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over a year ago
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It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year! |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!"
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
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"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
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so importers who bought goods from the UK paid over the odds in March then and our exporters are quids in |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
Babbacombe Torquay |
"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
so importers who bought goods from the UK paid over the odds in March then and our exporters are quids in"
Only until Exporters place their next round of orders for raw materials, car manufacturers for instance buy imported material up to a year ahead, so any benefits they are feeling on October 27th this year will be wiped out by October 27th 2017 if the pound remains this low. |
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"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
so importers who bought goods from the UK paid over the odds in March then and our exporters are quids in
Only until Exporters place their next round of orders for raw materials, car manufacturers for instance buy imported material up to a year ahead, so any benefits they are feeling on October 27th this year will be wiped out by October 27th 2017 if the pound remains this low."
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
Babbacombe Torquay |
"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
so importers who bought goods from the UK paid over the odds in March then and our exporters are quids in
Only until Exporters place their next round of orders for raw materials, car manufacturers for instance buy imported material up to a year ahead, so any benefits they are feeling on October 27th this year will be wiped out by October 27th 2017 if the pound remains this low.
if"
From your previous posts guarding the Pound I was under the impression that you thought it a great thing that our currency had dipped so much? |
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"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
so importers who bought goods from the UK paid over the odds in March then and our exporters are quids in
Only until Exporters place their next round of orders for raw materials, car manufacturers for instance buy imported material up to a year ahead, so any benefits they are feeling on October 27th this year will be wiped out by October 27th 2017 if the pound remains this low.
if
From your previous posts guarding the Pound I was under the impression that you thought it a great thing that our currency had dipped so much?"
it is and I hope it stays this low but there is little chance. And if they pay more but sell more so what? Quid pro quo |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
Babbacombe Torquay |
"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
so importers who bought goods from the UK paid over the odds in March then and our exporters are quids in
Only until Exporters place their next round of orders for raw materials, car manufacturers for instance buy imported material up to a year ahead, so any benefits they are feeling on October 27th this year will be wiped out by October 27th 2017 if the pound remains this low.
if
From your previous posts guarding the Pound I was under the impression that you thought it a great thing that our currency had dipped so much?
it is and I hope it stays this low but there is little chance. And if they pay more but sell more so what? Quid pro quo"
The UK has been a net Importing economy since the late 70's....that means everything we import and trade in US$ will rise in price by up to 20% as the pounds stands today, that includes oil and gas by the way....yet you hope the pounds remains low?
Wow, you really haven't considered the consequences have you?
Do you think that exporters will turn to their workers next April and offer them a major wage rise because their exports have risen?....as if. |
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"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
so importers who bought goods from the UK paid over the odds in March then and our exporters are quids in
Only until Exporters place their next round of orders for raw materials, car manufacturers for instance buy imported material up to a year ahead, so any benefits they are feeling on October 27th this year will be wiped out by October 27th 2017 if the pound remains this low.
if
From your previous posts guarding the Pound I was under the impression that you thought it a great thing that our currency had dipped so much?
it is and I hope it stays this low but there is little chance. And if they pay more but sell more so what? Quid pro quo
The UK has been a net Importing economy since the late 70's....that means everything we import and trade in US$ will rise in price by up to 20% as the pounds stands today, that includes oil and gas by the way....yet you hope the pounds remains low?
Wow, you really haven't considered the consequences have you?
Do you think that exporters will turn to their workers next April and offer them a major wage rise because their exports have risen?....as if."
The value of the pound has actually risen today after the news from Nissan and the 3rd quarter growth figure of 0.5% released by the Treasury and the ONS. |
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"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!"
I think George Osborne's referendum scaremongering and David Cameron's project fear are being exposed now for what they really were....nothing more than a pack of lies. The DIY recession David Cameron said we would go into if we voted Leave never happened, quite the opposite now with a 0.5% growth figure for the 3rd quarter. Likewise Osborne's claims about emergency budgets and an instant economic shock were unfounded, no emergency budget and no economic shock as the economy seems to be carrying on regardless of the referendum result.
Theresa May said today that the decision by Nissan is a huge vote of confidence in the UK and the new chancellor Philip Hammond said the UK economy is robust and continues to look strong. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
Babbacombe Torquay |
"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
so importers who bought goods from the UK paid over the odds in March then and our exporters are quids in
Only until Exporters place their next round of orders for raw materials, car manufacturers for instance buy imported material up to a year ahead, so any benefits they are feeling on October 27th this year will be wiped out by October 27th 2017 if the pound remains this low.
if
From your previous posts guarding the Pound I was under the impression that you thought it a great thing that our currency had dipped so much?
it is and I hope it stays this low but there is little chance. And if they pay more but sell more so what? Quid pro quo
The UK has been a net Importing economy since the late 70's....that means everything we import and trade in US$ will rise in price by up to 20% as the pounds stands today, that includes oil and gas by the way....yet you hope the pounds remains low?
Wow, you really haven't considered the consequences have you?
Do you think that exporters will turn to their workers next April and offer them a major wage rise because their exports have risen?....as if.
The value of the pound has actually risen today after the news from Nissan and the 3rd quarter growth figure of 0.5% released by the Treasury and the ONS. "
No, the Pound is slightly lower at 1.2172 |
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"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
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"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
so importers who bought goods from the UK paid over the odds in March then and our exporters are quids in
Only until Exporters place their next round of orders for raw materials, car manufacturers for instance buy imported material up to a year ahead, so any benefits they are feeling on October 27th this year will be wiped out by October 27th 2017 if the pound remains this low.
if
From your previous posts guarding the Pound I was under the impression that you thought it a great thing that our currency had dipped so much?
it is and I hope it stays this low but there is little chance. And if they pay more but sell more so what? Quid pro quo
The UK has been a net Importing economy since the late 70's....that means everything we import and trade in US$ will rise in price by up to 20% as the pounds stands today, that includes oil and gas by the way....yet you hope the pounds remains low?
Wow, you really haven't considered the consequences have you?
Do you think that exporters will turn to their workers next April and offer them a major wage rise because their exports have risen?....as if.
The value of the pound has actually risen today after the news from Nissan and the 3rd quarter growth figure of 0.5% released by the Treasury and the ONS.
No, the Pound is slightly lower at 1.2172"
Reports on BBC radio 2 earlier today said that the value of the pound had gone up slightly as a reaction to the news from Nissan and the growth figures released by the Treasury. |
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"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
so importers who bought goods from the UK paid over the odds in March then and our exporters are quids in
Only until Exporters place their next round of orders for raw materials, car manufacturers for instance buy imported material up to a year ahead, so any benefits they are feeling on October 27th this year will be wiped out by October 27th 2017 if the pound remains this low.
if
From your previous posts guarding the Pound I was under the impression that you thought it a great thing that our currency had dipped so much?
it is and I hope it stays this low but there is little chance. And if they pay more but sell more so what? Quid pro quo
The UK has been a net Importing economy since the late 70's....that means everything we import and trade in US$ will rise in price by up to 20% as the pounds stands today, that includes oil and gas by the way....yet you hope the pounds remains low?
Wow, you really haven't considered the consequences have you?
Do you think that exporters will turn to their workers next April and offer them a major wage rise because their exports have risen?....as if."
yes have you? To use an EU example, Germany is the worlds 3rd biggest importer, so why did they want to devalue their currency, which is what they did when they ditched the Mark and adopted the Euro? |
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If we had left the EU then there would be a reason for the exiteers to gloat, if we had triggered article 50 there would be a reason for the pro exit lobby to claim that this is a vote of confidence in Brexit.
However considering that nearly half a year after a vote to leave there is no visible evidence of any movement towards the exit door Nisan's announcement can be seen as no more than a vote of confidence in the status quo. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!"
I knew someone would bring up these two things..... so i'll deal with them seperately.. tied with two words....
Sloooow down.....
a)... the GDP figures.... look at how we get to the 0.5 % increase....
1) Services: The only sector to grow, by a punchy 0.8%. All four sub-sectors expanded (that’s distribution, hotels and restaurants; transport, storage and communication; business services and finance; and government and other services).
Growth was particularly strong in the “motion picture, video and TV programme production, sound recording and music publishing activities, and computer programming industries”, apparent.y
2) Industrial production: It suffered a 0.4% contraction. That’s mainly because manufacturing output shrank by a whole 1%. Energy supply fell by 3.6%, water and waste management dropped by 0.2%, while mining and quarrying increased by 5.2%
3) Construction: Output fell by 1.4%, which is the biggest decline since 2012. That’s partly because construction of new housing fell, for the first time in a year.
basically what this now highlights is that we are very much a service ecomony.......
2.... Nissan
a) it made sense to keep sunderland open... as 55% of the cars produced there are sold in the UK market....
b) it made sense for them to build the X-trail here as more are sold here than the rest of the EU... and they already make the X-trail SUV here....
c) read the language... this keeps all the current jobs here.... nothing about expansion which was the talk pre -brexit....
d) what exactly did nissan get out of the govt to keep jobs here? will they now have to do the same for other car maunfacturers? for all exporters?
no one is telling........if taxpayers end up footing the bill how will that play out? |
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"If we had left the EU then there would be a reason for the exiteers to gloat, if we had triggered article 50 there would be a reason for the pro exit lobby to claim that this is a vote of confidence in Brexit.
However considering that nearly half a year after a vote to leave there is no visible evidence of any movement towards the exit door Nisan's announcement can be seen as no more than a vote of confidence in the status quo."
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
Babbacombe Torquay |
"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
I knew someone would bring up these two things..... so i'll deal with them seperately.. tied with two words....
Sloooow down.....
a)... the GDP figures.... look at how we get to the 0.5 % increase....
1) Services: The only sector to grow, by a punchy 0.8%. All four sub-sectors expanded (that’s distribution, hotels and restaurants; transport, storage and communication; business services and finance; and government and other services).
Growth was particularly strong in the “motion picture, video and TV programme production, sound recording and music publishing activities, and computer programming industries”, apparent.y
2) Industrial production: It suffered a 0.4% contraction. That’s mainly because manufacturing output shrank by a whole 1%. Energy supply fell by 3.6%, water and waste management dropped by 0.2%, while mining and quarrying increased by 5.2%
3) Construction: Output fell by 1.4%, which is the biggest decline since 2012. That’s partly because construction of new housing fell, for the first time in a year.
basically what this now highlights is that we are very much a service ecomony.......
2.... Nissan
a) it made sense to keep sunderland open... as 55% of the cars produced there are sold in the UK market....
b) it made sense for them to build the X-trail here as more are sold here than the rest of the EU... and they already make the X-trail SUV here....
c) read the language... this keeps all the current jobs here.... nothing about expansion which was the talk pre -brexit....
d) what exactly did nissan get out of the govt to keep jobs here? will they now have to do the same for other car maunfacturers? for all exporters?
no one is telling........if taxpayers end up footing the bill how will that play out?"
Top post Fabio.....
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
so importers who bought goods from the UK paid over the odds in March then and our exporters are quids in
Only until Exporters place their next round of orders for raw materials, car manufacturers for instance buy imported material up to a year ahead, so any benefits they are feeling on October 27th this year will be wiped out by October 27th 2017 if the pound remains this low.
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From your previous posts guarding the Pound I was under the impression that you thought it a great thing that our currency had dipped so much?
it is and I hope it stays this low but there is little chance. And if they pay more but sell more so what? Quid pro quo
The UK has been a net Importing economy since the late 70's....that means everything we import and trade in US$ will rise in price by up to 20% as the pounds stands today, that includes oil and gas by the way....yet you hope the pounds remains low?
Wow, you really haven't considered the consequences have you?
