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"Labour would abolish it in England. Good idea?" Most of these new Labour policies are predictably one dimensional with a populist concept "being paid for by the rich." Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy. But Labour are proposing one off policies for schools (that are paid for by a special tax on Private School fees) and hospitals (that are paid for by a special tax on private health insurance). These are not well thought out policies and are a reminder that Labour at heart exist on the politics of envy. | |||
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"Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy." But the problem is, that Labour's approach has never been a 'fair' tax policy. Think about it, a 'Fair' policy would be one where everyone pays the same. Even under a conservative government, higher earners pay more than their 'fair share', and yet Labour want to tax them even more. In my view, Labour's approach to income tax actually discourages people from achieving their potential and punishes success. | |||
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"Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy. But the problem is, that Labour's approach has never been a 'fair' tax policy. Think about it, a 'Fair' policy would be one where everyone pays the same. Even under a conservative government, higher earners pay more than their 'fair share', and yet Labour want to tax them even more. In my view, Labour's approach to income tax actually discourages people from achieving their potential and punishes success. " Paying the same isn't fair as its not related to your ability to pay. That's why Labour generally prefer progressive taxation (e.g. income tax), over flat taxation (e.g. VAT). | |||
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"Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy. But the problem is, that Labour's approach has never been a 'fair' tax policy. Think about it, a 'Fair' policy would be one where everyone pays the same. Even under a conservative government, higher earners pay more than their 'fair share', and yet Labour want to tax them even more. In my view, Labour's approach to income tax actually discourages people from achieving their potential and punishes success. Paying the same isn't fair as its not related to your ability to pay. That's why Labour generally prefer progressive taxation (e.g. income tax), over flat taxation (e.g. VAT). " Here's a question for you. Does someone on, let's say £100K a year use local services any more than someone on £10K a year? Do they use the NHS more? Actually, they probably use it less as with that level of income they may have Private Health Insurance. They can also afford to send their children to Private Schools, so again, they're using less services than lower earners, but are expected to pay more towards them. Let's face it, it's unlikely that any system will be seen as being truly fair. Or perhaps, for some at least, it's better that it be fairer to some than to others. | |||
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"Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy. But the problem is, that Labour's approach has never been a 'fair' tax policy. Think about it, a 'Fair' policy would be one where everyone pays the same. Even under a conservative government, higher earners pay more than their 'fair share', and yet Labour want to tax them even more. In my view, Labour's approach to income tax actually discourages people from achieving their potential and punishes success. Paying the same isn't fair as its not related to your ability to pay. That's why Labour generally prefer progressive taxation (e.g. income tax), over flat taxation (e.g. VAT). Here's a question for you. Does someone on, let's say £100K a year use local services any more than someone on £10K a year? Do they use the NHS more? Actually, they probably use it less as with that level of income they may have Private Health Insurance. They can also afford to send their children to Private Schools, so again, they're using less services than lower earners, but are expected to pay more towards them. Let's face it, it's unlikely that any system will be seen as being truly fair. Or perhaps, for some at least, it's better that it be fairer to some than to others. " Lets say 1 person has £100 in the bank, they go shopping and buy £10 of items, paying £2 in tax or 2% or their money on tax. Now take person 2 who has £1,000 in the bank also buys £10 of items, also paying £2 in tax, but that is only 0.2% of their money. Is it fair that one person spends 2% of their money on tax while someone else spends a tenth of that on tax? Different sides of the political debate see "fair" in different ways. | |||
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"Well higher earners pay more tax anyway. Tax 20% £11501 - £45000 Tax 40% £45001 - £150000 Tax 45% £150001 - So the higher earners can end up paying over double tax after £45000 to £1500001 I think additional taxing on private school fees and private health care is wrong." I fully agree that taxing private schools and private health care is not the best way to go. Just abolish them all together. In the absence of that then absolutely hike the taxes on them. And the two things Labour have proposed using the increase in those taxes on are really good ideas in my opinion. Free school meals for all primary children will help so many kids, so many struggling families and mean kids don't go hungry. And the rip-off of hospital parking to be covered by those who can afford private healthcare is again a winner in my eyes. | |||
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"Well higher earners pay more tax anyway. Tax 20% £11501 - £45000 Tax 40% £45001 - £150000 Tax 45% £150001 - So the higher earners can end up paying over double tax after £45000 to £1500001 I think additional taxing on private school fees and private health care is wrong." i don't see any problem with any of that apart from the rates of tax are too little | |||
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"Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy. But the problem is, that Labour's approach has never been a 'fair' tax policy. Think about it, a 'Fair' policy would be one where everyone pays the same. Even under a conservative government, higher earners pay more than their 'fair share', and yet Labour want to tax them even more. In my view, Labour's approach to income tax actually discourages people from achieving their potential and punishes success. Paying the same isn't fair as its not related to your ability to pay. That's why Labour generally prefer progressive taxation (e.g. income tax), over flat taxation (e.g. VAT). Here's a question for you. Does someone on, let's say £100K a year use local services any more than someone on £10K a year? Do they use the NHS more? Actually, they probably use it less as with that level of income they may have Private Health Insurance. They can also afford to send their children to Private Schools, so again, they're using less services than lower earners, but are expected to pay more towards them. Let's face it, it's unlikely that any system will be seen as being truly fair. Or perhaps, for some at least, it's better that it be fairer to some than to others. Lets say 1 person has £100 in the bank, they go shopping and buy £10 of items, paying £2 in tax or 2% or their money on tax. Now take person 2 who has £1,000 in the bank also buys £10 of items, also paying £2 in tax, but that is only 0.2% of their money. Is it fair that one person spends 2% of their money on tax while someone else spends a tenth of that on tax? Different sides of the political debate see "fair" in different ways." Sorry but that's a poor analogy as your talking about income that's already been taxed. Both of your examples are paying VAT at the same rate. | |||
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"You want to hand over more of your money to the government? 22 or more % income tax? It's very generous of you but most people can't afford to lose that much more..... " so you know 60 million peoples personal financial details then? that's some crystal ball you've got or you're a computer hacker or just plain old deluded | |||
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"Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy. But the problem is, that Labour's approach has never been a 'fair' tax policy. Think about it, a 'Fair' policy would be one where everyone pays the same. Even under a conservative government, higher earners pay more than their 'fair share', and yet Labour want to tax them even more. In my view, Labour's approach to income tax actually discourages people from achieving their potential and punishes success. Paying the same isn't fair as its not related to your ability to pay. That's why Labour generally prefer progressive taxation (e.g. income tax), over flat taxation (e.g. VAT). Here's a question for you. Does someone on, let's say £100K a year use local services any more than someone on £10K a year? Do they use the NHS more? Actually, they probably use it less as with that level of income they may have Private Health Insurance. They can also afford to send their children to Private Schools, so again, they're using less services than lower earners, but are expected to pay more towards them. Let's face it, it's unlikely that any system will be seen as being truly fair. Or perhaps, for some at least, it's better that it be fairer to some than to others. Lets say 1 person has £100 in the bank, they go shopping and buy £10 of items, paying £2 in tax or 2% or their money on tax. Now take person 2 who has £1,000 in the bank also buys £10 of items, also paying £2 in tax, but that is only 0.2% of their money. Is it fair that one person spends 2% of their money on tax while someone else spends a tenth of that on tax? Different sides of the political debate see "fair" in different ways. Sorry but that's a poor analogy as your talking about income that's already been taxed. Both of your examples are paying VAT at the same rate." It's not a poor analogy, it's explaining how flat rate taxes aren't linked to your ability to pay. | |||
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"Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy. But the problem is, that Labour's approach has never been a 'fair' tax policy. Think about it, a 'Fair' policy would be one where everyone pays the same. Even under a conservative government, higher earners pay more than their 'fair share', and yet Labour want to tax them even more. In my view, Labour's approach to income tax actually discourages people from achieving their potential and punishes success. Paying the same isn't fair as its not related to your ability to pay. That's why Labour generally prefer progressive taxation (e.g. income tax), over flat taxation (e.g. VAT). Here's a question for you. Does someone on, let's say £100K a year use local services any more than someone on £10K a year? Do they use the NHS more? Actually, they probably use it less as with that level of income they may have Private Health Insurance. They can also afford to send their children to Private Schools, so again, they're using less services than lower earners, but are expected to pay more towards them. Let's face it, it's unlikely that any system will be seen as being truly fair. Or perhaps, for some at least, it's better that it be fairer to some than to others. Lets say 1 person has £100 in the bank, they go shopping and buy £10 of items, paying £2 in tax or 2% or their money on tax. Now take person 2 who has £1,000 in the bank also buys £10 of items, also paying £2 in tax, but that is only 0.2% of their money. Is it fair that one person spends 2% of their money on tax while someone else spends a tenth of that on tax? Different sides of the political debate see "fair" in different ways." 2 very simple word in your statement, THEIR MONEY They earned it, it's their money, it's not for the sate to take off them and spend as the sate dictates. Thats communism, and that never worked. | |||
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"Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy. But the problem is, that Labour's approach has never been a 'fair' tax policy. Think about it, a 'Fair' policy would be one where everyone pays the same. Even under a conservative government, higher earners pay more than their 'fair share', and yet Labour want to tax them even more. In my view, Labour's approach to income tax actually discourages people from achieving their potential and punishes success. Paying the same isn't fair as its not related to your ability to pay. That's why Labour generally prefer progressive taxation (e.g. income tax), over flat taxation (e.g. VAT). Here's a question for you. Does someone on, let's say £100K a year use local services any more than someone on £10K a year? Do they use the NHS more? Actually, they probably use it less as with that level of income they may have Private Health Insurance. They can also afford to send their children to Private Schools, so again, they're using less services than lower earners, but are expected to pay more towards them. Let's face it, it's unlikely that any system will be seen as being truly fair. Or perhaps, for some at least, it's better that it be fairer to some than to others. Lets say 1 person has £100 in the bank, they go shopping and buy £10 of items, paying £2 in tax or 2% or their money on tax. Now take person 2 who has £1,000 in the bank also buys £10 of items, also paying £2 in tax, but that is only 0.2% of their money. Is it fair that one person spends 2% of their money on tax while someone else spends a tenth of that on tax? Different sides of the political debate see "fair" in different ways. 2 very simple word in your statement, THEIR MONEY They earned it, it's their money, it's not for the sate to take off them and spend as the sate dictates. Thats communism, and that never worked."  EVERY state takes money from their citizens! | |||
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"Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy. But the problem is, that Labour's approach has never been a 'fair' tax policy. Think about it, a 'Fair' policy would be one where everyone pays the same. Even under a conservative government, higher earners pay more than their 'fair share', and yet Labour want to tax them even more. In my view, Labour's approach to income tax actually discourages people from achieving their potential and punishes success. Paying the same isn't fair as its not related to your ability to pay. That's why Labour generally prefer progressive taxation (e.g. income tax), over flat taxation (e.g. VAT). Here's a question for you. Does someone on, let's say £100K a year use local services any more than someone on £10K a year? Do they use the NHS more? Actually, they probably use it less as with that level of income they may have Private Health Insurance. They can also afford to send their children to Private Schools, so again, they're using less services than lower earners, but are expected to pay more towards them. Let's face it, it's unlikely that any system will be seen as being truly fair. Or perhaps, for some at least, it's better that it be fairer to some than to others. Lets say 1 person has £100 in the bank, they go shopping and buy £10 of items, paying £2 in tax or 2% or their money on tax. Now take person 2 who has £1,000 in the bank also buys £10 of items, also paying £2 in tax, but that is only 0.2% of their money. Is it fair that one person spends 2% of their money on tax while someone else spends a tenth of that on tax? Different sides of the political debate see "fair" in different ways. 2 very simple word in your statement, THEIR MONEY They earned it, it's their money, it's not for the sate to take off them and spend as the sate dictates. Thats communism, and that never worked. EVERY state takes money from their citizens! "Mmmm let me think about yep your right, but my point is the state should balance its books and not look to rake in ever more money from its citizens with no concern to how efficiently it's spent, which is labours starting point Even the taliban and ISIS tax those who fall under their evenly spell, and last time I looked they weren't even an elected government | |||
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"You want to hand over more of your money to the government? 22 or more % income tax? It's very generous of you but most people can't afford to lose that much more..... so you know 60 million peoples personal financial details then? that's some crystal ball you've got or you're a computer hacker or just plain old deluded" Let me put it another way. Most people probably don't WANT to give even more hard earned money away..... by all means offer the tax man more of your money! | |||
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" Lets say 1 person has £100 in the bank, they go shopping and buy £10 of items, paying £2 in tax or 2% or their money on tax. Now take person 2 who has £1,000 in the bank also buys £10 of items, also paying £2 in tax, but that is only 0.2% of their money. Is it fair that one person spends 2% of their money on tax while someone else spends a tenth of that on tax? Different sides of the political debate see "fair" in different ways. Sorry but that's a poor analogy as your talking about income that's already been taxed. Both of your examples are paying VAT at the same rate. It's not a poor analogy, it's explaining how flat rate taxes aren't linked to your ability to pay." Not all taxes are flat rate though are they. There's a few taxes already more linked to your supposedly ability to pay. I live on a new small estate , quite a few on the same estate will either be none tax payers or not too far into the 20% band. Then theres probably many well within the 20% band. I end up paying 40% tax on a chunk of my income just like others will do too. Most of us probably do similar working hours but some pay far more tax to the government than others. Some will be in Band A for Council Tax, while im a few bands further down on the highest band of the estate, but I still live on the same winding street but my council tax is considerably higher than others. I possibly buy things more expensive for certain items and while doing so end up paying more VAT to the government. So while we all eat, sleep, work & live we all end up paying more or less tax depending on our ability to pay so it isn't as simple as you put it. | |||
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" Lets say 1 person has £100 in the bank, they go shopping and buy £10 of items, paying £2 in tax or 2% or their money on tax. Now take person 2 who has £1,000 in the bank also buys £10 of items, also paying £2 in tax, but that is only 0.2% of their money. Is it fair that one person spends 2% of their money on tax while someone else spends a tenth of that on tax? Different sides of the political debate see "fair" in different ways. Sorry but that's a poor analogy as your talking about income that's already been taxed. Both of your examples are paying VAT at the same rate. It's not a poor analogy, it's explaining how flat rate taxes aren't linked to your ability to pay. Not all taxes are flat rate though are they. There's a few taxes already more linked to your supposedly ability to pay. I live on a new small estate , quite a few on the same estate will either be none tax payers or not too far into the 20% band. Then theres probably many well within the 20% band. I end up paying 40% tax on a chunk of my income just like others will do too. Most of us probably do similar working hours but some pay far more tax to the government than others. Some will be in Band A for Council Tax, while im a few bands further down on the highest band of the estate, but I still live on the same winding street but my council tax is considerably higher than others. I possibly buy things more expensive for certain items and while doing so end up paying more VAT to the government. So while we all eat, sleep, work & live we all end up paying more or less tax depending on our ability to pay so it isn't as simple as you put it." You're right, we do have a mixture of progressive and flat rate taxes in this country. All I was trying to say is that as a rough rule of thumb, the left prefer progressive taxation and the right prefer flat taxation. As the UK swings like a pendulum between left and right governments we generally get a mixture of the two. | |||
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"You want to hand over more of your money to the government? 22 or more % income tax? It's very generous of you but most people can't afford to lose that much more..... so you know 60 million peoples personal financial details then? that's some crystal ball you've got or you're a computer hacker or just plain old deluded Let me put it another way. Most people probably don't WANT to give even more hard earned money away..... by all means offer the tax man more of your money! " so now you're back peddling and saying you made it up ... i see | |||
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"Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy. But the problem is, that Labour's approach has never been a 'fair' tax policy. Think about it, a 'Fair' policy would be one where everyone pays the same. Even under a conservative government, higher earners pay more than their 'fair share', and yet Labour want to tax them even more. In my view, Labour's approach to income tax actually discourages people from achieving their potential and punishes success. Paying the same isn't fair as its not related to your ability to pay. That's why Labour generally prefer progressive taxation (e.g. income tax), over flat taxation (e.g. VAT). Here's a question for you. Does someone on, let's say £100K a year use local services any more than someone on £10K a year? Do they use the NHS more? Actually, they probably use it less as with that level of income they may have Private Health Insurance. They can also afford to send their children to Private Schools, so again, they're using less services than lower earners, but are expected to pay more towards them. Let's face it, it's unlikely that any system will be seen as being truly fair. Or perhaps, for some at least, it's better that it be fairer to some than to others. Lets say 1 person has £100 in the bank, they go shopping and buy £10 of items, paying £2 in tax or 2% or their money on tax. Now take person 2 who has £1,000 in the bank also buys £10 of items, also paying £2 in tax, but that is only 0.2% of their money. Is it fair that one person spends 2% of their money on tax while someone else spends a tenth of that on tax? Different sides of the political debate see "fair" in different ways. Sorry but that's a poor analogy as your talking about income that's already been taxed. Both of your examples are paying VAT at the same rate. It's not a poor analogy, it's explaining how flat rate taxes aren't linked to your ability to pay." But your talking about a flat rate of sales tax Not income tax. The money being spent has already been subjected to income tax. | |||
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"Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy. But the problem is, that Labour's approach has never been a 'fair' tax policy. Think about it, a 'Fair' policy would be one where everyone pays the same. Even under a conservative government, higher earners pay more than their 'fair share', and yet Labour want to tax them even more. In my view, Labour's approach to income tax actually discourages people from achieving their potential and punishes success. Paying the same isn't fair as its not related to your ability to pay. That's why Labour generally prefer progressive taxation (e.g. income tax), over flat taxation (e.g. VAT). " So Labour prefer progressive taxation? Why are they then saying they'll tax private education and private health? Is that progressive taxation? | |||
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"Well higher earners pay more tax anyway. Tax 20% £11501 - £45000 Tax 40% £45001 - £150000 Tax 45% £150001 - So the higher earners can end up paying over double tax after £45000 to £1500001 I think additional taxing on private school fees and private health care is wrong. I fully agree that taxing private schools and private health care is not the best way to go. Just abolish them all together. In the absence of that then absolutely hike the taxes on them. And the two things Labour have proposed using the increase in those taxes on are really good ideas in my opinion. Free school meals for all primary children will help so many kids, so many struggling families and mean kids don't go hungry. And the rip-off of hospital parking to be covered by those who can afford private healthcare is again a winner in my eyes." I wonder how many Labour politicians, past and present, and Labour supporters, who earn more than the magic 80K, voluntarily give the exchequer extra out of their hard earned? And why set it at 80K? Neighing to do with MPs' salary at all, perhaps? | |||
