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"I think it is a fairly accurate generalisation to say that being a Swinger requires you to have liberal and tolerant views in order to engage in the very act of swinging. Does anyone else not notice the irony that there are a significant number of people on this forum who support political candidates that are the very antithesis of liberal and tolerant. Yes, I am talking about the support, bordering on hero worshiping of the white mans new best friends Nigel Farage, Donald Trump and others of their ilk. How does adopting the policies of aggressive, illiberal and intolerant politicians fit with enjoying a lifestyle that kicks such an attitude in the bollocks be its very nature? Alhough no one has probably ever asked Trump or Farage about swinging and Swingers clubs, I doubt that their christian fundamentals would approve bearing in mind their attitudes to the LGBT community and towards women generally." Couldn't agree more! I frequently wonder about this and have said as much in another thread recently. The same people also have been known to talk about a return the Christian values. Forgetting two key points, namely that swinging itself is very unchristian and also that two key Christian values are tolerance and forgiveness, both of which seen sadly lacking on here from time to time. | |||
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"I think it is a fairly accurate generalisation to say that being a Swinger requires you to have liberal and tolerant views in order to engage in the very act of swinging. Does anyone else not notice the irony that there are a significant number of people on this forum who support political candidates that are the very antithesis of liberal and tolerant. Yes, I am talking about the support, bordering on hero worshiping of the white mans new best friends Nigel Farage, Donald Trump and others of their ilk. How does adopting the policies of aggressive, illiberal and intolerant politicians fit with enjoying a lifestyle that kicks such an attitude in the bollocks be its very nature? Alhough no one has probably ever asked Trump or Farage about swinging and Swingers clubs, I doubt that their christian fundamentals would approve bearing in mind their attitudes to the LGBT community and towards women generally." I think you miss the point... I may not like their politics but I know that I would like and love to fuck Neil and Christine Hamilton. We would not agree politically but the conversations would be interesting and thought provoking and there would be much that we would share in common... And did I mention the sex... The sex would most lightly be... I wonder how many will understand where I am coming from? | |||
"I love the irony of those who claim to be liberal yet demonise others such as farage and those that voted leave as being racist,thick and misogyistic " FFS, barely anyone is actually labelling the entire groups of people who voted/support Brexit/Trump as racist, thick and misogynistic or whatever insults have been hurled forward from the internet. The fact is for the most part, Brexit and Trump were the result of some 30 years of politics which pandered to industry and banking and forgot to listen to huge swathes of the electorate and their concerns, then actually try to address them. Hence why in the past 5 years we have seen the centre left and right give ground up to the hard right and left - hence the popularity of Sanders, Corbyn, green groups, Trump, UKIP...The Freedom Party in The Netherlands. Anyone who listens to people and looks further than a headline knows that people who vote and support these people usually are just people desperate for change, so much so that they a willing to ignore some catastrophic policies and character traits, or the people/groups that fund said groups or individuals. I wont lie, the hard right and hard left - bordering on far right and left, have both brought out people who are racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobic. People who had previously only been able to voice their opinion in small groups, or on obscure internet forums or webpages or youtube channels. Seriously, you only have to youtube Brexit or Trump to find someone talk about economic globalism, then turn it into globalism as a code word for multi-race or cultural societies. Bam, before you know it the alt-right has redefined globalism from an economic term, into a coded term for cultural intolerance. To get back to your point, there is however a correlation between the original UKIP members and Trump's endorsers, in that they tend to be very conservative in traditional cultural or religious terms. Some bordering on taking inspiration from 15th-19th centurary Europe as the pinnacle of human achievement in their opinion. There's no irony is pointing out that people who enjoy and reap the benefits of being in a liberal,open mimded and tolerant society, in some cases, now put people who might put policies in place to tear away at some of these modern freedoms. P.s, you can be liberally minded, and criticise others for who they support given their ideals and beliefs and lifestyle. That is quite literally freedom of speech. Just as you have freedom to vote and support who you like. But if you voice said choice and opinions openly as a exercise of your freedoms, expect someone to use their freedoms of speech to criticise, just as you can criticise back. That is part of living in a western nation, and a benefit to all of us that we can freely debate issues, without the worry of intimidation or persecution from another group. | |||
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"His stated aim is to allow the market to decide which energy sources it will use, and to free up exploration, production and transportation from red tape. On the surface that would be positive for oil and natural gas output in the United States, perhaps less so for coal as it would struggle to compete with higher, and likely cheaper, natural gas output. Globally, this only becomes significant if the United States ramps up exports of crude oil, refined products and liquefied natural gas (LNG). Much more important for the global commodity outlook are Trump's policies on international trade. If he carries through his threats to impose tariff barriers on manufactured goods from China and any other country deemed to be acting against his "America first" policy, it will be negative for commodity demand. Hardest hit would likely be bulk commodities such as iron ore and coal, as well as industrial metals such as copper and aluminium. These commodities form the basis of many manufactured goods and their related transport systems, making them exposed to any contraction in global trade sparked by Trump's policies. It's also highly likely that if the United States does start to raise tariff barriers, trading partners will respond with barriers of their own, which would have a significant impact on the flow of goods and services, especially in the Pacific area time to crack open the oil wells" All interesting but how does this relate to a discussion about liberalism and a global political trend of stepping back to cultural/religious conservatism. | |||
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"I love the irony of those who claim to be liberal yet demonise others such as farage and those that voted leave as being racist,thick and misogyistic FFS, barely anyone is actually labelling the entire groups of people who voted/support Brexit/Trump as racist, thick and misogynistic or whatever insults have been hurled forward from the internet. The fact is for the most part, Brexit and Trump were the result of some 30 years of politics which pandered to industry and banking and forgot to listen to huge swathes of the electorate and their concerns, then actually try to address them. There's no irony is pointing out that people who enjoy and reap the benefits of being in a liberal,open mimded and tolerant society, in some cases, now put people who might put policies in place to tear away at some of these modern freedoms. P.s, you can be liberally minded, and criticise others for who they support given their ideals and beliefs and lifestyle. That is quite literally freedom of speech. Just as you have freedom to vote and support who you like. But if you voice said choice and opinions openly as a exercise of your freedoms, expect someone to use their freedoms of speech to criticise, just as you can criticise back. That is part of living in a western nation, and a benefit to all of us that we can freely debate issues, without the worry of intimidation or persecution from another group." You say "hardly" anyone so you are acknowledging that some here have labelled leave voters as above, You then say that 30 years of pandering to corporations and banking has left many behind,yet further down you say that its not surprising that those that have benefitted dont want things to change, . I have no problem with either point of view whether you want to leave or remain,like trump or clinton but I have not heard one person from the leave side or those that support trump say anyone from the other side is thick,racist or sexist yet as you have again claimed it is the remain/hilary side that claims to be the tolerant,open and welcoming side,did you see the trump supporter being beating up in one of the demos yesterday | |||
"Just because we are swingers doesn't mean we have to be lefty liberals. Swinging is about sex not politics. But we have this forum, those who can't handle it should go fuck. This nation is ours," pmsl.. you were saying that the NWO and a small cartel of super rich bankers were running the show a week or so ago.. is this you saying they've made you a corporate member..? | |||
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"I love the irony of those who claim to be liberal yet demonise others such as farage and those that voted leave as being racist,thick and misogyistic FFS, barely anyone is actually labelling the entire groups of people who voted/support Brexit/Trump as racist, thick and misogynistic or whatever insults have been hurled forward from the internet. The fact is for the most part, Brexit and Trump were the result of some 30 years of politics which pandered to industry and banking and forgot to listen to huge swathes of the electorate and their concerns, then actually try to address them. There's no irony is pointing out that people who enjoy and reap the benefits of being in a liberal,open mimded and tolerant society, in some cases, now put people who might put policies in place to tear away at some of these modern freedoms. P.s, you can be liberally minded, and criticise others for who they support given their ideals and beliefs and lifestyle. That is quite literally freedom of speech. Just as you have freedom to vote and support who you like. But if you voice said choice and opinions openly as a exercise of your freedoms, expect someone to use their freedoms of speech to criticise, just as you can criticise back. That is part of living in a western nation, and a benefit to all of us that we can freely debate issues, without the worry of intimidation or persecution from another group. You say "hardly" anyone so you are acknowledging that some here have labelled leave voters as above, You then say that 30 years of pandering to corporations and banking has left many behind,yet further down you say that its not surprising that those that have benefitted dont want things to change, . I have no problem with either point of view whether you want to leave or remain,like trump or clinton but I have not heard one person from the leave side or those that support trump say anyone from the other side is thick,racist or sexist yet as you have again claimed it is the remain/hilary side that claims to be the tolerant,open and welcoming side,did you see the trump supporter being beating up in one of the demos yesterday" Spot on!!! | |||
