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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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This man who was born in the UK and has lived here his entire life is being told that he has to take and pass the Life in the UK test and apply to become a British citizen.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/05/man-told-to-take-citizenship-test-despite-living-entire-life-in-uk?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Messaging |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I know a couple Swedish and Brazilian nationality both professors lecturing at universities with 3 kids.Had to take this stupid test and swear allegiance to the queen and pay ££££.For the right to stay here. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I know a couple Swedish and Brazilian nationality both professors lecturing at universities with 3 kids.Had to take this stupid test and swear allegiance to the queen and pay ££££.For the right to stay here."
Why is it stupid, assume we were talking about a British couple wishing to live permanently in Brazil, they would have to do the same thing (apart from swear allegiance to the crown). I am not 100% sure about Sweden though.
Surely, if they wish to reside here permanently, have a family here etc, they should be pleased to undertake this, as I see it, entrance exam? Or am I missing something? |
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"I know a couple Swedish and Brazilian nationality both professors lecturing at universities with 3 kids.Had to take this stupid test and swear allegiance to the queen and pay ££££.For the right to stay here.
Why is it stupid, assume we were talking about a British couple wishing to live permanently in Brazil, they would have to do the same thing (apart from swear allegiance to the crown). I am not 100% sure about Sweden though.
Surely, if they wish to reside here permanently, have a family here etc, they should be pleased to undertake this, as I see it, entrance exam? Or am I missing something? "
No you're not missing anything. I think a citizenship test is a reasonable and necessary part of the process people who wish to live here should be required to take. |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"I know a couple Swedish and Brazilian nationality both professors lecturing at universities with 3 kids.Had to take this stupid test and swear allegiance to the queen and pay ££££.For the right to stay here.
Why is it stupid, assume we were talking about a British couple wishing to live permanently in Brazil, they would have to do the same thing (apart from swear allegiance to the crown). I am not 100% sure about Sweden though.
Surely, if they wish to reside here permanently, have a family here etc, they should be pleased to undertake this, as I see it, entrance exam? Or am I missing something?
No you're not missing anything. I think a citizenship test is a reasonable and necessary part of the process people who wish to live here should be required to take."
And what about the guy mentioned in the OP? He was born in this country and is having to take it. |
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No you're not missing anything. I think a citizenship test is a reasonable and necessary part of the process people who wish to live here should be required to take.
And what about the guy mentioned in the OP? He was born in this country and is having to take it."
I think Centaur could be on to something...
Why should being born here entitle anyone to citizenship? I think that I could put forward a good argument for everyone to have to pass an Understanding of what it means to be British test before being granted citizenship. The test would be in English and written, it would include questions on British history, geography, government and politics and would include some basic numeracy (if you cant add and subtract how are you going to understand and use money). Those who fail would not be removed as a result of failure. As most would have a right to remain by virtue of being born here. However they would not have a right to a passport or to vote.
So in one fell swoop we would not only improve the level of education of the voting pool but we may also improve our reputation abroad as we would stop many violent morons leaving the country. 
Centaur may have problems passing the citizenship test...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I know a couple Swedish and Brazilian nationality both professors lecturing at universities with 3 kids.Had to take this stupid test and swear allegiance to the queen and pay ££££.For the right to stay here.
Why is it stupid, assume we were talking about a British couple wishing to live permanently in Brazil, they would have to do the same thing (apart from swear allegiance to the crown). I am not 100% sure about Sweden though.
Surely, if they wish to reside here permanently, have a family here etc, they should be pleased to undertake this, as I see it, entrance exam? Or am I missing something?
No you're not missing anything. I think a citizenship test is a reasonable and necessary part of the process people who wish to live here should be required to take.
And what about the guy mentioned in the OP? He was born in this country and is having to take it."
His mother is presumed to have been illegally in the country when he was born, so says the article. They gave him a German passport as a 'reminder of his heritage.' Maybe, they should have thought about their own status first? Surely, the German passport he was given would have been applied for via the West German embassy at the time, potentially then they may not have intended for him and the rest of their family to stay?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why should being born here entitle anyone to citizenship?"
