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By (user no longer on site) OP 4 weeks ago
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In another blow to the wicked Iranian Regime and its supporters, the US officer has been safely rescued from Iran in a brilliant and daring operation.
Some great news for Easter ! 👏🫡
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By *abioMan 4 weeks ago
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"In another blow to the wicked Iranian Regime and its supporters, the US officer has been safely rescued from Iran in a brilliant and daring operation.
Some great news for Easter ! 👏🫡
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I am glad they rescued the airman… but why is it a blow to the Iranian regime? The fact they are shooting down aircraft (4 in the last 3 days) is all the propaganda they really need! |
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"In another blow to the wicked Iranian Regime and its supporters, the US officer has been safely rescued from Iran in a brilliant and daring operation.
Some great news for Easter ! 👏🫡
I am glad they rescued the airman… but why is it a blow to the Iranian regime? The fact they are shooting down aircraft (4 in the last 3 days) is all the propaganda they really need!"
but how can the iranians have shot them down? the iranian air defences have been completely 100% destroyed for the last four or five weeks now  |
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Its one less life lost but others were lost, its a massively huge relief for trump and hegseth who have overestimated the damage they've done to Iran's air defences almost as much as their abilities to hit other countries..
They simply couldn't afford to have the officer sat in front of an Iranian screen.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 4 weeks ago
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"In another blow to the wicked Iranian Regime and its supporters, the US officer has been safely rescued from Iran in a brilliant and daring operation.
Some great news for Easter ! 👏🫡
I am glad they rescued the airman… but why is it a blow to the Iranian regime? The fact they are shooting down aircraft (4 in the last 3 days) is all the propaganda they really need!"
I don't think the Iranian regime need any help producing propaganda- they have blocked all Internet in the country so they tell their poor people whatever they like. What is more shocking that people in the West believe them. |
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"In another blow to the wicked Iranian Regime and its supporters, the US officer has been safely rescued from Iran in a brilliant and daring operation.
Some great news for Easter ! 👏🫡
I am glad they rescued the airman… but why is it a blow to the Iranian regime? The fact they are shooting down aircraft (4 in the last 3 days) is all the propaganda they really need!
I don't think the Iranian regime need any help producing propaganda- they have blocked all Internet in the country so they tell their poor people whatever they like. What is more shocking that people in the West believe them."
Some people can see through the propaganda that all sides put out plus can see when the bs claimed by some is simply not evidenced by the obvious and clear realities.. |
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By *otMe66Man 4 weeks ago
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"In another blow to the wicked Iranian Regime and its supporters, the US officer has been safely rescued from Iran in a brilliant and daring operation.
Some great news for Easter ! 👏🫡
I am glad they rescued the airman… but why is it a blow to the Iranian regime? The fact they are shooting down aircraft (4 in the last 3 days) is all the propaganda they really need!
I don't think the Iranian regime need any help producing propaganda- they have blocked all Internet in the country so they tell their poor people whatever they like. What is more shocking that people in the West believe them."
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, as never sounded more apt than during this conflict. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 4 weeks ago
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"In another blow to the wicked Iranian Regime and its supporters, the US officer has been safely rescued from Iran in a brilliant and daring operation.
Some great news for Easter ! 👏🫡
I am glad they rescued the airman… but why is it a blow to the Iranian regime? The fact they are shooting down aircraft (4 in the last 3 days) is all the propaganda they really need!
I don't think the Iranian regime need any help producing propaganda- they have blocked all Internet in the country so they tell their poor people whatever they like. What is more shocking that people in the West believe them.
Some people can see through the propaganda that all sides put out plus can see when the bs claimed by some is simply not evidenced by the obvious and clear realities.."
But you're not comparing like for like. The US and Israel are subject to very open media scrutiny, legacy and social media, while Iran is completely inaccessible to neutral sources. Where is the Iranian leader for example, is anyone even curious ? Imagine if Trump disappeared for four weeks, the scenes on here. 🤣🤣 |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 4 weeks ago
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"In another blow to the wicked Iranian Regime and its supporters, the US officer has been safely rescued from Iran in a brilliant and daring operation.
Some great news for Easter ! 👏🫡
I am glad they rescued the airman… but why is it a blow to the Iranian regime? The fact they are shooting down aircraft (4 in the last 3 days) is all the propaganda they really need!
I don't think the Iranian regime need any help producing propaganda- they have blocked all Internet in the country so they tell their poor people whatever they like. What is more shocking that people in the West believe them.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, as never sounded more apt than during this conflict."
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"In another blow to the wicked Iranian Regime and its supporters, the US officer has been safely rescued from Iran in a brilliant and daring operation.
Some great news for Easter ! 👏🫡
I am glad they rescued the airman… but why is it a blow to the Iranian regime? The fact they are shooting down aircraft (4 in the last 3 days) is all the propaganda they really need!
I don't think the Iranian regime need any help producing propaganda- they have blocked all Internet in the country so they tell their poor people whatever they like. What is more shocking that people in the West believe them.
