All rogue states target journalists though, Russia, China, Iran, Stalin(in his day), the Nazis........the list is endless. Israel (as a rogue state) is no different under the war criminal that is Netanyahu. |
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"Israel accused one of the journalists of being a Hezbollah intelligence operative.
Based on their excellent intelligence services I would not bet against that being true."
Their intelligence missed Oct 7th, yes they are up there globally in the list of pretty bloody good in such things but even the best get things wrong occasionally.. |
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By *otMe66Man 6 weeks ago
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"Israel accused one of the journalists of being a Hezbollah intelligence operative.
Based on their excellent intelligence services I would not bet against that being true.
Their intelligence missed Oct 7th, yes they are up there globally in the list of pretty bloody good in such things but even the best get things wrong occasionally.."
The OP stated they were targeted for being journalists, that is not correct according to the Washington Post.
They missed Oct 7th, they are not making those mistakes again in my opinion. |
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"Israel have said they targeted 2 journalists in southern Lebanon driving in a car in a military airstrike and they were killed… reasoning being that they worked for “Hezbollah affiliated channels”
Nothing else… no wrongdoing as such, no evidence of militancy
So… journalists… fair game? "
Who cares??
What is mean is we live in a time when people ( leadership, presidents, supreme leaders, chavs killing old people for fun, crazy businessmen running countries and invading other countries for financial gains...I could go on) can and pretty much anything without consequences, so is anyone going to tell Israel off?
I doubt it, so I'll say again who cares?
With so much fake news who's to say what's real anymore and if they are guilty or not something will be found to justify death's.
I'm not sure about you all but I feel like we are living in the upside down these days  |
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By (user no longer on site) 6 weeks ago
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It's become a common tactic for Hamas and Hezbollah operatives to act as 'journalists'. Why anyone who doesn't support those groups would go along with that fantasy is another question. |
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By (user no longer on site) 6 weeks ago
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"Israel accused one of the journalists of being a Hezbollah intelligence operative.
Based on their excellent intelligence services I would not bet against that being true.
Their intelligence missed Oct 7th, yes they are up there globally in the list of pretty bloody good in such things but even the best get things wrong occasionally..
The OP stated they were targeted for being journalists, that is not correct according to the Washington Post.
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Yes, very misleading spin.🤔 |
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Israel sees itself as fighting for its very existence. The only thing that really matters is if you, or your family/friends are prepared to involve yourselves in their wars. They should fight their war alone given the tactics they use. If in doubt, pay note to recent price rises. |
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A spy can insert themselves in to any role and profession, including protected ones.
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Judging by the actions of the incident, a protected profession was waived in this particular circumstance.
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What remains to be seen is whether this sets a precedent.
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And ultimately, if "protected professions" are removed entirely from not being targeted. |
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Mossad are unequivocally the best intelligence operators and assassins on the globe. Unmatched.
They themselves dressed up as a football team for a hotel assassination. Dubai assignation of Hamas official Mahmoud al-Mabhouh straight out of 007/jason Bourne.
Equally the lavender system sticks two fingers up to collateral damage, just look at Gaza for proof. |
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By *abio OP Man 6 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Israel accused one of the journalists of being a Hezbollah intelligence operative.
Based on their excellent intelligence services I would not bet against that being true.
Their intelligence missed Oct 7th, yes they are up there globally in the list of pretty bloody good in such things but even the best get things wrong occasionally..
The OP stated they were targeted for being journalists, that is not correct according to the Washington Post.
Yes, very misleading spin.🤔"
Actually the Israeli military spokesperson and the IDF never said that in the original statement they released the footage of the strike(s)
3 journalists in the car…. Strike happens… 1 journalist somehow managed to survive that strike… 1 minute later… second strike on that individual
So at best if one was a target (but see below) the other 2 were collateral damage…
Israel always uses the “they were combatants” excuse…. So far they have killed 200 journalists in the Gaza conflict using the same excuse….. |
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All Israel needs to justify indiscriminate murder is merely an accusation, even if said accusation is levied against people they've already killed e.g. Rafah Paramedic Massacre 2025, first they claimed that the ambulance lights were off which is disproven via mobile phone footage.
Then they changed their story, accusing 2 or 3 people of being Hamas...