Do you think that exporters will turn to their workers next April and offer them a major wage rise because their exports have risen?....as if.
yes have you? To use an EU example, Germany is the worlds 3rd biggest importer, so why did they want to devalue their currency, which is what they did when they ditched the Mark and adopted the Euro?"
Germany is a major importer in the main because it needs to purchase more petroleum products, more metals, and more raw materials than Britain....because it needs to feed its mighty industrial and manufacturing sector.
It also imports more luxury goods than Britain as the average disposable income in Germany is way above that of Britain. |
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"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
And us Bexiters get accused of wishful thinking. "
No one is saying they hope a full years figures will show a negative impact, only that we need a full years figures to really see what the impact is.
On both of todays pieces of good news I'm sure everyone, leaver or remainer, is glad to hear both. I am.
But, before we all throw our hats in the air let's just remember that Nissan is only doing what it would havre done if there was no BREXIT so it's only good news because it's not the bad news many feared. Also, and I'm trying to get clarification on this, the unexpectedly high growth rate is only higher than what was expected post BREXIT, it's not higher than what had been predicted if we'd voted to remain.
So yes, it's welcome and good news, and I hope we have lots more of it but one (or even two) swallow(s) don't make a summer. There still a very long way to go before we're out of the woods. |
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No, the Pound is slightly lower at 1.2172
Reports on BBC radio 2 earlier today said that the value of the pound had gone up slightly as a reaction to the news from Nissan and the growth figures released by the Treasury. "
Poster above you is correct. I watch the £GBP / $USD pairing like a hawk and today it finished $1.2192, 0.4 percent lower on the day. The day finished with a flurry of selling as if something spooked the market late on.
This has happened in the past when good headline news appeared but then an underlying story emerged a day or so later. Something is either afoot and we will find out tomorrow or there was just a bit of profit taking on the back of some good news that caused the spike. |
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"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
so importers who bought goods from the UK paid over the odds in March then and our exporters are quids in
Only until Exporters place their next round of orders for raw materials, car manufacturers for instance buy imported material up to a year ahead, so any benefits they are feeling on October 27th this year will be wiped out by October 27th 2017 if the pound remains this low.
if
From your previous posts guarding the Pound I was under the impression that you thought it a great thing that our currency had dipped so much?
it is and I hope it stays this low but there is little chance. And if they pay more but sell more so what? Quid pro quo
The UK has been a net Importing economy since the late 70's....that means everything we import and trade in US$ will rise in price by up to 20% as the pounds stands today, that includes oil and gas by the way....yet you hope the pounds remains low?
Wow, you really haven't considered the consequences have you?
Do you think that exporters will turn to their workers next April and offer them a major wage rise because their exports have risen?....as if.
yes have you? To use an EU example, Germany is the worlds 3rd biggest importer, so why did they want to devalue their currency, which is what they did when they ditched the Mark and adopted the Euro?
Germany is a major importer in the main because it needs to purchase more petroleum products, more metals, and more raw materials than Britain....because it needs to feed its mighty industrial and manufacturing sector.
It also imports more luxury goods than Britain as the average disposable income in Germany is way above that of Britain."
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The pseudoscience that is economics....
We haven't left the EU yet, and that's if we leave.
All I've heard for the last twenty years is how British manufacturing is struggling.Cant see how an exit won't be really shit for shit loads of people. Last coal mine shut up the ceiber in 1985, an economic shock that the valleys has yet to recover from.
London keeps the UK going so lets hope we don't fuck ourselves over to much because wales relies on English money big time
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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago
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No, the Pound is slightly lower at 1.2172
Reports on BBC radio 2 earlier today said that the value of the pound had gone up slightly as a reaction to the news from Nissan and the growth figures released by the Treasury.
Poster above you is correct. I watch the £GBP / $USD pairing like a hawk and today it finished $1.2192, 0.4 percent lower on the day. The day finished with a flurry of selling as if something spooked the market late on.
This has happened in the past when good headline news appeared but then an underlying story emerged a day or so later. Something is either afoot and we will find out tomorrow or there was just a bit of profit taking on the back of some good news that caused the spike."
However the daily fluctuations are not a key issue , what matters is performance over a twenty year period and the key underlying issues.
As it is recognised that the £ was over valued , I dont think we have too much to worry about. |
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The prophesies of doom (PODs) will continue to turn every positive into a negative, and it is people like them who try to deny wanting to see this country crumble...
The thing is that their recession hasn't happened, and there is no evidence that it will, only superfluous conjecture.
Instead of continually looking for things that might go wrong and attempting to bring everyone down, what we should all be doing is looking for positives. But the bitterness is not looking like it will ever go away.
Perhaps it is time to stop engaging them, leave them in their pathetic little bubble.
Let us take out independant nation forward, and leave the nay sayers to stew in their own stupidity. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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No, the Pound is slightly lower at 1.2172
Reports on BBC radio 2 earlier today said that the value of the pound had gone up slightly as a reaction to the news from Nissan and the growth figures released by the Treasury.
Poster above you is correct. I watch the £GBP / $USD pairing like a hawk and today it finished $1.2192, 0.4 percent lower on the day. The day finished with a flurry of selling as if something spooked the market late on.
This has happened in the past when good headline news appeared but then an underlying story emerged a day or so later. Something is either afoot and we will find out tomorrow or there was just a bit of profit taking on the back of some good news that caused the spike. However the daily fluctuations are not a key issue , what matters is performance over a twenty year period and the key underlying issues.
As it is recognised that the £ was over valued , I dont think we have too much to worry about. "
Who recognised that the £GBP was overvalued? Someone in your imagination or a real person with at least a bit more knowledge than changing their pounds to euros every time they go on holiday. |
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No, the Pound is slightly lower at 1.2172
Reports on BBC radio 2 earlier today said that the value of the pound had gone up slightly as a reaction to the news from Nissan and the growth figures released by the Treasury.
Poster above you is correct. I watch the £GBP / $USD pairing like a hawk and today it finished $1.2192, 0.4 percent lower on the day. The day finished with a flurry of selling as if something spooked the market late on.
This has happened in the past when good headline news appeared but then an underlying story emerged a day or so later. Something is either afoot and we will find out tomorrow or there was just a bit of profit taking on the back of some good news that caused the spike. However the daily fluctuations are not a key issue , what matters is performance over a twenty year period and the key underlying issues.
As it is recognised that the £ was over valued , I dont think we have too much to worry about.
Who recognised that the £GBP was overvalued? Someone in your imagination or a real person with at least a bit more knowledge than changing their pounds to euros every time they go on holiday."
.......Mervyn King, the ex governor of the Bank of England for one.
Just watching the This Week programme on BBC 1, Lord Digby Jones (ex director general of the CBI) also said he thought the pound was over valued before and the drop was a much needed correction. |
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"The prophesies of doom (PODs) will continue to turn every positive into a negative, and it is people like them who try to deny wanting to see this country crumble...
The thing is that their recession hasn't happened, and there is no evidence that it will, only superfluous conjecture.
Instead of continually looking for things that might go wrong and attempting to bring everyone down, what we should all be doing is looking for positives. But the bitterness is not looking like it will ever go away.
Perhaps it is time to stop engaging them, leave them in their pathetic little bubble.
Let us take out independant nation forward, and leave the nay sayers to stew in their own stupidity. "
I have to say for those Remainers who are saying they think the news from Nissan and the Treasury were good news today, they still don't half sound miserable. |
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"The prophesies of doom (PODs) will continue to turn every positive into a negative, and it is people like them who try to deny wanting to see this country crumble...
The thing is that their recession hasn't happened, and there is no evidence that it will, only superfluous conjecture.
Instead of continually looking for things that might go wrong and attempting to bring everyone down, what we should all be doing is looking for positives. But the bitterness is not looking like it will ever go away.
Perhaps it is time to stop engaging them, leave them in their pathetic little bubble.
Let us take out independant nation forward, and leave the nay sayers to stew in their own stupidity.
I have to say for those Remainers who are saying they think the news from Nissan and the Treasury were good news today, they still don't half sound miserable. "
That's because the doom predictions have not happened (yet) hopefully they wont but we will all have to wait and see.  |
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"The prophesies of doom (PODs) will continue to turn every positive into a negative, and it is people like them who try to deny wanting to see this country crumble...
The thing is that their recession hasn't happened, and there is no evidence that it will, only superfluous conjecture.
Instead of continually looking for things that might go wrong and attempting to bring everyone down, what we should all be doing is looking for positives. But the bitterness is not looking like it will ever go away.
Perhaps it is time to stop engaging them, leave them in their pathetic little bubble.
Let us take out independant nation forward, and leave the nay sayers to stew in their own stupidity.
I have to say for those Remainers who are saying they think the news from Nissan and the Treasury were good news today, they still don't half sound miserable. "
you confuse misery with looking at an issue in a pragmatic way..
since when did many who voted Brexit become so gullible to swallow what May and co have said..
after all she's not Boris or Nigel or even Gove..
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"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
I knew someone would bring up these two things..... so i'll deal with them seperately.. tied with two words....
Sloooow down.....
a)... the GDP figures.... look at how we get to the 0.5 % increase....
1) Services: The only sector to grow, by a punchy 0.8%. All four sub-sectors expanded (that’s distribution, hotels and restaurants; transport, storage and communication; business services and finance; and government and other services).
Growth was particularly strong in the “motion picture, video and TV programme production, sound recording and music publishing activities, and computer programming industries”, apparent.y
2) Industrial production: It suffered a 0.4% contraction. That’s mainly because manufacturing output shrank by a whole 1%. Energy supply fell by 3.6%, water and waste management dropped by 0.2%, while mining and quarrying increased by 5.2%
3) Construction: Output fell by 1.4%, which is the biggest decline since 2012. That’s partly because construction of new housing fell, for the first time in a year.
basically what this now highlights is that we are very much a service ecomony.......
2.... Nissan
a) it made sense to keep sunderland open... as 55% of the cars produced there are sold in the UK market....
b) it made sense for them to build the X-trail here as more are sold here than the rest of the EU... and they already make the X-trail SUV here....
c) read the language... this keeps all the current jobs here.... nothing about expansion which was the talk pre -brexit....
d) what exactly did nissan get out of the govt to keep jobs here? will they now have to do the same for other car maunfacturers? for all exporters?
no one is telling........if taxpayers end up footing the bill how will that play out?"
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I work in construction in a lot of different sectors and believe me there is no slow down
Houses being built by main stream builders and small independents is off the scale
Massive boost in new schools also masdive extentions on existing schools
Same for hospitals bew and extentions
There is also a massive increase in high end car showrooms being built
Also hotels / leisure and retail
I am not seeing a slow down and i look at these sectors every day
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I'm not sure about new houses and it has been a while since I worked in building. But on the evidence of the builders I see at work every day, and the amount of work going on in my area, I would say it's busy enough. |
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"The prophesies of doom (PODs) will continue to turn every positive into a negative, and it is people like them who try to deny wanting to see this country crumble...
The thing is that their recession hasn't happened, and there is no evidence that it will, only superfluous conjecture.
Instead of continually looking for things that might go wrong and attempting to bring everyone down, what we should all be doing is looking for positives. But the bitterness is not looking like it will ever go away.
Perhaps it is time to stop engaging them, leave them in their pathetic little bubble.
Let us take out independant nation forward, and leave the nay sayers to stew in their own stupidity. "
for someone so opposed to the new world order you claim is running things you don't half sound gullible in swallowing every piece of spin and sound bite that suits your slanted view ..
if people in raising valid concerns about how and what may the impacts ahead for all on this journey to your jingoistic nirvana of greatness only ever elicits the above 'shut them up they're whining' bollocks then perhaps google 'debate'?
