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"Do you support the US naval blockade?
If not, why not ?
And if so, will it work ?"
Yawn .. another load of shite from the mango marauder.
It will cut down oil supplies from Iran to Asia who will source it elsewhere putting prices up for his looney supporters
Another monumental fuck up.
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"Do you support the US naval blockade?
If not, why not ?
And if so, will it work ?
Will Trump really fire on a Chinese vessel accompanied by a naval esc0rt?"
Therein lies the issue..
If it gets to the point where tge Chinese navy are e#corting tankers the risk of unintended consequences is high..
I think they're trying to pressure China into putting the squeeze on Iran but China might be able to wait it out given they get most of their oil from Russia..
So they sit and watch as the economic problems rise, yes they will get a knock from that too but might think seeing how trump is affected is worth it.. |
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"Do you support the US naval blockade?
If not, why not ?
And if so, will it work ?
Will Trump really fire on a Chinese vessel accompanied by a naval esc0rt?"
Are they threatening to fire ? It's quite hard to find details. |
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I think people may be missing a potentially important point.
From what I gather, Iran is demanding tariffs to be paid in Bitcoin – and other crypto.
Bitcoin is sanction-resistant currency that can cross borders instantly, with very little that can be done to stop it. It's traceable, but unstoppable.
So, shippers who pay these tolls risk violating sanctions, and therefore risk severe penalties.
I'm speculating here, but unchecked, I think it's possible for Iran to become an even more powerful holder of Bitcoin – and Trump potentially wants in on this; he realises the value of BTC as a future store of wealth and that this may send its value into space. |
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I am actually starting to feel sorry for Trump. He has clearly run his shock and awe playbook as far as it can go and everyone has cottoned on. He is a one trick pony and there is nothing else. He will now rant and rave until the end of his presidency, turn over all sorts of carts, create one huge mess after another and the world will just shrug and move on. That must hurt. |
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"I am actually starting to feel sorry for Trump. He has clearly run his shock and awe playbook as far as it can go and everyone has cottoned on. He is a one trick pony and there is nothing else. He will now rant and rave until the end of his presidency, turn over all sorts of carts, create one huge mess after another and the world will just shrug and move on. That must hurt."
Yes but Trump says Tehran wants a deal 'very badly' |
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"I am actually starting to feel sorry for Trump. He has clearly run his shock and awe playbook as far as it can go and everyone has cottoned on. He is a one trick pony and there is nothing else. He will now rant and rave until the end of his presidency, turn over all sorts of carts, create one huge mess after another and the world will just shrug and move on. That must hurt."
As this goes on his stability looks questionable..
Pretending to look like the Pope and then saying I was portraying myself as a Doctor, saving lives..
Its utterly bizarre but it will no doubt be 'out bizarred' at some time soon.. |
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"I am actually starting to feel sorry for Trump. He has clearly run his shock and awe playbook as far as it can go and everyone has cottoned on. He is a one trick pony and there is nothing else. He will now rant and rave until the end of his presidency, turn over all sorts of carts, create one huge mess after another and the world will just shrug and move on. That must hurt.
As this goes on his stability looks questionable..
Pretending to look like the Pope and then saying I was portraying myself as a Doctor, saving lives..
Its utterly bizarre but it will no doubt be 'out bizarred' at some time soon.."
Balled out Zelensky publicly
Greenland is ours
British veterans stood at the back in Afghanistan
British navy just got toys
Iranians are bastards
NATO members are cowards
Pope poor at foreign policy |
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"I am actually starting to feel sorry for Trump. He has clearly run his shock and awe playbook as far as it can go and everyone has cottoned on. He is a one trick pony and there is nothing else. He will now rant and rave until the end of his presidency, turn over all sorts of carts, create one huge mess after another and the world will just shrug and move on. That must hurt.
As this goes on his stability looks questionable..
Pretending to look like the Pope and then saying I was portraying myself as a Doctor, saving lives..
Its utterly bizarre but it will no doubt be 'out bizarred' at some time soon.."
Yeah I would legit question his mental sanity at this point. My guess is that no one wants to take over his position now because it will count as one of the two terms. That will change come January 2027, when they will try to get Vance take over. They are losing the support of Republican voters pretty fast. They will need to do some damage control before the next elections. |
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"Do you support the US naval blockade?
If not, why not ?
And if so, will it work ?
Will Trump really fire on a Chinese vessel accompanied by a naval esc0rt?
Are they threatening to fire ? It's quite hard to find details."
How else would you enforce a blockade when faced with vessels that won't stop? |
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"I am actually starting to feel sorry for Trump. He has clearly run his shock and awe playbook as far as it can go and everyone has cottoned on. He is a one trick pony and there is nothing else. He will now rant and rave until the end of his presidency, turn over all sorts of carts, create one huge mess after another and the world will just shrug and move on. That must hurt.
As this goes on his stability looks questionable..
Pretending to look like the Pope and then saying I was portraying myself as a Doctor, saving lives..
Its utterly bizarre but it will no doubt be 'out bizarred' at some time soon..
Yeah I would legit question his mental sanity at this point. My guess is that no one wants to take over his position now because it will count as one of the two terms. That will change come January 2027, when they will try to get Vance take over. They are losing the support of Republican voters pretty fast. They will need to do some damage control before the next elections."
Its sort of an almost fuck it I'm going to do this because I know I'm never wrong and the stakes seem to be irrelevant if it does go pear shaped which history often reminds us things can and did because of simple things like a lack of understanding of others and and simple things like communication..
History won't be kind and a reset will be needed with many but for some the damage may already be too much for whoever tries to clear up the mess..
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"Do you support the US naval blockade?
If not, why not ?
And if so, will it work ?
Will Trump really fire on a Chinese vessel accompanied by a naval esc0rt?
Are they threatening to fire ? It's quite hard to find details.
How else would you enforce a blockade when faced with vessels that won't stop? "
you mune the straits if any of ne wants to risk passing thats there choice is my guess |
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"Do you support the US naval blockade?
If not, why not ?
And if so, will it work ?
Will Trump really fire on a Chinese vessel accompanied by a naval esc0rt?
Are they threatening to fire ? It's quite hard to find details.