"I love the irony of those who claim to be liberal yet demonise others such as farage and those that voted leave as being racist,thick and misogyistic FFS, barely anyone is actually labelling the entire groups of people who voted/support Brexit/Trump as racist, thick and misogynistic or whatever insults have been hurled forward from the internet. The fact is for the most part, Brexit and Trump were the result of some 30 years of politics which pandered to industry and banking and forgot to listen to huge swathes of the electorate and their concerns, then actually try to address them. There's no irony is pointing out that people who enjoy and reap the benefits of being in a liberal,open mimded and tolerant society, in some cases, now put people who might put policies in place to tear away at some of these modern freedoms. P.s, you can be liberally minded, and criticise others for who they support given their ideals and beliefs and lifestyle. That is quite literally freedom of speech. Just as you have freedom to vote and support who you like. But if you voice said choice and opinions openly as a exercise of your freedoms, expect someone to use their freedoms of speech to criticise, just as you can criticise back. That is part of living in a western nation, and a benefit to all of us that we can freely debate issues, without the worry of intimidation or persecution from another group. You say "hardly" anyone so you are acknowledging that some here have labelled leave voters as above, You then say that 30 years of pandering to corporations and banking has left many behind,yet further down you say that its not surprising that those that have benefitted dont want things to change, . I have no problem with either point of view whether you want to leave or remain,like trump or clinton but I have not heard one person from the leave side or those that support trump say anyone from the other side is thick,racist or sexist yet as you have again claimed it is the remain/hilary side that claims to be the tolerant,open and welcoming side,did you see the trump supporter being beating up in one of the demos yesterday" Right okay, so point one. I say "hardly" because yes, some people on both sides of the discussions look at things in a very tunnel vision approach. E.g all brexiters are racist, all remoaners are undemocratic, all tories hate poor people, all labour voters hate success. That kind of bullshit. However, as I said further down there are people on both sides of each debate who are racist, or homophobic, or sexist, and said people deserve to called out for their shit, especially when they try to bullshit they way out of being accused. One the whole "its not surprising that those that have benefitted dont want things to change" I did't actually say that, not that I can see. Tbh most people want change, just different degrees of change and in different directions of policies. Unless you took my whole speal about how over the last 50ish years we've seen society become more tolerant and liberal, yet in Brexit, and Trump more so, people are supporting ideals, groups and individuals as well as policies which reverse this change...hence OP's post about how it is ironic that many people on this swinging site support these changes. In which case I do think that is surprising, at least confined to this site. And I'm sorry but to address your last point. Go to any pro-brexit forum or youtube page, talk about how remain had some good points or issues raised and you get condemned as a "traitor", "cultural Marxist", "pro-white genocide", "weak minded" or as a "cuck" or my favourite "part of the anti-white globalist movement". That is hardly welcoming. As for Trump. I'm sorry but black and muslims were regularly beaten up at his rallies. He "joked" about supporters of the second amendment sorting out Clinton. Whether it was a joke or not, it's hardly far fetched to see how someone might take that as an attempt at inciting violence against someone or people with opposite values to him and his supporters. | |||
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"I think it is a fairly accurate generalisation to say that being a Swinger requires you to have liberal and tolerant views in order to engage in the very act of swinging. Does anyone else not notice the irony that there are a significant number of people on this forum who support political candidates that are the very antithesis of liberal and tolerant. Yes, I am talking about the support, bordering on hero worshiping of the white mans new best friends Nigel Farage, Donald Trump and others of their ilk. How does adopting the policies of aggressive, illiberal and intolerant politicians fit with enjoying a lifestyle that kicks such an attitude in the bollocks be its very nature? Alhough no one has probably ever asked Trump or Farage about swinging and Swingers clubs, I doubt that their christian fundamentals would approve bearing in mind their attitudes to the LGBT community and towards women generally." The other side of the coin is that there is no explicable reason as to why swingers would be any more tolerant than those who attend church on a Sunday morning . If anything those attending church show the religious principles of being tolerant and compassionate , whereas those practising swinging it could be argued ate just fulfilling their own selfish needs . I cannot see any reasons as to why swingers should consider themselves to be any more tolerant than non swingers . These forums provide a clear illustration as to how narrow minded some swingers are . Referring to those who voted for Brexit or Trump as being stupid can hardly be the actions / thoughts of a tolerant individual . I do not think that Trump or Farage would have any strong feelings on swinging one way or the other . In any event people would only be interested in how he runs the economy , their views on a private activity such as swinging would be irrelevant . In real life , I have always found those who pride themselves on being liberal are generally the most narrow minded of people . Their liberal attitudes only stretch towards certain sections of society . | |||
"Hitler liked sex, Mussolinni liked sex, Ghandi liked sex, Martin Luther King liked sex, Nelson Mandela, Winston Churchill and on and on and on .....point is most people like sex. You don't have to be of a certain political persuasion or leaning to like and enjoy sex. "That is why this is an interesting post . I could not see the logic as to why swingers could be seen to be any more open minded that any other section of society . | |||
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"I think it is a fairly accurate generalisation to say that being a Swinger requires you to have liberal and tolerant views in order to engage in the very act of swinging. Does anyone else not notice the irony that there are a significant number of people on this forum who support political candidates that are the very antithesis of liberal and tolerant. Yes, I am talking about the support, bordering on hero worshiping of the white mans new best friends Nigel Farage, Donald Trump and others of their ilk. How does adopting the policies of aggressive, illiberal and intolerant politicians fit with enjoying a lifestyle that kicks such an attitude in the bollocks be its very nature? Alhough no one has probably ever asked Trump or Farage about swinging and Swingers clubs, I doubt that their christian fundamentals would approve bearing in mind their attitudes to the LGBT community and towards women generally. Couldn't agree more! I frequently wonder about this and have said as much in another thread recently. The same people also have been known to talk about a return the Christian values. Forgetting two key points, namely that swinging itself is very unchristian and also that two key Christian values are tolerance and forgiveness, both of which seen sadly lacking on here from time to time." I can see no reason as to why swinging is un Christian or for that matter anyone who has said that it is . Christians practice the values of tolerance and forgiveness . Maybe attend church and you will see this virtues in action by members of the congregation . | |||
"I think it is a fairly accurate generalisation to say that being a Swinger requires you to have liberal and tolerant views in order to engage in the very act of swinging. Does anyone else not notice the irony that there are a significant number of people on this forum who support political candidates that are the very antithesis of liberal and tolerant. Yes, I am talking about the support, bordering on hero worshiping of the white mans new best friends Nigel Farage, Donald Trump and others of their ilk. How does adopting the policies of aggressive, illiberal and intolerant politicians fit with enjoying a lifestyle that kicks such an attitude in the bollocks be its very nature? Alhough no one has probably ever asked Trump or Farage about swinging and Swingers clubs, I doubt that their christian fundamentals would approve bearing in mind their attitudes to the LGBT community and towards women generally. Couldn't agree more! I frequently wonder about this and have said as much in another thread recently. The same people also have been known to talk about a return the Christian values. Forgetting two key points, namely that swinging itself is very unchristian and also that two key Christian values are tolerance and forgiveness, both of which seen sadly lacking on here from time to time. I can see no reason as to why swinging is un Christian or for that matter anyone who has said that it is . Christians practice the values of tolerance and forgiveness . Maybe attend church and you will see this virtues in action by members of the congregation . " Surely swinging is adultery? Doesn't get much less christian than that! | |||