Israel are still pending trial for GENOCIDE #ffs |
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Imagine the outcry if it was three Israeli journalists killed. Netanyahu would be bombing the shit out of anyone even slightly suspected. World wide coverage, poor old victims, it's always us etc etc. |
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"Imagine the outcry if it was three Israeli journalists killed. Netanyahu would be bombing the shit out of anyone even slightly suspected. World wide coverage, poor old victims, it's always us etc etc."
1200 killed 7 October 2023
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72,000 killed in Gaza
250,000+ casualties in Gaza
60% of everything destroyed in Gaza
2 million homeless in Gaza
3 million displaced in Iran
1 million displaced in Lebanon.
1500 civilians killed in Iran
School and pupils blown up in Tehran
Iranian military, navy, airforce destroyed.
Dozens of Hezbollah with bollocks blown off with exploding mobile phones
20% global energy price rises
Nearly 1% (20%) extra on uk mortgages. |
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By *otMe66Man 6 weeks ago
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"Israel accused one of the journalists of being a Hezbollah intelligence operative.
Based on their excellent intelligence services I would not bet against that being true.
Their intelligence missed Oct 7th, yes they are up there globally in the list of pretty bloody good in such things but even the best get things wrong occasionally..
The OP stated they were targeted for being journalists, that is not correct according to the Washington Post.
Yes, very misleading spin.🤔
Actually the Israeli military spokesperson and the IDF never said that in the original statement they released the footage of the strike(s)
3 journalists in the car…. Strike happens… 1 journalist somehow managed to survive that strike… 1 minute later… second strike on that individual
So at best if one was a target (but see below) the other 2 were collateral damage…
Israel always uses the “they were combatants” excuse…. So far they have killed 200 journalists in the Gaza conflict using the same excuse….."
I think you know that 200 journalists in Gaza were people recruited by the worlds media inside Gaza and a large proportion of those people were Hamas operatives, or being controlled by Hamas, to provide the narrative Hamas wanted sending back.
The facts are important, I wont say that innocents have not been killed, but we must acknowledge the that not all killed have been innocents. |
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By (user no longer on site) 6 weeks ago
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"So its OK to kill them just in case?"
No, but when a terrorist organisation deliberately embeds operatives as journalists, or establishes military centres in hospitals or schools, then I feel it's reasonable to put the legal and moral responsibility for any conflict casualties on them. |
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So its OK to kill them then ... because they might be potential but not proven badguys and its just tough titties for anyone who happens to be innocent but unfortunately in the vicinity.
You fancy a job with the IDF press corps? |
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"So its OK to kill them then ... because they might be potential but not proven badguys and its just tough titties for anyone who happens to be innocent but unfortunately in the vicinity.
You fancy a job with the IDF press corps?"
Probably too old for that lark! |
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By *abio OP Man 6 weeks ago
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"So its OK to kill them just in case?
No, but when a terrorist organisation deliberately embeds operatives as journalists, or establishes military centres in hospitals or schools, then I feel it's reasonable to put the legal and moral responsibility for any conflict casualties on them."
Speaking of which… Israel in the last 24 hrs have also killed 9 paramedics in southern Lebanon again in various different airstrikes
So going after a clearly marked press car, and also going after ambulances
And yet you and others are trying to defend the indefensible
The Lebanese government are keeping a record as they say they will go to the ICC and request war crime charges against Israel |
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"So its OK to kill them just in case?
No, but when a terrorist organisation deliberately embeds operatives as journalists, or establishes military centres in hospitals or schools, then I feel it's reasonable to put the legal and moral responsibility for any conflict casualties on them.
Speaking of which… Israel in the last 24 hrs have also killed 9 paramedics in southern Lebanon again in various different airstrikes
So going after a clearly marked press car, and also going after ambulances
And yet you and others are trying to defend the indefensible
The Lebanese government are keeping a record as they say they will go to the ICC and request war crime charges against Israel "
there wasting there time have u not worked it out yet them rules dont apply to the west or its allies, |
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"Israel have said they targeted 2 journalists in southern Lebanon driving in a car in a military airstrike and they were killed… reasoning being that they worked for “Hezbollah affiliated channels”
Nothing else… no wrongdoing as such, no evidence of militancy
So… journalists… fair game? "
Would you please share the source for the government saying that the only reason that they were killed was because they worked for news channels that they didn't like? |
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"So its OK to kill them just in case?
