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The UK economy has taken a 6% hit from the effects of Brexit, according to economists' analysis of internal Bank of England data about the decisions, views and financial results of thousands of British companies since the referendum a decade ago (Full article bbc)
Separately polling suggests that 55% of Britons support the UK rejoining the EU.
Is it a coincidence that today the guardian reports, the UK could keep special pre-Brexit terms if it rejoined EU, said the EU’s Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier.
Is it likely a second referendum may be offered as a general election sweetener ?
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If you using thee BBC as your credible source I think you need to dig further. I'm not saying that brexit has been a failure nor success for the economy however I truly believe that the shit cunts running the country since the vote to leave have fucked it |
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"The UK economy has taken a 6% hit from the effects of Brexit, according to economists' analysis of internal Bank of England data about the decisions, views and financial results of thousands of British companies since the referendum a decade ago (Full article bbc)
Separately polling suggests that 55% of Britons support the UK rejoining the EU.
Is it a coincidence that today the guardian reports, the UK could keep special pre-Brexit terms if it rejoined EU, said the EU’s Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier.
Is it likely a second referendum may be offered as a general election sweetener ?
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no. there will be no referendum nor will there be any need for one. the party that makes rejoining part of their _anifesto will win that particular election and we will return as the leave majority, as predicted, has literally died out over the last decade.... keeping the special terms as highlighted by barnier and fast tracked as highlighted by Gozi. |
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"If you using thee BBC as your credible source I think you need to dig further. I'm not saying that brexit has been a failure nor success for the economy however I truly believe that the shit cunts running the country since the vote to leave have fucked it"
The BBC just reported it, the source is the Bank of England. I'm intrigued though, we left which is is what was voted for, what could have been done better? |
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"If you using thee BBC as your credible source I think you need to dig further. I'm not saying that brexit has been a failure nor success for the economy however I truly believe that the shit cunts running the country since the vote to leave have fucked it
The BBC just reported it, the source is the Bank of England. I'm intrigued though, we left which is is what was voted for, what could have been done better?"
That’s a good question. There’s a school of thought that says there couldn’t be an economically successful Brexit, and that the price of ‘freedom’ would be pad by the poor, be that through lower wages or having their employment rights removed. |
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By *I TwoCouple 3 weeks ago
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"If you using thee BBC as your credible source I think you need to dig further. I'm not saying that brexit has been a failure nor success for the economy however I truly believe that the shit cunts running the country since the vote to leave have fucked it"
There's not a single credible source that claims were better off in any way since Brexit |
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By *ackal1Couple 3 weeks ago
Manchester |
It’s an interesting point that pre Brexit 9 out of 10 economists stated Brexit would be bad but all our media including the BBC gave equal airtime to the 1 out of 10.
Even if you say our economy has shrunk by 4% so being conservative then that equates to £40-£60Billion loss to the treasury PER YEAR!!
Tell me again how the country has no money.
If you can be bothered this is an interesting video on how the country inflicted incredible self harm in 1979. Focusing on why we lost our manufacturing at the hands of a failed ideology. It’s very clearly explained and shows how badly we have been governed for decades.
https://youtu.be/pfltQiGUpEE?is=bBpKWRNjZNaPkLN_
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"If you using thee BBC as your credible source I think you need to dig further. I'm not saying that brexit has been a failure nor success for the economy however I truly believe that the shit cunts running the country since the vote to leave have fucked it"
Haven't lived on the UK in over a decade. Scooted back home to ireland.
My biggest regret, is i didnt place a bet in brexit. I kick myself every time i hear mention, because no one thought it would pass. I dont even think Cameron thought it would happen when he stupidly called for a referendum without plan B.
As for the one's you have now, they're going from one disaster to the next. Even the pro-brexit illusion of money saved was a fantasy. The gap between the have and have not is widening (in ireland its bad, last time i was in Yorkshire, i was left thinking, Jaysus lads!)
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By *ermbiMan 3 weeks ago
Ballyshannon |
"If you using thee BBC as your credible source I think you need to dig further. I'm not saying that brexit has been a failure nor success for the economy however I truly believe that the shit cunts running the country since the vote to leave have fucked it
Haven't lived on the UK in over a decade. Scooted back home to ireland.
My biggest regret, is i didnt place a bet in brexit. I kick myself every time i hear mention, because no one thought it would pass. I dont even think Cameron thought it would happen when he stupidly called for a referendum without plan B.
As for the one's you have now, they're going from one disaster to the next. Even the pro-brexit illusion of money saved was a fantasy. The gap between the have and have not is widening (in ireland its bad, last time i was in Yorkshire, i was left thinking, Jaysus lads!)
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And then of course theres many living beyond their means and living on credit. The haves and have nots gap is widening. |
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It is pretty much impossible to isolate the impact of Brexit over this period, which is what many economists say in the BBC article if you care to read:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg75npqkq4o
In the time so far, I am pretty sure there must be some detrimental impact as this is a huge change and we are leaving the economic union with one of the largest trading partners.
The outcome of Brexit depends on what the politicians do with the sovereignty and independence that they have in their hands. So far, it hasn't been used well enough. We still have many of the same regulatory barriers that we got from our time in the EU, one of the main reason why EU's economy stagnated too. |
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"It is pretty much impossible to isolate the impact of Brexit over this period, which is what many economists say in the BBC article if you care to read:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg75npqkq4o
In the time so far, I am pretty sure there must be some detrimental impact as this is a huge change and we are leaving the economic union with one of the largest trading partners.
The outcome of Brexit depends on what the politicians do with the sovereignty and independence that they have in their hands. So far, it hasn't been used well enough. We still have many of the same regulatory barriers that we got from our time in the EU, one of the main reason why EU's economy stagnated too."
According to the report it is calculated from the day after the referendum and about half of that figure is from the referendum and all the uncertainty including changing prime ministers and general election up until Brexit itself so a little misleading. It also assumes that the UK would have roughly kept pace with US growth despite no EU country managing that. They do note that the effect on the financial services sector is no way close to what was predicted. The city of London now want to stay out and don't even want closer alignment |
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By *ackal1Couple 3 weeks ago
Manchester |
"It is pretty much impossible to isolate the impact of Brexit over this period, which is what many economists say in the BBC article if you care to read:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg75npqkq4o
In the time so far, I am pretty sure there must be some detrimental impact as this is a huge change and we are leaving the economic union with one of the largest trading partners.
The outcome of Brexit depends on what the politicians do with the sovereignty and independence that they have in their hands. So far, it hasn't been used well enough. We still have many of the same regulatory barriers that we got from our time in the EU, one of the main reason why EU's economy stagnated too."
The regulations you quote were mostly to protect consumers. I exported large volumes and paperwork was not an issue until we left.
The EU is protectionist which when we were on the inside was great for the U.K.
Now we are out we suffer because we have to follow the rules to sell there but have no say in those rules.
Chinese cars are now accounting for 10% of new car sales in this country because we don’t impose tariffs . That’s our sovereignty at work.
However those imports will potentially lead to the closure of car factories in this country. Self inflicted failure coming our way again,
Brexit was a complete con. It was about avoiding tax regulation and big corporation wanting the American low tax low wage model.
The likes of Amazon, Starbucks etc would have been forced to pay their due tax in this country if the EU had got their way.
The U.K’s huge financial services industry was key to that policy.
It was never about sovereignty or £350m a week for the NHS.
The fantasy that we can compete with low wage economies in the far east for growth is laughable. JCB said their exports will grow. And they did.
So they built new factories in India and China to use low wage labour. Oh and they don’t pay tax on the vast majority of their income .
We need a government that puts our people first . Sadly none of the present parties seem to be able to do that but they are good at providing professional politicians. Maybe can sell them.
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"It is pretty much impossible to isolate the impact of Brexit over this period, which is what many economists say in the BBC article if you care to read:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg75npqkq4o
In the time so far, I am pretty sure there must be some detrimental impact as this is a huge change and we are leaving the economic union with one of the largest trading partners.
The outcome of Brexit depends on what the politicians do with the sovereignty and independence that they have in their hands. So far, it hasn't been used well enough. We still have many of the same regulatory barriers that we got from our time in the EU, one of the main reason why EU's economy stagnated too.
According to the report it is calculated from the day after the referendum and about half of that figure is from the referendum and all the uncertainty including changing prime ministers and general election up until Brexit itself so a little misleading. It also assumes that the UK would have roughly kept pace with US growth despite no EU country managing that. They do note that the effect on the financial services sector is no way close to what was predicted. The city of London now want to stay out and don't even want closer alignment "
 Yeah I would have accepted these findings if the EU is doing well. They are in a serious decline themselves. |
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The regulations you quote were mostly to protect consumers. I exported large volumes and paperwork was not an issue until we left.
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There are good regulations and there are bad regulations. The EU is notorious for writing bad regulations. They already screwed over Europe in tech. They are well on the way to screw over Europe in AI too. Meanwhile the US and Asia are competing each other in both these industries.
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The EU is protectionist which when we were on the inside was great for the U.K.
Now we are out we suffer because we have to follow the rules to sell there but have no say in those rules.
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It's not like we had a huge say in the past too. How many votes did we have in the legislative process?
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Chinese cars are now accounting for 10% of new car sales in this country because we don’t impose tariffs . That’s our sovereignty at work.
However those imports will potentially lead to the closure of car factories in this country. Self inflicted failure coming our way again,
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What's wrong about 10% of cars being Chinese? They push the prices down for the consumers. In the EU, it's 6% now after all the tariffs.
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Brexit was a complete con. It was about avoiding tax regulation and big corporation wanting the American low tax low wage model.
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Neither corporation tax nor minimum wage is set by the EU. Not sure where this conspiracy theory comes from.
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The likes of Amazon, Starbucks etc would have been forced to pay their due tax in this country if the EU had got their way.
The U.K’s huge financial services industry was key to that policy.
It was never about sovereignty or £350m a week for the NHS.
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UK financial services were against Brexit. It's only after Brexit, they realised the benefits.
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The fantasy that we can compete with low wage economies in the far east for growth is laughable. JCB said their exports will grow. And they did.
So they built new factories in India and China to use low wage labour. Oh and they don’t pay tax on the vast majority of their income .
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Again, none of these problems would have been solved even if were in the EU.
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We need a government that puts our people first . Sadly none of the present parties seem to be able to do that but they are good at providing professional politicians. Maybe can sell them.
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It was the people's choice at the end of the day. Not sure what better way there is to put people first than letting them make the choice. |
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The substantial harm that it would cause the UK were discussed in detail here, before the referendum. It's worth searching the forum and seeing how correct they are.
The harm to the economy and the average person here is massive and will be for many years. We'll likely never recover. Unlike many of the people with substantial wealth who have done very well. It's just not the typical voter.  |
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By *abioMan 3 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"The UK economy has taken a 6% hit from the effects of Brexit, according to economists' analysis of internal Bank of England data about the decisions, views and financial results of thousands of British companies since the referendum a decade ago (Full article bbc)
Separately polling suggests that 55% of Britons support the UK rejoining the EU.
Is it a coincidence that today the guardian reports, the UK could keep special pre-Brexit terms if it rejoined EU, said the EU’s Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier.
Is it likely a second referendum may be offered as a general election sweetener ?