The OED has a good definition..
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"I work in construction in a lot of different sectors and believe me there is no slow down
Houses being built by main stream builders and small independents is off the scale
Massive boost in new schools also masdive extentions on existing schools
Same for hospitals bew and extentions
There is also a massive increase in high end car showrooms being built
Also hotels / leisure and retail
I am not seeing a slow down and i look at these sectors every day
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the ONS figures and the drop in the share prices of all the major construction companies of late do indicate otherwise..
hope it will pick up but it is what it is now.. |
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"I work in construction in a lot of different sectors and believe me there is no slow down
Houses being built by main stream builders and small independents is off the scale
Massive boost in new schools also masdive extentions on existing schools
Same for hospitals bew and extentions
There is also a massive increase in high end car showrooms being built
Also hotels / leisure and retail
I am not seeing a slow down and i look at these sectors every day
the ONS figures and the drop in the share prices of all the major construction companies of late do indicate otherwise..
hope it will pick up but it is what it is now.."
Well I can only call it as I see it,I use a construction data company that supplies all construction updates, these include everything from planning application to sub contractors approved on site.
Usuallly on contracts starting at £100.000 upwards, the biggest contract price I can recall to date is about £145 mill, which if memory serves was 1245 new houses, retail and leisure and all approved.
Everyone I talk to in the construction industry from labourers to sparkies to contratcs managers/ project managers are saying how busy it is.
Also the amount of e mails I am getting from recruitment agencies looking for site managers in new housing is off the scale.
No sign at the moment of a downturn but trends do change so I will be keepig a beady eye on things. |
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"Germany is a major importer in the main because it needs to purchase more petroleum products, more metals, and more raw materials than Britain....because it needs to feed its mighty industrial and manufacturing sector.
It also imports more luxury goods than Britain as the average disposable income in Germany is way above that of Britain."
Germany is a net industrial exporter, with a net export surplus of 5.5% of GDP. In fact of the industrialised nations the UK runs the largest deficit at 8.8% of GDP. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"Germany is a major importer in the main because it needs to purchase more petroleum products, more metals, and more raw materials than Britain....because it needs to feed its mighty industrial and manufacturing sector.
It also imports more luxury goods than Britain as the average disposable income in Germany is way above that of Britain.
Germany is a net industrial exporter, with a net export surplus of 5.5% of GDP. In fact of the industrialised nations the UK runs the largest deficit at 8.8% of GDP."
Yes I'm very aware of that, I was attempting to point out that much of Germany's imports are materials to power its industrial might....which in turn results in far better exports sales than the UK.
But it's been that way for decades, they have always since the end of the First World War been an industrial giant. |
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I wonder what the Government promised to do for Nissan, will be interesting if that comes out. Possibly a large reduction in Corporation tax is up-coming. |
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No, the Pound is slightly lower at 1.2172
Reports on BBC radio 2 earlier today said that the value of the pound had gone up slightly as a reaction to the news from Nissan and the growth figures released by the Treasury.
Poster above you is correct. I watch the £GBP / $USD pairing like a hawk and today it finished $1.2192, 0.4 percent lower on the day. The day finished with a flurry of selling as if something spooked the market late on.
This has happened in the past when good headline news appeared but then an underlying story emerged a day or so later. Something is either afoot and we will find out tomorrow or there was just a bit of profit taking on the back of some good news that caused the spike. However the daily fluctuations are not a key issue , what matters is performance over a twenty year period and the key underlying issues.
As it is recognised that the £ was over valued , I dont think we have too much to worry about.
Who recognised that the £GBP was overvalued? Someone in your imagination or a real person with at least a bit more knowledge than changing their pounds to euros every time they go on holiday.
.......Mervyn King, the ex governor of the Bank of England for one.
Just watching the This Week programme on BBC 1, Lord Digby Jones (ex director general of the CBI) also said he thought the pound was over valued before and the drop was a much needed correction. "
Add to that John Mills, the millionaire businessman and major donor to the Labour party (he was on BBC radio 2 jemmy vine show today talking about it). |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"If Brexit was so good for our manufacturing industry, why did the government have to give any assurances?"
Parliament is going to force the truth out about the assurances, if any, that the government gave Nissan, or is intending to give the City.
The Nissan UK chief went from looking very concerned about Brexit just Ten days ago to looking very smug this morning. |
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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago
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So soft brexit will be the aim but if we don't retain access to the customs union all the tariffs will be funnelled back to Nissan?
Will that be with or without a deduction for the massive extra admin costs we are going to have, I wonder?
This is going to chip away at that £350 million. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"So soft brexit will be the aim but if we don't retain access to the customs union all the tariffs will be funnelled back to Nissan?
Will that be with or without a deduction for the massive extra admin costs we are going to have, I wonder?
This is going to chip away at that £350 million."
There should not be any chance at all that any credible Minister of a credible Government can have given Nissan the old nod and a wink. It would open the door to a minefield of similar bespoke arrangements for other special interest businesses and groups.
The problem I have with this Government is that I do think that they are capable of doing something stupid like this quite simply on account of the way that they are dealing with Brexit process period. The only people 'in the know' are in the inner circle of the secret squirrels Brexit group. I just don't believe that it can go on like this, the country and indeed the world doesn't have the patience to deal with a government that appear to be winging it and just making it up as they go along. |
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Does anybody seriously believe that the government needed to do anything for Nissan, they would never have left anyway. They obviously gave them assurances of the benefits of Brexit and thats about it |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
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So importers purchase way ahead, so why are importers all saying 'our costs have increased because of the fall in the pound, our costs of importing have gone up by 10-20% since brexit, so we are losing money, and have to put prices up by 10%... etc,etc,etc...?
Profiteering, perhaps?
and when the pound went up 18 months ago, prices didn't go down...
More profiteering, perhaps?
Blaming Brexit is a convenience for unscrupulous companies to put prices up and make people redundant... |
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"Does anybody seriously believe that the government needed to do anything for Nissan, they would never have left anyway. They obviously gave them assurances of the benefits of Brexit and thats about it"
Have to say I'm inclined to agree. I think the government will have given Nissan assurances on infrastructure improvements around the Nissan factory in Sunderland but that is about it. Michael Portillo pointed out on the This week programme on BBC 1 last night that if tariffs go up then Nissan will be quids in as over 50% of Nissan cars made in Sunderland are exported. John Mills the millionaire businessman and Labour party donor was on the Jeremy vine show on BBC radio 2 today and he said that the new lower value of the pound will help exports and companies like Nissan will benefit with their exports because of the devaluation of the pound making their products more competitive in the global market. Nissan's exports are going to rise and make the company even more profitable than it was before. |
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over a year ago
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"Does anybody seriously believe that the government needed to do anything for Nissan, they would never have left anyway. They obviously gave them assurances of the benefits of Brexit and thats about it
Have to say I'm inclined to agree. I think the government will have given Nissan assurances on infrastructure improvements around the Nissan factory in Sunderland but that is about it. Michael Portillo pointed out on the This week programme on BBC 1 last night that if tariffs go up then Nissan will be quids in as over 50% of Nissan cars made in Sunderland are exported. John Mills the millionaire businessman and Labour party donor was on the Jeremy vine show on BBC radio 2 today and he said that the new lower value of the pound will help exports and companies like Nissan will benefit with their exports because of the devaluation of the pound making their products more competitive in the global market. Nissan's exports are going to rise and make the company even more profitable than it was before. "
thats being too simplistic as that is making the assumption that nissan would still sell the same amount of cars they would do at the higher price....., plus as others have said a lot of the raw materials needed are going to come in from overseas, and they price on those are going to go up because of the fall in sterling.....
if there was a tariff put on cars, the maufacturers are not going to be the one swallowing that cost to sell cars.... they will end up being passed on to the dealers.... who will then pass them onto the customers....... |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
Babbacombe Torquay |
"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
So importers purchase way ahead, so why are importers all saying 'our costs have increased because of the fall in the pound, our costs of importing have gone up by 10-20% since brexit, so we are losing money, and have to put prices up by 10%... etc,etc,etc...?
Profiteering, perhaps?
and when the pound went up 18 months ago, prices didn't go down...
More profiteering, perhaps?
Blaming Brexit is a convenience for unscrupulous companies to put prices up and make people redundant..."
Not all imports work the same way, fresh produce for supermarkets for example is purchased probably on a daily basis, prices fluctuate almost by the day.
When we purchase Californian wine we order two years in advance of delivery and that is the price at point of delivery, regardless of currency movements......dried fruits from California work on a far shorter purchasing cycle, crop yields and crop quality dictate price and are ordered Six monthly.
Coffee price on the other hand changes daily, and currency fluctuation is everything.
There will be a degree of profiteering with some imports, but often price rises have to be carefully staged in little steps in order to keep some markets smooth in operation. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"Does anybody seriously believe that the government needed to do anything for Nissan, they would never have left anyway. They obviously gave them assurances of the benefits of Brexit and thats about it
Have to say I'm inclined to agree. I think the government will have given Nissan assurances on infrastructure improvements around the Nissan factory in Sunderland but that is about it. Michael Portillo pointed out on the This week programme on BBC 1 last night that if tariffs go up then Nissan will be quids in as over 50% of Nissan cars made in Sunderland are exported. John Mills the millionaire businessman and Labour party donor was on the Jeremy vine show on BBC radio 2 today and he said that the new lower value of the pound will help exports and companies like Nissan will benefit with their exports because of the devaluation of the pound making their products more competitive in the global market. Nissan's exports are going to rise and make the company even more profitable than it was before.
thats being too simplistic as that is making the assumption that nissan would still sell the same amount of cars they would do at the higher price....., plus as others have said a lot of the raw materials needed are going to come in from overseas, and they price on those are going to go up because of the fall in sterling.....
if there was a tariff put on cars, the maufacturers are not going to be the one swallowing that cost to sell cars.... they will end up being passed on to the dealers.... who will then pass them onto the customers......."
I think that's lost on some people, who just assume that a low Pound will be a massive boost to exporters.....regardless of the fact that the other side of the coin for many manufacturing companies is a massive variance in raw material costs....due to the low pound. |
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"Does anybody seriously believe that the government needed to do anything for Nissan, they would never have left anyway. They obviously gave them assurances of the benefits of Brexit and thats about it
Have to say I'm inclined to agree. I think the government will have given Nissan assurances on infrastructure improvements around the Nissan factory in Sunderland but that is about it. Michael Portillo pointed out on the This week programme on BBC 1 last night that if tariffs go up then Nissan will be quids in as over 50% of Nissan cars made in Sunderland are exported. John Mills the millionaire businessman and Labour party donor was on the Jeremy vine show on BBC radio 2 today and he said that the new lower value of the pound will help exports and companies like Nissan will benefit with their exports because of the devaluation of the pound making their products more competitive in the global market. Nissan's exports are going to rise and make the company even more profitable than it was before.
thats being too simplistic as that is making the assumption that nissan would still sell the same amount of cars they would do at the higher price....., plus as others have said a lot of the raw materials needed are going to come in from overseas, and they price on those are going to go up because of the fall in sterling.....
if there was a tariff put on cars, the maufacturers are not going to be the one swallowing that cost to sell cars.... they will end up being passed on to the dealers.... who will then pass them onto the customers......."
It won't be a higher price because of the lower value of the pound, the Nissan cars will be more competitive in the global market even with tariffs on top.
