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If we are allowed to discuss politics here.
Surely this is now the time to change the way our country is run. A man stabbed and actually dying in front of police is called a liar as he fights his last breath while his attacker looks on claiming him to be a racist. The police are told to arrest anybody that is accused of racism WITHOUT knowing the facts.
This country has now gone so far wrong I fear it may NEVER be put right again. |
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By *wcjw70Man 3 days ago
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"If we are allowed to discuss politics here.
Surely this is now the time to change the way our country is run. A man stabbed and actually dying in front of police is called a liar as he fights his last breath while his attacker looks on claiming him to be a racist. The police are told to arrest anybody that is accused of racism WITHOUT knowing the facts.
This country has now gone so far wrong I fear it may NEVER be put right again. "
so what would putting it right look like to you? |
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There's a politics section of the forums.
But my view is that there's going to be an inquiry about the police handling, mistakes have been made and the outcome has been a tragedy, but I'm confident changes will be made as a result.
And people shouldn't be using the tragic death of anyone to stir up hatred and division. |
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"There's a politics section of the forums.
But my view is that there's going to be an inquiry about the police handling, mistakes have been made and the outcome has been a tragedy, but I'm confident changes will be made as a result.
And people shouldn't be using the tragic death of anyone to stir up hatred and division. "
Good answer and 100% agree! |
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"There's a politics section of the forums.
But my view is that there's going to be an inquiry about the police handling, mistakes have been made and the outcome has been a tragedy, but I'm confident changes will be made as a result.
And people shouldn't be using the tragic death of anyone to stir up hatred and division. "
Well said ronin. |
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The body cam footage is very distressing. The boy clearly needed help. He could barely talk and was telling the officers that he’d been stabbed. The officers response was “no you haven’t mate” while he handcuffed him and read his rights.
It’s sickening to watch and I’m not surprised that people are angry. |
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The actions of a few do not dictate the morality of the majority.
The fact that you are pointing to this event as a way to drive a wedge in society means that this is a stand out moment therefore affirming it’s an isolated incident which counter acts your argument in the first place.
Britain has values including respect and tolerance. You my good sir are not showing tolerance and I fear neither would you be showing respect as what you are commenting goes against the expressed wishes of the parents of this young man |
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"There's a politics section of the forums.
But my view is that there's going to be an inquiry about the police handling, mistakes have been made and the outcome has been a tragedy, but I'm confident changes will be made as a result.
And people shouldn't be using the tragic death of anyone to stir up hatred and division. "
Like George Floyd… you mean? |
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"The actions of a few do not dictate the morality of the majority.
The fact that you are pointing to this event as a way to drive a wedge in society means that this is a stand out moment therefore affirming it’s an isolated incident which counter acts your argument in the first place.
Britain has values including respect and tolerance. You my good sir are not showing tolerance and I fear neither would you be showing respect as what you are commenting goes against the expressed wishes of the parents of this young man"
It is NOT a stand out isolated incident. The proof is highlighted in the video clip where a white man is called a liar whilst two Asian men that are actually lying are watching on.
There is a two tier system regarding police in this country and has been getting progressively worse since Kier has been in power.
If you (or anybody) doesn’t see it or believe it then just go a little deeper than the BBC news or the daily papers that are restricted on what they can and can’t say.
This incident alone was kept under the radar.
The airport incident where a video shows a racist attack and a white policewoman got punched in the face so hard it broke her jaw.
The Southport stabbings where it was CLEARLY a racist incident and we were told it wasn’t. It t has since been proven.
The multiple child rxpe gangs that are predominately carried out with Asian men at the forefront.
This is NOT an isolated incident. Trust me those that go on about right wing (NO SUCH THING) gangs are part of the problem NOT the solution.
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"The actions of a few do not dictate the morality of the majority.
The fact that you are pointing to this event as a way to drive a wedge in society means that this is a stand out moment therefore affirming it’s an isolated incident which counter acts your argument in the first place.
Britain has values including respect and tolerance. You my good sir are not showing tolerance and I fear neither would you be showing respect as what you are commenting goes against the expressed wishes of the parents of this young man"
The left want to discuss this topic openly and honestly…and on their terms.
Unless you agree with them you wish ‘to drive a wedge in society’.
Henry’s death is political unfortunately because pretty much everything is political these days.
The moderators have moved this into politics FFS!
The dismissive and uncaring ‘no you haven’t mate’ attitude came from a police officer who's probably an ‘anti-racist straight ally of the gay community’.
Someone who’s so full of critical race theory training that he can’t believe for a single moment that a white person could be a victim of violence at the hands of a person of colour.
He’s probably the one who’s resigned so as to avoid being investigated!
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"The actions of a few do not dictate the morality of the majority.
The fact that you are pointing to this event as a way to drive a wedge in society means that this is a stand out moment therefore affirming it’s an isolated incident which counter acts your argument in the first place.
Britain has values including respect and tolerance. You my good sir are not showing tolerance and I fear neither would you be showing respect as what you are commenting goes against the expressed wishes of the parents of this young man
It is NOT a stand out isolated incident. The proof is highlighted in the video clip where a white man is called a liar whilst two Asian men that are actually lying are watching on.
There is a two tier system regarding police in this country and has been getting progressively worse since Kier has been in power.
If you (or anybody) doesn’t see it or believe it then just go a little deeper than the BBC news or the daily papers that are restricted on what they can and can’t say.
This incident alone was kept under the radar.
The airport incident where a video shows a racist attack and a white policewoman got punched in the face so hard it broke her jaw.
The Southport stabbings where it was CLEARLY a racist incident and we were told it wasn’t. It t has since been proven.
The multiple child rxpe gangs that are predominately carried out with Asian men at the forefront.
This is NOT an isolated incident. Trust me those that go on about right wing (NO SUCH THING) gangs are part of the problem NOT the solution.
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Again the fact you can name them says they are isolated incidents not daily incidents.
The police policy was changed to bring about equality not to create a 2 tier system as you suggest.
Why was this changed needed? Because of the unfair profiling of certain minorities that was creating a 2 tier system.
I’m not saying what happened is right and I certainly don’t condone or defend the actions of the police officers on scene. What I am trying to say is that the police officers actions were his alone and don’t represent the wider force. The same as the attacker doesn’t represent the Sikh community. |
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‘Multiculturalism in this country has failed. It is dead. Instead we should be focussing on what we have in common.'
Political activist and journalist, Maajid Nawaz.
I think he’s right in that multiculturalism has failed.
That’s not to say we can’t have a multiracial society that works, it’s when different cultures collide that we have, and will always have, problems.
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As said in the other thread, clearly the police response was awful and needs investigating.
Surely the process at a scene is that if anyone is in any kind of distress, then it's taken seriously and the wellbeing of everyone at the scene needs to be established.
Farage and Yaxley Lennon trying to stir up hatred, people going off on weird DEI hire tangents, talking about critical race theory and actively doing exactly what the family of the poor boy said they didn't want is heartbreaking. Just leaves me feeling completely hopeless as it's absolutely vile and I don't really see what can be done to stop the spread of this. |
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AGP SUB01
If you can’t see that DEI is part of the problem, then no wonder you feel helpless.
Farage and Robinson are correct, but throwing wheelie bins at policemen and women isn’t the answer although I totally get the anger.
This is often the reaction to such incidents.
Maybe Hampshire police should’ve taken the knee rather than get their riot gear on.
That would’ve taken some heat out of the situation. |
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"AGP SUB01
If you can’t see that DEI is part of the problem, then no wonder you feel helpless.
Farage and Robinson are correct, but throwing wheelie bins at policemen and women isn’t the answer although I totally get the anger.
This is often the reaction to such incidents.
Maybe Hampshire police should’ve taken the knee rather than get their riot gear on.
That would’ve taken some heat out of the situation."
You're stating that as fact when you have absolutely no idea.
The police turned up to a scene where the murderer and their family accused the actual victim of racism. Police can't just ignore that. What was despicable is their lack of action in caring for victim who was clearly in distress. What you're doing is saying this is because the police force has become woke, the police in question are only there because they're DEI hires when there is no evidence for this.
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AGP SUB01
So Henry was just collateral damage in the culture wars and the accusation of racism was more important than ‘I’ve been stabbed…I can’t breathe…’?
You’re just trying to justify why a callous police officer allowed a badly injured man to go untreated.
As long as the DEI gravy train continues, all is ok as far as you’re concerned? |
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"AGP SUB01
So Henry was just collateral damage in the culture wars and the accusation of racism was more important than ‘I’ve been stabbed…I can’t breathe…’?
You’re just trying to justify why a callous police officer allowed a badly injured man to go untreated.
As long as the DEI gravy train continues, all is ok as far as you’re concerned?"