Some people can see through the propaganda that all sides put out plus can see when the bs claimed by some is simply not evidenced by the obvious and clear realities..
But you're not comparing like for like. The US and Israel are subject to very open media scrutiny, legacy and social media, while Iran is completely inaccessible to neutral sources. Where is the Iranian leader for example, is anyone even curious ? Imagine if Trump disappeared for four weeks, the scenes on here. 🤣🤣"
It's true to say a like for like comparison is not possible but I'm not saying that ..
My point is theres hubris and the type of rhetoric from a hollywood b movie in abundance, claims that are evidently false and consequently shown to be being made by trump and hegseth..
Air dominance..
If that's the word coming down the chain from the top and I sincerely hope that the professionals in the Pentagon (those that haven't been chopped by the same Sec of State for War that is) are still applying the same rigorous approach as they should do and ignoring such bs..
When myself and others say the Iranians are playing trump that's not an indicator of allegiance as some like to bizarrely suggest its the plain and clear daily facts that trumps mouth has given the Iranian regime and easy and open goal with which to make himself look stupid and that he's talking rubbish..
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When myself and others say the Iranians are playing trump that's not an indicator of allegiance as some like to bizarrely suggest its the plain and clear daily facts that trumps mouth has given the Iranian regime and easy and open goal with which to make himself look stupid and that he's talking rubbish..
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I've a strong feeling that 3 US generals may have pointed that and other truths out to Mango man |
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"I’m sure this will be very disappointing news to many of the pro-Iran sympathisers on this forum who were probably dying to see a US airman paraded through Iranian streets by some crazed mob."
No one said anything similar to that before they were rescued, you appear to be in a cesspit of your assumptions..
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One of the Generals recently sacked was the Head of Chaplency services for the Army. Apparently he did not agree with Hegseths view that this was a Holy War and pushed back on some of his more barking rhetoric. Don't agree or offer a different view point - you're out!
Also demented Donnie seems to be praising God an awful lot recently in his Truth Social rants. Do you think he is trying to get on his/her good side? He will be really pissed off if she does turn out to be female! |
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"One of the Generals recently sacked was the Head of Chaplency services for the Army. Apparently he did not agree with Hegseths view that this was a Holy War and pushed back on some of his more barking rhetoric. Don't agree or offer a different view point - you're out!
Also demented Donnie seems to be praising God an awful lot recently in his Truth Social rants. Do you think he is trying to get on his/her good side? He will be really pissed off if she does turn out to be female!"
His latest ranting looks like he's not coping well with the stress caused by his own actions..
'Praise be to Allah' is rather a strange thing to say .. |
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"In another blow to the wicked Iranian Regime and its supporters, the US officer has been safely rescued from Iran in a brilliant and daring operation.
Some great news for Easter ! 👏🫡
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Great news.
It must have been a terrible time for his family especially the thought of him being captured.
Great, happy ending.
Hope his injuries aren't too serious.
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I am very glad that all the aircrew were rescued safely but not entirely sure how the downing of multiple ultra high tech aircraft by a country with apparently no viable military or air defence systems can be seen as blow to them. |
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"Must have been terrible for the families who had their kids blown apart in that school,by these brave pilots"
Add another 72,000 in Gaza killed with USA supplied ordnance. Two thirds women and children. 39,000 children with one parent lost, and 17,000 completely orphaned |
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"I am very glad that all the aircrew were rescued safely but not entirely sure how the downing of multiple ultra high tech aircraft by a country with apparently no viable military or air defence systems can be seen as blow to them. "
I’m not in support of this war in any way, but the rescue mission involving hundreds of special op soldiers must have been complex with high risk of failure of the airman being killed before they reached him. |
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"Trump says "Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one" in Iran if the key shipping lane is not reopened
Can’t be much else left to bomb "
We have bridge club on a wednesday |
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Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one, in Iran. There will be nothing like it!!! Open the Fuckin’ Strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah. President DONALD J. TRUMP
Never in my lifetime have I heard a president / statesman use this type of language |
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"Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one, in Iran. There will be nothing like it!!! Open the Fuckin’ Strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah. President DONALD J. TRUMP
Never in my lifetime have I heard a president / statesman use this type of language "
And yet nobody seems to speak out against him. He appears to be more crazed and dangerous with each passing day? Watch out Greenland. And please don't confuse it for Greenwich. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 4 weeks ago
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"I am very glad that all the aircrew were rescued safely but not entirely sure how the downing of multiple ultra high tech aircraft by a country with apparently no viable military or air defence systems can be seen as blow to them. "
I believe the two planes downed on Friday were the first losses over Iran during the 5 week conflict involving hundreds of flights. I also believe the craft are making more high risk flights while the Iranians are being more focused with their greatly limited capacity. |
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"Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one, in Iran. There will be nothing like it!!! Open the Fuckin’ Strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah. President DONALD J. TRUMP
Never in my lifetime have I heard a president / statesman use this type of language
And yet nobody seems to speak out against him. He appears to be more crazed and dangerous with each passing day? Watch out Greenland. And please don't confuse it for Greenwich. "
Donnies gone completely tonto! |
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"I am very glad that all the aircrew were rescued safely but not entirely sure how the downing of multiple ultra high tech aircraft by a country with apparently no viable military or air defence systems can be seen as blow to them.