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I think they would absolutely let us rejoin with the opt out we had (monetary, defence and Schengen )
The rebate….. I don’t think that would come back!
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By *abioMan 3 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"It is pretty much impossible to isolate the impact of Brexit over this period, which is what many economists say in the BBC article if you care to read:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg75npqkq4o
In the time so far, I am pretty sure there must be some detrimental impact as this is a huge change and we are leaving the economic union with one of the largest trading partners.
The outcome of Brexit depends on what the politicians do with the sovereignty and independence that they have in their hands. So far, it hasn't been used well enough. We still have many of the same regulatory barriers that we got from our time in the EU, one of the main reason why EU's economy stagnated too."
Brexiteers thought that the commonwealth and the US would save them… yeah, how did that go? |
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By *abioMan 3 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit. "
By different you mean less smooth, more complicated and lots more paperwork….
And all the deals you have made so far, they are all basically templates of the one you had in the EU
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"It is pretty much impossible to isolate the impact of Brexit over this period, which is what many economists say in the BBC article if you care to read:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg75npqkq4o
In the time so far, I am pretty sure there must be some detrimental impact as this is a huge change and we are leaving the economic union with one of the largest trading partners.
The outcome of Brexit depends on what the politicians do with the sovereignty and independence that they have in their hands. So far, it hasn't been used well enough. We still have many of the same regulatory barriers that we got from our time in the EU, one of the main reason why EU's economy stagnated too.
Brexiteers thought that the commonwealth and the US would save them… yeah, how did that go?"
Probably slightly better than how the EU is doing |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit. "
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU? |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?"
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP. |
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By *ermbiMan 3 weeks ago
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit. "
If it is such a significant benefit then why has the agreement with Japan not amounted to more than what it takes to run the Commonwealth office? Countries will look after their own interests first. The huge trade agreements have not materialised |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP."
Cool, thanks hats made up for the 6% loss caused by Brexit then? |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Cool, thanks hats made up for the 6% loss caused by Brexit then?"
As mentioned in the article itself, that 6% calculation methods are questioned by many economists |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Cool, thanks hats made up for the 6% loss caused by Brexit then?
As mentioned in the article itself, that 6% calculation methods are questioned by many economists "
So has it made up for the losses caused by Brexit? |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Cool, thanks hats made up for the 6% loss caused by Brexit then?
As mentioned in the article itself, that 6% calculation methods are questioned by many economists
So has it made up for the losses caused by Brexit?"
Maybe. Maybe not. We just don't have the numbers.
We still have the future to look forward to. OECD predicts UK to grow faster than the EU. EU's economy is going down the toilet anyway as they regulate themselves to death. |
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"If you using thee BBC as your credible source I think you need to dig further. I'm not saying that brexit has been a failure nor success for the economy however I truly believe that the shit cunts running the country since the vote to leave have fucked it"
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That's the point though, leaving the union left us royally fucked up and was always going to. |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Cool, thanks hats made up for the 6% loss caused by Brexit then?
As mentioned in the article itself, that 6% calculation methods are questioned by many economists
So has it made up for the losses caused by Brexit?
Maybe. Maybe not. We just don't have the numbers.
We still have the future to look forward to. OECD predicts UK to grow faster than the EU. EU's economy is going down the toilet anyway as they regulate themselves to death. "
Can I just check, are you saying that the UK economy isn’t worse off due to Brexit, or that we just don’t know how much worse off due to Brexit? |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Cool, thanks hats made up for the 6% loss caused by Brexit then?
As mentioned in the article itself, that 6% calculation methods are questioned by many economists
So has it made up for the losses caused by Brexit?
Maybe. Maybe not. We just don't have the numbers.
We still have the future to look forward to. OECD predicts UK to grow faster than the EU. EU's economy is going down the toilet anyway as they regulate themselves to death.
Can I just check, are you saying that the UK economy isn’t worse off due to Brexit, or that we just don’t know how much worse off due to Brexit?"
We don't know if we are worse off or not worse off. There is no way you can calculate economics of an alternate history over such a long period of time. |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Cool, thanks hats made up for the 6% loss caused by Brexit then?
As mentioned in the article itself, that 6% calculation methods are questioned by many economists
So has it made up for the losses caused by Brexit?
Maybe. Maybe not. We just don't have the numbers.
We still have the future to look forward to. OECD predicts UK to grow faster than the EU. EU's economy is going down the toilet anyway as they regulate themselves to death.
Can I just check, are you saying that the UK economy isn’t worse off due to Brexit, or that we just don’t know how much worse off due to Brexit?
We don't know if we are worse off or not worse off. There is no way you can calculate economics of an alternate history over such a long period of time."
So how long do we have to wait until we know, will any of us still be alive? |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Cool, thanks hats made up for the 6% loss caused by Brexit then?
As mentioned in the article itself, that 6% calculation methods are questioned by many economists
So has it made up for the losses caused by Brexit?
Maybe. Maybe not. We just don't have the numbers.
We still have the future to look forward to. OECD predicts UK to grow faster than the EU. EU's economy is going down the toilet anyway as they regulate themselves to death.
Can I just check, are you saying that the UK economy isn’t worse off due to Brexit, or that we just don’t know how much worse off due to Brexit?
We don't know if we are worse off or not worse off. There is no way you can calculate economics of an alternate history over such a long period of time.
So how long do we have to wait until we know, will any of us still be alive?"
You will never know either way. The point is UK has control over its own economy and political direction now. So how it works out depends on how the British politicians make use of the sovereignty. All we could do is to compare how the UK and the EU are doing overtime. You can't predict what might have happened if we stayed in the EU. |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Cool, thanks hats made up for the 6% loss caused by Brexit then?
As mentioned in the article itself, that 6% calculation methods are questioned by many economists
So has it made up for the losses caused by Brexit?
Maybe. Maybe not. We just don't have the numbers.
We still have the future to look forward to. OECD predicts UK to grow faster than the EU. EU's economy is going down the toilet anyway as they regulate themselves to death.
Can I just check, are you saying that the UK economy isn’t worse off due to Brexit, or that we just don’t know how much worse off due to Brexit?
We don't know if we are worse off or not worse off. There is no way you can calculate economics of an alternate history over such a long period of time.
So how long do we have to wait until we know, will any of us still be alive?
You will never know either way. The point is UK has control over its own economy and political direction now. So how it works out depends on how the British politicians make use of the sovereignty. All we could do is to compare how the UK and the EU are doing overtime. You can't predict what might have happened if we stayed in the EU."
So you are saying we will never know what effect Brexit had on the economy? |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Cool, thanks hats made up for the 6% loss caused by Brexit then?
As mentioned in the article itself, that 6% calculation methods are questioned by many economists
So has it made up for the losses caused by Brexit?
Maybe. Maybe not. We just don't have the numbers.
We still have the future to look forward to. OECD predicts UK to grow faster than the EU. EU's economy is going down the toilet anyway as they regulate themselves to death.
Can I just check, are you saying that the UK economy isn’t worse off due to Brexit, or that we just don’t know how much worse off due to Brexit?
We don't know if we are worse off or not worse off. There is no way you can calculate economics of an alternate history over such a long period of time.
So how long do we have to wait until we know, will any of us still be alive?
You will never know either way. The point is UK has control over its own economy and political direction now. So how it works out depends on how the British politicians make use of the sovereignty. All we could do is to compare how the UK and the EU are doing overtime. You can't predict what might have happened if we stayed in the EU.
So you are saying we will never know what effect Brexit had on the economy?"
Yes. |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Cool, thanks hats made up for the 6% loss caused by Brexit then?
As mentioned in the article itself, that 6% calculation methods are questioned by many economists
So has it made up for the losses caused by Brexit?
Maybe. Maybe not. We just don't have the numbers.
We still have the future to look forward to. OECD predicts UK to grow faster than the EU. EU's economy is going down the toilet anyway as they regulate themselves to death.
Can I just check, are you saying that the UK economy isn’t worse off due to Brexit, or that we just don’t know how much worse off due to Brexit?
We don't know if we are worse off or not worse off. There is no way you can calculate economics of an alternate history over such a long period of time.
So how long do we have to wait until we know, will any of us still be alive?
You will never know either way. The point is UK has control over its own economy and political direction now. So how it works out depends on how the British politicians make use of the sovereignty. All we could do is to compare how the UK and the EU are doing overtime. You can't predict what might have happened if we stayed in the EU.
So you are saying we will never know what effect Brexit had on the economy?
Yes."
Obviously that’s disappointing, I’m just glad that’s because the greatest economic minds in the world say so, and not just someone who thinks they’ve come up with a clever way of avoiding arguments that the thing the wanted so much has ruined the country. |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Cool, thanks hats made up for the 6% loss caused by Brexit then?
As mentioned in the article itself, that 6% calculation methods are questioned by many economists
So has it made up for the losses caused by Brexit?
Maybe. Maybe not. We just don't have the numbers.
We still have the future to look forward to. OECD predicts UK to grow faster than the EU. EU's economy is going down the toilet anyway as they regulate themselves to death.
Can I just check, are you saying that the UK economy isn’t worse off due to Brexit, or that we just don’t know how much worse off due to Brexit?
We don't know if we are worse off or not worse off. There is no way you can calculate economics of an alternate history over such a long period of time.
So how long do we have to wait until we know, will any of us still be alive?
You will never know either way. The point is UK has control over its own economy and political direction now. So how it works out depends on how the British politicians make use of the sovereignty. All we could do is to compare how the UK and the EU are doing overtime. You can't predict what might have happened if we stayed in the EU.
So you are saying we will never know what effect Brexit had on the economy?
Yes.
Obviously that’s disappointing, I’m just glad that’s because the greatest economic minds in the world say so, and not just someone who thinks they’ve come up with a clever way of avoiding arguments that the thing the wanted so much has ruined the country."
Some greatest economic minds say otherwise too. End of the day, it's impossible to predict the outcome of an alternate history over such a long period of time.
What we do have is data on how the two economies are really performing. |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Cool, thanks hats made up for the 6% loss caused by Brexit then?
As mentioned in the article itself, that 6% calculation methods are questioned by many economists
So has it made up for the losses caused by Brexit?
Maybe. Maybe not. We just don't have the numbers.
We still have the future to look forward to. OECD predicts UK to grow faster than the EU. EU's economy is going down the toilet anyway as they regulate themselves to death.
Can I just check, are you saying that the UK economy isn’t worse off due to Brexit, or that we just don’t know how much worse off due to Brexit?
We don't know if we are worse off or not worse off. There is no way you can calculate economics of an alternate history over such a long period of time.
So how long do we have to wait until we know, will any of us still be alive?
You will never know either way. The point is UK has control over its own economy and political direction now. So how it works out depends on how the British politicians make use of the sovereignty. All we could do is to compare how the UK and the EU are doing overtime. You can't predict what might have happened if we stayed in the EU.
So you are saying we will never know what effect Brexit had on the economy?
Yes.
Obviously that’s disappointing, I’m just glad that’s because the greatest economic minds in the world say so, and not just someone who thinks they’ve come up with a clever way of avoiding arguments that the thing the wanted so much has ruined the country.
Some greatest economic minds say otherwise too. End of the day, it's impossible to predict the outcome of an alternate history over such a long period of time.
What we do have is data on how the two economies are really performing."