Doesn't been born in the USA qualify you for citizenship regardless of your parents' nationality, legality of their being there, etc?
"Centaur may have problems passing the citizenship test..."
Having seen some of the questions I think the majority of us would. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Doesn't been born in the USA qualify you for citizenship regardless of your parents' nationality, legality of their being there, etc?
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We are not talking about the USA though. Who cares what foolish rules and laws they have? |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"I know a couple Swedish and Brazilian nationality both professors lecturing at universities with 3 kids.Had to take this stupid test and swear allegiance to the queen and pay ££££.For the right to stay here.
Why is it stupid, assume we were talking about a British couple wishing to live permanently in Brazil, they would have to do the same thing (apart from swear allegiance to the crown). I am not 100% sure about Sweden though.
Surely, if they wish to reside here permanently, have a family here etc, they should be pleased to undertake this, as I see it, entrance exam? Or am I missing something?
No you're not missing anything. I think a citizenship test is a reasonable and necessary part of the process people who wish to live here should be required to take.
And what about the guy mentioned in the OP? He was born in this country and is having to take it.
His mother is presumed to have been illegally in the country when he was born, so says the article. They gave him a German passport as a 'reminder of his heritage.' Maybe, they should have thought about their own status first? Surely, the German passport he was given would have been applied for via the West German embassy at the time, potentially then they may not have intended for him and the rest of their family to stay?
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But she has only presumed to have been here illegally because HMRC haven’t kept records and neither have her employer. There is no proof that she was here illegally. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I know a couple Swedish and Brazilian nationality both professors lecturing at universities with 3 kids.Had to take this stupid test and swear allegiance to the queen and pay ££££.For the right to stay here.
Why is it stupid, assume we were talking about a British couple wishing to live permanently in Brazil, they would have to do the same thing (apart from swear allegiance to the crown). I am not 100% sure about Sweden though.
Surely, if they wish to reside here permanently, have a family here etc, they should be pleased to undertake this, as I see it, entrance exam? Or am I missing something?
No you're not missing anything. I think a citizenship test is a reasonable and necessary part of the process people who wish to live here should be required to take.
And what about the guy mentioned in the OP? He was born in this country and is having to take it.
His mother is presumed to have been illegally in the country when he was born, so says the article. They gave him a German passport as a 'reminder of his heritage.' Maybe, they should have thought about their own status first? Surely, the German passport he was given would have been applied for via the West German embassy at the time, potentially then they may not have intended for him and the rest of their family to stay?
But she has only presumed to have been here illegally because HMRC haven’t kept records and neither have her employer. There is no proof that she was here illegally."
So, HMRC haven't kept records, or her employer? I am assuming those records would have been tax and NI records, which is still not clarifying proof of legal entitlement to stay. Saying that though, maybe she was paid cash in hand by the university she worked for? Stranger things have happened... |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"I know a couple Swedish and Brazilian nationality both professors lecturing at universities with 3 kids.Had to take this stupid test and swear allegiance to the queen and pay ££££.For the right to stay here.
Why is it stupid, assume we were talking about a British couple wishing to live permanently in Brazil, they would have to do the same thing (apart from swear allegiance to the crown). I am not 100% sure about Sweden though.
Surely, if they wish to reside here permanently, have a family here etc, they should be pleased to undertake this, as I see it, entrance exam? Or am I missing something?
No you're not missing anything. I think a citizenship test is a reasonable and necessary part of the process people who wish to live here should be required to take.
And what about the guy mentioned in the OP? He was born in this country and is having to take it.
His mother is presumed to have been illegally in the country when he was born, so says the article. They gave him a German passport as a 'reminder of his heritage.' Maybe, they should have thought about their own status first? Surely, the German passport he was given would have been applied for via the West German embassy at the time, potentially then they may not have intended for him and the rest of their family to stay?