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"There is a huge difference between liking sex and swinging. In many ways this goes to the heart of a question that is often raised on Fab about the place of singles in swinging. Single guys having sex with single females (and vice versa) is perfectly normal in any society, but that is not really swinging. So let's talk about Swinging couples and all these guys that like the vanilla end of the scale - they like, indeed actively pursue bisexual women. What about fetish lovers, fully bisexual couples and MM & FF couples who also swing? These are ALL activities that would be deemed abhorrent by the current populist movements. The LBGT community in the United States is now under pressure, same sex marriage is under threat and these are equally policies that are derided by UKIP and Farage And yet these are activities that are part and parcel of the swinging scene." However I think his priority will be to rebuild the Anerican economy. As only a small section of society engage in swinging activities I cannot see him being too bothered. | |||
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"As only a small section of society engage in swinging activities I cannot see him being too bothered. " Really? You cant see 'deeply conservative'anti LBGT dog botherers publicly vilifying and targeting a tiny minority that they consider to be perverts? | |||
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"There is a huge difference between liking sex and swinging. In many ways this goes to the heart of a question that is often raised on Fab about the place of singles in swinging. Single guys having sex with single females (and vice versa) is perfectly normal in any society, but that is not really swinging. So let's talk about Swinging couples and all these guys that like the vanilla end of the scale - they like, indeed actively pursue bisexual women. What about fetish lovers, fully bisexual couples and MM & FF couples who also swing? These are ALL activities that would be deemed abhorrent by the current populist movements. The LBGT community in the United States is now under pressure, same sex marriage is under threat and these are equally policies that are derided by UKIP and Farage And yet these are activities that are part and parcel of the swinging scene." As a Ukip supporter and voter I just frankly don't recognise the picture you are trying to paint there with that post. Firstly i think singles are very much part of the swinging community and 2nd I certainly don't find any of those things you listed as abhorrent. There are many LBGT Ukip supporters. In fact lefty gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchel tried to ban the Ukip LGBT contingent from going to one of his events. Who is the intolerant one in that equation then? You say Ukip and Farage deride the activities you listed, well when it came out that a Ukip candidate used to be involved in the porn business, and a reporter asked Farage about it, Farage said, "why should that guys personal life come into it? What he does in his private life is upto him. Besides if he's having fun who cares? Life is about having fun!" You seem to have swallowed this media smear stereotype of Nigel Farage that he is some sort of uptight, Victorian times throw back. Nothing could be further from the truth, he celebrated the Brexit win by going skinny dipping in the sea with Aaron Banks, they lost their clothes on the beach and had to sneak back into the hotel naked, lol, it was reported by the media. Doesn't sound like the man you are painting him out to be on your post. | |||
"There is a huge difference between liking sex and swinging. In many ways this goes to the heart of a question that is often raised on Fab about the place of singles in swinging. Single guys having sex with single females (and vice versa) is perfectly normal in any society, but that is not really swinging. So let's talk about Swinging couples and all these guys that like the vanilla end of the scale - they like, indeed actively pursue bisexual women. What about fetish lovers, fully bisexual couples and MM & FF couples who also swing? These are ALL activities that would be deemed abhorrent by the current populist movements. The LBGT community in the United States is now under pressure, same sex marriage is under threat and these are equally policies that are derided by UKIP and Farage And yet these are activities that are part and parcel of the swinging scene. As a Ukip supporter and voter I just frankly don't recognise the picture you are trying to paint there with that post. Firstly i think singles are very much part of the swinging community and 2nd I certainly don't find any of those things you listed as abhorrent. There are many LBGT Ukip supporters. In fact lefty gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchel tried to ban the Ukip LGBT contingent from going to one of his events. Who is the intolerant one in that equation then? You say Ukip and Farage deride the activities you listed, well when it came out that a Ukip candidate used to be involved in the porn business, and a reporter asked Farage about it, Farage said, "why should that guys personal life come into it? What he does in his private life is upto him. Besides if he's having fun who cares? Life is about having fun!" You seem to have swallowed this media smear stereotype of Nigel Farage that he is some sort of uptight, Victorian times throw back. Nothing could be further from the truth, he celebrated the Brexit win by going skinny dipping in the sea with Aaron Banks, they lost their clothes on the beach and had to sneak back into the hotel naked, lol, it was reported by the media. Doesn't sound like the man you are painting him out to be on your post. " From my perspective it's not Farage I am worried about, he's so libertarian I imagine he'd just shrug and say "Don't do anything illegal and it's fine, your life is you life." It's some of the people who fall in with UKIP that worry me, those who will influence the future of the party. What I am more worried about is how america will go, many of the senators and possible judges to be promoted by trump are likely to be very anti-same sex relations ect. Possible it could influence ourselves and our continental friends. | |||
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"Just because we are swingers doesn't mean we have to be lefty liberals. Swinging is about sex not politics. But we have this forum, those who can't handle it should go fuck. This nation is ours, pmsl.. you were saying that the NWO and a small cartel of super rich bankers were running the show a week or so ago.. is this you saying they've made you a corporate member..?" That is a strange way of twisting my words. I'm a working class Englishman and of that I am not ashamed or in the slightest bit guilty. What I said is that to be a swinger one doesn't have to be lefty liberal. We have the facilities to chose who we do meet, or indeed do not. Some of us would rather meet nobody, some anyone and everyone. This should always be viewed as personal choice. I'm certain that there will be further division because we are airing our political views on here. There are many people I might have wanted to meet, but now wouldn't piss on if they were on fire, and I'm sure there are many who feel exactly the same about me. Honestly I don't give a fuck, in fact I have hidden my profile, and that is the way it will stay. I also let my subscription run out, and can't see myself bothering to renew. | |||
"Just because we are swingers doesn't mean we have to be lefty liberals. Swinging is about sex not politics. But we have this forum, those who can't handle it should go fuck. This nation is ours, pmsl.. you were saying that the NWO and a small cartel of super rich bankers were running the show a week or so ago.. is this you saying they've made you a corporate member..? That is a strange way of twisting my words. I'm a working class Englishman and of that I am not ashamed or in the slightest bit guilty. What I said is that to be a swinger one doesn't have to be lefty liberal. We have the facilities to chose who we do meet, or indeed do not. Some of us would rather meet nobody, some anyone and everyone. This should always be viewed as personal choice. I'm certain that there will be further division because we are airing our political views on here. There are many people I might have wanted to meet, but now wouldn't piss on if they were on fire, and I'm sure there are many who feel exactly the same about me. Honestly I don't give a fuck, in fact I have hidden my profile, and that is the way it will stay. I also let my subscription run out, and can't see myself bothering to renew. " my post was only referring to your last line.. given that you have several theories about the NWO etc running the shop when you say this 'nation is ours' do you mean us the citizens or whom? | |||
" The same people also have been known to talk about a return the Christian values. Forgetting two key points, namely that swinging itself is very unchristian and also that two key Christian values are tolerance and forgiveness, both of which seen sadly lacking on here from time to time. I can see no reason as to why swinging is un Christian or for that matter anyone who has said that it is . Christians practice the values of tolerance and forgiveness . Maybe attend church and you will see this virtues in action by members of the congregation . " Not sure that swinging will be a topic of conversation at many churches however if you want to talk about the values of tolerance and forgiveness that Christians have then you also need to address those within the Christian faith that use their belief as an excuse for murder and acts which have been deemed to be terrorism against abortion clinics.. such acts are not isolated and are certainly not an example of tolerance by any stretch of the imagination.. add in the views of people now in power like Mike Pence in the states and some of his attempted legislation in the past and its a worrying time for some.. | |||
" The same people also have been known to talk about a return the Christian values. Forgetting two key points, namely that swinging itself is very unchristian and also that two key Christian values are tolerance and forgiveness, both of which seen sadly lacking on here from time to time. I can see no reason as to why swinging is un Christian or for that matter anyone who has said that it is . Christians practice the values of tolerance and forgiveness . Maybe attend church and you will see this virtues in action by members of the congregation . Not sure that swinging will be a topic of conversation at many churches however if you want to talk about the values of tolerance and forgiveness that Christians have then you also need to address those within the Christian faith that use their belief as an excuse for murder and acts which have been deemed to be terrorism against abortion clinics.. such acts are not isolated and are certainly not an example of tolerance by any stretch of the imagination.. add in the views of people now in power like Mike Pence in the states and some of his attempted legislation in the past and its a worrying time for some.. " I do not think that anyone would discuss swinging in a church environment . There would be no need to as you go to church to worship, and anyone with common sense keeps their private life private . I know of no Christian that would use their faith to justify murder . This would negate all the good work carried out by the Church . It might be that the killings to which you refer are of a political nature and as such nothing to do with the Church . | |||