How else would you enforce a blockade when faced with vessels that won't stop? you mune the straits if any of ne wants to risk passing thats there choice is my guess"
So the Americans who have said they are clearing mines, mine tge Straits again?
Mines tend to not take account of a vessels origin or flag its under so how does that work when trump has said some nations ships will have access but not Iran's? |
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"I am actually starting to feel sorry for Trump. He has clearly run his shock and awe playbook as far as it can go and everyone has cottoned on. He is a one trick pony and there is nothing else. He will now rant and rave until the end of his presidency, turn over all sorts of carts, create one huge mess after another and the world will just shrug and move on. That must hurt.
As this goes on his stability looks questionable..
Pretending to look like the Pope and then saying I was portraying myself as a Doctor, saving lives..
Its utterly bizarre but it will no doubt be 'out bizarred' at some time soon..
Yeah I would legit question his mental sanity at this point. My guess is that no one wants to take over his position now because it will count as one of the two terms. That will change come January 2027, when they will try to get Vance take over. They are losing the support of Republican voters pretty fast. They will need to do some damage control before the next elections.
Its sort of an almost fuck it I'm going to do this because I know I'm never wrong and the stakes seem to be irrelevant if it does go pear shaped which history often reminds us things can and did because of simple things like a lack of understanding of others and and simple things like communication..
History won't be kind and a reset will be needed with many but for some the damage may already be too much for whoever tries to clear up the mess..
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Yeah so damage is permanent. America, or any other country for that matter, would not be seen as a trustworthy ally that you can rely on, for any country may end up electing someone like him and the friendship with that country will go tits up.
So American global hegemony is going away for sure, which may actually turn out to be a good thing for the American people. |
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"I am actually starting to feel sorry for Trump. He has clearly run his shock and awe playbook as far as it can go and everyone has cottoned on. He is a one trick pony and there is nothing else. He will now rant and rave until the end of his presidency, turn over all sorts of carts, create one huge mess after another and the world will just shrug and move on. That must hurt.
As this goes on his stability looks questionable..
Pretending to look like the Pope and then saying I was portraying myself as a Doctor, saving lives..
Its utterly bizarre but it will no doubt be 'out bizarred' at some time soon..
Yeah I would legit question his mental sanity at this point. My guess is that no one wants to take over his position now because it will count as one of the two terms. That will change come January 2027, when they will try to get Vance take over. They are losing the support of Republican voters pretty fast. They will need to do some damage control before the next elections.
Its sort of an almost fuck it I'm going to do this because I know I'm never wrong and the stakes seem to be irrelevant if it does go pear shaped which history often reminds us things can and did because of simple things like a lack of understanding of others and and simple things like communication..
History won't be kind and a reset will be needed with many but for some the damage may already be too much for whoever tries to clear up the mess..
Yeah so damage is permanent. America, or any other country for that matter, would not be seen as a trustworthy ally that you can rely on, for any country may end up electing someone like him and the friendship with that country will go tits up.
So American global hegemony is going away for sure, which may actually turn out to be a good thing for the American people."
That's a valid point yes, it might even benefit those who voted for it this time but haven't got what they probably thought..
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"Yeah I would legit question his mental sanity at this point."
He's not changed one bit since 2015. He was just as much a crackpot then... But since then, he's been elected as president twice and caused some of the biggest waves in geopolitics since the 1940s. For all that the world has been calling him bonkers for years, his power is immense.
He is probably more a symptom and reflection of society than anything else. Some people see him as chaotic entertainment, some mine him for opportunity and everyone else gets swept away. |
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"Yeah I would legit question his mental sanity at this point.
He's not changed one bit since 2015. He was just as much a crackpot then... But since then, he's been elected as president twice and caused some of the biggest waves in geopolitics since the 1940s. For all that the world has been calling him bonkers for years, his power is immense.
He is probably more a symptom and reflection of society than anything else. Some people see him as chaotic entertainment, some mine him for opportunity and everyone else gets swept away."
Was his first term as disruptive though? He had his moments, the occasional stupid social media posts and some mistakes during Covid. Guy is ranting every week on social media like an influencer.
And in his first term, he really stood by his promise of not getting America into unnecessary wars. While he criticised his allies for valid reasons, he never outraged anyone. Something definitely feels different this term. |
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"Yeah I would legit question his mental sanity at this point.
He's not changed one bit since 2015. He was just as much a crackpot then... But since then, he's been elected as president twice and caused some of the biggest waves in geopolitics since the 1940s. For all that the world has been calling him bonkers for years, his power is immense.
He is probably more a symptom and reflection of society than anything else. Some people see him as chaotic entertainment, some mine him for opportunity and everyone else gets swept away."
He seems more intent possibly because he knows its his last opportunity and also because he will never accept he lost to Biden which has maybe influenced his choices at the highest levels..
His power is immense yes but with that goes responsibility..
Fully agree with the point about a symptom and reflection of the times we live in.. |
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"Yeah I would legit question his mental sanity at this point.
He's not changed one bit since 2015. He was just as much a crackpot then... But since then, he's been elected as president twice and caused some of the biggest waves in geopolitics since the 1940s. For all that the world has been calling him bonkers for years, his power is immense.
He is probably more a symptom and reflection of society than anything else. Some people see him as chaotic entertainment, some mine him for opportunity and everyone else gets swept away.
Was his first term as disruptive though? He had his moments, the occasional stupid social media posts and some mistakes during Covid. Guy is ranting every week on social media like an influencer.
And in his first term, he really stood by his promise of not getting America into unnecessary wars. While he criticised his allies for valid reasons, he never outraged anyone. Something definitely feels different this term."
Definitely yes..
There's an element of unpredictability which might work in business but not sure it carries into the position held now.. |
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"I just wonder what his ultimate end game is, is it just global instability and chaos??"
Legacy above all else ..
The renaming of organisations, the Trump class of destroyers etc plus several other things scream i want to be remembered.. |
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By *I TwoCouple 3 weeks ago
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"I just wonder what his ultimate end game is, is it just global instability and chaos??
Legacy above all else ..
The renaming of organisations, the Trump class of destroyers etc plus several other things scream i want to be remembered.."
Hell definitely go down in history, but it probably won't be good  |
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By *abioMan 3 weeks ago
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The thing is that in reality they say it’s about depriving Iran of toll income….