No, but when a terrorist organisation deliberately embeds operatives as journalists, or establishes military centres in hospitals or schools, then I feel it's reasonable to put the legal and moral responsibility for any conflict casualties on them.
Speaking of which… Israel in the last 24 hrs have also killed 9 paramedics in southern Lebanon again in various different airstrikes
So going after a clearly marked press car, and also going after ambulances
And yet you and others are trying to defend the indefensible
The Lebanese government are keeping a record as they say they will go to the ICC and request war crime charges against Israel "
2 journalists
9 paramedics
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Perspective
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72,000 Gaza dead
250,000 Gaza casualties
6,000,000,000 displaced in Gaza, Iran, Lebanon |
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If they are genuine journalists then they should be spared, if they are propaganda journalists then that's a different situation.
I find it strange how Pro Palestinian and Pro Hamas and Lebanese and Hezbollah supporters never acknowledge Oct 7th when they're on the megaphones and claim to be peace abiding. It's a bit like a murderer committing a crime and blaming the victim and shouting from the roof tops about it, wierd. |
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"If they are genuine journalists then they should be spared, if they are propaganda journalists then that's a different situation.
I find it strange how Pro Palestinian and Pro Hamas and Lebanese and Hezbollah supporters never acknowledge Oct 7th when they're on the megaphones and claim to be peace abiding. It's a bit like a murderer committing a crime and blaming the victim and shouting from the roof tops about it, wierd."
Agreed
But now we’ve got to a place where 1200 murders have been revenged with 72,000 more and six million displaced in three countries.
They will all be retaliating to the end of time. |
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"If they are genuine journalists then they should be spared, if they are propaganda journalists then that's a different situation.
I find it strange how Pro Palestinian and Pro Hamas and Lebanese and Hezbollah supporters never acknowledge Oct 7th when they're on the megaphones and claim to be peace abiding. It's a bit like a murderer committing a crime and blaming the victim and shouting from the roof tops about it, wierd."
Why does nothing prior to Oct 7th 2023 justify Oct 7th 2023...
But everything that's happened since Oct 7th 2023 is justified because of Oct 7th 2023? |
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By *abio OP Man 5 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Israel have said they targeted 2 journalists in southern Lebanon driving in a car in a military airstrike and they were killed… reasoning being that they worked for “Hezbollah affiliated channels”
Nothing else… no wrongdoing as such, no evidence of militancy
So… journalists… fair game?
Would you please share the source for the government saying that the only reason that they were killed was because they worked for news channels that they didn't like?"
Actually the excuse the IDF spokesperson used was even more opaque than that… he said that one of the journalists had been reporting on Israeli troop positions whilst in southern Lebanon… hence passing on information to Hezbollah… hence legitimate military target! |
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By *otMe66Man 5 weeks ago
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"Israel have said they targeted 2 journalists in southern Lebanon driving in a car in a military airstrike and they were killed… reasoning being that they worked for “Hezbollah affiliated channels”
Nothing else… no wrongdoing as such, no evidence of militancy
So… journalists… fair game?
Would you please share the source for the government saying that the only reason that they were killed was because they worked for news channels that they didn't like?
Actually the excuse the IDF spokesperson used was even more opaque than that… he said that one of the journalists had been reporting on Israeli troop positions whilst in southern Lebanon… hence passing on information to Hezbollah… hence legitimate military target! "
That reads, they targeted a Hezbollah operative who was endangering the lives of Israeli soldiers.
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"If they are genuine journalists then they should be spared, if they are propaganda journalists then that's a different situation.
I find it strange how Pro Palestinian and Pro Hamas and Lebanese and Hezbollah supporters never acknowledge Oct 7th when they're on the megaphones and claim to be peace abiding. It's a bit like a murderer committing a crime and blaming the victim and shouting from the roof tops about it, wierd.
Why does nothing prior to Oct 7th 2023 justify Oct 7th 2023...
But everything that's happened since Oct 7th 2023 is justified because of Oct 7th 2023?"
It goes back a few thousand year. Year dot and it will end with the book of Revelation transpires.