As for the raw materials, if Nissan buy British steel to manufacture cars then import costs won't apply. |
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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago
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"Does anybody seriously believe that the government needed to do anything for Nissan, they would never have left anyway. They obviously gave them assurances of the benefits of Brexit and thats about it"
If a company like Bamfords JCB supported Brexit we can be certain that Nissan would not be concerned . I seem to remember Nissan saying that they have a first class workforce in the UK.
The recent fall in the value of the pound will put Nissan in an even more competitive position for exporting their vehicles .
Any increase in their imported costs will be minimal as most of the value added is in the UK and component costs of the imported raw materials are comparatively. small.. |
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over a year ago
Wisbech and A47 corridor |
"Does anybody seriously believe that the government needed to do anything for Nissan, they would never have left anyway. They obviously gave them assurances of the benefits of Brexit and thats about it
Have to say I'm inclined to agree. I think the government will have given Nissan assurances on infrastructure improvements around the Nissan factory in Sunderland but that is about it. Michael Portillo pointed out on the This week programme on BBC 1 last night that if tariffs go up then Nissan will be quids in as over 50% of Nissan cars made in Sunderland are exported. John Mills the millionaire businessman and Labour party donor was on the Jeremy vine show on BBC radio 2 today and he said that the new lower value of the pound will help exports and companies like Nissan will benefit with their exports because of the devaluation of the pound making their products more competitive in the global market. Nissan's exports are going to rise and make the company even more profitable than it was before.
thats being too simplistic as that is making the assumption that nissan would still sell the same amount of cars they would do at the higher price....., plus as others have said a lot of the raw materials needed are going to come in from overseas, and they price on those are going to go up because of the fall in sterling.....
if there was a tariff put on cars, the maufacturers are not going to be the one swallowing that cost to sell cars.... they will end up being passed on to the dealers.... who will then pass them onto the customers.......
I think that's lost on some people, who just assume that a low Pound will be a massive boost to exporters.....regardless of the fact that the other side of the coin for many manufacturing companies is a massive variance in raw material costs....due to the low pound. "
I think that most people realize that the imported raw materials from which a vehicle is built are a fairly insignificant part of the overall cost of the vehicle and what matters is the value added element in the UK. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
Babbacombe Torquay |
"Does anybody seriously believe that the government needed to do anything for Nissan, they would never have left anyway. They obviously gave them assurances of the benefits of Brexit and thats about it
Have to say I'm inclined to agree. I think the government will have given Nissan assurances on infrastructure improvements around the Nissan factory in Sunderland but that is about it. Michael Portillo pointed out on the This week programme on BBC 1 last night that if tariffs go up then Nissan will be quids in as over 50% of Nissan cars made in Sunderland are exported. John Mills the millionaire businessman and Labour party donor was on the Jeremy vine show on BBC radio 2 today and he said that the new lower value of the pound will help exports and companies like Nissan will benefit with their exports because of the devaluation of the pound making their products more competitive in the global market. Nissan's exports are going to rise and make the company even more profitable than it was before.
thats being too simplistic as that is making the assumption that nissan would still sell the same amount of cars they would do at the higher price....., plus as others have said a lot of the raw materials needed are going to come in from overseas, and they price on those are going to go up because of the fall in sterling.....
if there was a tariff put on cars, the maufacturers are not going to be the one swallowing that cost to sell cars.... they will end up being passed on to the dealers.... who will then pass them onto the customers.......
I think that's lost on some people, who just assume that a low Pound will be a massive boost to exporters.....regardless of the fact that the other side of the coin for many manufacturing companies is a massive variance in raw material costs....due to the low pound. I think that most people realize that the imported raw materials from which a vehicle is built are a fairly insignificant part of the overall cost of the vehicle and what matters is the value added element in the UK."
Britain exports all manner of goods not only cars, many products that are exported are far less labour intensified and their biggest cost IS materials and not man hours. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
So importers purchase way ahead, so why are importers all saying 'our costs have increased because of the fall in the pound, our costs of importing have gone up by 10-20% since brexit, so we are losing money, and have to put prices up by 10%... etc,etc,etc...?
Profiteering, perhaps?
and when the pound went up 18 months ago, prices didn't go down...
More profiteering, perhaps?
Blaming Brexit is a convenience for unscrupulous companies to put prices up and make people redundant...
Not all imports work the same way, fresh produce for supermarkets for example is purchased probably on a daily basis, prices fluctuate almost by the day.
When we purchase Californian wine we order two years in advance of delivery and that is the price at point of delivery, regardless of currency movements......dried fruits from California work on a far shorter purchasing cycle, crop yields and crop quality dictate price and are ordered Six monthly.
Coffee price on the other hand changes daily, and currency fluctuation is everything.
There will be a degree of profiteering with some imports, but often price rises have to be carefully staged in little steps in order to keep some markets smooth in operation."
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"Does anybody seriously believe that the government needed to do anything for Nissan, they would never have left anyway. They obviously gave them assurances of the benefits of Brexit and thats about it
Have to say I'm inclined to agree. I think the government will have given Nissan assurances on infrastructure improvements around the Nissan factory in Sunderland but that is about it. Michael Portillo pointed out on the This week programme on BBC 1 last night that if tariffs go up then Nissan will be quids in as over 50% of Nissan cars made in Sunderland are exported. John Mills the millionaire businessman and Labour party donor was on the Jeremy vine show on BBC radio 2 today and he said that the new lower value of the pound will help exports and companies like Nissan will benefit with their exports because of the devaluation of the pound making their products more competitive in the global market. Nissan's exports are going to rise and make the company even more profitable than it was before.
thats being too simplistic as that is making the assumption that nissan would still sell the same amount of cars they would do at the higher price....., plus as others have said a lot of the raw materials needed are going to come in from overseas, and they price on those are going to go up because of the fall in sterling.....
if there was a tariff put on cars, the maufacturers are not going to be the one swallowing that cost to sell cars.... they will end up being passed on to the dealers.... who will then pass them onto the customers.......
It won't be a higher price because of the lower value of the pound, the Nissan cars will be more competitive in the global market even with tariffs on top.
As for the raw materials, if Nissan buy British steel to manufacture cars then import costs won't apply. "
But if British steal is still more expensive than importing Chinese steal with higher taffifs then costs still go up |
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"Does anybody seriously believe that the government needed to do anything for Nissan, they would never have left anyway. They obviously gave them assurances of the benefits of Brexit and thats about it"
Considering May can't give any assurances on the benefits of Brexit I'd be amazed if Nissan bought that line. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Does anybody seriously believe that the government needed to do anything for Nissan, they would never have left anyway. They obviously gave them assurances of the benefits of Brexit and thats about it
Considering May can't give any assurances on the benefits of Brexit I'd be amazed if Nissan bought that line. "
this is the problem and this is why everyone wants to see the letter or want the "letter of understanding" to be made public (or i bet you are going to see a FOI request made to release it)
because it looks like either
a) they are making assurances to nissan and telling them there brexit negioiation position when they won't tell parliament
or b) they are going to financially aid/compensate nissan if they incur any losses because of the exit because of tarriffs... in which case every other company are going to say "what about us?"....
the problem is nissans CEO is known in the business world to be extremely hard nosed.... so everyone wants to know what was said/offered..... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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As for the raw materials, if Nissan buy British steel to manufacture cars then import costs won't apply.
But if British steal is still more expensive than importing Chinese steal with higher taffifs then costs still go up "
I know... that particular bit made me laugh because i absolutely remember certain people in this thread blaming the EU for the Troubles at Tata Steel, and not putting tarrifs on cheap chinese and russian steel..... when the biggest country fighting the tarriffs was the UK.... |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
Babbacombe Torquay |
"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
So importers purchase way ahead, so why are importers all saying 'our costs have increased because of the fall in the pound, our costs of importing have gone up by 10-20% since brexit, so we are losing money, and have to put prices up by 10%... etc,etc,etc...?
Profiteering, perhaps?
and when the pound went up 18 months ago, prices didn't go down...
More profiteering, perhaps?
Blaming Brexit is a convenience for unscrupulous companies to put prices up and make people redundant...
Not all imports work the same way, fresh produce for supermarkets for example is purchased probably on a daily basis, prices fluctuate almost by the day.
When we purchase Californian wine we order two years in advance of delivery and that is the price at point of delivery, regardless of currency movements......dried fruits from California work on a far shorter purchasing cycle, crop yields and crop quality dictate price and are ordered Six monthly.
Coffee price on the other hand changes daily, and currency fluctuation is everything.
There will be a degree of profiteering with some imports, but often price rises have to be carefully staged in little steps in order to keep some markets smooth in operation.
Does the EU set an Import duty on dried fruits from California to the UK? What is that duty?"
Yes....and it averages 17.6% depending on which fruit and on sugar content.....it's complicated. |
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"Does anybody seriously believe that the government needed to do anything for Nissan, they would never have left anyway. They obviously gave them assurances of the benefits of Brexit and thats about it
Have to say I'm inclined to agree. I think the government will have given Nissan assurances on infrastructure improvements around the Nissan factory in Sunderland but that is about it. Michael Portillo pointed out on the This week programme on BBC 1 last night that if tariffs go up then Nissan will be quids in as over 50% of Nissan cars made in Sunderland are exported. John Mills the millionaire businessman and Labour party donor was on the Jeremy vine show on BBC radio 2 today and he said that the new lower value of the pound will help exports and companies like Nissan will benefit with their exports because of the devaluation of the pound making their products more competitive in the global market. Nissan's exports are going to rise and make the company even more profitable than it was before.
thats being too simplistic as that is making the assumption that nissan would still sell the same amount of cars they would do at the higher price....., plus as others have said a lot of the raw materials needed are going to come in from overseas, and they price on those are going to go up because of the fall in sterling.....
if there was a tariff put on cars, the maufacturers are not going to be the one swallowing that cost to sell cars.... they will end up being passed on to the dealers.... who will then pass them onto the customers.......
It won't be a higher price because of the lower value of the pound, the Nissan cars will be more competitive in the global market even with tariffs on top.
As for the raw materials, if Nissan buy British steel to manufacture cars then import costs won't apply. "
But where does British steel get it's iron ore or pig iron from and what currency is that priced in? It's not got anywhere in the UK or priced in £GBP. |
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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago
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I think that's lost on some people, who just assume that a low Pound will be a massive boost to exporters.....regardless of the fact that the other side of the coin for many manufacturing companies is a massive variance in raw material costs....due to the low pound. I think that most people realize that the imported raw materials from which a vehicle is built are a fairly insignificant part of the overall cost of the vehicle and what matters is the value added element in the UK."
I think some people don't understand that just because labour costs might be more than parts, that doesn't mean raw materials are insignificant. The parts and materials used in cars are by no means insignificant. Stop trying to pretend and downplay it. |
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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago
Wisbech and A47 corridor |
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I think that's lost on some people, who just assume that a low Pound will be a massive boost to exporters.....regardless of the fact that the other side of the coin for many manufacturing companies is a massive variance in raw material costs....due to the low pound. I think that most people realize that the imported raw materials from which a vehicle is built are a fairly insignificant part of the overall cost of the vehicle and what matters is the value added element in the UK.
I think some people don't understand that just because labour costs might be more than parts, that doesn't mean raw materials are insignificant. The parts and materials used in cars are by no means insignificant. Stop trying to pretend and downplay it. "
However the cost of steel would appear to vary between £500 and £1000 per ton. We are unlikely to use a ton in the manufacture of a vehicle and any increase in the component cost will be insignificant compared to the advantage of more competitive exports .
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"It seems that Nissan are definite remainers!
Car production remaining in Sunderland.