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"Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy. But the problem is, that Labour's approach has never been a 'fair' tax policy. Think about it, a 'Fair' policy would be one where everyone pays the same. Even under a conservative government, higher earners pay more than their 'fair share', and yet Labour want to tax them even more. In my view, Labour's approach to income tax actually discourages people from achieving their potential and punishes success. Paying the same isn't fair as its not related to your ability to pay. That's why Labour generally prefer progressive taxation (e.g. income tax), over flat taxation (e.g. VAT). Here's a question for you. Does someone on, let's say £100K a year use local services any more than someone on £10K a year? Do they use the NHS more? Actually, they probably use it less as with that level of income they may have Private Health Insurance. They can also afford to send their children to Private Schools, so again, they're using less services than lower earners, but are expected to pay more towards them. Let's face it, it's unlikely that any system will be seen as being truly fair. Or perhaps, for some at least, it's better that it be fairer to some than to others. Lets say 1 person has £100 in the bank, they go shopping and buy £10 of items, paying £2 in tax or 2% or their money on tax. Now take person 2 who has £1,000 in the bank also buys £10 of items, also paying £2 in tax, but that is only 0.2% of their money. Is it fair that one person spends 2% of their money on tax while someone else spends a tenth of that on tax? Different sides of the political debate see "fair" in different ways. Sorry but that's a poor analogy as your talking about income that's already been taxed. Both of your examples are paying VAT at the same rate. It's not a poor analogy, it's explaining how flat rate taxes aren't linked to your ability to pay. But your talking about a flat rate of sales tax Not income tax. The money being spent has already been subjected to income tax." It depends where the money has come from, it could be from investments, ISAs, inheritance, etc etc. All with differing rates of tax or not as the case may be. | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn says "Parking fees are ‘a tax on serious illnesses’ and the free parking policy would be funded by raising insurance tax on serious illnesses in private health care hospitals instead
"But serious health issues are very different for those who have the same condition and are treated by the NHS. So of course you should be taxed on your lillness for being stupid enough to have taken out private health care. Or surrending some of your income to by it as flexible benefit of your employer | |||
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"Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy. But the problem is, that Labour's approach has never been a 'fair' tax policy. Think about it, a 'Fair' policy would be one where everyone pays the same. Even under a conservative government, higher earners pay more than their 'fair share', and yet Labour want to tax them even more. In my view, Labour's approach to income tax actually discourages people from achieving their potential and punishes success. Paying the same isn't fair as its not related to your ability to pay. That's why Labour generally prefer progressive taxation (e.g. income tax), over flat taxation (e.g. VAT). So Labour prefer progressive taxation? Why are they then saying they'll tax private education and private health? Is that progressive taxation? " It's perverted jealousy, most of it inflicted by those who actually have never ever had any experience of being poor or its impact | |||
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"Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy. But the problem is, that Labour's approach has never been a 'fair' tax policy. Think about it, a 'Fair' policy would be one where everyone pays the same. Even under a conservative government, higher earners pay more than their 'fair share', and yet Labour want to tax them even more. In my view, Labour's approach to income tax actually discourages people from achieving their potential and punishes success. Paying the same isn't fair as its not related to your ability to pay. That's why Labour generally prefer progressive taxation (e.g. income tax), over flat taxation (e.g. VAT). So Labour prefer progressive taxation? Why are they then saying they'll tax private education and private health? Is that progressive taxation? " I don't know the details of the policy, do you? Is it flat rate or progressive? | |||
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"Well higher earners pay more tax anyway. Tax 20% £11501 - £45000 Tax 40% £45001 - £150000 Tax 45% £150001 - So the higher earners can end up paying over double tax after £45000 to £1500001 I think additional taxing on private school fees and private health care is wrong. I fully agree that taxing private schools and private health care is not the best way to go. Just abolish them all together. In the absence of that then absolutely hike the taxes on them. And the two things Labour have proposed using the increase in those taxes on are really good ideas in my opinion. Free school meals for all primary children will help so many kids, so many struggling families and mean kids don't go hungry. And the rip-off of hospital parking to be covered by those who can afford private healthcare is again a winner in my eyes." Have you really thought this through? Private healthcare and private schooling are preventing lockdown in the NHS and education. You want the people currently helping alleviate the overcrowding to be stopped from doing so in order to put even more pressure on education and health? This doesn't seem to be a particularly beneficial idea - for anyone, | |||
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"You want to hand over more of your money to the government? 22 or more % income tax? It's very generous of you but most people can't afford to lose that much more..... so you know 60 million peoples personal financial details then? that's some crystal ball you've got or you're a computer hacker or just plain old deluded Let me put it another way. Most people probably don't WANT to give even more hard earned money away..... by all means offer the tax man more of your money! so now you're back peddling and saying you made it up ... i see" So.... even more simply. Offer more of your own money by all means. But I'm quite happy for it not to go up. I can't imagine many people will dance with delight at higher taxation. I may have "made it up" but I wasn't the one who was daft enough to say tax should be higher.... | |||
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"You want to hand over more of your money to the government? 22 or more % income tax? It's very generous of you but most people can't afford to lose that much more..... so you know 60 million peoples personal financial details then? that's some crystal ball you've got or you're a computer hacker or just plain old deluded Let me put it another way. Most people probably don't WANT to give even more hard earned money away..... by all means offer the tax man more of your money! so now you're back peddling and saying you made it up ... i see So.... even more simply. Offer more of your own money by all means. But I'm quite happy for it not to go up. I can't imagine many people will dance with delight at higher taxation. I may have "made it up" but I wasn't the one who was daft enough to say tax should be higher.... " I would actually pay a set few of £500 per year if it was ring fenced for the NHS and schooling | |||
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"I may have "made it up" " so you made it up then .... i see | |||
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"Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy. But the problem is, that Labour's approach has never been a 'fair' tax policy. Think about it, a 'Fair' policy would be one where everyone pays the same. Even under a conservative government, higher earners pay more than their 'fair share', and yet Labour want to tax them even more. In my view, Labour's approach to income tax actually discourages people from achieving their potential and punishes success. Paying the same isn't fair as its not related to your ability to pay. That's why Labour generally prefer progressive taxation (e.g. income tax), over flat taxation (e.g. VAT). Here's a question for you. Does someone on, let's say £100K a year use local services any more than someone on £10K a year? Do they use the NHS more? Actually, they probably use it less as with that level of income they may have Private Health Insurance. They can also afford to send their children to Private Schools, so again, they're using less services than lower earners, but are expected to pay more towards them. Let's face it, it's unlikely that any system will be seen as being truly fair. Or perhaps, for some at least, it's better that it be fairer to some than to others. Lets say 1 person has £100 in the bank, they go shopping and buy £10 of items, paying £2 in tax or 2% or their money on tax. Now take person 2 who has £1,000 in the bank also buys £10 of items, also paying £2 in tax, but that is only 0.2% of their money. Is it fair that one person spends 2% of their money on tax while someone else spends a tenth of that on tax? Different sides of the political debate see "fair" in different ways. Sorry but that's a poor analogy as your talking about income that's already been taxed. Both of your examples are paying VAT at the same rate. It's not a poor analogy, it's explaining how flat rate taxes aren't linked to your ability to pay. But your talking about a flat rate of sales tax Not income tax. The money being spent has already been subjected to income tax. It depends where the money has come from, it could be from investments, ISAs, inheritance, etc etc. All with differing rates of tax or not as the case may be." But all of the above will have had to come from earned income at some point, which will have been taxed at source( unless of course it's a lottery win!) | |||
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"Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy. But the problem is, that Labour's approach has never been a 'fair' tax policy. Think about it, a 'Fair' policy would be one where everyone pays the same. Even under a conservative government, higher earners pay more than their 'fair share', and yet Labour want to tax them even more. In my view, Labour's approach to income tax actually discourages people from achieving their potential and punishes success. " What about paying public sector workers what they deserve? You want a fair tax then give us a fair wage! | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! " what insult? is this another thing you've made up? | |||
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"Labour would abolish it in England. Good idea? Most of these new Labour policies are predictably one dimensional with a populist concept "being paid for by the rich." Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy. But Labour are proposing one off policies for schools (that are paid for by a special tax on Private School fees) and hospitals (that are paid for by a special tax on private health insurance). These are not well thought out policies and are a reminder that Labour at heart exist on the politics of envy." Have to agree. As a high earner I already pay a high amount of income tax and NI. I also have private medical care for me and my children, so in essence pay for it twice and then some, but through choice. I, probably like most people with private medical cover, can absorb an increase but that will merely reduce how much I can spend as a consumer, affecting the economy in a different way. Only a very small amount of people can absorb increases without effect elsewhere. So while I agree with the concept the mechanism requires much more thought. If you keep taking money from people you affect their ability to spend, never good for the economy. | |||
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"Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy. But the problem is, that Labour's approach has never been a 'fair' tax policy. Think about it, a 'Fair' policy would be one where everyone pays the same. Even under a conservative government, higher earners pay more than their 'fair share', and yet Labour want to tax them even more. In my view, Labour's approach to income tax actually discourages people from achieving their potential and punishes success. Paying the same isn't fair as its not related to your ability to pay. That's why Labour generally prefer progressive taxation (e.g. income tax), over flat taxation (e.g. VAT). Here's a question for you. Does someone on, let's say £100K a year use local services any more than someone on £10K a year? Do they use the NHS more? Actually, they probably use it less as with that level of income they may have Private Health Insurance. They can also afford to send their children to Private Schools, so again, they're using less services than lower earners, but are expected to pay more towards them. Let's face it, it's unlikely that any system will be seen as being truly fair. Or perhaps, for some at least, it's better that it be fairer to some than to others. Lets say 1 person has £100 in the bank, they go shopping and buy £10 of items, paying £2 in tax or 2% or their money on tax. Now take person 2 who has £1,000 in the bank also buys £10 of items, also paying £2 in tax, but that is only 0.2% of their money. Is it fair that one person spends 2% of their money on tax while someone else spends a tenth of that on tax? Different sides of the political debate see "fair" in different ways. Sorry but that's a poor analogy as your talking about income that's already been taxed. Both of your examples are paying VAT at the same rate. It's not a poor analogy, it's explaining how flat rate taxes aren't linked to your ability to pay. But your talking about a flat rate of sales tax Not income tax. The money being spent has already been subjected to income tax. It depends where the money has come from, it could be from investments, ISAs, inheritance, etc etc. All with differing rates of tax or not as the case may be. But all of the above will have had to come from earned income at some point, which will have been taxed at source( unless of course it's a lottery win!) " You are really struggling with this simple concept aren't you? | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up?" Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? " I do, but not everyone does. | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? I do, but not everyone does." So you actually voluntarily pay more tax than you have to I'd sooner donate my spare income to causes that I care about Like the elderly Ex forces charities And MIND | |||
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"Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a fair tax policy. But the problem is, that Labour's approach has never been a 'fair' tax policy. Think about it, a 'Fair' policy would be one where everyone pays the same. Even under a conservative government, higher earners pay more than their 'fair share', and yet Labour want to tax them even more. In my view, Labour's approach to income tax actually discourages people from achieving their potential and punishes success. Paying the same isn't fair as its not related to your ability to pay. That's why Labour generally prefer progressive taxation (e.g. income tax), over flat taxation (e.g. VAT). Here's a question for you. Does someone on, let's say £100K a year use local services any more than someone on £10K a year? Do they use the NHS more? Actually, they probably use it less as with that level of income they may have Private Health Insurance. They can also afford to send their children to Private Schools, so again, they're using less services than lower earners, but are expected to pay more towards them. Let's face it, it's unlikely that any system will be seen as being truly fair. Or perhaps, for some at least, it's better that it be fairer to some than to others. Lets say 1 person has £100 in the bank, they go shopping and buy £10 of items, paying £2 in tax or 2% or their money on tax. Now take person 2 who has £1,000 in the bank also buys £10 of items, also paying £2 in tax, but that is only 0.2% of their money. Is it fair that one person spends 2% of their money on tax while someone else spends a tenth of that on tax? Different sides of the political debate see "fair" in different ways. Sorry but that's a poor analogy as your talking about income that's already been taxed. Both of your examples are paying VAT at the same rate. It's not a poor analogy, it's explaining how flat rate taxes aren't linked to your ability to pay. But your talking about a flat rate of sales tax Not income tax. The money being spent has already been subjected to income tax. It depends where the money has come from, it could be from investments, ISAs, inheritance, etc etc. All with differing rates of tax or not as the case may be. But all of the above will have had to come from earned income at some point, which will have been taxed at source( unless of course it's a lottery win!) You are really struggling with this simple concept aren't you?" what concept am I struggling with? You're the one that's struggling with the fact that a flat sales tax is applied is applied to disposable income that has already been subjected to variable rate income tax, thus making a nonsense of your original post | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? I do, but not everyone does." Do you, at the end of the tax year, every year, give HMRC a voluntary amount over and above what you are legally obliged to pay? How much extra have you given this year? Or are you just saying that you would like to, but actually dont? | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn says "Parking fees are ‘a tax on serious illnesses’ and the free parking policy would be funded by raising insurance tax on serious illnesses in private health care hospitals instead
But serious health issues are very different for those who have the same condition and are treated by the NHS. So of course you should be taxed on your lillness for being stupid enough to have taken out private health care. Or surrending some of your income to by it as flexible benefit of your employer"Why is it stupid to have private health care? I had an injury and went to my doctor on a Tuesday morning, was referred to a private specialist and saw him on the Thursday, had an x-ray same day and within an hour of the x-ray was referred for an MRI scan, had the MRI scan the following Monday Private health care provides instant access at the time you need it no waiting 6 months or so for MRI | |||
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"PFI was not started by Labour. They just carried on and went further with what was Thatchers idea.. People want jam and politicians want votes and are too scared to raise taxes to fund the infrastructure and NHS etc so it's an easy solution to paper over the cracks.. Thatcher used to go on about family and traditional home life but using PFI is and was the practise of using the tally man to get by.. Some days on here it's like no Tory government has ever run up debt whilst in power. It's a historical falsehood.. Neither of the main 2 have been perfect and neither of the main 2 have been totally bad .. " It was John Major that introduced PFI, not Margaret Thatcher | |||
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"PFI was not started by Labour. They just carried on and went further with what was Thatchers idea.. People want jam and politicians want votes and are too scared to raise taxes to fund the infrastructure and NHS etc so it's an easy solution to paper over the cracks.. Thatcher used to go on about family and traditional home life but using PFI is and was the practise of using the tally man to get by.. Some days on here it's like no Tory government has ever run up debt whilst in power. It's a historical falsehood.. Neither of the main 2 have been perfect and neither of the main 2 have been totally bad .. It was John Major that introduced PFI, not Margaret Thatcher" Thanks for the correction.. | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? I do, but not everyone does. Do you, at the end of the tax year, every year, give HMRC a voluntary amount over and above what you are legally obliged to pay? How much extra have you given this year? Or are you just saying that you would like to, but actually dont?" I do pay more tax than I have to as I gift aid my charitable donations. Those donations are a legitimate tax right off that I could claim back from HMRC, however I chose not to. Thus I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? I do, but not everyone does. Do you, at the end of the tax year, every year, give HMRC a voluntary amount over and above what you are legally obliged to pay? How much extra have you given this year? Or are you just saying that you would like to, but actually dont? I do pay more tax than I have to as I gift aid my charitable donations. Those donations are a legitimate tax right off that I could claim back from HMRC, however I chose not to. Thus I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. " Fucking hell. All the gift aids I've ever done, I've never once thought if it as an argument that I pay more tax than I have to. How much do you give to charity then, and how much extra tax does that equal? You shouled go into politics, justifying yourself in such a pathetic manner. | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? I do, but not everyone does. Do you, at the end of the tax year, every year, give HMRC a voluntary amount over and above what you are legally obliged to pay? How much extra have you given this year? Or are you just saying that you would like to, but actually dont? I do pay more tax than I have to as I gift aid my charitable donations. Those donations are a legitimate tax right off that I could claim back from HMRC, however I chose not to. Thus I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Fucking hell. All the gift aids I've ever done, I've never once thought if it as an argument that I pay more tax than I have to. How much do you give to charity then, and how much extra tax does that equal? You shouled go into politics, justifying yourself in such a pathetic manner. " It's not my fault that you have failed to appreciate how the gift aid system works. | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? I do, but not everyone does. Do you, at the end of the tax year, every year, give HMRC a voluntary amount over and above what you are legally obliged to pay? How much extra have you given this year? Or are you just saying that you would like to, but actually dont? I do pay more tax than I have to as I gift aid my charitable donations. Those donations are a legitimate tax right off that I could claim back from HMRC, however I chose not to. Thus I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Fucking hell. All the gift aids I've ever done, I've never once thought if it as an argument that I pay more tax than I have to. How much do you give to charity then, and how much extra tax does that equal? You shouled go into politics, justifying yourself in such a pathetic manner. It's not my fault that you have failed to appreciate how the gift aid system works." I know exactly how the gift aid system works, thank you. And like I said, I don't gift the tax element thinking "ooh, aren't I good, paying more tax than anyone else"..... Apart from anything, the tax element goes to the charity, not the country. Really scraping the barrel with that justification of how you voluntarily pay more tax to the exchequer. | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? I do, but not everyone does. Do you, at the end of the tax year, every year, give HMRC a voluntary amount over and above what you are legally obliged to pay? How much extra have you given this year? Or are you just saying that you would like to, but actually dont? I do pay more tax than I have to as I gift aid my charitable donations. Those donations are a legitimate tax right off that I could claim back from HMRC, however I chose not to. Thus I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Fucking hell. All the gift aids I've ever done, I've never once thought if it as an argument that I pay more tax than I have to. How much do you give to charity then, and how much extra tax does that equal? You shouled go into politics, justifying yourself in such a pathetic manner. It's not my fault that you have failed to appreciate how the gift aid system works. I know exactly how the gift aid system works, thank you. And like I said, I don't gift the tax element thinking "ooh, aren't I good, paying more tax than anyone else"..... Apart from anything, the tax element goes to the charity, not the country. Really scraping the barrel with that justification of how you voluntarily pay more tax to the exchequer. " You may not think that when you gift aid a donation, however the result is that you are not claim back a deduction to which you're legally entitled. | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? I do, but not everyone does. Do you, at the end of the tax year, every year, give HMRC a voluntary amount over and above what you are legally obliged to pay? How much extra have you given this year? Or are you just saying that you would like to, but actually dont? I do pay more tax than I have to as I gift aid my charitable donations. Those donations are a legitimate tax right off that I could claim back from HMRC, however I chose not to. Thus I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Fucking hell. All the gift aids I've ever done, I've never once thought if it as an argument that I pay more tax than I have to. How much do you give to charity then, and how much extra tax does that equal? You shouled go into politics, justifying yourself in such a pathetic manner. " He writes utter bollocks gift aiding isn't about claiming back over paid tax I've never ever thought to myself hey steve, tick the gift aid box, you could