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The Greens have stated they will close all prisons if elected as they are bad for the prisoners mental health.
You know what else is bad for a persons mental health? Having crime committed against you or a friend or family member, especially a child.
I get that prison is not great at preventing reoffending, but they don’t reoffend until they are released. So releasing them all is going to increase crime, not decrease it. |
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Ridiculous, but what’s even more ridiculous is that a large amount of people actually take these clowns serious and vote for them. Take away their security guards and see how fast they would want no prison sentences then |
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"All I can find on this story, is that its the view of one unelected Green candidate. Which the OP seems to be claiming is official Green Party policy.
Have I got it wrong OP..?"
Fake news! 1 person in Scotland, so not even where most of us are.
But some get frothing at anything that's from a different party 
It's quicker to check clickbait headlines than to post in a thread  |
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"The Greens are also going to close zoos, ban horse racing, and start charging a dog tax.
I do wish they would stay off the drugs for a few days before their policy meetings."
Hmmm..
Think I might go along with all three of those promises! |
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"The Greens are also going to close zoos, ban horse racing, and start charging a dog tax.
I do wish they would stay off the drugs for a few days before their policy meetings.
Hmmm..
Think I might go along with all three of those promises!"
What about a dogging tax ? |
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"The Greens are also going to close zoos, ban horse racing, and start charging a dog tax.
I do wish they would stay off the drugs for a few days before their policy meetings.
Hmmm..
Think I might go along with all three of those promises!
What about a dogging tax ?"
If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge anything! |
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"The Greens have stated they will close all prisons if elected as they are bad for the prisoners mental health.
You know what else is bad for a persons mental health? Having crime committed against you or a friend or family member, especially a child.
I get that prison is not great at preventing reoffending, but they don’t reoffend until they are released. So releasing them all is going to increase crime, not decrease it. "
The Greens have not stated that they will close all prisons if they're elected. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 4 weeks ago
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"All I can find on this story, is that its the view of one unelected Green candidate. Which the OP seems to be claiming is official Green Party policy.
Have I got it wrong OP..?
Fake news! 1 person in Scotland, so not even where most of us are.
But some get frothing at anything that's from a different party
It's quicker to check clickbait headlines than to post in a thread "
That one person is a Green candidate and stared “we would…..”
So either she’ll be removed as a candidate, correct her statement publicly or it’s a green policy. A bit like all the stuff Labour is trying to do right now that wasn’t in their manifesto |
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"The Greens have stated they will close all prisons if elected as they are bad for the prisoners mental health.
You know what else is bad for a persons mental health? Having crime committed against you or a friend or family member, especially a child.
I get that prison is not great at preventing reoffending, but they don’t reoffend until they are released. So releasing them all is going to increase crime, not decrease it. "
When you see what countries like Norway do, the greens policy doesn't seem as absurd as you might think, if true . In fact prisons are not a great thing in many cases. They institutionalise people, not free them to change.
But then again what was this source of your statement. I smell Murdoch and the hate mail, with bbc arse liking them along the way. |
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"All I can find on this story, is that its the view of one unelected Green candidate. Which the OP seems to be claiming is official Green Party policy.
Have I got it wrong OP..?
Fake news! 1 person in Scotland, so not even where most of us are.
But some get frothing at anything that's from a different party
It's quicker to check clickbait headlines than to post in a thread
That one person is a Green candidate and stared “we would…..”
So either she’ll be removed as a candidate, correct her statement publicly or it’s a green policy. A bit like all the stuff Labour is trying to do right now that wasn’t in their manifesto "
It does seem to only be this one candidate who says she is keen to live in a Scotland with no jails. I don't think that's Green party policy so perhaps just her personal preference though she does not explain what to do with the perpetrators of serious crime as yet |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 4 weeks ago
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"The Greens have stated they will close all prisons if elected as they are bad for the prisoners mental health.
You know what else is bad for a persons mental health? Having crime committed against you or a friend or family member, especially a child.
I get that prison is not great at preventing reoffending, but they don’t reoffend until they are released. So releasing them all is going to increase crime, not decrease it.
When you see what countries like Norway do, the greens policy doesn't seem as absurd as you might think, if true . In fact prisons are not a great thing in many cases. They institutionalise people, not free them to change.