"I know of no Christian that would use their faith to justify murder . This would negate all the good work carried out by the Church . It might be that the killings to which you refer are of a political nature and as such nothing to do with the Church . " Really? How about the pro lifers in the USA who kill doctors for carrying out abortions and bomb family planning centres to stop contraception being made available to women? | |||
" The same people also have been known to talk about a return the Christian values. Forgetting two key points, namely that swinging itself is very unchristian and also that two key Christian values are tolerance and forgiveness, both of which seen sadly lacking on here from time to time. I can see no reason as to why swinging is un Christian or for that matter anyone who has said that it is . Christians practice the values of tolerance and forgiveness . Maybe attend church and you will see this virtues in action by members of the congregation . Not sure that swinging will be a topic of conversation at many churches however if you want to talk about the values of tolerance and forgiveness that Christians have then you also need to address those within the Christian faith that use their belief as an excuse for murder and acts which have been deemed to be terrorism against abortion clinics.. such acts are not isolated and are certainly not an example of tolerance by any stretch of the imagination.. add in the views of people now in power like Mike Pence in the states and some of his attempted legislation in the past and its a worrying time for some.. I do not think that anyone would discuss swinging in a church environment . There would be no need to as you go to church to worship, and anyone with common sense keeps their private life private . I know of no Christian that would use their faith to justify murder . This would negate all the good work carried out by the Church . It might be that the killings to which you refer are of a political nature and as such nothing to do with the Church . " Was saying you do know anyone who holds such views but the phrase 'Christian terrorism' is one that applies to those who do such acts.. and of course there is a lot of good done by all religions and consequently bad by some.. | |||
" Was not saying you do know anyone who holds such views but the phrase 'Christian terrorism' is one that applies to those who do such acts.. and of course there is a lot of good done by all religions and consequently bad by some.. " those that do such acts believe they are doing good and in accordance with what the bible says, they are in the minority yes but 12 people have been murdered by such people.. Not just IS who are radically extreme.. | |||
" Was not saying you do know anyone who holds such views but the phrase 'Christian terrorism' is one that applies to those who do such acts.. and of course there is a lot of good done by all religions and consequently bad by some.. those that do such acts believe they are doing good and in accordance with what the bible says, they are in the minority yes but 12 people have been murdered by such people.. Not just IS who are radically extreme.." That may well be the case, but IS are systematically killing people in the towns and cities they have taken over. It is not just about the beheading of western captives. They are killing other Muslims by the hundreds, maybe even thousands, there is no way of keeping a record of such murders. They are pushing gay people off of tall buildings, they are monsters. | |||
"That may well be the case, but IS are systematically killing people in the towns and cities they have taken over. It is not just about the beheading of western captives. They are killing other Muslims by the hundreds, maybe even thousands, there is no way of keeping a record of such murders. They are pushing gay people off of tall buildings, they are monsters." IS is not the first to do this and they will not be the last. Have a read of any of the histories of the last days of the Rich and the fall of Berlin. You will find alarming similarities between the conduct of IS and the SS. Which ever history you pick will doubtless draw parallels with an earlier age so you can continue to research if interested. You will find it is a depressingly common story, only the technology and scale of slaughter changes. | |||
"Paragons of tolerance, showing their intolerance, laughable "Brevity is the soul of wit. | |||
" Was not saying you do know anyone who holds such views but the phrase 'Christian terrorism' is one that applies to those who do such acts.. and of course there is a lot of good done by all religions and consequently bad by some.. those that do such acts believe they are doing good and in accordance with what the bible says, they are in the minority yes but 12 people have been murdered by such people.. Not just IS who are radically extreme.. That may well be the case, but IS are systematically killing people in the towns and cities they have taken over. It is not just about the beheading of western captives. They are killing other Muslims by the hundreds, maybe even thousands, there is no way of keeping a record of such murders. They are pushing gay people off of tall buildings, they are monsters." yes they are indeed.. its not about comparing one against the other, when your loved one has been murdered because they happen to work in a clinic or because someone in Mosul pointed a finger the loss is equally bad.. ironically when I said over 2 years ago on a thread about IS, ISIS or whatever they were then that the only way to sort their vile barbarism was to sadly put boots on the ground someone called me a far right idealist happy to sit on a pc and send their kids off to war.. | |||
" Was not saying you do know anyone who holds such views but the phrase 'Christian terrorism' is one that applies to those who do such acts.. and of course there is a lot of good done by all religions and consequently bad by some.. those that do such acts believe they are doing good and in accordance with what the bible says, they are in the minority yes but 12 people have been murdered by such people.. Not just IS who are radically extreme.. That may well be the case, but IS are systematically killing people in the towns and cities they have taken over. It is not just about the beheading of western captives. They are killing other Muslims by the hundreds, maybe even thousands, there is no way of keeping a record of such murders. They are pushing gay people off of tall buildings, they are monsters. yes they are indeed.. its not about comparing one against the other, when your loved one has been murdered because they happen to work in a clinic or because someone in Mosul pointed a finger the loss is equally bad.. ironically when I said over 2 years ago on a thread about IS, ISIS or whatever they were then that the only way to sort their vile barbarism was to sadly put boots on the ground someone called me a far right idealist happy to sit on a pc and send their kids off to war.. " I have been accused of similar on here many times, but it's water off a ducks back. I'm surprised that they even accused you though. I had you down as part of the liberal PC brigade. | |||
" Was not saying you do know anyone who holds such views but the phrase 'Christian terrorism' is one that applies to those who do such acts.. and of course there is a lot of good done by all religions and consequently bad by some.. those that do such acts believe they are doing good and in accordance with what the bible says, they are in the minority yes but 12 people have been murdered by such people.. Not just IS who are radically extreme.. That may well be the case, but IS are systematically killing people in the towns and cities they have taken over. It is not just about the beheading of western captives. They are killing other Muslims by the hundreds, maybe even thousands, there is no way of keeping a record of such murders. They are pushing gay people off of tall buildings, they are monsters. yes they are indeed.. its not about comparing one against the other, when your loved one has been murdered because they happen to work in a clinic or because someone in Mosul pointed a finger the loss is equally bad.. ironically when I said over 2 years ago on a thread about IS, ISIS or whatever they were then that the only way to sort their vile barbarism was to sadly put boots on the ground someone called me a far right idealist happy to sit on a pc and send their kids off to war.. I have been accused of similar on here many times, but it's water off a ducks back. I'm surprised that they even accused you though. I had you down as part of the liberal PC brigade." on some things I am and fine with it, on other things my views whilst they will never be of the right are centrist.. so many labels eh.. | |||
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"Isn't it nearly always the case of do as I say not as I do? Liberal views even on sex do not go with all swingers. Maybe peculiar but true if you read the forums." True, but that is because we are all individuals, and as in every other walk of life, we all have our own opinions on everything. Nothing wrong with that, and that is my opinion. Lol. | |||
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"I think it is a fairly accurate generalisation to say that being a Swinger requires you to have liberal and tolerant views in order to engage in the very act of swinging. Does anyone else not notice the irony that there are a significant number of people on this forum who support political candidates that are the very antithesis of liberal and tolerant. Yes, I am talking about the support, bordering on hero worshiping of the white mans new best friends Nigel Farage, Donald Trump and others of their ilk. How does adopting the policies of aggressive, illiberal and intolerant politicians fit with enjoying a lifestyle that kicks such an attitude in the bollocks be its very nature? Alhough no one has probably ever asked Trump or Farage about swinging and Swingers clubs, I doubt that their christian fundamentals would approve bearing in mind their attitudes to the LGBT community and towards women generally." You have written something far more erudite than I could have and I agree entirely. I am ValleysHorny and I endorse this message | |||