The Dome of the the rock is a pivotal area that has to be replaced by the New Temple of Solomon until that happens peace is a long way off, anyone thinking politicans can resolve it is dreaming. |
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By (user no longer on site) 5 weeks ago
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"So its OK to kill them just in case?
No, but when a terrorist organisation deliberately embeds operatives as journalists, or establishes military centres in hospitals or schools, then I feel it's reasonable to put the legal and moral responsibility for any conflict casualties on them.
Speaking of which… Israel in the last 24 hrs have also killed 9 paramedics in southern Lebanon again in various different airstrikes
So going after a clearly marked press car, and also going after ambulances
And yet you and others are trying to defend the indefensible
The Lebanese government are keeping a record as they say they will go to the ICC and request war crime charges against Israel "
I probably wouldn't try and take the moral high ground when you had nothing to say about Iran killing thousands of its own people, including I'm sure many journalists and medics, and then claimed the independently verified figure of 43000 dead was fake. Some may even say that was indefensible. |
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"Israel have said they targeted 2 journalists in southern Lebanon driving in a car in a military airstrike and they were killed… reasoning being that they worked for “Hezbollah affiliated channels”
Nothing else… no wrongdoing as such, no evidence of militancy
So… journalists… fair game?
Would you please share the source for the government saying that the only reason that they were killed was because they worked for news channels that they didn't like?
Actually the excuse the IDF spokesperson used was even more opaque than that… he said that one of the journalists had been reporting on Israeli troop positions whilst in southern Lebanon… hence passing on information to Hezbollah… hence legitimate military target! "
What you describe is hostile reconnaissance by a member or supporter of a hostile group.
That sounds like a very legitimate reason to target said journalist but, without the actual phrasing, it's hard to tell. |
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"Mossad are unequivocally the best intelligence operators and assassins on the globe. Unmatched."
The French DGSE are probably better. Do remember things shared in media are done so to shape your perception. |
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By *abio OP Man 5 weeks ago
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"Israel have said they targeted 2 journalists in southern Lebanon driving in a car in a military airstrike and they were killed… reasoning being that they worked for “Hezbollah affiliated channels”
Nothing else… no wrongdoing as such, no evidence of militancy
So… journalists… fair game?
Would you please share the source for the government saying that the only reason that they were killed was because they worked for news channels that they didn't like?
Actually the excuse the IDF spokesperson used was even more opaque than that… he said that one of the journalists had been reporting on Israeli troop positions whilst in southern Lebanon… hence passing on information to Hezbollah… hence legitimate military target!
What you describe is hostile reconnaissance by a member or supporter of a hostile group.
That sounds like a very legitimate reason to target said journalist but, without the actual phrasing, it's hard to tell."
The tv journalist , wearing a press jacket, reporting on Israeli troops for Lebanese TV … and you consider that to be legitimate targeting …ok
So all the years these journalists had been reporting and apparently very well respected
That’s a lot of excuses…
I mean.. that must be okay… it’s not like the IDF have been accused of assaulting western CNN journalists reporting on settler violence in the last 48hrs…
Oh…. Shit!!!!! |
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There's something sick about a person trying to justify an assassination regardless of which side.
War has become like a computer game, killing has become too easy to do and too easily accepted.
I don't like my neighbour, he lets his cat shit in my garden dispite several stern warnings and I believe he is trying to buy a dog from an illegal puppy farm to bark all night after his last one died of neglect.
Can I ask my friend to shoot the cunt ?
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The tv journalist,
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Irrelevant.
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wearing a press jacket,
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Irrelevant.
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reporting on Israeli troops for Lebanese TV …
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You did not make it very clear - is he specifically attempting to feed intel to Hezbollah, or just randomly reporting like any other news agency? If you shared the quote as requested, there would be less scope for misunderstanding.
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and you consider that to be legitimate targeting …ok
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Perhaps we're taking at cross purposes. Was this guy intending to (and actually) helping Hezbollah or not?
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So all the years these journalists had been reporting and apparently very well respected
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Huh? Unsure of what you're saying.
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That’s a lot of excuses…
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What are?
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I mean.. that must be okay… it’s not like the IDF have been accused of assaulting western CNN journalists reporting on settler violence in the last 48hrs…
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If you say so.