have had a refund on that money far better to give it away I tick it so the organisation can qualify for the appropriate sum from HMRC And if it's as he says, how does that work when you donate unwanted clothes and household items... I've yet to hear of any body who can get tax relief on their clothes unless they are required as part of a profession or form part of your PPE | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? I do, but not everyone does. Do you, at the end of the tax year, every year, give HMRC a voluntary amount over and above what you are legally obliged to pay? How much extra have you given this year? Or are you just saying that you would like to, but actually dont? I do pay more tax than I have to as I gift aid my charitable donations. Those donations are a legitimate tax right off that I could claim back from HMRC, however I chose not to. Thus I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Fucking hell. All the gift aids I've ever done, I've never once thought if it as an argument that I pay more tax than I have to. How much do you give to charity then, and how much extra tax does that equal? You shouled go into politics, justifying yourself in such a pathetic manner. It's not my fault that you have failed to appreciate how the gift aid system works. I know exactly how the gift aid system works, thank you. And like I said, I don't gift the tax element thinking "ooh, aren't I good, paying more tax than anyone else"..... Apart from anything, the tax element goes to the charity, not the country. Really scraping the barrel with that justification of how you voluntarily pay more tax to the exchequer. You may not think that when you gift aid a donation, however the result is that you are not claim back a deduction to which you're legally entitled. " You are really beyond belief, so you don't actually put your hand in your pocket, pull out some cash and donate it to HMRC in the manner you are proposing. But hand over a bag of rags to be weighed in and sold of to Africa or chopped up for cleaning cloth. Put a tick in the box so the charity can actually claim back a few more sheckles from HMRC by using your post code lol You tight bugger try actually donating some cash effort and time Typical leftie, tight as fuck | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? I do, but not everyone does. Do you, at the end of the tax year, every year, give HMRC a voluntary amount over and above what you are legally obliged to pay? How much extra have you given this year? Or are you just saying that you would like to, but actually dont? I do pay more tax than I have to as I gift aid my charitable donations. Those donations are a legitimate tax right off that I could claim back from HMRC, however I chose not to. Thus I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Fucking hell. All the gift aids I've ever done, I've never once thought if it as an argument that I pay more tax than I have to. How much do you give to charity then, and how much extra tax does that equal? You shouled go into politics, justifying yourself in such a pathetic manner. It's not my fault that you have failed to appreciate how the gift aid system works. I know exactly how the gift aid system works, thank you. And like I said, I don't gift the tax element thinking "ooh, aren't I good, paying more tax than anyone else"..... Apart from anything, the tax element goes to the charity, not the country. Really scraping the barrel with that justification of how you voluntarily pay more tax to the exchequer. You may not think that when you gift aid a donation, however the result is that you are not claim back a deduction to which you're legally entitled. You are really beyond belief, so you don't actually put your hand in your pocket, pull out some cash and donate it to HMRC in the manner you are proposing. But hand over a bag of rags to be weighed in and sold of to Africa or chopped up for cleaning cloth. Put a tick in the box so the charity can actually claim back a few more sheckles from HMRC by using your post code lol You tight bugger try actually donating some cash effort and time Typical leftie, tight as fuck" I have described exactly how I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Someone has metioned above that you can't make donations to HMRC, it's not a charity! I don't know why you consistently make incorrect assumptions about me and what I do with my time or money or professional life. | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? I do, but not everyone does. Do you, at the end of the tax year, every year, give HMRC a voluntary amount over and above what you are legally obliged to pay? How much extra have you given this year? Or are you just saying that you would like to, but actually dont? I do pay more tax than I have to as I gift aid my charitable donations. Those donations are a legitimate tax right off that I could claim back from HMRC, however I chose not to. Thus I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Fucking hell. All the gift aids I've ever done, I've never once thought if it as an argument that I pay more tax than I have to. How much do you give to charity then, and how much extra tax does that equal? You shouled go into politics, justifying yourself in such a pathetic manner. It's not my fault that you have failed to appreciate how the gift aid system works. I know exactly how the gift aid system works, thank you. And like I said, I don't gift the tax element thinking "ooh, aren't I good, paying more tax than anyone else"..... Apart from anything, the tax element goes to the charity, not the country. Really scraping the barrel with that justification of how you voluntarily pay more tax to the exchequer. You may not think that when you gift aid a donation, however the result is that you are not claim back a deduction to which you're legally entitled. You are really beyond belief, so you don't actually put your hand in your pocket, pull out some cash and donate it to HMRC in the manner you are proposing. But hand over a bag of rags to be weighed in and sold of to Africa or chopped up for cleaning cloth. Put a tick in the box so the charity can actually claim back a few more sheckles from HMRC by using your post code lol You tight bugger try actually donating some cash effort and time Typical leftie, tight as fuck I have described exactly how I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Someone has metioned above that you can't make donations to HMRC, it's not a charity! I don't know why you consistently make incorrect assumptions about me and what I do with my time or money or professional life." Using your approach I bet about 40% of the UK actually pays more tax than they need to do | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? I do, but not everyone does. Do you, at the end of the tax year, every year, give HMRC a voluntary amount over and above what you are legally obliged to pay? How much extra have you given this year? Or are you just saying that you would like to, but actually dont? I do pay more tax than I have to as I gift aid my charitable donations. Those donations are a legitimate tax right off that I could claim back from HMRC, however I chose not to. Thus I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Fucking hell. All the gift aids I've ever done, I've never once thought if it as an argument that I pay more tax than I have to. How much do you give to charity then, and how much extra tax does that equal? You shouled go into politics, justifying yourself in such a pathetic manner. It's not my fault that you have failed to appreciate how the gift aid system works. I know exactly how the gift aid system works, thank you. And like I said, I don't gift the tax element thinking "ooh, aren't I good, paying more tax than anyone else"..... Apart from anything, the tax element goes to the charity, not the country. Really scraping the barrel with that justification of how you voluntarily pay more tax to the exchequer. You may not think that when you gift aid a donation, however the result is that you are not claim back a deduction to which you're legally entitled. You are really beyond belief, so you don't actually put your hand in your pocket, pull out some cash and donate it to HMRC in the manner you are proposing. But hand over a bag of rags to be weighed in and sold of to Africa or chopped up for cleaning cloth. Put a tick in the box so the charity can actually claim back a few more sheckles from HMRC by using your post code lol You tight bugger try actually donating some cash effort and time Typical leftie, tight as fuck I have described exactly how I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Someone has metioned above that you can't make donations to HMRC, it's not a charity! I don't know why you consistently make incorrect assumptions about me and what I do with my time or money or professional life. Using your approach I bet about 40% of the UK actually pays more tax than they need to do " Quite possibly, what's your point? | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? I do, but not everyone does. Do you, at the end of the tax year, every year, give HMRC a voluntary amount over and above what you are legally obliged to pay? How much extra have you given this year? Or are you just saying that you would like to, but actually dont? I do pay more tax than I have to as I gift aid my charitable donations. Those donations are a legitimate tax right off that I could claim back from HMRC, however I chose not to. Thus I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Fucking hell. All the gift aids I've ever done, I've never once thought if it as an argument that I pay more tax than I have to. How much do you give to charity then, and how much extra tax does that equal? You shouled go into politics, justifying yourself in such a pathetic manner. It's not my fault that you have failed to appreciate how the gift aid system works. I know exactly how the gift aid system works, thank you. And like I said, I don't gift the tax element thinking "ooh, aren't I good, paying more tax than anyone else"..... Apart from anything, the tax element goes to the charity, not the country. Really scraping the barrel with that justification of how you voluntarily pay more tax to the exchequer. You may not think that when you gift aid a donation, however the result is that you are not claim back a deduction to which you're legally entitled. You are really beyond belief, so you don't actually put your hand in your pocket, pull out some cash and donate it to HMRC in the manner you are proposing. But hand over a bag of rags to be weighed in and sold of to Africa or chopped up for cleaning cloth. Put a tick in the box so the charity can actually claim back a few more sheckles from HMRC by using your post code lol You tight bugger try actually donating some cash effort and time Typical leftie, tight as fuck I have described exactly how I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Someone has metioned above that you can't make donations to HMRC, it's not a charity! I don't know why you consistently make incorrect assumptions about me and what I do with my time or money or professional life. Using your approach I bet about 40% of the UK actually pays more tax than they need to do Quite possibly, what's your point?" By using gift aid as your way of volunteering more tax your actually taking piss by trying to say you donate more in tax than actually have to I've never heard anybody who ticks the box say you know what, I won't claim the tax back for myself I will give it to the cause I'm guessing the capitalist people I know are a more generous breed | |||
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"Good in principle. The trouble is my hospital costs loads to park and has loads of parking. But there still isn't near enough parking at peak times (probably because it's a super hospital serving the whole county in one location) and the car parks must cost money to build and maintain. So my question is will Corbyn build more parking spaces so everyone can park and will he find the funding to maintain the car parks and cover the lost revenue to the NHS? Or is this more pie in the sky policies made on the back of Labours seemingly blank cheque book?"  | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? I do, but not everyone does. Do you, at the end of the tax year, every year, give HMRC a voluntary amount over and above what you are legally obliged to pay? How much extra have you given this year? Or are you just saying that you would like to, but actually dont? I do pay more tax than I have to as I gift aid my charitable donations. Those donations are a legitimate tax right off that I could claim back from HMRC, however I chose not to. Thus I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Fucking hell. All the gift aids I've ever done, I've never once thought if it as an argument that I pay more tax than I have to. How much do you give to charity then, and how much extra tax does that equal? You shouled go into politics, justifying yourself in such a pathetic manner. It's not my fault that you have failed to appreciate how the gift aid system works. I know exactly how the gift aid system works, thank you. And like I said, I don't gift the tax element thinking "ooh, aren't I good, paying more tax than anyone else"..... Apart from anything, the tax element goes to the charity, not the country. Really scraping the barrel with that justification of how you voluntarily pay more tax to the exchequer. You may not think that when you gift aid a donation, however the result is that you are not claim back a deduction to which you're legally entitled. You are really beyond belief, so you don't actually put your hand in your pocket, pull out some cash and donate it to HMRC in the manner you are proposing. But hand over a bag of rags to be weighed in and sold of to Africa or chopped up for cleaning cloth. Put a tick in the box so the charity can actually claim back a few more sheckles from HMRC by using your post code lol You tight bugger try actually donating some cash effort and time Typical leftie, tight as fuck I have described exactly how I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Someone has metioned above that you can't make donations to HMRC, it's not a charity! I don't know why you consistently make incorrect assumptions about me and what I do with my time or money or professional life." So let me get this right, in gift aiding and not claiming back the tax, you are allowing the charity to claim toecap on your behalf..... So pray tell, what part of that is giving the exchequer ANY extra of your wages? Not even a gnat with half a brain would even attempt to justify what you're trying to..... | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? I do, but not everyone does. Do you, at the end of the tax year, every year, give HMRC a voluntary amount over and above what you are legally obliged to pay? How much extra have you given this year? Or are you just saying that you would like to, but actually dont? I do pay more tax than I have to as I gift aid my charitable donations. Those donations are a legitimate tax right off that I could claim back from HMRC, however I chose not to. Thus I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Fucking hell. All the gift aids I've ever done, I've never once thought if it as an argument that I pay more tax than I have to. How much do you give to charity then, and how much extra tax does that equal? You shouled go into politics, justifying yourself in such a pathetic manner. It's not my fault that you have failed to appreciate how the gift aid system works. I know exactly how the gift aid system works, thank you. And like I said, I don't gift the tax element thinking "ooh, aren't I good, paying more tax than anyone else"..... Apart from anything, the tax element goes to the charity, not the country. Really scraping the barrel with that justification of how you voluntarily pay more tax to the exchequer. You may not think that when you gift aid a donation, however the result is that you are not claim back a deduction to which you're legally entitled. You are really beyond belief, so you don't actually put your hand in your pocket, pull out some cash and donate it to HMRC in the manner you are proposing. But hand over a bag of rags to be weighed in and sold of to Africa or chopped up for cleaning cloth. Put a tick in the box so the charity can actually claim back a few more sheckles from HMRC by using your post code lol You tight bugger try actually donating some cash effort and time Typical leftie, tight as fuck I have described exactly how I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Someone has metioned above that you can't make donations to HMRC, it's not a charity! I don't know why you consistently make incorrect assumptions about me and what I do with my time or money or professional life. So let me get this right, in gift aiding and not claiming back the tax, you are allowing the charity to claim toecap on your behalf..... So pray tell, what part of that is giving the exchequer ANY extra of your wages? Not even a gnat with half a brain would even attempt to justify what you're trying to....." It's the logic of CLCC, we should try asking the gnat lol | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise "Be careful teachers pet is well looked after | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? I do, but not everyone does. Do you, at the end of the tax year, every year, give HMRC a voluntary amount over and above what you are legally obliged to pay? How much extra have you given this year? Or are you just saying that you would like to, but actually dont? I do pay more tax than I have to as I gift aid my charitable donations. Those donations are a legitimate tax right off that I could claim back from HMRC, however I chose not to. Thus I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Fucking hell. All the gift aids I've ever done, I've never once thought if it as an argument that I pay more tax than I have to. How much do you give to charity then, and how much extra tax does that equal? You shouled go into politics, justifying yourself in such a pathetic manner. It's not my fault that you have failed to appreciate how the gift aid system works. I know exactly how the gift aid system works, thank you. And like I said, I don't gift the tax element thinking "ooh, aren't I good, paying more tax than anyone else"..... Apart from anything, the tax element goes to the charity, not the country. Really scraping the barrel with that justification of how you voluntarily pay more tax to the exchequer. You may not think that when you gift aid a donation, however the result is that you are not claim back a deduction to which you're legally entitled. You are really beyond belief, so you don't actually put your hand in your pocket, pull out some cash and donate it to HMRC in the manner you are proposing. But hand over a bag of rags to be weighed in and sold of to Africa or chopped up for cleaning cloth. Put a tick in the box so the charity can actually claim back a few more sheckles from HMRC by using your post code lol You tight bugger try actually donating some cash effort and time Typical leftie, tight as fuck I have described exactly how I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Someone has metioned above that you can't make donations to HMRC, it's not a charity! I don't know why you consistently make incorrect assumptions about me and what I do with my time or money or professional life. So let me get this right, in gift aiding and not claiming back the tax, you are allowing the charity to claim toecap on your behalf..... So pray tell, what part of that is giving the exchequer ANY extra of your wages? Not even a gnat with half a brain would even attempt to justify what you're trying to..... It's the logic of CLCC, we should try asking the gnat lol" No wonder they shy away from answering questions most of the time.... I've watched over many months, the holier than thou, all you others are as thick as pig shit attitude..... And now have completely proved themselves totally clueless about even the simplest of concepts. So, for their benefit, here it is again... IF YOU GIFT AID IT MEANS THERE'S LESS, NOT MORE, GOING TO THE EXCHEQUER. | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? I do, but not everyone does. Do you, at the end of the tax year, every year, give HMRC a voluntary amount over and above what you are legally obliged to pay? How much extra have you given this year? Or are you just saying that you would like to, but actually dont? I do pay more tax than I have to as I gift aid my charitable donations. Those donations are a legitimate tax right off that I could claim back from HMRC, however I chose not to. Thus I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Fucking hell. All the gift aids I've ever done, I've never once thought if it as an argument that I pay more tax than I have to. How much do you give to charity then, and how much extra tax does that equal? You shouled go into politics, justifying yourself in such a pathetic manner. It's not my fault that you have failed to appreciate how the gift aid system works. I know exactly how the gift aid system works, thank you. And like I said, I don't gift the tax element thinking "ooh, aren't I good, paying more tax than anyone else"..... Apart from anything, the tax element goes to the charity, not the country. Really scraping the barrel with that justification of how you voluntarily pay more tax to the exchequer. You may not think that when you gift aid a donation, however the result is that you are not claim back a deduction to which you're legally entitled. You are really beyond belief, so you don't actually put your hand in your pocket, pull out some cash and donate it to HMRC in the manner you are proposing. But hand over a bag of rags to be weighed in and sold of to Africa or chopped up for cleaning cloth. Put a tick in the box so the charity can actually claim back a few more sheckles from HMRC by using your post code lol You tight bugger try actually donating some cash effort and time Typical leftie, tight as fuck I have described exactly how I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Someone has metioned above that you can't make donations to HMRC, it's not a charity! I don't know why you consistently make incorrect assumptions about me and what I do with my time or money or professional life. So let me get this right, in gift aiding and not claiming back the tax, you are allowing the charity to claim toecap on your behalf..... So pray tell, what part of that is giving the exchequer ANY extra of your wages? Not even a gnat with half a brain would even attempt to justify what you're trying to..... It's the logic of CLCC, we should try asking the gnat lol No wonder they shy away from answering questions most of the time.... I've watched over many months, the holier than thou, all you others are as thick as pig shit attitude..... And now have completely proved themselves totally clueless about even the simplest of concepts. So, for their benefit, here it is again... IF YOU GIFT AID IT MEANS THERE'S LESS, NOT MORE, GOING TO THE EXCHEQUER. " Does CLCC advise Diane Abbott, as their grasp of maths seems to be very very similar | |||
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"Sooo..... if you gift aid, tax that you could have claimed back yourself is obviously claimed back by the charity organisation instead. The Tax man still looses out, he still has to give money from our poor cash strapped HMRC to the charity so I still don't see how that makes you able to pay more tax than you need to, you're still asking for that refund of tax through gift aid. Only way to pay more tax that HMRC keeps is not to gift aid, then the poor HMRC keeps tax that YOU could have claimed back. That's the only way you can end up paying more tax than is needed." This is taken from gov.uk. "2. Gift Aid Donating through Gift Aid means charities and community amateur sports clubs (CASCs) can claim an extra 25p for every £1 you give. It won’t cost you any extra. Charities can claim Gift Aid on most donations, but some payments don’t qualify. What you need to do You need to make a Gift Aid declaration for the charity to claim. You usually do this by filling in a form - contact the charity if you haven’t got one. You must give a declaration to each charity you want to donate to through Gift Aid. You can include all donations from the last 4 years. Tell the charity about any tax years where you didn’t pay enough tax. Paying enough tax to qualify for Gift Aid Your donations will qualify as long as they’re not more than 4 times what you have paid in tax in that tax year (6 April to 5 April). The tax could have been paid on income or capital gains. You must tell the charities you support if you stop paying enough tax. Higher rate taxpayers If you pay tax at the higher or additional rate, you can claim the difference between the rate you pay and basic rate on your donation. Do this either: through your Self Assessment tax return by asking HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) to amend your tax code Example You donate £100 to charity - they claim Gift Aid to make your donation £125. You pay 40% tax so you can personally claim back £25.00 (£125 x 20%)." So you see how you can donate to charity, gift aid it, and not claim the tax, thus paying more than you are legally obliged to? | |||