That's 100% not what I said.
I specifically said the way that the police dealt with it was horrific. If there's a boy lying on the ground claiming he's been stabbed and can't breath, then you have to be sick to react in the way that they did. What I'm saying is all the additional noise about two tier policing, DEI hires, critical race theory is something you have decided is to blame without any evidence.
I'm not justifying their response in any way whatsoever. I'm no fan of the police. I would hope that the investigation and the results of it punish them severely. |
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How much training do the police need.
Common sense should be the order of the day.
If it was me in the officers shoes I would say fuck protocol and get an ambulance or even better drive him to AnE
The Officer fucked up, and badly.
As for the perpetrator, life, 21yrs is not nearly enough even if he was racially attacked as he claims.
He should gone to the Police, not take the law into his own hands.
Ceremonial knives are ceremonial, for display not for self defence or attack.
He's let the Sikh religion and people down severely.
I do feel a bit of sympathy or Sikhs generally as they were taking alot of flak after 9/11, getting mistaken for Afghans/Muslim. Still doesn't excuse stabbing someone 5 times.
As a foot note, Sikhs should drop the knives and Turbans and wear a helmet on moped/bikes for health n safety.
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Carakiss12
I agree about the turban and knife issues you raise, but that ship sailed as it were in the 50s when these people were invited, yes invited, to come here and work and help replace those killed during World War Two.
If the government of the day wanted migrants to leave their cultures behind, that was their opportunity to do so.
We’ve no chance in the here and now to say to anyone that their culture isn’t compatible with ours. |
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AGP SUB01
You’re trying to see two very different things as the same.
Critical race theory and DEI has no place in modern life and certainly not in the police force.
DEI has essentially resulted in activists as police officers rather than just decent people wanting the law upheld. |
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"AGP SUB01
You’re trying to see two very different things as the same.
Critical race theory and DEI has no place in modern life and certainly not in the police force.
DEI has essentially resulted in activists as police officers rather than just decent people wanting the law upheld."
DEI hasnt resulted in activists as police officers. There is no evidence of this whatsoever.
Neither of the points above have any link to this particular case. |
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"AGP SUB01
You’re in Malaga and clearly have no idea what’s really going on here.
I suggest you stay where you are.
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You're the one taking a horrific murder and concocting scenarios in your head and applying them, not me. |
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"Carakiss12
I agree about the turban and knife issues you raise, but that ship sailed as it were in the 50s when these people were invited, yes invited, to come here and work and help replace those killed during World War Two.
If the government of the day wanted migrants to leave their cultures behind, that was their opportunity to do so.
We’ve no chance in the here and now to say to anyone that their culture isn’t compatible with ours."
Sikh culture is supremely compatible with British values/culture. Not identical (not should it have to be), but the Sikh community is well-adjusted here, sitting alongside traditional British culture. Especially since they are non-evangelical. If you want to go after cultures, there are definitely less compatible ones. |
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NPCC has said they are reviewing their anti-racism guidance:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c392gj41pgpo
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"The Independent Office for Police Conduct's (IOPC) is reviewing a guidance document from the National Police Chiefs' Council, external which says its goal of "producing equality of policing outcomes... does not mean treating everyone 'the same' or being 'colour blind'..."."
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I wonder what "equality of policing outcomes" means here. |
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By *erryMan 3 days ago
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"The actions of a few do not dictate the morality of the majority.
The fact that you are pointing to this event as a way to drive a wedge in society means that this is a stand out moment therefore affirming it’s an isolated incident which counter acts your argument in the first place.
Britain has values including respect and tolerance. You my good sir are not showing tolerance and I fear neither would you be showing respect as what you are commenting goes against the expressed wishes of the parents of this young man"
Well said . |
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By *erryMan 3 days ago
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"The actions of a few do not dictate the morality of the majority.
The fact that you are pointing to this event as a way to drive a wedge in society means that this is a stand out moment therefore affirming it’s an isolated incident which counter acts your argument in the first place.
Britain has values including respect and tolerance. You my good sir are not showing tolerance and I fear neither would you be showing respect as what you are commenting goes against the expressed wishes of the parents of this young man
The left want to discuss this topic openly and honestly…and on their terms.
Unless you agree with them you wish ‘to drive a wedge in society’.
Henry’s death is political unfortunately because pretty much everything is political these days.
The moderators have moved this into politics FFS!
The dismissive and uncaring ‘no you haven’t mate’ attitude came from a police officer who's probably an ‘anti-racist straight ally of the gay community’.
Someone who’s so full of critical race theory training that he can’t believe for a single moment that a white person could be a victim of violence at the hands of a person of colour.
He’s probably the one who’s resigned so as to avoid being investigated!
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You keep saying 'probably' - clearly you don't know what happened, why or how. None of us do - yet.
Let's not enflame the situation by stirring up Ill informed angry comment until we know more. |
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"There's a politics section of the forums.
But my view is that there's going to be an inquiry about the police handling, mistakes have been made and the outcome has been a tragedy, but I'm confident changes will be made as a result.
And people shouldn't be using the tragic death of anyone to stir up hatred and division. "
This is the right answer all day long |
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"Tress Mell, I’m talking about cultural differences in general but I doubt Sikhs on motorbikes without helmets in the 50s was seen as ‘supremely compatible’ with British life.
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Tolerance happens where we don't like or agree with something, but make an allowance to balance harmony with a respect for the (sub-optimal/wrong from our perspective) views or actions of others.
It's what allows (or should allow) eating meat, sport hunting, religions that conflict with our own or lack thereof, playing violent or risky sports, riding a bike without a helmet... Sure, we could legislate against some or all of those. We need to draw a line somewhere along the spectrum of "I'm not sure about that" to "no, you cannot kill someone because they look funny". If you look at the general values of many communities for whom we have exceptions or tolerance, they might be a little different in some ways, but are generally productive, patriotic and law-abiding. It's worth relaxing our rules slightly for this kind of tolerance.
This is just an opinion, some will disagree - and that's fine. |
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"There's a politics section of the forums.
But my view is that there's going to be an inquiry about the police handling, mistakes have been made and the outcome has been a tragedy, but I'm confident changes will be made as a result.
And people shouldn't be using the tragic death of anyone to stir up hatred and division.
This is the right answer all day long "
I wish followed the same advice when George Floyd killing happened too. That one didn't even happen in the UK. And yet the we had politicians, footballers and large group of protestors politicising it in the UK for no reason. |
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"There's a politics section of the forums.
But my view is that there's going to be an inquiry about the police handling, mistakes have been made and the outcome has been a tragedy, but I'm confident changes will be made as a result.
And people shouldn't be using the tragic death of anyone to stir up hatred and division.
This is the right answer all day long
I wish followed the same advice when George Floyd killing happened too. That one didn't even happen in the UK. And yet the we had politicians, footballers and large group of protestors politicising it in the UK for no reason."
George Floyd was the 164th black person to be killed by the police in 8 months of 2020.
I don't know why you insist on comparing these two incidents and the response to it. |
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"There's a politics section of the forums.
But my view is that there's going to be an inquiry about the police handling, mistakes have been made and the outcome has been a tragedy, but I'm confident changes will be made as a result.
And people shouldn't be using the tragic death of anyone to stir up hatred and division.
This is the right answer all day long
I wish followed the same advice when George Floyd killing happened too. That one didn't even happen in the UK. And yet the we had politicians, footballers and large group of protestors politicising it in the UK for no reason."
Shit-stirring & virtue signalling.
Which doesn't take away from the reality of racism in US policing, but the import of foreign problems was a little silly. Better to understand and deal with our real problems.
A bit like how US political tribalism comes over here and you end up with people on both the Left & Right arguing for/against issues we don't actually have. |
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"There's a politics section of the forums.
But my view is that there's going to be an inquiry about the police handling, mistakes have been made and the outcome has been a tragedy, but I'm confident changes will be made as a result.
And people shouldn't be using the tragic death of anyone to stir up hatred and division.
This is the right answer all day long
I wish followed the same advice when George Floyd killing happened too. That one didn't even happen in the UK. And yet the we had politicians, footballers and large group of protestors politicising it in the UK for no reason.
George Floyd was the 164th black person to be killed by the police in 8 months of 2020.
I don't know why you insist on comparing these two incidents and the response to it. "
In the US. Not in the UK. If you want to lecture other people that they shouldn't politicise these events, you shouldn't have politicised such events in the first place, especially an event that didn't even happen in the UK. |
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"There's a politics section of the forums.
But my view is that there's going to be an inquiry about the police handling, mistakes have been made and the outcome has been a tragedy, but I'm confident changes will be made as a result.
And people shouldn't be using the tragic death of anyone to stir up hatred and division.
