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"Our children are being taught to believe that white straight working class men are a lower life form, something to use as an example of what not to be like when they grow up. " Some white straight working class men earn a good annual six figure sum ££ and we are surrounded by what we consider good workmates and friends who will "watch each others backs" Making a living as a white working class man has done me well | |||
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"Our children are being taught to believe that white straight working class men are a lower life form, something to use as an example of what not to be like when they grow up. Some white straight working class men earn a good annual six figure sum ££ and we are surrounded by what we consider good workmates and friends who will "watch each others backs" Making a living as a white working class man has done me well " I think that my opinion of who is working class is somewhat different to yours. Seriously... Some of us are doing menial jobs on zero hour contracts for the minimum wage. Some are doing tough, even dangerous manual jobs. Some of us are stuck behind a counter all day. These jobs have to be done, so someone has to do them. I have even heard myself being described as "poor white trash," No point making a complaint, nobody would listen. That is the reality of how many working class people are treated, and how they are looked upon by the so called liberal elite. | |||
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"Our children are being taught to believe that white straight working class men are a lower life form, something to use as an example of what not to be like when they grow up. Some white straight working class men earn a good annual six figure sum ££ and we are surrounded by what we consider good workmates and friends who will "watch each others backs" Making a living as a white working class man has done me well I think that my opinion of who is working class is somewhat different to yours. Seriously... Some of us are doing menial jobs on zero hour contracts for the minimum wage. Some are doing tough, even dangerous manual jobs. Some of us are stuck behind a counter all day. These jobs have to be done, so someone has to do them. I have even heard myself being described as "poor white trash," No point making a complaint, nobody would listen. That is the reality of how many working class people are treated, and how they are looked upon by the so called liberal elite." Whilst you are doing these jobs you describe, you have the full back up of all emergency services why will rush in and attend to your medical needs should something go wrong On an oilrig you do not have this back up support, we relay on each other as back up fire teams, first aiders & rescue, we cannot just back off if we have an explosion or blow out, we cant stand clear and dial 999 And we have to take care of all jobs, if a "shit" pipe blocks up or sewage tank blockage, we cant just call a plumber, we have to get in and dig the shit out 12 hour shifts then a further 4 hours overtime, you finally drag yourself to bed and get wakened by muster alarm due to gas leak or more often a faulty fire & gas detection yeh, your right, we have it easy | |||
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"Our children are being taught to believe that white straight working class men are a lower life form, something to use as an example of what not to be like when they grow up. Some white straight working class men earn a good annual six figure sum ££ and we are surrounded by what we consider good workmates and friends who will "watch each others backs" Making a living as a white working class man has done me well I think that my opinion of who is working class is somewhat different to yours. Seriously... Some of us are doing menial jobs on zero hour contracts for the minimum wage. Some are doing tough, even dangerous manual jobs. Some of us are stuck behind a counter all day. These jobs have to be done, so someone has to do them. I have even heard myself being described as "poor white trash," No point making a complaint, nobody would listen. That is the reality of how many working class people are treated, and how they are looked upon by the so called liberal elite. Whilst you are doing these jobs you describe, you have the full back up of all emergency services why will rush in and attend to your medical needs should something go wrong On an oilrig you do not have this back up support, we relay on each other as back up fire teams, first aiders & rescue, we cannot just back off if we have an explosion or blow out, we cant stand clear and dial 999 And we have to take care of all jobs, if a "shit" pipe blocks up or sewage tank blockage, we cant just call a plumber, we have to get in and dig the shit out 12 hour shifts then a further 4 hours overtime, you finally drag yourself to bed and get wakened by muster alarm due to gas leak or more often a faulty fire & gas detection yeh, your right, we have it easy" How the fuck was I supposed to know you work on an oil rig? I lived in Aberdeen for a while, and met a lot of people who work the rigs while I was there. If I remember correctly it is a two week on one week off job? (Do correct me if I am remembering wrongly). One thing I do know is that North Sea oil is being closed down. My own father, who used to be involved in the structural engineering and design of the jackets (the legs etc that an oil rig stands on). Was involved in the closing down of some of those rigs. I think it is sad, not least because the lads who I met who work on those rigs love their jobs and wouldn't swap them for anything. Also what on earth will they do if / when they lose their jobs? There will be nothing for them all to do! | |||
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"Our children are being taught to believe that white straight working class men are a lower life form, something to use as an example of what not to be like when they grow up. Some white straight working class men earn a good annual six figure sum ££ and we are surrounded by what we consider good workmates and friends who will "watch each others backs" Making a living as a white working class man has done me well I think that my opinion of who is working class is somewhat different to yours. Seriously... Some of us are doing menial jobs on zero hour contracts for the minimum wage. Some are doing tough, even dangerous manual jobs. Some of us are stuck behind a counter all day. These jobs have to be done, so someone has to do them. I have even heard myself being described as "poor white trash," No point making a complaint, nobody would listen. That is the reality of how many working class people are treated, and how they are looked upon by the so called liberal elite. Whilst you are doing these jobs you describe, you have the full back up of all emergency services why will rush in and attend to your medical needs should something go wrong On an oilrig you do not have this back up support, we relay on each other as back up fire teams, first aiders & rescue, we cannot just back off if we have an explosion or blow out, we cant stand clear and dial 999 And we have to take care of all jobs, if a "shit" pipe blocks up or sewage tank blockage, we cant just call a plumber, we have to get in and dig the shit out 12 hour shifts then a further 4 hours overtime, you finally drag yourself to bed and get wakened by muster alarm due to gas leak or more often a faulty fire & gas detection yeh, your right, we have it easy How the fuck was I supposed to know you work on an oil rig? I lived in Aberdeen for a while, and met a lot of people who work the rigs while I was there. If I remember correctly it is a two week on one week off job? (Do correct me if I am remembering wrongly). One thing I do know is that North Sea oil is being closed down. My own father, who used to be involved in the structural engineering and design of the jackets (the legs etc that an oil rig stands on). Was involved in the closing down of some of those rigs. I think it is sad, not least because the lads who I met who work on those rigs love their jobs and wouldn't swap them for anything. Also what on earth will they do if / when they lose their jobs? There will be nothing for them all to do!" There is still plenty work out here and huge developments going on right now as we speak, huge finds West of Shetland and that is the next "North Sea" bonanza although also newly discovered reservoirs in North Sea too, of which a well known Norwegian company is designing & building a platform for this find right now, shame it is being built in South Korea but still. The tide is turning with North sea oil, things are starting up again and oil prices are beginning to rise back up But both oil companies and arsehole contract companies (Woodgroup) have paid men off left right and centre, treated them real bad and now wonder why they cannot attract skilled guys to return. 3 weeks on / 3 weeks off does not help either, young kids cannot handle 3 weeks away on 12+ hour shifts, they find they do not have that loving girlfriend or wife still waiting for them when they return home so pack it in. | |||
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"Our children are being taught to believe that white straight working class men are a lower life form, something to use as an example of what not to be like when they grow up. Some white straight working class men earn a good annual six figure sum ££ and we are surrounded by what we consider good workmates and friends who will "watch each others backs" Making a living as a white working class man has done me well I think that my opinion of who is working class is somewhat different to yours. Seriously... Some of us are doing menial jobs on zero hour contracts for the minimum wage. Some are doing tough, even dangerous manual jobs. Some of us are stuck behind a counter all day. These jobs have to be done, so someone has to do them. I have even heard myself being described as "poor white trash," No point making a complaint, nobody would listen. That is the reality of how many working class people are treated, and how they are looked upon by the so called liberal elite. Whilst you are doing these jobs you describe, you have the full back up of all emergency services why will rush in and attend to your medical needs should something go wrong On an oilrig you do not have this back up support, we relay on each other as back up fire teams, first aiders & rescue, we cannot just back off if we have an explosion or blow out, we cant stand clear and dial 999 And we have to take care of all jobs, if a "shit" pipe blocks up or sewage tank blockage, we cant just call a plumber, we have to get in and dig the shit out 12 hour shifts then a further 4 hours overtime, you finally drag yourself to bed and get wakened by muster alarm due to gas leak or more often a faulty fire & gas detection yeh, your right, we have it easy How the fuck was I supposed to know you work on an oil rig? I lived in Aberdeen for a while, and met a lot of people who work the rigs while I was there. If I remember correctly it is a two week on one week off job? (Do correct me if I am remembering wrongly). One thing I do know is that North Sea oil is being closed down. My own father, who used to be involved in the structural engineering and design of the jackets (the legs etc that an oil rig stands on). Was involved in the closing down of some of those rigs. I think it is sad, not least because the lads who I met who work on those rigs love their jobs and wouldn't swap them for anything. Also what on earth will they do if / when they lose their jobs? There will be nothing for them all to do! There is still plenty work out here and huge developments going on right now as we speak, huge finds West of Shetland and that is the next "North Sea" bonanza although also newly discovered reservoirs in North Sea too, of which a well known Norwegian company is designing & building a platform for this find right now, shame it is being built in South Korea but still. The tide is turning with North sea oil, things are starting up again and oil prices are beginning to rise back up But both oil companies and arsehole contract companies (Woodgroup) have paid men off left right and centre, treated them real bad and now wonder why they cannot attract skilled guys to return. 3 weeks on / 3 weeks off does not help either, young kids cannot handle 3 weeks away on 12+ hour shifts, they find they do not have that loving girlfriend or wife still waiting for them when they return home so pack it in." I'm so pleased to hear that North Sea Oil is having a renaissance, when I was there in 2002 it didn't look too good. Great news. I think I could manage 3 weeks on 3 weeks off, but I am not skilled in anything to do with drilling for oil. I'd end up pealing potatoes and washing dishes. Lol. As for cleaning out shitpipes, I can relate to that. When I was 16 working as a labourer on a basement conversion, I quite often found myself down a manhole unblocking the drains with my bare hands. I remember it being bloody cold too. Nasty! | |||
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"A lot of these liberal types are working in the so called care and education of young people. Teachers, social workers, etc. Our children are being taught to believe that white straight working class men are a lower life form, something to use as an example of what not to be like when they grow up. Any parents who brings their children up to treat everybody the same, and not to give preferential treatment to so called "minority" groups, will soon be threatened by Social Services (SS) that they are in danger of losing their children. These so called "professionals" are more left wing than middle of the road, which is what liberals used to identify as. They are wannabe politicians who couldn't cut the mustard in real politics, and so took an easier option. They then begin their mission of social engineering. Making sure that children are taught to be lefty liberals. They don't consult the parents, because they don't have to. In short I don't blame the young people for this pathetic narrative, or the attempt to enforce the political dogma known as PC. They have this attitude because they have had it drilled into them all of their lives. Most will grow out of it, although that can take some time. The whole system needs an overhaul, children should not be taught this bullshit. Teachers should concentrate on making sure our children can read, write, and do maths. They should be getting them ready to do the jobs that are being done by migrants at this time. Social services should be told to treat everyone equally, perhaps then they might not miss children that are being abused by gangs of paedophiles, or being brought in from another country by their relatives and tortured to death under SS noses. Time for a change, preferably similar to what is going to happen in the US when President Trump takes charge properly. " So its some sort of a conspiracy and a plan by certain professions to undermine what is the 2nd largest 'group' within society..? the group that children and young people will be in contact with in their lives is white men so what would be the reasoning behind this? I don't but it at all, I'm a white bloke and yes I'm happy to have some views which are liberal but I share commonality with other on here who are far from liberal.. And please Brightonish what is that with the SS? is it by making some vague association with the people who were part of the genocide in Europe that you seek to beef up your conspiracy.. Social workers on the whole are doing their utmost to help some of very vulnerable kids in difficult circumstances and yes they do make mistakes as do the other agencies involved in such cases.. ever thought to ask one just what their work load is..? how many have been cut from their office, what that extra workload is and the added stress to what can already be a stressful job..? certainly there are area's to debate with that aspect of public service but ffs start it from the reality of what it is they do and not some fictitious rubbish.. and because some others are less inclined to treat people less equally based on colour, gender, religion, disability its because they have been 'socially engineered' to do so and have not grown out of it..? maybe some people are just more decent than others and don't treat some or all of the above in a lesser manner than they would expect from others.. live and let live, common decency and respect etc.. so radically pinko leftie, wishy washy, sandal wearing it simply has to be a cunning plan by err...? | |||
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"A lot of these liberal types are working in the so called care and education of young people. Teachers, social workers, etc. Our children are being taught to believe that white straight working class men are a lower life form, something to use as an example of what not to be like when they grow up. Any parents who brings their children up to treat everybody the same, and not to give preferential treatment to so called "minority" groups, will soon be threatened by Social Services (SS) that they are in danger of losing their children. These so called "professionals" are more left wing than middle of the road, which is what liberals used to identify as. They are wannabe politicians who couldn't cut the mustard in real politics, and so took an easier option. They then begin their mission of social engineering. Making sure that children are taught to be lefty liberals. They don't consult the parents, because they don't have to. In short I don't blame the young people for this pathetic narrative, or the attempt to enforce the political dogma known as PC. They have this attitude because they have had it drilled into them all of their lives. Most will grow out of it, although that can take some time. The whole system needs an overhaul, children should not be taught this bullshit. Teachers should concentrate on making sure our children can read, write, and do maths. They should be getting them ready to do the jobs that are being done by migrants at this time. Social services should be told to treat everyone equally, perhaps then they might not miss children that are being abused by gangs of paedophiles, or being brought in from another country by their relatives and tortured to death under SS noses. Time for a change, preferably similar to what is going to happen in the US when President Trump takes charge properly. So its some sort of a conspiracy and a plan by certain professions to undermine what is the 2nd largest 'group' within society..? the group that children and young people will be in contact with in their lives is white men so what would be the reasoning behind this? I don't but it at all, I'm a white bloke and yes I'm happy to have some views which are liberal but I share commonality with other on here who are far from liberal.. And please Brightonish what is that with the SS? is it by making some vague association with the people who were part of the genocide in Europe that you seek to beef up your conspiracy.. Social workers on the whole are doing their utmost to help some of very vulnerable kids in difficult circumstances and yes they do make mistakes as do the other agencies involved in such cases.. ever thought to ask one just what their work load is..? how many have been cut from their office, what that extra workload is and the added stress to what can already be a stressful job..? certainly there are area's to debate with that aspect of public service but ffs start it from the reality of what it is they do and not some fictitious rubbish.. and because some others are less inclined to treat people less equally based on colour, gender, religion, disability its because they have been 'socially engineered' to do so and have not grown out of it..? maybe some people are just more decent than others and don't treat some or all of the above in a lesser manner than they would expect from others.. live and let live, common decency and respect etc.. so radically pinko leftie, wishy washy, sandal wearing it simply has to be a cunning plan by err...? " Quite a long post, but you are not providing answers, only questions. I have five children, and have a lot of experience as a parent. One of my children is high functioning ASD, he is very intelligent but various schools have struggled with his behaviour. Because of this I have had social workers round, have been blamed for his behaviour (prior to his ASD diagnosis), then after a meeting with a bunch of so called "professionals" had all but one of my kids placed on protection list. The fifth being able to tell them to fuck off as he was over 16. I had 20 months of unannounced visits and case conferences. Then one day a new manager took over the office dealing with my "case," she came to visit with the usual social worker, and asked why the hell we were still on that list. Seems they should make a decision after 12 months or simply take us off it. Turned out that the social worker and her previous manager simply didn't like me. Because I didn't bow scrape and lick their arses, they used my own children to punish me. Within 6 days there was another case conference and we were removed from their list. We still have to put up with some of their bullshit, and it won't stop until my youngest leaves school. He had been kicked out of all the local special schools and now attends a boarding school during term time. He is 14 now, so at least a couple more years of their "help." I suppose when I become elderly they will turn their attention to me personally. Groovy! | |||