I believe the two planes downed on Friday were the first losses over Iran during the 5 week conflict involving hundreds of flights. I also believe the craft are making more high risk flights while the Iranians are being more focused with their greatly limited capacity."
And the AWAC destroyed on the ground |
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I'm curious to learn how the US were able to rescue the downed pilot under the noses of Iranian forces without detection. I would have thought that a helicopter mission would have been easily detected.
Has Iran, in fact, become neutralised or was the rescue a complete fluke or else fiction? |
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By *otMe66Man 4 weeks ago
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"I'm curious to learn how the US were able to rescue the downed pilot under the noses of Iranian forces without detection. I would have thought that a helicopter mission would have been easily detected.
Has Iran, in fact, become neutralised or was the rescue a complete fluke or else fiction?"
From what I have read, whenever there are offensives of this manner, fighter jets over hostile territory they have squads of special forces trained in search and rescue. The pilot and the weapons specialist onboard the fighter jet are also trained to evade capture and have numerous tech to help locate them. it is basically a race to see who can get there first. |
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By *abioMan 4 weeks ago
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"I am very glad that all the aircrew were rescued safely but not entirely sure how the downing of multiple ultra high tech aircraft by a country with apparently no viable military or air defence systems can be seen as blow to them.
I believe the two planes downed on Friday were the first losses over Iran during the 5 week conflict involving hundreds of flights. I also believe the craft are making more high risk flights while the Iranians are being more focused with their greatly limited capacity.
And the AWAC destroyed on the ground "
And the 2 C-130’s apparently lost in this rescue mission… for the US to say they set them to “self destruct” as they would not take off on return when they had landed…
2 with the exact same issue seems awfully convenient…. Hmmmm |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 4 weeks ago
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"I'm curious to learn how the US were able to rescue the downed pilot under the noses of Iranian forces without detection. I would have thought that a helicopter mission would have been easily detected.
Has Iran, in fact, become neutralised or was the rescue a complete fluke or else fiction?"
It seems Iran's Air force has been completely destroyed but ground level anti aircraft weapons are much harder to wipe out totally. It's probably accurate to think Iran has lost between 70-90% of its capacity. |
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By *otMe66Man 4 weeks ago
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"I am very glad that all the aircrew were rescued safely but not entirely sure how the downing of multiple ultra high tech aircraft by a country with apparently no viable military or air defence systems can be seen as blow to them.
I believe the two planes downed on Friday were the first losses over Iran during the 5 week conflict involving hundreds of flights. I also believe the craft are making more high risk flights while the Iranians are being more focused with their greatly limited capacity.
And the AWAC destroyed on the ground
And the 2 C-130’s apparently lost in this rescue mission… for the US to say they set them to “self destruct” as they would not take off on return when they had landed…
2 with the exact same issue seems awfully convenient…. Hmmmm"
Who said they set them to self destruct? They usually destroy them in situ. I thought this was a standard way of dealing with kit being left behind. |
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By *otMe66Man 4 weeks ago
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"I'm curious to learn how the US were able to rescue the downed pilot under the noses of Iranian forces without detection. I would have thought that a helicopter mission would have been easily detected.
Has Iran, in fact, become neutralised or was the rescue a complete fluke or else fiction?
It seems Iran's Air force has been completely destroyed but ground level anti aircraft weapons are much harder to wipe out totally. It's probably accurate to think Iran has lost between 70-90% of its capacity."
A rational head would assume this  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 4 weeks ago
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"I am very glad that all the aircrew were rescued safely but not entirely sure how the downing of multiple ultra high tech aircraft by a country with apparently no viable military or air defence systems can be seen as blow to them.
I believe the two planes downed on Friday were the first losses over Iran during the 5 week conflict involving hundreds of flights. I also believe the craft are making more high risk flights while the Iranians are being more focused with their greatly limited capacity.
And the AWAC destroyed on the ground
And the 2 C-130’s apparently lost in this rescue mission… for the US to say they set them to “self destruct” as they would not take off on return when they had landed…
2 with the exact same issue seems awfully convenient…. Hmmmm"
That comes awfully close to promoting Iranian propaganda. |
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"Well thank goodness he was rescued, otherwise he would have been no hero i like my heroes not to have been captured."
That reminds me of something similar someone once said but I can't for the life of me think who? |
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"I am very glad that all the aircrew were rescued safely but not entirely sure how the downing of multiple ultra high tech aircraft by a country with apparently no viable military or air defence systems can be seen as blow to them.