"Let it be known you're cheating and see what the swingers liberal tolerance is like" What about the bareback brigade? I often read posts where everyone has a pop at them. I'm just glad that they are honest about it, gives me the chance to avoid them. I'm not holier than thou, so I don't give them a hard time. | |||
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"With the bible, there is a big difference between swinging and sex, us singles just have sex, whilst married couples have it with others it is adultery." I believe that depending on the theology of the Christian faith a person follows, or how religiously conservative they are, 'just sex' with anyone is considered taboo or just as bad as adultery. I know that it's frowned upon in conservative Orthodox and Roman Catholic spheres. | |||
"With the bible, there is a big difference between swinging and sex, us singles just have sex, whilst married couples have it with others it is adultery. I believe that depending on the theology of the Christian faith a person follows, or how religiously conservative they are, 'just sex' with anyone is considered taboo or just as bad as adultery. I know that it's frowned upon in conservative Orthodox and Roman Catholic spheres." Shag stated earlier in another thread he'd had sex with married women! Its the same difference. The last time Shag brought 'The Big Book' into a discussion, I mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, he then went quiet. You either apply the whole of the doctrine to your life, or none of it. You can't pick and choose what suits you and what doesn't. | |||
"With the bible, there is a big difference between swinging and sex, us singles just have sex, whilst married couples have it with others it is adultery. I believe that depending on the theology of the Christian faith a person follows, or how religiously conservative they are, 'just sex' with anyone is considered taboo or just as bad as adultery. I know that it's frowned upon in conservative Orthodox and Roman Catholic spheres." That is right and yeah, it depends how religious some are as well. | |||
"With the bible, there is a big difference between swinging and sex, us singles just have sex, whilst married couples have it with others it is adultery. I believe that depending on the theology of the Christian faith a person follows, or how religiously conservative they are, 'just sex' with anyone is considered taboo or just as bad as adultery. I know that it's frowned upon in conservative Orthodox and Roman Catholic spheres. Shag stated earlier in another thread he'd had sex with married women! Its the same difference. The last time Shag brought 'The Big Book' into a discussion, I mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, he then went quiet. You either apply the whole of the doctrine to your life, or none of it. You can't pick and choose what suits you and what doesn't. " You would still be ok tho if you are single. | |||
"With the bible, there is a big difference between swinging and sex, us singles just have sex, whilst married couples have it with others it is adultery. I believe that depending on the theology of the Christian faith a person follows, or how religiously conservative they are, 'just sex' with anyone is considered taboo or just as bad as adultery. I know that it's frowned upon in conservative Orthodox and Roman Catholic spheres. Shag stated earlier in another thread he'd had sex with married women! Its the same difference. The last time Shag brought 'The Big Book' into a discussion, I mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, he then went quiet. You either apply the whole of the doctrine to your life, or none of it. You can't pick and choose what suits you and what doesn't. You would still be ok tho if you are single." No you wouldn't. You are facilitating adultery (if single having sex with someone who is married) and fornication (two singles). Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:18, “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” I don't apply Bible principles to my own life and, apart from correcting someone (can't think of a better term), would not ordinarily rely on the Bible to back up any arguments I may have. | |||
"With the bible, there is a big difference between swinging and sex, us singles just have sex, whilst married couples have it with others it is adultery. I believe that depending on the theology of the Christian faith a person follows, or how religiously conservative they are, 'just sex' with anyone is considered taboo or just as bad as adultery. I know that it's frowned upon in conservative Orthodox and Roman Catholic spheres. Shag stated earlier in another thread he'd had sex with married women! Its the same difference. The last time Shag brought 'The Big Book' into a discussion, I mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, he then went quiet. You either apply the whole of the doctrine to your life, or none of it. You can't pick and choose what suits you and what doesn't. You would still be ok tho if you are single. No you wouldn't. You are facilitating adultery (if single having sex with someone who is married) and fornication (two singles). Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:18, “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” I don't apply Bible principles to my own life and, apart from correcting someone (can't think of a better term), would not ordinarily rely on the Bible to back up any arguments I may have. " That is right, but there are also different levels of religiousness too. | |||
"With the bible, there is a big difference between swinging and sex, us singles just have sex, whilst married couples have it with others it is adultery. I believe that depending on the theology of the Christian faith a person follows, or how religiously conservative they are, 'just sex' with anyone is considered taboo or just as bad as adultery. I know that it's frowned upon in conservative Orthodox and Roman Catholic spheres. Shag stated earlier in another thread he'd had sex with married women! Its the same difference. The last time Shag brought 'The Big Book' into a discussion, I mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, he then went quiet. You either apply the whole of the doctrine to your life, or none of it. You can't pick and choose what suits you and what doesn't. You would still be ok tho if you are single. No you wouldn't. You are facilitating adultery (if single having sex with someone who is married) and fornication (two singles). Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:18, “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” I don't apply Bible principles to my own life and, apart from correcting someone (can't think of a better term), would not ordinarily rely on the Bible to back up any arguments I may have. That is right, but there are also different levels of religiousness too." Like some that dont believe, but still have christmas. | |||
"With the bible, there is a big difference between swinging and sex, us singles just have sex, whilst married couples have it with others it is adultery. I believe that depending on the theology of the Christian faith a person follows, or how religiously conservative they are, 'just sex' with anyone is considered taboo or just as bad as adultery. I know that it's frowned upon in conservative Orthodox and Roman Catholic spheres. Shag stated earlier in another thread he'd had sex with married women! Its the same difference. The last time Shag brought 'The Big Book' into a discussion, I mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, he then went quiet. You either apply the whole of the doctrine to your life, or none of it. You can't pick and choose what suits you and what doesn't. You would still be ok tho if you are single. No you wouldn't. You are facilitating adultery (if single having sex with someone who is married) and fornication (two singles). Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:18, “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” I don't apply Bible principles to my own life and, apart from correcting someone (can't think of a better term), would not ordinarily rely on the Bible to back up any arguments I may have. That is right, but there are also different levels of religiousness too." Might I ask which branch of Christianity you follow? Lutheran? (massive assumption, based on your nationality). If you have a lessened religious 'level', as you put it, you are doing what I said originally and picking and choosing. You honestly cannot have it both ways. | |||
"With the bible, there is a big difference between swinging and sex, us singles just have sex, whilst married couples have it with others it is adultery. I believe that depending on the theology of the Christian faith a person follows, or how religiously conservative they are, 'just sex' with anyone is considered taboo or just as bad as adultery. I know that it's frowned upon in conservative Orthodox and Roman Catholic spheres. Shag stated earlier in another thread he'd had sex with married women! Its the same difference. The last time Shag brought 'The Big Book' into a discussion, I mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, he then went quiet. You either apply the whole of the doctrine to your life, or none of it. You can't pick and choose what suits you and what doesn't. You would still be ok tho if you are single. No you wouldn't. You are facilitating adultery (if single having sex with someone who is married) and fornication (two singles). Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:18, “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” I don't apply Bible principles to my own life and, apart from correcting someone (can't think of a better term), would not ordinarily rely on the Bible to back up any arguments I may have. That is right, but there are also different levels of religiousness too. Might I ask which branch of Christianity you follow? Lutheran? (massive assumption, based on your nationality). If you have a lessened religious 'level', as you put it, you are doing what I said originally and picking and choosing. You honestly cannot have it both ways." Yes and same here. I dont apply it so much in my life either, but it is interesting. | |||