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"Our children are being taught to believe that white straight working class men are a lower life form, something to use as an example of what not to be like when they grow up. Any parents who brings their children up to treat everybody the same, and not to give preferential treatment to so called "minority" groups, will soon be threatened by Social Services (SS) that they are in danger of losing their children. These so called "professionals" are more left wing than middle of the road, which is what liberals used to identify as. They are wannabe politicians who couldn't cut the mustard in real politics, and so took an easier option. They then begin their mission of social engineering. Making sure that children are taught to be lefty liberals. They don't consult the parents, because they don't have to. In short I don't blame the young people for this pathetic narrative, or the attempt to enforce the political dogma known as PC. They have this attitude because they have had it drilled into them all of their lives. Most will grow out of it, although that can take some time. The whole system needs an overhaul, children should not be taught this bullshit. Teachers should concentrate on making sure our children can read, write, and do maths. They should be getting them ready to do the jobs that are being done by migrants at this time. Social services should be told to treat everyone equally, perhaps then they might not miss children that are being abused by gangs of paedophiles, or being brought in from another country by their relatives and tortured to death under SS noses. Time for a change, preferably similar to what is going to happen in the US when President Trump takes charge properly. " Now that is a lot of anger and hate towards 2 of the most unappreciated professions there are. Teachers, all those holidays, just sit in a class and do F all. What tossers, they should do a real job like us... What teachers striking because of the way they are treated! What about us, the real workers! We have to take time off to make sure our (insert name) keeps out of trouble and are losing money! Bloody teachers... Social workers, pinko liberal wankers! The SS sticking their nose in where its not wanted like the gestapo! Save us all and get rid of them! Make them do a real job like us! Did you hear about poor little (insert name), how could his/her parent(s) do that? Its all the social workers fault! They should have done more its what we pay them for! Who here would willingly babysit 30 15 YO bottom set youths with no interest in learning last period on a sunny Friday? Or want to be the poor sod who has to decide if a child is taken into local authority care? | |||
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"Our children are being taught to believe that white straight working class men are a lower life form, something to use as an example of what not to be like when they grow up. Any parents who brings their children up to treat everybody the same, and not to give preferential treatment to so called "minority" groups, will soon be threatened by Social Services (SS) that they are in danger of losing their children. These so called "professionals" are more left wing than middle of the road, which is what liberals used to identify as. They are wannabe politicians who couldn't cut the mustard in real politics, and so took an easier option. They then begin their mission of social engineering. Making sure that children are taught to be lefty liberals. They don't consult the parents, because they don't have to. In short I don't blame the young people for this pathetic narrative, or the attempt to enforce the political dogma known as PC. They have this attitude because they have had it drilled into them all of their lives. Most will grow out of it, although that can take some time. The whole system needs an overhaul, children should not be taught this bullshit. Teachers should concentrate on making sure our children can read, write, and do maths. They should be getting them ready to do the jobs that are being done by migrants at this time. Social services should be told to treat everyone equally, perhaps then they might not miss children that are being abused by gangs of paedophiles, or being brought in from another country by their relatives and tortured to death under SS noses. Time for a change, preferably similar to what is going to happen in the US when President Trump takes charge properly. Now that is a lot of anger and hate towards 2 of the most unappreciated professions there are. Teachers, all those holidays, just sit in a class and do F all. What tossers, they should do a real job like us... What teachers striking because of the way they are treated! What about us, the real workers! We have to take time off to make sure our (insert name) keeps out of trouble and are losing money! Bloody teachers... Social workers, pinko liberal wankers! The SS sticking their nose in where its not wanted like the gestapo! Save us all and get rid of them! Make them do a real job like us! Did you hear about poor little (insert name), how could his/her parent(s) do that? Its all the social workers fault! They should have done more its what we pay them for! Who here would willingly babysit 30 15 YO bottom set youths with no interest in learning last period on a sunny Friday? Or want to be the poor sod who has to decide if a child is taken into local authority care? " I knew you would come back with this kind of nonsense, but I also know that it changes nothing. You talk about hatred for schoolteachers and social workers. On that you are damned right. I have hated them both ever since I was a kid and my mother was bringing up 3 of us on her own. Unappreciated? They bring it upon themselves, nothing could even begin to change my mind about either profession. | |||
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"You talk about hatred for schoolteachers and social workers. On that you are damned right. I have hated them both ever since I was a kid and my mother was bringing up 3 of us on her own. Unappreciated? They bring it upon themselves, nothing could even begin to change my mind about either profession." QED. | |||
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"So what is the definition of "liberal" that makes people on this particular forum so angry? What views and oppinions do they hold that make them such terrible people? As they constitute about half the population biased towards the young, what should be done with them? I'm hoping for a less angry response than in other threads. I can hope "You're hoping for a less angry response to a post where you call liberal people 'horrible' and 'terrible' and ask 'what should be done with them'? Yeah, you seem so sincere, not trolling to wind people up at all... | |||
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"You talk about hatred for schoolteachers and social workers. On that you are damned right. I have hated them both ever since I was a kid and my mother was bringing up 3 of us on her own. Unappreciated? They bring it upon themselves, nothing could even begin to change my mind about either profession. QED." You didn't prove anything, I admitted that I hate teachers and social workers. You have nothing to be smug about. | |||
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"A lot of these liberal types are working in the so called care and education of young people. Teachers, social workers, etc. Our children are being taught to believe that white straight working class men are a lower life form, something to use as an example of what not to be like when they grow up. Any parents who brings their children up to treat everybody the same, and not to give preferential treatment to so called "minority" groups, will soon be threatened by Social Services (SS) that they are in danger of losing their children. These so called "professionals" are more left wing than middle of the road, which is what liberals used to identify as. They are wannabe politicians who couldn't cut the mustard in real politics, and so took an easier option. They then begin their mission of social engineering. Making sure that children are taught to be lefty liberals. They don't consult the parents, because they don't have to. In short I don't blame the young people for this pathetic narrative, or the attempt to enforce the political dogma known as PC. They have this attitude because they have had it drilled into them all of their lives. Most will grow out of it, although that can take some time. The whole system needs an overhaul, children should not be taught this bullshit. Teachers should concentrate on making sure our children can read, write, and do maths. They should be getting them ready to do the jobs that are being done by migrants at this time. Social services should be told to treat everyone equally, perhaps then they might not miss children that are being abused by gangs of paedophiles, or being brought in from another country by their relatives and tortured to death under SS noses. Time for a change, preferably similar to what is going to happen in the US when President Trump takes charge properly. So its some sort of a conspiracy and a plan by certain professions to undermine what is the 2nd largest 'group' within society..? the group that children and young people will be in contact with in their lives is white men so what would be the reasoning behind this? I don't but it at all, I'm a white bloke and yes I'm happy to have some views which are liberal but I share commonality with other on here who are far from liberal.. And please Brightonish what is that with the SS? is it by making some vague association with the people who were part of the genocide in Europe that you seek to beef up your conspiracy.. Social workers on the whole are doing their utmost to help some of very vulnerable kids in difficult circumstances and yes they do make mistakes as do the other agencies involved in such cases.. ever thought to ask one just what their work load is..? how many have been cut from their office, what that extra workload is and the added stress to what can already be a stressful job..? certainly there are area's to debate with that aspect of public service but ffs start it from the reality of what it is they do and not some fictitious rubbish.. and because some others are less inclined to treat people less equally based on colour, gender, religion, disability its because they have been 'socially engineered' to do so and have not grown out of it..? maybe some people are just more decent than others and don't treat some or all of the above in a lesser manner than they would expect from others.. live and let live, common decency and respect etc.. so radically pinko leftie, wishy washy, sandal wearing it simply has to be a cunning plan by err...? Quite a long post, but you are not providing answers, only questions. I have five children, and have a lot of experience as a parent. One of my children is high functioning ASD, he is very intelligent but various schools have struggled with his behaviour. Because of this I have had social workers round, have been blamed for his behaviour (prior to his ASD diagnosis), then after a meeting with a bunch of so called "professionals" had all but one of my kids placed on protection list. The fifth being able to tell them to fuck off as he was over 16. I had 20 months of unannounced visits and case conferences. Then one day a new manager took over the office dealing with my "case," she came to visit with the usual social worker, and asked why the hell we were still on that list. Seems they should make a decision after 12 months or simply take us off it. Turned out that the social worker and her previous manager simply didn't like me. Because I didn't bow scrape and lick their arses, they used my own children to punish me. Within 6 days there was another case conference and we were removed from their list. We still have to put up with some of their bullshit, and it won't stop until my youngest leaves school. He had been kicked out of all the local special schools and now attends a boarding school during term time. He is 14 now, so at least a couple more years of their "help." I suppose when I become elderly they will turn their attention to me personally. Groovy!" so despite that someone realised there had been a mistake in your case and corrected it you still think as you posted above? there are good and bad in all professions but it does not mean that the whole of that profession is bad.. balance is all.. | |||
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"People have been told what to do, what to say, even what they should think on so many levels about so many different things for so long. So called Political Correctness is the liberal stick to beat off anyone who opposes them. Now they can take that stick, shine it up real nice, turn it sideways, and stick it right up their stupid arses. People should at least be able to say out loud what they think at least. At least that way we will know what everyone really thinks. Some people might get insulted, it will be up to them to fight back, as they too will have the freedom to say what they want. Let everyone be proud of who and what they are, not just certain sections of society." So other than being able to say anything you want without anyone objecting to it, how does Brexit or Trump make your life better? | |||
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"People should at least be able to say out loud what they think at least. At least that way we will know what everyone really thinks. " What is it that you want to be able to say? | |||
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"Horrible Liberals Is that like Horrible Histories? Or Nick Clegg supporting Camoron?" we have a horrible liberal here in Scotland - baw bag by the name of Carmichael - got dragged into court , proven to be a lier and still managed to keep his sea in the house of liers in london , not a bad trick to pull off for one soo corrupt | |||
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"You didn't prove anything, I admitted that I hate teachers and social workers. You have nothing to be smug about." You are correct, I have proven nothing. My unbiased pointing out how difficult and thankless the tasks of teachers and social workers are and your outburst did. My reply was as short as I could make it because it is obvious that nothing will change your opinion of 2 thankless professions. No smugness here, just sadness. | |||
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"People should at least be able to say out loud what they think at least. At least that way we will know what everyone really thinks. What is it that you want to be able to say?" A loaded question? Whatever the fuck I like. | |||
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"People should at least be able to say out loud what they think at least. At least that way we will know what everyone really thinks. What is it that you want to be able to say? A loaded question? Whatever the fuck I like." I'm genuinely interested to know what people think PC is 'silencing' them about. | |||
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"I'm genuinely interested to know what people think PC is 'silencing' them about." Political correctness is a cop out. PC is the worst sort of censorship there is. Here is Johnathan Pie explaining it and why Trump got elected. He is funny too! https://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs | |||
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"I'm genuinely interested to know what people think PC is 'silencing' them about. Political correctness is a cop out. PC is the worst sort of censorship there is. Here is Johnathan Pie explaining it and why Trump got elected. He is funny too! https://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs" Well, that reply is not an answer to what I asked, but thanks, I guess. | |||
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"Well, that reply is not an answer to what I asked, but thanks, I guess." But in a way it was. PC is a wrongness, it is censorship without rules. It stops debate, it has led to a place where if I object to the Muslims (and it is Muslims) blocking roads around the mosques in cheetham hill I am a racist, not frustrated with roads being blocked by selfish lazy sods who feel they can do what they like. If I object to public roads in central Manchester being closed steel walls being erected and security men demanding that I pay to walk on a public road I'm a homophobic. If I object to some ultra left wing anarchists camping out in front of GMPHQ (round the corner from me) dumping pop bottles full of piss all over the place I am a right wing government lackey. If I object to police unlawfully imprisoning me because I am peacefully protesting against a government policy (kettling) then I am a commie. If I put on my green lid (did earlier) and stand to attention in silence for 2 minutes remembering those that went before me, with me and near me and those that are still going and will continue to go so we can all live in relative freedom, I am a warmounger and baby killer. And that's just a small sample of the PC names and labels I have heard use to describe me! The left wing establishment PC brigade found a way to silence any decent to their world view. The right wing PC brigade was quickly formed to do the same for them. Now the only way to really show them all what we really think is to fuck them over in the ballot box... Fucking them over in the ballot box fucks the country. That's us. So we have to fuck ourselves over to outmanoeuvre the PC brigade. 
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"Well, that reply is not an answer to what I asked, but thanks, I guess. But in a way it was. PC is a wrongness, it is censorship without rules. It stops debate, it has led to a place where if I object to the Muslims (and it is Muslims) blocking roads around the mosques in cheetham hill I am a racist, not frustrated with roads being blocked by selfish lazy sods who feel they can do what they like. If I object to public roads in central Manchester being closed steel walls being erected and security men demanding that I pay to walk on a public road I'm a homophobic. If I object to some ultra left wing anarchists camping out in front of GMPHQ (round the corner from me) dumping pop bottles full of piss all over the place I am a right wing government lackey. If I object to police unlawfully imprisoning me because I am peacefully protesting against a government policy (kettling) then I am a commie. If I put on my green lid (did earlier) and stand to attention in silence for 2 minutes remembering those that went before me, with me and near me and those that are still going and will continue to go so we can all live in relative freedom, I am a warmounger and baby killer. And that's just a small sample of the PC names and labels I have heard use to describe me! The left wing establishment PC brigade found a way to silence any decent to their world view. The right wing PC brigade was quickly formed to do the same for them. Now the only way to really show them all what we really think is to fuck them over in the ballot box... Fucking them over in the ballot box fucks the country. That's us. So we have to fuck ourselves over to outmanoeuvre the PC brigade.
Is that a better answer for you?"My heart bleeds. Try living in Aleppo. | |||
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"Well, that reply is not an answer to what I asked, but thanks, I guess. But in a way it was. PC is a wrongness, it is censorship without rules. It stops debate, it has led to a place where if I object to the Muslims (and it is Muslims) blocking roads around the mosques in cheetham hill I am a racist, not frustrated with roads being blocked by selfish lazy sods who feel they can do what they like. If I object to public roads in central Manchester being closed steel walls being erected and security men demanding that I pay to walk on a public road I'm a homophobic. If I object to some ultra left wing anarchists camping out in front of GMPHQ (round the corner from me) dumping pop bottles full of piss all over the place I am a right wing government lackey. If I object to police unlawfully imprisoning me because I am peacefully protesting against a government policy (kettling) then I am a commie. If I put on my green lid (did earlier) and stand to attention in silence for 2 minutes remembering those that went before me, with me and near me and those that are still going and will continue to go so we can all live in relative freedom, I am a warmounger and baby killer. And that's just a small sample of the PC names and labels I have heard use to describe me! The left wing establishment PC brigade found a way to silence any decent to their world view. The right wing PC brigade was quickly formed to do the same for them. Now the only way to really show them all what we really think is to fuck them over in the ballot box... Fucking them over in the ballot box fucks the country. That's us. So we have to fuck ourselves over to outmanoeuvre the PC brigade.
Is that a better answer for you?"Who is it specifically that has called you a racist for objecting to roads being crowded, etc? Friends/colleagues of yours? People online? I honestly don't recognise this world you live in. It must be very odd there. | |||
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"Well, that reply is not an answer to what I asked, but thanks, I guess. But in a way it was. PC is a wrongness, it is censorship without rules. It stops debate, it has led to a place where if I object to the Muslims (and it is Muslims) blocking roads around the mosques in cheetham hill I am a racist, not frustrated with roads being blocked by selfish lazy sods who feel they can do what they like. If I object to public roads in central Manchester being closed steel walls being erected and security men demanding that I pay to walk on a public road I'm a homophobic. If I object to some ultra left wing anarchists camping out in front of GMPHQ (round the corner from me) dumping pop bottles full of piss all over the place I am a right wing government lackey. If I object to police unlawfully imprisoning me because I am peacefully protesting against a government policy (kettling) then I am a commie. If I put on my green lid (did earlier) and stand to attention in silence for 2 minutes remembering those that went before me, with me and near me and those that are still going and will continue to go so we can all live in relative freedom, I am a warmounger and baby killer. And that's just a small sample of the PC names and labels I have heard use to describe me! The left wing establishment PC brigade found a way to silence any decent to their world view. The right wing PC brigade was quickly formed to do the same for them. Now the only way to really show them all what we really think is to fuck them over in the ballot box... Fucking them over in the ballot box fucks the country. That's us. So we have to fuck ourselves over to outmanoeuvre the PC brigade.
Is that a better answer for you?
My heart bleeds.
Try living in Aleppo.