New investment to upgrade plant for the new Quasquai (spelling probably wrong?) and Shogun models. Safeguarding 7000+ jobs and creating up to 1200 more at the plant....plus however many in the U.K. supply chain. Just announced today.
Also UK GDP figures up by 0.5% in the latest quarterly figures. Slightly down on previous quarter but above predictions and more in a quarter than a France or a Germany have managed in a year!
The rise in GDP is almost entirely down to the Services sector, and is just about all due to the rise in the FTSE.
Exporters will feel the effect of the fall in the pound as an almost instant boost to their turnover, on the other hand importers won't feel the full impact of the rise in cost of goods until early next year.
That's because as a rule importers purchase goods very much ahead of time, as an example the bulk dried fruits that are just coming in from California to us were purchased in US$ in March of this year, we have already estimated the next order of goods from California will cost somewhere in the region of 12-13% more.
It is only when UK business sees a full calendar years trading from the referendum date that they will have a better indication of impact.
So importers purchase way ahead, so why are importers all saying 'our costs have increased because of the fall in the pound, our costs of importing have gone up by 10-20% since brexit, so we are losing money, and have to put prices up by 10%... etc,etc,etc...?
Profiteering, perhaps?
and when the pound went up 18 months ago, prices didn't go down...
More profiteering, perhaps?
Blaming Brexit is a convenience for unscrupulous companies to put prices up and make people redundant...
Not all imports work the same way, fresh produce for supermarkets for example is purchased probably on a daily basis, prices fluctuate almost by the day.
When we purchase Californian wine we order two years in advance of delivery and that is the price at point of delivery, regardless of currency movements......dried fruits from California work on a far shorter purchasing cycle, crop yields and crop quality dictate price and are ordered Six monthly.
Coffee price on the other hand changes daily, and currency fluctuation is everything.
There will be a degree of profiteering with some imports, but often price rises have to be carefully staged in little steps in order to keep some markets smooth in operation.
Does the EU set an Import duty on dried fruits from California to the UK? What is that duty?
Yes....and it averages 17.6% depending on which fruit and on sugar content.....it's complicated."
So if we were able to do a trade deal ourselves with the US that was either tariff free or even say at 5%, then this would more than make up for the loss in sterling value? Prices of imported fruit could even drop? |
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given that Clark the business sec of state has said they want tariff free trading for the car industry, is that an indicator of erring toward a 'soft Brexit' and if it were to be the case for just one industry how legal is that if the other sectors in the economy are not granted the same..? |
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"Help pls from some of you trade geeky types..
given that Clark the business sec of state has said they want tariff free trading for the car industry, is that an indicator of erring toward a 'soft Brexit' and if it were to be the case for just one industry how legal is that if the other sectors in the economy are not granted the same..?"
no soft brexit just a tariff free one for all industries to benefit everyone. If the EU want 98% tariff free trade with a smaller economy like Canada why wouldn't they want the same or better with the UK? |
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"Help pls from some of you trade geeky types..
given that Clark the business sec of state has said they want tariff free trading for the car industry, is that an indicator of erring toward a 'soft Brexit' and if it were to be the case for just one industry how legal is that if the other sectors in the economy are not granted the same..?
no soft brexit just a tariff free one for all industries to benefit everyone. If the EU want 98% tariff free trade with a smaller economy like Canada why wouldn't they want the same or better with the UK?"
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"If the EU want 98% tariff free trade with a smaller economy like Canada why wouldn't they want the same or better with the UK?"
Because giving the same to the UK will be a break-up of the EU. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"Help pls from some of you trade geeky types..
given that Clark the business sec of state has said they want tariff free trading for the car industry, is that an indicator of erring toward a 'soft Brexit' and if it were to be the case for just one industry how legal is that if the other sectors in the economy are not granted the same..?
no soft brexit just a tariff free one for all industries to benefit everyone. If the EU want 98% tariff free trade with a smaller economy like Canada why wouldn't they want the same or better with the UK?"
That would have to include freedom of movement though.....which for many who voted to leave would defeat the purpose. |
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"Help pls from some of you trade geeky types..
given that Clark the business sec of state has said they want tariff free trading for the car industry, is that an indicator of erring toward a 'soft Brexit' and if it were to be the case for just one industry how legal is that if the other sectors in the economy are not granted the same..?
no soft brexit just a tariff free one for all industries to benefit everyone. If the EU want 98% tariff free trade with a smaller economy like Canada why wouldn't they want the same or better with the UK?
That would have to include freedom of movement though.....which for many who voted to leave would defeat the purpose."
Free movement of people does not apply in the Canada deal though. |
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"Help pls from some of you trade geeky types..
given that Clark the business sec of state has said they want tariff free trading for the car industry, is that an indicator of erring toward a 'soft Brexit' and if it were to be the case for just one industry how legal is that if the other sectors in the economy are not granted the same..?
no soft brexit just a tariff free one for all industries to benefit everyone. If the EU want 98% tariff free trade with a smaller economy like Canada why wouldn't they want the same or better with the UK?
That would have to include freedom of movement though.....which for many who voted to leave would defeat the purpose.
Free movement of people does not apply in the Canada deal though. "
Neither do goods and services I.e. banking and a lot of other things too. |
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"Help pls from some of you trade geeky types..
given that Clark the business sec of state has said they want tariff free trading for the car industry, is that an indicator of erring toward a 'soft Brexit' and if it were to be the case for just one industry how legal is that if the other sectors in the economy are not granted the same..?
no soft brexit just a tariff free one for all industries to benefit everyone. If the EU want 98% tariff free trade with a smaller economy like Canada why wouldn't they want the same or better with the UK?
That would have to include freedom of movement though.....which for many who voted to leave would defeat the purpose.
Free movement of people does not apply in the Canada deal though.
Neither do goods and services I.e. banking and a lot of other things too."
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"Help pls from some of you trade geeky types..
given that Clark the business sec of state has said they want tariff free trading for the car industry, is that an indicator of erring toward a 'soft Brexit' and if it were to be the case for just one industry how legal is that if the other sectors in the economy are not granted the same..?
no soft brexit just a tariff free one for all industries to benefit everyone. If the EU want 98% tariff free trade with a smaller economy like Canada why wouldn't they want the same or better with the UK?
That would have to include freedom of movement though.....which for many who voted to leave would defeat the purpose.
Free movement of people does not apply in the Canada deal though.
Neither do goods and services I.e. banking and a lot of other things too.
Of course it does"
In some ways at least. And I'm not saying the same deal would be good for the UK. The point is, in a world that is trying to remove tariffs, which on the whole are very low now anyway, why would any organisgation want to impose tariffs against a huge customer? |
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"Help pls from some of you trade geeky types..
given that Clark the business sec of state has said they want tariff free trading for the car industry, is that an indicator of erring toward a 'soft Brexit' and if it were to be the case for just one industry how legal is that if the other sectors in the economy are not granted the same..?
no soft brexit just a tariff free one for all industries to benefit everyone. If the EU want 98% tariff free trade with a smaller economy like Canada why wouldn't they want the same or better with the UK?
That would have to include freedom of movement though.....which for many who voted to leave would defeat the purpose.
Free movement of people does not apply in the Canada deal though.
Neither do goods and services I.e. banking and a lot of other things too.
Of course it does"
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"Help pls from some of you trade geeky types..
given that Clark the business sec of state has said they want tariff free trading for the car industry, is that an indicator of erring toward a 'soft Brexit' and if it were to be the case for just one industry how legal is that if the other sectors in the economy are not granted the same..?
no soft brexit just a tariff free one for all industries to benefit everyone. If the EU want 98% tariff free trade with a smaller economy like Canada why wouldn't they want the same or better with the UK?
That would have to include freedom of movement though.....which for many who voted to leave would defeat the purpose.
Free movement of people does not apply in the Canada deal though.
Neither do goods and services I.e. banking and a lot of other things too.
Of course it does
the deal with Canada doesn't cover services."
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over a year ago
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"Help pls from some of you trade geeky types..
given that Clark the business sec of state has said they want tariff free trading for the car industry, is that an indicator of erring toward a 'soft Brexit' and if it were to be the case for just one industry how legal is that if the other sectors in the economy are not granted the same..?
no soft brexit just a tariff free one for all industries to benefit everyone. If the EU want 98% tariff free trade with a smaller economy like Canada why wouldn't they want the same or better with the UK?
That would have to include freedom of movement though.....which for many who voted to leave would defeat the purpose.
Free movement of people does not apply in the Canada deal though. "
It only takes one member state to veto any UK-EU trade deal, and at least Six have publicly stated that free trade has to go hand in hand with freedom of movement, it would never be ratified within EU states. |
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"Help pls from some of you trade geeky types..
given that Clark the business sec of state has said they want tariff free trading for the car industry, is that an indicator of erring toward a 'soft Brexit' and if it were to be the case for just one industry how legal is that if the other sectors in the economy are not granted the same..?
no soft brexit just a tariff free one for all industries to benefit everyone. If the EU want 98% tariff free trade with a smaller economy like Canada why wouldn't they want the same or better with the UK?
That would have to include freedom of movement though.....which for many who voted to leave would defeat the purpose.
Free movement of people does not apply in the Canada deal though.
It only takes one member state to veto any UK-EU trade deal, and at least Six have publicly stated that free trade has to go hand in hand with freedom of movement, it would never be ratified within EU states."
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"Help pls from some of you trade geeky types..
given that Clark the business sec of state has said they want tariff free trading for the car industry, is that an indicator of erring toward a 'soft Brexit' and if it were to be the case for just one industry how legal is that if the other sectors in the economy are not granted the same..?
no soft brexit just a tariff free one for all industries to benefit everyone. If the EU want 98% tariff free trade with a smaller economy like Canada why wouldn't they want the same or better with the UK?
That would have to include freedom of movement though.....which for many who voted to leave would defeat the purpose.
Free movement of people does not apply in the Canada deal though.
It only takes one member state to veto any UK-EU trade deal, and at least Six have publicly stated that free trade has to go hand in hand with freedom of movement, it would never be ratified within EU states."
Sorry, I can't see whether you answered my question about the drop in sterling and tariffs;
If we were able to do a trade deal ourselves with the US that was either tariff free or even say at 5%, then this would more than make up for the loss in sterling value? Prices of imported fruit could even drop?
Also, another question about the value of sterling and price increases -
When the value of sterling against the dollar rose by about 10% in 2013/14, why didn't suppliers and retailers drop their prices? Profiteering perhaps? |
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over a year ago
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"Help pls from some of you trade geeky types..
given that Clark the business sec of state has said they want tariff free trading for the car industry, is that an indicator of erring toward a 'soft Brexit' and if it were to be the case for just one industry how legal is that if the other sectors in the economy are not granted the same..?
no soft brexit just a tariff free one for all industries to benefit everyone. If the EU want 98% tariff free trade with a smaller economy like Canada why wouldn't they want the same or better with the UK?
That would have to include freedom of movement though.....which for many who voted to leave would defeat the purpose.
Free movement of people does not apply in the Canada deal though.
It only takes one member state to veto any UK-EU trade deal, and at least Six have publicly stated that free trade has to go hand in hand with freedom of movement, it would never be ratified within EU states.
Sorry, I can't see whether you answered my question about the drop in sterling and tariffs;
If we were able to do a trade deal ourselves with the US that was either tariff free or even say at 5%, then this would more than make up for the loss in sterling value? Prices of imported fruit could even drop?
Also, another question about the value of sterling and price increases -
When the value of sterling against the dollar rose by about 10% in 2013/14, why didn't suppliers and retailers drop their prices? Profiteering perhaps?"
Actually wholesale prices in our sector do in fact go up AND down every year, depending on supplier prices, currency fluctuations, shipping costs, and more so in line with crop yields.