"With the bible, there is a big difference between swinging and sex, us singles just have sex, whilst married couples have it with others it is adultery. I believe that depending on the theology of the Christian faith a person follows, or how religiously conservative they are, 'just sex' with anyone is considered taboo or just as bad as adultery. I know that it's frowned upon in conservative Orthodox and Roman Catholic spheres. Shag stated earlier in another thread he'd had sex with married women! Its the same difference. The last time Shag brought 'The Big Book' into a discussion, I mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, he then went quiet. You either apply the whole of the doctrine to your life, or none of it. You can't pick and choose what suits you and what doesn't. You would still be ok tho if you are single. No you wouldn't. You are facilitating adultery (if single having sex with someone who is married) and fornication (two singles). Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:18, “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” I don't apply Bible principles to my own life and, apart from correcting someone (can't think of a better term), would not ordinarily rely on the Bible to back up any arguments I may have. That is right, but there are also different levels of religiousness too. Might I ask which branch of Christianity you follow? Lutheran? (massive assumption, based on your nationality). If you have a lessened religious 'level', as you put it, you are doing what I said originally and picking and choosing. You honestly cannot have it both ways.Yes and same here. I dont apply it so much in my life either, but it is interesting. " It is very interesting. I am conscious that you choose not to answer the points I've made, rather make a passive statement! I am sure you won't mind me saying this though, that sometimes, by mentioning the Bible, you come across as bigoted. Which I am hopeful that you are not. I think, unless living by the Bible entirely, in which case you'd not be on this site, its best to leave it out of discussions really. It might appear hypocritical. | |||
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"With the bible, there is a big difference between swinging and sex, us singles just have sex, whilst married couples have it with others it is adultery. I believe that depending on the theology of the Christian faith a person follows, or how religiously conservative they are, 'just sex' with anyone is considered taboo or just as bad as adultery. I know that it's frowned upon in conservative Orthodox and Roman Catholic spheres. Shag stated earlier in another thread he'd had sex with married women! Its the same difference. The last time Shag brought 'The Big Book' into a discussion, I mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, he then went quiet. You either apply the whole of the doctrine to your life, or none of it. You can't pick and choose what suits you and what doesn't. You would still be ok tho if you are single. No you wouldn't. You are facilitating adultery (if single having sex with someone who is married) and fornication (two singles). Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:18, “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” I don't apply Bible principles to my own life and, apart from correcting someone (can't think of a better term), would not ordinarily rely on the Bible to back up any arguments I may have. That is right, but there are also different levels of religiousness too. Might I ask which branch of Christianity you follow? Lutheran? (massive assumption, based on your nationality). If you have a lessened religious 'level', as you put it, you are doing what I said originally and picking and choosing. You honestly cannot have it both ways.Yes and same here. I dont apply it so much in my life either, but it is interesting. It is very interesting. I am conscious that you choose not to answer the points I've made, rather make a passive statement! I am sure you won't mind me saying this though, that sometimes, by mentioning the Bible, you come across as bigoted. Which I am hopeful that you are not. I think, unless living by the Bible entirely, in which case you'd not be on this site, its best to leave it out of discussions really. It might appear hypocritical. " I know and it is the same with politics if your view is different and no I am not there, it was just an observation. | |||
"With the bible, there is a big difference between swinging and sex, us singles just have sex, whilst married couples have it with others it is adultery. I believe that depending on the theology of the Christian faith a person follows, or how religiously conservative they are, 'just sex' with anyone is considered taboo or just as bad as adultery. I know that it's frowned upon in conservative Orthodox and Roman Catholic spheres. Shag stated earlier in another thread he'd had sex with married women! Its the same difference. The last time Shag brought 'The Big Book' into a discussion, I mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, he then went quiet. You either apply the whole of the doctrine to your life, or none of it. You can't pick and choose what suits you and what doesn't. You would still be ok tho if you are single. No you wouldn't. You are facilitating adultery (if single having sex with someone who is married) and fornication (two singles). Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:18, “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” I don't apply Bible principles to my own life and, apart from correcting someone (can't think of a better term), would not ordinarily rely on the Bible to back up any arguments I may have. That is right, but there are also different levels of religiousness too. Might I ask which branch of Christianity you follow? Lutheran? (massive assumption, based on your nationality). If you have a lessened religious 'level', as you put it, you are doing what I said originally and picking and choosing. You honestly cannot have it both ways.Yes and same here. I dont apply it so much in my life either, but it is interesting. It is very interesting. I am conscious that you choose not to answer the points I've made, rather make a passive statement! I am sure you won't mind me saying this though, that sometimes, by mentioning the Bible, you come across as bigoted. Which I am hopeful that you are not. I think, unless living by the Bible entirely, in which case you'd not be on this site, its best to leave it out of discussions really. It might appear hypocritical. " It might just be best to accept the the UK is a Christian Country and practising Christian beliefs is the basis of our society. It is rather pointless quoting one a few lines in isolation from the Bible as it is meaningless. If the Bible were to be updated it would be reflect tbe values of modern day society. Most people regarless of the bible are against cheating . ? It is interesting to note that you mention the word bigot. It is usually the anti church brigdade thar I have found to be the most bigotted individuals of all. Providing you keep your private life just that the church would have no interst in it. Anyone with common sense would do that anyway. | |||
"With the bible, there is a big difference between swinging and sex, us singles just have sex, whilst married couples have it with others it is adultery. I believe that depending on the theology of the Christian faith a person follows, or how religiously conservative they are, 'just sex' with anyone is considered taboo or just as bad as adultery. I know that it's frowned upon in conservative Orthodox and Roman Catholic spheres. Shag stated earlier in another thread he'd had sex with married women! Its the same difference. The last time Shag brought 'The Big Book' into a discussion, I mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, he then went quiet. You either apply the whole of the doctrine to your life, or none of it. You can't pick and choose what suits you and what doesn't. You would still be ok tho if you are single. No you wouldn't. You are facilitating adultery (if single having sex with someone who is married) and fornication (two singles). Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:18, “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” I don't apply Bible principles to my own life and, apart from correcting someone (can't think of a better term), would not ordinarily rely on the Bible to back up any arguments I may have. That is right, but there are also different levels of religiousness too. Might I ask which branch of Christianity you follow? Lutheran? (massive assumption, based on your nationality). If you have a lessened religious 'level', as you put it, you are doing what I said originally and picking and choosing. You honestly cannot have it both ways.Yes and same here. I dont apply it so much in my life either, but it is interesting. It is very interesting. I am conscious that you choose not to answer the points I've made, rather make a passive statement! I am sure you won't mind me saying this though, that sometimes, by mentioning the Bible, you come across as bigoted. Which I am hopeful that you are not. I think, unless living by the Bible entirely, in which case you'd not be on this site, its best to leave it out of discussions really. It might appear hypocritical. It might just be best to accept the the UK is a Christian Country and practising Christian beliefs is the basis of our society. It is rather pointless quoting one a few lines in isolation from the Bible as it is meaningless. If the Bible were to be updated it would be reflect tbe values of modern day society. Most people regarless of the bible are against cheating . ? It is interesting to note that you mention the word bigot. It is usually the anti church brigdade thar I have found to be the most bigotted individuals of all. Providing you keep your private life just that the church would have no interst in it. Anyone with common sense would do that anyway."  | |||
"I love the irony of those who claim to be liberal yet demonise others such as farage and those that voted leave as being racist,thick and misogyistic " | |||
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"I love the irony of those who claim to be liberal yet demonise others such as farage and those that voted leave as being racist,thick and misogyistic " | |||