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"Well, that reply is not an answer to what I asked, but thanks, I guess. But in a way it was. PC is a wrongness, it is censorship without rules. It stops debate, it has led to a place where if I object to the Muslims (and it is Muslims) blocking roads around the mosques in cheetham hill I am a racist, not frustrated with roads being blocked by selfish lazy sods who feel they can do what they like. If I object to public roads in central Manchester being closed steel walls being erected and security men demanding that I pay to walk on a public road I'm a homophobic. If I object to some ultra left wing anarchists camping out in front of GMPHQ (round the corner from me) dumping pop bottles full of piss all over the place I am a right wing government lackey. If I object to police unlawfully imprisoning me because I am peacefully protesting against a government policy (kettling) then I am a commie. If I put on my green lid (did earlier) and stand to attention in silence for 2 minutes remembering those that went before me, with me and near me and those that are still going and will continue to go so we can all live in relative freedom, I am a warmounger and baby killer. And that's just a small sample of the PC names and labels I have heard use to describe me! The left wing establishment PC brigade found a way to silence any decent to their world view. The right wing PC brigade was quickly formed to do the same for them. Now the only way to really show them all what we really think is to fuck them over in the ballot box... Fucking them over in the ballot box fucks the country. That's us. So we have to fuck ourselves over to outmanoeuvre the PC brigade.
Is that a better answer for you?
My heart bleeds.
Try living in Aleppo.
Yep...
Of course I mean NO!
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"Well, that reply is not an answer to what I asked, but thanks, I guess. But in a way it was. PC is a wrongness, it is censorship without rules. It stops debate, it has led to a place where if I object to the Muslims (and it is Muslims) blocking roads around the mosques in cheetham hill I am a racist, not frustrated with roads being blocked by selfish lazy sods who feel they can do what they like. If I object to public roads in central Manchester being closed steel walls being erected and security men demanding that I pay to walk on a public road I'm a homophobic. If I object to some ultra left wing anarchists camping out in front of GMPHQ (round the corner from me) dumping pop bottles full of piss all over the place I am a right wing government lackey. If I object to police unlawfully imprisoning me because I am peacefully protesting against a government policy (kettling) then I am a commie. If I put on my green lid (did earlier) and stand to attention in silence for 2 minutes remembering those that went before me, with me and near me and those that are still going and will continue to go so we can all live in relative freedom, I am a warmounger and baby killer. And that's just a small sample of the PC names and labels I have heard use to describe me! The left wing establishment PC brigade found a way to silence any decent to their world view. The right wing PC brigade was quickly formed to do the same for them. Now the only way to really show them all what we really think is to fuck them over in the ballot box... Fucking them over in the ballot box fucks the country. That's us. So we have to fuck ourselves over to outmanoeuvre the PC brigade.
Is that a better answer for you?"That post was going well until the last 4 paragraphs. I really don't believe that BREXIT will fuck the country. It hasn't started yet, we are not even 2 years away from the completion of leaving the EU. It also looks as if the EU itself is going to the wall. I doubt there would be any different had our BREXIT vote, and there is a real chance they would have dragged us down with them. | |||
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"Who is it specifically that has called you a racist for objecting to roads being crowded, etc? Friends/colleagues of yours? People online? I honestly don't recognise this world you live in. It must be very odd there. " Some guy outside the mosque, said the faithful were at prayer and I could turn round and find another route or wait till they had finished prayers. I now just avoid that area at midday. | |||
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"Who is it specifically that has called you a racist for objecting to roads being crowded, etc? Friends/colleagues of yours? People online? I honestly don't recognise this world you live in. It must be very odd there. Some guy outside the mosque, said the faithful were at prayer and I could turn round and find another route or wait till they had finished prayers. I now just avoid that area at midday." And he called you a racist? | |||
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"Well, that reply is not an answer to what I asked, but thanks, I guess. But in a way it was. PC is a wrongness, it is censorship without rules. It stops debate, it has led to a place where if I object to the Muslims (and it is Muslims) blocking roads around the mosques in cheetham hill I am a racist, not frustrated with roads being blocked by selfish lazy sods who feel they can do what they like. If I object to public roads in central Manchester being closed steel walls being erected and security men demanding that I pay to walk on a public road I'm a homophobic. If I object to some ultra left wing anarchists camping out in front of GMPHQ (round the corner from me) dumping pop bottles full of piss all over the place I am a right wing government lackey. If I object to police unlawfully imprisoning me because I am peacefully protesting against a government policy (kettling) then I am a commie. If I put on my green lid (did earlier) and stand to attention in silence for 2 minutes remembering those that went before me, with me and near me and those that are still going and will continue to go so we can all live in relative freedom, I am a warmounger and baby killer. And that's just a small sample of the PC names and labels I have heard use to describe me! The left wing establishment PC brigade found a way to silence any decent to their world view. The right wing PC brigade was quickly formed to do the same for them. Now the only way to really show them all what we really think is to fuck them over in the ballot box... Fucking them over in the ballot box fucks the country. That's us. So we have to fuck ourselves over to outmanoeuvre the PC brigade.
Is that a better answer for you?
Who is it specifically that has called you a racist for objecting to roads being crowded, etc? Friends/colleagues of yours? People online?
I honestly don't recognise this world you live in. It must be very odd there.
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"It is very much like that in Brighton, where everybody is expected to be PC. I have seen hoards of very aggressive people protesting about a handful of people who didn't look like anything other than patriotic demonstrators. There's also a lot of so called "anarchists" here. Masked far left hooligans who pose as ordinary counter demonstrators, but always use an occasion to start violence. I've seen them use counter demos as a cover for attacking the police, even dragging horses over in the road. Nice people - NOT." As opposed to those nice, right-wing hooligans?  | |||
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"That post was going well until the last 4 paragraphs. I really don't believe that BREXIT will fuck the country. It hasn't started yet, we are not even 2 years away from the completion of leaving the EU. It also looks as if the EU itself is going to the wall. I doubt there would be any different had our BREXIT vote, and there is a real chance they would have dragged us down with them." I did not mention BREXIT, because I was not referring to brexit, I was referring to the fact that PC is so bad we now often vote and act out of frustration because we feel that we have to stay silent when we are in control. Not healthy, but your brexit comment may be moot, I wonder how many brexit votes were a big 2 fingers to all the eaton posh boys? Mine was! | |||
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"That post was going well until the last 4 paragraphs. I really don't believe that BREXIT will fuck the country. It hasn't started yet, we are not even 2 years away from the completion of leaving the EU. It also looks as if the EU itself is going to the wall. I doubt there would be any different had our BREXIT vote, and there is a real chance they would have dragged us down with them. I did not mention BREXIT, because I was not referring to brexit, I was referring to the fact that PC is so bad we now often vote and act out of frustration because we feel that we have to stay silent when we are in control. Not healthy, but your brexit comment may be moot, I wonder how many brexit votes were a big 2 fingers to all the eaton posh boys? Mine was! " My apologies, I just read the bit about voting to fuck the country and immediately thought about the rhetoric posted by certain individuals, one of which has gone very quiet lately. My vote was definitely a big two fingers, to a vast number of shit heads who think they have the right to tell us how to think, and even how to vote. Fuck em all spring to mind. | |||
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"That post was going well until the last 4 paragraphs. I really don't believe that BREXIT will fuck the country. It hasn't started yet, we are not even 2 years away from the completion of leaving the EU. It also looks as if the EU itself is going to the wall. I doubt there would be any different had our BREXIT vote, and there is a real chance they would have dragged us down with them. I did not mention BREXIT, because I was not referring to brexit, I was referring to the fact that PC is so bad we now often vote and act out of frustration because we feel that we have to stay silent when we are in control. Not healthy, but your brexit comment may be moot, I wonder how many brexit votes were a big 2 fingers to all the eaton posh boys? Mine was! My apologies, I just read the bit about voting to fuck the country and immediately thought about the rhetoric posted by certain individuals, one of which has gone very quiet lately. My vote was definitely a big two fingers, to a vast number of shit heads who think they have the right to tell us how to think, and even how to vote. Fuck em all spring to mind." Which is fine, and a lot of people dis likewise, but what now, hmmm? What about serious policy decisions like what shape will Brexit take and what are we willing to let is cost us? What now for NATO, the rise of China and a resurgent Russia? You made you point. So what now? | |||
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"What now for NATO, the rise of China and a resurgent Russia? You made you point. So what now?" What of China? China has not changed in thousands of years it will not change now | |||
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"What now for NATO, the rise of China and a resurgent Russia? You made you point. So what now? What of China? China has not changed in thousands of years it will not change now" You believe that? Serious? | |||
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"That post was going well until the last 4 paragraphs. I really don't believe that BREXIT will fuck the country. It hasn't started yet, we are not even 2 years away from the completion of leaving the EU. It also looks as if the EU itself is going to the wall. I doubt there would be any different had our BREXIT vote, and there is a real chance they would have dragged us down with them. I did not mention BREXIT, because I was not referring to brexit, I was referring to the fact that PC is so bad we now often vote and act out of frustration because we feel that we have to stay silent when we are in control. Not healthy, but your brexit comment may be moot, I wonder how many brexit votes were a big 2 fingers to all the eaton posh boys? Mine was! My apologies, I just read the bit about voting to fuck the country and immediately thought about the rhetoric posted by certain individuals, one of which has gone very quiet lately. My vote was definitely a big two fingers, to a vast number of shit heads who think they have the right to tell us how to think, and even how to vote. Fuck em all spring to mind. Which is fine, and a lot of people dis likewise, but what now, hmmm? What about serious policy decisions like what shape will Brexit take and what are we willing to let is cost us? What now for NATO, the rise of China and a resurgent Russia? You made you point. So what now?" Our leaving the EU will make no difference to the rise of China and we will still be full members of NATO. If, and I mean if, the US can make peace with Putin's Russia, I believe there will be a lot less turbulence, maybe even peace in the world. Well at least between East and West. | |||
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"That post was going well until the last 4 paragraphs. I really don't believe that BREXIT will fuck the country. It hasn't started yet, we are not even 2 years away from the completion of leaving the EU. It also looks as if the EU itself is going to the wall. I doubt there would be any different had our BREXIT vote, and there is a real chance they would have dragged us down with them. I did not mention BREXIT, because I was not referring to brexit, I was referring to the fact that PC is so bad we now often vote and act out of frustration because we feel that we have to stay silent when we are in control. Not healthy, but your brexit comment may be moot, I wonder how many brexit votes were a big 2 fingers to all the eaton posh boys? Mine was! My apologies, I just read the bit about voting to fuck the country and immediately thought about the rhetoric posted by certain individuals, one of which has gone very quiet lately. My vote was definitely a big two fingers, to a vast number of shit heads who think they have the right to tell us how to think, and even how to vote. Fuck em all spring to mind. Which is fine, and a lot of people dis likewise, but what now, hmmm? What about serious policy decisions like what shape will Brexit take and what are we willing to let is cost us? What now for NATO, the rise of China and a resurgent Russia? You made you point. So what now? Our leaving the EU will make no difference to the rise of China and we will still be full members of NATO. If, and I mean if, the US can make peace with Putin's Russia, I believe there will be a lot less turbulence, maybe even peace in the world. Well at least between East and West. " There is a school of thought that says with the EU in disarray over Brexit and the migrant crisis, with the US tied up working out what to do now... Now is the time when Putin can do what he likes and now is the time that China has been waiting for. You know, that cosey consensus of managed politics, progress, co-operation and international institutions that has operated for 70 years is now considerably threatened. But if you're sure it makes no difference... | |||
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"That post was going well until the last 4 paragraphs. I really don't believe that BREXIT will fuck the country. It hasn't started yet, we are not even 2 years away from the completion of leaving the EU. It also looks as if the EU itself is going to the wall. I doubt there would be any different had our BREXIT vote, and there is a real chance they would have dragged us down with them. I did not mention BREXIT, because I was not referring to brexit, I was referring to the fact that PC is so bad we now often vote and act out of frustration because we feel that we have to stay silent when we are in control. Not healthy, but your brexit comment may be moot, I wonder how many brexit votes were a big 2 fingers to all the eaton posh boys? Mine was! My apologies, I just read the bit about voting to fuck the country and immediately thought about the rhetoric posted by certain individuals, one of which has gone very quiet lately. My vote was definitely a big two fingers, to a vast number of shit heads who think they have the right to tell us how to think, and even how to vote. Fuck em all spring to mind. Which is fine, and a lot of people dis likewise, but what now, hmmm? What about serious policy decisions like what shape will Brexit take and what are we willing to let is cost us? What now for NATO, the rise of China and a resurgent Russia? You made you point. So what now? Our leaving the EU will make no difference to the rise of China and we will still be full members of NATO. If, and I mean if, the US can make peace with Putin's Russia, I believe there will be a lot less turbulence, maybe even peace in the world. Well at least between East and West. There is a school of thought that says with the EU in disarray over Brexit and the migrant crisis, with the US tied up working out what to do now... Now is the time when Putin can do what he likes and now is the time that China has been waiting for. You know, that cosey consensus of managed politics, progress, co-operation and international institutions that has operated for 70 years is now considerably threatened. But if you're sure it makes no difference... " That is a strange school of thought. China and Russia have been doing what they like for a long time, of course that will not change, but they don't need a distraction. | |||
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"Fuck em all spring to mind. Which is fine, and a lot of people dis likewise, but what now, hmmm? What about serious policy decisions like what shape will Brexit take and what are we willing to let is cost us? What now for NATO, the rise of China and a resurgent Russia? You made you point. So what now? Our leaving the EU will make no difference to the rise of China and we will still be full members of NATO. If, and I mean if, the US can make peace with Putin's Russia, I believe there will be a lot less turbulence, maybe even peace in the world. Well at least between East and West. There is a school of thought that says with the EU in disarray over Brexit and the migrant crisis, with the US tied up working out what to do now... Now is the time when Putin can do what he likes and now is the time that China has been waiting for. You know, that cosey consensus of managed politics, progress, co-operation and international institutions that has operated for 70 years is now considerably threatened. But if you're sure it makes no difference... That is a strange school of thought. China and Russia have been doing what they like for a long time, of course that will not change, but they don't need a distraction. " American foreign policy has failed. Its writ no longer runs in South America. The Middle East is a cluster fuck of impressive proportions. Ukraine has been partitioned. Arms control is off the table. Multilateralism is in tatters. NATO is threatened as Trump calls it 'obsolete'. So is now the moment for America to turn inward? | |||
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"[snips] Fuck em all spring to mind. Which is fine, and a lot of people dis likewise, but what now, hmmm? What about serious policy decisions like what shape will Brexit take and what are we willing to let is cost us? What now for NATO, the rise of China and a resurgent Russia? You made you point. So what now? Our leaving the EU will make no difference to the rise of China and we will still be full members of NATO. If, and I mean if, the US can make peace with Putin's Russia, I believe there will be a lot less turbulence, maybe even peace in the world. Well at least between East and West. There is a school of thought that says with the EU in disarray over Brexit and the migrant crisis, with the US tied up working out what to do now... Now is the time when Putin can do what he likes and now is the time that China has been waiting for. You know, that cosey consensus of managed politics, progress, co-operation and international institutions that has operated for 70 years is now considerably threatened. But if you're sure it makes no difference... That is a strange school of thought. China and Russia have been doing what they like for a long time, of course that will not change, but they don't need a distraction. American foreign policy has failed. Its writ no longer runs in South America. The Middle East is a cluster fuck of impressive proportions. Ukraine has been partitioned. Arms control is off the table. Multilateralism is in tatters. NATO is threatened as Trump calls it 'obsolete'. So is now the moment for America to turn inward?" Perhaps they need to, they are in terrible debt just like us only worse. If they disengage from being the worlds police, (which they were never any food at anyway), they might be able to rescue their economy. It would also be nice for us not to be dragged into anymore pointless wars for a few years. We can't afford to go in like this either. So my answer to your question has to be yes. | |||
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"[snips] Fuck em all spring to mind. Which is fine, and a lot of people dis likewise, but what now, hmmm? What about serious policy decisions like what shape will Brexit take and what are we willing to let is cost us? What now for NATO, the rise of China and a resurgent Russia? You made you point. So what now? Our leaving the EU will make no difference to the rise of China and we will still be full members of NATO. If, and I mean if, the US can make peace with Putin's Russia, I believe there will be a lot less turbulence, maybe even peace in the world. Well at least between East and West. There is a school of thought that says with the EU in disarray over Brexit and the migrant crisis, with the US tied up working out what to do now... Now is the time when Putin can do what he likes and now is the time that China has been waiting for. You know, that cosey consensus of managed politics, progress, co-operation and international institutions that has operated for 70 years is now considerably threatened. But if you're sure it makes no difference... That is a strange school of thought. China and Russia have been doing what they like for a long time, of course that will not change, but they don't need a distraction. American foreign policy has failed. Its writ no longer runs in South America. The Middle East is a cluster fuck of impressive proportions. Ukraine has been partitioned. Arms control is off the table. Multilateralism is in tatters. NATO is threatened as Trump calls it 'obsolete'. So is now the moment for America to turn inward? Perhaps they need to, they are in terrible debt just like us only worse. If they disengage from being the worlds police, (which they were never any food at anyway), they might be able to rescue their economy. It would also be nice for us not to be dragged into anymore pointless wars for a few years. We can't afford to go in like this either. So my answer to your question has to be yes." Not food, good, damn the lack of an edit post button. | |||
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"Many use the terms Liberal and Leftie because they see others do it and are too lazy to think for themselves....." I use the term in association with people and who hold certain cultural views - not economic ones. | |||
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"Many use the terms Liberal and Leftie because they see others do it and are too lazy to think for themselves..... I use the term in association with people and who hold certain cultural views - not economic ones. " Explain cultural.....are we talking race here or something else? | |||
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"What now for NATO, the rise of China and a resurgent Russia? You made you point. So what now? What of China? China has not changed in thousands of years it will not change now You believe that? Serious? "Yep... China is a bureaucracy. Its bureaucrats are recruited by means of competitive examination, and this is where the power really lies in China. The communist party is just the latest figurehead of this Bureaucracy. Just like every time there has been a change in the ruling dynasty there has been a period of extreme instability as the new figureheads secure their power-base. China is an isolationist empire. China is deeply suspicious of all gweilos (that is us), and those who have contact with gweilos. It has been like that for thousands of years (they built a rather famous wall some 2000+ years ago to keep us out). We in our arrogance have mistaken this suspicion with aggression. China will only be a problem if we pick a fight with them. | |||
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"What now for NATO, the rise of China and a resurgent Russia? You made you point. So what now? What of China? China has not changed in thousands of years it will not change now You believe that? Serious?