But she has only presumed to have been here illegally because HMRC haven’t kept records and neither have her employer. There is no proof that she was here illegally.
So, HMRC haven't kept records, or her employer? I am assuming those records would have been tax and NI records, which is still not clarifying proof of legal entitlement to stay. Saying that though, maybe she was paid cash in hand by the university she worked for? Stranger things have happened... "
The combination of the mother's citizenship and her working does mean that she was here legally.
Contrary to popular belief on here, European citizens can't just rock up and sit on their arse in the UK. The tax details would prove she was working, and therefore exercising a treaty right. |
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"Not sure if this is the correct test, but here's a link:
https://lifeintheuktests.co.uk/british-citizenship-test/
I scored 91.67%, so can stay! "
Had to do it...
100% thank god! close thing with the Commonwealth one, but thought of the photos of the Queen standing, sitting with the heads of the governments and that gave me the answer to that one.
So I get to stay too.
Which of the 24 questions did you get wrong? |
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No you're not missing anything. I think a citizenship test is a reasonable and necessary part of the process people who wish to live here should be required to take.
And what about the guy mentioned in the OP? He was born in this country and is having to take it.
I think Centaur could be on to something...
Why should being born here entitle anyone to citizenship? I think that I could put forward a good argument for everyone to have to pass an Understanding of what it means to be British test before being granted citizenship. The test would be in English and written, it would include questions on British history, geography, government and politics and would include some basic numeracy (if you cant add and subtract how are you going to understand and use money). Those who fail would not be removed as a result of failure. As most would have a right to remain by virtue of being born here. However they would not have a right to a passport or to vote.
So in one fell swoop we would not only improve the level of education of the voting pool but we may also improve our reputation abroad as we would stop many violent morons leaving the country.
Centaur may have problems passing the citizenship test...
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As would the majority of labour voters |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I know a couple Swedish and Brazilian nationality both professors lecturing at universities with 3 kids.Had to take this stupid test and swear allegiance to the queen and pay ££££.For the right to stay here.
Why is it stupid, assume we were talking about a British couple wishing to live permanently in Brazil, they would have to do the same thing (apart from swear allegiance to the crown). I am not 100% sure about Sweden though.
Surely, if they wish to reside here permanently, have a family here etc, they should be pleased to undertake this, as I see it, entrance exam? Or am I missing something?
No you're not missing anything. I think a citizenship test is a reasonable and necessary part of the process people who wish to live here should be required to take.
And what about the guy mentioned in the OP? He was born in this country and is having to take it.
His mother is presumed to have been illegally in the country when he was born, so says the article. They gave him a German passport as a 'reminder of his heritage.' Maybe, they should have thought about their own status first? Surely, the German passport he was given would have been applied for via the West German embassy at the time, potentially then they may not have intended for him and the rest of their family to stay?
But she has only presumed to have been here illegally because HMRC haven’t kept records and neither have her employer. There is no proof that she was here illegally.
So, HMRC haven't kept records, or her employer? I am assuming those records would have been tax and NI records, which is still not clarifying proof of legal entitlement to stay. Saying that though, maybe she was paid cash in hand by the university she worked for? Stranger things have happened...
The combination of the mother's citizenship and her working does mean that she was here legally.
Contrary to popular belief on here, European citizens can't just rock up and sit on their arse in the UK. The tax details would prove she was working, and therefore exercising a treaty right."
But, they can't be found? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Not sure if this is the correct test, but here's a link:
https://lifeintheuktests.co.uk/british-citizenship-test/
I scored 91.67%, so can stay!
Had to do it...
100% thank god! close thing with the Commonwealth one, but thought of the photos of the Queen standing, sitting with the heads of the governments and that gave me the answer to that one.
So I get to stay too.
Which of the 24 questions did you get wrong?"
I actually misread the question about the National Anthem and selected, I think it was, God Save Great Britain! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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No you're not missing anything. I think a citizenship test is a reasonable and necessary part of the process people who wish to live here should be required to take.