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Oh…. Shit!!!!! "
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"Thank you the Fabswingers IDF spokesperson."
The question asked was "Are journalists legitimate military targets?".
The answer is that being a journalist is not inoculation to bring a target if one is legitimately hostile.
It would seem that you've run out of any useful observations, and, in a final fit of intellectual impotence, resorted to a damp-squib ad hominem.
Good for you  |
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By *abio OP Man 5 weeks ago
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After killing Ali Shuaib, the IDF accused him of being part of Hezbollah’s Radwan forces, releasing a photo of the Al Manar reporter in military garb.
“Unfortunately there isn’t really a picture of it, it was photoshopped,” the IDF told Fox News about the source of the photo.
You can’t make this shit up!!!! |
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By *winga2Man 5 weeks ago
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"After killing Ali Shuaib, the IDF accused him of being part of Hezbollah’s Radwan forces, releasing a photo of the Al Manar reporter in military garb.
“Unfortunately there isn’t really a picture of it, it was photoshopped,” the IDF told Fox News about the source of the photo.
You can’t make this shit up!!!!"
Sorry you're wrong, they do make it up ..
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"After killing Ali Shuaib, the IDF accused him of being part of Hezbollah’s Radwan forces, releasing a photo of the Al Manar reporter in military garb.
“Unfortunately there isn’t really a picture of it, it was photoshopped,” the IDF told Fox News about the source of the photo.
You can’t make this shit up!!!!"
Did you actually see the piece on Fox, or are you quoting only a secondary source? The context here is important. Your post echoes a narrative from secondary sources that suggest Israel released photos that purported to show actual footage of Ali Shuaib. What was shown was an *obviously* photoshopped photo of him in a press flak jacket that cut the photo across at an angle and had a photoshopped uniform (in the shadowy half) on him to illustrate his dual role. There was no attempt to deceive the viewer into thinking that they were looking at an actual photo of him in uniform, rather there was an attempt to use visuals to convey a point. You can object to this - absolutely. It's probably a bad idea and the media storm on anti-Israel channels (note that it's not picked up by any mainstream channels, because they understand the context) is one reason why.
But out of context, you make it sound much more dishonest. |
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Seem to have been a lot of Hezbollah flags at the funeral (including draped on the coffins), and plenty of the usual “Death to America” ranting.
I guess this isn’t much different from the average Saturday in London. |
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"Seem to have been a lot of Hezbollah flags at the funeral (including draped on the coffins), and plenty of the usual “Death to America” ranting.
I guess this isn’t much different from the average Saturday in London."
He was a mostly peaceful terrorist. |
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By *abio OP Man 5 weeks ago
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"After killing Ali Shuaib, the IDF accused him of being part of Hezbollah’s Radwan forces, releasing a photo of the Al Manar reporter in military garb.
“Unfortunately there isn’t really a picture of it, it was photoshopped,” the IDF told Fox News about the source of the photo.
You can’t make this shit up!!!!
Did you actually see the piece on Fox, or are you quoting only a secondary source? The context here is important. Your post echoes a narrative from secondary sources that suggest Israel released photos that purported to show actual footage of Ali Shuaib. What was shown was an *obviously* photoshopped photo of him in a press flak jacket that cut the photo across at an angle and had a photoshopped uniform (in the shadowy half) on him to illustrate his dual role. There was no attempt to deceive the viewer into thinking that they were looking at an actual photo of him in uniform, rather there was an attempt to use visuals to convey a point. You can object to this - absolutely. It's probably a bad idea and the media storm on anti-Israel channels (note that it's not picked up by any mainstream channels, because they understand the context) is one reason why.
But out of context, you make it sound much more dishonest."
All the words and The quotes are all from the actual Fox News broadcast itself…. |
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"Seem to have been a lot of Hezbollah flags at the funeral (including draped on the coffins), and plenty of the usual “Death to America” ranting.
I guess this isn’t much different from the average Saturday in London."
What do you expect polite clapping or respectful silence? Unfortunately given the amount of violence directed at Lebanon isn't it likely that people might gravitate to the only thing resembling a resistance. When Trump gets bored and retires from the region the legacy of Israels action will haunt them for decades more. |
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