Yep... China is a bureaucracy. Its bureaucrats are recruited by means of competitive examination, and this is where the power really lies in China.
The communist party is just the latest figurehead of this Bureaucracy. Just like every time there has been a change in the ruling dynasty there has been a period of extreme instability as the new figureheads secure their power-base.
China is an isolationist empire. China is deeply suspicious of all gweilos (that is us), and those who have contact with gweilos. It has been like that for thousands of years (they built a rather famous wall some 2000+ years ago to keep us out).
We in our arrogance have mistaken this suspicion with aggression.
China will only be a problem if we pick a fight with them."Well let's just hope nobody does pick a fight with them. I am more worried about the consequences of pissing them off more than the Russians. More because they are unpredictable than anything else. I also believe they have more nukes than anyone knows or even thinks... | |||
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"Many use the terms Liberal and Leftie because they see others do it and are too lazy to think for themselves..... I use the term in association with people and who hold certain cultural views - not economic ones. Explain cultural.....are we talking race here or something else?" It's telling that your mind drifts to the race first from a broad term like 'cultual' I mean in the sense of their outlook on the world and on people. The narrative if victimhood is extremely popular. Acceptance of oppressive behaviour as long as it's from certain groups. There is also a morality flip similar to the Cainite views. For instance taking Hamas's side over Israel.. Think that white people are somehow privileged and would like to see the proportion of white people decline (despite being the global minority), think that Britain's wealth is only due to the Empire. Think that all countries are morally equal. Acceptance, nay, enforcement of ideas regarding LGBT and women and race. And if you diverge from these leftist ideas you are by default a bigot. So mental totalitarianism in a sense. Is that thought independent enough? Or are no ideas that conflict with the left origional? That mental totalitarianism at it's best. | |||
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"A lot of these liberal types are working in the so called care and education of young people. Teachers, social workers, etc. Our children are being taught to believe that white straight working class men are a lower life form, something to use as an example of what not to be like when they grow up. Any parents who brings their children up to treat everybody the same, and not to give preferential treatment to so called "minority" groups, will soon be threatened by Social Services (SS) that they are in danger of losing their children. These so called "professionals" are more left wing than middle of the road, which is what liberals used to identify as. They are wannabe politicians who couldn't cut the mustard in real politics, and so took an easier option. They then begin their mission of social engineering. Making sure that children are taught to be lefty liberals. They don't consult the parents, because they don't have to. In short I don't blame the young people for this pathetic narrative, or the attempt to enforce the political dogma known as PC. They have this attitude because they have had it drilled into them all of their lives. Most will grow out of it, although that can take some time. The whole system needs an overhaul, children should not be taught this bullshit. Teachers should concentrate on making sure our children can read, write, and do maths. They should be getting them ready to do the jobs that are being done by migrants at this time. Social services should be told to treat everyone equally, perhaps then they might not miss children that are being abused by gangs of paedophiles, or being brought in from another country by their relatives and tortured to death under SS noses. Time for a change, preferably similar to what is going to happen in the US when President Trump takes charge properly. " I work in Education and what you've written is categorically untrue. Are you saying we receive advice on such things to pass on to the cohort of young people whom we work with and care for? Nonsense. In my 20 year career, I have only ever encouraged young people to explore the opinions of others. To take on board a world view, not to be introspective. To be kind to others, to understand differences. Not to denigrate others. Not to denigrate themselves. We talk about the 3 Rs: Rights Responsibility and Respect I work in a very working class, nay, deprived community and we encourage young people to empower themselves to reach their own individual potential. We do this by exploring the experiences of others, be they local, national or international. I would never, ever impose my views on others. A good educator will always provide an opposing view, in order to feed debate and arrive at a consensus of opinion that does not cause undue hurt. So, if a young person stated something that I may feel is true, I would still propose the opposite (usually on contentious issues, like abortion etc). That way debate takes place and minds are expanded. | |||
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"To take on board a world view and not to denigrate others? So what happens if the parents have already taught them to take on board a strictly national view, and to not give a toss about the possibility that some others might feel denigrated by that? I would wager that you would attempt to change that child, maybe even get straight on the phone to the old SS?" We deal with children and young people who come from backgrounds that are far less tolerant than we would hope for. That WOULD NOT be a reason to involve Social Services at all. In fact, locally, our Social Services are far busier dealing with much more serious matters. Believe me. I am actually saddened that you believe there is a whole conspiracy about this. I can't speak for the teaching and caring profession as a whole, but all I can say is, whilst I would challenge intolerant views, I would never criticise the family from where those views may come. Psychologically, what is learned can be unlearned. I have always been impressed by the children and young people with whom I have worked because on the whole they are far more open-minded than wider society would give them credit for. I am equally as impressed when I work alongside colleagues who are passionate about making a difference in the lives of others based on empathy with the world at large. Including empathising and understanding views that may disagree with their own. | |||
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"To take on board a world view and not to denigrate others? So what happens if the parents have already taught them to take on board a strictly national view, and to not give a toss about the possibility that some others might feel denigrated by that? I would wager that you would attempt to change that child, maybe even get straight on the phone to the old SS? We deal with children and young people who come from backgrounds that are far less tolerant than we would hope for. That WOULD NOT be a reason to involve Social Services at all. In fact, locally, our Social Services are far busier dealing with much more serious matters. Believe me. I am actually saddened that you believe there is a whole conspiracy about this. I can't speak for the teaching and caring profession as a whole, but all I can say is, whilst I would challenge intolerant views, I would never criticise the family from where those views may come. Psychologically, what is learned can be unlearned. I have always been impressed by the children and young people with whom I have worked because on the whole they are far more open-minded than wider society would give them credit for. I am equally as impressed when I work alongside colleagues who are passionate about making a difference in the lives of others based on empathy with the world at large. Including empathising and understanding views that may disagree with their own. " But you can't help but say you would challenge "intolerant" veiws, then you say what I'd learned can be unlearned. After those statements, how can you say that you are not attempting to brainwash children to follow the narrative of political correctness? You are not convincing me, not that you need to, or that you ever would. I have my own experiences, both as a child and a parent of five wonderful children. The biggest challenges I have ever faced have been because of interference from the education authorities and social services. | |||
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"You talk about hatred for schoolteachers and social workers. On that you are damned right. I have hated them both ever since I was a kid and my mother was bringing up 3 of us on her own. Unappreciated? They bring it upon themselves, nothing could even begin to change my mind about either profession. QED. You didn't prove anything, I admitted that I hate teachers and social workers. You have nothing to be smug about." You hate ALL teachers and ALL social workers because of the behaviour of a few half a century ago? Blimey. | |||
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"You talk about hatred for schoolteachers and social workers. On that you are damned right. I have hated them both ever since I was a kid and my mother was bringing up 3 of us on her own. Unappreciated? They bring it upon themselves, nothing could even begin to change my mind about either profession. QED. You didn't prove anything, I admitted that I hate teachers and social workers. You have nothing to be smug about. You hate ALL teachers and ALL social workers because of the behaviour of a few half a century ago? Blimey. " Half a century ago? How old exactly do you think I am? | |||
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"To take on board a world view and not to denigrate others? So what happens if the parents have already taught them to take on board a strictly national view, and to not give a toss about the possibility that some others might feel denigrated by that? I would wager that you would attempt to change that child, maybe even get straight on the phone to the old SS? We deal with children and young people who come from backgrounds that are far less tolerant than we would hope for. That WOULD NOT be a reason to involve Social Services at all. In fact, locally, our Social Services are far busier dealing with much more serious matters. Believe me. I am actually saddened that you believe there is a whole conspiracy about this. I can't speak for the teaching and caring profession as a whole, but all I can say is, whilst I would challenge intolerant views, I would never criticise the family from where those views may come. Psychologically, what is learned can be unlearned. I have always been impressed by the children and young people with whom I have worked because on the whole they are far more open-minded than wider society would give them credit for. I am equally as impressed when I work alongside colleagues who are passionate about making a difference in the lives of others based on empathy with the world at large. Including empathising and understanding views that may disagree with their own. But you can't help but say you would challenge "intolerant" veiws, then you say what I'd learned can be unlearned. After those statements, how can you say that you are not attempting to brainwash children to follow the narrative of political correctness? You are not convincing me, not that you need to, or that you ever would. I have my own experiences, both as a child and a parent of five wonderful children. The biggest challenges I have ever faced have been because of interference from the education authorities and social services." Being honest, you seem quite happy picking apart the choice of vocabulary I am using and attempting to use it against me. If someone used language like: "All women are slags and good for nothing but fucking." I would have several choices open to me - - Exclude them, thus cutting off their other options -Dialogue with then about why they have a view like that, then discussing the importance of not using language and expressing views like that - Ignore it and allow their view to go unchecked. That is what I mean by challenge intolerant views. Likewise racism, homophobia etc etc The way you are talking you'd be happy for people to say and do what they want? You are not making sense, but I can see also you are not wanting to take on board anyone else's views. Can I ask you, as a parent, if you had workmen in your home discussing loudly their see lives in less than pleasant language, would you challenge them? The reason I ask should be self explanatory. | |||
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"You talk about hatred for schoolteachers and social workers. On that you are damned right. I have hated them both ever since I was a kid and my mother was bringing up 3 of us on her own. Unappreciated? They bring it upon themselves, nothing could even begin to change my mind about either profession. QED. You didn't prove anything, I admitted that I hate teachers and social workers. You have nothing to be smug about. You hate ALL teachers and ALL social workers because of the behaviour of a few half a century ago? Blimey. Half a century ago? How old exactly do you think I am?" Your profile said you were 50 when I looked at it. If you're 50, you were a child half a century ago. | |||
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"You talk about hatred for schoolteachers and social workers. On that you are damned right. I have hated them both ever since I was a kid and my mother was bringing up 3 of us on her own. Unappreciated? They bring it upon themselves, nothing could even begin to change my mind about either profession. QED. You didn't prove anything, I admitted that I hate teachers and social workers. You have nothing to be smug about. You hate ALL teachers and ALL social workers because of the behaviour of a few half a century ago? Blimey. Half a century ago? How old exactly do you think I am? Your profile said you were 50 when I looked at it. If you're 50, you were a child half a century ago." No, I was a baby half a century ago, the shit I got as a kid was when I was a teenager in the 1980's. They were messing with my own children much more recently... | |||
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"You talk about hatred for schoolteachers and social workers. On that you are damned right. I have hated them both ever since I was a kid and my mother was bringing up 3 of us on her own. Unappreciated? They bring it upon themselves, nothing could even begin to change my mind about either profession. QED. You didn't prove anything, I admitted that I hate teachers and social workers. You have nothing to be smug about. You hate ALL teachers and ALL social workers because of the behaviour of a few half a century ago? Blimey. Half a century ago? How old exactly do you think I am? Your profile said you were 50 when I looked at it. If you're 50, you were a child half a century ago. No, I was a baby half a century ago, the shit I got as a kid was when I was a teenager in the 1980's. They were messing with my own children much more recently..." Oh ok, you said "kid". Even the 1980s is up to 36 years ago. Probably time to get over it. | |||
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"To take on board a world view and not to denigrate others? So what happens if the parents have already taught them to take on board a strictly national view, and to not give a toss about the possibility that some others might feel denigrated by that? I would wager that you would attempt to change that child, maybe even get straight on the phone to the old SS? We deal with children and young people who come from backgrounds that are far less tolerant than we would hope for. That WOULD NOT be a reason to involve Social Services at all. In fact, locally, our Social Services are far busier dealing with much more serious matters. Believe me. I am actually saddened that you believe there is a whole conspiracy about this. I can't speak for the teaching and caring profession as a whole, but all I can say is, whilst I would challenge intolerant views, I would never criticise the family from where those views may come. Psychologically, what is learned can be unlearned. I have always been impressed by the children and young people with whom I have worked because on the whole they are far more open-minded than wider society would give them credit for. I am equally as impressed when I work alongside colleagues who are passionate about making a difference in the lives of others based on empathy with the world at large. Including empathising and understanding views that may disagree with their own. But you can't help but say you would challenge "intolerant" veiws, then you say what I'd learned can be unlearned. After those statements, how can you say that you are not attempting to brainwash children to follow the narrative of political correctness? You are not convincing me, not that you need to, or that you ever would. I have my own experiences, both as a child and a parent of five wonderful children. The biggest challenges I have ever faced have been because of interference from the education authorities and social services. Being honest, you seem quite happy picking apart the choice of vocabulary I am using and attempting to use it against me. If someone used language like: "All women are slags and good for nothing but fucking." I would have several choices open to me - - Exclude them, thus cutting off their other options -Dialogue with then about why they have a view like that, then discussing the importance of not using language and expressing views like that - Ignore it and allow their view to go unchecked. That is what I mean by challenge intolerant views. Likewise racism, homophobia etc etc The way you are talking you'd be happy for people to say and do what they want? You are not making sense, but I can see also you are not wanting to take on board anyone else's views. Can I ask you, as a parent, if you had workmen in your home discussing loudly their see lives in less than pleasant language, would you challenge them? The reason I ask should be self explanatory. " In my home I would tell them to shut up or fuck off. That has nothing to do with the way teachers manipulate children at school. My home is my home, at school you are responsible for teaching other people's children. Making sure that they are all PC drones is not proper teaching. Oh and the three Rs should be reading, writing, and arithmetic. Yes I know they don't all begin with the letter R, but that is what it used to mean, and should be the basis of all education. Honestly, that teachers think they have the responsibility to teach morals to our children is really a bug bear of mine. Teachers should be teaching children academically, leave the other stuff to their parents, that is the way it should be! | |||
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"You talk about hatred for schoolteachers and social workers. On that you are damned right. I have hated them both ever since I was a kid and my mother was bringing up 3 of us on her own. Unappreciated? They bring it upon themselves, nothing could even begin to change my mind about either profession. QED. You didn't prove anything, I admitted that I hate teachers and social workers. You have nothing to be smug about. You hate ALL teachers and ALL social workers because of the behaviour of a few half a century ago? Blimey. Half a century ago? How old exactly do you think I am? Your profile said you were 50 when I looked at it. If you're 50, you were a child half a century ago. No, I was a baby half a century ago, the shit I got as a kid was when I was a teenager in the 1980's. They were messing with my own children much more recently... Oh ok, you said "kid". Even the 1980s is up to 36 years ago. Probably time to get over it." Whatever, you pick and choose which part of my post to answer, as I said before they have singled out my own children, and by doing so myself in much more recent times. Indeed they still do. For a couple of years if was full on, now not so much but I still have to put up with some interference. They won't completely leave me alone until my youngest son leaves school. So yeah, I fucking detest them, nothing more to add at this moment. | |||