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"Just checked, and gift aid costs the country in the region of £1.5 Billion per year. That's a COST, not extra money in the coffers. That's the equivalent of about 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers AND 15,000 nurses, with change left over. " So what we are saying his that CLCC's donation is not helping his much loved causes I.E. the NHS social benefits the hungry, but actually directly removes money away from them | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? I do, but not everyone does. Do you, at the end of the tax year, every year, give HMRC a voluntary amount over and above what you are legally obliged to pay? How much extra have you given this year? Or are you just saying that you would like to, but actually dont? I do pay more tax than I have to as I gift aid my charitable donations. Those donations are a legitimate tax right off that I could claim back from HMRC, however I chose not to. Thus I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Fucking hell. All the gift aids I've ever done, I've never once thought if it as an argument that I pay more tax than I have to. How much do you give to charity then, and how much extra tax does that equal? You shouled go into politics, justifying yourself in such a pathetic manner. It's not my fault that you have failed to appreciate how the gift aid system works. I know exactly how the gift aid system works, thank you. And like I said, I don't gift the tax element thinking "ooh, aren't I good, paying more tax than anyone else"..... Apart from anything, the tax element goes to the charity, not the country. Really scraping the barrel with that justification of how you voluntarily pay more tax to the exchequer. You may not think that when you gift aid a donation, however the result is that you are not claim back a deduction to which you're legally entitled. You are really beyond belief, so you don't actually put your hand in your pocket, pull out some cash and donate it to HMRC in the manner you are proposing. But hand over a bag of rags to be weighed in and sold of to Africa or chopped up for cleaning cloth. Put a tick in the box so the charity can actually claim back a few more sheckles from HMRC by using your post code lol You tight bugger try actually donating some cash effort and time Typical leftie, tight as fuck I have described exactly how I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Someone has metioned above that you can't make donations to HMRC, it's not a charity! I don't know why you consistently make incorrect assumptions about me and what I do with my time or money or professional life. So let me get this right, in gift aiding and not claiming back the tax, you are allowing the charity to claim toecap on your behalf..... So pray tell, what part of that is giving the exchequer ANY extra of your wages? Not even a gnat with half a brain would even attempt to justify what you're trying to..... It's the logic of CLCC, we should try asking the gnat lol No wonder they shy away from answering questions most of the time.... I've watched over many months, the holier than thou, all you others are as thick as pig shit attitude..... And now have completely proved themselves totally clueless about even the simplest of concepts. So, for their benefit, here it is again... IF YOU GIFT AID IT MEANS THERE'S LESS, NOT MORE, GOING TO THE EXCHEQUER. " You must of missed the thread when he claimed ISIS are not terroists but just alcoholic petty criminals. He went very quiet after that one too. Actually, everytime he answers a question and gets found out he goes quiet. | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise "Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled. | |||
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"Just checked, and gift aid costs the country in the region of £1.5 Billion per year. That's a COST, not extra money in the coffers. That's the equivalent of about 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers AND 15,000 nurses, with change left over. " if you have a problem with it then blame norman lamont | |||
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"It's settled then the vast majority know that CLCC logic in saying that by gift aiding a minuscule amount of tax relief to charity he is some how paying more tax and helping his favourite causes which he claims are being personally decimated by Theresa May. Then HMRC give that minute amount to a charity and some how they are also to spend the cash twice. Alll because he is a very very generous person who donates even more of his income to HMRC Strange how once he knows he has been found out as speaking absolute bollocks he shuts up, but not before he has tried to discredit anybody who doesn't have the same views as him Nowww where is that gnat I was chatting with "Where have I said that May is personally decimating my favourite causes? 
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"Sooo..... if you gift aid, tax that you could have claimed back yourself is obviously claimed back by the charity organisation instead. The Tax man still looses out, he still has to give money from our poor cash strapped HMRC to the charity so I still don't see how that makes you able to pay more tax than you need to, you're still asking for that refund of tax through gift aid. Only way to pay more tax that HMRC keeps is not to gift aid, then the poor HMRC keeps tax that YOU could have claimed back. That's the only way you can end up paying more tax than is needed. This is taken from gov.uk. "2. Gift Aid Donating through Gift Aid means charities and community amateur sports clubs (CASCs) can claim an extra 25p for every £1 you give. It won’t cost you any extra. Charities can claim Gift Aid on most donations, but some payments don’t qualify. What you need to do You need to make a Gift Aid declaration for the charity to claim. You usually do this by filling in a form - contact the charity if you haven’t got one. You must give a declaration to each charity you want to donate to through Gift Aid. You can include all donations from the last 4 years. Tell the charity about any tax years where you didn’t pay enough tax. Paying enough tax to qualify for Gift Aid Your donations will qualify as long as they’re not more than 4 times what you have paid in tax in that tax year (6 April to 5 April). The tax could have been paid on income or capital gains. You must tell the charities you support if you stop paying enough tax. Higher rate taxpayers If you pay tax at the higher or additional rate, you can claim the difference between the rate you pay and basic rate on your donation. Do this either: through your Self Assessment tax return by asking HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) to amend your tax code Example You donate £100 to charity - they claim Gift Aid to make your donation £125. You pay 40% tax so you can personally claim back £25.00 (£125 x 20%)." So you see how you can donate to charity, gift aid it, and not claim the tax, thus paying more than you are legally obliged to? " That isn't paying more tax. It is what hmrc entitles you to pay and you will find that it is still a tax break to aid charity The only surprise is that you are self employed. I thought people flipping burgers were generally directly employed  | |||
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"Sooo..... if you gift aid, tax that you could have claimed back yourself is obviously claimed back by the charity organisation instead. The Tax man still looses out, he still has to give money from our poor cash strapped HMRC to the charity so I still don't see how that makes you able to pay more tax than you need to, you're still asking for that refund of tax through gift aid. Only way to pay more tax that HMRC keeps is not to gift aid, then the poor HMRC keeps tax that YOU could have claimed back. That's the only way you can end up paying more tax than is needed. This is taken from gov.uk. "2. Gift Aid Donating through Gift Aid means charities and community amateur sports clubs (CASCs) can claim an extra 25p for every £1 you give. It won’t cost you any extra. Charities can claim Gift Aid on most donations, but some payments don’t qualify. What you need to do You need to make a Gift Aid declaration for the charity to claim. You usually do this by filling in a form - contact the charity if you haven’t got one. You must give a declaration to each charity you want to donate to through Gift Aid. You can include all donations from the last 4 years. Tell the charity about any tax years where you didn’t pay enough tax. Paying enough tax to qualify for Gift Aid Your donations will qualify as long as they’re not more than 4 times what you have paid in tax in that tax year (6 April to 5 April). The tax could have been paid on income or capital gains. You must tell the charities you support if you stop paying enough tax. Higher rate taxpayers If you pay tax at the higher or additional rate, you can claim the difference between the rate you pay and basic rate on your donation. Do this either: through your Self Assessment tax return by asking HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) to amend your tax code Example You donate £100 to charity - they claim Gift Aid to make your donation £125. You pay 40% tax so you can personally claim back £25.00 (£125 x 20%)." So you see how you can donate to charity, gift aid it, and not claim the tax, thus paying more than you are legally obliged to? That isn't paying more tax. It is what hmrc entitles you to pay and you will find that it is still a tax break to aid charity The only surprise is that you are self employed. I thought people flipping burgers were generally directly employed "He's a Director of mcdonalds franchise | |||
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"I'm not interested in smart arsed insults. I pay a fifth of my wage in income tax and loads in national insurance too. Then I pay VAT on lots of my purchases. I think that's enough. To be utterly clear. I GUESS that people don't want taxes raised. I notice you have not answered me as to you voluntarily paying extra tax as you seem so keen! what insult? is this another thing you've made up? Do you wish to volunteer to pay more tax than other people, yes or no? I do, but not everyone does. Do you, at the end of the tax year, every year, give HMRC a voluntary amount over and above what you are legally obliged to pay? How much extra have you given this year? Or are you just saying that you would like to, but actually dont? I do pay more tax than I have to as I gift aid my charitable donations. Those donations are a legitimate tax right off that I could claim back from HMRC, however I chose not to. Thus I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Fucking hell. All the gift aids I've ever done, I've never once thought if it as an argument that I pay more tax than I have to. How much do you give to charity then, and how much extra tax does that equal? You shouled go into politics, justifying yourself in such a pathetic manner. It's not my fault that you have failed to appreciate how the gift aid system works. I know exactly how the gift aid system works, thank you. And like I said, I don't gift the tax element thinking "ooh, aren't I good, paying more tax than anyone else"..... Apart from anything, the tax element goes to the charity, not the country. Really scraping the barrel with that justification of how you voluntarily pay more tax to the exchequer. You may not think that when you gift aid a donation, however the result is that you are not claim back a deduction to which you're legally entitled. You are really beyond belief, so you don't actually put your hand in your pocket, pull out some cash and donate it to HMRC in the manner you are proposing. But hand over a bag of rags to be weighed in and sold of to Africa or chopped up for cleaning cloth. Put a tick in the box so the charity can actually claim back a few more sheckles from HMRC by using your post code lol You tight bugger try actually donating some cash effort and time Typical leftie, tight as fuck I have described exactly how I pay more tax than I am legally obligated to pay. Someone has metioned above that you can't make donations to HMRC, it's not a charity! I don't know why you consistently make incorrect assumptions about me and what I do with my time or money or professional life. So let me get this right, in gift aiding and not claiming back the tax, you are allowing the charity to claim toecap on your behalf..... So pray tell, what part of that is giving the exchequer ANY extra of your wages? Not even a gnat with half a brain would even attempt to justify what you're trying to..... It's the logic of CLCC, we should try asking the gnat lol No wonder they shy away from answering questions most of the time.... I've watched over many months, the holier than thou, all you others are as thick as pig shit attitude..... And now have completely proved themselves totally clueless about even the simplest of concepts. So, for their benefit, here it is again... IF YOU GIFT AID IT MEANS THERE'S LESS, NOT MORE, GOING TO THE EXCHEQUER. You must of missed the thread when he claimed ISIS are not terroists but just alcoholic petty criminals. He went very quiet after that one too. Actually, everytime he answers a question and gets found out he goes quiet. "Yeah I rad that one, may be can give them international aid to set up a cal, centre. We can then get a call hello steve, do you know about that car crash would you like to gift aid part of your claim to your local ISIS charirty. | |||
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" You must of missed the thread when he claimed ISIS are not terroists but just alcoholic petty criminals. He went very quiet after that one too. " I said that so called islamic terrorists that attack the West are usually unemployed petty criminals actually. Hasib Hussain - shoplifter Fabien Clain - 5 years spent in prison Salah Abdeslam - one month sentence for theft Ibrahim El Bakraoui - sentenced for armed robbery Mohamed Abrini (joske) - thief Khalid al-Bakrawi - car theft and robbery Khalid Masood - public order offenses and GBH Bulgasem Zehaf-Bibeau - drug possession and theft (plus parole violations) Elton Simpson - convicted of making false statements to police Nadir Soofi - 20+ driving offenses, drug dealing, giving alcohol to kids Abdul Kareem - drink driving and assault. Omar Abdel Hamid El-Hussein - assault, cannabis possession, weapons possession. Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad - convicted of using a fake passport. Need I go on? | |||
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"Sooo..... if you gift aid, tax that you could have claimed back yourself is obviously claimed back by the charity organisation instead. The Tax man still looses out, he still has to give money from our poor cash strapped HMRC to the charity so I still don't see how that makes you able to pay more tax than you need to, you're still asking for that refund of tax through gift aid. Only way to pay more tax that HMRC keeps is not to gift aid, then the poor HMRC keeps tax that YOU could have claimed back. That's the only way you can end up paying more tax than is needed. This is taken from gov.uk. "2. Gift Aid Donating through Gift Aid means charities and community amateur sports clubs (CASCs) can claim an extra 25p for every £1 you give. It won’t cost you any extra. Charities can claim Gift Aid on most donations, but some payments don’t qualify. What you need to do You need to make a Gift Aid declaration for the charity to claim. You usually do this by filling in a form - contact the charity if you haven’t got one. You must give a declaration to each charity you want to donate to through Gift Aid. You can include all donations from the last 4 years. Tell the charity about any tax years where you didn’t pay enough tax. Paying enough tax to qualify for Gift Aid Your donations will qualify as long as they’re not more than 4 times what you have paid in tax in that tax year (6 April to 5 April). The tax could have been paid on income or capital gains. You must tell the charities you support if you stop paying enough tax. Higher rate taxpayers If you pay tax at the higher or additional rate, you can claim the difference between the rate you pay and basic rate on your donation. Do this either: through your Self Assessment tax return by asking HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) to amend your tax code Example You donate £100 to charity - they claim Gift Aid to make your donation £125. You pay 40% tax so you can personally claim back £25.00 (£125 x 20%)." So you see how you can donate to charity, gift aid it, and not claim the tax, thus paying more than you are legally obliged to? That isn't paying more tax. It is what hmrc entitles you to pay and you will find that it is still a tax break to aid charity The only surprise is that you are self employed. I thought people flipping burgers were generally directly employed "So if you are entitled to claim tax relief from HMRC, and you don't, what happens to that money? | |||
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"Sooo..... if you gift aid, tax that you could have claimed back yourself is obviously claimed back by the charity organisation instead. The Tax man still looses out, he still has to give money from our poor cash strapped HMRC to the charity so I still don't see how that makes you able to pay more tax than you need to, you're still asking for that refund of tax through gift aid. Only way to pay more tax that HMRC keeps is not to gift aid, then the poor HMRC keeps tax that YOU could have claimed back. That's the only way you can end up paying more tax than is needed. This is taken from gov.uk. "2. Gift Aid Donating through Gift Aid means charities and community amateur sports clubs (CASCs) can claim an extra 25p for every £1 you give. It won’t cost you any extra. Charities can claim Gift Aid on most donations, but some payments don’t qualify. What you need to do You need to make a Gift Aid declaration for the charity to claim. You usually do this by filling in a form - contact the charity if you haven’t got one. You must give a declaration to each charity you want to donate to through Gift Aid. You can include all donations from the last 4 years. Tell the charity about any tax years where you didn’t pay enough tax. Paying enough tax to qualify for Gift Aid Your donations will qualify as long as they’re not more than 4 times what you have paid in tax in that tax year (6 April to 5 April). The tax could have been paid on income or capital gains. You must tell the charities you support if you stop paying enough tax. Higher rate taxpayers If you pay tax at the higher or additional rate, you can claim the difference between the rate you pay and basic rate on your donation. Do this either: through your Self Assessment tax return by asking HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) to amend your tax code Example You donate £100 to charity - they claim Gift Aid to make your donation £125. You pay 40% tax so you can personally claim back £25.00 (£125 x 20%)." So you see how you can donate to charity, gift aid it, and not claim the tax, thus paying more than you are legally obliged to? That isn't paying more tax. It is what hmrc entitles you to pay and you will find that it is still a tax break to aid charity The only surprise is that you are self employed. I thought people flipping burgers were generally directly employed
He's a Director of mcdonalds franchise "Unfortunately I'm not, but Ray Kroc did pretty well for himself. They just made a movie about him, but I haven't had a chance to see it yet. | |||
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"Sooo..... if you gift aid, tax that you could have claimed back yourself is obviously claimed back by the charity organisation instead. The Tax man still looses out, he still has to give money from our poor cash strapped HMRC to the charity so I still don't see how that makes you able to pay more tax than you need to, you're still asking for that refund of tax through gift aid. Only way to pay more tax that HMRC keeps is not to gift aid, then the poor HMRC keeps tax that YOU could have claimed back. That's the only way you can end up paying more tax than is needed. This is taken from gov.uk. "2. Gift Aid Donating through Gift Aid means charities and community amateur sports clubs (CASCs) can claim an extra 25p for every £1 you give. It won’t cost you any extra. Charities can claim Gift Aid on most donations, but some payments don’t qualify. What you need to do You need to make a Gift Aid declaration for the charity to claim. You usually do this by filling in a form - contact the charity if you haven’t got one. You must give a declaration to each charity you want to donate to through Gift Aid. You can include all donations from the last 4 years. Tell the charity about any tax years where you didn’t pay enough tax. Paying enough tax to qualify for Gift Aid Your donations will qualify as long as they’re not more than 4 times what you have paid in tax in that tax year (6 April to 5 April). The tax could have been paid on income or capital gains. You must tell the charities you support if you stop paying enough tax. Higher rate taxpayers If you pay tax at the higher or additional rate, you can claim the difference between the rate you pay and basic rate on your donation. Do this either: through your Self Assessment tax return by asking HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) to amend your tax code Example You donate £100 to charity - they claim Gift Aid to make your donation £125. You pay 40% tax so you can personally claim back £25.00 (£125 x 20%)." So you see how you can donate to charity, gift aid it, and not claim the tax, thus paying more than you are legally obliged to? That isn't paying more tax. It is what hmrc entitles you to pay and you will find that it is still a tax break to aid charity The only surprise is that you are self employed. I thought people flipping burgers were generally directly employed
So if you are entitled to claim tax relief from HMRC, and you don't, what happens to that money?"HMRC will rebate it to you or you need a better accountant. Either way it isn't over paying tax. It is not possible to overpay tax. Everyone knows that about from you. So give up, no one cares what feeble excuses you come up with it doesn't change one very simple fact. YOU CAN NOT PAY MORE TAX THAN YOU HAVE TO! | |||
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" You must of missed the thread when he claimed ISIS are not terroists but just alcoholic petty criminals. He went very quiet after that one too. I said that so called islamic terrorists that attack the West are usually unemployed petty criminals actually. Hasib Hussain - shoplifter Fabien Clain - 5 years spent in prison Salah Abdeslam - one month sentence for theft Ibrahim El Bakraoui - sentenced for armed robbery Mohamed Abrini (joske) - thief Khalid al-Bakrawi - car theft and robbery Khalid Masood - public order offenses and GBH Bulgasem Zehaf-Bibeau - drug possession and theft (plus parole violations) Elton Simpson - convicted of making false statements to police Nadir Soofi - 20+ driving offenses, drug dealing, giving alcohol to kids Abdul Kareem - drink driving and assault. Omar Abdel Hamid El-Hussein - assault, cannabis possession, weapons possession. Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad - convicted of using a fake passport. Need I go on? " Please do if it stops you sprouting out all your other bollocks | |||
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"Sooo..... if you gift aid, tax that you could have claimed back yourself is obviously claimed back by the charity organisation instead. The Tax man still looses out, he still has to give money from our poor cash strapped HMRC to the charity so I still don't see how that makes you able to pay more tax than you need to, you're still asking for that refund of tax through gift aid. Only way to pay more tax that HMRC keeps is not to gift aid, then the poor HMRC keeps tax that YOU could have claimed back. That's the only way you can end up paying more tax than is needed. This is taken from gov.uk. "2. Gift Aid Donating through Gift Aid means charities and community amateur sports clubs (CASCs) can claim an extra 25p for every £1 you give. It won’t cost you any extra. Charities can claim Gift Aid on most donations, but some payments don’t qualify. What you need to do You need to make a Gift Aid declaration for the charity to claim. You usually do this by filling in a form - contact the charity if you haven’t got one. You must give a declaration to each charity you want to donate to through Gift Aid. You can include all donations from the last 4 years. Tell the charity about any tax years where you didn’t pay enough tax. Paying enough tax to qualify for Gift Aid Your donations will qualify as long as they’re not more than 4 times what you have paid in tax in that tax year (6 April to 5 April). The tax could have been paid on income or capital gains. You must tell the charities you support if you stop paying enough tax. Higher rate taxpayers If you pay tax at the higher or additional rate, you can claim the difference between the rate you pay and basic rate on your donation. Do this either: through your Self Assessment tax return by asking HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) to amend your tax code Example You donate £100 to charity - they claim Gift Aid to make your donation £125. You pay 40% tax so you can personally claim back £25.00 (£125 x 20%)." So you see how you can donate to charity, gift aid it, and not claim the tax, thus paying more than you are legally obliged to? That isn't paying more tax. It is what hmrc entitles you to pay and you will find that it is still a tax break to aid charity The only surprise is that you are self employed. I thought people flipping burgers were generally directly employed
So if you are entitled to claim tax relief from HMRC, and you don't, what happens to that money?