"With the bible, there is a big difference between swinging and sex, us singles just have sex, whilst married couples have it with others it is adultery. I believe that depending on the theology of the Christian faith a person follows, or how religiously conservative they are, 'just sex' with anyone is considered taboo or just as bad as adultery. I know that it's frowned upon in conservative Orthodox and Roman Catholic spheres. Shag stated earlier in another thread he'd had sex with married women! Its the same difference. The last time Shag brought 'The Big Book' into a discussion, I mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, he then went quiet. You either apply the whole of the doctrine to your life, or none of it. You can't pick and choose what suits you and what doesn't. You would still be ok tho if you are single. No you wouldn't. You are facilitating adultery (if single having sex with someone who is married) and fornication (two singles). Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:18, “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” I don't apply Bible principles to my own life and, apart from correcting someone (can't think of a better term), would not ordinarily rely on the Bible to back up any arguments I may have. That is right, but there are also different levels of religiousness too. Might I ask which branch of Christianity you follow? Lutheran? (massive assumption, based on your nationality). If you have a lessened religious 'level', as you put it, you are doing what I said originally and picking and choosing. You honestly cannot have it both ways.Yes and same here. I dont apply it so much in my life either, but it is interesting. It is very interesting. I am conscious that you choose not to answer the points I've made, rather make a passive statement! I am sure you won't mind me saying this though, that sometimes, by mentioning the Bible, you come across as bigoted. Which I am hopeful that you are not. I think, unless living by the Bible entirely, in which case you'd not be on this site, its best to leave it out of discussions really. It might appear hypocritical. It might just be best to accept the the UK is a Christian Country and practising Christian beliefs is the basis of our society. It is rather pointless quoting one a few lines in isolation from the Bible as it is meaningless. If the Bible were to be updated it would be reflect tbe values of modern day society. Most people regarless of the bible are against cheating . ? It is interesting to note that you mention the word bigot. It is usually the anti church brigdade thar I have found to be the most bigotted individuals of all. Providing you keep your private life just that the church would have no interst in it. Anyone with common sense would do that anyway." I am in no way part of the anti-church brigade, far from it. I consider myself to be a Christian, albeit one who doesn't apply Biblical doctrine to my life, as stated. The Biblical quote, regardless of it being in isolation, is of relevance to the case in point. The reason I posted it, is because on many occasions, the person I was having a discussion with (Shag Tonight) tends to bring the Bible/Christianity into arguments, then doesn't really manage to get his point across succinctly. Hence my contention that it is best to leave it out of such posts. Either live by it or don't. As for the argument about the stance of the Bible and if it were to be updated, the point is that it can't be. It is what it is. It can't be used to suit certain opinions and ignored at other times. | |||
"With the bible, there is a big difference between swinging and sex, us singles just have sex, whilst married couples have it with others it is adultery. I believe that depending on the theology of the Christian faith a person follows, or how religiously conservative they are, 'just sex' with anyone is considered taboo or just as bad as adultery. I know that it's frowned upon in conservative Orthodox and Roman Catholic spheres. Shag stated earlier in another thread he'd had sex with married women! Its the same difference. The last time Shag brought 'The Big Book' into a discussion, I mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, he then went quiet. You either apply the whole of the doctrine to your life, or none of it. You can't pick and choose what suits you and what doesn't. You would still be ok tho if you are single. No you wouldn't. You are facilitating adultery (if single having sex with someone who is married) and fornication (two singles). Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:18, “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” I don't apply Bible principles to my own life and, apart from correcting someone (can't think of a better term), would not ordinarily rely on the Bible to back up any arguments I may have. That is right, but there are also different levels of religiousness too. Might I ask which branch of Christianity you follow? Lutheran? (massive assumption, based on your nationality). If you have a lessened religious 'level', as you put it, you are doing what I said originally and picking and choosing. You honestly cannot have it both ways.Yes and same here. I dont apply it so much in my life either, but it is interesting. It is very interesting. I am conscious that you choose not to answer the points I've made, rather make a passive statement! I am sure you won't mind me saying this though, that sometimes, by mentioning the Bible, you come across as bigoted. Which I am hopeful that you are not. I think, unless living by the Bible entirely, in which case you'd not be on this site, its best to leave it out of discussions really. It might appear hypocritical. It might just be best to accept the the UK is a Christian Country and practising Christian beliefs is the basis of our society. It is rather pointless quoting one a few lines in isolation from the Bible as it is meaningless. If the Bible were to be updated it would be reflect tbe values of modern day society. Most people regarless of the bible are against cheating . ? It is interesting to note that you mention the word bigot. It is usually the anti church brigdade thar I have found to be the most bigotted individuals of all. Providing you keep your private life just that the church would have no interst in it. Anyone with common sense would do that anyway. I am in no way part of the anti-church brigade, far from it. I consider myself to be a Christian, albeit one who doesn't apply Biblical doctrine to my life, as stated. The Biblical quote, regardless of it being in isolation, is of relevance to the case in point. The reason I posted it, is because on many occasions, the person I was having a discussion with (Shag Tonight) tends to bring the Bible/Christianity into arguments, then doesn't really manage to get his point across succinctly. Hence my contention that it is best to leave it out of such posts. Either live by it or don't. As for the argument about the stance of the Bible and if it were to be updated, the point is that it can't be. It is what it is. It can't be used to suit certain opinions and ignored at other times. " Also, I didn't mention the church. So your last line about the church not being interested in someone's private life is irrelevant. I was discussing Biblical teaching, nothing more. | |||
"With the bible, there is a big difference between swinging and sex, us singles just have sex, whilst married couples have it with others it is adultery. I believe that depending on the theology of the Christian faith a person follows, or how religiously conservative they are, 'just sex' with anyone is considered taboo or just as bad as adultery. I know that it's frowned upon in conservative Orthodox and Roman Catholic spheres. Shag stated earlier in another thread he'd had sex with married women! Its the same difference. The last time Shag brought 'The Big Book' into a discussion, I mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, he then went quiet. You either apply the whole of the doctrine to your life, or none of it. You can't pick and choose what suits you and what doesn't. You would still be ok tho if you are single. No you wouldn't. You are facilitating adultery (if single having sex with someone who is married) and fornication (two singles). Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:18, “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” I don't apply Bible principles to my own life and, apart from correcting someone (can't think of a better term), would not ordinarily rely on the Bible to back up any arguments I may have. That is right, but there are also different levels of religiousness too. Might I ask which branch of Christianity you follow? Lutheran? (massive assumption, based on your nationality). If you have a lessened religious 'level', as you put it, you are doing what I said originally and picking and choosing. You honestly cannot have it both ways.Yes and same here. I dont apply it so much in my life either, but it is interesting. It is very interesting. I am conscious that you choose not to answer the points I've made, rather make a passive statement! I am sure you won't mind me saying this though, that sometimes, by mentioning the Bible, you come across as bigoted. Which I am hopeful that you are not. I think, unless living by the Bible entirely, in which case you'd not be on this site, its best to leave it out of discussions really. It might appear hypocritical. It might just be best to accept the the UK is a Christian Country and practising Christian beliefs is the basis of our society. It is rather pointless quoting one a few lines in isolation from the Bible as it is meaningless. If the Bible were to be updated it would be reflect tbe values of modern day society. Most people regarless of the bible are against cheating . ? It is interesting to note that you mention the word bigot. It is usually the anti church brigdade thar I have found to be the most bigotted individuals of all. Providing you keep your private life just that the church would have no interst in it. Anyone with common sense would do that anyway. I am in no way part of the anti-church brigade, far from it. I consider myself to be a Christian, albeit one who doesn't apply Biblical doctrine to my life, as stated. The Biblical quote, regardless of it being in isolation, is of relevance to the case in point. The reason I posted it, is because on many occasions, the person I was having a discussion with (Shag Tonight) tends to bring the Bible/Christianity into arguments, then doesn't really manage to get his point across succinctly. Hence my contention that it is best to leave it out of such posts. Either live by it or don't. As for the argument about the stance of the Bible and if it were to be updated, the point is that it can't be. It is what it is. It can't be used to suit certain opinions and ignored at other times. " You migbt think that the bible cannot be updated . There is no reason as to why it could not be updated to reflect modern times . What was applicable 2000 years ago may not be applicable now . If you join a political party or vote in an election , you vote on the overall package . I do not think that everyone would agrèe in its entirety with every single point on a manifesto. | |||