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"To take on board a world view and not to denigrate others? So what happens if the parents have already taught them to take on board a strictly national view, and to not give a toss about the possibility that some others might feel denigrated by that? I would wager that you would attempt to change that child, maybe even get straight on the phone to the old SS? We deal with children and young people who come from backgrounds that are far less tolerant than we would hope for. That WOULD NOT be a reason to involve Social Services at all. In fact, locally, our Social Services are far busier dealing with much more serious matters. Believe me. I am actually saddened that you believe there is a whole conspiracy about this. I can't speak for the teaching and caring profession as a whole, but all I can say is, whilst I would challenge intolerant views, I would never criticise the family from where those views may come. Psychologically, what is learned can be unlearned. I have always been impressed by the children and young people with whom I have worked because on the whole they are far more open-minded than wider society would give them credit for. I am equally as impressed when I work alongside colleagues who are passionate about making a difference in the lives of others based on empathy with the world at large. Including empathising and understanding views that may disagree with their own. But you can't help but say you would challenge "intolerant" veiws, then you say what I'd learned can be unlearned. After those statements, how can you say that you are not attempting to brainwash children to follow the narrative of political correctness? You are not convincing me, not that you need to, or that you ever would. I have my own experiences, both as a child and a parent of five wonderful children. The biggest challenges I have ever faced have been because of interference from the education authorities and social services. Being honest, you seem quite happy picking apart the choice of vocabulary I am using and attempting to use it against me. If someone used language like: "All women are slags and good for nothing but fucking." I would have several choices open to me - - Exclude them, thus cutting off their other options -Dialogue with then about why they have a view like that, then discussing the importance of not using language and expressing views like that - Ignore it and allow their view to go unchecked. That is what I mean by challenge intolerant views. Likewise racism, homophobia etc etc The way you are talking you'd be happy for people to say and do what they want? You are not making sense, but I can see also you are not wanting to take on board anyone else's views. Can I ask you, as a parent, if you had workmen in your home discussing loudly their see lives in less than pleasant language, would you challenge them? The reason I ask should be self explanatory. In my home I would tell them to shut up or fuck off. That has nothing to do with the way teachers manipulate children at school. My home is my home, at school you are responsible for teaching other people's children. Making sure that they are all PC drones is not proper teaching. Oh and the three Rs should be reading, writing, and arithmetic. Yes I know they don't all begin with the letter R, but that is what it used to mean, and should be the basis of all education. Honestly, that teachers think they have the responsibility to teach morals to our children is really a bug bear of mine. Teachers should be teaching children academically, leave the other stuff to their parents, that is the way it should be!" If you believe you can teach children academically alone, then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Did you know some children start school still in nappy? Unable to wash their hands after going to the toilet? Not sure about good manners and when to say please and thank you. They are all responsibilities handed on to teachers and support staff. As for the 3 Rs, I didn't mean the ones I spoke about replaced the original ones. You've chosen again to take on board what you want to. The answer you gave about people speaking improperly in your home WOULD NOT WORK in a school situation would it. If a teacher said that to your child, you'd probably be down at the school and then opening a thread on here about it. Education is for the whole of life, not just about reading and writing and arithmetic. Life skills. We all have to live by them, don't we? | |||
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"You talk about hatred for schoolteachers and social workers. On that you are damned right. I have hated them both ever since I was a kid and my mother was bringing up 3 of us on her own. Unappreciated? They bring it upon themselves, nothing could even begin to change my mind about either profession. QED. You didn't prove anything, I admitted that I hate teachers and social workers. You have nothing to be smug about. You hate ALL teachers and ALL social workers because of the behaviour of a few half a century ago? Blimey. Half a century ago? How old exactly do you think I am? Your profile said you were 50 when I looked at it. If you're 50, you were a child half a century ago. No, I was a baby half a century ago, the shit I got as a kid was when I was a teenager in the 1980's. They were messing with my own children much more recently... Oh ok, you said "kid". Even the 1980s is up to 36 years ago. Probably time to get over it. Whatever, you pick and choose which part of my post to answer, as I said before they have singled out my own children, and by doing so myself in much more recent times. Indeed they still do. For a couple of years if was full on, now not so much but I still have to put up with some interference. They won't completely leave me alone until my youngest son leaves school. So yeah, I fucking detest them, nothing more to add at this moment." How am I picking and choosing? The post I responded to referred to your mother and when you were a kid and said nothing about your own children. Not that this changes my view anyway. | |||
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"To take on board a world view and not to denigrate others? So what happens if the parents have already taught them to take on board a strictly national view, and to not give a toss about the possibility that some others might feel denigrated by that? I would wager that you would attempt to change that child, maybe even get straight on the phone to the old SS? We deal with children and young people who come from backgrounds that are far less tolerant than we would hope for. That WOULD NOT be a reason to involve Social Services at all. In fact, locally, our Social Services are far busier dealing with much more serious matters. Believe me. I am actually saddened that you believe there is a whole conspiracy about this. I can't speak for the teaching and caring profession as a whole, but all I can say is, whilst I would challenge intolerant views, I would never criticise the family from where those views may come. Psychologically, what is learned can be unlearned. I have always been impressed by the children and young people with whom I have worked because on the whole they are far more open-minded than wider society would give them credit for. I am equally as impressed when I work alongside colleagues who are passionate about making a difference in the lives of others based on empathy with the world at large. Including empathising and understanding views that may disagree with their own. But you can't help but say you would challenge "intolerant" veiws, then you say what I'd learned can be unlearned. After those statements, how can you say that you are not attempting to brainwash children to follow the narrative of political correctness? You are not convincing me, not that you need to, or that you ever would. I have my own experiences, both as a child and a parent of five wonderful children. The biggest challenges I have ever faced have been because of interference from the education authorities and social services. Being honest, you seem quite happy picking apart the choice of vocabulary I am using and attempting to use it against me. If someone used language like: "All women are slags and good for nothing but fucking." I would have several choices open to me - - Exclude them, thus cutting off their other options -Dialogue with then about why they have a view like that, then discussing the importance of not using language and expressing views like that - Ignore it and allow their view to go unchecked. That is what I mean by challenge intolerant views. Likewise racism, homophobia etc etc The way you are talking you'd be happy for people to say and do what they want? You are not making sense, but I can see also you are not wanting to take on board anyone else's views. Can I ask you, as a parent, if you had workmen in your home discussing loudly their see lives in less than pleasant language, would you challenge them? The reason I ask should be self explanatory. In my home I would tell them to shut up or fuck off. That has nothing to do with the way teachers manipulate children at school. My home is my home, at school you are responsible for teaching other people's children. Making sure that they are all PC drones is not proper teaching. Oh and the three Rs should be reading, writing, and arithmetic. Yes I know they don't all begin with the letter R, but that is what it used to mean, and should be the basis of all education. Honestly, that teachers think they have the responsibility to teach morals to our children is really a bug bear of mine. Teachers should be teaching children academically, leave the other stuff to their parents, that is the way it should be! If you believe you can teach children academically alone, then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Did you know some children start school still in nappy? Unable to wash their hands after going to the toilet? Not sure about good manners and when to say please and thank you. They are all responsibilities handed on to teachers and support staff. As for the 3 Rs, I didn't mean the ones I spoke about replaced the original ones. You've chosen again to take on board what you want to. The answer you gave about people speaking improperly in your home WOULD NOT WORK in a school situation would it. If a teacher said that to your child, you'd probably be down at the school and then opening a thread on here about it. Education is for the whole of life, not just about reading and writing and arithmetic. Life skills. We all have to live by them, don't we? " Whereas I don't envy that teachers have to teach other people's children basic hygiene, I would sincerely hate that. I still don't believe that you should be influencing then morally. I also doubt very much that you would ever attempt to "challenge" anything you heard come out of the mouths of any Muslim children. 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"You talk about hatred for schoolteachers and social workers. On that you are damned right. I have hated them both ever since I was a kid and my mother was bringing up 3 of us on her own. Unappreciated? They bring it upon themselves, nothing could even begin to change my mind about either profession. QED. You didn't prove anything, I admitted that I hate teachers and social workers. You have nothing to be smug about. You hate ALL teachers and ALL social workers because of the behaviour of a few half a century ago? Blimey. Half a century ago? How old exactly do you think I am? Your profile said you were 50 when I looked at it. If you're 50, you were a child half a century ago. No, I was a baby half a century ago, the shit I got as a kid was when I was a teenager in the 1980's. They were messing with my own children much more recently... Oh ok, you said "kid". Even the 1980s is up to 36 years ago. Probably time to get over it. Whatever, you pick and choose which part of my post to answer, as I said before they have singled out my own children, and by doing so myself in much more recent times. Indeed they still do. For a couple of years if was full on, now not so much but I still have to put up with some interference. They won't completely leave me alone until my youngest son leaves school. So yeah, I fucking detest them, nothing more to add at this moment. How am I picking and choosing? The post I responded to referred to your mother and when you were a kid and said nothing about your own children. Not that this changes my view anyway. " Why would I want to change your view? If have to care first. | |||
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I'm still not really any wiser as to what is so horrible about having liberal opinions. I had always assumed that the term descried with open and relativy unjudgemntal opinions on a range of topics.
It seems that they are actually fascists. Who knew?
So what is the new term to describe someone who doesn't mind if someone has another opinion to their own assuming it causes no harm?
I'm also still wondering how kicking the system helps? Brexit, Trumpton.
I know some people say it can't get worse. It really can. We are surrounded by examples of worse from Syria to Somalia.
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"To take on board a world view and not to denigrate others? So what happens if the parents have already taught them to take on board a strictly national view, and to not give a toss about the possibility that some others might feel denigrated by that? I would wager that you would attempt to change that child, maybe even get straight on the phone to the old SS? We deal with children and young people who come from backgrounds that are far less tolerant than we would hope for. That WOULD NOT be a reason to involve Social Services at all. In fact, locally, our Social Services are far busier dealing with much more serious matters. Believe me. I am actually saddened that you believe there is a whole conspiracy about this. I can't speak for the teaching and caring profession as a whole, but all I can say is, whilst I would challenge intolerant views, I would never criticise the family from where those views may come. Psychologically, what is learned can be unlearned. I have always been impressed by the children and young people with whom I have worked because on the whole they are far more open-minded than wider society would give them credit for. I am equally as impressed when I work alongside colleagues who are passionate about making a difference in the lives of others based on empathy with the world at large. Including empathising and understanding views that may disagree with their own. But you can't help but say you would challenge "intolerant" veiws, then you say what I'd learned can be unlearned. After those statements, how can you say that you are not attempting to brainwash children to follow the narrative of political correctness? You are not convincing me, not that you need to, or that you ever would. I have my own experiences, both as a child and a parent of five wonderful children. The biggest challenges I have ever faced have been because of interference from the education authorities and social services. Being honest, you seem quite happy picking apart the choice of vocabulary I am using and attempting to use it against me. If someone used language like: "All women are slags and good for nothing but fucking." I would have several choices open to me - - Exclude them, thus cutting off their other options -Dialogue with then about why they have a view like that, then discussing the importance of not using language and expressing views like that - Ignore it and allow their view to go unchecked. That is what I mean by challenge intolerant views. Likewise racism, homophobia etc etc The way you are talking you'd be happy for people to say and do what they want? You are not making sense, but I can see also you are not wanting to take on board anyone else's views. Can I ask you, as a parent, if you had workmen in your home discussing loudly their see lives in less than pleasant language, would you challenge them? The reason I ask should be self explanatory. In my home I would tell them to shut up or fuck off. That has nothing to do with the way teachers manipulate children at school. My home is my home, at school you are responsible for teaching other people's children. Making sure that they are all PC drones is not proper teaching. Oh and the three Rs should be reading, writing, and arithmetic. Yes I know they don't all begin with the letter R, but that is what it used to mean, and should be the basis of all education. Honestly, that teachers think they have the responsibility to teach morals to our children is really a bug bear of mine. Teachers should be teaching children academically, leave the other stuff to their parents, that is the way it should be! If you believe you can teach children academically alone, then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Did you know some children start school still in nappy? Unable to wash their hands after going to the toilet? Not sure about good manners and when to say please and thank you. They are all responsibilities handed on to teachers and support staff. As for the 3 Rs, I didn't mean the ones I spoke about replaced the original ones. You've chosen again to take on board what you want to. The answer you gave about people speaking improperly in your home WOULD NOT WORK in a school situation would it. If a teacher said that to your child, you'd probably be down at the school and then opening a thread on here about it. Education is for the whole of life, not just about reading and writing and arithmetic. Life skills. We all have to live by them, don't we? Whereas I don't envy that teachers have to teach other people's children basic hygiene, I would sincerely hate that. I still don't believe that you should be influencing then morally. I also doubt very much that you would ever attempt to "challenge" anything you heard come out of the mouths of any Muslim children. 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"Think that white people are somehow privileged and would like to see the proportion of white people decline (despite being the global minority)" White people are privileged, in that they are vanishingly unlikely to be a victim of racism (be in personal or systemic). That doesn't mean that all white people have it easy, just that one facet of life isn't a problem for them. As to anyone wanting the proportion of white people to decline, who on earth has stated that as a goal of the left? What nonsense. | |||
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"Think that white people are somehow privileged and would like to see the proportion of white people decline (despite being the global minority) White people are privileged, in that they are vanishingly unlikely to be a victim of racism (be in personal or systemic). That doesn't mean that all white people have it easy, just that one facet of life isn't a problem for them. As to anyone wanting the proportion of white people to decline, who on earth has stated that as a goal of the left? What nonsense. " The entire PC narrative has made sure that white people are neither "privileged" or even near to the front of the queue for anything. The left would be happy if we were totally purged from the face of the earth. | |||
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"Think that white people are somehow privileged and would like to see the proportion of white people decline (despite being the global minority) White people are privileged, in that they are vanishingly unlikely to be a victim of racism (be in personal or systemic). That doesn't mean that all white people have it easy, just that one facet of life isn't a problem for them. As to anyone wanting the proportion of white people to decline, who on earth has stated that as a goal of the left? What nonsense. The entire PC narrative has made sure that white people are neither "privileged" or even near to the front of the queue for anything. The left would be happy if we were totally purged from the face of the earth." This is just hyperbolic, self-pitying, persecution complex nonsense. I'm honestly sorry you have to live with these ridiculous ideas. | |||
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"Think that white people are somehow privileged and would like to see the proportion of white people decline (despite being the global minority) White people are privileged, in that they are vanishingly unlikely to be a victim of racism (be in personal or systemic). That doesn't mean that all white people have it easy, just that one facet of life isn't a problem for them. As to anyone wanting the proportion of white people to decline, who on earth has stated that as a goal of the left? What nonsense. The entire PC narrative has made sure that white people are neither "privileged" or even near to the front of the queue for anything. The left would be happy if we were totally purged from the face of the earth. This is just hyperbolic, self-pitying, persecution complex nonsense. I'm honestly sorry you have to live with these ridiculous ideas. " I'm not, that is because I am right and prepared. Thank you. | |||
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"Think that white people are somehow privileged and would like to see the proportion of white people decline (despite being the global minority) White people are privileged, in that they are vanishingly unlikely to be a victim of racism (be in personal or systemic). That doesn't mean that all white people have it easy, just that one facet of life isn't a problem for them. As to anyone wanting the proportion of white people to decline, who on earth has stated that as a goal of the left? What nonsense. The entire PC narrative has made sure that white people are neither "privileged" or even near to the front of the queue for anything. The left would be happy if we were totally purged from the face of the earth. This is just hyperbolic, self-pitying, persecution complex nonsense. I'm honestly sorry you have to live with these ridiculous ideas. I'm not, that is because I am right and prepared. Thank you." Sure. The left hates white people so much it selected Jeremy Corbyn and Hillary Clinton (for all their obvious faults) to lead their parties. Enjoy your weird and paranoid little world. | |||