I believe the two planes downed on Friday were the first losses over Iran during the 5 week conflict involving hundreds of flights. I also believe the craft are making more high risk flights while the Iranians are being more focused with their greatly limited capacity.
And the AWAC destroyed on the ground
And the 2 C-130’s apparently lost in this rescue mission… for the US to say they set them to “self destruct” as they would not take off on return when they had landed…
2 with the exact same issue seems awfully convenient…. Hmmmm"
It is standard protocols in such a situation.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 4 weeks ago
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"Think of the opprtunity for creating Iran war films to edify the masses at Christmas time in years to come.
Like 'The Great Rescue Mission'..."
The Iranian Job  |
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"Think of the opprtunity for creating Iran war films to edify the masses at Christmas time in years to come.
Like 'The Great Rescue Mission'..."
Rock (Around) The Kasbah |
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"I am very glad that all the aircrew were rescued safely but not entirely sure how the downing of multiple ultra high tech aircraft by a country with apparently no viable military or air defence systems can be seen as blow to them.
I believe the two planes downed on Friday were the first losses over Iran during the 5 week conflict involving hundreds of flights. I also believe the craft are making more high risk flights while the Iranians are being more focused with their greatly limited capacity.
And the AWAC destroyed on the ground
And the 2 C-130’s apparently lost in this rescue mission… for the US to say they set them to “self destruct” as they would not take off on return when they had landed…
2 with the exact same issue seems awfully convenient…. Hmmmm
It is standard protocols in such a situation.."
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"Well thank goodness he was rescued, otherwise he would have been no hero i like my heroes not to have been captured.
That reminds me of something similar someone once said but I can't for the life of me think who?"
I was hoping someone could tell me where I had heard that quote from as well. It was obviously the thoughts of some great war hero |
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"Well thank goodness he was rescued, otherwise he would have been no hero i like my heroes not to have been captured.
That reminds me of something similar someone once said but I can't for the life of me think who?
I was hoping someone could tell me where I had heard that quote from as well. It was obviously the thoughts of some great war hero "
More than likely someone of that stature, a man who when the call came stepped forward chest pushed out to serve his country..
The land that one day he might make great..again..
Certainly not brave Sir Robin that's for sure.. |
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"Think of the opprtunity for creating Iran war films to edify the masses at Christmas time in years to come.
Like 'The Great Rescue Mission'...
The Iranian Job "
You're only supposed to blow the bloody heads off |
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"Think of the opprtunity for creating Iran war films to edify the masses at Christmas time in years to come.
Like 'The Great Rescue Mission'...
The Iranian Job
You're only supposed to blow the bloody heads off "
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By *winga2Man 4 weeks ago
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"Well according to Trump.
It's was the best most greatest daring rescue in the history of the US military. "
Will Melania make a documentary for Amazon ?
It would probably be more popular than her last one 😂🤣 |
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A daring and expertly executed rescue of two men that should never have been there
I remember a tweet by DJT around 2019 about ending the endless wars, putting America first and avoiding expensive wars. I think it was one of his election pledges. I guess he needed the distraction and there's no profit in peace. |
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By *oufouCouple 4 weeks ago
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Would thoroughly recommend ‘American Coup’ (2010) which is currently on Netflix. It gives some valuable context for the current situation and was made years before the propaganda was needed. |
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By *abioMan 4 weeks ago
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"Well according to Trump.
It's was the best most greatest daring rescue in the history of the US military. "
It may well be… but I bet the military will want it classified so the world doesn’t know and they can use it again if they have to!
So the question is how much will mango inadvertently spill as you know he likes to brag…. |
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By (user no longer on site) 4 weeks ago
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"In another blow to the wicked Iranian Regime and its supporters, the US officer has been safely rescued from Iran in a brilliant and daring operation.
Some great news for Easter ! 👏🫡
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For Trump supporters like you maybe. US pervert president is the evil I see. His Epstein content so far is pure evil.
Good to see an airman safe, but an illegal war and aggression is not to be celebrated. You are on the wrong side of everything. |
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"I was over the moon to hear they got the second person out safely.
The bravery of those taking part in that mission is something else."
My thoughts are somewhat different.
I would feel more overjoyed if a few or, even better, the majority of, US personnel refused to obey their obviously megalomaniacal leader.
Maybe some heroes could rescue the USA from him? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 4 weeks ago
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"In another blow to the wicked Iranian Regime and its supporters, the US officer has been safely rescued from Iran in a brilliant and daring operation.
Some great news for Easter ! 👏🫡
For Trump supporters like you maybe. US pervert president is the evil I see. His Epstein content so far is pure evil.
Good to see an airman safe, but an illegal war and aggression is not to be celebrated. You are on the wrong side of everything. "
Happy Easter 🐣 |
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F15 shot down by small arms fire, two C130’s loaded with state of art kit lost in botched landing. $250M
160 school kids and teachers blown up by duff intelligence/ target mis calculation.