HMRC will rebate it to you or you need a better accountant. Either way it isn't over paying tax. It is not possible to overpay tax. Everyone knows that about from you. So give up, no one cares what feeble excuses you come up with it doesn't change one very simple fact. YOU CAN NOT PAY MORE TAX THAN YOU HAVE TO!"No, they won't rebate it for you if you dont claim it, they just keep it. In the same way if you dont claim a benefit to which you are entitled, the government get to keep the money, they dont just give it to you anyway! That's why the government gets to cling on to between £10-15bn in unclaimed benefits each year. | |||
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"You can not pay more tax than you have to. End of conversation." There are plenty of things that you can do to make sure money that legally could be in your pocket, is actually in the government's pocket. I have mentioned just two ways above. You might want to use the phrase "pay more tax" but it doesn't matter what you call it, the outcome is the same. | |||
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"You can not pay more tax than you have to. End of conversation." Yes you can by not claiming tax allowances you are entitled too. So in that respect yes you can voluntary pay more PAYE to HMRC than you have too if there are allowances you can claim against your PAYE. This gift aid argument dosen't stand up in my book though if its Gift Aided. | |||
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" You must of missed the thread when he claimed ISIS are not terroists but just alcoholic petty criminals. He went very quiet after that one too. After your act of Jehad your previous sins are forgiven. The 19 men who hit the twin towers Pentagon and the missed targets visited strip clubs and drank alcohol. Those sons were forgiven by committing Jehad. I said that so called islamic terrorists that attack the West are usually unemployed petty criminals actually. Hasib Hussain - shoplifter Fabien Clain - 5 years spent in prison Salah Abdeslam - one month sentence for theft Ibrahim El Bakraoui - sentenced for armed robbery Mohamed Abrini (joske) - thief Khalid al-Bakrawi - car theft and robbery Khalid Masood - public order offenses and GBH Bulgasem Zehaf-Bibeau - drug possession and theft (plus parole violations) Elton Simpson - convicted of making false statements to police Nadir Soofi - 20+ driving offenses, drug dealing, giving alcohol to kids Abdul Kareem - drink driving and assault. Omar Abdel Hamid El-Hussein - assault, cannabis possession, weapons possession. Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad - convicted of using a fake passport. Need I go on? Please do if it stops you sprouting out all your other bollocks " | |||
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"It's settled then the vast majority know that CLCC logic in saying that by gift aiding a minuscule amount of tax relief to charity he is some how paying more tax and helping his favourite causes which he claims are being personally decimated by Theresa May. Then HMRC give that minute amount to a charity and some how they are also to spend the cash twice. Alll because he is a very very generous person who donates even more of his income to HMRC Strange how once he knows he has been found out as speaking absolute bollocks he shuts up, but not before he has tried to discredit anybody who doesn't have the same views as him Nowww where is that gnat I was chatting with
Where have I said that May is personally decimating my favourite causes?
It's hilarious how I leave you guys alone for a couple of hours and you all throw your toys out of the pram and dont know what to do with yourselves! "It's quite sad really, you've missed your true vocation. You really should think about a career change....here's a couple if options- contortionist; every time you open your mouth you manage to get your size 10s in it. Grave digger. You dig holes so fast you could break records. Road worker. Same reason as grave digger. Diane Abbot's speech writer. | |||
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"It's settled then the vast majority know that CLCC logic in saying that by gift aiding a minuscule amount of tax relief to charity he is some how paying more tax and helping his favourite causes which he claims are being personally decimated by Theresa May. Then HMRC give that minute amount to a charity and some how they are also to spend the cash twice. Alll because he is a very very generous person who donates even more of his income to HMRC Strange how once he knows he has been found out as speaking absolute bollocks he shuts up, but not before he has tried to discredit anybody who doesn't have the same views as him Nowww where is that gnat I was chatting with
Where have I said that May is personally decimating my favourite causes?
It's hilarious how I leave you guys alone for a couple of hours and you all throw your toys out of the pram and dont know what to do with yourselves!
It's quite sad really, you've missed your true vocation. You really should think about a career change....here's a couple if options-
contortionist; every time you open your mouth you manage to get your size 10s in it.
Grave digger. You dig holes so fast you could break records.
Road worker. Same reason as grave digger.
Diane Abbot's speech writer."I thought my polish builder who has half a foot was a good guy with a shovel but CLCC takes the crown Dig! CLCC Dig!... | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled. "So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief? | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?"As long as its legal I don't see any issue. | |||
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Btw let's find the most extortionate - I'll start with £8.50 a day in Herts. | |||
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"And back to the subject of extorionate hospital parking charges...
Btw let's find the most extortionate - I'll start with £8.50 a day in Herts."£18.50 in Cambridge | |||
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"And back to the subject of extorionate hospital parking charges...
Btw let's find the most extortionate - I'll start with £8.50 a day in Herts.
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"I've just had a thought... Her indoors doesn't work, and I don't claim what I'm legally entitled to. I'm waiting for a letter of thanks from HMRC for all the money I'm voluntarily donating to the exchequer. "
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"And back to the subject of extorionate hospital parking charges...
Btw let's find the most extortionate - I'll start with £8.50 a day in Herts.
£18.50 in Cambridge
Bloody hell."18.50 is extorniate with or with out PFI etc | |||
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"And back to the subject of extorionate hospital parking charges...
Btw let's find the most extortionate - I'll start with £8.50 a day in Herts."I wouldn't have a clue how much it is in stoke Think I paid about £3 the last time my mum was in the Uni | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue. "Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax? And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax? And yet they have done everything above board and legally..... | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally....."So now you are changing from individuals to corporations? | |||
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"You can not pay more tax than you have to. End of conversation. Yes you can by not claiming tax allowances you are entitled too. So in that respect yes you can voluntary pay more PAYE to HMRC than you have too if there are allowances you can claim against your PAYE. This gift aid argument dosen't stand up in my book though if its Gift Aided." Technically it isn't paying more though which is what one deluded individual thinks they do. Not reclaiming tax relief is different and something a lot of people do, many without realising. | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations? "So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations? Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations? Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know. And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them? Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones? | |||
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"You can not pay more tax than you have to. End of conversation. Yes you can by not claiming tax allowances you are entitled too. So in that respect yes you can voluntary pay more PAYE to HMRC than you have too if there are allowances you can claim against your PAYE. This gift aid argument dosen't stand up in my book though if its Gift Aided. Technically it isn't paying more though which is what one deluded individual thinks they do. Not reclaiming tax relief is different and something a lot of people do, many without realising." Yet the result is the same | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?"Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you? | |||
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"You can not pay more tax than you have to. End of conversation. Yes you can by not claiming tax allowances you are entitled too. So in that respect yes you can voluntary pay more PAYE to HMRC than you have too if there are allowances you can claim against your PAYE. This gift aid argument dosen't stand up in my book though if its Gift Aided. Technically it isn't paying more though which is what one deluded individual thinks they do. Not reclaiming tax relief is different and something a lot of people do, many without realising." No no your wrong, buy gifting aiding he is actually helping UK plc meet its targets, as he volunteers to pay more tax | |||
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"You can not pay more tax than you have to. End of conversation. Yes you can by not claiming tax allowances you are entitled too. So in that respect yes you can voluntary pay more PAYE to HMRC than you have too if there are allowances you can claim against your PAYE. This gift aid argument dosen't stand up in my book though if its Gift Aided. Technically it isn't paying more though which is what one deluded individual thinks they do. Not reclaiming tax relief is different and something a lot of people do, many without realising. Yet the result is the same "The result is the same if you don't claim your tax relief back or allow a charity to claim it back from your donation and let HMRC keep it. | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?"How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc? | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?"Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me. | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me. "You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more? I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'. Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague. Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why. | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why."You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on. It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them. | |||
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"charities are lucrative businesses now, so let me get this straight. correct me if im wrong. so theres this charity like save the snail or something. i give £100 pounds to them with gift aid and then save the snail goes to the hrmc and claims £25 from them from gov coffers. so now they have £125. with only about 5% going to the actual cause £6.25 is that how it works? i guess more money would be going to nhs if it were scrapped! unless i misunderstood " Well it's up to you to decide who to give to, however I would never give to a charity that only spends 5% of their income on their charitable objectives. | |||
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"charities are lucrative businesses now, so let me get this straight. correct me if im wrong. so theres this charity like save the snail or something. i give £100 pounds to them with gift aid and then save the snail goes to the hrmc and claims £25 from them from gov coffers. so now they have £125. with only about 5% going to the actual cause £6.25 is that how it works? i guess more money would be going to nhs if it were scrapped! unless i misunderstood Well it's up to you to decide who to give to, however I would never give to a charity that only spends 5% of their income on their charitable objectives. " but isnt that the minimum though for it to operate as a charity. its below 10% is that how gift aid works, though for every £100 the gov give the charity £25. and then only £6.25 is used for charitable objectives. does seem the gov are giving money away willie nillie though if thats the case. | |||
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"charities are lucrative businesses now, so let me get this straight. correct me if im wrong. so theres this charity like save the snail or something. i give £100 pounds to them with gift aid and then save the snail goes to the hrmc and claims £25 from them from gov coffers. so now they have £125. with only about 5% going to the actual cause £6.25 is that how it works? i guess more money would be going to nhs if it were scrapped! unless i misunderstood Well it's up to you to decide who to give to, however I would never give to a charity that only spends 5% of their income on their charitable objectives. but isnt that the minimum though for it to operate as a charity. its below 10% is that how gift aid works, though for every £100 the gov give the charity £25. and then only £6.25 is used for charitable objectives. does seem the gov are giving money away willie nillie though if thats the case." I don't believe that is the case. Do you have any sources to back up your assertions? | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them. "Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't. Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values. And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked. Or are you completely thick? | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?"We all know why they don't like answering questions; because when they do.... | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
We all know why they don't like answering questions; because when they do.... " | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?"On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities. On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?" 3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit. | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
"First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this. Shame on you. On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot. Shame on you. And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come. Shame on you. Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue. A bit like you, actually. Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions.... | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions...." | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....".. | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions...."You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers. Shame on You. Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die. Shame on You. You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos. Shame on You. You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments. Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote. | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote."And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude. On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets. Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself. Pathetic. | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic." | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic."Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax? You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it. | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it. ""I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago. I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values. Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant. | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant. "Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted. It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees. Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities! | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities! "Everything you say is bollocks mate | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities! "I asked you who should pay tax, and how much extra they should pay, I asked you what proportion of your income you'd be willing to pay, and how much extra you'd want to pay. You are unable to answer any of these with anything other than 'the government should raise taxes'. I take it you'd be happy with VAT, fuel duty, energy tax, insurance tax, and all other taxes being raised then. And look at you, everything is the fault of Brexit or the tories. ... Try looking closer to home, maybe in the mirror.... | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities!
I asked you who should pay tax, and how much extra they should pay, I asked you what proportion of your income you'd be willing to pay, and how much extra you'd want to pay. You are unable to answer any of these with anything other than 'the government should raise taxes'.
I take it you'd be happy with VAT, fuel duty, energy tax, insurance tax, and all other taxes being raised then.
And look at you, everything is the fault of Brexit or the tories. ...
Try looking closer to home, maybe in the mirror....
"Yes, or course, everything is my fault. I think you overestimate me just a tad.
So, who should pay tax? Everyone should pay some tax, currently everyone pays some tax, so no change there then.
How much extra? It depends on their income, I generally believe that progressive taxation is fairer. The taxes you mentioned are flat taxes, not related to people's ability to pay, so no I wouldn't increase them. Why did you assume that I would? Perhaps because you would and you are doing what you accuse others of doing?
I would be willing for my tax bill to go up say, 2-5%, if that money went to actually providing services.
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"Why so touchy about tax? What % of the public will be affected. 10% to help the 90%? Or is it 80/20 70/30? For me tax is an investment. On infrastructure, safety and benefits. You should be more mad that you're probably paying more tax now compared to the 90s and getting a shitty deal. I'd be happy someone wants our tax to pay for something meaningful but you're focusing on the process and ignoring the goal while turning a blind eye on a party that will make you all pay more tax and give you less for it." | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities!
I asked you who should pay tax, and how much extra they should pay, I asked you what proportion of your income you'd be willing to pay, and how much extra you'd want to pay. You are unable to answer any of these with anything other than 'the government should raise taxes'.
I take it you'd be happy with VAT, fuel duty, energy tax, insurance tax, and all other taxes being raised then.
And look at you, everything is the fault of Brexit or the tories. ...
Try looking closer to home, maybe in the mirror....
Yes, or course, everything is my fault. I think you overestimate me just a tad.
So, who should pay tax? Everyone should pay some tax, currently everyone pays some tax, so no change there then.
How much extra? It depends on their income, I generally believe that progressive taxation is fairer. The taxes you mentioned are flat taxes, not related to people's ability to pay, so no I wouldn't increase them. Why did you assume that I would? Perhaps because you would and you are doing what you accuse others of doing?