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"Think that white people are somehow privileged and would like to see the proportion of white people decline (despite being the global minority) White people are privileged, in that they are vanishingly unlikely to be a victim of racism (be in personal or systemic). That doesn't mean that all white people have it easy, just that one facet of life isn't a problem for them. As to anyone wanting the proportion of white people to decline, who on earth has stated that as a goal of the left? What nonsense. The entire PC narrative has made sure that white people are neither "privileged" or even near to the front of the queue for anything. The left would be happy if we were totally purged from the face of the earth. This is just hyperbolic, self-pitying, persecution complex nonsense. I'm honestly sorry you have to live with these ridiculous ideas. I'm not, that is because I am right and prepared. Thank you. Sure. The left hates white people so much it selected Jeremy Corbyn and Hillary Clinton (for all their obvious faults) to lead their parties. Enjoy your weird and paranoid little world." Clinton and Corbyn are self loathing shitbags, so no surprise that they are champions of the left. | |||
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"It's the children of simpletons I feel sorry for, what chance have they got in life if their role models are like Dumb and Dumber? Stupid breeds stupid.....breeds stupid "  | |||
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"The Loberals discust me,enough has been said about them here so I will leave it at that,they are so so selfish it is hard to believe" What is inherently selfish about Liberalism? | |||
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"The Loberals discust me,enough has been said about them here so I will leave it at that,they are so so selfish it is hard to believe What is inherently selfish about Liberalism? " because it doesn't actually exist, other than in the minds of those who consider themselves to be so in an attempt to make themselves feel better about themselves | |||
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"It's the children of simpletons I feel sorry for, what chance have they got in life if their role models are like Dumb and Dumber? Stupid breeds stupid.....breeds stupid " And you should know that! | |||
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"The Loberals discust me,enough has been said about them here so I will leave it at that,they are so so selfish it is hard to believe What is inherently selfish about Liberalism? because it doesn't actually exist, other than in the minds of those who consider themselves to be so in an attempt to make themselves feel better about themselves" So, is that selfish? Isn't it misguided, or pointless? I don't consider myself to be "a Liberal", I just don't quite understand the choice of words being used here. | |||
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"Teachers should be teaching children academically, leave the other stuff to their parents, that is the way it should be!" Teachers are for many the first point of regular sustained contact between a child and professional with behavioural training. For many abused and damaged children with behavioural problems it is the first opportunity to be identified and either helped or removed depending on the problems found. You are saying that teachers should not identify and report problems. Therefore you are saying that child abusers should be allowed to do as they like provided they are clever enough to keep their crimes hidden from the police and doctors. Want to reconsider your position? | |||
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"Anyone who works in education will know that with the government's 'closing the gap agenda' white British boys are the focus and where most of the money is going. Sadly, a fair proportion come from families where education or teaching professionals are not valued or respected. Education includes modelling how to respect all people as well as teaching all children to read, write and number, maths skills .... as well as about the world around and skills for life. It is doubtful certain people on this thread have the respect the engage with those who share the task of providing their children with the skills they need to live a fruitful and valued life ..... " ^ This ^ | |||
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"It's the children of simpletons I feel sorry for, what chance have they got in life if their role models are like Dumb and Dumber? Stupid breeds stupid.....breeds stupid It's genes too. Sadly. We know intelligence come from both genes and the environment. " | |||
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"It's the children of simpletons I feel sorry for, what chance have they got in life if their role models are like Dumb and Dumber? Stupid breeds stupid.....breeds stupid It's genes too. Sadly. We know intelligence come from both genes and the environment. " True but... The environment is the most important factor, no matter how great or limited the potential, it needs to be nourished. No baby is born with fear or prejudice these are learned, as are most personality traits (and in the first 3/4 years). The reason that the children of well educated parents do better than those of the less educated is down to the educated know things like this, if not through their formal education through the baby/early years books they read when they find out they are about to be parents. Breaking bad cycles is not hard, it takes a little effort and education, the shame is that our political king makers think a penny off the tax rate they and their mates pay is more valuable than a functional society. How did we lose rather than build on the Quaker social conscience that emerged in the Victorian era? | |||
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"The Loberals discust me,enough has been said about them here so I will leave it at that,they are so so selfish it is hard to believe What is inherently selfish about Liberalism? because it doesn't actually exist, other than in the minds of those who consider themselves to be so in an attempt to make themselves feel better about themselves So, is that selfish? Isn't it misguided, or pointless? I don't consider myself to be "a Liberal", I just don't quite understand the choice of words being used here. " Because it is all about self. Wanting yourself to look good or feel good about yourself. Or to gain from the work of others rather than yourself. Liberalism - the bigoted and ignorant view that any differing opinion is bigoted and ignorant | |||
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"The Loberals discust me,enough has been said about them here so I will leave it at that,they are so so selfish it is hard to believe" Wow... Liberal - Adjective ....... Willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas..... Just how exactly can that be selfish??? | |||
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"The Loberals discust me,enough has been said about them here so I will leave it at that,they are so so selfish it is hard to believe What is inherently selfish about Liberalism? because it doesn't actually exist, other than in the minds of those who consider themselves to be so in an attempt to make themselves feel better about themselves So, is that selfish? Isn't it misguided, or pointless? I don't consider myself to be "a Liberal", I just don't quite understand the choice of words being used here. Because it is all about self. Wanting yourself to look good or feel good about yourself. Or to gain from the work of others rather than yourself. Liberalism - the bigoted and ignorant view that any differing opinion is bigoted and ignorant" I don't think the word means what you think it means. Even if you'd like it to. | |||
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"The Loberals discust me,enough has been said about them here so I will leave it at that,they are so so selfish it is hard to believe Wow... Liberal - Adjective ....... Willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas..... Just how exactly can that be selfish??? " | |||
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"Think that white people are somehow privileged and would like to see the proportion of white people decline (despite being the global minority) White people are privileged, in that they are vanishingly unlikely to be a victim of racism (be in personal or systemic). That doesn't mean that all white people have it easy, just that one facet of life isn't a problem for them. As to anyone wanting the proportion of white people to decline, who on earth has stated that as a goal of the left? What nonsense. The entire PC narrative has made sure that white people are neither "privileged" or even near to the front of the queue for anything. The left would be happy if we were totally purged from the face of the earth. This is just hyperbolic, self-pitying, persecution complex nonsense. I'm honestly sorry you have to live with these ridiculous ideas. I'm not, that is because I am right and prepared. Thank you. Sure. The left hates white people so much it selected Jeremy Corbyn and Hillary Clinton (for all their obvious faults) to lead their parties. Enjoy your weird and paranoid little world. Clinton and Corbyn are self loathing shitbags, so no surprise that they are champions of the left." So your theory is that white liberals hate white people so much that they vote for white leaders because they know that these white leaders hate themselves for being white? This is quite entertaining. | |||
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"The Loberals discust me,enough has been said about them here so I will leave it at that,they are so so selfish it is hard to believe Wow... Liberal - Adjective ....... Willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas..... Just how exactly can that be selfish??? " this.. | |||
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"The Loberals discust me,enough has been said about them here so I will leave it at that,they are so so selfish it is hard to believe What is inherently selfish about Liberalism? because it doesn't actually exist, other than in the minds of those who consider themselves to be so in an attempt to make themselves feel better about themselves So, is that selfish? Isn't it misguided, or pointless? I don't consider myself to be "a Liberal", I just don't quite understand the choice of words being used here. Because it is all about self. Wanting yourself to look good or feel good about yourself. Or to gain from the work of others rather than yourself. Liberalism - the bigoted and ignorant view that any differing opinion is bigoted and ignorant I don't think the word means what you think it means. Even if you'd like it to." I rest my case | |||
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"The Loberals discust me,enough has been said about them here so I will leave it at that,they are so so selfish it is hard to believe What is inherently selfish about Liberalism? because it doesn't actually exist, other than in the minds of those who consider themselves to be so in an attempt to make themselves feel better about themselves So, is that selfish? Isn't it misguided, or pointless? I don't consider myself to be "a Liberal", I just don't quite understand the choice of words being used here. Because it is all about self. Wanting yourself to look good or feel good about yourself. Or to gain from the work of others rather than yourself. Liberalism - the bigoted and ignorant view that any differing opinion is bigoted and ignorant I don't think the word means what you think it means. Even if you'd like it to. I rest my case" How does that prove your case? If it's a dig at me, I've already said I don't consider myself a Liberal. If it's not a dig at me, I don't know what you are talking about. | |||
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"Think that white people are somehow privileged and would like to see the proportion of white people decline (despite being the global minority) White people are privileged, in that they are vanishingly unlikely to be a victim of racism (be in personal or systemic). That doesn't mean that all white people have it easy, just that one facet of life isn't a problem for them. As to anyone wanting the proportion of white people to decline, who on earth has stated that as a goal of the left? What nonsense. The entire PC narrative has made sure that white people are neither "privileged" or even near to the front of the queue for anything. The left would be happy if we were totally purged from the face of the earth. This is just hyperbolic, self-pitying, persecution complex nonsense. I'm honestly sorry you have to live with these ridiculous ideas. I'm not, that is because I am right and prepared. Thank you. Sure. The left hates white people so much it selected Jeremy Corbyn and Hillary Clinton (for all their obvious faults) to lead their parties. Enjoy your weird and paranoid little world. Clinton and Corbyn are self loathing shitbags, so no surprise that they are champions of the left. So your theory is that white liberals hate white people so much that they vote for white leaders because they know that these white leaders hate themselves for being white? This is quite entertaining." They consider themselves 'different' white people because they acknowledge some privilege they seem to think they have. Left wingers try to take ownership of words like 'tolerance' 'open minded' etc etc. How tolerant of Corbyn the Craw to refer to Hamas's as his friends: the very people who wish to drown all Jews in the Levant. | |||
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"The Loberals discust me,enough has been said about them here so I will leave it at that,they are so so selfish it is hard to believe Wow... Liberal - Adjective ....... Willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas..... Just how exactly can that be selfish??? " Does Webster Merriam dictate all your definitions? Connotations to different things are subjective. My idea of traditional liberalism is to be open minded about ideas that are not traditionally Judeo-Christian. Differ from them and you, by default, are considered a bigot. It's amazingly ironic and hypocritical. | |||
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"The Loberals discust me,enough has been said about them here so I will leave it at that,they are so so selfish it is hard to believe What is inherently selfish about Liberalism? because it doesn't actually exist, other than in the minds of those who consider themselves to be so in an attempt to make themselves feel better about themselves So, is that selfish? Isn't it misguided, or pointless? I don't consider myself to be "a Liberal", I just don't quite understand the choice of words being used here. Because it is all about self. Wanting yourself to look good or feel good about yourself. Or to gain from the work of others rather than yourself. Liberalism - the bigoted and ignorant view that any differing opinion is bigoted and ignorant I don't think the word means what you think it means. Even if you'd like it to. I rest my case How does that prove your case? If it's a dig at me, I've already said I don't consider myself a Liberal. If it's not a dig at me, I don't know what you are talking about." its not a dig but earlier in the thread you described yourself as socially liberal, so what does that mean? | |||
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"The Loberals discust me,enough has been said about them here so I will leave it at that,they are so so selfish it is hard to believe Wow... Liberal - Adjective ....... Willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas..... Just how exactly can that be selfish??? Does Webster Merriam dictate all your definitions? Connotations to different things are subjective. My idea of traditional liberalism is to be open minded about ideas that are not traditionally Judeo-Christian. Differ from them and you, by default, are considered a bigot. It's amazingly ironic and hypocritical." Only if all liberals adhere to your perception of what they are? Like any politics there are many different groups within what is the particular label | |||
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"The term 'liberal' has been high jacked by far-left "activists", we should actually just call them what they are - 'anarchists'. A long time ago, to be liberal was a good thing, as there was a lot going on that probably wasn't on and needed the defense of the human rights movement. Today, however, they stand for nothing. Bitterly angry at not being where they want to be in life, they need a scapegoat (sound familiar?) and that scapegoat is the successful class that has the life they wish they had, but are unwilling to work for. They claim to be tolerant, yet angrily try to shut down any argument that counters their own narrative with buzzwords like 'bigot,' racist', 'uneducated' and 'ignorant'. They claim to be anti-establishment, yet in the cases of both Brexit and US Election, rioted FOR the establishment and they claim to be for the working-class, yet when the working-class votes the opposite way to them, they start talking trash about them, labelling them hillbilly, morons,etc. Essentially, they are not "liberal" in any way shape or form, they are Nihilists, as they stand for absolutely nothing. " well said | |||
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"The term 'liberal' has been high jacked by far-left "activists", we should actually just call them what they are - 'anarchists'. A long time ago, to be liberal was a good thing, as there was a lot going on that probably wasn't on and needed the defense of the human rights movement. Today, however, they stand for nothing. Bitterly angry at not being where they want to be in life, they need a scapegoat (sound familiar?) and that scapegoat is the successful class that has the life they wish they had, but are unwilling to work for. They claim to be tolerant, yet angrily try to shut down any argument that counters their own narrative with buzzwords like 'bigot,' racist', 'uneducated' and 'ignorant'. They claim to be anti-establishment, yet in the cases of both Brexit and US Election, rioted FOR the establishment and they claim to be for the working-class, yet when the working-class votes the opposite way to them, they start talking trash about them, labelling them hillbilly, morons,etc. Essentially, they are not "liberal" in any way shape or form, they are Nihilists, as they stand for absolutely nothing. " When were these Brexit riots? I seem to have missed those. | |||
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"The term 'liberal' has been high jacked by far-left "activists", we should actually just call them what they are - 'anarchists'. A long time ago, to be liberal was a good thing, as there was a lot going on that probably wasn't on and needed the defense of the human rights movement. Today, however, they stand for nothing. Bitterly angry at not being where they want to be in life, they need a scapegoat (sound familiar?) and that scapegoat is the successful class that has the life they wish they had, but are unwilling to work for. They claim to be tolerant, yet angrily try to shut down any argument that counters their own narrative with buzzwords like 'bigot,' racist', 'uneducated' and 'ignorant'. They claim to be anti-establishment, yet in the cases of both Brexit and US Election, rioted FOR the establishment and they claim to be for the working-class, yet when the working-class votes the opposite way to them, they start talking trash about them, labelling them hillbilly, morons,etc. Essentially, they are not "liberal" in any way shape or form, they are Nihilists, as they stand for absolutely nothing. " Couldn't have said it better. | |||
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So actually we have probably identified language being a big part of the problem. Actual liberals are offended when lumped in with anarchists. There is not even an appropriate word for those who voted for Trump or Brexit but they certainly don't like being called racists or fascists because they aren't.
This is where over-zealous political correctness has also caused a reaction, I think. Personally I think that there is a benefit in feeling shame discussing acts of paedophilia or attacking someone purely due to their sexuality or skin colour or religion. It's not OK to call someone physically handicapped a spaz or someone mentally handicapped a retarded. Society disapproving of language that belittles people without justification changes society and makes it kinder and more civil because being "nice" is normal. Being nasty is not.
There is a danger associated with this which is in shutting down conversations about genuine concerns. Immigration or religious extremism. The problem is that the backlash against this problem is giving license for people to behave as if the hard won convention of addressing people politely and with courtesy, whoever they are, is being eroded. The people to stop this from happening are the people who really want the change that has come but don't want to be horrible to gays, Muslims, Jews, immigrants, women or anybody else. Liberals, and I mean actual liberals remember, cannot because they have somehow been lumped in with politicians, bankers communists and anarchists 
So those who voted for this change have to stand up and defend minorities whilst still discussing the issues that need to be discussed. Voting wasn't heroic, it was easy. Standing up for people you may not like because it's the right thing to do is heroic. Telling Britain First to go and **** itself whilst working out how to control immigration is heroic. Making people who choose to wear a headscarf feel welcome whilst attacking religious terrorists with extreme prejudice is heroic.