Amazing how that fits your narrative, really quite stunning. |
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The undemocratic remoaners said we'd go over the cliff edge, with a car crash hard brexit, yada yada yada. Then we destroyed the economy with like 20x hard brexits with the huge over reaction to covid. This totally eclipsed everything economically.
Since then the far left labour party have been supporting the real far right neo nazis in Ukraine by giving them our money and weapons. Don't believe anything you hear on msm, they are funded to keep us right were they want us. Compliant, uninformed and in the dark. |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Cool, thanks hats made up for the 6% loss caused by Brexit then?
As mentioned in the article itself, that 6% calculation methods are questioned by many economists
So has it made up for the losses caused by Brexit?
Maybe. Maybe not. We just don't have the numbers.
We still have the future to look forward to. OECD predicts UK to grow faster than the EU. EU's economy is going down the toilet anyway as they regulate themselves to death.
Can I just check, are you saying that the UK economy isn’t worse off due to Brexit, or that we just don’t know how much worse off due to Brexit?
We don't know if we are worse off or not worse off. There is no way you can calculate economics of an alternate history over such a long period of time.
So how long do we have to wait until we know, will any of us still be alive?
You will never know either way. The point is UK has control over its own economy and political direction now. So how it works out depends on how the British politicians make use of the sovereignty. All we could do is to compare how the UK and the EU are doing overtime. You can't predict what might have happened if we stayed in the EU.
So you are saying we will never know what effect Brexit had on the economy?
Yes.
Obviously that’s disappointing, I’m just glad that’s because the greatest economic minds in the world say so, and not just someone who thinks they’ve come up with a clever way of avoiding arguments that the thing the wanted so much has ruined the country.
Some greatest economic minds say otherwise too. End of the day, it's impossible to predict the outcome of an alternate history over such a long period of time.
What we do have is data on how the two economies are really performing.
Amazing how that fits your narrative, really quite stunning."
Even after all metrics showing that the EU economy is going down the toilet, you somehow managed to find a narrative that being in the EU is good for the UK. So I am surprised that my narrative is stunning for you  |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Cool, thanks hats made up for the 6% loss caused by Brexit then?
As mentioned in the article itself, that 6% calculation methods are questioned by many economists
So has it made up for the losses caused by Brexit?
Maybe. Maybe not. We just don't have the numbers.
We still have the future to look forward to. OECD predicts UK to grow faster than the EU. EU's economy is going down the toilet anyway as they regulate themselves to death.
Can I just check, are you saying that the UK economy isn’t worse off due to Brexit, or that we just don’t know how much worse off due to Brexit?
We don't know if we are worse off or not worse off. There is no way you can calculate economics of an alternate history over such a long period of time.
So how long do we have to wait until we know, will any of us still be alive?
You will never know either way. The point is UK has control over its own economy and political direction now. So how it works out depends on how the British politicians make use of the sovereignty. All we could do is to compare how the UK and the EU are doing overtime. You can't predict what might have happened if we stayed in the EU.
So you are saying we will never know what effect Brexit had on the economy?
Yes.
Obviously that’s disappointing, I’m just glad that’s because the greatest economic minds in the world say so, and not just someone who thinks they’ve come up with a clever way of avoiding arguments that the thing the wanted so much has ruined the country.
Some greatest economic minds say otherwise too. End of the day, it's impossible to predict the outcome of an alternate history over such a long period of time.
What we do have is data on how the two economies are really performing.
Amazing how that fits your narrative, really quite stunning.
Even after all metrics showing that the EU economy is going down the toilet, you somehow managed to find a narrative that being in the EU is good for the UK. So I am surprised that my narrative is stunning for you "
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Cool, thanks hats made up for the 6% loss caused by Brexit then?
As mentioned in the article itself, that 6% calculation methods are questioned by many economists
So has it made up for the losses caused by Brexit?
Maybe. Maybe not. We just don't have the numbers.
We still have the future to look forward to. OECD predicts UK to grow faster than the EU. EU's economy is going down the toilet anyway as they regulate themselves to death.
Can I just check, are you saying that the UK economy isn’t worse off due to Brexit, or that we just don’t know how much worse off due to Brexit?
We don't know if we are worse off or not worse off. There is no way you can calculate economics of an alternate history over such a long period of time.
So how long do we have to wait until we know, will any of us still be alive?
You will never know either way. The point is UK has control over its own economy and political direction now. So how it works out depends on how the British politicians make use of the sovereignty. All we could do is to compare how the UK and the EU are doing overtime. You can't predict what might have happened if we stayed in the EU.
So you are saying we will never know what effect Brexit had on the economy?
Yes.
Obviously that’s disappointing, I’m just glad that’s because the greatest economic minds in the world say so, and not just someone who thinks they’ve come up with a clever way of avoiding arguments that the thing the wanted so much has ruined the country.
Some greatest economic minds say otherwise too. End of the day, it's impossible to predict the outcome of an alternate history over such a long period of time.
What we do have is data on how the two economies are really performing.
Amazing how that fits your narrative, really quite stunning.
Even after all metrics showing that the EU economy is going down the toilet, you somehow managed to find a narrative that being in the EU is good for the UK. So I am surprised that my narrative is stunning for you
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Since then the far left labour party have been supporting the real far right neo nazis in Ukraine by giving them our money and weapons. "
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The regulations you quote were mostly to protect consumers. I exported large volumes and paperwork was not an issue until we left.
There are good regulations and there are bad regulations. The EU is notorious for writing bad regulations. They already screwed over Europe in tech. They are well on the way to screw over Europe in AI too. Meanwhile the US and Asia are competing each other in both these industries.
The EU is protectionist which when we were on the inside was great for the U.K.
Now we are out we suffer because we have to follow the rules to sell there but have no say in those rules.
It's not like we had a huge say in the past too. How many votes did we have in the legislative process?
Chinese cars are now accounting for 10% of new car sales in this country because we don’t impose tariffs . That’s our sovereignty at work.
However those imports will potentially lead to the closure of car factories in this country. Self inflicted failure coming our way again,
What's wrong about 10% of cars being Chinese? They push the prices down for the consumers. In the EU, it's 6% now after all the tariffs.
Brexit was a complete con. It was about avoiding tax regulation and big corporation wanting the American low tax low wage model.
Neither corporation tax nor minimum wage is set by the EU. Not sure where this conspiracy theory comes from.
The likes of Amazon, Starbucks etc would have been forced to pay their due tax in this country if the EU had got their way.
The U.K’s huge financial services industry was key to that policy.
It was never about sovereignty or £350m a week for the NHS.
UK financial services were against Brexit. It's only after Brexit, they realised the benefits.
The fantasy that we can compete with low wage economies in the far east for growth is laughable. JCB said their exports will grow. And they did.
So they built new factories in India and China to use low wage labour. Oh and they don’t pay tax on the vast majority of their income .
Again, none of these problems would have been solved even if were in the EU.
We need a government that puts our people first . Sadly none of the present parties seem to be able to do that but they are good at providing professional politicians. Maybe can sell them.
It was the people's choice at the end of the day. Not sure what better way there is to put people first than letting them make the choice."
Interestingly the U.K. wrote 65% of the regulations in the EU. So that’s a big loss of influence. The system was in effect run by Germany, France and the U.K.
Chinese cars mean less production in the U.K. to lost sales. That’s not hard to understand surely?
Think about anything we no longer manufacture. It’s down to cheap imports.
The legislation try wanted to introduce was tax avoidance by corporations moving monies out of countries where the money was earned.
The U.K. financial services as I stated account for 25% of the world’s tax avoidance ( legal). This is what they wanted to stop.
London has lost around 7-10,000 jobs which isn’t many in the scheme of things.
The point here is those jobs were in many cases managing very large sums in offshore accounts which have now moved to into Europe.
In addition the money miving had in cases led to a reduction in inward investment which is a huge problem for this government and they know it.
The US is looking at the U.K. as a sick child and is wary of investing. That’s personal first hand knowledge.
Bizarrely it’s bloody horrendous to try and receive investment in the U.K. from many countries due to KYC compliance regulations of which there are around 900 now. ( Know your Customer )
The tax being paid in the U.K. would have made the likes of JCB Starbucks etc unable to avoid tax just as American citizens have to pay us tax even if they work in places such as Saudi.
But you knew that.
In one year the Bamford’s earned £177m and paid only £5m in tax allegedly. Boris gave them a £5m grant to compensate.
I totally agree with your people’s choice comment. However when they are lied to then the choice is mute. They were lied to. Call it misleading if you like
Farage said Brexit must be working because we’ve gone from 7th to 4th in exports value.
We were 4th before Brexit and the jump to 7th was not due to manufacturing or more jobs it was the price of oil and gold sales neither of which created jobs. Tax revenue did increase.
His comments were misleading and he knew it.
Tax is the key issue and it needs addressing.
Fair tax and less legal avoidance.
This government have totally fucked up the farmers tax.
Any farm over £5m and no one would have cared.
NI increases again anyone over £40k no one would have screamed foul.
Heating allowance, anyone over minimum wage income doesn’t get it.
It’s not that difficult is it! |
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By *ackal1Couple 3 weeks ago
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"The undemocratic remoaners said we'd go over the cliff edge, with a car crash hard brexit, yada yada yada. Then we destroyed the economy with like 20x hard brexits with the huge over reaction to covid. This totally eclipsed everything economically.
Since then the far left labour party have been supporting the real far right neo nazis in Ukraine by giving them our money and weapons. Don't believe anything you hear on msm, they are funded to keep us right were they want us. Compliant, uninformed and in the dark. "
And breathe!!!
One of my businesses which I’ve since sold my shares in used to export up to 300 loads a week on a busy week.
The additional customs and logistics costs put our transport bill up by £3m a year.
We moved some production to Belgium to avoid the costs.
Without being at the coal face so to speak you have no clue on how damaging Brexit has been.
To put barriers in between you and your biggest export market is madness in that single fact alone.
It’s the lack of growth which is hurting us as inflation costs the government too and less tax revenue is a massive problem,
Others comment on the poor economies of Europe .
Please feel free to look up the top ten OECD states for growth.
Amazingly a few of them are in the EU .
I worked a lot in the eastern regions in Europe and I can tell you their development makes us look like we’ve just closed up the shop.
For sovereignty and borders. Immigration is self created whipping boy target.
Sovereignty. We want to keep the pound. Oh yes and how much of your spending is electronic ? No one really gives a stuff about the colour of cash anymore.
The globalisation of business means governments have very few leavers to influence anyway. Something like 75% of our food is supplied by 11 companies.
Brexit was a huge mistake. The U.K. is not strong or rich enough to go it alone . The empire is no more. So we need to be serious and do what’s good for the country not what’s emotionally preferred.
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Interestingly the U.K. wrote 65% of the regulations in the EU. So that’s a big loss of influence. The system was in effect run by Germany, France and the U.K.
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Where did you get that 65% from? Got any source?
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Chinese cars mean less production in the U.K. to lost sales. That’s not hard to understand surely?
Think about anything we no longer manufacture. It’s down to cheap imports.
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So you also support Trump's Tariffs right?
When the EU imposed the tariffs, Germany was against it. But they couldn't do anything about it. This is the problem with EU. Different countries have different industries and different tariffs will work for each country. Trying to centralise it means you will inevitably fuck some member countries in the process.