I would be willing for my tax bill to go up say, 2-5%, if that money went to actually providing services.
Happy now? I doubt it, people as spiteful and hate filled as you are seldom happy people! "Sorry, you said the government should raise taxes.... You said nothing about which tax. So, 5% income tax rise it is then. Maybe you can afford 5%. Maybe you think everyone who works can afford 5%. Well done, you've just got the exchequer an extra 30 Billion. But on the other hand, you've just reduced take home pay by an average £750 per year. Nurses? Yep, fuck you lot. Teachers? Fuck you too. Police Officers? Yep, you can fuck off too. And you accuse me of being spiteful and hate filled? But well done, you've just raised £30 Billion, maybe it can be spent on public sector pay rises to off set the extra income tax they've got to pay. But that won't improve services, just increase costs. | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities!
I asked you who should pay tax, and how much extra they should pay, I asked you what proportion of your income you'd be willing to pay, and how much extra you'd want to pay. You are unable to answer any of these with anything other than 'the government should raise taxes'.
I take it you'd be happy with VAT, fuel duty, energy tax, insurance tax, and all other taxes being raised then.
And look at you, everything is the fault of Brexit or the tories. ...
Try looking closer to home, maybe in the mirror....
Yes, or course, everything is my fault. I think you overestimate me just a tad.
So, who should pay tax? Everyone should pay some tax, currently everyone pays some tax, so no change there then.
How much extra? It depends on their income, I generally believe that progressive taxation is fairer. The taxes you mentioned are flat taxes, not related to people's ability to pay, so no I wouldn't increase them. Why did you assume that I would? Perhaps because you would and you are doing what you accuse others of doing?
I would be willing for my tax bill to go up say, 2-5%, if that money went to actually providing services.
Happy now? I doubt it, people as spiteful and hate filled as you are seldom happy people!
Sorry, you said the government should raise taxes.... You said nothing about which tax.
So, 5% income tax rise it is then. Maybe you can afford 5%. Maybe you think everyone who works can afford 5%.
Well done, you've just got the exchequer an extra 30 Billion. But on the other hand, you've just reduced take home pay by an average £750 per year. Nurses? Yep, fuck you lot. Teachers? Fuck you too. Police Officers? Yep, you can fuck off too.
And you accuse me of being spiteful and hate filled?
But well done, you've just raised £30 Billion, maybe it can be spent on public sector pay rises to off set the extra income tax they've got to pay. But that won't improve services, just increase costs.
"Are you suggesting different rates of taxation for nurses, teachers and police officers? What about council workers? Soldiers? Traffic wardens? | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities!
I asked you who should pay tax, and how much extra they should pay, I asked you what proportion of your income you'd be willing to pay, and how much extra you'd want to pay. You are unable to answer any of these with anything other than 'the government should raise taxes'.
I take it you'd be happy with VAT, fuel duty, energy tax, insurance tax, and all other taxes being raised then.
And look at you, everything is the fault of Brexit or the tories. ...
Try looking closer to home, maybe in the mirror....
Yes, or course, everything is my fault. I think you overestimate me just a tad.
So, who should pay tax? Everyone should pay some tax, currently everyone pays some tax, so no change there then.
How much extra? It depends on their income, I generally believe that progressive taxation is fairer. The taxes you mentioned are flat taxes, not related to people's ability to pay, so no I wouldn't increase them. Why did you assume that I would? Perhaps because you would and you are doing what you accuse others of doing?
I would be willing for my tax bill to go up say, 2-5%, if that money went to actually providing services.
Happy now? I doubt it, people as spiteful and hate filled as you are seldom happy people!
Sorry, you said the government should raise taxes.... You said nothing about which tax.
So, 5% income tax rise it is then. Maybe you can afford 5%. Maybe you think everyone who works can afford 5%.
Well done, you've just got the exchequer an extra 30 Billion. But on the other hand, you've just reduced take home pay by an average £750 per year. Nurses? Yep, fuck you lot. Teachers? Fuck you too. Police Officers? Yep, you can fuck off too.
And you accuse me of being spiteful and hate filled?
But well done, you've just raised £30 Billion, maybe it can be spent on public sector pay rises to off set the extra income tax they've got to pay. But that won't improve services, just increase costs.
Are you suggesting different rates of taxation for nurses, teachers and police officers? What about council workers? Soldiers? Traffic wardens?
"Are you really that obtuse? Absolutely pathetic. You're suggesting fucking EVERYBODY that works over with a 5% income tax increase. Just because you can afford it, it doesn't mean everybody else can. But well done you, you're alright Jack.... Happy now? | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities!
I asked you who should pay tax, and how much extra they should pay, I asked you what proportion of your income you'd be willing to pay, and how much extra you'd want to pay. You are unable to answer any of these with anything other than 'the government should raise taxes'.
I take it you'd be happy with VAT, fuel duty, energy tax, insurance tax, and all other taxes being raised then.
And look at you, everything is the fault of Brexit or the tories. ...
Try looking closer to home, maybe in the mirror....
Yes, or course, everything is my fault. I think you overestimate me just a tad.
So, who should pay tax? Everyone should pay some tax, currently everyone pays some tax, so no change there then.
How much extra? It depends on their income, I generally believe that progressive taxation is fairer. The taxes you mentioned are flat taxes, not related to people's ability to pay, so no I wouldn't increase them. Why did you assume that I would? Perhaps because you would and you are doing what you accuse others of doing?
I would be willing for my tax bill to go up say, 2-5%, if that money went to actually providing services.
Happy now? I doubt it, people as spiteful and hate filled as you are seldom happy people!
Sorry, you said the government should raise taxes.... You said nothing about which tax.
So, 5% income tax rise it is then. Maybe you can afford 5%. Maybe you think everyone who works can afford 5%.
Well done, you've just got the exchequer an extra 30 Billion. But on the other hand, you've just reduced take home pay by an average £750 per year. Nurses? Yep, fuck you lot. Teachers? Fuck you too. Police Officers? Yep, you can fuck off too.
And you accuse me of being spiteful and hate filled?
But well done, you've just raised £30 Billion, maybe it can be spent on public sector pay rises to off set the extra income tax they've got to pay. But that won't improve services, just increase costs.
Are you suggesting different rates of taxation for nurses, teachers and police officers? What about council workers? Soldiers? Traffic wardens?
Are you really that obtuse? Absolutely pathetic.
You're suggesting fucking EVERYBODY that works over with a 5% income tax increase. Just because you can afford it, it doesn't mean everybody else can.
But well done you, you're alright Jack....
Happy now?"No, I never said that did I? I said it would be progressive taxation, and you asked me how much extra I would pay personally. You then blindly applied that figure to everyone, irrespective of their ability to pay. So come on, answer the question, do you think there should be different rates of taxation for different professions? | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities!
I asked you who should pay tax, and how much extra they should pay, I asked you what proportion of your income you'd be willing to pay, and how much extra you'd want to pay. You are unable to answer any of these with anything other than 'the government should raise taxes'.
I take it you'd be happy with VAT, fuel duty, energy tax, insurance tax, and all other taxes being raised then.
And look at you, everything is the fault of Brexit or the tories. ...
Try looking closer to home, maybe in the mirror....
Yes, or course, everything is my fault. I think you overestimate me just a tad.
So, who should pay tax? Everyone should pay some tax, currently everyone pays some tax, so no change there then.
How much extra? It depends on their income, I generally believe that progressive taxation is fairer. The taxes you mentioned are flat taxes, not related to people's ability to pay, so no I wouldn't increase them. Why did you assume that I would? Perhaps because you would and you are doing what you accuse others of doing?
I would be willing for my tax bill to go up say, 2-5%, if that money went to actually providing services.
Happy now? I doubt it, people as spiteful and hate filled as you are seldom happy people!
Sorry, you said the government should raise taxes.... You said nothing about which tax.
So, 5% income tax rise it is then. Maybe you can afford 5%. Maybe you think everyone who works can afford 5%.
Well done, you've just got the exchequer an extra 30 Billion. But on the other hand, you've just reduced take home pay by an average £750 per year. Nurses? Yep, fuck you lot. Teachers? Fuck you too. Police Officers? Yep, you can fuck off too.
And you accuse me of being spiteful and hate filled?
But well done, you've just raised £30 Billion, maybe it can be spent on public sector pay rises to off set the extra income tax they've got to pay. But that won't improve services, just increase costs.
Are you suggesting different rates of taxation for nurses, teachers and police officers? What about council workers? Soldiers? Traffic wardens?
Are you really that obtuse? Absolutely pathetic.
You're suggesting fucking EVERYBODY that works over with a 5% income tax increase. Just because you can afford it, it doesn't mean everybody else can.
But well done you, you're alright Jack....
Happy now?
No, I never said that did I? I said it would be progressive taxation, and you asked me how much extra I would pay personally. You then blindly applied that figure to everyone, irrespective of their ability to pay.
So come on, answer the question, do you think there should be different rates of taxation for different professions? "You really are obtuse, aren't you? You do understanding income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income, don't you? So no, I don't think it should be different rates for different professions. You said you'd be happy paying 5% extra income tax, so do you think income tax should be applied on an individual level then? And I earlier asked you how much you think income should because by.... So answer the question, or have you once again proposed something that you've given fuck all thought to? | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities!
I asked you who should pay tax, and how much extra they should pay, I asked you what proportion of your income you'd be willing to pay, and how much extra you'd want to pay. You are unable to answer any of these with anything other than 'the government should raise taxes'.
I take it you'd be happy with VAT, fuel duty, energy tax, insurance tax, and all other taxes being raised then.
And look at you, everything is the fault of Brexit or the tories. ...
Try looking closer to home, maybe in the mirror....
Yes, or course, everything is my fault. I think you overestimate me just a tad.
So, who should pay tax? Everyone should pay some tax, currently everyone pays some tax, so no change there then.
How much extra? It depends on their income, I generally believe that progressive taxation is fairer. The taxes you mentioned are flat taxes, not related to people's ability to pay, so no I wouldn't increase them. Why did you assume that I would? Perhaps because you would and you are doing what you accuse others of doing?
I would be willing for my tax bill to go up say, 2-5%, if that money went to actually providing services.
Happy now? I doubt it, people as spiteful and hate filled as you are seldom happy people!
Sorry, you said the government should raise taxes.... You said nothing about which tax.
So, 5% income tax rise it is then. Maybe you can afford 5%. Maybe you think everyone who works can afford 5%.
Well done, you've just got the exchequer an extra 30 Billion. But on the other hand, you've just reduced take home pay by an average £750 per year. Nurses? Yep, fuck you lot. Teachers? Fuck you too. Police Officers? Yep, you can fuck off too.
And you accuse me of being spiteful and hate filled?
But well done, you've just raised £30 Billion, maybe it can be spent on public sector pay rises to off set the extra income tax they've got to pay. But that won't improve services, just increase costs.
Are you suggesting different rates of taxation for nurses, teachers and police officers? What about council workers? Soldiers? Traffic wardens?
Are you really that obtuse? Absolutely pathetic.
You're suggesting fucking EVERYBODY that works over with a 5% income tax increase. Just because you can afford it, it doesn't mean everybody else can.
But well done you, you're alright Jack....
Happy now?
No, I never said that did I? I said it would be progressive taxation, and you asked me how much extra I would pay personally. You then blindly applied that figure to everyone, irrespective of their ability to pay.
So come on, answer the question, do you think there should be different rates of taxation for different professions?
You really are obtuse, aren't you? You do understanding income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income, don't you? So no, I don't think it should be different rates for different professions. You said you'd be happy paying 5% extra income tax, so do you think income tax should be applied on an individual level then?
And I earlier asked you how much you think income should because by.... So answer the question, or have you once again proposed something that you've given fuck all thought to?"I have no idea what "how much you think income should because by" means, so sorry, I can't answer that. You really are ignorant if you think there is only one rate of income tax. Why dont you tell us what the single percentage figure is if your income in £8,000 or £18,000 or £80,000 or £800,000 if you think it's a flat rate. | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities!
I asked you who should pay tax, and how much extra they should pay, I asked you what proportion of your income you'd be willing to pay, and how much extra you'd want to pay. You are unable to answer any of these with anything other than 'the government should raise taxes'.
I take it you'd be happy with VAT, fuel duty, energy tax, insurance tax, and all other taxes being raised then.
And look at you, everything is the fault of Brexit or the tories. ...
Try looking closer to home, maybe in the mirror....
Yes, or course, everything is my fault. I think you overestimate me just a tad.
So, who should pay tax? Everyone should pay some tax, currently everyone pays some tax, so no change there then.
How much extra? It depends on their income, I generally believe that progressive taxation is fairer. The taxes you mentioned are flat taxes, not related to people's ability to pay, so no I wouldn't increase them. Why did you assume that I would? Perhaps because you would and you are doing what you accuse others of doing?
I would be willing for my tax bill to go up say, 2-5%, if that money went to actually providing services.
Happy now? I doubt it, people as spiteful and hate filled as you are seldom happy people!
Sorry, you said the government should raise taxes.... You said nothing about which tax.
So, 5% income tax rise it is then. Maybe you can afford 5%. Maybe you think everyone who works can afford 5%.
Well done, you've just got the exchequer an extra 30 Billion. But on the other hand, you've just reduced take home pay by an average £750 per year. Nurses? Yep, fuck you lot. Teachers? Fuck you too. Police Officers? Yep, you can fuck off too.
And you accuse me of being spiteful and hate filled?
But well done, you've just raised £30 Billion, maybe it can be spent on public sector pay rises to off set the extra income tax they've got to pay. But that won't improve services, just increase costs.
Are you suggesting different rates of taxation for nurses, teachers and police officers? What about council workers? Soldiers? Traffic wardens?
Are you really that obtuse? Absolutely pathetic.
You're suggesting fucking EVERYBODY that works over with a 5% income tax increase. Just because you can afford it, it doesn't mean everybody else can.
But well done you, you're alright Jack....
Happy now?
No, I never said that did I? I said it would be progressive taxation, and you asked me how much extra I would pay personally. You then blindly applied that figure to everyone, irrespective of their ability to pay.
So come on, answer the question, do you think there should be different rates of taxation for different professions?
You really are obtuse, aren't you? You do understanding income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income, don't you? So no, I don't think it should be different rates for different professions. You said you'd be happy paying 5% extra income tax, so do you think income tax should be applied on an individual level then?
And I earlier asked you how much you think income should because by.... So answer the question, or have you once again proposed something that you've given fuck all thought to?
I have no idea what "how much you think income should because by" means, so sorry, I can't answer that.
You really are ignorant if you think there is only one rate of income tax. Why dont you tell us what the single percentage figure is if your income in £8,000 or £18,000 or £80,000 or £800,000 if you think it's a flat rate. "Sorry fat thumbs... How much do you think income tax should because by? And what part of 'income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income' don't you understand? Has that sentence got too many words of more than one syllable in? And saying I'm ignorant about tax is pretty rich coming from you, when a week or so ago you didn't have a clue how much someone who earns £18,700 per year takes home.... And it was me who put you right; even then you wanted to argue about it. Your first guess you were 30% out! I'd get back to your village if I were you, they're missing you. | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities!
I asked you who should pay tax, and how much extra they should pay, I asked you what proportion of your income you'd be willing to pay, and how much extra you'd want to pay. You are unable to answer any of these with anything other than 'the government should raise taxes'.
I take it you'd be happy with VAT, fuel duty, energy tax, insurance tax, and all other taxes being raised then.
And look at you, everything is the fault of Brexit or the tories. ...
Try looking closer to home, maybe in the mirror....
Yes, or course, everything is my fault. I think you overestimate me just a tad.
So, who should pay tax? Everyone should pay some tax, currently everyone pays some tax, so no change there then.
How much extra? It depends on their income, I generally believe that progressive taxation is fairer. The taxes you mentioned are flat taxes, not related to people's ability to pay, so no I wouldn't increase them. Why did you assume that I would? Perhaps because you would and you are doing what you accuse others of doing?
I would be willing for my tax bill to go up say, 2-5%, if that money went to actually providing services.
Happy now? I doubt it, people as spiteful and hate filled as you are seldom happy people!
Sorry, you said the government should raise taxes.... You said nothing about which tax.
So, 5% income tax rise it is then. Maybe you can afford 5%. Maybe you think everyone who works can afford 5%.
Well done, you've just got the exchequer an extra 30 Billion. But on the other hand, you've just reduced take home pay by an average £750 per year. Nurses? Yep, fuck you lot. Teachers? Fuck you too. Police Officers? Yep, you can fuck off too.
And you accuse me of being spiteful and hate filled?
But well done, you've just raised £30 Billion, maybe it can be spent on public sector pay rises to off set the extra income tax they've got to pay. But that won't improve services, just increase costs.
Are you suggesting different rates of taxation for nurses, teachers and police officers? What about council workers? Soldiers? Traffic wardens?
Are you really that obtuse? Absolutely pathetic.
You're suggesting fucking EVERYBODY that works over with a 5% income tax increase. Just because you can afford it, it doesn't mean everybody else can.
But well done you, you're alright Jack....
Happy now?
No, I never said that did I? I said it would be progressive taxation, and you asked me how much extra I would pay personally. You then blindly applied that figure to everyone, irrespective of their ability to pay.
So come on, answer the question, do you think there should be different rates of taxation for different professions?
You really are obtuse, aren't you? You do understanding income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income, don't you? So no, I don't think it should be different rates for different professions. You said you'd be happy paying 5% extra income tax, so do you think income tax should be applied on an individual level then?
And I earlier asked you how much you think income should because by.... So answer the question, or have you once again proposed something that you've given fuck all thought to?
I have no idea what "how much you think income should because by" means, so sorry, I can't answer that.
You really are ignorant if you think there is only one rate of income tax. Why dont you tell us what the single percentage figure is if your income in £8,000 or £18,000 or £80,000 or £800,000 if you think it's a flat rate. "How much do you think the rate of income tax should be increased by? | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities!