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"so if one is opposed to racism, homophobia etc one is therefore a liberal and also a fascist? learn something new in the post brexit Orwellian dystopia that some seem to have decided is the new speak in politics.." no, one can be opposed to racism, homophobia etc without being a liberal, the difference is liberals think that you MUST be opposed to those things or they will attack you for it, so basically liberals aren't really that liberal at all, more fascist | |||
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"The term 'liberal' has been high jacked by far-left "activists", we should actually just call them what they are - 'anarchists'. A long time ago, to be liberal was a good thing, as there was a lot going on that probably wasn't on and needed the defense of the human rights movement. Today, however, they stand for nothing. Bitterly angry at not being where they want to be in life, they need a scapegoat (sound familiar?) and that scapegoat is the successful class that has the life they wish they had, but are unwilling to work for. They claim to be tolerant, yet angrily try to shut down any argument that counters their own narrative with buzzwords like 'bigot,' racist', 'uneducated' and 'ignorant'. They claim to be anti-establishment, yet in the cases of both Brexit and US Election, rioted FOR the establishment and they claim to be for the working-class, yet when the working-class votes the opposite way to them, they start talking trash about them, labelling them hillbilly, morons,etc. Essentially, they are not "liberal" in any way shape or form, they are Nihilists, as they stand for absolutely nothing. " Excellent post | |||
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"so if one is opposed to racism, homophobia etc one is therefore a liberal and also a fascist? learn something new in the post brexit Orwellian dystopia that some seem to have decided is the new speak in politics.. no, one can be opposed to racism, homophobia etc without being a liberal, the difference is liberals think that you MUST be opposed to those things or they will attack you for it, so basically liberals aren't really that liberal at all, more fascist" sweeping generalisation to say all liberals.. | |||
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"so if one is opposed to racism, homophobia etc one is therefore a liberal and also a fascist? learn something new in the post brexit Orwellian dystopia that some seem to have decided is the new speak in politics.. no, one can be opposed to racism, homophobia etc without being a liberal, the difference is liberals think that you MUST be opposed to those things or they will attack you for it, so basically liberals aren't really that liberal at all, more fascist sweeping generalisation to say all liberals.." Indeed. The triumph of Brexit and the Trumpster has placed us into a post truth society that is truly uncharted territory. A place where anything and everything can be stated as fact because to lie, to exagerate and to be wrong is now irrelevant. | |||
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"so if one is opposed to racism, homophobia etc one is therefore a liberal and also a fascist? learn something new in the post brexit Orwellian dystopia that some seem to have decided is the new speak in politics.. no, one can be opposed to racism, homophobia etc without being a liberal, the difference is liberals think that you MUST be opposed to those things or they will attack you for it, so basically liberals aren't really that liberal at all, more fascist sweeping generalisation to say all liberals.." This is only for "horrible" liberals. See the adjective. | |||
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"so if one is opposed to racism, homophobia etc one is therefore a liberal and also a fascist? learn something new in the post brexit Orwellian dystopia that some seem to have decided is the new speak in politics.. no, one can be opposed to racism, homophobia etc without being a liberal, the difference is liberals think that you MUST be opposed to those things or they will attack you for it, so basically liberals aren't really that liberal at all, more fascist sweeping generalisation to say all liberals.. Indeed. The triumph of Brexit and the Trumpster has placed us into a post truth society that is truly uncharted territory. A place where anything and everything can be stated as fact because to lie, to exagerate and to be wrong is now irrelevant." I assume you are talking about the wild claims made the remain side | |||
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"so if one is opposed to racism, homophobia etc one is therefore a liberal and also a fascist? learn something new in the post brexit Orwellian dystopia that some seem to have decided is the new speak in politics.. no, one can be opposed to racism, homophobia etc without being a liberal, the difference is liberals think that you MUST be opposed to those things or they will attack you for it, so basically liberals aren't really that liberal at all, more fascist sweeping generalisation to say all liberals.. Indeed. The triumph of Brexit and the Trumpster has placed us into a post truth society that is truly uncharted territory. A place where anything and everything can be stated as fact because to lie, to exagerate and to be wrong is now irrelevant." that's been the case for years. The referendum just brought it out into the open. You don't agree that the EU is good? You must be a Little Englander. Or thick. Or ignorant. Or racist. How can your opinion possibly be worth anything when it differs from ours? You shouldn't have even been allowed to vote. This decision is too important for the little people. They don't know what is good for them. And that's all fact isn't it? Or is that just the liberal belief? | |||
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"so if one is opposed to racism, homophobia etc one is therefore a liberal and also a fascist? learn something new in the post brexit Orwellian dystopia that some seem to have decided is the new speak in politics.. no, one can be opposed to racism, homophobia etc without being a liberal, the difference is liberals think that you MUST be opposed to those things or they will attack you for it, so basically liberals aren't really that liberal at all, more fascist sweeping generalisation to say all liberals.. Indeed. The triumph of Brexit and the Trumpster has placed us into a post truth society that is truly uncharted territory. A place where anything and everything can be stated as fact because to lie, to exagerate and to be wrong is now irrelevant. that's been the case for years. The referendum just brought it out into the open. You don't agree that the EU is good? You must be a Little Englander. Or thick. Or ignorant. Or racist. How can your opinion possibly be worth anything when it differs from ours? You shouldn't have even been allowed to vote. This decision is too important for the little people. They don't know what is good for them. And that's all fact isn't it? Or is that just the liberal belief?" You're judging a whole group of peole by those who are most vocal. All the liberals who accept it and move on do not say anything, so you won't hear anything or see anything in the media. Same as those vocal from Brexit or Trump. We judge by the loudest voices. Or by what the media says. It's human nature. | |||
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"so if one is opposed to racism, homophobia etc one is therefore a liberal and also a fascist? learn something new in the post brexit Orwellian dystopia that some seem to have decided is the new speak in politics.. no, one can be opposed to racism, homophobia etc without being a liberal, the difference is liberals think that you MUST be opposed to those things or they will attack you for it, so basically liberals aren't really that liberal at all, more fascist sweeping generalisation to say all liberals.. Indeed. The triumph of Brexit and the Trumpster has placed us into a post truth society that is truly uncharted territory. A place where anything and everything can be stated as fact because to lie, to exagerate and to be wrong is now irrelevant. that's been the case for years. The referendum just brought it out into the open. You don't agree that the EU is good? You must be a Little Englander. Or thick. Or ignorant. Or racist. How can your opinion possibly be worth anything when it differs from ours? You shouldn't have even been allowed to vote. This decision is too important for the little people. They don't know what is good for them. And that's all fact isn't it? Or is that just the liberal belief? You're judging a whole group of peole by those who are most vocal. All the liberals who accept it and move on do not say anything, so you won't hear anything or see anything in the media. Same as those vocal from Brexit or Trump. We judge by the loudest voices. Or by what the media says. It's human nature." fair point, but people are just sick of being put down by the establishment, the 'slebs', or whoever and are just fighting back | |||
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"so if one is opposed to racism, homophobia etc one is therefore a liberal and also a fascist? learn something new in the post brexit Orwellian dystopia that some seem to have decided is the new speak in politics.. no, one can be opposed to racism, homophobia etc without being a liberal, the difference is liberals think that you MUST be opposed to those things or they will attack you for it, so basically liberals aren't really that liberal at all, more fascist sweeping generalisation to say all liberals.. Indeed. The triumph of Brexit and the Trumpster has placed us into a post truth society that is truly uncharted territory. A place where anything and everything can be stated as fact because to lie, to exagerate and to be wrong is now irrelevant." How could Brexit or Trump have any relevance to the post truth society what ever that is .? In both of these cases victory was because the campaigns were open and honest with people . Many people still admire and respect tradional family values. | |||
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"That post was going well until the last 4 paragraphs. I really don't believe that BREXIT will fuck the country. It hasn't started yet, we are not even 2 years away from the completion of leaving the EU. It also looks as if the EU itself is going to the wall. I doubt there would be any different had our BREXIT vote, and there is a real chance they would have dragged us down with them. I did not mention BREXIT, because I was not referring to brexit, I was referring to the fact that PC is so bad we now often vote and act out of frustration because we feel that we have to stay silent when we are in control. Not healthy, but your brexit comment may be moot, I wonder how many brexit votes were a big 2 fingers to all the eaton posh boys? Mine was! My apologies, I just read the bit about voting to fuck the country and immediately thought about the rhetoric posted by certain individuals, one of which has gone very quiet lately. My vote was definitely a big two fingers, to a vast number of shit heads who think they have the right to tell us how to think, and even how to vote. Fuck em all spring to mind." I'm just letting you guys do all the running for now. Sometimes letting others speak and saying nothing yourself says far better what I want to say than anything I could possibly say myself. | |||
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"That post was going well until the last 4 paragraphs. I really don't believe that BREXIT will fuck the country. It hasn't started yet, we are not even 2 years away from the completion of leaving the EU. It also looks as if the EU itself is going to the wall. I doubt there would be any different had our BREXIT vote, and there is a real chance they would have dragged us down with them. I did not mention BREXIT, because I was not referring to brexit, I was referring to the fact that PC is so bad we now often vote and act out of frustration because we feel that we have to stay silent when we are in control. Not healthy, but your brexit comment may be moot, I wonder how many brexit votes were a big 2 fingers to all the eaton posh boys? Mine was! My apologies, I just read the bit about voting to fuck the country and immediately thought about the rhetoric posted by certain individuals, one of which has gone very quiet lately. My vote was definitely a big two fingers, to a vast number of shit heads who think they have the right to tell us how to think, and even how to vote. Fuck em all spring to mind. I'm just letting you guys do all the running for now. Sometimes letting others speak and saying nothing yourself says far better what I want to say than anything I could possibly say myself. " Indeed | |||
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"That post was going well until the last 4 paragraphs. I really don't believe that BREXIT will fuck the country. It hasn't started yet, we are not even 2 years away from the completion of leaving the EU. It also looks as if the EU itself is going to the wall. I doubt there would be any different had our BREXIT vote, and there is a real chance they would have dragged us down with them. I did not mention BREXIT, because I was not referring to brexit, I was referring to the fact that PC is so bad we now often vote and act out of frustration because we feel that we have to stay silent when we are in control. Not healthy, but your brexit comment may be moot, I wonder how many brexit votes were a big 2 fingers to all the eaton posh boys? Mine was! My apologies, I just read the bit about voting to fuck the country and immediately thought about the rhetoric posted by certain individuals, one of which has gone very quiet lately. My vote was definitely a big two fingers, to a vast number of shit heads who think they have the right to tell us how to think, and even how to vote. Fuck em all spring to mind. I'm just letting you guys do all the running for now. Sometimes letting others speak and saying nothing yourself says far better what I want to say than anything I could possibly say myself. "No, it really doesn't. When you don't post something, nobody on here thinks about you, remembers you or probably even cares whether you still exist. Get over yourself | |||
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"That post was going well until the last 4 paragraphs. I really don't believe that BREXIT will fuck the country. It hasn't started yet, we are not even 2 years away from the completion of leaving the EU. It also looks as if the EU itself is going to the wall. I doubt there would be any different had our BREXIT vote, and there is a real chance they would have dragged us down with them. I did not mention BREXIT, because I was not referring to brexit, I was referring to the fact that PC is so bad we now often vote and act out of frustration because we feel that we have to stay silent when we are in control. Not healthy, but your brexit comment may be moot, I wonder how many brexit votes were a big 2 fingers to all the eaton posh boys? Mine was! My apologies, I just read the bit about voting to fuck the country and immediately thought about the rhetoric posted by certain individuals, one of which has gone very quiet lately. My vote was definitely a big two fingers, to a vast number of shit heads who think they have the right to tell us how to think, and even how to vote. Fuck em all spring to mind. I'm just letting you guys do all the running for now. Sometimes letting others speak and saying nothing yourself says far better what I want to say than anything I could possibly say myself.
No, it really doesn't. When you don't post something, nobody on here thinks about you, remembers you or probably even cares whether you still exist. Get over yourself "So it doesn't show that some people voted in the EU referendum, you know, the one about membership of the EU, based on reasons that had absolutely fuck all to do with the EU? But if I suggest that some people voted on issues that were not the question on the ballot paper I'm "intolerant" or "elite". Sure. | |||
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"That post was going well until the last 4 paragraphs. I really don't believe that BREXIT will fuck the country. It hasn't started yet, we are not even 2 years away from the completion of leaving the EU. It also looks as if the EU itself is going to the wall. I doubt there would be any different had our BREXIT vote, and there is a real chance they would have dragged us down with them. I did not mention BREXIT, because I was not referring to brexit, I was referring to the fact that PC is so bad we now often vote and act out of frustration because we feel that we have to stay silent when we are in control. Not healthy, but your brexit comment may be moot, I wonder how many brexit votes were a big 2 fingers to all the eaton posh boys? Mine was! My apologies, I just read the bit about voting to fuck the country and immediately thought about the rhetoric posted by certain individuals, one of which has gone very quiet lately. My vote was definitely a big two fingers, to a vast number of shit heads who think they have the right to tell us how to think, and even how to vote. Fuck em all spring to mind. I'm just letting you guys do all the running for now. Sometimes letting others speak and saying nothing yourself says far better what I want to say than anything I could possibly say myself.
No, it really doesn't. When you don't post something, nobody on here thinks about you, remembers you or probably even cares whether you still exist. Get over yourself
So it doesn't show that some people voted in the EU referendum, you know, the one about membership of the EU, based on reasons that had absolutely fuck all to do with the EU? But if I suggest that some people voted on issues that were not the question on the ballot paper I'm "intolerant" or "elite". Sure."Are you responding to my post? | |||
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"Think that white people are somehow privileged and would like to see the proportion of white people decline (despite being the global minority) White people are privileged, in that they are vanishingly unlikely to be a victim of racism (be in personal or systemic). That doesn't mean that all white people have it easy, just that one facet of life isn't a problem for them. As to anyone wanting the proportion of white people to decline, who on earth has stated that as a goal of the left? What nonsense. The entire PC narrative has made sure that white people are neither "privileged" or even near to the front of the queue for anything. The left would be happy if we were totally purged from the face of the earth. This is just hyperbolic, self-pitying, persecution complex nonsense. I'm honestly sorry you have to live with these ridiculous ideas. I'm not, that is because I am right and prepared. Thank you. Sure. The left hates white people so much it selected Jeremy Corbyn and Hillary Clinton (for all their obvious faults) to lead their parties. Enjoy your weird and paranoid little world. Clinton and Corbyn are self loathing shitbags, so no surprise that they are champions of the left." Corbyn and Clinton are universes apart politically. It would be like saying Trump is racist because the KKK endorsed him rather that would he actually said about Mexicans. | |||
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That is why I keep away now ....
Really, it seems you can't keep away. "No comments though. Not interested in the debate any longer because it isn't a debate .... | |||
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"Wow. Nasty in 'ere.
That is why I keep away now ....
Really, it seems you can't keep away.
No comments though. Not interested in the debate any longer because it isn't a debate ...."And that is their aim, they preach freedom of speech.....as long as that speech agrees with them. | |||
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"Wow. Nasty in 'ere.
That is why I keep away now ....
Really, it seems you can't keep away.
No comments though. Not interested in the debate any longer because it isn't a debate ...."This whole forum has sunk under the weight of "Liberals are evil Fascists!" posts. It seems to be all the right wing posters have to say for themselves in topic after topic. Sad, really. | |||
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"Wow. Nasty in 'ere.
That is why I keep away now ....
Really, it seems you can't keep away.
No comments though. Not interested in the debate any longer because it isn't a debate ....
And that is their aim, they preach freedom of speech.....as long as that speech agrees with them.
"Agreed, but it just gets a bit tiring after a while. Prefer to do my bit in the real world rather than listen to the hate here | |||
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"Wow. Nasty in 'ere.
That is why I keep away now ....
Really, it seems you can't keep away.
No comments though. Not interested in the debate any longer because it isn't a debate ....
This whole forum has sunk under the weight of "Liberals are evil Fascists!" posts. It seems to be all the right wing posters have to say for themselves in topic after topic. Sad, really. "Obviously no complaints or reports though, so its okay as it's free speech ... I think we'll leave them to it | |||
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"tradional family values. ??? ???
Written by someone on a casual sex site!
Hilarious. "Hopefully no one would be foolish enough to think that fabswingers is a big part of their life. However traditional family values are important to most people . | |||
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"Wow. Nasty in 'ere.
That is why I keep away now ....
Really, it seems you can't keep away.
No comments though. Not interested in the debate any longer because it isn't a debate ....
And that is their aim, they preach freedom of speech.....as long as that speech agrees with them.
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"Wow. Nasty in 'ere.
That is why I keep away now ....
Really, it seems you can't keep away.
No comments though. Not interested in the debate any longer because it isn't a debate ....