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The legislation try wanted to introduce was tax avoidance by corporations moving monies out of countries where the money was earned.
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How would staying in the EU help when most of that money is moved to some non-EU country anyway?
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The U.K. financial services as I stated account for 25% of the world’s tax avoidance ( legal). This is what they wanted to stop.
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Who wanted to stop and how? Are you saying that the financial services in Europe aren't doing this?
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London has lost around 7-10,000 jobs which isn’t many in the scheme of things.
The point here is those jobs were in many cases managing very large sums in offshore accounts which have now moved to into Europe.
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These things were said immediately after Brexit. But as things stand, London is doing well and even better than it did before Brexit when it comes to financial services. The same finance bosses who supported remain before Brexit are now happy that we left the EU.
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In addition the money miving had in cases led to a reduction in inward investment which is a huge problem for this government and they know it.
The US is looking at the U.K. as a sick child and is wary of investing. That’s personal first hand knowledge.
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The US investment in Europe has also reduced drastically in the last few years. The EU is the sick child of the world. Now that we have left that bureaucratic organisation, it is on our politicians to change our regulations to attract investment. But except for finance, they haven't touched anything else. So we, along with the EU are still being sick.
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The tax being paid in the U.K. would have made the likes of JCB Starbucks etc unable to avoid tax just as American citizens have to pay us tax even if they work in places such as Saudi.
But you knew that.
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Again, why do we have to be in the EU to solve this when the EU is struggling itself to do it?
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I totally agree with your people’s choice comment. However when they are lied to then the choice is mute. They were lied to. Call it misleading if you like
Farage said Brexit must be working because we’ve gone from 7th to 4th in exports value.
We were 4th before Brexit and the jump to 7th was not due to manufacturing or more jobs it was the price of oil and gold sales neither of which created jobs. Tax revenue did increase.
His comments were misleading and he knew it.
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Numerous predictions for Brexit said that it would be catastrophic to the UK. Most of their predictions didn't materalise. Is it fair to say that the remainers were lied to were idiots who believed in the misinformation and voted remain?
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Tax is the key issue and it needs addressing.
Fair tax and less legal avoidance.
This government have totally fucked up the farmers tax.
Any farm over £5m and no one would have cared.
NI increases again anyone over £40k no one would have screamed foul.
Heating allowance, anyone over minimum wage income doesn’t get it.
It’s not that difficult is it! "
Whether the things you are suggesting are good or bad is a whole different debate. But none of this have anything to do with us being in the EU.
Let me put it this way - The National Rally in France and AfD in Germany have gained a lot of support in their respective countries recently. This means that even the EU would end up with many politicians from these parties. Will you still support UK being part of the EU?
The EU should have been just a trade union and nothing else. The power hungry politicians made it a political union that eventually destroyed Europe from within and the worst part is that the bureaucratic monster they created cannot be even easily fixed by anyone from within. |
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The regulations you quote were mostly to protect consumers. I exported large volumes and paperwork was not an issue until we left.
There are good regulations and there are bad regulations. The EU is notorious for writing bad regulations. They already screwed over Europe in tech. They are well on the way to screw over Europe in AI too. Meanwhile the US and Asia are competing each other in both these industries.
The EU is protectionist which when we were on the inside was great for the U.K.
Now we are out we suffer because we have to follow the rules to sell there but have no say in those rules.
It's not like we had a huge say in the past too. How many votes did we have in the legislative process?
Chinese cars are now accounting for 10% of new car sales in this country because we don’t impose tariffs . That’s our sovereignty at work.
However those imports will potentially lead to the closure of car factories in this country. Self inflicted failure coming our way again,
What's wrong about 10% of cars being Chinese? They push the prices down for the consumers. In the EU, it's 6% now after all the tariffs.
Brexit was a complete con. It was about avoiding tax regulation and big corporation wanting the American low tax low wage model.
Neither corporation tax nor minimum wage is set by the EU. Not sure where this conspiracy theory comes from.
The likes of Amazon, Starbucks etc would have been forced to pay their due tax in this country if the EU had got their way.
The U.K’s huge financial services industry was key to that policy.
It was never about sovereignty or £350m a week for the NHS.
UK financial services were against Brexit. It's only after Brexit, they realised the benefits.
The fantasy that we can compete with low wage economies in the far east for growth is laughable. JCB said their exports will grow. And they did.
So they built new factories in India and China to use low wage labour. Oh and they don’t pay tax on the vast majority of their income .
Again, none of these problems would have been solved even if were in the EU.
We need a government that puts our people first . Sadly none of the present parties seem to be able to do that but they are good at providing professional politicians. Maybe can sell them.
It was the people's choice at the end of the day. Not sure what better way there is to put people first than letting them make the choice.
Interestingly the U.K. wrote 65% of the regulations in the EU. So that’s a big loss of influence. The system was in effect run by Germany, France and the U.K.
Chinese cars mean less production in the U.K. to lost sales. That’s not hard to understand surely?
Think about anything we no longer manufacture. It’s down to cheap imports.
The legislation try wanted to introduce was tax avoidance by corporations moving monies out of countries where the money was earned.
The U.K. financial services as I stated account for 25% of the world’s tax avoidance ( legal). This is what they wanted to stop.
London has lost around 7-10,000 jobs which isn’t many in the scheme of things.
The point here is those jobs were in many cases managing very large sums in offshore accounts which have now moved to into Europe.
In addition the money miving had in cases led to a reduction in inward investment which is a huge problem for this government and they know it.
The US is looking at the U.K. as a sick child and is wary of investing. That’s personal first hand knowledge.
Bizarrely it’s bloody horrendous to try and receive investment in the U.K. from many countries due to KYC compliance regulations of which there are around 900 now. ( Know your Customer )
The tax being paid in the U.K. would have made the likes of JCB Starbucks etc unable to avoid tax just as American citizens have to pay us tax even if they work in places such as Saudi.
But you knew that.
In one year the Bamford’s earned £177m and paid only £5m in tax allegedly. Boris gave them a £5m grant to compensate.
I totally agree with your people’s choice comment. However when they are lied to then the choice is mute. They were lied to. Call it misleading if you like
Farage said Brexit must be working because we’ve gone from 7th to 4th in exports value.
We were 4th before Brexit and the jump to 7th was not due to manufacturing or more jobs it was the price of oil and gold sales neither of which created jobs. Tax revenue did increase.
His comments were misleading and he knew it.
Tax is the key issue and it needs addressing.
Fair tax and less legal avoidance.
This government have totally fucked up the farmers tax.
Any farm over £5m and no one would have cared.
NI increases again anyone over £40k no one would have screamed foul.
Heating allowance, anyone over minimum wage income doesn’t get it.
It’s not that difficult is it! "
Just a quick question on the tarriffs thing. Doesn't the UK now determine what tariffs to apply to imports and isn't that determined by politicians in power? As far as I know Brexit doesn't stop the UK charging the same tarriffs as the EU but politicians have decided against it for now at least. In other words the difference lack of tarriffs is the fault of politicians only |
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The regulations you quote were mostly to protect consumers. I exported large volumes and paperwork was not an issue until we left.
There are good regulations and there are bad regulations. The EU is notorious for writing bad regulations. They already screwed over Europe in tech. They are well on the way to screw over Europe in AI too. Meanwhile the US and Asia are competing each other in both these industries.
The EU is protectionist which when we were on the inside was great for the U.K.
Now we are out we suffer because we have to follow the rules to sell there but have no say in those rules.
It's not like we had a huge say in the past too. How many votes did we have in the legislative process?
Chinese cars are now accounting for 10% of new car sales in this country because we don’t impose tariffs . That’s our sovereignty at work.
However those imports will potentially lead to the closure of car factories in this country. Self inflicted failure coming our way again,
What's wrong about 10% of cars being Chinese? They push the prices down for the consumers. In the EU, it's 6% now after all the tariffs.
Brexit was a complete con. It was about avoiding tax regulation and big corporation wanting the American low tax low wage model.
Neither corporation tax nor minimum wage is set by the EU. Not sure where this conspiracy theory comes from.
The likes of Amazon, Starbucks etc would have been forced to pay their due tax in this country if the EU had got their way.
The U.K’s huge financial services industry was key to that policy.
It was never about sovereignty or £350m a week for the NHS.
UK financial services were against Brexit. It's only after Brexit, they realised the benefits.
The fantasy that we can compete with low wage economies in the far east for growth is laughable. JCB said their exports will grow. And they did.
So they built new factories in India and China to use low wage labour. Oh and they don’t pay tax on the vast majority of their income .
Again, none of these problems would have been solved even if were in the EU.
We need a government that puts our people first . Sadly none of the present parties seem to be able to do that but they are good at providing professional politicians. Maybe can sell them.
It was the people's choice at the end of the day. Not sure what better way there is to put people first than letting them make the choice.
Interestingly the U.K. wrote 65% of the regulations in the EU. So that’s a big loss of influence. The system was in effect run by Germany, France and the U.K.
Chinese cars mean less production in the U.K. to lost sales. That’s not hard to understand surely?
Think about anything we no longer manufacture. It’s down to cheap imports.
The legislation try wanted to introduce was tax avoidance by corporations moving monies out of countries where the money was earned.
The U.K. financial services as I stated account for 25% of the world’s tax avoidance ( legal). This is what they wanted to stop.
London has lost around 7-10,000 jobs which isn’t many in the scheme of things.
The point here is those jobs were in many cases managing very large sums in offshore accounts which have now moved to into Europe.
In addition the money miving had in cases led to a reduction in inward investment which is a huge problem for this government and they know it.
The US is looking at the U.K. as a sick child and is wary of investing. That’s personal first hand knowledge.
Bizarrely it’s bloody horrendous to try and receive investment in the U.K. from many countries due to KYC compliance regulations of which there are around 900 now. ( Know your Customer )
The tax being paid in the U.K. would have made the likes of JCB Starbucks etc unable to avoid tax just as American citizens have to pay us tax even if they work in places such as Saudi.
But you knew that.
In one year the Bamford’s earned £177m and paid only £5m in tax allegedly. Boris gave them a £5m grant to compensate.
I totally agree with your people’s choice comment. However when they are lied to then the choice is mute. They were lied to. Call it misleading if you like
Farage said Brexit must be working because we’ve gone from 7th to 4th in exports value.
We were 4th before Brexit and the jump to 7th was not due to manufacturing or more jobs it was the price of oil and gold sales neither of which created jobs. Tax revenue did increase.
His comments were misleading and he knew it.
Tax is the key issue and it needs addressing.
Fair tax and less legal avoidance.
This government have totally fucked up the farmers tax.
Any farm over £5m and no one would have cared.
NI increases again anyone over £40k no one would have screamed foul.
Heating allowance, anyone over minimum wage income doesn’t get it.
It’s not that difficult is it! "
I think some people just feign that it's difficult, plus that expertise can't make accurate predictions of economic impacts. Whilst trying to be as happy as a pig in shit  |
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I think some people just feign that it's difficult, plus that expertise can't make accurate predictions of economic impacts. Whilst trying to be as happy as a pig in shit "
The "experts" from Bank of England and IMF struggle to make correct economic forecast even for a year ahead and they get it wrong so many times. Do you seriously think that they are capable of predicting what would have happened if Brexit never happened, over such a long period of times? There are "experts" who also call out these predictions as bullshit.