I asked you who should pay tax, and how much extra they should pay, I asked you what proportion of your income you'd be willing to pay, and how much extra you'd want to pay. You are unable to answer any of these with anything other than 'the government should raise taxes'.
I take it you'd be happy with VAT, fuel duty, energy tax, insurance tax, and all other taxes being raised then.
And look at you, everything is the fault of Brexit or the tories. ...
Try looking closer to home, maybe in the mirror....
Yes, or course, everything is my fault. I think you overestimate me just a tad.
So, who should pay tax? Everyone should pay some tax, currently everyone pays some tax, so no change there then.
How much extra? It depends on their income, I generally believe that progressive taxation is fairer. The taxes you mentioned are flat taxes, not related to people's ability to pay, so no I wouldn't increase them. Why did you assume that I would? Perhaps because you would and you are doing what you accuse others of doing?
I would be willing for my tax bill to go up say, 2-5%, if that money went to actually providing services.
Happy now? I doubt it, people as spiteful and hate filled as you are seldom happy people!
Sorry, you said the government should raise taxes.... You said nothing about which tax.
So, 5% income tax rise it is then. Maybe you can afford 5%. Maybe you think everyone who works can afford 5%.
Well done, you've just got the exchequer an extra 30 Billion. But on the other hand, you've just reduced take home pay by an average £750 per year. Nurses? Yep, fuck you lot. Teachers? Fuck you too. Police Officers? Yep, you can fuck off too.
And you accuse me of being spiteful and hate filled?
But well done, you've just raised £30 Billion, maybe it can be spent on public sector pay rises to off set the extra income tax they've got to pay. But that won't improve services, just increase costs.
Are you suggesting different rates of taxation for nurses, teachers and police officers? What about council workers? Soldiers? Traffic wardens?
Are you really that obtuse? Absolutely pathetic.
You're suggesting fucking EVERYBODY that works over with a 5% income tax increase. Just because you can afford it, it doesn't mean everybody else can.
But well done you, you're alright Jack....
Happy now?
No, I never said that did I? I said it would be progressive taxation, and you asked me how much extra I would pay personally. You then blindly applied that figure to everyone, irrespective of their ability to pay.
So come on, answer the question, do you think there should be different rates of taxation for different professions?
You really are obtuse, aren't you? You do understanding income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income, don't you? So no, I don't think it should be different rates for different professions. You said you'd be happy paying 5% extra income tax, so do you think income tax should be applied on an individual level then?
And I earlier asked you how much you think income should because by.... So answer the question, or have you once again proposed something that you've given fuck all thought to?
I have no idea what "how much you think income should because by" means, so sorry, I can't answer that.
You really are ignorant if you think there is only one rate of income tax. Why dont you tell us what the single percentage figure is if your income in £8,000 or £18,000 or £80,000 or £800,000 if you think it's a flat rate.
Sorry fat thumbs... How much do you think income tax should because by?
And what part of 'income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income' don't you understand? Has that sentence got too many words of more than one syllable in?
And saying I'm ignorant about tax is pretty rich coming from you, when a week or so ago you didn't have a clue how much someone who earns £18,700 per year takes home.... And it was me who put you right; even then you wanted to argue about it. Your first guess you were 30% out!
I'd get back to your village if I were you, they're missing you.
"nope, you are getting me mixed up with someone else, im sure you'll apologise when you realise your mistake. So come on then, what single rate would all of those people pay? | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities!
I asked you who should pay tax, and how much extra they should pay, I asked you what proportion of your income you'd be willing to pay, and how much extra you'd want to pay. You are unable to answer any of these with anything other than 'the government should raise taxes'.
I take it you'd be happy with VAT, fuel duty, energy tax, insurance tax, and all other taxes being raised then.
And look at you, everything is the fault of Brexit or the tories. ...
Try looking closer to home, maybe in the mirror....
Yes, or course, everything is my fault. I think you overestimate me just a tad.
So, who should pay tax? Everyone should pay some tax, currently everyone pays some tax, so no change there then.
How much extra? It depends on their income, I generally believe that progressive taxation is fairer. The taxes you mentioned are flat taxes, not related to people's ability to pay, so no I wouldn't increase them. Why did you assume that I would? Perhaps because you would and you are doing what you accuse others of doing?
I would be willing for my tax bill to go up say, 2-5%, if that money went to actually providing services.
Happy now? I doubt it, people as spiteful and hate filled as you are seldom happy people!
Sorry, you said the government should raise taxes.... You said nothing about which tax.
So, 5% income tax rise it is then. Maybe you can afford 5%. Maybe you think everyone who works can afford 5%.
Well done, you've just got the exchequer an extra 30 Billion. But on the other hand, you've just reduced take home pay by an average £750 per year. Nurses? Yep, fuck you lot. Teachers? Fuck you too. Police Officers? Yep, you can fuck off too.
And you accuse me of being spiteful and hate filled?
But well done, you've just raised £30 Billion, maybe it can be spent on public sector pay rises to off set the extra income tax they've got to pay. But that won't improve services, just increase costs.
Are you suggesting different rates of taxation for nurses, teachers and police officers? What about council workers? Soldiers? Traffic wardens?
Are you really that obtuse? Absolutely pathetic.
You're suggesting fucking EVERYBODY that works over with a 5% income tax increase. Just because you can afford it, it doesn't mean everybody else can.
But well done you, you're alright Jack....
Happy now?
No, I never said that did I? I said it would be progressive taxation, and you asked me how much extra I would pay personally. You then blindly applied that figure to everyone, irrespective of their ability to pay.
So come on, answer the question, do you think there should be different rates of taxation for different professions?
You really are obtuse, aren't you? You do understanding income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income, don't you? So no, I don't think it should be different rates for different professions. You said you'd be happy paying 5% extra income tax, so do you think income tax should be applied on an individual level then?
And I earlier asked you how much you think income should because by.... So answer the question, or have you once again proposed something that you've given fuck all thought to?
I have no idea what "how much you think income should because by" means, so sorry, I can't answer that.
You really are ignorant if you think there is only one rate of income tax. Why dont you tell us what the single percentage figure is if your income in £8,000 or £18,000 or £80,000 or £800,000 if you think it's a flat rate.
Sorry fat thumbs... How much do you think income tax should because by?
And what part of 'income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income' don't you understand? Has that sentence got too many words of more than one syllable in?
And saying I'm ignorant about tax is pretty rich coming from you, when a week or so ago you didn't have a clue how much someone who earns £18,700 per year takes home.... And it was me who put you right; even then you wanted to argue about it. Your first guess you were 30% out!
I'd get back to your village if I were you, they're missing you.
nope, you are getting me mixed up with someone else, im sure you'll apologise when you realise your mistake. So come on then, what single rate would all of those people pay?"No, I'm not mistaken, your village really is missing you
But apart from that,
CLCC 2 weeks ago
"Well £8 x 45 hrs a week is £360 as mentioned, which equates to £18,720 annually, or £1,560 per month before deductions. If we take a rough guess of those deductions equalling 22% then take would leave a take home pay of £1216 per month"
The deductions actually equate to 14.7% for that income. So, only a little bit out weren't you? And yet you still wanted to argue about it!
Your apologies are accepted.
So now you answer.... How much do you think income should be raised by? | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities!
I asked you who should pay tax, and how much extra they should pay, I asked you what proportion of your income you'd be willing to pay, and how much extra you'd want to pay. You are unable to answer any of these with anything other than 'the government should raise taxes'.
I take it you'd be happy with VAT, fuel duty, energy tax, insurance tax, and all other taxes being raised then.
And look at you, everything is the fault of Brexit or the tories. ...
Try looking closer to home, maybe in the mirror....
Yes, or course, everything is my fault. I think you overestimate me just a tad.
So, who should pay tax? Everyone should pay some tax, currently everyone pays some tax, so no change there then.
How much extra? It depends on their income, I generally believe that progressive taxation is fairer. The taxes you mentioned are flat taxes, not related to people's ability to pay, so no I wouldn't increase them. Why did you assume that I would? Perhaps because you would and you are doing what you accuse others of doing?
I would be willing for my tax bill to go up say, 2-5%, if that money went to actually providing services.
Happy now? I doubt it, people as spiteful and hate filled as you are seldom happy people!
Sorry, you said the government should raise taxes.... You said nothing about which tax.
So, 5% income tax rise it is then. Maybe you can afford 5%. Maybe you think everyone who works can afford 5%.
Well done, you've just got the exchequer an extra 30 Billion. But on the other hand, you've just reduced take home pay by an average £750 per year. Nurses? Yep, fuck you lot. Teachers? Fuck you too. Police Officers? Yep, you can fuck off too.
And you accuse me of being spiteful and hate filled?
But well done, you've just raised £30 Billion, maybe it can be spent on public sector pay rises to off set the extra income tax they've got to pay. But that won't improve services, just increase costs.
Are you suggesting different rates of taxation for nurses, teachers and police officers? What about council workers? Soldiers? Traffic wardens?
Are you really that obtuse? Absolutely pathetic.
You're suggesting fucking EVERYBODY that works over with a 5% income tax increase. Just because you can afford it, it doesn't mean everybody else can.
But well done you, you're alright Jack....
Happy now?
No, I never said that did I? I said it would be progressive taxation, and you asked me how much extra I would pay personally. You then blindly applied that figure to everyone, irrespective of their ability to pay.
So come on, answer the question, do you think there should be different rates of taxation for different professions?
You really are obtuse, aren't you? You do understanding income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income, don't you? So no, I don't think it should be different rates for different professions. You said you'd be happy paying 5% extra income tax, so do you think income tax should be applied on an individual level then?
And I earlier asked you how much you think income should because by.... So answer the question, or have you once again proposed something that you've given fuck all thought to?
I have no idea what "how much you think income should because by" means, so sorry, I can't answer that.
You really are ignorant if you think there is only one rate of income tax. Why dont you tell us what the single percentage figure is if your income in £8,000 or £18,000 or £80,000 or £800,000 if you think it's a flat rate.
Sorry fat thumbs... How much do you think income tax should because by?
And what part of 'income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income' don't you understand? Has that sentence got too many words of more than one syllable in?
And saying I'm ignorant about tax is pretty rich coming from you, when a week or so ago you didn't have a clue how much someone who earns £18,700 per year takes home.... And it was me who put you right; even then you wanted to argue about it. Your first guess you were 30% out!
I'd get back to your village if I were you, they're missing you.
nope, you are getting me mixed up with someone else, im sure you'll apologise when you realise your mistake. So come on then, what single rate would all of those people pay?
No, I'm not mistaken, your village really is missing you
But apart from that,
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"Well £8 x 45 hrs a week is £360 as mentioned, which equates to £18,720 annually, or £1,560 per month before deductions. If we take a rough guess of those deductions equalling 22% then take would leave a take home pay of £1216 per month"
The deductions actually equate to 14.7% for that income. So, only a little bit out weren't you? And yet you still wanted to argue about it!
Your apologies are accepted.
So now you answer.... How much do you think income should be raised by?"So I made a rough guess that was out by 14.7%, and you said that I was out by 30% (when you actually accused a different poster on that thread of being out by the 30%). So that means you were out by 15.3% surely that makes you the bigger idiot, or is your maths as bad as your politics? How much should income raise by? That would be up to peoples bosses, not for the government to decide, apart from in the public sector obviously. | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities!
I asked you who should pay tax, and how much extra they should pay, I asked you what proportion of your income you'd be willing to pay, and how much extra you'd want to pay. You are unable to answer any of these with anything other than 'the government should raise taxes'.
I take it you'd be happy with VAT, fuel duty, energy tax, insurance tax, and all other taxes being raised then.
And look at you, everything is the fault of Brexit or the tories. ...
Try looking closer to home, maybe in the mirror....
Yes, or course, everything is my fault. I think you overestimate me just a tad.
So, who should pay tax? Everyone should pay some tax, currently everyone pays some tax, so no change there then.
How much extra? It depends on their income, I generally believe that progressive taxation is fairer. The taxes you mentioned are flat taxes, not related to people's ability to pay, so no I wouldn't increase them. Why did you assume that I would? Perhaps because you would and you are doing what you accuse others of doing?
I would be willing for my tax bill to go up say, 2-5%, if that money went to actually providing services.
Happy now? I doubt it, people as spiteful and hate filled as you are seldom happy people!
Sorry, you said the government should raise taxes.... You said nothing about which tax.
So, 5% income tax rise it is then. Maybe you can afford 5%. Maybe you think everyone who works can afford 5%.
Well done, you've just got the exchequer an extra 30 Billion. But on the other hand, you've just reduced take home pay by an average £750 per year. Nurses? Yep, fuck you lot. Teachers? Fuck you too. Police Officers? Yep, you can fuck off too.
And you accuse me of being spiteful and hate filled?
But well done, you've just raised £30 Billion, maybe it can be spent on public sector pay rises to off set the extra income tax they've got to pay. But that won't improve services, just increase costs.
Are you suggesting different rates of taxation for nurses, teachers and police officers? What about council workers? Soldiers? Traffic wardens?
Are you really that obtuse? Absolutely pathetic.
You're suggesting fucking EVERYBODY that works over with a 5% income tax increase. Just because you can afford it, it doesn't mean everybody else can.
But well done you, you're alright Jack....
Happy now?
No, I never said that did I? I said it would be progressive taxation, and you asked me how much extra I would pay personally. You then blindly applied that figure to everyone, irrespective of their ability to pay.
So come on, answer the question, do you think there should be different rates of taxation for different professions?
You really are obtuse, aren't you? You do understanding income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income, don't you? So no, I don't think it should be different rates for different professions. You said you'd be happy paying 5% extra income tax, so do you think income tax should be applied on an individual level then?
And I earlier asked you how much you think income should because by.... So answer the question, or have you once again proposed something that you've given fuck all thought to?
I have no idea what "how much you think income should because by" means, so sorry, I can't answer that.
You really are ignorant if you think there is only one rate of income tax. Why dont you tell us what the single percentage figure is if your income in £8,000 or £18,000 or £80,000 or £800,000 if you think it's a flat rate.
Sorry fat thumbs... How much do you think income tax should because by?
And what part of 'income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income' don't you understand? Has that sentence got too many words of more than one syllable in?
And saying I'm ignorant about tax is pretty rich coming from you, when a week or so ago you didn't have a clue how much someone who earns £18,700 per year takes home.... And it was me who put you right; even then you wanted to argue about it. Your first guess you were 30% out!
I'd get back to your village if I were you, they're missing you.
nope, you are getting me mixed up with someone else, im sure you'll apologise when you realise your mistake. So come on then, what single rate would all of those people pay?
No, I'm not mistaken, your village really is missing you
But apart from that,
CLCC 2 weeks ago
"Well £8 x 45 hrs a week is £360 as mentioned, which equates to £18,720 annually, or £1,560 per month before deductions. If we take a rough guess of those deductions equalling 22% then take would leave a take home pay of £1216 per month"
The deductions actually equate to 14.7% for that income. So, only a little bit out weren't you? And yet you still wanted to argue about it!
Your apologies are accepted.
So now you answer.... How much do you think income should be raised by?
So I made a rough guess that was out by 14.7%, and you said that I was out by 30% (when you actually accused a different poster on that thread of being out by the 30%). So that means you were out by 15.3% surely that makes you the bigger idiot, or is your maths as bad as your politics?
How much should income raise by? That would be up to peoples bosses, not for the government to decide, apart from in the public sector obviously. "There you go again, being selective in your quotations. I got the figure bang on..... You tried arguing the toss over that. And you're saying my figures are 15% out? When in fact all I did was put another person's estimate at £1,000 and mistakenly replied to you?... That was the 30% out. You said it was £1216, when it's actually 1344...And you still wanted to argue over your figures! How much do you think the government should raise income tax by? | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities!
I asked you who should pay tax, and how much extra they should pay, I asked you what proportion of your income you'd be willing to pay, and how much extra you'd want to pay. You are unable to answer any of these with anything other than 'the government should raise taxes'.
I take it you'd be happy with VAT, fuel duty, energy tax, insurance tax, and all other taxes being raised then.
And look at you, everything is the fault of Brexit or the tories. ...
Try looking closer to home, maybe in the mirror....
Yes, or course, everything is my fault. I think you overestimate me just a tad.
So, who should pay tax? Everyone should pay some tax, currently everyone pays some tax, so no change there then.
How much extra? It depends on their income, I generally believe that progressive taxation is fairer. The taxes you mentioned are flat taxes, not related to people's ability to pay, so no I wouldn't increase them. Why did you assume that I would? Perhaps because you would and you are doing what you accuse others of doing?
I would be willing for my tax bill to go up say, 2-5%, if that money went to actually providing services.
Happy now? I doubt it, people as spiteful and hate filled as you are seldom happy people!
Sorry, you said the government should raise taxes.... You said nothing about which tax.
So, 5% income tax rise it is then. Maybe you can afford 5%. Maybe you think everyone who works can afford 5%.
Well done, you've just got the exchequer an extra 30 Billion. But on the other hand, you've just reduced take home pay by an average £750 per year. Nurses? Yep, fuck you lot. Teachers? Fuck you too. Police Officers? Yep, you can fuck off too.
And you accuse me of being spiteful and hate filled?
But well done, you've just raised £30 Billion, maybe it can be spent on public sector pay rises to off set the extra income tax they've got to pay. But that won't improve services, just increase costs.
Are you suggesting different rates of taxation for nurses, teachers and police officers? What about council workers? Soldiers? Traffic wardens?
Are you really that obtuse? Absolutely pathetic.
You're suggesting fucking EVERYBODY that works over with a 5% income tax increase. Just because you can afford it, it doesn't mean everybody else can.
But well done you, you're alright Jack....
Happy now?
No, I never said that did I? I said it would be progressive taxation, and you asked me how much extra I would pay personally. You then blindly applied that figure to everyone, irrespective of their ability to pay.