And what about the guy mentioned in the OP? He was born in this country and is having to take it.
I think Centaur could be on to something...
Why should being born here entitle anyone to citizenship? I think that I could put forward a good argument for everyone to have to pass an Understanding of what it means to be British test before being granted citizenship. The test would be in English and written, it would include questions on British history, geography, government and politics and would include some basic numeracy (if you cant add and subtract how are you going to understand and use money). Those who fail would not be removed as a result of failure. As most would have a right to remain by virtue of being born here. However they would not have a right to a passport or to vote.
So in one fell swoop we would not only improve the level of education of the voting pool but we may also improve our reputation abroad as we would stop many violent morons leaving the country.
Centaur may have problems passing the citizenship test...
As would the majority of labour voters"
Why Labour voters in particular? |
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"I actually misread the question about the National Anthem and selected, I think it was, God Save Great Britain! "
"(I said)[Centaur may have problems passing the citizenship test...
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(Big Steve said)[As would the majority of labour voters]
(valleys said)[Why Labour voters in particular?] "
From his posts I would have Centaur down as either a far right tory or a kipper. One thing for certain he is not a socialist.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I actually misread the question about the National Anthem and selected, I think it was, God Save Great Britain!
(I said)[Centaur may have problems passing the citizenship test...
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(Big Steve said)[As would the majority of labour voters]
(valleys said)[Why Labour voters in particular?]
From his posts I would have Centaur down as either a far right tory or a kipper. One thing for certain he is not a socialist.
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There seem to be very few in these here forums! |
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Being born in the UK doesn't mean that one is automatically a British citizen. But being born abroad to at least one British citizen parent would qualify one as a British citizen.
I will be taking my Life In The UK test next year or probably by the 4th quarter this year, it'll be £50. Then once I have passed it, and met the residency requirements of at least 5 years (and £1875), I would be eligible for Indefinite Leave to Remain (UK permanent residence). An extra year of being on ILR status would make me eligible to apply for British Citizenship (plus £1236).
Aside from Life in the UK test, if the applicant comes from a non-english speaking country, the foreigner has to take an english test as well. |
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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago
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"Being born in the UK doesn't mean that one is automatically a British citizen. But being born abroad to at least one British citizen parent would qualify one as a British citizen.
I will be taking my Life In The UK test next year or probably by the 4th quarter this year, it'll be £50. Then once I have passed it, and met the residency requirements of at least 5 years (and £1875), I would be eligible for Indefinite Leave to Remain (UK permanent residence). An extra year of being on ILR status would make me eligible to apply for British Citizenship (plus £1236).
Aside from Life in the UK test, if the applicant comes from a non-english speaking country, the foreigner has to take an english test as well. "
Do you think taking the test is a fair way to assess your capability to fit in ? |
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"Do you think taking the test is a fair way to assess your capability to fit in ?"
I think it is just fair because the applicant wants to stay here so one has to at least try to assimilate. If the applicant has stayed long enough here in the UK, I'm pretty sure he/she will pass with flying colors, oops assimilate, colours.
On the other hand, the test, be it the English or Life in the UK tests, should not be the only basis of citizenship or being British itself. One has to pay the correct taxes, contribute with good governance and the list goes on. |
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Slightly out of topic, are you guys aware that non-EU citizens are not eligible for child benefits until we become a permanent resident? Apparently immigration rules see this as access to public funds, and it is clearly stated on my visa "No Access to public funds". The only benefit that I am getting is single occupancy council tax reduction  |
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"Slightly out of topic, are you guys aware that non-EU citizens are not eligible for child benefits until we become a permanent resident? Apparently immigration rules see this as access to public funds, and it is clearly stated on my visa "No Access to public funds". The only benefit that I am getting is single occupancy council tax reduction "
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Well the good news is you look 15 years younger than you do  .
And no I wasn't aware of that, thanks for posting. |
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