Increased global energy costs, insurance, shipping costs, fuel logistics, interest swap rates, mortgage costs (uk 92bps average reprice) to mention just a few.
Iranian civilian energy infastructure to be targeted next, retaliation likely on neighbouring countries desalination plants.
Middle east tourism industry down £50bn.
Usa providing $20 billion maritime insurance facility for tankers in the Gulf, amidst repricing of cargo vessel insurance.
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"F15 shot down by small arms fire, two C130’s loaded with state of art kit lost in botched landing. $250M
160 school kids and teachers blown up by duff intelligence/ target mis calculation.
Increased global energy costs, insurance, shipping costs, fuel logistics, interest swap rates, mortgage costs (uk 92bps average reprice) to mention just a few.
Iranian civilian energy infastructure to be targeted next, retaliation likely on neighbouring countries desalination plants.
Middle east tourism industry down £50bn.
Usa providing $20 billion maritime insurance facility for tankers in the Gulf, amidst repricing of cargo vessel insurance.
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All well worth it if secures yet another term of office for the USA's Supreme Leader... |
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By *CExeCouple 4 weeks ago
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"F15 shot down by small arms fire, two C130’s loaded with state of art kit lost in botched landing. $250M
160 school kids and teachers blown up by duff intelligence/ target mis calculation.
Increased global energy costs, insurance, shipping costs, fuel logistics, interest swap rates, mortgage costs (uk 92bps average reprice) to mention just a few.
Iranian civilian energy infastructure to be targeted next, retaliation likely on neighbouring countries desalination plants.
Middle east tourism industry down £50bn.
Usa providing $20 billion maritime insurance facility for tankers in the Gulf, amidst repricing of cargo vessel insurance.
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Heaven forbid you read about the second world war and the human and financial cost of that.... |
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"F15 shot down by small arms fire, two C130’s loaded with state of art kit lost in botched landing. $250M
160 school kids and teachers blown up by duff intelligence/ target mis calculation.
Increased global energy costs, insurance, shipping costs, fuel logistics, interest swap rates, mortgage costs (uk 92bps average reprice) to mention just a few.
Iranian civilian energy infastructure to be targeted next, retaliation likely on neighbouring countries desalination plants.
Middle east tourism industry down £50bn.
Usa providing $20 billion maritime insurance facility for tankers in the Gulf, amidst repricing of cargo vessel insurance.
Heaven forbid you read about the second world war and the human and financial cost of that...."
Top trumps of war. Yes indeed |
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"I would feel more overjoyed if a few or, even better, the majority of, US personnel refused to obey their obviously megalomaniacal leader."
I suspect that's already happening, but (obviously) isn't being made public. Trump will soon be ordering strikes against power plants, which his military leaders will know is a war crime. If we wake up on Wednesday and those strikes haven't happened, it's because the military are refusing to do it. |
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"I would feel more overjoyed if a few or, even better, the majority of, US personnel refused to obey their obviously megalomaniacal leader.
I suspect that's already happening, but (obviously) isn't being made public. Trump will soon be ordering strikes against power plants, which his military leaders will know is a war crime. If we wake up on Wednesday and those strikes haven't happened, it's because the military are refusing to do it."
Or once again he's changed his mind.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 4 weeks ago
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"Iranians told not to use rail network as ‘will endanger their lives’ Israel warns
16 hours left to Trumps deadline, will he go ahead ? "
Hopefully there will be a bus replacement service. |
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"Iran can be ‘taken out’ in one night
Jingoistic talk from Trump, looks like ‘the bastards’ are getting it tmrw "
If Trump goes ahead It’ll be a humanitarian disaster in Iran & yet another guarantee that Islamist terrorism will continue to be directed against The West with yet more zeal for the foreseeable future in the aftermath.
It’ll also be a disaster for the world economy if/when Iran target the gulf states in response & especially if the regime manage to still keep control of the Strait of Hormuz.
Unless Trump nukes Iran, which given his volatility, I couldn’t 100% rule out. Not a good foreign relations exercise though & would erase beyond doubt the notion that The West are in anyway morally superior.
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"Iran can be ‘taken out’ in one night
Jingoistic talk from Trump, looks like ‘the bastards’ are getting it tmrw "
It will only result in retaliation to the other Gulf States, for some of them 90% of their drinking water is from desalination plants..
Destroying the infrastructure with the everyday consequences for the ordinary population in Iran will be awful and very possibly turn some of the Iranians away from supporting the failed campaign to overthrow the regime..
It will not open the Strait of Hormuz..
Its petulance once again and a potential humanitarian crisis for millions of people in the region and the global impacts will be huge..
Out of his depth ..
Trump is now looking like a global threat to billions by his following Netanyahu and cant accept that the same mistakes his country made in Vietnam aren't also happening in Iran..