"With the bible, there is a big difference between swinging and sex, us singles just have sex, whilst married couples have it with others it is adultery. I believe that depending on the theology of the Christian faith a person follows, or how religiously conservative they are, 'just sex' with anyone is considered taboo or just as bad as adultery. I know that it's frowned upon in conservative Orthodox and Roman Catholic spheres. Shag stated earlier in another thread he'd had sex with married women! Its the same difference. The last time Shag brought 'The Big Book' into a discussion, I mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, he then went quiet. You either apply the whole of the doctrine to your life, or none of it. You can't pick and choose what suits you and what doesn't. You would still be ok tho if you are single. No you wouldn't. You are facilitating adultery (if single having sex with someone who is married) and fornication (two singles). Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:18, “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” I don't apply Bible principles to my own life and, apart from correcting someone (can't think of a better term), would not ordinarily rely on the Bible to back up any arguments I may have. That is right, but there are also different levels of religiousness too. Might I ask which branch of Christianity you follow? Lutheran? (massive assumption, based on your nationality). If you have a lessened religious 'level', as you put it, you are doing what I said originally and picking and choosing. You honestly cannot have it both ways.Yes and same here. I dont apply it so much in my life either, but it is interesting. It is very interesting. I am conscious that you choose not to answer the points I've made, rather make a passive statement! I am sure you won't mind me saying this though, that sometimes, by mentioning the Bible, you come across as bigoted. Which I am hopeful that you are not. I think, unless living by the Bible entirely, in which case you'd not be on this site, its best to leave it out of discussions really. It might appear hypocritical. It might just be best to accept the the UK is a Christian Country and practising Christian beliefs is the basis of our society. It is rather pointless quoting one a few lines in isolation from the Bible as it is meaningless. If the Bible were to be updated it would be reflect tbe values of modern day society. Most people regarless of the bible are against cheating . ? It is interesting to note that you mention the word bigot. It is usually the anti church brigdade thar I have found to be the most bigotted individuals of all. Providing you keep your private life just that the church would have no interst in it. Anyone with common sense would do that anyway. I am in no way part of the anti-church brigade, far from it. I consider myself to be a Christian, albeit one who doesn't apply Biblical doctrine to my life, as stated. The Biblical quote, regardless of it being in isolation, is of relevance to the case in point. The reason I posted it, is because on many occasions, the person I was having a discussion with (Shag Tonight) tends to bring the Bible/Christianity into arguments, then doesn't really manage to get his point across succinctly. Hence my contention that it is best to leave it out of such posts. Either live by it or don't. As for the argument about the stance of the Bible and if it were to be updated, the point is that it can't be. It is what it is. It can't be used to suit certain opinions and ignored at other times. Also, I didn't mention the church. So your last line about the church not being interested in someone's private life is irrelevant. I was discussing Biblical teaching, nothing more. " As a broad correlation there would however be a link betwèen the Bible and the Church . I fail to see how anyone could claim otherwise . | |||
"With the bible, there is a big difference between swinging and sex, us singles just have sex, whilst married couples have it with others it is adultery. I believe that depending on the theology of the Christian faith a person follows, or how religiously conservative they are, 'just sex' with anyone is considered taboo or just as bad as adultery. I know that it's frowned upon in conservative Orthodox and Roman Catholic spheres. Shag stated earlier in another thread he'd had sex with married women! Its the same difference. The last time Shag brought 'The Big Book' into a discussion, I mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, he then went quiet. You either apply the whole of the doctrine to your life, or none of it. You can't pick and choose what suits you and what doesn't. You would still be ok tho if you are single. No you wouldn't. You are facilitating adultery (if single having sex with someone who is married) and fornication (two singles). Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:18, “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” I don't apply Bible principles to my own life and, apart from correcting someone (can't think of a better term), would not ordinarily rely on the Bible to back up any arguments I may have. That is right, but there are also different levels of religiousness too. Might I ask which branch of Christianity you follow? Lutheran? (massive assumption, based on your nationality). If you have a lessened religious 'level', as you put it, you are doing what I said originally and picking and choosing. You honestly cannot have it both ways.Yes and same here. I dont apply it so much in my life either, but it is interesting. It is very interesting. I am conscious that you choose not to answer the points I've made, rather make a passive statement! I am sure you won't mind me saying this though, that sometimes, by mentioning the Bible, you come across as bigoted. Which I am hopeful that you are not. I think, unless living by the Bible entirely, in which case you'd not be on this site, its best to leave it out of discussions really. It might appear hypocritical. It might just be best to accept the the UK is a Christian Country and practising Christian beliefs is the basis of our society. It is rather pointless quoting one a few lines in isolation from the Bible as it is meaningless. If the Bible were to be updated it would be reflect tbe values of modern day society. Most people regarless of the bible are against cheating . ? It is interesting to note that you mention the word bigot. It is usually the anti church brigdade thar I have found to be the most bigotted individuals of all. Providing you keep your private life just that the church would have no interst in it. Anyone with common sense would do that anyway. I am in no way part of the anti-church brigade, far from it. I consider myself to be a Christian, albeit one who doesn't apply Biblical doctrine to my life, as stated. The Biblical quote, regardless of it being in isolation, is of relevance to the case in point. The reason I posted it, is because on many occasions, the person I was having a discussion with (Shag Tonight) tends to bring the Bible/Christianity into arguments, then doesn't really manage to get his point across succinctly. Hence my contention that it is best to leave it out of such posts. Either live by it or don't. As for the argument about the stance of the Bible and if it were to be updated, the point is that it can't be. It is what it is. It can't be used to suit certain opinions and ignored at other times. Also, I didn't mention the church. So your last line about the church not being interested in someone's private life is irrelevant. I was discussing Biblical teaching, nothing more. As a broad correlation there would however be a link betwèen the Bible and the Church . I fail to see how anyone could claim otherwise . " Pedantic answer. I didn't say that, did I? I wasn't the one acting all holier than though about swinging and adultery in the first place! Not sure why your having a go if I am honest? | |||
"With the bible, there is a big difference between swinging and sex, us singles just have sex, whilst married couples have it with others it is adultery. I believe that depending on the theology of the Christian faith a person follows, or how religiously conservative they are, 'just sex' with anyone is considered taboo or just as bad as adultery. I know that it's frowned upon in conservative Orthodox and Roman Catholic spheres. Shag stated earlier in another thread he'd had sex with married women! Its the same difference. The last time Shag brought 'The Big Book' into a discussion, I mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, he then went quiet. You either apply the whole of the doctrine to your life, or none of it. You can't pick and choose what suits you and what doesn't. You would still be ok tho if you are single. No you wouldn't. You are facilitating adultery (if single having sex with someone who is married) and fornication (two singles). Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:18, “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” I don't apply Bible principles to my own life and, apart from correcting someone (can't think of a better term), would not ordinarily rely on the Bible to back up any arguments I may have. That is right, but there are also different levels of religiousness too. Might I ask which branch of Christianity you follow? Lutheran? (massive assumption, based on your nationality). If you have a lessened religious 'level', as you put it, you are doing what I said originally and picking and choosing. You honestly cannot have it both ways.Yes and same here. I dont apply it so much in my life either, but it is interesting. It is very interesting. I am conscious that you choose not to answer the points I've made, rather make a passive statement! I am sure you won't mind me saying this though, that sometimes, by mentioning the Bible, you come across as bigoted. Which I am hopeful that you are not. I think, unless living by the Bible entirely, in which case you'd not be on this site, its best to leave it out of discussions really. It might appear hypocritical. It might just be best to accept the the UK is a Christian Country and practising Christian beliefs is the basis of our society. It is rather pointless quoting one a few lines in isolation from the Bible as it is meaningless. If the Bible were to be updated it would be reflect tbe values of modern day society. Most people regarless of the bible are against cheating . ? It is interesting to note that you mention the word bigot. It is usually the anti church brigdade thar I have found to be the most bigotted individuals of all. Providing you keep your private life just that the church would have no interst in it. Anyone with common sense would do that anyway. I am in no way part of the anti-church brigade, far from it. I consider myself to be a Christian, albeit one who doesn't apply Biblical doctrine to my life, as stated. The Biblical quote, regardless of it being in isolation, is of relevance to the case in point. The reason I posted it, is because on many occasions, the person I was having a discussion with (Shag Tonight) tends to bring the Bible/Christianity into arguments, then doesn't really manage to get his point across succinctly. Hence my contention that it is best to leave it out of such posts. Either live by it or don't. As for the argument about the stance of the Bible and if it were to be updated, the point is that it can't be. It is what it is. It can't be used to suit certain opinions and ignored at other times. You migbt think that the bible cannot be updated . There is no reason as to why it could not be updated to reflect modern times . What was applicable 2000 years ago may not be applicable now . If you join a political party or vote in an election , you vote on the overall package . I do not think that everyone would agrèe in its entirety with every single point on a manifesto. " You are talking nonsense. You cannot rewrite the Bible. | |||