Quick question…. How many tankers went through the strait yesterday?
Answer…. It was 8
2 million a ship… 16 million!
So what massive high tech shit are they buying with 16 million? |
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"He can’t blockade forever
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Does it need to last forever to have an effect?
Its not long ago that the apocalyptic talk was of Trump 'destroying civilisations', ' a new Vietnam' or a 'new Iraq' - All of which are looking like hysterical hyperbole.
The ceasefire is holding so far and the US is enforcing toll free passage of the Strait with apparently no Iranian resistance. Quite a different reality, whether it works or not. |
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By *otMe66Man 3 weeks ago
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"The thing is that in reality they say it’s about depriving Iran of toll income….
Quick question…. How many tankers went through the strait yesterday?
Answer…. It was 8
2 million a ship… 16 million!
So what massive high tech shit are they buying with 16 million?"
assuming that numbers passing through remain at 8 per day over a year that is 5.8 billion |
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It's cost the US taxpayers $billions, so he doesn't care, as the observation is going to be cheaper than full military attack on the country. But it can't probably continue for long, if economic damage escalates much more.
He's made his money from his terms, which will continue, as everyone else pays |
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By *otMe66Man 3 weeks ago
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"Yeah I would legit question his mental sanity at this point.
He's not changed one bit since 2015. He was just as much a crackpot then... But since then, he's been elected as president twice and caused some of the biggest waves in geopolitics since the 1940s. For all that the world has been calling him bonkers for years, his power is immense.
He is probably more a symptom and reflection of society than anything else. Some people see him as chaotic entertainment, some mine him for opportunity and everyone else gets swept away.
Was his first term as disruptive though? He had his moments, the occasional stupid social media posts and some mistakes during Covid. Guy is ranting every week on social media like an influencer.
And in his first term, he really stood by his promise of not getting America into unnecessary wars. While he criticised his allies for valid reasons, he never outraged anyone. Something definitely feels different this term."
Globally the landscape has shifted considerably. China is the US’s number 1 concern, Europe has proven to be as unprepared and weak as expected, Russia is clawing back lost territories, and Israel has been attacked.
In my opinion the US is feeling isolated and is making a play to stabilise its position of power as per the NSS. The outcome is aggressive policies, with an unpredictable leader who is needed to make it happen. The US is not under the control of POTUS alone.. |
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"Yeah I would legit question his mental sanity at this point.
He's not changed one bit since 2015. He was just as much a crackpot then... But since then, he's been elected as president twice and caused some of the biggest waves in geopolitics since the 1940s. For all that the world has been calling him bonkers for years, his power is immense.
He is probably more a symptom and reflection of society than anything else. Some people see him as chaotic entertainment, some mine him for opportunity and everyone else gets swept away.
Was his first term as disruptive though? He had his moments, the occasional stupid social media posts and some mistakes during Covid. Guy is ranting every week on social media like an influencer.
And in his first term, he really stood by his promise of not getting America into unnecessary wars. While he criticised his allies for valid reasons, he never outraged anyone. Something definitely feels different this term.
Globally the landscape has shifted considerably. China is the US’s number 1 concern, Europe has proven to be as unprepared and weak as expected, Russia is clawing back lost territories, and Israel has been attacked.
In my opinion the US is feeling isolated and is making a play to stabilise its position of power as per the NSS. The outcome is aggressive policies, with an unpredictable leader who is needed to make it happen. The US is not under the control of POTUS alone.."
It's surprising this even needs stating. Every President since the 70s at least has been focused on the Middle East and in conflict with Iran. Trumps public pronouncement may be unwise and counter productive but seeing this current situation only through opposition to Trump is why so many people keep getting their analysis wrong. |
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"It seems china have told trump to fuck off and mind his own business they will be shipping Iranian oil.
Check mate ?"
Source?
This is an interesting (if predictable) development. One reason why mines would've been a much cleaner solution. |
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"It seems china have told trump to fuck off and mind his own business they will be shipping Iranian oil.
Check mate ?
Source?
This is an interesting (if predictable) development. One reason why mines would've been a much cleaner solution."
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"The thing is that in reality they say it’s about depriving Iran of toll income….
Quick question…. How many tankers went through the strait yesterday?
Answer…. It was 8
2 million a ship… 16 million!
So what massive high tech shit are they buying with 16 million?
assuming that numbers passing through remain at 8 per day over a year that is 5.8 billion "
Personally I think the toll money is a side show at the moment. To me the US aim of the blockade is to stop Iran from selling it's own oil which would be a much bigger loss than the toll money. I think they are going down the route of, If you stop or hinder other countries doing trade then yours will also be stopped. I suspect the oil sales will be far bigger than tolls and is very important to Iran. Imagine if the UK was somehow blocked from financial services type of scenario. The downside is some of Iran's customers are also powerful and depends on if they choose to shop elsewhere for oil or confront the blockade |
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"Yeah I would legit question his mental sanity at this point.
He's not changed one bit since 2015. He was just as much a crackpot then... But since then, he's been elected as president twice and caused some of the biggest waves in geopolitics since the 1940s. For all that the world has been calling him bonkers for years, his power is immense.
He is probably more a symptom and reflection of society than anything else. Some people see him as chaotic entertainment, some mine him for opportunity and everyone else gets swept away.
Was his first term as disruptive though? He had his moments, the occasional stupid social media posts and some mistakes during Covid. Guy is ranting every week on social media like an influencer.
And in his first term, he really stood by his promise of not getting America into unnecessary wars. While he criticised his allies for valid reasons, he never outraged anyone. Something definitely feels different this term.
Globally the landscape has shifted considerably. China is the US’s number 1 concern, Europe has proven to be as unprepared and weak as expected, Russia is clawing back lost territories, and Israel has been attacked.
In my opinion the US is feeling isolated and is making a play to stabilise its position of power as per the NSS. The outcome is aggressive policies, with an unpredictable leader who is needed to make it happen. The US is not under the control of POTUS alone.."
If the US feels isolated it's because of what Trump and his minions have done to isolate themselves, destroying historic relationships and trade agreements, criticising anyone and everyone who has an opinion different from their even people within their own government.