Regarding a free trade agreement with the US it is unlikely to include food stuffs as UK Food Agency regulations are so far apart from many current US
Food regulations which are far less strict in so many areas of their food production.
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over a year ago
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Some people act like playground bullies to stop people having an alternative view to theirs....is it any wonder that you rarely get new faces posting on here?
I've looked back at some of the older posts on the politics forum....same faces trying to stifle debate if it differs from their own opinion. |
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"Some people act like playground bullies to stop people having an alternative view to theirs....is it any wonder that you rarely get new faces posting on here?
I've looked back at some of the older posts on the politics forum....same faces trying to stifle debate if it differs from their own opinion."
Yes that's why I stopped posting sick of the remainers not accepting referendum vote. |
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"Help pls from some of you trade geeky types..
given that Clark the business sec of state has said they want tariff free trading for the car industry, is that an indicator of erring toward a 'soft Brexit' and if it were to be the case for just one industry how legal is that if the other sectors in the economy are not granted the same..?
no soft brexit just a tariff free one for all industries to benefit everyone. If the EU want 98% tariff free trade with a smaller economy like Canada why wouldn't they want the same or better with the UK?
That would have to include freedom of movement though.....which for many who voted to leave would defeat the purpose.
Free movement of people does not apply in the Canada deal though.
It only takes one member state to veto any UK-EU trade deal, and at least Six have publicly stated that free trade has to go hand in hand with freedom of movement, it would never be ratified within EU states."
Then we go onto WTO terms with tariffs then. As Johan Eliasch, boss of Dutch sports giant, Head, pointed out in the Sunday Times the other week Britain will still be better off. He wrote "Britain will come out in front even if the EU imposes 10% tariffs. Far from a punishment a 10% tariff would reward Britain with a hefty £12bn a year from goods including German cars and french wines and cheeses, twice as much as we would pay on exports to the EU. THE numbers don't lie and it's clear the Germans, at least, understand their implication" Eliasch says.
Ms Merkel certainly saw his point when she said "if we're all sensible, we'll all come to a sensible solution".
Ms Merkel and the Germans know all too well Britain is holding all the ace cards in this upcoming negotiation. |
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As pointed out above trade deals will not be easy as all takes is one member can spike any agreement. Also the CETA has taken over 12 years to sort out. It looks like the government are going to try and negotiate trade deals sector by sector. I think the automotive sector will be one of the easiest we export and import to the eu similar amounts so equal self interest especially if we pay the eu a bit of cash too. Banking and pharmaceuticals are going to be much harder as we export much more than we import. |
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"Some people act like playground bullies to stop people having an alternative view to theirs....is it any wonder that you rarely get new faces posting on here?
I've looked back at some of the older posts on the politics forum....same faces trying to stifle debate if it differs from their own opinion.
Yes that's why I stopped posting sick of the remainers not accepting referendum vote. "
Couldn't agree more . The whinging defeatist attitude of the remoaners has put a lot of people off from posting in here. |
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"Some people act like playground bullies to stop people having an alternative view to theirs....is it any wonder that you rarely get new faces posting on here?
I've looked back at some of the older posts on the politics forum....same faces trying to stifle debate if it differs from their own opinion.
Yes that's why I stopped posting sick of the remainers not accepting referendum vote.
Couldn't agree more . The whinging defeatist attitude of the remoaners has put a lot of people off from posting in here. "
Ah bless...you even have a little name for the people who dare not to have the same view as you, what a boring world it would be of everyone agreed on everything.
It's called debate, a chance for people of differing views to debate matters, and I think you are mixing up 'defeatist' with 'concerned'.....much in the way that many in the Leave camp were 'concerned' at the way that EU was heading, 'concerned' at how much they thought our membership was costing us....and it was their right to be concerned if it troubled them.
What really tickles me is the use of the word 'control' by the Leave camp in the lead up to the referendum, how they thought we were being controlled by the EU, how EU control was threatening our sovereignty....yet here we are with several Leave voters on here attempting to 'control' the way others think, those that wanted to remain have every right to debate Brexit on here, as much right (and no more) than those that wanted to leave. |
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"As pointed out above trade deals will not be easy as all takes is one member can spike any agreement. Also the CETA has taken over 12 years to sort out. It looks like the government are going to try and negotiate trade deals sector by sector. I think the automotive sector will be one of the easiest we export and import to the eu similar amounts so equal self interest especially if we pay the eu a bit of cash too. Banking and pharmaceuticals are going to be much harder as we export much more than we import."
Coupled with the fact that other industries will want to know why ( if ) they are forced to accept a lesser deal that involves tariffs......level playing field needed I think. |
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"Some people act like playground bullies to stop people having an alternative view to theirs....is it any wonder that you rarely get new faces posting on here?
I've looked back at some of the older posts on the politics forum....same faces trying to stifle debate if it differs from their own opinion.
Yes that's why I stopped posting sick of the remainers not accepting referendum vote.
Couldn't agree more . The whinging defeatist attitude of the remoaners has put a lot of people off from posting in here.
Ah bless...you even have a little name for the people who dare not to have the same view as you, what a boring world it would be of everyone agreed on everything.
It's called debate, a chance for people of differing views to debate matters, and I think you are mixing up 'defeatist' with 'concerned'.....much in the way that many in the Leave camp were 'concerned' at the way that EU was heading, 'concerned' at how much they thought our membership was costing us....and it was their right to be concerned if it troubled them.
What really tickles me is the use of the word 'control' by the Leave camp in the lead up to the referendum, how they thought we were being controlled by the EU, how EU control was threatening our sovereignty....yet here we are with several Leave voters on here attempting to 'control' the way others think, those that wanted to remain have every right to debate Brexit on here, as much right (and no more) than those that wanted to leave."
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"Some people act like playground bullies to stop people having an alternative view to theirs....is it any wonder that you rarely get new faces posting on here?
I've looked back at some of the older posts on the politics forum....same faces trying to stifle debate if it differs from their own opinion.
Yes that's why I stopped posting sick of the remainers not accepting referendum vote.
Couldn't agree more . The whinging defeatist attitude of the remoaners has put a lot of people off from posting in here.
Ah bless...you even have a little name for the people who dare not to have the same view as you, what a boring world it would be of everyone agreed on everything.
It's called debate, a chance for people of differing views to debate matters, and I think you are mixing up 'defeatist' with 'concerned'.....much in the way that many in the Leave camp were 'concerned' at the way that EU was heading, 'concerned' at how much they thought our membership was costing us....and it was their right to be concerned if it troubled them.
What really tickles me is the use of the word 'control' by the Leave camp in the lead up to the referendum, how they thought we were being controlled by the EU, how EU control was threatening our sovereignty....yet here we are with several Leave voters on here attempting to 'control' the way others think, those that wanted to remain have every right to debate Brexit on here, as much right (and no more) than those that wanted to leave.
Perfect example of my previous post. Thanks "
And a perfect example of how SOME people on here refuse to respect the views of someone who doesn't agree with their school of thought, you haven't got to agree with the way others think, you just need to respect their right to think differently than you....instead of coming up with childish names in an attempt to belittle their views. |
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"Some people act like playground bullies to stop people having an alternative view to theirs....is it any wonder that you rarely get new faces posting on here?
I've looked back at some of the older posts on the politics forum....same faces trying to stifle debate if it differs from their own opinion.
Yes that's why I stopped posting sick of the remainers not accepting referendum vote.
Couldn't agree more . The whinging defeatist attitude of the remoaners has put a lot of people off from posting in here.
Ah bless...you even have a little name for the people who dare not to have the same view as you, what a boring world it would be of everyone agreed on everything.
It's called debate, a chance for people of differing views to debate matters, and I think you are mixing up 'defeatist' with 'concerned'.....much in the way that many in the Leave camp were 'concerned' at the way that EU was heading, 'concerned' at how much they thought our membership was costing us....and it was their right to be concerned if it troubled them.
What really tickles me is the use of the word 'control' by the Leave camp in the lead up to the referendum, how they thought we were being controlled by the EU, how EU control was threatening our sovereignty....yet here we are with several Leave voters on here attempting to 'control' the way others think, those that wanted to remain have every right to debate Brexit on here, as much right (and no more) than those that wanted to leave.
Perfect example of my previous post. Thanks
And a perfect example of how SOME people on here refuse to respect the views of someone who doesn't agree with their school of thought, you haven't got to agree with the way others think, you just need to respect their right to think differently than you....instead of coming up with childish names in an attempt to belittle their views."
Here are just a few quotes from some of your recent posts. This took me seconds to compile.
"Once again you reply to another of my posts with a bloody stupid attitude"
"What part of that don't YOU understand?"
"Once again you use bollocks to answer one of my posts, am I meant to be impressed that you own a firearm?"
"But don't let that fact stop you from following my posts around like a little Jack Russell."
"I think you know exactly what I meant, stop being so petty"
If you want to see a bully, mate - just look in a mirror.
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"Some people act like playground bullies to stop people having an alternative view to theirs....is it any wonder that you rarely get new faces posting on here?
I've looked back at some of the older posts on the politics forum....same faces trying to stifle debate if it differs from their own opinion.
Yes that's why I stopped posting sick of the remainers not accepting referendum vote.
Couldn't agree more . The whinging defeatist attitude of the remoaners has put a lot of people off from posting in here.
Ah bless...you even have a little name for the people who dare not to have the same view as you, what a boring world it would be of everyone agreed on everything.
It's called debate, a chance for people of differing views to debate matters, and I think you are mixing up 'defeatist' with 'concerned'.....much in the way that many in the Leave camp were 'concerned' at the way that EU was heading, 'concerned' at how much they thought our membership was costing us....and it was their right to be concerned if it troubled them.
What really tickles me is the use of the word 'control' by the Leave camp in the lead up to the referendum, how they thought we were being controlled by the EU, how EU control was threatening our sovereignty....yet here we are with several Leave voters on here attempting to 'control' the way others think, those that wanted to remain have every right to debate Brexit on here, as much right (and no more) than those that wanted to leave.
Perfect example of my previous post. Thanks
And a perfect example of how SOME people on here refuse to respect the views of someone who doesn't agree with their school of thought, you haven't got to agree with the way others think, you just need to respect their right to think differently than you....instead of coming up with childish names in an attempt to belittle their views.
Here are just a few quotes from some of your recent posts. This took me seconds to compile.
"Once again you reply to another of my posts with a bloody stupid attitude"
"What part of that don't YOU understand?"
"Once again you use bollocks to answer one of my posts, am I meant to be impressed that you own a firearm?"
"But don't let that fact stop you from following my posts around like a little Jack Russell."
"I think you know exactly what I meant, stop being so petty"
If you want to see a bully, mate - just look in a mirror.
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"Some people act like playground bullies to stop people having an alternative view to theirs....is it any wonder that you rarely get new faces posting on here?
I've looked back at some of the older posts on the politics forum....same faces trying to stifle debate if it differs from their own opinion.
Yes that's why I stopped posting sick of the remainers not accepting referendum vote.
Couldn't agree more . The whinging defeatist attitude of the remoaners has put a lot of people off from posting in here.
Ah bless...you even have a little name for the people who dare not to have the same view as you, what a boring world it would be of everyone agreed on everything.
It's called debate, a chance for people of differing views to debate matters, and I think you are mixing up 'defeatist' with 'concerned'.....much in the way that many in the Leave camp were 'concerned' at the way that EU was heading, 'concerned' at how much they thought our membership was costing us....and it was their right to be concerned if it troubled them.