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By *abioMan 3 weeks ago
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP."
Actually… that’s not true!
Since the “liberation day” tariffs were found to be illegal, they are actually still paying the same rates as the EU
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Actually… that’s not true!
Since the “liberation day” tariffs were found to be illegal, they are actually still paying the same rates as the EU
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The 15% tariffs on EU still applies. If not why did the European parliament approve the deal just few days back?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/16/european-parliament-finally-approves-trump-tariff-deal |
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By *abioMan 3 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Actually… that’s not true!
Since the “liberation day” tariffs were found to be illegal, they are actually still paying the same rates as the EU
The 15% tariffs on EU still applies. If not why did the European parliament approve the deal just few days back?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/16/european-parliament-finally-approves-trump-tariff-deal"
Because the EU are so slow what they actually voted on and ratified was the outline of the EU-US trade deal…
That was the one that the vote had been delayed twice because of trump going on his “I can just determine a tariff just because I feel like it everything is a national security issue” period ! |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Actually… that’s not true!
Since the “liberation day” tariffs were found to be illegal, they are actually still paying the same rates as the EU
The 15% tariffs on EU still applies. If not why did the European parliament approve the deal just few days back?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/16/european-parliament-finally-approves-trump-tariff-deal
Because the EU are so slow what they actually voted on and ratified was the outline of the EU-US trade deal…
That was the one that the vote had been delayed twice because of trump going on his “I can just determine a tariff just because I feel like it everything is a national security issue” period ! "
Yes, but the 15% tariffs on EU is still going to be enforced and the UK has a better deal here. |
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"The UK economy has taken a 6% hit from the effects of Brexit, according to economists' analysis of internal Bank of England data about the decisions, views and financial results of thousands of British companies since the referendum a decade ago (Full article bbc)
Separately polling suggests that 55% of Britons support the UK rejoining the EU.
Is it a coincidence that today the guardian reports, the UK could keep special pre-Brexit terms if it rejoined EU, said the EU’s Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier.
Is it likely a second referendum may be offered as a general election sweetener ?
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But if the EU inforsed that ghe UK adopted the € how would still want to re join 🤔.
Surly in is in. Ans out is out out. £££ |
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By *ermbiMan 2 weeks ago
Ballyshannon |
"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Actually… that’s not true!
Since the “liberation day” tariffs were found to be illegal, they are actually still paying the same rates as the EU
The 15% tariffs on EU still applies. If not why did the European parliament approve the deal just few days back?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/16/european-parliament-finally-approves-trump-tariff-deal
Because the EU are so slow what they actually voted on and ratified was the outline of the EU-US trade deal…
That was the one that the vote had been delayed twice because of trump going on his “I can just determine a tariff just because I feel like it everything is a national security issue” period !
Yes, but the 15% tariffs on EU is still going to be enforced and the UK has a better deal here."
You cannot claim that the UK has a better deal as it is not comparing like with like. That narrative is wrong |
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By *abioMan 2 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"The UK economy has taken a 6% hit from the effects of Brexit, according to economists' analysis of internal Bank of England data about the decisions, views and financial results of thousands of British companies since the referendum a decade ago (Full article bbc)
Separately polling suggests that 55% of Britons support the UK rejoining the EU.
Is it a coincidence that today the guardian reports, the UK could keep special pre-Brexit terms if it rejoined EU, said the EU’s Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier.
Is it likely a second referendum may be offered as a general election sweetener ?
But if the EU inforsed that ghe UK adopted the € how would still want to re join 🤔.
Surly in is in. Ans out is out out. £££"
I think that is what the person alluded to by the pre Brexit special conditions
Monetary opt out (euro, the ECB and the eurozone) Denmark does, Sweden in de facto does as their krona is tied to the ERM
Defence opt out ( common defence policy and the European army concept) Denmark did but decided to opt in after a referendum
And the free movement opt out (Schengen area) again .. Denmark does, Ireland does, Poland does for certain parts
Giving those back to the uk would not be a big concession as others hold them, or did!
The biggest stumbling block would be the “rebate” as that was a uk specific legacy agreement (don’t give thatcher credit for much but she played a blinder there) |
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"The UK economy has taken a 6% hit from the effects of Brexit, according to economists' analysis of internal Bank of England data about the decisions, views and financial results of thousands of British companies since the referendum a decade ago (Full article bbc)
Separately polling suggests that 55% of Britons support the UK rejoining the EU.
Is it a coincidence that today the guardian reports, the UK could keep special pre-Brexit terms if it rejoined EU, said the EU’s Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier.
Is it likely a second referendum may be offered as a general election sweetener ?
But if the EU inforsed that ghe UK adopted the € how would still want to re join 🤔.
Surly in is in. Ans out is out out. £££
I think that is what the person alluded to by the pre Brexit special conditions
Monetary opt out (euro, the ECB and the eurozone) Denmark does, Sweden in de facto does as their krona is tied to the ERM
Defence opt out ( common defence policy and the European army concept) Denmark did but decided to opt in after a referendum
And the free movement opt out (Schengen area) again .. Denmark does, Ireland does, Poland does for certain parts
Giving those back to the uk would not be a big concession as others hold them, or did!
The biggest stumbling block would be the “rebate” as that was a uk specific legacy agreement (don’t give thatcher credit for much but she played a blinder there) "
The electorate might want something more concrete than just someone eluding to certain conditions maybe offered. Also what happened to the 'they wouldn't want us back anyway ' train of thought that was once popular |
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By *ermbiMan 2 weeks ago
Ballyshannon |
"The UK economy has taken a 6% hit from the effects of Brexit, according to economists' analysis of internal Bank of England data about the decisions, views and financial results of thousands of British companies since the referendum a decade ago (Full article bbc)
Separately polling suggests that 55% of Britons support the UK rejoining the EU.
Is it a coincidence that today the guardian reports, the UK could keep special pre-Brexit terms if it rejoined EU, said the EU’s Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier.
Is it likely a second referendum may be offered as a general election sweetener ?
But if the EU inforsed that ghe UK adopted the € how would still want to re join 🤔.
Surly in is in. Ans out is out out. £££
I think that is what the person alluded to by the pre Brexit special conditions
Monetary opt out (euro, the ECB and the eurozone) Denmark does, Sweden in de facto does as their krona is tied to the ERM
Defence opt out ( common defence policy and the European army concept) Denmark did but decided to opt in after a referendum
And the free movement opt out (Schengen area) again .. Denmark does, Ireland does, Poland does for certain parts
Giving those back to the uk would not be a big concession as others hold them, or did!
The biggest stumbling block would be the “rebate” as that was a uk specific legacy agreement (don’t give thatcher credit for much but she played a blinder there)
The electorate might want something more concrete than just someone eluding to certain conditions maybe offered. Also what happened to the 'they wouldn't want us back anyway ' train of thought that was once popular "
The electorate got nothing concrete before the referendum. A poll based on lies and big personalities peddaling their own agenda. And a mess of a result |
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"The UK economy has taken a 6% hit from the effects of Brexit, according to economists' analysis of internal Bank of England data about the decisions, views and financial results of thousands of British companies since the referendum a decade ago (Full article bbc)
Separately polling suggests that 55% of Britons support the UK rejoining the EU.
Is it a coincidence that today the guardian reports, the UK could keep special pre-Brexit terms if it rejoined EU, said the EU’s Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier.
Is it likely a second referendum may be offered as a general election sweetener ?
But if the EU inforsed that ghe UK adopted the € how would still want to re join 🤔.
Surly in is in. Ans out is out out. £££
I think that is what the person alluded to by the pre Brexit special conditions
Monetary opt out (euro, the ECB and the eurozone) Denmark does, Sweden in de facto does as their krona is tied to the ERM
Defence opt out ( common defence policy and the European army concept) Denmark did but decided to opt in after a referendum
And the free movement opt out (Schengen area) again .. Denmark does, Ireland does, Poland does for certain parts
Giving those back to the uk would not be a big concession as others hold them, or did!
The biggest stumbling block would be the “rebate” as that was a uk specific legacy agreement (don’t give thatcher credit for much but she played a blinder there)
The electorate might want something more concrete than just someone eluding to certain conditions maybe offered. Also what happened to the 'they wouldn't want us back anyway ' train of thought that was once popular "
Somewhere today I read two thirds EU support uk rejoining |
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"The UK economy has taken a 6% hit from the effects of Brexit, according to economists' analysis of internal Bank of England data about the decisions, views and financial results of thousands of British companies since the referendum a decade ago (Full article bbc)
Separately polling suggests that 55% of Britons support the UK rejoining the EU.
Is it a coincidence that today the guardian reports, the UK could keep special pre-Brexit terms if it rejoined EU, said the EU’s Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier.
Is it likely a second referendum may be offered as a general election sweetener ?
But if the EU inforsed that ghe UK adopted the € how would still want to re join 🤔.
Surly in is in. Ans out is out out. £££
I think that is what the person alluded to by the pre Brexit special conditions
Monetary opt out (euro, the ECB and the eurozone) Denmark does, Sweden in de facto does as their krona is tied to the ERM
Defence opt out ( common defence policy and the European army concept) Denmark did but decided to opt in after a referendum
And the free movement opt out (Schengen area) again .. Denmark does, Ireland does, Poland does for certain parts
Giving those back to the uk would not be a big concession as others hold them, or did!
The biggest stumbling block would be the “rebate” as that was a uk specific legacy agreement (don’t give thatcher credit for much but she played a blinder there)
The electorate might want something more concrete than just someone eluding to certain conditions maybe offered. Also what happened to the 'they wouldn't want us back anyway ' train of thought that was once popular
The electorate got nothing concrete before the referendum. A poll based on lies and big personalities peddaling their own agenda. And a mess of a result"
Which has been critised widely including here. Maybe best not to repeat the same thing |
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By *ermbiMan 2 weeks ago
Ballyshannon |
"The UK economy has taken a 6% hit from the effects of Brexit, according to economists' analysis of internal Bank of England data about the decisions, views and financial results of thousands of British companies since the referendum a decade ago (Full article bbc)
Separately polling suggests that 55% of Britons support the UK rejoining the EU.
Is it a coincidence that today the guardian reports, the UK could keep special pre-Brexit terms if it rejoined EU, said the EU’s Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier.
Is it likely a second referendum may be offered as a general election sweetener ?
But if the EU inforsed that ghe UK adopted the € how would still want to re join 🤔.
Surly in is in. Ans out is out out. £££
I think that is what the person alluded to by the pre Brexit special conditions
Monetary opt out (euro, the ECB and the eurozone) Denmark does, Sweden in de facto does as their krona is tied to the ERM
Defence opt out ( common defence policy and the European army concept) Denmark did but decided to opt in after a referendum
And the free movement opt out (Schengen area) again .. Denmark does, Ireland does, Poland does for certain parts
Giving those back to the uk would not be a big concession as others hold them, or did!