This is the right answer all day long
I wish followed the same advice when George Floyd killing happened too. That one didn't even happen in the UK. And yet the we had politicians, footballers and large group of protestors politicising it in the UK for no reason.
George Floyd was the 164th black person to be killed by the police in 8 months of 2020.
I don't know why you insist on comparing these two incidents and the response to it.
In the US. Not in the UK. If you want to lecture other people that they shouldn't politicise these events, you shouldn't have politicised such events in the first place, especially an event that didn't even happen in the UK."
Yes it was a worldwide response to say enough is enough in part because clearly the message was not being heard.
Using the murder of a young boy stoke racial tensions, talk nonsense about DEI hires and two tier policing, is not the same and the family themselves have asked people not to do this. |
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I wish followed the same advice when George Floyd killing happened too. That one didn't even happen in the UK. And yet the we had politicians, footballers and large group of protestors politicising it in the UK for no reason.
Shit-stirring & virtue signalling.
Which doesn't take away from the reality of racism in US policing, but the import of foreign problems was a little silly. Better to understand and deal with our real problems.
A bit like how US political tribalism comes over here and you end up with people on both the Left & Right arguing for/against issues we don't actually have."
Exactly! There was no reason why celebs, footballers and politicians in the UK had to do those stunts for something that happened in the US. There was no reason why they had to protest outside during a pandemic. If I remember correctly, footballers who didn't take the knee were scrutinised harshly by both traditional and social media.
To keep things in balance, there is no reason why the likes of Farage have to talk about Charlie Kirk in the commons either.
People did all this and are surprised that the Henry Nowak incident that actually has something to do with the UK has been politicised. |
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"There's a politics section of the forums.
But my view is that there's going to be an inquiry about the police handling, mistakes have been made and the outcome has been a tragedy, but I'm confident changes will be made as a result.
And people shouldn't be using the tragic death of anyone to stir up hatred and division.
This is the right answer all day long
I wish followed the same advice when George Floyd killing happened too. That one didn't even happen in the UK. And yet the we had politicians, footballers and large group of protestors politicising it in the UK for no reason.
George Floyd was the 164th black person to be killed by the police in 8 months of 2020.
I don't know why you insist on comparing these two incidents and the response to it.
In the US. Not in the UK. If you want to lecture other people that they shouldn't politicise these events, you shouldn't have politicised such events in the first place, especially an event that didn't even happen in the UK.
Yes it was a worldwide response to say enough is enough in part because clearly the message was not being heard.
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Worldwide response? 
Most countries did not give a fuck about that incident because there was a raging pandemic going on. Why should other countries say "Enough is enough" over some guy getting killed by the US police. They all had much bigger problems in their own hands.
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Using the murder of a young boy stoke racial tensions, "
That's pretty much what you people did with George Floyd murder too. Except that he wasn't a young boy.
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"There's a politics section of the forums.
But my view is that there's going to be an inquiry about the police handling, mistakes have been made and the outcome has been a tragedy, but I'm confident changes will be made as a result.
And people shouldn't be using the tragic death of anyone to stir up hatred and division.
This is the right answer all day long
I wish followed the same advice when George Floyd killing happened too. That one didn't even happen in the UK. And yet the we had politicians, footballers and large group of protestors politicising it in the UK for no reason.
George Floyd was the 164th black person to be killed by the police in 8 months of 2020.
I don't know why you insist on comparing these two incidents and the response to it.
In the US. Not in the UK. If you want to lecture other people that they shouldn't politicise these events, you shouldn't have politicised such events in the first place, especially an event that didn't even happen in the UK.
Yes it was a worldwide response to say enough is enough in part because clearly the message was not being heard.
Worldwide response?
Most countries did not give a fuck about that incident because there was a raging pandemic going on. Why should other countries say "Enough is enough" over some guy getting killed by the US police. They all had much bigger problems in their own hands.
Using the murder of a young boy stoke racial tensions,
That's pretty much what you people did with George Floyd murder too. Except that he wasn't a young boy.
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Aaassrrrgghhjjj man I cannot keep doing this.
George Floyd wasn't a response to one murder by police, FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! |
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"There's a politics section of the forums.
But my view is that there's going to be an inquiry about the police handling, mistakes have been made and the outcome has been a tragedy, but I'm confident changes will be made as a result.
And people shouldn't be using the tragic death of anyone to stir up hatred and division.
This is the right answer all day long
I wish followed the same advice when George Floyd killing happened too. That one didn't even happen in the UK. And yet the we had politicians, footballers and large group of protestors politicising it in the UK for no reason.
George Floyd was the 164th black person to be killed by the police in 8 months of 2020.
I don't know why you insist on comparing these two incidents and the response to it.
In the US. Not in the UK. If you want to lecture other people that they shouldn't politicise these events, you shouldn't have politicised such events in the first place, especially an event that didn't even happen in the UK.
Yes it was a worldwide response to say enough is enough in part because clearly the message was not being heard.
Worldwide response?
Most countries did not give a fuck about that incident because there was a raging pandemic going on. Why should other countries say "Enough is enough" over some guy getting killed by the US police. They all had much bigger problems in their own hands.
Using the murder of a young boy stoke racial tensions,
That's pretty much what you people did with George Floyd murder too. Except that he wasn't a young boy.
Aaassrrrgghhjjj man I cannot keep doing this.
George Floyd wasn't a response to one murder by police, FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!"
And it did not even happen in the UK, FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! |
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Yep I'm done.
The police cocked up.
That's it. It's not racism, it's not "two tier policing". It's a simple, horrific cock-up that very sadly has led to the death of an apparently decent young lad who was just on a very restrained night out.
The lad carrying the sword for religious purposes was clearly a nutter. He isn't representative of the Sikh religion and should not be held up as one. Should people be allowed to carry a knife in public? In these crazy times maybe it's a long stretch to understand why they should but in the past x hundred years that Sikhs have been in the UK, has there previously been a horrific murder carried out on an innocent member of the public by a knife wielding Sikh maniac? Probably not.
Right-wing loons have weaponised a clear error by the Police and it's going to end up hurting more than just the 11 police and police dog that were injured last night. |
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"The actions of a few do not dictate the morality of the majority.
The fact that you are pointing to this event as a way to drive a wedge in society means that this is a stand out moment therefore affirming it’s an isolated incident which counter acts your argument in the first place.
Britain has values including respect and tolerance. You my good sir are not showing tolerance and I fear neither would you be showing respect as what you are commenting goes against the expressed wishes of the parents of this young man
It is NOT a stand out isolated incident. The proof is highlighted in the video clip where a white man is called a liar whilst two Asian men that are actually lying are watching on.
There is a two tier system regarding police in this country and has been getting progressively worse since Kier has been in power.
If you (or anybody) doesn’t see it or believe it then just go a little deeper than the BBC news or the daily papers that are restricted on what they can and can’t say.
This incident alone was kept under the radar.
The airport incident where a video shows a racist attack and a white policewoman got punched in the face so hard it broke her jaw.
The Southport stabbings where it was CLEARLY a racist incident and we were told it wasn’t. It t has since been proven.
The multiple child rxpe gangs that are predominately carried out with Asian men at the forefront.
This is NOT an isolated incident. Trust me those that go on about right wing (NO SUCH THING) gangs are part of the problem NOT the solution.
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What does digging beyond the BBC mean ?
Looking at some racist posts of social media or Listening to the chants of reform |
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That's it. It's not racism, it's not "two tier policing"."
Perhaps you are correct. However, there is a problem somewhere - the (Labour) Policing Minister Sarah Jones says she thinks the language in the Police anti-racism document is "wrong".
Whatever that means.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4g81y540y1t?post=asset%3Aa3d7d206-9761-45ef-98de-db53e9991325#post
Perhaps the pendulum has swung off-centre more than intended and a remedy is due. |
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That's it. It's not racism, it's not "two tier policing".
Perhaps you are correct. However, there is a problem somewhere - the (Labour) Policing Minister Sarah Jones says she thinks the language in the Police anti-racism document is "wrong".
Whatever that means.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4g81y540y1t?post=asset%3Aa3d7d206-9761-45ef-98de-db53e9991325#post
Perhaps the pendulum has swung off-centre more than intended and a remedy is due."
There is some evidence to support the view that it could be a result of the anti-racism guidance or training going overboard. That's why the NPCC is reviewing their guidance. So it's not unreasonable for people to politicise it and protest about it. There is definitely some discussion to be had about this.