What really tickles me is the use of the word 'control' by the Leave camp in the lead up to the referendum, how they thought we were being controlled by the EU, how EU control was threatening our sovereignty....yet here we are with several Leave voters on here attempting to 'control' the way others think, those that wanted to remain have every right to debate Brexit on here, as much right (and no more) than those that wanted to leave.
Perfect example of my previous post. Thanks
And a perfect example of how SOME people on here refuse to respect the views of someone who doesn't agree with their school of thought, you haven't got to agree with the way others think, you just need to respect their right to think differently than you....instead of coming up with childish names in an attempt to belittle their views.
Here are just a few quotes from some of your recent posts. This took me seconds to compile.
"Once again you reply to another of my posts with a bloody stupid attitude"
"What part of that don't YOU understand?"
"Once again you use bollocks to answer one of my posts, am I meant to be impressed that you own a firearm?"
"But don't let that fact stop you from following my posts around like a little Jack Russell."
"I think you know exactly what I meant, stop being so petty"
If you want to see a bully, mate - just look in a mirror.
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If people have a different view than I on a matter I will debate with them, and I'll respect their views providing they are not racist views, even if I don't agree with them......if they insist on trolling my every post I will poke them back....
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"Some people act like playground bullies to stop people having an alternative view to theirs....is it any wonder that you rarely get new faces posting on here?
I've looked back at some of the older posts on the politics forum....same faces trying to stifle debate if it differs from their own opinion.
Yes that's why I stopped posting sick of the remainers not accepting referendum vote.
Couldn't agree more . The whinging defeatist attitude of the remoaners has put a lot of people off from posting in here.
Ah bless...you even have a little name for the people who dare not to have the same view as you, what a boring world it would be of everyone agreed on everything.
It's called debate, a chance for people of differing views to debate matters, and I think you are mixing up 'defeatist' with 'concerned'.....much in the way that many in the Leave camp were 'concerned' at the way that EU was heading, 'concerned' at how much they thought our membership was costing us....and it was their right to be concerned if it troubled them.
What really tickles me is the use of the word 'control' by the Leave camp in the lead up to the referendum, how they thought we were being controlled by the EU, how EU control was threatening our sovereignty....yet here we are with several Leave voters on here attempting to 'control' the way others think, those that wanted to remain have every right to debate Brexit on here, as much right (and no more) than those that wanted to leave.
Perfect example of my previous post. Thanks
And a perfect example of how SOME people on here refuse to respect the views of someone who doesn't agree with their school of thought, you haven't got to agree with the way others think, you just need to respect their right to think differently than you....instead of coming up with childish names in an attempt to belittle their views.
Here are just a few quotes from some of your recent posts. This took me seconds to compile.
"Once again you reply to another of my posts with a bloody stupid attitude"
"What part of that don't YOU understand?"
"Once again you use bollocks to answer one of my posts, am I meant to be impressed that you own a firearm?"
"But don't let that fact stop you from following my posts around like a little Jack Russell."
"I think you know exactly what I meant, stop being so petty"
If you want to see a bully, mate - just look in a mirror.
If people have a different view than I on a matter I will debate with them, and I'll respect their views providing they are not racist views, even if I don't agree with them......if they insist on trolling my every post I will poke them back....
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None of those quotes were from people trolling your posts, they were reasoned responses from regular posters. You're a hypocrite and a bully. |
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"Some people act like playground bullies to stop people having an alternative view to theirs....is it any wonder that you rarely get new faces posting on here?
I've looked back at some of the older posts on the politics forum....same faces trying to stifle debate if it differs from their own opinion.
Yes that's why I stopped posting sick of the remainers not accepting referendum vote.
Couldn't agree more . The whinging defeatist attitude of the remoaners has put a lot of people off from posting in here.
Ah bless...you even have a little name for the people who dare not to have the same view as you, what a boring world it would be of everyone agreed on everything.
It's called debate, a chance for people of differing views to debate matters, and I think you are mixing up 'defeatist' with 'concerned'.....much in the way that many in the Leave camp were 'concerned' at the way that EU was heading, 'concerned' at how much they thought our membership was costing us....and it was their right to be concerned if it troubled them.
What really tickles me is the use of the word 'control' by the Leave camp in the lead up to the referendum, how they thought we were being controlled by the EU, how EU control was threatening our sovereignty....yet here we are with several Leave voters on here attempting to 'control' the way others think, those that wanted to remain have every right to debate Brexit on here, as much right (and no more) than those that wanted to leave.
Perfect example of my previous post. Thanks
And a perfect example of how SOME people on here refuse to respect the views of someone who doesn't agree with their school of thought, you haven't got to agree with the way others think, you just need to respect their right to think differently than you....instead of coming up with childish names in an attempt to belittle their views.
Here are just a few quotes from some of your recent posts. This took me seconds to compile.
"Once again you reply to another of my posts with a bloody stupid attitude"
"What part of that don't YOU understand?"
"Once again you use bollocks to answer one of my posts, am I meant to be impressed that you own a firearm?"
"But don't let that fact stop you from following my posts around like a little Jack Russell."
"I think you know exactly what I meant, stop being so petty"
If you want to see a bully, mate - just look in a mirror.
If people have a different view than I on a matter I will debate with them, and I'll respect their views providing they are not racist views, even if I don't agree with them......if they insist on trolling my every post I will poke them back....
None of those quotes were from people trolling your posts, they were reasoned responses from regular posters. You're a hypocrite and a bully."
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"Some people act like playground bullies to stop people having an alternative view to theirs....is it any wonder that you rarely get new faces posting on here?
I've looked back at some of the older posts on the politics forum....same faces trying to stifle debate if it differs from their own opinion.
Yes that's why I stopped posting sick of the remainers not accepting referendum vote.
Couldn't agree more . The whinging defeatist attitude of the remoaners has put a lot of people off from posting in here.
Ah bless...you even have a little name for the people who dare not to have the same view as you, what a boring world it would be of everyone agreed on everything.
It's called debate, a chance for people of differing views to debate matters, and I think you are mixing up 'defeatist' with 'concerned'.....much in the way that many in the Leave camp were 'concerned' at the way that EU was heading, 'concerned' at how much they thought our membership was costing us....and it was their right to be concerned if it troubled them.
What really tickles me is the use of the word 'control' by the Leave camp in the lead up to the referendum, how they thought we were being controlled by the EU, how EU control was threatening our sovereignty....yet here we are with several Leave voters on here attempting to 'control' the way others think, those that wanted to remain have every right to debate Brexit on here, as much right (and no more) than those that wanted to leave."
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"If people have a different view than I on a matter I will debate with them, and I'll respect their views providing they are not racist views, even if I don't agree with them......if they insist on trolling my every post I will poke them back....
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I suggest it's not actually possible to debate racist views as, to debate something, there needs to be an element of both sides of the argument actually being possible. Since racist (and any other bigotted) views have no basis in reason whatsoever you can't debate them. |
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"If people have a different view than I on a matter I will debate with them, and I'll respect their views providing they are not racist views, even if I don't agree with them......if they insist on trolling my every post I will poke them back....
I suggest it's not actually possible to debate racist views as, to debate something, there needs to be an element of both sides of the argument actually being possible. Since racist (and any other bigotted) views have no basis in reason whatsoever you can't debate them."
It's spelt bigoted
And you can be bigoted about anything so that is always open to debate |
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"Some people act like playground bullies to stop people having an alternative view to theirs....is it any wonder that you rarely get new faces posting on here?
I've looked back at some of the older posts on the politics forum....same faces trying to stifle debate if it differs from their own opinion.
Yes that's why I stopped posting sick of the remainers not accepting referendum vote.
Couldn't agree more . The whinging defeatist attitude of the remoaners has put a lot of people off from posting in here.
Ah bless...you even have a little name for the people who dare not to have the same view as you, what a boring world it would be of everyone agreed on everything.
It's called debate, a chance for people of differing views to debate matters, and I think you are mixing up 'defeatist' with 'concerned'.....much in the way that many in the Leave camp were 'concerned' at the way that EU was heading, 'concerned' at how much they thought our membership was costing us....and it was their right to be concerned if it troubled them.
What really tickles me is the use of the word 'control' by the Leave camp in the lead up to the referendum, how they thought we were being controlled by the EU, how EU control was threatening our sovereignty....yet here we are with several Leave voters on here attempting to 'control' the way others think, those that wanted to remain have every right to debate Brexit on here, as much right (and no more) than those that wanted to leave."
Yes you have but some of you have taken to being abusive and down right rude that's why I stopped posting and the fact that you can only debate the same subject for as long as it stays interesting. |
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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago
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"If people have a different view than I on a matter I will debate with them, and I'll respect their views providing they are not racist views, even if I don't agree with them......if they insist on trolling my every post I will poke them back....
I suggest it's not actually possible to debate racist views as, to debate something, there needs to be an element of both sides of the argument actually being possible. Since racist (and any other bigotted) views have no basis in reason whatsoever you can't debate them."
What is your definition of a racist or bigot ?. I have often found that those who consider themselves to be non racist and not bigoted are the most narrow minded people of all and are totally intolerant of other peoples opinions . |
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"If people have a different view than I on a matter I will debate with them, and I'll respect their views providing they are not racist views, even if I don't agree with them......if they insist on trolling my every post I will poke them back....
I suggest it's not actually possible to debate racist views as, to debate something, there needs to be an element of both sides of the argument actually being possible. Since racist (and any other bigotted) views have no basis in reason whatsoever you can't debate them. What is your definition of a racist or bigot ?. I have often found that those who consider themselves to be non racist and not bigoted are the most narrow minded people of all and are totally intolerant of other peoples opinions . "
Jeremy Corbyn Momentum followers are a prime example of this I think. |
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"If people have a different view than I on a matter I will debate with them, and I'll respect their views providing they are not racist views, even if I don't agree with them......if they insist on trolling my every post I will poke them back....
I suggest it's not actually possible to debate racist views as, to debate something, there needs to be an element of both sides of the argument actually being possible. Since racist (and any other bigotted) views have no basis in reason whatsoever you can't debate them. What is your definition of a racist or bigot ?. I have often found that those who consider themselves to be non racist and not bigoted are the most narrow minded people of all and are totally intolerant of other peoples opinions . "
Racist:
A person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
Bigot:
A person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
Both OED. |
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"If people have a different view than I on a matter I will debate with them, and I'll respect their views providing they are not racist views, even if I don't agree with them......if they insist on trolling my every post I will poke them back....
I suggest it's not actually possible to debate racist views as, to debate something, there needs to be an element of both sides of the argument actually being possible. Since racist (and any other bigotted) views have no basis in reason whatsoever you can't debate them. What is your definition of a racist or bigot ?. I have often found that those who consider themselves to be non racist and not bigoted are the most narrow minded people of all and are totally intolerant of other peoples opinions .
Racist:
A person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
Bigot:
A person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
Both OED."
Racist:
A word created by Leon Trotsky used to bash his openers with. Adopted by western liberals to alienate those who disagree with their immigration policies.
Bigot:
Should apply to anyone who tries to shut down debates, but is so lopsided that it is no longer a big deal to be called one.
As written by me right now |
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"If people have a different view than I on a matter I will debate with them, and I'll respect their views providing they are not racist views, even if I don't agree with them......if they insist on trolling my every post I will poke them back....
I suggest it's not actually possible to debate racist views as, to debate something, there needs to be an element of both sides of the argument actually being possible. Since racist (and any other bigotted) views have no basis in reason whatsoever you can't debate them. What is your definition of a racist or bigot ?. I have often found that those who consider themselves to be non racist and not bigoted are the most narrow minded people of all and are totally intolerant of other peoples opinions .