The biggest stumbling block would be the “rebate” as that was a uk specific legacy agreement (don’t give thatcher credit for much but she played a blinder there)
The electorate might want something more concrete than just someone eluding to certain conditions maybe offered. Also what happened to the 'they wouldn't want us back anyway ' train of thought that was once popular
The electorate got nothing concrete before the referendum. A poll based on lies and big personalities peddaling their own agenda. And a mess of a result
Which has been critised widely including here. Maybe best not to repeat the same thing "
I can say it as much as i want. As much right to have an opinion as anyone else. It seems you have a problem with that |
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By *ackal1Couple 2 weeks ago
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Interestingly the U.K. wrote 65% of the regulations in the EU. So that’s a big loss of influence. The system was in effect run by Germany, France and the U.K.
Where did you get that 65% from? Got any source?
Chinese cars mean less production in the U.K. to lost sales. That’s not hard to understand surely?
Think about anything we no longer manufacture. It’s down to cheap imports.
So you also support Trump's Tariffs right?
When the EU imposed the tariffs, Germany was against it. But they couldn't do anything about it. This is the problem with EU. Different countries have different industries and different tariffs will work for each country. Trying to centralise it means you will inevitably fuck some member countries in the process.
The legislation try wanted to introduce was tax avoidance by corporations moving monies out of countries where the money was earned.
How would staying in the EU help when most of that money is moved to some non-EU country anyway?
The U.K. financial services as I stated account for 25% of the world’s tax avoidance ( legal). This is what they wanted to stop.
Who wanted to stop and how? Are you saying that the financial services in Europe aren't doing this?
London has lost around 7-10,000 jobs which isn’t many in the scheme of things.
The point here is those jobs were in many cases managing very large sums in offshore accounts which have now moved to into Europe.
These things were said immediately after Brexit. But as things stand, London is doing well and even better than it did before Brexit when it comes to financial services. The same finance bosses who supported remain before Brexit are now happy that we left the EU.
In addition the money miving had in cases led to a reduction in inward investment which is a huge problem for this government and they know it.
The US is looking at the U.K. as a sick child and is wary of investing. That’s personal first hand knowledge.
The US investment in Europe has also reduced drastically in the last few years. The EU is the sick child of the world. Now that we have left that bureaucratic organisation, it is on our politicians to change our regulations to attract investment. But except for finance, they haven't touched anything else. So we, along with the EU are still being sick.
The tax being paid in the U.K. would have made the likes of JCB Starbucks etc unable to avoid tax just as American citizens have to pay us tax even if they work in places such as Saudi.
But you knew that.
Again, why do we have to be in the EU to solve this when the EU is struggling itself to do it?
I totally agree with your people’s choice comment. However when they are lied to then the choice is mute. They were lied to. Call it misleading if you like
Farage said Brexit must be working because we’ve gone from 7th to 4th in exports value.
We were 4th before Brexit and the jump to 7th was not due to manufacturing or more jobs it was the price of oil and gold sales neither of which created jobs. Tax revenue did increase.
His comments were misleading and he knew it.
Numerous predictions for Brexit said that it would be catastrophic to the UK. Most of their predictions didn't materalise. Is it fair to say that the remainers were lied to were idiots who believed in the misinformation and voted remain?
Tax is the key issue and it needs addressing.
Fair tax and less legal avoidance.
This government have totally fucked up the farmers tax.
Any farm over £5m and no one would have cared.
NI increases again anyone over £40k no one would have screamed foul.
Heating allowance, anyone over minimum wage income doesn’t get it.
It’s not that difficult is it!
Whether the things you are suggesting are good or bad is a whole different debate. But none of this have anything to do with us being in the EU.
Let me put it this way - The National Rally in France and AfD in Germany have gained a lot of support in their respective countries recently. This means that even the EU would end up with many politicians from these parties. Will you still support UK being part of the EU?
The EU should have been just a trade union and nothing else. The power hungry politicians made it a political union that eventually destroyed Europe from within and the worst part is that the bureaucratic monster they created cannot be even easily fixed by anyone from within."
By point
I can’t remember where I read the 65% it was ten years ago.
But a quick google today for you to show the point of our influence. .
“While the UK often felt outvoted toward the end of its membership, it actually had a massive hand in shaping major EU laws:The Single Market: The creation of the EU Single Market—the core economic engine of the bloc—was heavily driven and designed by the UK under Margaret Thatcher.
Key Positions: British Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) frequently captured powerful agenda-setting positions, such as the chairmanships of committees dealing with consumer protection and the internal market.
Winning Streak: According to academic research, the UK voted on the winning side of EU laws over 97% of the time between 2004 and 2015.
Read that again 97%
Actually I agree with tariffs if they are implimented correctly . Trumps blanket approach is foolish and too stupid to be credible . You protect your industry but import cheaply what you don’t produce.
We have coal. Why do we import cheap coal?
Profits drive our energy costs not strategy,
France has cheaper energy because the likes of EDF are controlled by the government,
I agree with you we are sick like some European countries you are correct. Putting barriers up to trade with the EU has made that sickness worse . Again check top ten OECD to see it’s not all the EU that’s sick.
I do also agree with the limitation of the EU powers but seeing as they have been a force for good regarding workers rights and citizens / consumer rights, clean water, pollution, safety etc etc. I would be wary of drawing a dividing line that hurts those benefits. . It’s not a simple in or out is it.
Regarding tax . The point of the EU legislation was to catch all the uber rich and corporations in the same net.
By working as one they would limit options to move money by stealth and be able to enforce payment.
Basically the action would limit tax leaking out of Europe into offshore havens .
The U.K. leads in those schemes so they knew without the U.K. on board it was mute but likewise we can’t do anything too radical alone .
A separate point - the city through financial and legal services makes a fortune providing those tax services . So there is an argument that the tax take they pay is a benefit.
The more recent thoughts are that’s incorrect and the system actually deprives most of the country from the shared wealth that should be paid from fair tax and whilst the city benefits the rest of the country certainly does not.
The right wing in Europe is growing because the wealthy realise if you divide people on bait politics they will be susceptible to influence . Reform is a bullshit political company which has no real interest in the people of this country .
It exists to further a limited certain few people’s agendas not the majority of this country .
Look up the “He’s stealing your cookie” cartoon to see the simplicity of their approach.
Ask why Elon Musk backs the far right? It’s not because he thinks it’s good for Europe. He knows he can influence easier than buying the left wing because wealth and the media is in fewer hands.
The economists stated it would be bad for Britain to leave . I didn’t believe the disaster stuff.
The facts are it has been bad for Britain’s economy to leave .
I will take the word of the Bank of England and Professor Nick Bloom of Stanford University over the The Sun or Daily Mail’s columnists.
The U.K. was keeping up with the US before Brexit apparently but crashed back afterwards.
Covid and Ukraine were taken into account in their calculations. .
Being involved with large scale investments I can repeat the hearsay that while UK presently has a large percentage of foreign investment for Europe as a whole the mood is now that the U.K. is not so great due to its poor economy, poor outlook and isolation from the EU.
So it’s not just Brexit but it does play its part in dragging us down.
The only way to quickly fix our economy is firstly hold MPs accountable and force them to be honest rather than influenced through cash.
Secondly fix our tax system.
Thirdly have a better trading relationship with the EU.
To rejoin is fraught with problems but making actual trade easier is a must . We have to stop the malaise somehow.
I don’t think any politicians will tell you the truth because it’s not about you it’s about them.
My view is the time for emotion is past. We need practical solutions rather than it’s all the immigrants fault. It’s not . Immigration is a problem to be sorted it’s not the reason the country is a fucking mess.
Our politics and its lies are to blame there
I don’t have time to respond again as about travel a bit.
It’s good to discuss . I’m not saying I’m 100% right I’m just raising points and facts.
Rhetoric does not help solve issues. Farage is just rhetoric and false promises.
The rest are shit of that I will agree . But less dangerous for the workers in this country.
A close relative of mine dealt with Farage for years when he was supposed to be representing UK fishermen in the EU. He said Farage didn’t give a fuck about the role and made no effort to help the fishermen. He avoided 95% % of the meetings. He took the money still.
Farage only jumped on the fishing industry bandwagon when he thought it might help his own cause. He’s a fake.
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By *abioMan 2 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"The UK economy has taken a 6% hit from the effects of Brexit, according to economists' analysis of internal Bank of England data about the decisions, views and financial results of thousands of British companies since the referendum a decade ago (Full article bbc)
Separately polling suggests that 55% of Britons support the UK rejoining the EU.
Is it a coincidence that today the guardian reports, the UK could keep special pre-Brexit terms if it rejoined EU, said the EU’s Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier.
Is it likely a second referendum may be offered as a general election sweetener ?
But if the EU inforsed that ghe UK adopted the € how would still want to re join 🤔.
Surly in is in. Ans out is out out. £££
I think that is what the person alluded to by the pre Brexit special conditions
Monetary opt out (euro, the ECB and the eurozone) Denmark does, Sweden in de facto does as their krona is tied to the ERM
Defence opt out ( common defence policy and the European army concept) Denmark did but decided to opt in after a referendum
And the free movement opt out (Schengen area) again .. Denmark does, Ireland does, Poland does for certain parts
Giving those back to the uk would not be a big concession as others hold them, or did!
The biggest stumbling block would be the “rebate” as that was a uk specific legacy agreement (don’t give thatcher credit for much but she played a blinder there)
The electorate might want something more concrete than just someone eluding to certain conditions maybe offered. Also what happened to the 'they wouldn't want us back anyway ' train of thought that was once popular "
The EU would need to confirm any opt outs or concessions before offering the UK, as certain countries in the EU would have to put it to people in their countries via referendum
And to be honest I dont see why they would want us back! Not really been the most reliable of partners … and it would only take 1 of the 27 countries to say no and it doesn’t go forward! (For example, Remember Hungary has been holding up Ukraine application for membership under Orban)
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"The UK economy has taken a 6% hit from the effects of Brexit, according to economists' analysis of internal Bank of England data about the decisions, views and financial results of thousands of British companies since the referendum a decade ago (Full article bbc)
Separately polling suggests that 55% of Britons support the UK rejoining the EU.
Is it a coincidence that today the guardian reports, the UK could keep special pre-Brexit terms if it rejoined EU, said the EU’s Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier.
Is it likely a second referendum may be offered as a general election sweetener ?
But if the EU inforsed that ghe UK adopted the € how would still want to re join 🤔.
Surly in is in. Ans out is out out. £££
I think that is what the person alluded to by the pre Brexit special conditions
Monetary opt out (euro, the ECB and the eurozone) Denmark does, Sweden in de facto does as their krona is tied to the ERM
Defence opt out ( common defence policy and the European army concept) Denmark did but decided to opt in after a referendum
And the free movement opt out (Schengen area) again .. Denmark does, Ireland does, Poland does for certain parts
Giving those back to the uk would not be a big concession as others hold them, or did!
The biggest stumbling block would be the “rebate” as that was a uk specific legacy agreement (don’t give thatcher credit for much but she played a blinder there)
The electorate might want something more concrete than just someone eluding to certain conditions maybe offered. Also what happened to the 'they wouldn't want us back anyway ' train of thought that was once popular
The electorate got nothing concrete before the referendum. A poll based on lies and big personalities peddaling their own agenda. And a mess of a result
Which has been critised widely including here. Maybe best not to repeat the same thing
I can say it as much as i want. As much right to have an opinion as anyone else. It seems you have a problem with that"
No one, especially me has claimed you don't have as much right as anyone else to state your opinion. Where did you get that impression from and why do you think I have a problem with it? My post simply was about why repeat mistakes of the past, ie not having the facts. So when I said why repeat the same thing it was in reference to past mistakes not people posting their opinions |
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""The rebate….. I don’t think that would come back!"