But some people clearly want to shut it down using lame reasons like "let's not politicise it". If they do not want to discuss this, they can just move on. No need for them to stop other people from discussing this. |
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Right-wing loons have weaponised a clear error by the Police and it's going to end up hurting more than just the 11 police and police dog that were injured last night. "
Pretty much the same as what the BLM loons did:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52954899
And this doesn't even take into account the fact that they did it during Covid and there could have been more deaths due to that. |
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By *abioMan 3 days ago
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It’s not often that I agree with Starmer.. but I a really glad he called out Nigel Farage at PMQ’s
Farage basically hijacked this awful incident and has tried to use it against the wishes of his family
I think it comes awfully close to incitement, but he will deny plausible liability |
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By *abioMan 3 days ago
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Farage did exactly the same thing regarding Southport … step up to the line, claim plausible deniability.. and will probably blame Tommy Robinson and throw him under the bus!
We have seen this game plan play out…. |
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"It’s not often that I agree with Starmer.. but I a really glad he called out Nigel Farage at PMQ’s
Farage basically hijacked this awful incident and has tried to use it against the wishes of his family
I think it comes awfully close to incitement, but he will deny plausible liability "
These events are often hijacked unfortunately.
Farage shouldn’t have used the word ‘rage’ unless he said that rage shouldn’t turn into violence.
I rage about many things, but would never get involved in anything like what happened in Southampton last night. |
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"Yep I'm done.
The police cocked up.
That's it. It's not racism, it's not "two tier policing". It's a simple, horrific cock-up that very sadly has led to the death of an apparently decent young lad who was just on a very restrained night out.
The lad carrying the sword for religious purposes was clearly a nutter. He isn't representative of the Sikh religion and should not be held up as one. Should people be allowed to carry a knife in public? In these crazy times maybe it's a long stretch to understand why they should but in the past x hundred years that Sikhs have been in the UK, has there previously been a horrific murder carried out on an innocent member of the public by a knife wielding Sikh maniac? Probably not.
Right-wing loons have weaponised a clear error by the Police and it's going to end up hurting more than just the 11 police and police dog that were injured last night. "
So after telling others that they don't know the facts and as yet no one knows the full facts, you then claim to know the facts and declare it not being racism or two tier policing. Why not take your own advice and wait to see what comes of this. Hopefully it is rogue police officers only but others are also pointing out the process has gone to far the other way. |
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The police turned up to a scene where the murderer and their family accused the actual victim of racism. Police can't just ignore that.
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Not only can first responders ignore the motivation. First responders should 100% ignore the motivation. Until the situation is under control.
What you are saying is 100% just plain wrong. It is the opposite of what should happen. Otherwise innocent people die. As in this very case.
Do you not even understand that IS the problem here? Jeez. |
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By *abioMan 3 days ago
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Great speech… but just one or two holes in what was written here.
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If you (or anybody) doesn’t see it or believe it then just go a little deeper than the BBC news or the daily papers that are restricted on what they can and can’t say.
This incident alone was kept under the radar. "
unlike Tommy Robinson, the press actually adheres to court mandated press restrictions… they are put in place as to not prejudice a jury
" The airport incident where a video shows a racist attack and a white policewoman got punched in the face so hard it broke her jaw. "
The evidence was so damming that 2 court cases have ended up in hung juries, the 2nd literally just a few days ago.. and the cps have announced they are not going to try an trial them a 3rd time
" The Southport stabbings where it was CLEARLY a racist incident and we were told it wasn’t. It t has since been proven. "
we were told it wasn’t because it wasn’t… it was committed by a person with severe mental health issues, which the judge said in closing notes, and at the enquiry the judge stated that the parents of the individual should have alerted the authorities to his mental health state and they didn’t!
" The multiple child rxpe gangs that are predominately carried out with Asian men at the forefront.
This is NOT an isolated incident. Trust me those that go on about right wing (NO SUCH THING) gangs are part of the problem NOT the solution.
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You only want to concentrate on the gangs but the majority of SA are committed by white men and white gangs… heck even just a few weeks ago a white man was convicted of SA on a Sikh woman, because he mistook her for being Muslim
Your outrage seems to be very selective….. |
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The airport incident where a video shows a racist attack and a white policewoman got punched in the face so hard it broke her jaw.
The evidence was so damming that 2 court cases have ended up in hung juries, the 2nd literally just a few days ago.. and the cps have announced they are not going to try an trial them a 3rd time
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To be clear, the guy who punched the female police officer has been already found guilty and is serving prison sentence. The case that resulted in hung jury was on his brother who was charged for attacking the male police officer. |
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Fabio… your outrage seems very selective as well.
In a white majority country, it’s perhaps unsurprising that the majority of sexual assaults, or SA as you call it, are committed by white people.
I would imagine in African countries it’s the other way around.
It’s not a competition however. |
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Farage's old tweets about not allowing the murder of Sarah Everard to allow attacks on men and the police are surfacing on social media now. Seems like he didnt have any cold rage when a white woman was killed by a white policeman. |
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Please can some one tell me carrying a knife like the one which was used in this tragic incident is allowed in this country under the name of religion or faith I can understand if it was at a wedding or some religious event or place but on a British street at night in public I see no reason for such I had a tiny pen knife on a key ring the blade was about an inch afew years ago I was stop by officer and he saw it in the car ignition told me to remove it and place it in the glove box or boot out of sight which I did if I’d have said to him it’s for religious purposes would I have been let off I don’t believe in any religion at all after being brought up a catholic I made my mind up at 16 as there isn’t one single piece of evidence or proof that any god excist but there should be no difference in law and religion no one is above the law in this country |
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"The Deviants…
‘Cold rage’ doesn’t mean physically attacking people.
I feel cold rage about all this, but I’m not attacking anyone physically.
The protesters in Southampton have been though."
Yes, but not because of anything Farage said.
That more than likely would’ve happened anyway.
The police should’ve got on their knees as suggested and shown some humility. |
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By *AJMLKTV/TS 2 days ago
Burley |
"Farage's old tweets about not allowing the murder of Sarah Everard to allow attacks on men and the police are surfacing on social media now. Seems like he didnt have any cold rage when a white woman was killed by a white policeman."
Stop politicising this tragic event please. I know you people like to get in digs about whatever politician you currently hate, but this isn't the place. Thanks  |
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Grasshopper…
The knife in question was bigger than the ones some Sikhs carry for religious reasons, but I agree that the rules should be discussed.
The murderer carried a knife which could just have easily been a kitchen knife.
We shouldn’t get too hung up on the reasons why knives are carried for religious reasons, but I agree it’s not needed.
If it’s religious and essential symbolic, why is it sharp? |
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"Farage's old tweets about not allowing the murder of Sarah Everard to allow attacks on men and the police are surfacing on social media now. Seems like he didnt have any cold rage when a white woman was killed by a white policeman.
Stop politicising this tragic event please. I know you people like to get in digs about whatever politician you currently hate, but this isn't the place. Thanks "
The left are allowed to politicise such tragedies.
They follow different rules. |
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"Farage's old tweets about not allowing the murder of Sarah Everard to allow attacks on men and the police are surfacing on social media now. Seems like he didnt have any cold rage when a white woman was killed by a white policeman.
Stop politicising this tragic event please. I know you people like to get in digs about whatever politician you currently hate, but this isn't the place. Thanks "
What do you mean by ‘you people’ ?
And if a swingers political forum isn’t the place, where would be?
Genuinely interested. |
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"Farage's old tweets about not allowing the murder of Sarah Everard to allow attacks on men and the police are surfacing on social media now. Seems like he didnt have any cold rage when a white woman was killed by a white policeman.
Stop politicising this tragic event please. I know you people like to get in digs about whatever politician you currently hate, but this isn't the place. Thanks
The left are allowed to politicise such tragedies.
They follow different rules."
The left are allowed to in the same way the right are doing here. Bottom line is anything which helps sow the seeds of wider societal discord should be denounced & politicians should not be fanning flames, no matter the colour of their rosette.
Farage knows what he is doing, which is why he is very careful on the high wire of dodgy language.
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By *AJMLKTV/TS 2 days ago
Burley |
"Farage's old tweets about not allowing the murder of Sarah Everard to allow attacks on men and the police are surfacing on social media now. Seems like he didnt have any cold rage when a white woman was killed by a white policeman.
Stop politicising this tragic event please. I know you people like to get in digs about whatever politician you currently hate, but this isn't the place. Thanks
What do you mean by ‘you people’ ?
And if a swingers political forum isn’t the place, where would be?
Genuinely interested."
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The Deviants…
Yes, Farage knows what he’s doing, they all know what they’re doing!
The Novak family are having their tragedy used by loads of different people, however, maybe they’d feel worse if the news really were ignoring this?
There’s no easy way to deal with this. |
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By *YDB75Man 2 days ago
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I suggest people actually read the court notes and then make a judgment. Justice has been served with a life sentence and if freed on parole a life licence. Will go back if he was charged with spitting in the street. Henry parents have called for respect and calm and not to play racism cards. Yes mistakes have been made but get some context and actually read what the judge had to say.