Racist:
A person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
Bigot:
A person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
Both OED.
Racist:
A word created by Leon Trotsky used to bash his *opponents with. Adopted by western liberals to alienate those who disagree with their immigration policies.
Bigot:
Should apply to anyone who tries to shut down debates, but is so lopsided that it is no longer a big deal to be called one.
As written by me right now "
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"If people have a different view than I on a matter I will debate with them, and I'll respect their views providing they are not racist views, even if I don't agree with them......if they insist on trolling my every post I will poke them back....
I suggest it's not actually possible to debate racist views as, to debate something, there needs to be an element of both sides of the argument actually being possible. Since racist (and any other bigotted) views have no basis in reason whatsoever you can't debate them. What is your definition of a racist or bigot ?. I have often found that those who consider themselves to be non racist and not bigoted are the most narrow minded people of all and are totally intolerant of other peoples opinions .
Racist:
A person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
Bigot:
A person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
Both OED.
Racist:
A word created by Leon Trotsky used to bash his openers with. Adopted by western liberals to alienate those who disagree with their immigration policies.
Bigot:
Should apply to anyone who tries to shut down debates, but is so lopsided that it is no longer a big deal to be called one.
As written by me right now "
I'll take your word on that, as Ive never personally delved into the history of racism |
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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago
Wisbech and A47 corridor |
With high costs of employing people in France it is hardly surprising that the UK economy is in a much better state than that of France .
The EU has proved to be a disaster for Italy with youth unemployment at 45 % and a national unemployment rate of 12 %.
Many in Italy look to Brexit with the hope that it will be the beginning of a new era, in which democracy wins out over bureaucracy and arrogance .    |
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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago
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"Help pls from some of you trade geeky types..
given that Clark the business sec of state has said they want tariff free trading for the car industry, is that an indicator of erring toward a 'soft Brexit' and if it were to be the case for just one industry how legal is that if the other sectors in the economy are not granted the same..?
no soft brexit just a tariff free one for all industries to benefit everyone. If the EU want 98% tariff free trade with a smaller economy like Canada why wouldn't they want the same or better with the UK?
That would have to include freedom of movement though.....which for many who voted to leave would defeat the purpose.
Free movement of people does not apply in the Canada deal though.
It only takes one member state to veto any UK-EU trade deal, and at least Six have publicly stated that free trade has to go hand in hand with freedom of movement, it would never be ratified within EU states.
Sorry, I can't see whether you answered my question about the drop in sterling and tariffs;
If we were able to do a trade deal ourselves with the US that was either tariff free or even say at 5%, then this would more than make up for the loss in sterling value? Prices of imported fruit could even drop?
Also, another question about the value of sterling and price increases -
When the value of sterling against the dollar rose by about 10% in 2013/14, why didn't suppliers and retailers drop their prices? Profiteering perhaps?
Actually wholesale prices in our sector do in fact go up AND down every year, depending on supplier prices, currency fluctuations, shipping costs, and more so in line with crop yields.
Regarding a free trade agreement with the US it is unlikely to include food stuffs as UK Food Agency regulations are so far apart from many current US
Food regulations which are far less strict in so many areas of their food production.
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With the significant fluctation in these prices , do you hedge your currency transactions or are you totally dependent on rates on the day. ? When customers place orders with you , is it at a fuxed rate or subject to the price variations on the world markets ? |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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Our prices to our customers, who are restaurants, cafe's, hotels etc. are at a fixed rate, we run a seasonal catalogue and we stick to those prices on a 'some we win some we lose' basis.
However.......on nuts and spices, and also on sun dried tomatoes from Florida, our prices are never published and are on demand, or POA.
That is because the fluctuation is sometimes so erratic it could cost us heavily.
On wines and fruit purées we run an annual price list as we purchase these up to two years in advance.
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"And I would suggest that if someone cannot debate with a racist then they are the bigot
How so?
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You answered it yourself, because they would be intolerant of another persons opinion. And how would you ever get a 'racist' to change if you shut down debate |
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"If people have a different view than I on a matter I will debate with them, and I'll respect their views providing they are not racist views, even if I don't agree with them......if they insist on trolling my every post I will poke them back....
I suggest it's not actually possible to debate racist views as, to debate something, there needs to be an element of both sides of the argument actually being possible. Since racist (and any other bigotted) views have no basis in reason whatsoever you can't debate them. What is your definition of a racist or bigot ?. I have often found that those who consider themselves to be non racist and not bigoted are the most narrow minded people of all and are totally intolerant of other peoples opinions .
Racist:
A person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
Bigot:
A person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
Both OED.
Racist:
A word created by Leon Trotsky used to bash his openers with. Adopted by western liberals to alienate those who disagree with their immigration policies.
Bigot:
Should apply to anyone who tries to shut down debates, but is so lopsided that it is no longer a big deal to be called one.
As written by me right now "
You could have a point on Racist there, after all aren't we all the same race, the human race |
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You could have a point on Racist there, after all aren't we all the same race, the human race "
Well that's where you're wrong cause paedophiles have more genes in common with crabs than they do with you and me |
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"Anyone know what's happening with unemployment in Spain atm?, the weekly updates aren't coming through lately"
its down to 18.91% for the 3rd quarter this year but that could just be down to record number of tourists over the summer |
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You could have a point on Racist there, after all aren't we all the same race, the human race
Well that's where you're wrong cause paedophiles have more genes in common with crabs than they do with you and me"
isn't that a bit crabist? |
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"Anyone know what's happening with unemployment in Spain atm?, the weekly updates aren't coming through lately
its down to 18.91% for the 3rd quarter this year but that could just be down to record number of tourists over the summer"
Historically? |
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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago
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'Racist' was a word created by Trotsky?
I'm calling bollox on that but even if he first used the word are you really trying to tell us racism did not exist before the early 20th century?
Really?
What are your motives for that I wonder? |
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"Some people act like playground bullies to stop people having an alternative view to theirs....is it any wonder that you rarely get new faces posting on here?
I've looked back at some of the older posts on the politics forum....same faces trying to stifle debate if it differs from their own opinion.
Yes that's why I stopped posting sick of the remainers not accepting referendum vote.
Couldn't agree more . The whinging defeatist attitude of the remoaners has put a lot of people off from posting in here.
Ah bless...you even have a little name for the people who dare not to have the same view as you, what a boring world it would be of everyone agreed on everything.
It's called debate, a chance for people of differing views to debate matters, and I think you are mixing up 'defeatist' with 'concerned'.....much in the way that many in the Leave camp were 'concerned' at the way that EU was heading, 'concerned' at how much they thought our membership was costing us....and it was their right to be concerned if it troubled them.
What really tickles me is the use of the word 'control' by the Leave camp in the lead up to the referendum, how they thought we were being controlled by the EU, how EU control was threatening our sovereignty....yet here we are with several Leave voters on here attempting to 'control' the way others think, those that wanted to remain have every right to debate Brexit on here, as much right (and no more) than those that wanted to leave.
Perfect example of my previous post. Thanks
And a perfect example of how SOME people on here refuse to respect the views of someone who doesn't agree with their school of thought, you haven't got to agree with the way others think, you just need to respect their right to think differently than you....instead of coming up with childish names in an attempt to belittle their views.
Here are just a few quotes from some of your recent posts. This took me seconds to compile.
"Once again you reply to another of my posts with a bloody stupid attitude"
"What part of that don't YOU understand?"
"Once again you use bollocks to answer one of my posts, am I meant to be impressed that you own a firearm?"
"But don't let that fact stop you from following my posts around like a little Jack Russell."
"I think you know exactly what I meant, stop being so petty"
If you want to see a bully, mate - just look in a mirror.
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"With high costs of employing people in France it is hardly surprising that the UK economy is in a much better state than that of France .
The EU has proved to be a disaster for Italy with youth unemployment at 45 % and a national unemployment rate of 12 %.
Many in Italy look to Brexit with the hope that it will be the beginning of a new era, in which democracy wins out over bureaucracy and arrogance . "
Whilst overs look to BREXIT with fear and despair that it is the beginning of a dark era, in which democracy and reason lose out to demagogy and ignorance. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"With high costs of employing people in France it is hardly surprising that the UK economy is in a much better state than that of France .
The EU has proved to be a disaster for Italy with youth unemployment at 45 % and a national unemployment rate of 12 %.
Many in Italy look to Brexit with the hope that it will be the beginning of a new era, in which democracy wins out over bureaucracy and arrogance .
Whilst overs look to BREXIT with fear and despair that it is the beginning of a dark era, in which democracy and reason lose out to demagogy and ignorance."
Well we had a vote that produced a result based on peoples feelings and reasoned thought processes,just because you disagree with that( which you are totally entitled too) doesnt make the result unvalid or the people who were on the winning side wrong |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"'Racist' was a word created by Trotsky?
I'm calling bollox on that but even if he first used the word are you really trying to tell us racism did not exist before the early 20th century?
Really?
What are your motives for that I wonder?"
It's an urban myth stoked up by the Far Right.... |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Our prices to our customers, who are restaurants, cafe's, hotels etc. are at a fixed rate, we run a seasonal catalogue and we stick to those prices on a 'some we win some we lose' basis.
However.......on nuts and spices, and also on sun dried tomatoes from Florida, our prices are never published and are on demand, or POA.
That is because the fluctuation is sometimes so erratic it could cost us heavily.
On wines and fruit purées we run an annual price list as we purchase these up to two years in advance.
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So price fluctuation has always been erratic? |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
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"Our prices to our customers, who are restaurants, cafe's, hotels etc. are at a fixed rate, we run a seasonal catalogue and we stick to those prices on a 'some we win some we lose' basis.
However.......on nuts and spices, and also on sun dried tomatoes from Florida, our prices are never published and are on demand, or POA.
That is because the fluctuation is sometimes so erratic it could cost us heavily.
On wines and fruit purées we run an annual price list as we purchase these up to two years in advance.
So price fluctuation has always been erratic?"
Not to this extent since we have been in business, the pound was a little too strong but this hasn't been an 'adjustment' it's been a sign of panic dumping. Certain product sectors can be erratic but that's because most of our nuts and spice imports come from the Indian continent which is always a minefield.
For importers it's Article 50 that is the do or die timeline, if there is a run on the pound it could prove very difficult for the economy, particularly for wholesalers and retailers, we can only keep our fingers crossed. |
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The title thread made me think. Remainers are described by themselves and Brexiters as Remainers (apart from some who are described as Remoaners for continually whining about the result but thats about as bad as it gets)
Brexiters are routinely described as -
Thick
ignorant
stupid
turkeys voting for xmas
traitors
seditious
perfidious
anti European
racists
bigots
xenophobes
jingoists
little Englanders
etc etc and are basically held in contempt.
Now some Remainers should consider this and think who the real bigots are. Then they might begin to understand why they lost the argument and the vote |
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"Help pls from some of you trade geeky types..
given that Clark the business sec of state has said they want tariff free trading for the car industry, is that an indicator of erring toward a 'soft Brexit' and if it were to be the case for just one industry how legal is that if the other sectors in the economy are not granted the same..?
no soft brexit just a tariff free one for all industries to benefit everyone. If the EU want 98% tariff free trade with a smaller economy like Canada why wouldn't they want the same or better with the UK?
That would have to include freedom of movement though.....which for many who voted to leave would defeat the purpose.
Free movement of people does not apply in the Canada deal though.
Neither do goods and services I.e. banking and a lot of other things too.
Of course it does
the deal with Canada doesn't cover services.
what does 'open up the services market' mean then? Or 'streamlining services'?"
not a lot if you read the words in the treaty. |
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