But then again what was this source of your statement. I smell Murdoch and the hate mail, with bbc arse liking them along the way. "
I’m not sure if you read my whole post but I did say I know that prisons aren’t great at stopping people reoffending. But they don’t reoffend while is prison, it’s letting them out that causes the problems.
The source was a green candidates video on her own social media. |
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"The Greens have stated they will close all prisons if elected as they are bad for the prisoners mental health.
You know what else is bad for a persons mental health? Having crime committed against you or a friend or family member, especially a child.
I get that prison is not great at preventing reoffending, but they don’t reoffend until they are released. So releasing them all is going to increase crime, not decrease it.
When you see what countries like Norway do, the greens policy doesn't seem as absurd as you might think, if true . In fact prisons are not a great thing in many cases. They institutionalise people, not free them to change.
But then again what was this source of your statement. I smell Murdoch and the hate mail, with bbc arse liking them along the way.
I’m not sure if you read my whole post but I did say I know that prisons aren’t great at stopping people reoffending. But they don’t reoffend while is prison, it’s letting them out that causes the problems.
The source was a green candidates video on her own social media. "
And what about the argument that prison is where petty criminals learn to be career criminals at the taxpayers expense? £50k per prisoner per year. |
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"The Greens have stated they will close all prisons if elected as they are bad for the prisoners mental health.
You know what else is bad for a persons mental health? Having crime committed against you or a friend or family member, especially a child.
I get that prison is not great at preventing reoffending, but they don’t reoffend until they are released. So releasing them all is going to increase crime, not decrease it.
When you see what countries like Norway do, the greens policy doesn't seem as absurd as you might think, if true . In fact prisons are not a great thing in many cases. They institutionalise people, not free them to change.
But then again what was this source of your statement. I smell Murdoch and the hate mail, with bbc arse liking them along the way.
I’m not sure if you read my whole post but I did say I know that prisons aren’t great at stopping people reoffending. But they don’t reoffend while is prison, it’s letting them out that causes the problems.
The source was a green candidates video on her own social media. "
So to be clear op it's not the greens at all but just one person.
The shite you read on this politics forum is laughable at best and just downright misinformation by a certain few regular Shit Posters constantly posting shit |
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By (user no longer on site) 4 weeks ago
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"The Greens have stated they will close all prisons if elected as they are bad for the prisoners mental health.
You know what else is bad for a persons mental health? Having crime committed against you or a friend or family member, especially a child.
I get that prison is not great at preventing reoffending, but they don’t reoffend until they are released. So releasing them all is going to increase crime, not decrease it.
When you see what countries like Norway do, the greens policy doesn't seem as absurd as you might think, if true . In fact prisons are not a great thing in many cases. They institutionalise people, not free them to change.
But then again what was this source of your statement. I smell Murdoch and the hate mail, with bbc arse liking them along the way.
I’m not sure if you read my whole post but I did say I know that prisons aren’t great at stopping people reoffending. But they don’t reoffend while is prison, it’s letting them out that causes the problems.
The source was a green candidates video on her own social media.
So to be clear op it's not the greens at all but just one person.
The shite you read on this politics forum is laughable at best and just downright misinformation by a certain few regular Shit Posters constantly posting shit "
Yes, one person who's an official Green candidate, so coming from the Greens. The rest of your post is just abuse. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 4 weeks ago
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"The Greens have stated they will close all prisons if elected as they are bad for the prisoners mental health.
You know what else is bad for a persons mental health? Having crime committed against you or a friend or family member, especially a child.
I get that prison is not great at preventing reoffending, but they don’t reoffend until they are released. So releasing them all is going to increase crime, not decrease it.
When you see what countries like Norway do, the greens policy doesn't seem as absurd as you might think, if true . In fact prisons are not a great thing in many cases. They institutionalise people, not free them to change.
But then again what was this source of your statement. I smell Murdoch and the hate mail, with bbc arse liking them along the way.
I’m not sure if you read my whole post but I did say I know that prisons aren’t great at stopping people reoffending. But they don’t reoffend while is prison, it’s letting them out that causes the problems.
The source was a green candidates video on her own social media.
And what about the argument that prison is where petty criminals learn to be career criminals at the taxpayers expense? £50k per prisoner per year."
And I agree with you 100% once again.