The pathologist even said” The pathologist, Amanda Jeffrey, found 1200 ml, or over 2 pints, of blood there It passed
upwards through soft tissue, between the two uppermost ribs, catching a lung
and cutting an important vein, behind the collar bone. This was to a depth of
8cm from the skin surface. The consequent bleeding flowed into his chest cavity.
She said that no emergency medical treatment would have permitted access to
the bleeding vein. In simple terms, he would not have survived, however quickly
he received first aid, CPR or expert medical treatment.
The judge said ” Another consequence of those lies is that the attending police officers honestly
believed that there were reasonable grounds for suspecting Henry had
committed an offence and arrested him with the consequence he was
handcuffed for about a minute before his condition further deteriorated and the
arresting officer began CPR. The police were given a convincing but wholly false
narrative of the incident. It was dark and Henry was wearing a dark top. The
entry damage caused by the knife through it, would not have been obvious.
Whilst there was visible blood on Henry, it would not have clearly been seen
coming from that wound and the clearly visible facial wound was not life-
threatening. Henry was complaining that he had been stabbed and was
struggling to breathe but that would not have necessarily told the officers how
serious the situation had become. It is the experience of the criminal courts that
sometimes, someone arrested and handcuffed will feign injury in the hope they
may be released. These police officers were faced with having to make quick
decisions in pressurised circumstances about the best way to act. The genuine
shock to the particular police officer, when he realised that he had been giving
CPR to Henry when he had a serious chest wound tends to show that he was
doing his best in a very difficult situation”
The police arnt the Murderers here and I challenge anyone to do a shift in their boots and get everything right and now with the comments by Donald Trump 2 has made their job even harder and i know officers that are actually scared to go to work’ scared to attend certain job and certain areas of a city. I personally trust the police 100% |
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By *otMe66Man 2 days ago
Here and there |
"I suggest people actually read the court notes and then make a judgment. Justice has been served with a life sentence and if freed on parole a life licence. Will go back if he was charged with spitting in the street. Henry parents have called for respect and calm and not to play racism cards. Yes mistakes have been made but get some context and actually read what the judge had to say.
The pathologist even said” The pathologist, Amanda Jeffrey, found 1200 ml, or over 2 pints, of blood there It passed
upwards through soft tissue, between the two uppermost ribs, catching a lung
and cutting an important vein, behind the collar bone. This was to a depth of
8cm from the skin surface. The consequent bleeding flowed into his chest cavity.
She said that no emergency medical treatment would have permitted access to
the bleeding vein. In simple terms, he would not have survived, however quickly
he received first aid, CPR or expert medical treatment.
The judge said ” Another consequence of those lies is that the attending police officers honestly
believed that there were reasonable grounds for suspecting Henry had
committed an offence and arrested him with the consequence he was
handcuffed for about a minute before his condition further deteriorated and the
arresting officer began CPR. The police were given a convincing but wholly false
narrative of the incident. It was dark and Henry was wearing a dark top. The
entry damage caused by the knife through it, would not have been obvious.
Whilst there was visible blood on Henry, it would not have clearly been seen
coming from that wound and the clearly visible facial wound was not life-
threatening. Henry was complaining that he had been stabbed and was
struggling to breathe but that would not have necessarily told the officers how
serious the situation had become. It is the experience of the criminal courts that
sometimes, someone arrested and handcuffed will feign injury in the hope they
may be released. These police officers were faced with having to make quick
decisions in pressurised circumstances about the best way to act. The genuine
shock to the particular police officer, when he realised that he had been giving
CPR to Henry when he had a serious chest wound tends to show that he was
doing his best in a very difficult situation”
The police arnt the Murderers here and I challenge anyone to do a shift in their boots and get everything right and now with the comments by Donald Trump 2 has made their job even harder and i know officers that are actually scared to go to work’ scared to attend certain job and certain areas of a city. I personally trust the police 100% "
The killer and his brother absolutely made the situation worse by lying to the police. However, police officers are trained to assess the scene in front of them, not simply accept the first account they are given.
The officer that pulled him across the ground and handcuffed Henry, was not acting within the expected boundaries of his duties or training, that is unacceptable and more than worthy of the challenge they are facing over this. |
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EYDB75
Great copy and paste job!
PC No You Haven’t Mate thought he was dealing with a white racist scumbag and therefore didn’t care about anything else.
I hope he’s haunted forever by this. The Nowak family will never recover, so I hope life as he knows it is over as well. |
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By *abioMan 2 days ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Farage's old tweets about not allowing the murder of Sarah Everard to allow attacks on men and the police are surfacing on social media now. Seems like he didnt have any cold rage when a white woman was killed by a white policeman.
Stop politicising this tragic event please. I know you people like to get in digs about whatever politician you currently hate, but this isn't the place. Thanks "
I know a phrase that sums this up perfectly
Okay for me, but not for thee!!!!
Farage is being hypocritical at best……. |
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That Farage is making political capital out of this is disgusting. He is only hear to sow the seeds of trouble and when innocent people get hurt he points the finger at others. Yes be upset,be angry at a senseless waste of a young man's life. But do not fall for this carpetbaggers bullshit. He cares absolutely nothing about any of the working class and never will. |
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"That Farage is making political capital out of this is disgusting. He is only hear to sow the seeds of trouble and when innocent people get hurt he points the finger at others. Yes be upset,be angry at a senseless waste of a young man's life. But do not fall for this carpetbaggers bullshit. He cares absolutely nothing about any of the working class and never will."
If the victim wasn’t white and the murderer was white, Southampton would be in flames and all the politicians currently taking the moral high ground would be feeling their own version of cold rage. |
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By *AJMLKTV/TS 2 days ago
Burley |
"Farage's old tweets about not allowing the murder of Sarah Everard to allow attacks on men and the police are surfacing on social media now. Seems like he didnt have any cold rage when a white woman was killed by a white policeman.
Stop politicising this tragic event please. I know you people like to get in digs about whatever politician you currently hate, but this isn't the place. Thanks
I know a phrase that sums this up perfectly
Okay for me, but not for thee!!!!
Farage is being hypocritical at best……."
Which, of course, is absolute hypocritical bollocks and you know it. I have made no comment on this other than that post. It's a shame you didn't have the decency to do the same judging from your posts above. You're American, aren't you? |
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By *otMe66Man 2 days ago
Here and there |
"That Farage is making political capital out of this is disgusting. He is only hear to sow the seeds of trouble and when innocent people get hurt he points the finger at others. Yes be upset,be angry at a senseless waste of a young man's life. But do not fall for this carpetbaggers bullshit. He cares absolutely nothing about any of the working class and never will.
If the victim wasn’t white and the murderer was white, Southampton would be in flames and all the politicians currently taking the moral high ground would be feeling their own version of cold rage."
"If" is doing a lot of the heavy lifting. |
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"Great speech… but just one or two holes in what was written here.
If you (or anybody) doesn’t see it or believe it then just go a little deeper than the BBC news or the daily papers that are restricted on what they can and can’t say.
This incident alone was kept under the radar. unlike Tommy Robinson, the press actually adheres to court mandated press restrictions… they are put in place as to not prejudice a jury
The airport incident where a video shows a racist attack and a white policewoman got punched in the face so hard it broke her jaw.
The evidence was so damming that 2 court cases have ended up in hung juries, the 2nd literally just a few days ago.. and the cps have announced they are not going to try an trial them a 3rd time
The Southport stabbings where it was CLEARLY a racist incident and we were told it wasn’t. It t has since been proven. we were told it wasn’t because it wasn’t… it was committed by a person with severe mental health issues, which the judge said in closing notes, and at the enquiry the judge stated that the parents of the individual should have alerted the authorities to his mental health state and they didn’t!
The multiple child rxpe gangs that are predominately carried out with Asian men at the forefront.
This is NOT an isolated incident. Trust me those that go on about right wing (NO SUCH THING) gangs are part of the problem NOT the solution.
You only want to concentrate on the gangs but the majority of SA are committed by white men and white gangs… heck even just a few weeks ago a white man was convicted of SA on a Sikh woman, because he mistook her for being Muslim
Your outrage seems to be very selective….."
Your outrage is selective. You neglected to mention that the grooming gangs situation was a result of the authorities not wanting to act against certain communities for fear of being accused of racism. The other days tragic event with Henry was a result of putting accusations of racism above the welfare of those involved and not dealing with the case impartially. Of course it's not long ago the police falsified evidence to ban football fans from Israel to appease the local community. On SA topic, non British people are way over represented in the SA's in relation to their population percentage
Foreign National Convictions: According to data obtained by the Centre for Migration Control and analyzed in June 2025, foreign nationals were responsible for 26% of sexual assault convictions on women in 2024, despite making up only 10.9% of the population.