Nope... there was, and there never will be again, only ONE Iron Lady.Thank god for that, she was a real bitch, Mrs x"
why? Because she doe what needed doing? She had bigger balls than the previous 3 or 4 primeministers before her |
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By *coptoCouple 4 days ago
Côte d'Azur & Great Yarmouth |
"Thank god for that, she was a real bitch, Mrs x"
Did you ever meet her? As a person (i.e. away from the diplomatic "show-business"), she was friendly, considerate and away from the cameras not afraid to smile. I was with her on one occasion when she had to cover her face to hide a fit of giggles... |
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"If you using thee BBC as your credible source I think you need to dig further. I'm not saying that brexit has been a failure nor success for the economy however I truly believe that the shit cunts running the country since the vote to leave have fucked it"
Cmon! You and I both know Brexit was a blag by mendacious con men and women. It was never respectable in its sale pitch, it as build on lies as it was OBVIOUSLY bad for the people but useful to corporations, and financial chancers. |
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By *andS66Couple 19 hours ago
Derby |
"The UK economy has taken a 6% hit from the effects of Brexit, according to economists' analysis of internal Bank of England data about the decisions, views and financial results of thousands of British companies since the referendum a decade ago (Full article bbc)
Separately polling suggests that 55% of Britons support the UK rejoining the EU.
Is it a coincidence that today the guardian reports, the UK could keep special pre-Brexit terms if it rejoined EU, said the EU’s Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier.
Is it likely a second referendum may be offered as a general election sweetener ?
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THE OFFICIAL DATA.
Official data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS).
Since the Brexit referendum, UK GDP has grown by 12.9%. We have outgrown the EU’s top three economies, rising more than twice as fast as Germany.
George Osborne promised us 820,000 job losses if we voted Leave. Instead, UK jobs are UP by 2.4 MILLION.
Claims our trade collapsed. The official data shows UK global exports are up 17.6% since 2016.
Business investment? Up nearly 17%.
The establishment's entire "Project Fear" was a complete and utter fraud, yet it is still being used to justify taking us back into the EU. |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Cool, thanks hats made up for the 6% loss caused by Brexit then?
As mentioned in the article itself, that 6% calculation methods are questioned by many economists "
Many? That means nothing. Is that 10 out of 100 economists polled or 90? Do they have a doctorate or an economics unit from an HND? It’s coverage from the BBC like this that got Brexit over the line. |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Cool, thanks hats made up for the 6% loss caused by Brexit then?
As mentioned in the article itself, that 6% calculation methods are questioned by many economists
Many? That means nothing. Is that 10 out of 100 economists polled or 90? Do they have a doctorate or an economics unit from an HND? It’s coverage from the BBC like this that got Brexit over the line."
What should we do then? Do a voting among people with an economics degree and choose the one which majority voted for?
Economists struggle to predict what happens in one country a few quarters ahead. How accurate are their predictions going to be in an alternate history spanning over years? Most of their doomsday predictions after the Brexit vote haven't materialised.
As things stand, the EU economy is on decline. And they don't seem to have any plans to improve it. The UK is better off leaving them. UK's growth has been better compared to the EU |
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I think that everyone who voted to leave and still believes that this is the correct decision will always believe any figures that suggest they are correct
The converse also applies
As long as everyone is happy then, who cares!
It is a done deal. |
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"Last time I checked we are still trading with all the EU countries just on slightly different terms. We can now make our own agreements with non EU countries which is a significant benefit.
Is it, how? Do we now get better terms with other countries now we aren’t in the EU?
So far, lower tariffs on exports to the US and joining CPTPP.
Cool, thanks hats made up for the 6% loss caused by Brexit then?
As mentioned in the article itself, that 6% calculation methods are questioned by many economists
Many? That means nothing. Is that 10 out of 100 economists polled or 90? Do they have a doctorate or an economics unit from an HND? It’s coverage from the BBC like this that got Brexit over the line.
What should we do then? Do a voting among people with an economics degree and choose the one which majority voted for?
Economists struggle to predict what happens in one country a few quarters ahead. How accurate are their predictions going to be in an alternate history spanning over years? Most of their doomsday predictions after the Brexit vote haven't materialised.
As things stand, the EU economy is on decline. And they don't seem to have any plans to improve it. The UK is better off leaving them. UK's growth has been better compared to the EU"
I’m commenting on this:
“ As mentioned in the article itself, that 6% calculation methods are questioned by many economists” not the referendum but poor information which easily misleads. |
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Mario Draghi report concluded that although EU growth is increasing, it 'risks' going into decline at some unspecified date in the future...... so again, with facts being that EU has increasing growth and countries queuing up to join, that can hardly be called 'decline' in language. |
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"Mario Draghi report concluded that although EU growth is increasing, it 'risks' going into decline at some unspecified date in the future...... so again, with facts being that EU has increasing growth and countries queuing up to join, that can hardly be called 'decline' in language. "
No. He said the opposite - "Growth has been slowing down for a long time in Europe, but we've ignored (it)... Now we cannot ignore it any longer. Now conditions have changed"
I am pretty sure I explained this to you in a different thread with sources. Not sure why you still go around deliberately spreading fake news. |
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"Mario Draghi report concluded that although EU growth is increasing, it 'risks' going into decline at some unspecified date in the future...... so again, with facts being that EU has increasing growth and countries queuing up to join, that can hardly be called 'decline' in language.
No. He said the opposite - "Growth has been slowing down for a long time in Europe, but we've ignored (it)... Now we cannot ignore it any longer. Now conditions have changed"
I am pretty sure I explained this to you in a different thread with sources. Not sure why you still go around deliberately spreading fake news."
growth is exactly that, growth, which is an increase or to use a strong synonym an ascent .... positive growth by it's very definition cannot be described as decline. |
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"Mario Draghi report concluded that although EU growth is increasing, it 'risks' going into decline at some unspecified date in the future...... so again, with facts being that EU has increasing growth and countries queuing up to join, that can hardly be called 'decline' in language.
No. He said the opposite - "Growth has been slowing down for a long time in Europe, but we've ignored (it)... Now we cannot ignore it any longer. Now conditions have changed"
I am pretty sure I explained this to you in a different thread with sources. Not sure why you still go around deliberately spreading fake news.
growth is exactly that, growth, which is an increase or to use a strong synonym an ascent .... positive growth by it's very definition cannot be described as decline."
You said growth is increasing. It implies annual growth rate is increasing, which is false. You should have said GDP is increasing instead of saying growth is increasing. They are 2 different things. Really, EU's growth has slowed down over the last decade while the US and Chinese economies have been growing much faster in comparison. |
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"Mario Draghi report concluded that although EU growth is increasing, it 'risks' going into decline at some unspecified date in the future...... so again, with facts being that EU has increasing growth and countries queuing up to join, that can hardly be called 'decline' in language.
No. He said the opposite - "Growth has been slowing down for a long time in Europe, but we've ignored (it)... Now we cannot ignore it any longer. Now conditions have changed"
I am pretty sure I explained this to you in a different thread with sources. Not sure why you still go around deliberately spreading fake news.
growth is exactly that, growth, which is an increase or to use a strong synonym an ascent .... positive growth by it's very definition cannot be described as decline.
You said growth is increasing. It implies annual growth rate is increasing, which is false. You should have said GDP is increasing instead of saying growth is increasing. They are 2 different things. Really, EU's growth has slowed down over the last decade while the US and Chinese economies have been growing much faster in comparison."
growth by it's very definition is an increase. the facts are that the EU is experiencing growth, which along with the fact that countries are queuing up to join can hardly be described as 'decline' in any language. |
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"Mario Draghi report concluded that although EU growth is increasing, it 'risks' going into decline at some unspecified date in the future...... so again, with facts being that EU has increasing growth and countries queuing up to join, that can hardly be called 'decline' in language.
No. He said the opposite - "Growth has been slowing down for a long time in Europe, but we've ignored (it)... Now we cannot ignore it any longer. Now conditions have changed"
I am pretty sure I explained this to you in a different thread with sources. Not sure why you still go around deliberately spreading fake news.
growth is exactly that, growth, which is an increase or to use a strong synonym an ascent .... positive growth by it's very definition cannot be described as decline.
You said growth is increasing. It implies annual growth rate is increasing, which is false. You should have said GDP is increasing instead of saying growth is increasing. They are 2 different things. Really, EU's growth has slowed down over the last decade while the US and Chinese economies have been growing much faster in comparison.
growth by it's very definition is an increase.
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Yes. But when you say growth is increasing, it means productivity is accelerating, which is a lie. You should say, productivity is increasing, not that growth is increasing.
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the facts are that the EU is experiencing growth, which along with the fact that countries are queuing up to join can hardly be described as 'decline' in any language."
The facts are that the EU is experiencing slowing down of growth and the rest of the world is growing much faster than the EU. At this rate, the EU's growth rate will reach zero and start declining at some point. No matter how much propaganda you spread around here, those are the facts. The EU is on its way towards irrelevance. |
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"Mario Draghi report concluded that although EU growth is increasing, it 'risks' going into decline at some unspecified date in the future...... so again, with facts being that EU has increasing growth and countries queuing up to join, that can hardly be called 'decline' in language.
No. He said the opposite - "Growth has been slowing down for a long time in Europe, but we've ignored (it)... Now we cannot ignore it any longer. Now conditions have changed"
I am pretty sure I explained this to you in a different thread with sources. Not sure why you still go around deliberately spreading fake news.
growth is exactly that, growth, which is an increase or to use a strong synonym an ascent .... positive growth by it's very definition cannot be described as decline.
You said growth is increasing. It implies annual growth rate is increasing, which is false. You should have said GDP is increasing instead of saying growth is increasing. They are 2 different things. Really, EU's growth has slowed down over the last decade while the US and Chinese economies have been growing much faster in comparison.
growth by it's very definition is an increase.
Yes. But when you say growth is increasing, it means productivity is accelerating, which is a lie. You should say, productivity is increasing, not that growth is increasing.
the facts are that the EU is experiencing growth, which along with the fact that countries are queuing up to join can hardly be described as 'decline' in any language.
The facts are that the EU is experiencing slowing down of growth and the rest of the world is growing much faster than the EU. At this rate, the EU's growth rate will reach zero and start declining at some point. No matter how much propaganda you spread around here, those are the facts. The EU is on its way towards irrelevance."
no matter how you want it to be otherwise, the fact remains that the EU is experiencing growth and countries are queuing up to join. these proven facts can not be described as 'decline' in any language. |
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"Mario Draghi report concluded that although EU growth is increasing, it 'risks' going into decline at some unspecified date in the future...... so again, with facts being that EU has increasing growth and countries queuing up to join, that can hardly be called 'decline' in language.
No. He said the opposite - "Growth has been slowing down for a long time in Europe, but we've ignored (it)... Now we cannot ignore it any longer. Now conditions have changed"
I am pretty sure I explained this to you in a different thread with sources. Not sure why you still go around deliberately spreading fake news.
growth is exactly that, growth, which is an increase or to use a strong synonym an ascent .... positive growth by it's very definition cannot be described as decline.