His ego is dangerous.. |
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By *otMe66Man 4 weeks ago
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"Iran can be ‘taken out’ in one night
Jingoistic talk from Trump, looks like ‘the bastards’ are getting it tmrw
It will only result in retaliation to the other Gulf States, for some of them 90% of their drinking water is from desalination plants..
Destroying the infrastructure with the everyday consequences for the ordinary population in Iran will be awful and very possibly turn some of the Iranians away from supporting the failed campaign to overthrow the regime..
It will not open the Strait of Hormuz..
Its petulance once again and a potential humanitarian crisis for millions of people in the region and the global impacts will be huge..
Out of his depth ..
Trump is now looking like a global threat to billions by his following Netanyahu and cant accept that the same mistakes his country made in Vietnam aren't also happening in Iran..
His ego is dangerous.."
I agree is ego and lack of emotional control is a problem for Trump, but there are 2 ways to look at this.
The only way I see this being considered right now is Trump is threatening to obliterate Iran if they don't do what he says, I think that is partially true.
However, I see a desperation in Trump's phrases and mannerisms, I'm assuming rightly or wrongly that is due to the devastation the US and Israel have already caused to Iran. If the next phases of attacks which is what he talking about here is to bring down the infrastructure that is the last roll of the dice, there really wont be an Iran left, and I don't think he wants that.
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"67% are afraid it's going to be a long term war "
That low? Id have expected that figure to be close to 100%. Everyone should be afraid of a long term war. |
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"I would feel more overjoyed if a few or, even better, the majority of, US personnel refused to obey their obviously megalomaniacal leader."
"I suspect that's already happening, but (obviously) isn't being made public. Trump will soon be ordering strikes against power plants, which his military leaders will know is a war crime. If we wake up on Wednesday and those strikes haven't happened, it's because the military are refusing to do it."
"Or once again he's changed his mind.."
How many of Trump's U-turns are down to him actually changing his mind, and how many are due to the people below him telling him that it isn't possible after they've been ordered to do it? |
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"Iran can be ‘taken out’ in one night
Jingoistic talk from Trump, looks like ‘the bastards’ are getting it tmrw
It will only result in retaliation to the other Gulf States, for some of them 90% of their drinking water is from desalination plants..
Destroying the infrastructure with the everyday consequences for the ordinary population in Iran will be awful and very possibly turn some of the Iranians away from supporting the failed campaign to overthrow the regime..
It will not open the Strait of Hormuz..
Its petulance once again and a potential humanitarian crisis for millions of people in the region and the global impacts will be huge..
Out of his depth ..
Trump is now looking like a global threat to billions by his following Netanyahu and cant accept that the same mistakes his country made in Vietnam aren't also happening in Iran..
His ego is dangerous..
I agree is ego and lack of emotional control is a problem for Trump, but there are 2 ways to look at this.
The only way I see this being considered right now is Trump is threatening to obliterate Iran if they don't do what he says, I think that is partially true.
However, I see a desperation in Trump's phrases and mannerisms, I'm assuming rightly or wrongly that is due to the devastation the US and Israel have already caused to Iran. If the next phases of attacks which is what he talking about here is to bring down the infrastructure that is the last roll of the dice, there really wont be an Iran left, and I don't think he wants that.
It is tough game when the person that has a gun pointed at their head says shoot. "
I agree theres a desperation in his threats, he underestimated the resilience of Iran and for some utterly bizarre reason was surprised that they did as they pre warned and widened the conflict..
Instead of saying we will continue our attacks on the military and the regime etc he's painted himself into a corner and if he backs down he'll be mocked again by the regime..
If he goes ahead then the costs and consequences will spread far and wide and he will still not have opened the Strait.. |
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"I would feel more overjoyed if a few or, even better, the majority of, US personnel refused to obey their obviously megalomaniacal leader.
I suspect that's already happening, but (obviously) isn't being made public. Trump will soon be ordering strikes against power plants, which his military leaders will know is a war crime. If we wake up on Wednesday and those strikes haven't happened, it's because the military are refusing to do it.
Or once again he's changed his mind..
How many of Trump's U-turns are down to him actually changing his mind, and how many are due to the people below him telling him that it isn't possible after they've been ordered to do it?"
However you try and spin it, there is no defending this US administration, they are shambolic. |
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"I would feel more overjoyed if a few or, even better, the majority of, US personnel refused to obey their obviously megalomaniacal leader.
I suspect that's already happening, but (obviously) isn't being made public. Trump will soon be ordering strikes against power plants, which his military leaders will know is a war crime. If we wake up on Wednesday and those strikes haven't happened, it's because the military are refusing to do it.
Or once again he's changed his mind..
How many of Trump's U-turns are down to him actually changing his mind, and how many are due to the people below him telling him that it isn't possible after they've been ordered to do it?"
Like all commanders in chief hes getting briefed on the options etc but whether he listens is another thing..
No matter the process ultimately its his decision..
There won't be a situation with the higher echelons in the military where they simply refuse to carry out orders..