He's paranoid and delusional with a massive god complex. I fear that in his weakened state of mind he's going to start a global recession and worse global conflict resulting in the worst case scenario.
However I feel cooler more level headed people in Europe and China realise it's him rather than actual America causing all the damage. |
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Im not sure this will go as trump thinks, China will put pressure on possibly but won't acknowledge that to the Americans..
They will sit back and watch, Iran has shown that after weeks of air bombardment it still has capability and its known to have kit that can threaten surface vessels..
Esc0rting other nations tankers and stopping Iranian oil ones etc might be somewhat beyond America's resources in the area as well as protecting the carriers.. |
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"Im not sure this will go as trump thinks, China will put pressure on possibly but won't acknowledge that to the Americans..
They will sit back and watch, Iran has shown that after weeks of air bombardment it still has capability and its known to have kit that can threaten surface vessels..
Esc0rting other nations tankers and stopping Iranian oil ones etc might be somewhat beyond America's resources in the area as well as protecting the carriers.."
In his mind Trump is probably thinking that by esc orting ships he can then turn round and claim support from NATO countries as " so far,yes so far we've done it all alone, yes all alone with no help from anyone. We've conducted the best blockade in the history of mankind the best ever everyone is saying so. I'm now going to place further increases in tariffs on all goods and America will say I'm the bestest ever "
On a war they started!!
The worst part about all of this is the atrocities committed by the Iranian regime against its own people has been all but forgotten or at least pushed to the background whilst Trump gets all of the spotlight.
I really hope that people within the US government start growing some balls and get a conscience soon and work to remove him from power this megalomaniac gets even more out of control. |
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"BBC reporting Iran has now offered 5 year suspension of uranium enrichment so blockade already bearing fruit. No doubt Chinese pressure being exerted. "
After the first day..
It shows an acceptance that they need to move and will move from their previous position yet trump wanted 20 years straight away..
So continue talking..
Two weeks was the agreed ceasefire to negotiate..
Yet trump walks away and blockages..
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"Oil price seems pretty static.
Markets seem to be neutral or positive.
Not much freaking out going on aside from on this Forum."
Same price all week here. High for sure but about same as early days of Ukraine war. |
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Two weeks was the agreed ceasefire to negotiate..
This is how he negotiates..."
The thing is as you know is he's not dealing with a supplier or another business..
He keeps threatening;
'take Kharg island'..
'Destroy power and desalination plants'..
'Destroy their civilisation'..
All to try and bully Iran because hes out of his depth with no plan..
And they won't buckle to him..
If this is his art of the deal its no wonder he's been bankrupt so many times.. |
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Two weeks was the agreed ceasefire to negotiate..
This is how he negotiates...
The thing is as you know is he's not dealing with a supplier or another business..
He keeps threatening;
'take Kharg island'..
'Destroy power and desalination plants'..
'Destroy their civilisation'..
All to try and bully Iran because hes out of his depth with no plan..
And they won't buckle to him..
If this is his art of the deal its no wonder he's been bankrupt so many times.."
They should have surrendered by now ... It's been almost 24 hours 😱
Don't worry, Jesus will save us 😂 |
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Full oil price ramifications haven’t kicked in yet:
While March saw the delivery of cargo from the region "loaded well before the crisis started," IEA Executive Director Fatih Birol emphasised that "during the month of April, nothing has been loaded".
Oil prices do not yet reflect the severity of the unprecedented supply crisis caused by the Iran war, he added.
"I think soon we will see that they will converge, which is, of course, an extremely sensitive issue for the global economy," he said. |
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China, whilst not completely immune from the fallout aren’t in the worst position.
Plenty of reserves (compared to the likes of Korea)
Putin has offered to increase exports.
Beijing can continue to do little here, portraying itself as a reliable regime to do business with whilst the US paints itself into a corner looking more unhinged by the day. |
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"Full oil price ramifications haven’t kicked in yet:
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Oil prices do not yet reflect the severity of the unprecedented supply crisis..."
You now have the opportunity to make an insane amount of money on oil futures. |
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Two weeks was the agreed ceasefire to negotiate..
This is how he negotiates...
The thing is as you know is he's not dealing with a supplier or another business..
He keeps threatening;
'take Kharg island'..
'Destroy power and desalination plants'..
'Destroy their civilisation'..
All to try and bully Iran because hes out of his depth with no plan..
And they won't buckle to him..
If this is his art of the deal its no wonder he's been bankrupt so many times.."
He's a bully, and he doesn't care about bankruptcy. To even think he gives a crap is to not understand him. So long as he had money, power, women, respect (his version of it, in his own head), whatever... he's happy. He's emphatically not like normal people. Bankruptcy is a cynical tool. He sees bankruptcy as a smart play - like evading taxes. He might not be a good businessman in the classic sense, but he goes through life doing whatever he wants, and that's all he wants, damn the consequences. And many people are mesmerised by this "success". Hitler was Times man of the Year, and Stalin was twice. People are obsessed with people who project power, however good or evil.
The US knew exactly who he was when they voted him in. They voted for this roller coaster ride, hoping his "success" would better their lives. Perhaps it will work. Perhaps it won't. Nothing Trump does is surprising anymore.
Whether he's successful depends very much of your measure of success. |
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Trump is like force of nature. However "evil" he may be, it's just one man following his nature.
The true issue is all of the people around him, enabling and encouraging him, trying to harness a raw force. Starting with the Republican Party. |
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Two weeks was the agreed ceasefire to negotiate..
This is how he negotiates...
The thing is as you know is he's not dealing with a supplier or another business..
He keeps threatening;
'take Kharg island'..
'Destroy power and desalination plants'..
'Destroy their civilisation'..
All to try and bully Iran because hes out of his depth with no plan..
And they won't buckle to him..
If this is his art of the deal its no wonder he's been bankrupt so many times..
He's a bully, and he doesn't care about bankruptcy. To even think he gives a crap is to not understand him. So long as he had money, power, women, respect (his version of it, in his own head), whatever... he's happy. He's emphatically not like normal people. Bankruptcy is a cynical tool. He sees bankruptcy as a smart play - like evading taxes. He might not be a good businessman in the classic sense, but he goes through life doing whatever he wants, and that's all he wants, damn the consequences. And many people are mesmerised by this "success". Hitler was Times man of the Year, and Stalin was twice. People are obsessed with people who project power, however good or evil.