Highest Disproportionality by Nationality: Initial data suggests that Afghan and Eritrean nationals residing in the UK were over 20 times more likely to be convicted of sexual offenses compared to British citizens.
Highest Number of Foreign Convictions: Among foreign nationals, Indian nationals recorded the highest number of sexual offence convictions in 2024 (38), followed by Romanian (27) and Polish (27) nationals.
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"That Farage is making political capital out of this is disgusting. He is only hear to sow the seeds of trouble and when innocent people get hurt he points the finger at others. Yes be upset,be angry at a senseless waste of a young man's life. But do not fall for this carpetbaggers bullshit. He cares absolutely nothing about any of the working class and never will.
If the victim wasn’t white and the murderer was white, Southampton would be in flames and all the politicians currently taking the moral high ground would be feeling their own version of cold rage."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8p08e3jz0o
No riots, no protests, no fires no word from politicians. This wasn't even on the front page of the BBC website. |
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"That Farage is making political capital out of this is disgusting. He is only hear to sow the seeds of trouble and when innocent people get hurt he points the finger at others. Yes be upset,be angry at a senseless waste of a young man's life. But do not fall for this carpetbaggers bullshit. He cares absolutely nothing about any of the working class and never will.
If the victim wasn’t white and the murderer was white, Southampton would be in flames and all the politicians currently taking the moral high ground would be feeling their own version of cold rage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8p08e3jz0o
No riots, no protests, no fires no word from politicians. This wasn't even on the front page of the BBC website."
Not the same. Did the police take the killer's side in this case? |
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"That Farage is making political capital out of this is disgusting. He is only hear to sow the seeds of trouble and when innocent people get hurt he points the finger at others. Yes be upset,be angry at a senseless waste of a young man's life. But do not fall for this carpetbaggers bullshit. He cares absolutely nothing about any of the working class and never will.
If the victim wasn’t white and the murderer was white, Southampton would be in flames and all the politicians currently taking the moral high ground would be feeling their own version of cold rage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8p08e3jz0o
No riots, no protests, no fires no word from politicians. This wasn't even on the front page of the BBC website.
Not the same. Did the police take the killer's side in this case?"
Was that referred to in the comment I replied to? I don't think it was so maybe wind your neck in 🤷♂️ |
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"That Farage is making political capital out of this is disgusting. He is only hear to sow the seeds of trouble and when innocent people get hurt he points the finger at others. Yes be upset,be angry at a senseless waste of a young man's life. But do not fall for this carpetbaggers bullshit. He cares absolutely nothing about any of the working class and never will.
If the victim wasn’t white and the murderer was white, Southampton would be in flames and all the politicians currently taking the moral high ground would be feeling their own version of cold rage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8p08e3jz0o
No riots, no protests, no fires no word from politicians. This wasn't even on the front page of the BBC website.
Not the same. Did the police take the killer's side in this case?
Was that referred to in the comment I replied to? I don't think it was so maybe wind your neck in 🤷♂️"
Pretty much everyone knows that murder across races happens. The problem in this case was how the police reacted to it. So I don't think people have to call it out specifically in every post. One would assume that it's understood. |
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"That Farage is making political capital out of this is disgusting. He is only hear to sow the seeds of trouble and when innocent people get hurt he points the finger at others. Yes be upset,be angry at a senseless waste of a young man's life. But do not fall for this carpetbaggers bullshit. He cares absolutely nothing about any of the working class and never will.
If the victim wasn’t white and the murderer was white, Southampton would be in flames and all the politicians currently taking the moral high ground would be feeling their own version of cold rage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8p08e3jz0o
No riots, no protests, no fires no word from politicians. This wasn't even on the front page of the BBC website.
Not the same. Did the police take the killer's side in this case?
Was that referred to in the comment I replied to? I don't think it was so maybe wind your neck in 🤷♂️
Pretty much everyone knows that murder across races happens. The problem in this case was how the police reacted to it. So I don't think people have to call it out specifically in every post. One would assume that it's understood."
You would think so, but clearly the person I replied to didn't. I provided an example and yet you still felt the need to interject, that's on you. It's not a game of one-upsmanship when people are dying but others seem to want to make it about race. |
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"That Farage is making political capital out of this is disgusting. He is only hear to sow the seeds of trouble and when innocent people get hurt he points the finger at others. Yes be upset,be angry at a senseless waste of a young man's life. But do not fall for this carpetbaggers bullshit. He cares absolutely nothing about any of the working class and never will.
If the victim wasn’t white and the murderer was white, Southampton would be in flames and all the politicians currently taking the moral high ground would be feeling their own version of cold rage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8p08e3jz0o
No riots, no protests, no fires no word from politicians. This wasn't even on the front page of the BBC website.
Not the same. Did the police take the killer's side in this case?
Was that referred to in the comment I replied to? I don't think it was so maybe wind your neck in 🤷♂️
Pretty much everyone knows that murder across races happens. The problem in this case was how the police reacted to it. So I don't think people have to call it out specifically in every post. One would assume that it's understood.
You would think so, but clearly the person I replied to didn't. I provided an example and yet you still felt the need to interject, that's on you. It's not a game of one-upsmanship when people are dying but others seem to want to make it about race."
What makes you think the other poster didn't? The whole issue about Henry Nowak blew up because of the way police acted, not because a murder happened. Considering the fact that the criminals made racism allegations against the victim to drive police to handcuff him, what's the problem with talking about race here? |
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"That Farage is making political capital out of this is disgusting. He is only hear to sow the seeds of trouble and when innocent people get hurt he points the finger at others. Yes be upset,be angry at a senseless waste of a young man's life. But do not fall for this carpetbaggers bullshit. He cares absolutely nothing about any of the working class and never will.
If the victim wasn’t white and the murderer was white, Southampton would be in flames and all the politicians currently taking the moral high ground would be feeling their own version of cold rage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8p08e3jz0o
No riots, no protests, no fires no word from politicians. This wasn't even on the front page of the BBC website.
Not the same. Did the police take the killer's side in this case?
Was that referred to in the comment I replied to? I don't think it was so maybe wind your neck in 🤷♂️
Pretty much everyone knows that murder across races happens. The problem in this case was how the police reacted to it. So I don't think people have to call it out specifically in every post. One would assume that it's understood.
You would think so, but clearly the person I replied to didn't. I provided an example and yet you still felt the need to interject, that's on you. It's not a game of one-upsmanship when people are dying but others seem to want to make it about race.
What makes you think the other poster didn't? The whole issue about Henry Nowak blew up because of the way police acted, not because a murder happened. Considering the fact that the criminals made racism allegations against the victim to drive police to handcuff him, what's the problem with talking about race here?"
Fucking hell, pick a position and stick to it. First it's "I don't think people have to call it out on every post" and then it's "what's the problem with talking about race here?"
If any murder involved race, then of course it's going to be fucking talked about with examples given to counteract points. Why didn't you reply to the initial poster who made it about race instead of wasting your time with me? |
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"That Farage is making political capital out of this is disgusting. He is only hear to sow the seeds of trouble and when innocent people get hurt he points the finger at others. Yes be upset,be angry at a senseless waste of a young man's life. But do not fall for this carpetbaggers bullshit. He cares absolutely nothing about any of the working class and never will.
If the victim wasn’t white and the murderer was white, Southampton would be in flames and all the politicians currently taking the moral high ground would be feeling their own version of cold rage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8p08e3jz0o
No riots, no protests, no fires no word from politicians. This wasn't even on the front page of the BBC website.
Not the same. Did the police take the killer's side in this case?
Was that referred to in the comment I replied to? I don't think it was so maybe wind your neck in 🤷♂️
Pretty much everyone knows that murder across races happens. The problem in this case was how the police reacted to it. So I don't think people have to call it out specifically in every post. One would assume that it's understood.
You would think so, but clearly the person I replied to didn't. I provided an example and yet you still felt the need to interject, that's on you. It's not a game of one-upsmanship when people are dying but others seem to want to make it about race.
What makes you think the other poster didn't? The whole issue about Henry Nowak blew up because of the way police acted, not because a murder happened. Considering the fact that the criminals made racism allegations against the victim to drive police to handcuff him, what's the problem with talking about race here?
Fucking hell, pick a position and stick to it. First it's "I don't think people have to call it out on every post" and then it's "what's the problem with talking about race here?"
If any murder involved race, then of course it's going to be fucking talked about with examples given to counteract points. Why didn't you reply to the initial poster who made it about race instead of wasting your time with me?"
Not sure what you are blabbering. The initial post was about police handcuffing a white person because he was alleged to be racist by the killer though there was no evidence to support that. There is obviously a racial element to the case and the poster said that if there was another case of police behaviour like this when a minority is the victim, the reactions would be very different.