20 years in Leavenworth and no pension isnt a nice thought.. |
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By *otMe66Man 4 weeks ago
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"Iran can be ‘taken out’ in one night
Jingoistic talk from Trump, looks like ‘the bastards’ are getting it tmrw
It will only result in retaliation to the other Gulf States, for some of them 90% of their drinking water is from desalination plants..
Destroying the infrastructure with the everyday consequences for the ordinary population in Iran will be awful and very possibly turn some of the Iranians away from supporting the failed campaign to overthrow the regime..
It will not open the Strait of Hormuz..
Its petulance once again and a potential humanitarian crisis for millions of people in the region and the global impacts will be huge..
Out of his depth ..
Trump is now looking like a global threat to billions by his following Netanyahu and cant accept that the same mistakes his country made in Vietnam aren't also happening in Iran..
His ego is dangerous..
I agree is ego and lack of emotional control is a problem for Trump, but there are 2 ways to look at this.
The only way I see this being considered right now is Trump is threatening to obliterate Iran if they don't do what he says, I think that is partially true.
However, I see a desperation in Trump's phrases and mannerisms, I'm assuming rightly or wrongly that is due to the devastation the US and Israel have already caused to Iran. If the next phases of attacks which is what he talking about here is to bring down the infrastructure that is the last roll of the dice, there really wont be an Iran left, and I don't think he wants that.
It is tough game when the person that has a gun pointed at their head says shoot.
I agree theres a desperation in his threats, he underestimated the resilience of Iran and for some utterly bizarre reason was surprised that they did as they pre warned and widened the conflict..
Instead of saying we will continue our attacks on the military and the regime etc he's painted himself into a corner and if he backs down he'll be mocked again by the regime..
If he goes ahead then the costs and consequences will spread far and wide and he will still not have opened the Strait.."
Resilience is doing some heavy lifting. I don't know what phrase to use but Iran reminds me of Hamas in Gaza, it is crumbling around them and they continue on without a care for their people.
That in my opinion is the key difference in this and how the US has come unstuck. The only thing that will come out of this is the period of time it will take Iran to restructure, post that if the regime does not get toppled who knows what their approach to peace will be? |
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"I would feel more overjoyed if a few or, even better, the majority of, US personnel refused to obey their obviously megalomaniacal leader.
I suspect that's already happening, but (obviously) isn't being made public. Trump will soon be ordering strikes against power plants, which his military leaders will know is a war crime. If we wake up on Wednesday and those strikes haven't happened, it's because the military are refusing to do it.
Or once again he's changed his mind..
How many of Trump's U-turns are down to him actually changing his mind, and how many are due to the people below him telling him that it isn't possible after they've been ordered to do it?"
He's just doing Netanyahus bidding. Truly bizarre set of circumstances. Not even a pretence any longer of wmd... Simply bombing infrastructure to oblivion. You'd think by now his advisors would have told him the iran regime don't give a fuck what or who you bomb so maybe try a bit more jaw jaw instead od more war war. |
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"Iran can be ‘taken out’ in one night
Jingoistic talk from Trump, looks like ‘the bastards’ are getting it tmrw
It will only result in retaliation to the other Gulf States, for some of them 90% of their drinking water is from desalination plants..
Destroying the infrastructure with the everyday consequences for the ordinary population in Iran will be awful and very possibly turn some of the Iranians away from supporting the failed campaign to overthrow the regime..
It will not open the Strait of Hormuz..
Its petulance once again and a potential humanitarian crisis for millions of people in the region and the global impacts will be huge..
Out of his depth ..
Trump is now looking like a global threat to billions by his following Netanyahu and cant accept that the same mistakes his country made in Vietnam aren't also happening in Iran..
His ego is dangerous..
I agree is ego and lack of emotional control is a problem for Trump, but there are 2 ways to look at this.
The only way I see this being considered right now is Trump is threatening to obliterate Iran if they don't do what he says, I think that is partially true.
However, I see a desperation in Trump's phrases and mannerisms, I'm assuming rightly or wrongly that is due to the devastation the US and Israel have already caused to Iran. If the next phases of attacks which is what he talking about here is to bring down the infrastructure that is the last roll of the dice, there really wont be an Iran left, and I don't think he wants that.
It is tough game when the person that has a gun pointed at their head says shoot.
I agree theres a desperation in his threats, he underestimated the resilience of Iran and for some utterly bizarre reason was surprised that they did as they pre warned and widened the conflict..
Instead of saying we will continue our attacks on the military and the regime etc he's painted himself into a corner and if he backs down he'll be mocked again by the regime..
If he goes ahead then the costs and consequences will spread far and wide and he will still not have opened the Strait..
Resilience is doing some heavy lifting. I don't know what phrase to use but Iran reminds me of Hamas in Gaza, it is crumbling around them and they continue on without a care for their people.