But again I’ll say it’s letting them back into society that causes the problems, while they are kept away from society they only commit crimes on other inmates. Ok, the occasional prison officer as well. One of my closest friends works as a prison guard at HMP Highpoint
The solution is quite simple, 3 strikes and you’re out. Life in custody for repeat offenders.
And yes the cost is astronomical. We need to find ways to do it cheaper. If every benefit recipients home had an extra room that could be turned into a cell perhaps. Just a toilet and a bed, never allowed out, slot to pass food through and a change of clothes. Pay them £150 a week to feed them and wash their clothes.
Crime rates would fall like a lead balloon and costs would fall too. The people on benefits also get a purpose to their day, everyone wins. |
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"The Greens have stated they will close all prisons if elected as they are bad for the prisoners mental health.
You know what else is bad for a persons mental health? Having crime committed against you or a friend or family member, especially a child.
I get that prison is not great at preventing reoffending, but they don’t reoffend until they are released. So releasing them all is going to increase crime, not decrease it.
When you see what countries like Norway do, the greens policy doesn't seem as absurd as you might think, if true . In fact prisons are not a great thing in many cases. They institutionalise people, not free them to change.
But then again what was this source of your statement. I smell Murdoch and the hate mail, with bbc arse liking them along the way.
I’m not sure if you read my whole post but I did say I know that prisons aren’t great at stopping people reoffending. But they don’t reoffend while is prison, it’s letting them out that causes the problems.
The source was a green candidates video on her own social media.
So to be clear op it's not the greens at all but just one person.
The shite you read on this politics forum is laughable at best and just downright misinformation by a certain few regular Shit Posters constantly posting shit
Yes, one person who's an official Green candidate, so coming from the Greens. The rest of your post is just abuse."
London calling London calling !
That's hilarious coming from fabs very own Lord Haw Haw
The fact you've been triggered by my opinion proves my point entirely.
I rest my case
If that's too hurty wordy for you block me you snowflake before you melt away |
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By (user no longer on site) 4 weeks ago
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"The Greens have stated they will close all prisons if elected as they are bad for the prisoners mental health.
You know what else is bad for a persons mental health? Having crime committed against you or a friend or family member, especially a child.
I get that prison is not great at preventing reoffending, but they don’t reoffend until they are released. So releasing them all is going to increase crime, not decrease it.
When you see what countries like Norway do, the greens policy doesn't seem as absurd as you might think, if true . In fact prisons are not a great thing in many cases. They institutionalise people, not free them to change.
But then again what was this source of your statement. I smell Murdoch and the hate mail, with bbc arse liking them along the way.
I’m not sure if you read my whole post but I did say I know that prisons aren’t great at stopping people reoffending. But they don’t reoffend while is prison, it’s letting them out that causes the problems.
The source was a green candidates video on her own social media.
So to be clear op it's not the greens at all but just one person.
The shite you read on this politics forum is laughable at best and just downright misinformation by a certain few regular Shit Posters constantly posting shit
Yes, one person who's an official Green candidate, so coming from the Greens. The rest of your post is just abuse.
London calling London calling !
That's hilarious coming from fabs very own Lord Haw Haw
The fact you've been triggered by my opinion proves my point entirely.
I rest my case
If that's too hurty wordy for you block me you snowflake before you melt away "
I haven't seen you express an opinion, just write a lot of personal abuse. It doesn't bother me but I don't think it improves the tone of the thread.
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"The Greens have stated they will close all prisons if elected as they are bad for the prisoners mental health.
You know what else is bad for a persons mental health? Having crime committed against you or a friend or family member, especially a child.
I get that prison is not great at preventing reoffending, but they don’t reoffend until they are released. So releasing them all is going to increase crime, not decrease it.
When you see what countries like Norway do, the greens policy doesn't seem as absurd as you might think, if true . In fact prisons are not a great thing in many cases. They institutionalise people, not free them to change.
But then again what was this source of your statement. I smell Murdoch and the hate mail, with bbc arse liking them along the way.
I’m not sure if you read my whole post but I did say I know that prisons aren’t great at stopping people reoffending. But they don’t reoffend while is prison, it’s letting them out that causes the problems.
The source was a green candidates video on her own social media.
And what about the argument that prison is where petty criminals learn to be career criminals at the taxpayers expense? £50k per prisoner per year.