To that, you gave a completely irrelevant example where the police weren't involved and I pointed out that it's irrelevant.
And now you are going off in a completely different tangent. |
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"If the victim wasn’t white and the murderer was white, Southampton would be in flames and all the politicians currently taking the moral high ground would be feeling their own version of cold rage.
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Not sure what you are blabbering. The initial post was about police handcuffing a white person because he was alleged to be racist by the killer though there was no evidence to support that. There is obviously a racial element to the case and the poster said that if there was another case of police behaviour like this when a minority is the victim, the reactions would be very different.
To that, you gave a completely irrelevant example where the police weren't involved and I pointed out that it's irrelevant.
And now you are going off in a completely different tangent."
Show me in that reply where the police were mentioned. |
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"If the victim wasn’t white and the murderer was white, Southampton would be in flames and all the politicians currently taking the moral high ground would be feeling their own version of cold rage.
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Not sure what you are blabbering. The initial post was about police handcuffing a white person because he was alleged to be racist by the killer though there was no evidence to support that. There is obviously a racial element to the case and the poster said that if there was another case of police behaviour like this when a minority is the victim, the reactions would be very different.
To that, you gave a completely irrelevant example where the police weren't involved and I pointed out that it's irrelevant.
And now you are going off in a completely different tangent.
Show me in that reply where the police were mentioned."
Again, read the posts before you reply. I already explained this. The whole issue blew up because police seemed to have messed up handling an allegation about racism. If we are going to create threads every time a person from one race kills someone from another race, there won't be enough space in fab servers to store that.
It's an implicit assumption everyone seems to understand but not you. Maybe try going through the thread instead of wasting time posting "End" message to stop others from replying  |
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"If the victim wasn’t white and the murderer was white, Southampton would be in flames and all the politicians currently taking the moral high ground would be feeling their own version of cold rage.
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Not sure what you are blabbering. The initial post was about police handcuffing a white person because he was alleged to be racist by the killer though there was no evidence to support that. There is obviously a racial element to the case and the poster said that if there was another case of police behaviour like this when a minority is the victim, the reactions would be very different.
To that, you gave a completely irrelevant example where the police weren't involved and I pointed out that it's irrelevant.
And now you are going off in a completely different tangent.
Show me in that reply where the police were mentioned.
Again, read the posts before you reply. I already explained this. The whole issue blew up because police seemed to have messed up handling an allegation about racism. If we are going to create threads every time a person from one race kills someone from another race, there won't be enough space in fab servers to store that.
It's an implicit assumption everyone seems to understand but not you. Maybe try going through the thread instead of wasting time posting "End" message to stop others from replying "
But if my post was to that specific user who clearly didn't mention the police and only mentioned the race crime, then of course that's what I'm going to focus on. Remember, you didn't have to reply to me. You're more than welcome to reply to anyone else you disagree with if they bring up the point of police action |
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"If the victim wasn’t white and the murderer was white, Southampton would be in flames and all the politicians currently taking the moral high ground would be feeling their own version of cold rage.
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Not sure what you are blabbering. The initial post was about police handcuffing a white person because he was alleged to be racist by the killer though there was no evidence to support that. There is obviously a racial element to the case and the poster said that if there was another case of police behaviour like this when a minority is the victim, the reactions would be very different.
To that, you gave a completely irrelevant example where the police weren't involved and I pointed out that it's irrelevant.
And now you are going off in a completely different tangent.
Show me in that reply where the police were mentioned.
Again, read the posts before you reply. I already explained this. The whole issue blew up because police seemed to have messed up handling an allegation about racism. If we are going to create threads every time a person from one race kills someone from another race, there won't be enough space in fab servers to store that.
It's an implicit assumption everyone seems to understand but not you. Maybe try going through the thread instead of wasting time posting "End" message to stop others from replying
But if my post was to that specific user who clearly didn't mention the police and only mentioned the race crime, then of course that's what I'm going to focus on. Remember, you didn't have to reply to me. You're more than welcome to reply to anyone else you disagree with if they bring up the point of police action "
Yes, and I clarified that your example doesn't fit the purpose here. And you don't have to reply to me either. But no is going to stop you if you want to. It's an open forum. |
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"Yes, and I clarified that your example doesn't fit the purpose here. And you don't have to reply to me either. But no is going to stop you if you want to. It's an open forum."
And in the context of what I replied to, it absolutely fit the purpose here. Police action is just one facet of this issue. Another is the topic of racial tensions which I'm entitled to focus on should I so wish. You're not allowed to stop me, no matter how "implicit" it is |
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"Yes, and I clarified that your example doesn't fit the purpose here. And you don't have to reply to me either. But no is going to stop you if you want to. It's an open forum.
And in the context of what I replied to, it absolutely fit the purpose here. Police action is just one facet of this issue.
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Police action on handling racism is the primary facet of the issue. You said "No riots, no protests, no fires no word from politicians. This wasn't even on the front page of the BBC website."
If we had riots every time a person of one race kills another, we will have multiple riots every day. Even the George Floyd protests broke out because of police involvement, not because a white guy killed a black guy. That's why I said it's not the same in the first reply.
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Another is the topic of racial tensions which I'm entitled to focus on should I so wish. You're not allowed to stop me, no matter how "implicit" it is"
No one tried to stop you. I literally can't |
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"Yes, and I clarified that your example doesn't fit the purpose here. And you don't have to reply to me either. But no is going to stop you if you want to. It's an open forum.
And in the context of what I replied to, it absolutely fit the purpose here. Police action is just one facet of this issue.
Police action on handling racism is the primary facet of the issue. You said "No riots, no protests, no fires no word from politicians. This wasn't even on the front page of the BBC website."
If we had riots every time a person of one race kills another, we will have multiple riots every day. Even the George Floyd protests broke out because of police involvement, not because a white guy killed a black guy. That's why I said it's not the same in the first reply. "
Then why do you think the person I responded to in the first place didn't mention police action? He certainly seemed to only focus on the racial part of it. And don't give me that "it was implied" nonsense. There was nothing implicit in it. |
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The emotional impact of a dying person being mistreated by the police is once again proving to be the social ignition point.
Economic instability materialises into basic human tribalism. It has been played out many times in the past, 70's 80's 90's on and on it goes.
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"Yes, and I clarified that your example doesn't fit the purpose here. And you don't have to reply to me either. But no is going to stop you if you want to. It's an open forum.
And in the context of what I replied to, it absolutely fit the purpose here. Police action is just one facet of this issue.
Police action on handling racism is the primary facet of the issue. You said "No riots, no protests, no fires no word from politicians. This wasn't even on the front page of the BBC website."
If we had riots every time a person of one race kills another, we will have multiple riots every day. Even the George Floyd protests broke out because of police involvement, not because a white guy killed a black guy. That's why I said it's not the same in the first reply.
Then why do you think the person I responded to in the first place didn't mention police action? He certainly seemed to only focus on the racial part of it. And don't give me that "it was implied" nonsense. There was nothing implicit in it."
That's the whole point of "implicit". It's understood from context. People don't mention it. |
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This is a pretty isolated incident that was handled terribly by the police involved. The police should be color blind and treat everyone with dignity and respect. That didn't happen here and it's right that the IOPC are investigating and changes should be made. But Farages remarks were inciteful and just wrong. He should be heavily censored. |
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"Yes, and I clarified that your example doesn't fit the purpose here. And you don't have to reply to me either. But no is going to stop you if you want to. It's an open forum.
And in the context of what I replied to, it absolutely fit the purpose here. Police action is just one facet of this issue.
Police action on handling racism is the primary facet of the issue. You said "No riots, no protests, no fires no word from politicians. This wasn't even on the front page of the BBC website."
If we had riots every time a person of one race kills another, we will have multiple riots every day. Even the George Floyd protests broke out because of police involvement, not because a white guy killed a black guy. That's why I said it's not the same in the first reply.
Then why do you think the person I responded to in the first place didn't mention police action? He certainly seemed to only focus on the racial part of it. And don't give me that "it was implied" nonsense. There was nothing implicit in it.
That's the whole point of "implicit". It's understood from context. People don't mention it."
So basically, any comments about race only in this thread should be taken with the caveat that it's with police action in mind? If so, that's fucking mental. |
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"Yes, and I clarified that your example doesn't fit the purpose here. And you don't have to reply to me either. But no is going to stop you if you want to. It's an open forum.
And in the context of what I replied to, it absolutely fit the purpose here. Police action is just one facet of this issue.
Police action on handling racism is the primary facet of the issue. You said "No riots, no protests, no fires no word from politicians. This wasn't even on the front page of the BBC website."