That in my opinion is the key difference in this and how the US has come unstuck. The only thing that will come out of this is the period of time it will take Iran to restructure, post that if the regime does not get toppled who knows what their approach to peace will be? "
I think theres commonalities with regimes and groups like Hezbollah who have such entrenched ideological aims and to a lesser degree other organisations and even government's that hang on past their effectiveness..
Failing to adapt or compromise is fairly common..
I can see from their perspective that they only need to keep the pressure on the global economy before politically it gets too much for the likes of the Gulf States and America, the regime dont care what its citizens endure or think..
I dont think they're going to blink first.. |
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"There won't be a situation with the higher echelons in the military where they simply refuse to carry out orders..
20 years in Leavenworth and no pension isnt a nice thought.."
You don't get time in Leavenworth for refusing to commit a war crime. If Trump orders the destruction of power stations, the top brass are entirely within their rights to refuse, and no court will censure them for that. |
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"There won't be a situation with the higher echelons in the military where they simply refuse to carry out orders..
20 years in Leavenworth and no pension isnt a nice thought..
You don't get time in Leavenworth for refusing to commit a war crime. If Trump orders the destruction of power stations, the top brass are entirely within their rights to refuse, and no court will censure them for that."
I've experience of military law and obligations under conventions so yes they would be protected from incarcerated in refusing an unlawful order in many countries..
I'm not so confident it would happen in America under trump..
At the very least its career ending.. |
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"You don't get time in Leavenworth for refusing to commit a war crime. If Trump orders the destruction of power stations, the top brass are entirely within their rights to refuse, and no court will censure them for that."
"I've experience of military law and obligations under conventions so yes they would be protected from incarcerated in refusing an unlawful order in many countries..
I'm not so confident it would happen in America under trump.."
I can see your point.
"At the very least its career ending.."
True, but who wants to hold onto a career that involves being prosecuted for war crimes when the next government gets elected? |
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By *I TwoCouple 4 weeks ago
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"67% are afraid it's going to be a long term war
That low? Id have expected that figure to be close to 100%. Everyone should be afraid of a long term war. "
Unfortunately there are some stupid people that don't want to see what's happening around them and blindly follow the cunt |
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"You don't get time in Leavenworth for refusing to commit a war crime. If Trump orders the destruction of power stations, the top brass are entirely within their rights to refuse, and no court will censure them for that.
I've experience of military law and obligations under conventions so yes they would be protected from incarcerated in refusing an unlawful order in many countries..
I'm not so confident it would happen in America under trump..
I can see your point.
At the very least its career ending..
True, but who wants to hold onto a career that involves being prosecuted for war crimes when the next government gets elected?"
Bit of an assumption any westerner gets prosecuted for war crimes. Not seeing a whole lot of teeth in the last decade. And since America doesnt acknowledge the icc (just not cricket) thinks it's a bit of empty rhetoric. |
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"... who wants to hold onto a career that involves being prosecuted for war crimes when the next government gets elected?"
"Bit of an assumption any westerner gets prosecuted for war crimes. Not seeing a whole lot of teeth in the last decade. And since America doesnt acknowledge the icc (just not cricket) thinks it's a bit of empty rhetoric."
I wasn't thinking of international action, which I agree is unlikely to achieve anything. I was thinking of the next Democrat government who I am certain will make sure that any "Trump crimes" will be fully prosecuted. |
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"You don't get time in Leavenworth for refusing to commit a war crime. If Trump orders the destruction of power stations, the top brass are entirely within their rights to refuse, and no court will censure them for that.
I've experience of military law and obligations under conventions so yes they would be protected from incarcerated in refusing an unlawful order in many countries..
I'm not so confident it would happen in America under trump..
I can see your point.
At the very least its career ending..
True, but who wants to hold onto a career that involves being prosecuted for war crimes when the next government gets elected?"
There will be some who will justify their choices no matter how wrong they are.. |
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"... who wants to hold onto a career that involves being prosecuted for war crimes when the next government gets elected?
Bit of an assumption any westerner gets prosecuted for war crimes. Not seeing a whole lot of teeth in the last decade. And since America doesnt acknowledge the icc (just not cricket) thinks it's a bit of empty rhetoric.
I wasn't thinking of international action, which I agree is unlikely to achieve anything. I was thinking of the next Democrat government who I am certain will make sure that any "Trump crimes" will be fully prosecuted."
Like Cally and the only other soldier who stood trial for the My Lai massacre in Vietnam it would be a whitewash with little time served..
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"I wasn't thinking of international action, which I agree is unlikely to achieve anything. I was thinking of the next Democrat government who I am certain will make sure that any "Trump crimes" will be fully prosecuted."
"Like Cally and the only other soldier who stood trial for the My Lai massacre in Vietnam it would be a whitewash with little time served.."
I agree that past such trials have been paying lip service only. But I think this time will be different. The Democrats will be on a mission to fix the world's view of America, and that means undoing everything Trump has done. I'm expecting to see trials of soldiers who were following legitimate orders, just because the Dems will want to be seen as squeaky clean. |
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