The US knew exactly who he was when they voted him in. They voted for this roller coaster ride, hoping his "success" would better their lives. Perhaps it will work. Perhaps it won't. Nothing Trump does is surprising anymore.
Whether he's successful depends very much of your measure of success."
Accurately put..
In some ways this, his second tenure might well be his last 'bankruptcy', from which he and his own will benefit on the back of the damage hes doing to not only his country but others..
His well publicised way of doing things where well known before his first term, for many the snake oil is a good buy..
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The moving goalposts of obsession are a thing of beauty indeed. From 'destroying a civilisation' and the 'new Vietnam' to 'stopping a few tankers' in less than a week. Truly he is the Great Dictator. |
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"The moving goalposts of obsession are a thing of beauty indeed. From 'destroying a civilisation' and the 'new Vietnam' to 'stopping a few tankers' in less than a week. Truly he is the Great Dictator."
No, he’s the Great Doctor now, as wasn’t portraying himself as Jesus apparently. Honest. |
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"The moving goalposts of obsession are a thing of beauty indeed. From 'destroying a civilisation' and the 'new Vietnam' to 'stopping a few tankers' in less than a week. Truly he is the Great Dictator.
No, he’s the Great Doctor now, as wasn’t portraying himself as Jesus apparently. Honest."
The 'doctor' who has saved so many lives..
If we ignore children in school etc.. |
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"Seems that us sanctioned Chinese tanker's have no problems passing through the blockade "
China don’t seem to be phased:
“Our ships are moving in and out of the waters of the Strait of Hormuz. We have trade & energy agreements with Iran. We will respect & honour them and expect others not to meddle in our affairs,” he said. “Iran controls the Strait of Hormuz, and it is open for us.”
Seriously, what is Trump gonna do if the Chinese decided to e$cort their tankers in & out of the Gulf? |
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"The moving goalposts of obsession are a thing of beauty indeed. From 'destroying a civilisation' and the 'new Vietnam' to 'stopping a few tankers' in less than a week. Truly he is the Great Dictator."
Your boy totally humiliated again by the Chinese 😂😂 |
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"The moving goalposts of obsession are a thing of beauty indeed. From 'destroying a civilisation' and the 'new Vietnam' to 'stopping a few tankers' in less than a week. Truly he is the Great Dictator."
Thank you for finally summarising the objectives of the war. I was beginning to wonder if there were any but I now can see you understood the strategic arc from day 1. |
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Two weeks was the agreed ceasefire to negotiate..
This is how he negotiates...
The thing is as you know is he's not dealing with a supplier or another business..
He keeps threatening;
'take Kharg island'..
'Destroy power and desalination plants'..
'Destroy their civilisation'..
All to try and bully Iran because hes out of his depth with no plan..
And they won't buckle to him..
If this is his art of the deal its no wonder he's been bankrupt so many times..
He's a bully, and he doesn't care about bankruptcy. To even think he gives a crap is to not understand him. So long as he had money, power, women, respect (his version of it, in his own head), whatever... he's happy. He's emphatically not like normal people. Bankruptcy is a cynical tool. He sees bankruptcy as a smart play - like evading taxes. He might not be a good businessman in the classic sense, but he goes through life doing whatever he wants, and that's all he wants, damn the consequences. And many people are mesmerised by this "success". Hitler was Times man of the Year, and Stalin was twice. People are obsessed with people who project power, however good or evil.
The US knew exactly who he was when they voted him in. They voted for this roller coaster ride, hoping his "success" would better their lives. Perhaps it will work. Perhaps it won't. Nothing Trump does is surprising anymore.
Whether he's successful depends very much of your measure of success."
He's what we call in the building trade and " chancer/ chance taker " relying on front and arrogance to get by, he has no idea of finances because he's never had to worry about money ,if I didn't know better I'd say he was an only child but he's not. |
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"BBC reporting Iran has now offered 5 year suspension of uranium enrichment so blockade already bearing fruit. No doubt Chinese pressure being exerted. "
It's a little confusing at present going by the BBC reports. Apparently 4 ships that were linked to Iran of which 2 used Iranian ports sailed through without problems. Now they report that at least 2 have turned around and are heading back. The US command claim 6 ships have been turn around. To be fair to the BBC they are relying on ship trackers that according to them can be made to give false positions or spoofing as they call it. Looks like the US are not stopping them in the straights itself but once they get out into the open seas. Probably to dangerous to go closer. Time will tell if the Americans are telling the truth about blockading or it's just a big hoax |
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"BBC reporting Iran has now offered 5 year suspension of uranium enrichment so blockade already bearing fruit. No doubt Chinese pressure being exerted.
It's a little confusing at present going by the BBC reports. Apparently 4 ships that were linked to Iran of which 2 used Iranian ports sailed through without problems. Now they report that at least 2 have turned around and are heading back. The US command claim 6 ships have been turn around. To be fair to the BBC they are relying on ship trackers that according to them can be made to give false positions or spoofing as they call it. Looks like the US are not stopping them in the straights itself but once they get out into the open seas. Probably to dangerous to go closer. Time will tell if the Americans are telling the truth about blockading or it's just a big hoax "
Yeah... Been wondering exactly the same thing. The reports don't align. |
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"BBC reporting Iran has now offered 5 year suspension of uranium enrichment so blockade already bearing fruit. No doubt Chinese pressure being exerted.
It's a little confusing at present going by the BBC reports. Apparently 4 ships that were linked to Iran of which 2 used Iranian ports sailed through without problems. Now they report that at least 2 have turned around and are heading back. The US command claim 6 ships have been turn around. To be fair to the BBC they are relying on ship trackers that according to them can be made to give false positions or spoofing as they call it. Looks like the US are not stopping them in the straights itself but once they get out into the open seas. Probably to dangerous to go closer. Time will tell if the Americans are telling the truth about blockading or it's just a big hoax
Yeah... Been wondering exactly the same thing. The reports don't align."
Its been that sort of conflict..
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"BBC reporting Iran has now offered 5 year suspension of uranium enrichment so blockade already bearing fruit. No doubt Chinese pressure being exerted.