You said growth is increasing. It implies annual growth rate is increasing, which is false. You should have said GDP is increasing instead of saying growth is increasing. They are 2 different things. Really, EU's growth has slowed down over the last decade while the US and Chinese economies have been growing much faster in comparison.
growth by it's very definition is an increase.
Yes. But when you say growth is increasing, it means productivity is accelerating, which is a lie. You should say, productivity is increasing, not that growth is increasing.
the facts are that the EU is experiencing growth, which along with the fact that countries are queuing up to join can hardly be described as 'decline' in any language.
The facts are that the EU is experiencing slowing down of growth and the rest of the world is growing much faster than the EU. At this rate, the EU's growth rate will reach zero and start declining at some point. No matter how much propaganda you spread around here, those are the facts. The EU is on its way towards irrelevance.
no matter how you want it to be otherwise, the fact remains that the EU is experiencing growth and countries are queuing up to join. these proven facts can not be described as 'decline' in any language."
It's a fact that EU's growth is declining  Their growth rates are much lower now compared to the rest of the world. While the rest of the world is growing faster, EU's growth has declined. It's a dying economic zone. The EU bureaucrats have destroyed it from within. |
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It's a fact that EU's growth is declining Their growth rates are much lower now compared to the rest of the world. While the rest of the world is growing faster, EU's growth has declined. It's a dying economic zone. The EU bureaucrats have destroyed it from within."
the proven facts are that europe is experiencing growth and another proven fact is that the eu is expanding with countries queuing up to join, which is the polar opposite to 'decline' in any language |
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It's a fact that EU's growth is declining Their growth rates are much lower now compared to the rest of the world. While the rest of the world is growing faster, EU's growth has declined. It's a dying economic zone. The EU bureaucrats have destroyed it from within.
the proven facts are that europe is experiencing growth and another proven fact is that the eu is expanding with countries queuing up to join, which is the polar opposite to 'decline' in any language"
If the growth rates are declining, it is declining. It won't be long before the productivity itself declines. Maybe brush up on your maths skills to learn how decelerating growth will end up in the long term?
As you have entered the propaganda bot mode anyway, here is the average annual growth rate of major economies over the last decade:
EU - 1-1.6%
Mercosur - 0.5 to 1.5%
US - 2.1 - 2.8%
GCC - 2.5 - 3.5%
AfCFTA - 2.5 - 3.5%
ASEAN - 4 - 5%
China - 4.5 - 5.2%
India - 6 - 6.5%
No one will give a fuck about the EU in a few years. |
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"EU - 1-1.6%
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thanks for the figure that underpins the fact that the EU is experiencing growth. there are one or 2 other absolute facts which are that since brexit no countries have chosen to leave the EU and the other is that countries are queuing up to join, thus expanding the EU. this can in no way be described as 'decline'. |
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"EU - 1-1.6%
thanks for the figure that underpins the fact that the EU is experiencing growth. there are one or 2 other absolute facts which are that since brexit no countries have chosen to leave the EU and the other is that countries are queuing up to join, thus expanding the EU. this can in no way be described as 'decline'."
It's interesting how you conveniently removed every line that shows how bad the EU economy is. That's how brainwashing works I guess 🤷♂️
Growth rates are declining. Anyone with high school maths skills will understand the meaning of the statement and what it means for the future of the EU. |
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"EU - 1-1.6%
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the facts remain, the EU is experiencing growth and despite predictions after the uk referendum 10 years ago, no country has chosen to leave the EU, in fact countries are actually queuing up to join instead. in no way whatsoever can this be described as 'decline'. |
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"EU - 1-1.6%
the facts remain, the EU is experiencing growth and despite predictions after the uk referendum 10 years ago, no country has chosen to leave the EU, in fact countries are actually queuing up to join instead. in no way whatsoever can this be described as 'decline'."
Thanks for this conversation. I got what I wanted out of this. I managed to say everything about the state of EU that anyone with basic maths skills will understand.
And with your repeated copy paste messages, you showed the world that it's the remainers who are brainwashed
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"EU - 1-1.6%
the facts remain, the EU is experiencing growth and despite predictions after the uk referendum 10 years ago, no country has chosen to leave the EU, in fact countries are actually queuing up to join instead. in no way whatsoever can this be described as 'decline'.
Thanks for this conversation. I got what I wanted out of this. I managed to say everything about the state of EU that anyone with basic maths skills will understand.
And with your repeated copy paste messages, you showed the world that it's the remainers who are brainwashed
Have a good weekend 😘"
what has happened here is that the fact that the EU is experiencing growth, is expanding and is attracting more members (despite ten years of arguments to the contrary) have been proven, which shows that the EU is experiencing the polar opposite of being in 'decline'. |
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"... the EU is experiencing growth, is expanding and is attracting more members ..."
The applicants it has attracted since Brexit are Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, and Kosovo. What changes do you think will happen to the EU economy once these 4 are accepted? |
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" What changes do you think will happen to the EU economy once these 4 are accepted?"
i have no predictions. for the last 10 years a particular group of fringe lunatics have allowed their cognitive dissonance to misforcast the EU's future by portending the collapse of the EU as imminent and pushing unsubstantiated nonsense about decline, which turned out to be utterly wrong. Yet in reality the opposite has been true as demonstrated by the facts that the EU has experienced continued growth, no country has chosen to leave and countries are queuing up to join |
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"... the EU is experiencing growth, is expanding and is attracting more members ...
The applicants it has attracted since Brexit are Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, and Kosovo. What changes do you think will happen to the EU economy once these 4 are accepted?"
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It's a fact that EU's growth is declining Their growth rates are much lower now compared to the rest of the world. While the rest of the world is growing faster, EU's growth has declined. It's a dying economic zone. The EU bureaucrats have destroyed it from within.
the proven facts are that europe is experiencing growth and another proven fact is that the eu is expanding with countries queuing up to join, which is the polar opposite to 'decline' in any language
If the growth rates are declining, it is declining. It won't be long before the productivity itself declines. Maybe brush up on your maths skills to learn how decelerating growth will end up in the long term?
As you have entered the propaganda bot mode anyway, here is the average annual growth rate of major economies over the last decade:
EU - 1-1.6%
Mercosur - 0.5 to 1.5%
US - 2.1 - 2.8%
GCC - 2.5 - 3.5%
AfCFTA - 2.5 - 3.5%
ASEAN - 4 - 5%
China - 4.5 - 5.2%
India - 6 - 6.5%
No one will give a fuck about the EU in a few years. "
With those figures and some light reading would it be fair to say the EU is growing compared to its own past performance but is not growing as fast as other countries/ areas leading to it's share of world trade declining? |
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There is an interesting interview of Nobel Laureate PHILIPPE AGHION. The interview is titled "Why Is Europe’s Economy Falling Short?" for the ones who are interested. This part summarises the state of EU and why its growth declined:
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Between 1945 and the late 1980s, per capita GDP in today’s eurozone was catching up with that of the US. Much of that growth came from rebuilding Europe’s capital stock, which had been devastated during World War II, and from catching up with the Second Industrial Revolution that transformed the US in the early 20th century.
But Europe has failed to make the transition from catch-up growth to frontier innovation. In particular, it has failed to harness the IT revolution because it lacks institutions that support frontier innovators. Instead, it remains stuck in mid-tech, incremental innovation, while the US and now China have moved into breakthrough, high-tech innovation. That, fundamentally, is Europe’s problem."
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It's a fact that EU's growth is declining Their growth rates are much lower now compared to the rest of the world. While the rest of the world is growing faster, EU's growth has declined. It's a dying economic zone. The EU bureaucrats have destroyed it from within.
the proven facts are that europe is experiencing growth and another proven fact is that the eu is expanding with countries queuing up to join, which is the polar opposite to 'decline' in any language
If the growth rates are declining, it is declining. It won't be long before the productivity itself declines. Maybe brush up on your maths skills to learn how decelerating growth will end up in the long term?
As you have entered the propaganda bot mode anyway, here is the average annual growth rate of major economies over the last decade:
EU - 1-1.6%
Mercosur - 0.5 to 1.5%
US - 2.1 - 2.8%
GCC - 2.5 - 3.5%
AfCFTA - 2.5 - 3.5%
ASEAN - 4 - 5%
China - 4.5 - 5.2%
India - 6 - 6.5%
No one will give a fuck about the EU in a few years.
With those figures and some light reading would it be fair to say the EU is growing compared to its own past performance but is not growing as fast as other countries/ areas leading to it's share of world trade declining?"
Yes, but its growth rates have declined compared to its past. It's obviously hard to sustain 5% growth rates over a longer period of time. But EU's growth rate decline is faster compared to the US for example. And there seems to be no effort from the EU to address this. |
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It's a fact that EU's growth is declining Their growth rates are much lower now compared to the rest of the world. While the rest of the world is growing faster, EU's growth has declined. It's a dying economic zone. The EU bureaucrats have destroyed it from within.
the proven facts are that europe is experiencing growth and another proven fact is that the eu is expanding with countries queuing up to join, which is the polar opposite to 'decline' in any language
If the growth rates are declining, it is declining. It won't be long before the productivity itself declines. Maybe brush up on your maths skills to learn how decelerating growth will end up in the long term?
As you have entered the propaganda bot mode anyway, here is the average annual growth rate of major economies over the last decade:
EU - 1-1.6%
Mercosur - 0.5 to 1.5%
US - 2.1 - 2.8%
GCC - 2.5 - 3.5%
AfCFTA - 2.5 - 3.5%
ASEAN - 4 - 5%
China - 4.5 - 5.2%
India - 6 - 6.5%
No one will give a fuck about the EU in a few years.
With those figures and some light reading would it be fair to say the EU is growing compared to its own past performance but is not growing as fast as other countries/ areas leading to it's share of world trade declining?
Yes, but its growth rates have declined compared to its past. It's obviously hard to sustain 5% growth rates over a longer period of time. But EU's growth rate decline is faster compared to the US for example. And there seems to be no effort from the EU to address this."
That is true, and as the EU growth shrinks, other places are accelerating which makes it appear worse. What was a bit of a surprise that despite them having tarriffs on non EU goods they have a deficit to china amounting to 1 billion euros per day according to the guardian |
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Should we be more concerned with the prospects for starting and building up businesses in the UK. A South African businesswoman said this week the uk was un investable.
Car manufacturing has halved in a decade, manufacturing significantly down and number of farms reduced, along with domestic tourism and hospitality, and reportedly more businesses closing than opening.
What can be done for revival ? |
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"Should we be more concerned with the prospects for starting and building up businesses in the UK. A South African businesswoman said this week the uk was un investable.
Car manufacturing has halved in a decade, manufacturing significantly down and number of farms reduced, along with domestic tourism and hospitality, and reportedly more businesses closing than opening.
What can be done for revival ?"
Nothing will be done for revival. Austerity and brexit have been part of the same the long term plan to churn ownership of British assets to a few super-national corporations. I’m talking about our housing stock, farmland, health service and potable water supply. About 20 years ago the head of the federal bank made his leaving statement. “It would be beneficial to the corporations of the world if the populations of the world were more insecure”. |
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