If we had riots every time a person of one race kills another, we will have multiple riots every day. Even the George Floyd protests broke out because of police involvement, not because a white guy killed a black guy. That's why I said it's not the same in the first reply.
Then why do you think the person I responded to in the first place didn't mention police action? He certainly seemed to only focus on the racial part of it. And don't give me that "it was implied" nonsense. There was nothing implicit in it.
That's the whole point of "implicit". It's understood from context. People don't mention it.
So basically, any comments about race only in this thread should be taken with the caveat that it's with police action in mind? If so, that's fucking mental."
It's context dependent. |
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"Yes, and I clarified that your example doesn't fit the purpose here. And you don't have to reply to me either. But no is going to stop you if you want to. It's an open forum.
And in the context of what I replied to, it absolutely fit the purpose here. Police action is just one facet of this issue.
Police action on handling racism is the primary facet of the issue. You said "No riots, no protests, no fires no word from politicians. This wasn't even on the front page of the BBC website."
If we had riots every time a person of one race kills another, we will have multiple riots every day. Even the George Floyd protests broke out because of police involvement, not because a white guy killed a black guy. That's why I said it's not the same in the first reply.
Then why do you think the person I responded to in the first place didn't mention police action? He certainly seemed to only focus on the racial part of it. And don't give me that "it was implied" nonsense. There was nothing implicit in it.
That's the whole point of "implicit". It's understood from context. People don't mention it.
So basically, any comments about race only in this thread should be taken with the caveat that it's with police action in mind? If so, that's fucking mental.
It's context dependent. "
In your eyes of what context means, basically because it sure as shit wasn't clear to me |
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"Yes, and I clarified that your example doesn't fit the purpose here. And you don't have to reply to me either. But no is going to stop you if you want to. It's an open forum.
And in the context of what I replied to, it absolutely fit the purpose here. Police action is just one facet of this issue.
Police action on handling racism is the primary facet of the issue. You said "No riots, no protests, no fires no word from politicians. This wasn't even on the front page of the BBC website."
If we had riots every time a person of one race kills another, we will have multiple riots every day. Even the George Floyd protests broke out because of police involvement, not because a white guy killed a black guy. That's why I said it's not the same in the first reply.
Then why do you think the person I responded to in the first place didn't mention police action? He certainly seemed to only focus on the racial part of it. And don't give me that "it was implied" nonsense. There was nothing implicit in it.
That's the whole point of "implicit". It's understood from context. People don't mention it.
So basically, any comments about race only in this thread should be taken with the caveat that it's with police action in mind? If so, that's fucking mental.
It's context dependent.
In your eyes of what context means, basically because it sure as shit wasn't clear to me"
It's ok if it's not clear. That's why I clarified the context to you |
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"Yes, and I clarified that your example doesn't fit the purpose here. And you don't have to reply to me either. But no is going to stop you if you want to. It's an open forum.
And in the context of what I replied to, it absolutely fit the purpose here. Police action is just one facet of this issue.
Police action on handling racism is the primary facet of the issue. You said "No riots, no protests, no fires no word from politicians. This wasn't even on the front page of the BBC website."
If we had riots every time a person of one race kills another, we will have multiple riots every day. Even the George Floyd protests broke out because of police involvement, not because a white guy killed a black guy. That's why I said it's not the same in the first reply.
Then why do you think the person I responded to in the first place didn't mention police action? He certainly seemed to only focus on the racial part of it. And don't give me that "it was implied" nonsense. There was nothing implicit in it.
That's the whole point of "implicit". It's understood from context. People don't mention it.
So basically, any comments about race only in this thread should be taken with the caveat that it's with police action in mind? If so, that's fucking mental.
It's context dependent.
In your eyes of what context means, basically because it sure as shit wasn't clear to me
It's ok if it's not clear. That's why I clarified the context to you "
I mean, I don't think the post was said with that context in mind but if you did, then fair enough. Neither of us can really know what he meant when he said it. |
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"There's a politics section of the forums.
But my view is that there's going to be an inquiry about the police handling, mistakes have been made and the outcome has been a tragedy, but I'm confident changes will be made as a result.
And people shouldn't be using the tragic death of anyone to stir up hatred and division.
Like George Floyd… you mean?"
I really can’t understand how 1000’s got behind the death of a despicable career criminal who had never shown any respect to anybody
As for all off the kneeling, what utter political correct bullshit that was
George Dlotd shouldn’t have died in that way, but you reap what you so |
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"The actions of a few do not dictate the morality of the majority.
The fact that you are pointing to this event as a way to drive a wedge in society means that this is a stand out moment therefore affirming it’s an isolated incident which counter acts your argument in the first place.
Britain has values including respect and tolerance. You my good sir are not showing tolerance and I fear neither would you be showing respect as what you are commenting goes against the expressed wishes of the parents of this young man
It is NOT a stand out isolated incident. The proof is highlighted in the video clip where a white man is called a liar whilst two Asian men that are actually lying are watching on.
There is a two tier system regarding police in this country and has been getting progressively worse since Kier has been in power.
If you (or anybody) doesn’t see it or believe it then just go a little deeper than the BBC news or the daily papers that are restricted on what they can and can’t say.
This incident alone was kept under the radar.
The airport incident where a video shows a racist attack and a white policewoman got punched in the face so hard it broke her jaw.
The Southport stabbings where it was CLEARLY a racist incident and we were told it wasn’t. It t has since been proven.
The multiple child rxpe gangs that are predominately carried out with Asian men at the forefront.
This is NOT an isolated incident. Trust me those that go on about right wing (NO SUCH THING) gangs are part of the problem NOT the solution.
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If you can’t see that DEI is part of the problem, then no wonder you feel helpless.
Farage and Robinson are correct, but throwing wheelie bins at policemen and women isn’t the answer although I totally get the anger.
This is often the reaction to such incidents.
Maybe Hampshire police should’ve taken the knee rather than get their riot gear on.
That would’ve taken some heat out of the situation.
You're stating that as fact when you have absolutely no idea.
The police turned up to a scene where the murderer and their family accused the actual victim of racism. Police can't just ignore that. What was despicable is their lack of action in caring for victim who was clearly in distress. What you're doing is saying this is because the police force has become woke, the police in question are only there because they're DEI hires when there is no evidence for this.
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Unfortunately for you and your blind allegiance to wishy washy political indoctrination you are totally wrong and utterly biased in your view point |
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Unfortunately for you and your blind allegiance to wishy washy political indoctrination you are totally wrong and utterly biased in your view point "
I find it very worrying how easy it has been to radicalise a large proportion of the British working classes to believe every word the far right wing leaders say. |
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“Please can some one tell me carrying a knife like the one which was used in this tragic incident is allowed in this country under the name of religion or faith”
In France, the law has been simplified: it’s illegal to carry ANY bladed instrument in a public place, and if stopped by the Police you’re guilty of a crime unless you can justify otherwise. You just purchased a bread-knife from the supermarket? Show us the receipt. You’ve got a Stanley Knife? It’d better be in your toolbox. A filleting knife? If it ain’t LOCKED in your fishing tackle box you’re nicked.
We know it as the “Opinel* Law” which gun-owners like myself have to be very wary of. The slightest infraction - a multi-tool in your pocket - will result in your firearms licence being revoked.
French law is applied indiscriminately and is accepted without the dissension that’s the norm here. Even the banning of face-covering headgear - including niqabs and burqas - was met with minimal protest.
* the most popular range of knives in France |
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"“Please can some one tell me carrying a knife like the one which was used in this tragic incident is allowed in this country under the name of religion or faith”
In France, the law has been simplified: it’s illegal to carry ANY bladed instrument in a public place, and if stopped by the Police you’re guilty of a crime unless you can justify otherwise. You just purchased a bread-knife from the supermarket? Show us the receipt. You’ve got a Stanley Knife? It’d better be in your toolbox. A filleting knife? If it ain’t LOCKED in your fishing tackle box you’re nicked.
We know it as the “Opinel* Law” which gun-owners like myself have to be very wary of. The slightest infraction - a multi-tool in your pocket - will result in your firearms licence being revoked.
French law is applied indiscriminately and is accepted without the dissension that’s the norm here. Even the banning of face-covering headgear - including niqabs and burqas - was met with minimal protest.
* the most popular range of knives in France"
Law abiding citizens follow the law, and criminals who are intent on causing harm don't. The question is, why do we have laws that prevent law abiding citizens from being able to defend themselves on an equal footing. |
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Unfortunately for you and your blind allegiance to wishy washy political indoctrination you are totally wrong and utterly biased in your view point
I find it very worrying how easy it has been to radicalise a large proportion of the British working classes to believe every word the far right wing leaders say. "
Not really. A lot of time , money and recorded have been spent on it.. |
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