And that is their aim, they preach freedom of speech.....as long as that speech agrees with them.
Agreed, but it just gets a bit tiring after a while. Prefer to do my bit in the real world rather than listen to the hate here"That is as may be. Today the trail of Thomas Mair, killer of MP Jo Cox heard that he "killed the mother-of-two for "political and/or ideological reasons", and had researched "far right" material in the weeks beforehand." Something has changed in this country. | |||
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""Sittin' around in your room feelin' maladjusted, smokin' mary jane, thinkin' you're gonna change the world? You gotta fight sometimes, people. You've gotta FIGHT." Alabama 3 live at the Astoria "Mao Tse Tung says" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpGgLyfDERI "You, totally agree .... can make much more of a difference there. | |||
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"Wow. Nasty in 'ere.
That is why I keep away now ....
Really, it seems you can't keep away.
No comments though. Not interested in the debate any longer because it isn't a debate ....
And that is their aim, they preach freedom of speech.....as long as that speech agrees with them.
Agreed, but it just gets a bit tiring after a while. Prefer to do my bit in the real world rather than listen to the hate here
That is as may be.
Today the trail of Thomas Mair, killer of MP Jo Cox heard that he "killed the mother-of-two for "political and/or ideological reasons", and had researched "far right" material in the weeks beforehand."
Something has changed in this country.
"One thing I think everyone on this forum will agree on is that Thomas Mair is scum, the lowest of the low. I hope they lock him up and throw away the key. He should rot in jail for the rest of his life. | |||
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"Wow. Nasty in 'ere.
That is why I keep away now ....
Really, it seems you can't keep away.
No comments though. Not interested in the debate any longer because it isn't a debate ....
And that is their aim, they preach freedom of speech.....as long as that speech agrees with them.
Agreed, but it just gets a bit tiring after a while. Prefer to do my bit in the real world rather than listen to the hate here
That is as may be.
Today the trail of Thomas Mair, killer of MP Jo Cox heard that he "killed the mother-of-two for "political and/or ideological reasons", and had researched "far right" material in the weeks beforehand."
Something has changed in this country.
One thing I think everyone on this forum will agree on is that Thomas Mair is scum, the lowest of the low. I hope they lock him up and throw away the key. He should rot in jail for the rest of his life. "Can we agree on what has nurtured the rise of people like him or the views he holds .... and the belief that it is okay to step over the line into action? | |||
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"Wow. Nasty in 'ere.
That is why I keep away now ....
Really, it seems you can't keep away.
No comments though. Not interested in the debate any longer because it isn't a debate ....
And that is their aim, they preach freedom of speech.....as long as that speech agrees with them.
And liberals preach tolerance, but they are only tolerant of people who agree with them. "Good point. Anything more constructive? | |||
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"Wow. Nasty in 'ere.
That is why I keep away now ....
Really, it seems you can't keep away.
No comments though. Not interested in the debate any longer because it isn't a debate ....
And that is their aim, they preach freedom of speech.....as long as that speech agrees with them.
Agreed, but it just gets a bit tiring after a while. Prefer to do my bit in the real world rather than listen to the hate here
That is as may be.
Today the trail of Thomas Mair, killer of MP Jo Cox heard that he "killed the mother-of-two for "political and/or ideological reasons", and had researched "far right" material in the weeks beforehand."
Something has changed in this country.
One thing I think everyone on this forum will agree on is that Thomas Mair is scum, the lowest of the low. I hope they lock him up and throw away the key. He should rot in jail for the rest of his life.
Can we agree on what has nurtured the rise of people like him or the views he holds .... and the belief that it is okay to step over the line into action?"Well it was reported on the news today that he researched the Ku klux Clan and the Nazis on a library computer in the weeks before the attack took place. May still be questions to be answered in the trial about the state of his mental health? It can never be ok to step over the line into the action he took though. Incidentally it's been reported in the press a Guardian newspaper reporter tweeted "Maybe time for another Presidential assassination" hours after Trump won the election, before she then deleted her twitter account. Is she then encouraging others with similar views to her to step over that line? | |||
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"Wow. Nasty in 'ere.
That is why I keep away now ....
Really, it seems you can't keep away.
No comments though. Not interested in the debate any longer because it isn't a debate ....
And that is their aim, they preach freedom of speech.....as long as that speech agrees with them.
And liberals preach tolerance, but they are only tolerant of people who agree with them.
Good point. Anything more constructive?"It was as constructive as the comment I replied to.....don't you think? | |||
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"Wow. Nasty in 'ere.
That is why I keep away now ....
Really, it seems you can't keep away.
No comments though. Not interested in the debate any longer because it isn't a debate ....
And that is their aim, they preach freedom of speech.....as long as that speech agrees with them.
And liberals preach tolerance, but they are only tolerant of people who agree with them.
Good point. Anything more constructive?
It was as constructive as the comment I replied to.....don't you think? "Don't reply to it then. So there's your challenge. What word can be used to describe a liberal as used in the dictionary as that is no use anymore? | |||
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"liberals preach tolerance, but they are only tolerant of people who agree with them. Good point. Anything more constructive?" I agree that there is now such a thing as a hardline Liberal, a person who adheres to political correctness with militant fervour. I also agree that people voted for Brexit and Trump on non-prejudicial grounds. But of course, quite a few people did vote on such a basis. How can anyone, regardless of their tolerance level, tolerate a person who opposes not merely their particular views and preferences, but their very philosophy? I'm sorry, but most Liberals will not embrace a person who voted for Brexit or Trump for prejudicial reasons, simply because they participated in a democratic process. That would be asking far too much of an ordinary human being. | |||
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"Wow. Nasty in 'ere.
That is why I keep away now ....
Really, it seems you can't keep away.
No comments though. Not interested in the debate any longer because it isn't a debate ....
And that is their aim, they preach freedom of speech.....as long as that speech agrees with them.
Agreed, but it just gets a bit tiring after a while. Prefer to do my bit in the real world rather than listen to the hate here
That is as may be.
Today the trail of Thomas Mair, killer of MP Jo Cox heard that he "killed the mother-of-two for "political and/or ideological reasons", and had researched "far right" material in the weeks beforehand."
Something has changed in this country.
One thing I think everyone on this forum will agree on is that Thomas Mair is scum, the lowest of the low. I hope they lock him up and throw away the key. He should rot in jail for the rest of his life.
Can we agree on what has nurtured the rise of people like him or the views he holds .... and the belief that it is okay to step over the line into action?
Well it was reported on the news today that he researched the Ku klux Clan and the Nazis on a library computer in the weeks before the attack took place. May still be questions to be answered in the trial about the state of his mental health?
It can never be ok to step over the line into the action he took though.
Incidentally it's been reported in the press a Guardian newspaper reporter tweeted "Maybe time for another Presidential assassination" hours after Trump won the election, before she then deleted her twitter account. Is she then encouraging others with similar views to her to step over that line? "No, she is reporting about what is likely to happen in the usa | |||
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"liberals preach tolerance, but they are only tolerant of people who agree with them. Good point. Anything more constructive? I agree that there is now such a thing as a hardline Liberal, a person who adheres to political correctness with militant fervour. I also agree that people voted for Brexit and Trump on non-prejudicial grounds. But of course, quite a few people did vote on such a basis. How can anyone, regardless of their tolerance level, tolerate a person who opposes not merely their particular views and preferences, but their very philosophy? I'm sorry, but most Liberals will not embrace a person who voted for Brexit or Trump for prejudicial reasons, simply because they participated in a democratic process. That would be asking far too much of an ordinary human being." It's perfectly possible. Not to embrace them, just accept that they have a different view of how to reach the same goal. Also, if you don't demonise each other you can at least work together to achieve the things that you agree on or compromise enough to achieve something positive. | |||
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" No, she is reporting about what is likely to happen in the usa" And the truth is, I'm sure the thought of a possible assassination has gone through a lot of people's minds. Trump has upset just as many people as he's pleased, and there hasn't been a more polarising presidential candidate since Abraham Lincoln. | |||
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" It's perfectly possible. Not to embrace them, just accept that they have a different view of how to reach the same goal. Also, if you don't demonise each other you can at least work together to achieve the things that you agree on or compromise enough to achieve something positive." I admire your optimism, but in many cases there's no "same goal". For example, many liberals dream of a world with complete integration; conservatives want to remain separate and distinct. Of course, compromises exist, but for some people there is no compromise for what they want. But then, it's been that way for as long as civilisation has existed... | |||
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"Wow. Nasty in 'ere.
That is why I keep away now ....
Really, it seems you can't keep away.
No comments though. Not interested in the debate any longer because it isn't a debate ....
And that is their aim, they preach freedom of speech.....as long as that speech agrees with them.
Agreed, but it just gets a bit tiring after a while. Prefer to do my bit in the real world rather than listen to the hate here
That is as may be.
Today the trail of Thomas Mair, killer of MP Jo Cox heard that he "killed the mother-of-two for "political and/or ideological reasons", and had researched "far right" material in the weeks beforehand."
Something has changed in this country.
One thing I think everyone on this forum will agree on is that Thomas Mair is scum, the lowest of the low. I hope they lock him up and throw away the key. He should rot in jail for the rest of his life.
Can we agree on what has nurtured the rise of people like him or the views he holds .... and the belief that it is okay to step over the line into action?
Well it was reported on the news today that he researched the Ku klux Clan and the Nazis on a library computer in the weeks before the attack took place. May still be questions to be answered in the trial about the state of his mental health?
It can never be ok to step over the line into the action he took though.
Incidentally it's been reported in the press a Guardian newspaper reporter tweeted "Maybe time for another Presidential assassination" hours after Trump won the election, before she then deleted her twitter account. Is she then encouraging others with similar views to her to step over that line?
No, she is reporting about what is likely to happen in the usa"If that is the case then why did she delete her twitter account? | |||
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"Wow. Nasty in 'ere.
That is why I keep away now ....
Really, it seems you can't keep away.
No comments though. Not interested in the debate any longer because it isn't a debate ....
And that is their aim, they preach freedom of speech.....as long as that speech agrees with them.
Agreed, but it just gets a bit tiring after a while. Prefer to do my bit in the real world rather than listen to the hate here
That is as may be.
Today the trail of Thomas Mair, killer of MP Jo Cox heard that he "killed the mother-of-two for "political and/or ideological reasons", and had researched "far right" material in the weeks beforehand."
Something has changed in this country.
One thing I think everyone on this forum will agree on is that Thomas Mair is scum, the lowest of the low. I hope they lock him up and throw away the key. He should rot in jail for the rest of his life.
Can we agree on what has nurtured the rise of people like him or the views he holds .... and the belief that it is okay to step over the line into action?
Well it was reported on the news today that he researched the Ku klux Clan and the Nazis on a library computer in the weeks before the attack took place. May still be questions to be answered in the trial about the state of his mental health?
It can never be ok to step over the line into the action he took though.
Incidentally it's been reported in the press a Guardian newspaper reporter tweeted "Maybe time for another Presidential assassination" hours after Trump won the election, before she then deleted her twitter account. Is she then encouraging others with similar views to her to step over that line?
No, she is reporting about what is likely to happen in the usa
If that is the case then why did she delete her twitter account? "People read into it what they wanted, I supposed. In reality, you would have to ask her though as I don't know and wouldn't care to guess. | |||
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" It's perfectly possible. Not to embrace them, just accept that they have a different view of how to reach the same goal. Also, if you don't demonise each other you can at least work together to achieve the things that you agree on or compromise enough to achieve something positive. I admire your optimism, but in many cases there's no "same goal". For example, many liberals dream of a world with complete integration; conservatives want to remain separate and distinct. Of course, compromises exist, but for some people there is no compromise for what they want. But then, it's been that way for as long as civilisation has existed..." That must make me a dictionary liberal then
For most people compromise is fine if they can get on with life. Those at each extreme can keep being angry. It probably makes them happy in their own way | |||
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"Wow. Nasty in 'ere.
That is why I keep away now ....
Really, it seems you can't keep away.
No comments though. Not interested in the debate any longer because it isn't a debate ....
And that is their aim, they preach freedom of speech.....as long as that speech agrees with them.
Agreed, but it just gets a bit tiring after a while. Prefer to do my bit in the real world rather than listen to the hate here
That is as may be.
Today the trail of Thomas Mair, killer of MP Jo Cox heard that he "killed the mother-of-two for "political and/or ideological reasons", and had researched "far right" material in the weeks beforehand."
Something has changed in this country.
One thing I think everyone on this forum will agree on is that Thomas Mair is scum, the lowest of the low. I hope they lock him up and throw away the key. He should rot in jail for the rest of his life.
Can we agree on what has nurtured the rise of people like him or the views he holds .... and the belief that it is okay to step over the line into action?
Well it was reported on the news today that he researched the Ku klux Clan and the Nazis on a library computer in the weeks before the attack took place. May still be questions to be answered in the trial about the state of his mental health?
It can never be ok to step over the line into the action he took though.
Incidentally it's been reported in the press a Guardian newspaper reporter tweeted "Maybe time for another Presidential assassination" hours after Trump won the election, before she then deleted her twitter account. Is she then encouraging others with similar views to her to step over that line?
No, she is reporting about what is likely to happen in the usa
If that is the case then why did she delete her twitter account?
People read into it what they wanted, I supposed. In reality, you would have to ask her though as I don't know and wouldn't care to guess. "The fact she deleted her twitter account after that tweet suggests she either felt guilty about it or she was afraid of a backlash. If she was merely reporting on the news as you suggest then there would be no guilt or no worry of a backlash. I think it's pretty obvious what her intentions behind that tweet were. | |||
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"Wow. Nasty in 'ere.
That is why I keep away now ....
Really, it seems you can't keep away.
No comments though. Not interested in the debate any longer because it isn't a debate ....
And that is their aim, they preach freedom of speech.....as long as that speech agrees with them.
Agreed, but it just gets a bit tiring after a while. Prefer to do my bit in the real world rather than listen to the hate here
That is as may be.
Today the trail of Thomas Mair, killer of MP Jo Cox heard that he "killed the mother-of-two for "political and/or ideological reasons", and had researched "far right" material in the weeks beforehand."
Something has changed in this country.
One thing I think everyone on this forum will agree on is that Thomas Mair is scum, the lowest of the low. I hope they lock him up and throw away the key. He should rot in jail for the rest of his life.
Can we agree on what has nurtured the rise of people like him or the views he holds .... and the belief that it is okay to step over the line into action?
Well it was reported on the news today that he researched the Ku klux Clan and the Nazis on a library computer in the weeks before the attack took place. May still be questions to be answered in the trial about the state of his mental health?
It can never be ok to step over the line into the action he took though.
Incidentally it's been reported in the press a Guardian newspaper reporter tweeted "Maybe time for another Presidential assassination" hours after Trump won the election, before she then deleted her twitter account. Is she then encouraging others with similar views to her to step over that line?
No, she is reporting about what is likely to happen in the usa"And she is right, Trump will be very fortunate if he gets through his term as President without at least one attempt on his life, he's brought that upon himself with his outlandish remarks in the last two years.....it doesn't make it right, but as we've seen today with the first day of the Jo Cox murder trial politics makes extremists on either side very dangerous. | |||
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"Many use the terms Liberal and Leftie because they see others do it and are too lazy to think for themselves..... I use the term in association with people and who hold certain cultural views - not economic ones. Explain cultural.....are we talking race here or something else? It's telling that your mind drifts to the race first from a broad term like 'cultual' I mean in the sense of their outlook on the world and on people. The narrative if victimhood is extremely popular. Acceptance of oppressive behaviour as long as it's from certain groups. There is also a morality flip similar to the Cainite views. For instance taking Hamas's side over Israel.. Think that white people are somehow privileged and would like to see the proportion of white people decline (despite being the global minority), think that Britain's wealth is only due to the Empire. Think that all countries are morally equal. Acceptance, nay, enforcement of ideas regarding LGBT and women and race. And if you diverge from these leftist ideas you are by default a bigot. So mental totalitarianism in a sense. Is that thought independent enough? Or are no ideas that conflict with the left origional? That mental totalitarianism at it's best." Being liberal has nothing to do with being left or right of centre. The main thing about being liberal is being antiauthoritarian and pro-individualism. Many people, including many in the 'Conservative & Liberal Unionist'-to give it its full name, consider themselves both liberal and right of centre. | |||
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