It's a little confusing at present going by the BBC reports. Apparently 4 ships that were linked to Iran of which 2 used Iranian ports sailed through without problems. Now they report that at least 2 have turned around and are heading back. The US command claim 6 ships have been turn around. To be fair to the BBC they are relying on ship trackers that according to them can be made to give false positions or spoofing as they call it. Looks like the US are not stopping them in the straights itself but once they get out into the open seas. Probably to dangerous to go closer. Time will tell if the Americans are telling the truth about blockading or it's just a big hoax "
I think it depends on the base material of the ship, if it is plastic, very rectangular and modular it definitely sailed through. If it flew a flag of Iran or China it was blocked |
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"I think people may be missing a potentially important point.
From what I gather, Iran is demanding tariffs to be paid in Bitcoin – and other crypto.
Bitcoin is sanction-resistant currency that can cross borders instantly, with very little that can be done to stop it. It's traceable, but unstoppable.
So, shippers who pay these tolls risk violating sanctions, and therefore risk severe penalties.
I'm speculating here, but unchecked, I think it's possible for Iran to become an even more powerful holder of Bitcoin – and Trump potentially wants in on this; he realises the value of BTC as a future store of wealth and that this may send its value into space."
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"Yeah I would legit question his mental sanity at this point.
He's not changed one bit since 2015. He was just as much a crackpot then... But since then, he's been elected as president twice and caused some of the biggest waves in geopolitics since the 1940s. For all that the world has been calling him bonkers for years, his power is immense.
He is probably more a symptom and reflection of society than anything else. Some people see him as chaotic entertainment, some mine him for opportunity and everyone else gets swept away.
Was his first term as disruptive though? He had his moments, the occasional stupid social media posts and some mistakes during Covid. Guy is ranting every week on social media like an influencer.
And in his first term, he really stood by his promise of not getting America into unnecessary wars. While he criticised his allies for valid reasons, he never outraged anyone. Something definitely feels different this term.
Globally the landscape has shifted considerably. China is the US’s number 1 concern, Europe has proven to be as unprepared and weak as expected, Russia is clawing back lost territories, and Israel has been attacked.
In my opinion the US is feeling isolated and is making a play to stabilise its position of power as per the NSS. The outcome is aggressive policies, with an unpredictable leader who is needed to make it happen. The US is not under the control of POTUS alone.."
God love the patriots.
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"Yeah I would legit question his mental sanity at this point.
He's not changed one bit since 2015. He was just as much a crackpot then... But since then, he's been elected as president twice and caused some of the biggest waves in geopolitics since the 1940s. For all that the world has been calling him bonkers for years, his power is immense.
He is probably more a symptom and reflection of society than anything else. Some people see him as chaotic entertainment, some mine him for opportunity and everyone else gets swept away.
Was his first term as disruptive though? He had his moments, the occasional stupid social media posts and some mistakes during Covid. Guy is ranting every week on social media like an influencer.
And in his first term, he really stood by his promise of not getting America into unnecessary wars. While he criticised his allies for valid reasons, he never outraged anyone. Something definitely feels different this term.
Globally the landscape has shifted considerably. China is the US’s number 1 concern, Europe has proven to be as unprepared and weak as expected, Russia is clawing back lost territories, and Israel has been attacked.
In my opinion the US is feeling isolated and is making a play to stabilise its position of power as per the NSS. The outcome is aggressive policies, with an unpredictable leader who is needed to make it happen. The US is not under the control of POTUS alone..
God love the patriots.
How is Europe weak, by not wanting to kill people in the middle east for absolutely no raised threat than they've been for the past 50 years?"
Do you really believe my mention of Europe being weak was in relation to not killing people in the middle east...
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"Yeah I would legit question his mental sanity at this point.
He's not changed one bit since 2015. He was just as much a crackpot then... But since then, he's been elected as president twice and caused some of the biggest waves in geopolitics since the 1940s. For all that the world has been calling him bonkers for years, his power is immense.
He is probably more a symptom and reflection of society than anything else. Some people see him as chaotic entertainment, some mine him for opportunity and everyone else gets swept away.
Was his first term as disruptive though? He had his moments, the occasional stupid social media posts and some mistakes during Covid. Guy is ranting every week on social media like an influencer.
And in his first term, he really stood by his promise of not getting America into unnecessary wars. While he criticised his allies for valid reasons, he never outraged anyone. Something definitely feels different this term.
Globally the landscape has shifted considerably. China is the US’s number 1 concern, Europe has proven to be as unprepared and weak as expected, Russia is clawing back lost territories, and Israel has been attacked.
In my opinion the US is feeling isolated and is making a play to stabilise its position of power as per the NSS. The outcome is aggressive policies, with an unpredictable leader who is needed to make it happen. The US is not under the control of POTUS alone..
God love the patriots.
How is Europe weak, by not wanting to kill people in the middle east for absolutely no raised threat than they've been for the past 50 years?
Do you really believe my mention of Europe being weak was in relation to not killing people in the middle east...
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Then how is it weak?
European leaders have stood up to the orange bully.
The Hungarian people have overcome grate barriers to repudiate Nigel's most admired politician Trump.
Meloni has come under fire for defending and American pope.
It's not Europe showing weakness!
It's those old men terrified of memento mori in Washington and Moscow |
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"Yeah I would legit question his mental sanity at this point.
He's not changed one bit since 2015. He was just as much a crackpot then... But since then, he's been elected as president twice and caused some of the biggest waves in geopolitics since the 1940s. For all that the world has been calling him bonkers for years, his power is immense.
He is probably more a symptom and reflection of society than anything else. Some people see him as chaotic entertainment, some mine him for opportunity and everyone else gets swept away.
Was his first term as disruptive though? He had his moments, the occasional stupid social media posts and some mistakes during Covid. Guy is ranting every week on social media like an influencer.
And in his first term, he really stood by his promise of not getting America into unnecessary wars. While he criticised his allies for valid reasons, he never outraged anyone. Something definitely feels different this term.
Globally the landscape has shifted considerably. China is the US’s number 1 concern, Europe has proven to be as unprepared and weak as expected, Russia is clawing back lost territories, and Israel has been attacked.
In my opinion the US is feeling isolated and is making a play to stabilise its position of power as per the NSS. The outcome is aggressive policies, with an unpredictable leader who is needed to make it happen. The US is not under the control of POTUS alone..