And I agree with you 100% once again.
But again I’ll say it’s letting them back into society that causes the problems, while they are kept away from society they only commit crimes on other inmates. Ok, the occasional prison officer as well. One of my closest friends works as a prison guard at HMP Highpoint
The solution is quite simple, 3 strikes and you’re out. Life in custody for repeat offenders.
And yes the cost is astronomical. We need to find ways to do it cheaper. If every benefit recipients home had an extra room that could be turned into a cell perhaps. Just a toilet and a bed, never allowed out, slot to pass food through and a change of clothes. Pay them £150 a week to feed them and wash their clothes.
Crime rates would fall like a lead balloon and costs would fall too. The people on benefits also get a purpose to their day, everyone wins. "
Where is the evidence that crime rates would fall? The US has some of the harshest sentencing in the world but their crime rates are still very high. |
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Where is the evidence that crime rates would fall? The US has some of the harshest sentencing in the world but their crime rates are still very high."
Prison is a business over there. It's like a hotel with guaranteed 100% occupancy rates. |
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Where is the evidence that crime rates would fall? The US has some of the harshest sentencing in the world but their crime rates are still very high.
Prison is a business over there. It's like a hotel with guaranteed 100% occupancy rates."
Largest prison population in the world. |
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Where is the evidence that crime rates would fall? The US has some of the harshest sentencing in the world but their crime rates are still very high.
Prison is a business over there. It's like a hotel with guaranteed 100% occupancy rates.
Largest prison population in the world. "
A quick Google says over 1.8 million |
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Where is the evidence that crime rates would fall? The US has some of the harshest sentencing in the world but their crime rates are still very high.
Prison is a business over there. It's like a hotel with guaranteed 100% occupancy rates."
But why are US homicides 4x to 6x higher than in the UK if harsh sentencing is supposed to make crime rates "drop like a stone"? |
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Where is the evidence that crime rates would fall? The US has some of the harshest sentencing in the world but their crime rates are still very high.
Prison is a business over there. It's like a hotel with guaranteed 100% occupancy rates.
But why are US homicides 4x to 6x higher than in the UK if harsh sentencing is supposed to make crime rates "drop like a stone"?"
Yeah but the US hasn't trialed the genius idea of putting a cell inside someone's house. |
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Where is the evidence that crime rates would fall? The US has some of the harshest sentencing in the world but their crime rates are still very high.
Prison is a business over there. It's like a hotel with guaranteed 100% occupancy rates.
But why are US homicides 4x to 6x higher than in the UK if harsh sentencing is supposed to make crime rates "drop like a stone"?"
It's a complete mystery why the US murder rate is higher. No one has ever worked out why that could be.🤔 |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 3 weeks ago
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Where is the evidence that crime rates would fall? The US has some of the harshest sentencing in the world but their crime rates are still very high.
Prison is a business over there. It's like a hotel with guaranteed 100% occupancy rates.
But why are US homicides 4x to 6x higher than in the UK if harsh sentencing is supposed to make crime rates "drop like a stone"?"
Gun related homicide in the UK in a recent 12 month period was 32. In the US it was 20,000. And that’s with some states having the death penalty. So there’s two possible reasons. Harsher penalties don’t work. Or guns being as easily accessible as chocolate bars leads to more people being shot. Do we really need a 10 year study?
The evidence is simple maths.
After being caught stealing cars and getting a year inside then once out within 6 months they are robbing houses and get 5 years. When released they know getting convicted again means life in prison, even a complete idiot is gonna think twice.
But let’s so they don’t, under the current system they spend the rest of their life in and out of jail. Under the Greens system they continue their criminal activity but never get punished for it. A few chats with a criminal psychologist that they probably won’t attend and what the punishment for not attending? Can’t be jail, you said that don’t work. Chaos ensues.
Under a three strike and you’re out rule they never commit any more crimes because they are in prison. Or better still, dumped on an uninhabited island somewhere to fend for themselves.
We’ve tried the softly softly approach, it’s clearly not working
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"Holland is a good example where taking a health approach to crime works, so you treat drug crime as a health issue, they need help rather than lockdown them up.
Most of hollands prisons are empty."
Prison occupancy rates in Holland are 94%.
The EU average is 94.6%. |
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