God love the patriots.
How is Europe weak, by not wanting to kill people in the middle east for absolutely no raised threat than they've been for the past 50 years?
Do you really believe my mention of Europe being weak was in relation to not killing people in the middle east...
Then how is it weak?
European leaders have stood up to the orange bully.
The Hungarian people have overcome grate barriers to repudiate Nigel's most admired politician Trump.
Meloni has come under fire for defending and American pope.
It's not Europe showing weakness!
It's those old men terrified of memento mori in Washington and Moscow "
If your lens is purely partisan I can’t help. However, my point was about Europe’s lack of capability from both a military and political perspective. |
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Globally the landscape has shifted considerably. China is the US’s number 1 concern, Europe has proven to be as unprepared and weak as expected, Russia is clawing back lost territories, and Israel has been attacked.
In my opinion the US is feeling isolated and is making a play to stabilise its position of power as per the NSS. The outcome is aggressive policies, with an unpredictable leader who is needed to make it happen. The US is not under the control of POTUS alone..
God love the patriots.
How is Europe weak, by not wanting to kill people in the middle east for absolutely no raised threat than they've been for the past 50 years?
Do you really believe my mention of Europe being weak was in relation to not killing people in the middle east...
Then how is it weak?
European leaders have stood up to the orange bully.
The Hungarian people have overcome grate barriers to repudiate Nigel's most admired politician Trump.
Meloni has come under fire for defending and American pope.
It's not Europe showing weakness!
It's those old men terrified of memento mori in Washington and Moscow "
To be fair, Europe has only started to grow a backbone in the past few weeks. For the last year and bit it has not been the most edifying display of national sovereignty.
At least we can now look at the collective failure of decades of leadership from all parties and maybe reassess. Not that I think we will learn much and will change even less. |
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"Yeah I would legit question his mental sanity at this point.
He's not changed one bit since 2015. He was just as much a crackpot then... But since then, he's been elected as president twice and caused some of the biggest waves in geopolitics since the 1940s. For all that the world has been calling him bonkers for years, his power is immense.
He is probably more a symptom and reflection of society than anything else. Some people see him as chaotic entertainment, some mine him for opportunity and everyone else gets swept away.
Was his first term as disruptive though? He had his moments, the occasional stupid social media posts and some mistakes during Covid. Guy is ranting every week on social media like an influencer.
And in his first term, he really stood by his promise of not getting America into unnecessary wars. While he criticised his allies for valid reasons, he never outraged anyone. Something definitely feels different this term.
Globally the landscape has shifted considerably. China is the US’s number 1 concern, Europe has proven to be as unprepared and weak as expected, Russia is clawing back lost territories, and Israel has been attacked.
In my opinion the US is feeling isolated and is making a play to stabilise its position of power as per the NSS. The outcome is aggressive policies, with an unpredictable leader who is needed to make it happen. The US is not under the control of POTUS alone..
God love the patriots.
How is Europe weak, by not wanting to kill people in the middle east for absolutely no raised threat than they've been for the past 50 years?
Do you really believe my mention of Europe being weak was in relation to not killing people in the middle east...
Then how is it weak?
European leaders have stood up to the orange bully.
The Hungarian people have overcome grate barriers to repudiate Nigel's most admired politician Trump.
Meloni has come under fire for defending and American pope.
It's not Europe showing weakness!
It's those old men terrified of memento mori in Washington and Moscow
If your lens is purely partisan I can’t help. However, my point was about Europe’s lack of capability from both a military and political perspective. "
Military against what?
We aren't under military attack. Are we where we should be no!
But hey 14 years of austerity is hard to turn around, granted I remember stories of troops not having the equipment needed under Blair too, so undeniable we've been lacking for a while.
However, is and France are still capable, and we should ramp up capabilities.
But to say Europe is weak when it has 2 nuclear powers, Norway, Finland and Ukraine is just talking us down! |
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Globally the landscape has shifted considerably. China is the US’s number 1 concern, Europe has proven to be as unprepared and weak as expected, Russia is clawing back lost territories, and Israel has been attacked.
In my opinion the US is feeling isolated and is making a play to stabilise its position of power as per the NSS. The outcome is aggressive policies, with an unpredictable leader who is needed to make it happen. The US is not under the control of POTUS alone..
God love the patriots.
How is Europe weak, by not wanting to kill people in the middle east for absolutely no raised threat than they've been for the past 50 years?
Do you really believe my mention of Europe being weak was in relation to not killing people in the middle east...
Then how is it weak?
European leaders have stood up to the orange bully.
The Hungarian people have overcome grate barriers to repudiate Nigel's most admired politician Trump.
Meloni has come under fire for defending and American pope.
It's not Europe showing weakness!
It's those old men terrified of memento mori in Washington and Moscow
To be fair, Europe has only started to grow a backbone in the past few weeks. For the last year and bit it has not been the most edifying display of national sovereignty.
At least we can now look at the collective failure of decades of leadership from all parties and maybe reassess. Not that I think we will learn much and will change even less."
I don't disagree I wish we got to this position sooner, Pedro in Spain has been clear eyed for while. It is harder for Britain because our trade will be affected. Easier for Pedro being protected by the EU, not sure what took the north so long because they are also protected by the EU |
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"Yeah I would legit question his mental sanity at this point.
He's not changed one bit since 2015. He was just as much a crackpot then... But since then, he's been elected as president twice and caused some of the biggest waves in geopolitics since the 1940s. For all that the world has been calling him bonkers for years, his power is immense.
He is probably more a symptom and reflection of society than anything else. Some people see him as chaotic entertainment, some mine him for opportunity and everyone else gets swept away.
Was his first term as disruptive though? He had his moments, the occasional stupid social media posts and some mistakes during Covid. Guy is ranting every week on social media like an influencer.
And in his first term, he really stood by his promise of not getting America into unnecessary wars. While he criticised his allies for valid reasons, he never outraged anyone. Something definitely feels different this term.
Globally the landscape has shifted considerably. China is the US’s number 1 concern, Europe has proven to be as unprepared and weak as expected, Russia is clawing back lost territories, and Israel has been attacked.
In my opinion the US is feeling isolated and is making a play to stabilise its position of power as per the NSS. The outcome is aggressive policies, with an unpredictable leader who is needed to make it happen. The US is not under the control of POTUS alone..
God love the patriots.
How is Europe weak, by not wanting to kill people in the middle east for absolutely no raised threat than they've been for the past 50 years?
Do you really believe my mention of Europe being weak was in relation to not killing people in the middle east...
Then how is it weak?
European leaders have stood up to the orange bully.
The Hungarian people have overcome grate barriers to repudiate Nigel's most admired politician Trump.
Meloni has come under fire for defending and American pope.
It's not Europe showing weakness!
It's those old men terrified of memento mori in Washington and Moscow
If your lens is purely partisan I can’t help. However, my point was about Europe’s lack of capability from both a military and political perspective.
Military against what?
We aren't under military attack. Are we where we should be no!
But hey 14 years of austerity is hard to turn around, granted I remember stories of troops not having the equipment needed under Blair too, so undeniable we've been lacking for a while.
However, is and France are still capable, and we should ramp up capabilities.
But to say Europe is weak when it has 2 nuclear powers, Norway, Finland and Ukraine is just talking us down!"
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Exactly, so who got that money?
It wasn't the public realm.
You seen lady mone recently?
It's also why we can't weather storms, the markets don't trust us, especially after Truss.
But please tell us how it's labour that can't handle money |
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"Yeah I would legit question his mental sanity at this point.
He's not changed one bit since 2015. He was just as much a crackpot then... But since then, he's been elected as president twice and caused some of the biggest waves in geopolitics since the 1940s. For all that the world has been calling him bonkers for years, his power is immense.
He is probably more a symptom and reflection of society than anything else. Some people see him as chaotic entertainment, some mine him for opportunity and everyone else gets swept away.
Was his first term as disruptive though? He had his moments, the occasional stupid social media posts and some mistakes during Covid. Guy is ranting every week on social media like an influencer.
And in his first term, he really stood by his promise of not getting America into unnecessary wars. While he criticised his allies for valid reasons, he never outraged anyone. Something definitely feels different this term.
Globally the landscape has shifted considerably. China is the US’s number 1 concern, Europe has proven to be as unprepared and weak as expected, Russia is clawing back lost territories, and Israel has been attacked.
In my opinion the US is feeling isolated and is making a play to stabilise its position of power as per the NSS. The outcome is aggressive policies, with an unpredictable leader who is needed to make it happen. The US is not under the control of POTUS alone..
God love the patriots.
How is Europe weak, by not wanting to kill people in the middle east for absolutely no raised threat than they've been for the past 50 years?
Do you really believe my mention of Europe being weak was in relation to not killing people in the middle east...
Then how is it weak?
European leaders have stood up to the orange bully.
The Hungarian people have overcome grate barriers to repudiate Nigel's most admired politician Trump.
Meloni has come under fire for defending and American pope.
It's not Europe showing weakness!
It's those old men terrified of memento mori in Washington and Moscow
If your lens is purely partisan I can’t help. However, my point was about Europe’s lack of capability from both a military and political perspective.
Military against what?
We aren't under military attack. Are we where we should be no!
But hey 14 years of austerity is hard to turn around, granted I remember stories of troops not having the equipment needed under Blair too, so undeniable we've been lacking for a while.
However, is and France are still capable, and we should ramp up capabilities.
But to say Europe is weak when it has 2 nuclear powers, Norway, Finland and Ukraine is just talking us down!
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Government debt 2024: £2.6 trillion
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And US debt increased more
2010 $13.6 trillion
2024 $35 trillion
France
2010 €1.6 trillion
2924 €3.4 trillion
So the UK didn't do too bad or is less worse 🤔
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Government debt 2010: £1.1 trillion
Government debt 2024: £2.6 trillion
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Government debt 2019: £1.8 trillion
‘It waz Covid’
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The OBR puts the cost of government related support during COVID at £311 billion.
So no. It “wazn’t covid”. Even on your numbers what you are saying makes no sense. |
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Government debt 2010: £1.1 trillion
Government debt 2024: £2.6 trillion
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Government debt 2019: £1.8 trillion
‘It waz Covid’
The OBR puts the cost of government related support during COVID at £311 billion.
So no. It “wazn’t covid”. Even on your numbers what you are saying makes no sense."
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A few heavy politics posters have gone UNLOS recently. Maybe the mods are taking a sterner line."
I thought you only get a forum ban for those things. Didn't know that the entire profile can be off'ed. |
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I think it will work, prices will go up either way. Being pro active is better than speeching out why we are not getting involved (Starmer).
Had Labour been in power with the Falklands we would still be sailing there via China.
America learned from Pearl Harbour standing off is more costly.
Vietnam would have worked but too much indecisiveness cost.
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"I see tall had left the building.
A few heavy politics posters have gone UNLOS recently. Maybe the mods are taking a sterner line."
I don’t think he said anything that would generate a ban.l from what I saw. He was slightly fixated on a view point but always well meaning as far as I could tell.
As with all UNLOSers wish him the best. |
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"I think people may be missing a potentially important point.
From what I gather, Iran is demanding tariffs to be paid in Bitcoin – and other crypto.
Bitcoin is sanction-resistant currency that can cross borders instantly, with very little that can be done to stop it. It's traceable, but unstoppable.
So, shippers who pay these tolls risk violating sanctions, and therefore risk severe penalties.
I'm speculating here, but unchecked, I think it's possible for Iran to become an even more powerful holder of Bitcoin – and Trump potentially wants in on this; he realises the value of BTC as a future store of wealth and that this may send its value into space.
Cope or hope?"
Not sure what you mean by that response, but (in spite of being in a bear market) I've seen the price of bitcoin rise from £50,000 to £57,000 since Iran closed the Straits. Volatility is normal, but this little rise seems to be related.
I don't support the Iranian regime, but BTC cannot be seized, which makes it a unique store of wealth.
As a "safe haven" asset, large-scale adoption will represent a shift from a speculative asset to a functional, non-state-controlled currency.
If that continues to gain traction it will be a game changer for decentralised digital currency – and the only truly "untouchable" crypto is bitcoin, due to the 21 million cap being hardcoded into the blockchain. |
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