So come on, answer the question, do you think there should be different rates of taxation for different professions?
You really are obtuse, aren't you? You do understanding income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income, don't you? So no, I don't think it should be different rates for different professions. You said you'd be happy paying 5% extra income tax, so do you think income tax should be applied on an individual level then?
And I earlier asked you how much you think income should because by.... So answer the question, or have you once again proposed something that you've given fuck all thought to?
I have no idea what "how much you think income should because by" means, so sorry, I can't answer that.
You really are ignorant if you think there is only one rate of income tax. Why dont you tell us what the single percentage figure is if your income in £8,000 or £18,000 or £80,000 or £800,000 if you think it's a flat rate.
Sorry fat thumbs... How much do you think income tax should because by?
And what part of 'income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income' don't you understand? Has that sentence got too many words of more than one syllable in?
And saying I'm ignorant about tax is pretty rich coming from you, when a week or so ago you didn't have a clue how much someone who earns £18,700 per year takes home.... And it was me who put you right; even then you wanted to argue about it. Your first guess you were 30% out!
I'd get back to your village if I were you, they're missing you.
nope, you are getting me mixed up with someone else, im sure you'll apologise when you realise your mistake. So come on then, what single rate would all of those people pay?
No, I'm not mistaken, your village really is missing you
But apart from that,
CLCC 2 weeks ago
"Well £8 x 45 hrs a week is £360 as mentioned, which equates to £18,720 annually, or £1,560 per month before deductions. If we take a rough guess of those deductions equalling 22% then take would leave a take home pay of £1216 per month"
The deductions actually equate to 14.7% for that income. So, only a little bit out weren't you? And yet you still wanted to argue about it!
Your apologies are accepted.
So now you answer.... How much do you think income should be raised by?
So I made a rough guess that was out by 14.7%, and you said that I was out by 30% (when you actually accused a different poster on that thread of being out by the 30%). So that means you were out by 15.3% surely that makes you the bigger idiot, or is your maths as bad as your politics?
How much should income raise by? That would be up to peoples bosses, not for the government to decide, apart from in the public sector obviously. "Your first guess was 22% deductions....it's actually 14.7%. Which is actually 33% less than what you thought the tax was. QED | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities!
I asked you who should pay tax, and how much extra they should pay, I asked you what proportion of your income you'd be willing to pay, and how much extra you'd want to pay. You are unable to answer any of these with anything other than 'the government should raise taxes'.
I take it you'd be happy with VAT, fuel duty, energy tax, insurance tax, and all other taxes being raised then.
And look at you, everything is the fault of Brexit or the tories. ...
Try looking closer to home, maybe in the mirror....
Yes, or course, everything is my fault. I think you overestimate me just a tad.
So, who should pay tax? Everyone should pay some tax, currently everyone pays some tax, so no change there then.
How much extra? It depends on their income, I generally believe that progressive taxation is fairer. The taxes you mentioned are flat taxes, not related to people's ability to pay, so no I wouldn't increase them. Why did you assume that I would? Perhaps because you would and you are doing what you accuse others of doing?
I would be willing for my tax bill to go up say, 2-5%, if that money went to actually providing services.
Happy now? I doubt it, people as spiteful and hate filled as you are seldom happy people!
Sorry, you said the government should raise taxes.... You said nothing about which tax.
So, 5% income tax rise it is then. Maybe you can afford 5%. Maybe you think everyone who works can afford 5%.
Well done, you've just got the exchequer an extra 30 Billion. But on the other hand, you've just reduced take home pay by an average £750 per year. Nurses? Yep, fuck you lot. Teachers? Fuck you too. Police Officers? Yep, you can fuck off too.
And you accuse me of being spiteful and hate filled?
But well done, you've just raised £30 Billion, maybe it can be spent on public sector pay rises to off set the extra income tax they've got to pay. But that won't improve services, just increase costs.
Are you suggesting different rates of taxation for nurses, teachers and police officers? What about council workers? Soldiers? Traffic wardens?
Are you really that obtuse? Absolutely pathetic.
You're suggesting fucking EVERYBODY that works over with a 5% income tax increase. Just because you can afford it, it doesn't mean everybody else can.
But well done you, you're alright Jack....
Happy now?
No, I never said that did I? I said it would be progressive taxation, and you asked me how much extra I would pay personally. You then blindly applied that figure to everyone, irrespective of their ability to pay.
So come on, answer the question, do you think there should be different rates of taxation for different professions?
You really are obtuse, aren't you? You do understanding income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income, don't you? So no, I don't think it should be different rates for different professions. You said you'd be happy paying 5% extra income tax, so do you think income tax should be applied on an individual level then?
And I earlier asked you how much you think income should because by.... So answer the question, or have you once again proposed something that you've given fuck all thought to?
I have no idea what "how much you think income should because by" means, so sorry, I can't answer that.
You really are ignorant if you think there is only one rate of income tax. Why dont you tell us what the single percentage figure is if your income in £8,000 or £18,000 or £80,000 or £800,000 if you think it's a flat rate.
Sorry fat thumbs... How much do you think income tax should because by?
And what part of 'income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income' don't you understand? Has that sentence got too many words of more than one syllable in?
And saying I'm ignorant about tax is pretty rich coming from you, when a week or so ago you didn't have a clue how much someone who earns £18,700 per year takes home.... And it was me who put you right; even then you wanted to argue about it. Your first guess you were 30% out!
I'd get back to your village if I were you, they're missing you.
nope, you are getting me mixed up with someone else, im sure you'll apologise when you realise your mistake. So come on then, what single rate would all of those people pay?
No, I'm not mistaken, your village really is missing you
But apart from that,
CLCC 2 weeks ago
"Well £8 x 45 hrs a week is £360 as mentioned, which equates to £18,720 annually, or £1,560 per month before deductions. If we take a rough guess of those deductions equalling 22% then take would leave a take home pay of £1216 per month"
The deductions actually equate to 14.7% for that income. So, only a little bit out weren't you? And yet you still wanted to argue about it!
Your apologies are accepted.
So now you answer.... How much do you think income should be raised by?
So I made a rough guess that was out by 14.7%, and you said that I was out by 30% (when you actually accused a different poster on that thread of being out by the 30%). So that means you were out by 15.3% surely that makes you the bigger idiot, or is your maths as bad as your politics?
How much should income raise by? That would be up to peoples bosses, not for the government to decide, apart from in the public sector obviously.
Your first guess was 22% deductions....it's actually 14.7%. Which is actually 33% less than what you thought the tax was. QED
"Now, let me see.... 7.3 as a percentage of 22..... What was it you were saying about maths and politics? Like I've said before, don't judge others by your own values..... | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it. "Or maybe just because its bollocks | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities!
I asked you who should pay tax, and how much extra they should pay, I asked you what proportion of your income you'd be willing to pay, and how much extra you'd want to pay. You are unable to answer any of these with anything other than 'the government should raise taxes'.
I take it you'd be happy with VAT, fuel duty, energy tax, insurance tax, and all other taxes being raised then.
And look at you, everything is the fault of Brexit or the tories. ...
Try looking closer to home, maybe in the mirror....
Yes, or course, everything is my fault. I think you overestimate me just a tad.
So, who should pay tax? Everyone should pay some tax, currently everyone pays some tax, so no change there then.
How much extra? It depends on their income, I generally believe that progressive taxation is fairer. The taxes you mentioned are flat taxes, not related to people's ability to pay, so no I wouldn't increase them. Why did you assume that I would? Perhaps because you would and you are doing what you accuse others of doing?
I would be willing for my tax bill to go up say, 2-5%, if that money went to actually providing services.
Happy now? I doubt it, people as spiteful and hate filled as you are seldom happy people!
Sorry, you said the government should raise taxes.... You said nothing about which tax.
So, 5% income tax rise it is then. Maybe you can afford 5%. Maybe you think everyone who works can afford 5%.
Well done, you've just got the exchequer an extra 30 Billion. But on the other hand, you've just reduced take home pay by an average £750 per year. Nurses? Yep, fuck you lot. Teachers? Fuck you too. Police Officers? Yep, you can fuck off too.
And you accuse me of being spiteful and hate filled?
But well done, you've just raised £30 Billion, maybe it can be spent on public sector pay rises to off set the extra income tax they've got to pay. But that won't improve services, just increase costs.
Are you suggesting different rates of taxation for nurses, teachers and police officers? What about council workers? Soldiers? Traffic wardens?
Are you really that obtuse? Absolutely pathetic.
You're suggesting fucking EVERYBODY that works over with a 5% income tax increase. Just because you can afford it, it doesn't mean everybody else can.
But well done you, you're alright Jack....
Happy now?
No, I never said that did I? I said it would be progressive taxation, and you asked me how much extra I would pay personally. You then blindly applied that figure to everyone, irrespective of their ability to pay.
So come on, answer the question, do you think there should be different rates of taxation for different professions?
You really are obtuse, aren't you? You do understanding income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income, don't you? So no, I don't think it should be different rates for different professions. You said you'd be happy paying 5% extra income tax, so do you think income tax should be applied on an individual level then?
And I earlier asked you how much you think income should because by.... So answer the question, or have you once again proposed something that you've given fuck all thought to?
I have no idea what "how much you think income should because by" means, so sorry, I can't answer that.
You really are ignorant if you think there is only one rate of income tax. Why dont you tell us what the single percentage figure is if your income in £8,000 or £18,000 or £80,000 or £800,000 if you think it's a flat rate.
Sorry fat thumbs... How much do you think income tax should because by?
And what part of 'income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income' don't you understand? Has that sentence got too many words of more than one syllable in?
And saying I'm ignorant about tax is pretty rich coming from you, when a week or so ago you didn't have a clue how much someone who earns £18,700 per year takes home.... And it was me who put you right; even then you wanted to argue about it. Your first guess you were 30% out!
I'd get back to your village if I were you, they're missing you.
nope, you are getting me mixed up with someone else, im sure you'll apologise when you realise your mistake. So come on then, what single rate would all of those people pay?
No, I'm not mistaken, your village really is missing you
But apart from that,
CLCC 2 weeks ago
"Well £8 x 45 hrs a week is £360 as mentioned, which equates to £18,720 annually, or £1,560 per month before deductions. If we take a rough guess of those deductions equalling 22% then take would leave a take home pay of £1216 per month"
The deductions actually equate to 14.7% for that income. So, only a little bit out weren't you? And yet you still wanted to argue about it!
Your apologies are accepted.
So now you answer.... How much do you think income should be raised by?
So I made a rough guess that was out by 14.7%, and you said that I was out by 30% (when you actually accused a different poster on that thread of being out by the 30%). So that means you were out by 15.3% surely that makes you the bigger idiot, or is your maths as bad as your politics?
How much should income raise by? That would be up to peoples bosses, not for the government to decide, apart from in the public sector obviously.
There you go again, being selective in your quotations.
I got the figure bang on..... You tried arguing the toss over that. And you're saying my figures are 15% out? When in fact all I did was put another person's estimate at £1,000 and mistakenly replied to you?... That was the 30% out. You said it was £1216, when it's actually 1344...And you still wanted to argue over your figures!
How much do you think the government should raise income tax by?"Yes, your figures are more than 15% out if you say that my rough estimate was 30% out (which you now are admitting that someone else’s estimate was 30% out, after just denying that very fact in this thread ) when my figures were out 14.7%. Get it?
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities!
I asked you who should pay tax, and how much extra they should pay, I asked you what proportion of your income you'd be willing to pay, and how much extra you'd want to pay. You are unable to answer any of these with anything other than 'the government should raise taxes'.
I take it you'd be happy with VAT, fuel duty, energy tax, insurance tax, and all other taxes being raised then.
And look at you, everything is the fault of Brexit or the tories. ...
Try looking closer to home, maybe in the mirror....
Yes, or course, everything is my fault. I think you overestimate me just a tad.
So, who should pay tax? Everyone should pay some tax, currently everyone pays some tax, so no change there then.
How much extra? It depends on their income, I generally believe that progressive taxation is fairer. The taxes you mentioned are flat taxes, not related to people's ability to pay, so no I wouldn't increase them. Why did you assume that I would? Perhaps because you would and you are doing what you accuse others of doing?
I would be willing for my tax bill to go up say, 2-5%, if that money went to actually providing services.
Happy now? I doubt it, people as spiteful and hate filled as you are seldom happy people!
Sorry, you said the government should raise taxes.... You said nothing about which tax.
So, 5% income tax rise it is then. Maybe you can afford 5%. Maybe you think everyone who works can afford 5%.
Well done, you've just got the exchequer an extra 30 Billion. But on the other hand, you've just reduced take home pay by an average £750 per year. Nurses? Yep, fuck you lot. Teachers? Fuck you too. Police Officers? Yep, you can fuck off too.
And you accuse me of being spiteful and hate filled?
But well done, you've just raised £30 Billion, maybe it can be spent on public sector pay rises to off set the extra income tax they've got to pay. But that won't improve services, just increase costs.
Are you suggesting different rates of taxation for nurses, teachers and police officers? What about council workers? Soldiers? Traffic wardens?
Are you really that obtuse? Absolutely pathetic.
You're suggesting fucking EVERYBODY that works over with a 5% income tax increase. Just because you can afford it, it doesn't mean everybody else can.
But well done you, you're alright Jack....
Happy now?
No, I never said that did I? I said it would be progressive taxation, and you asked me how much extra I would pay personally. You then blindly applied that figure to everyone, irrespective of their ability to pay.
So come on, answer the question, do you think there should be different rates of taxation for different professions?
You really are obtuse, aren't you? You do understanding income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income, don't you? So no, I don't think it should be different rates for different professions. You said you'd be happy paying 5% extra income tax, so do you think income tax should be applied on an individual level then?
And I earlier asked you how much you think income should because by.... So answer the question, or have you once again proposed something that you've given fuck all thought to?
I have no idea what "how much you think income should because by" means, so sorry, I can't answer that.
You really are ignorant if you think there is only one rate of income tax. Why dont you tell us what the single percentage figure is if your income in £8,000 or £18,000 or £80,000 or £800,000 if you think it's a flat rate.
Sorry fat thumbs... How much do you think income tax should because by?
And what part of 'income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income' don't you understand? Has that sentence got too many words of more than one syllable in?
And saying I'm ignorant about tax is pretty rich coming from you, when a week or so ago you didn't have a clue how much someone who earns £18,700 per year takes home.... And it was me who put you right; even then you wanted to argue about it. Your first guess you were 30% out!
I'd get back to your village if I were you, they're missing you.
nope, you are getting me mixed up with someone else, im sure you'll apologise when you realise your mistake. So come on then, what single rate would all of those people pay?
No, I'm not mistaken, your village really is missing you
But apart from that,
CLCC 2 weeks ago
"Well £8 x 45 hrs a week is £360 as mentioned, which equates to £18,720 annually, or £1,560 per month before deductions. If we take a rough guess of those deductions equalling 22% then take would leave a take home pay of £1216 per month"
The deductions actually equate to 14.7% for that income. So, only a little bit out weren't you? And yet you still wanted to argue about it!
Your apologies are accepted.
So now you answer.... How much do you think income should be raised by?
So I made a rough guess that was out by 14.7%, and you said that I was out by 30% (when you actually accused a different poster on that thread of being out by the 30%). So that means you were out by 15.3% surely that makes you the bigger idiot, or is your maths as bad as your politics?
How much should income raise by? That would be up to peoples bosses, not for the government to decide, apart from in the public sector obviously.
There you go again, being selective in your quotations.
I got the figure bang on..... You tried arguing the toss over that. And you're saying my figures are 15% out? When in fact all I did was put another person's estimate at £1,000 and mistakenly replied to you?... That was the 30% out. You said it was £1216, when it's actually 1344...And you still wanted to argue over your figures!
How much do you think the government should raise income tax by?
Yes, your figures are more than 15% out if you say that my rough estimate was 30% out (which you now are admitting that someone else’s estimate was 30% out, after just denying that very fact in this thread ) when my figures were out 14.7%. Get it?
I answer one question then you come up with another, yet YOU still haven’t answered any of the questions that you set to me that I asked you to give your answers to. As I have answered plenty of your questions, and you have answered ZERO, I think its time that you answered sum "Someone earning £18,700 pays 14.7% of that it Income Tax and National Insurance. You previously said it was 22%. The difference beaten thereto figures, I.e. tge contract figure of 14.7% and your estimated figure of 22% is 7.3 percentage points. That is a 33% difference between what you estimated and what is fact. To put it a bit more simply, and forgive me that I'm using words of more than one syllable, the correct tax paid is c£200 and your estimate of tax paid was c £300. 100 /300 is 33%. What part of that are you having difficulty with? Although, the other way to put it, would be that you think someone on £18,700 per annum pays 50% more tax than they actually do. Maths and politics really aren't your strong point. The questions I asked you? Were related to you saying people should pay more tax....you haven't even answered them yet. So I asked you a simpler question; you want people to pay more income tax, how much more do you think they should pay? | |||
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"Been reading the latest comedy gold and have to add bit. It is impossible to pay more tax to hmrc than they believe you should pay. Gift aid is not paying tax. It is a tick in the box that provides tax relief to charities. Just about everybody ticks it. It is NOT paying tax. There is a massive difference and to not know that would make you the worlds biggest..........., best stop. Someone will report me otherwise
Its not claiming relief to which you are legally entitled.
So what do you think of the people who do claim the tax relief?
As long as its legal I don't see any issue.
Wait a minute! Weren't you complaining on a thread on here a while back about the likes of google, amazon, Costa etc not paying their 'fair share' of tax?
And about people that take dividends, which attract very little tax?
And yet they have done everything above board and legally.....
So now you are changing from individuals to corporations?
So legality in tax law to reduce your tax bill is ok for individuals but not corporations?
Why would it matter whether it's individuals or corporations?
Not every 'corporation' is a multinational, you know.
And you do know it's individuals that take dividends as well, don't you? So what's your verdict on them?
Or is it a case of it's ok for some but not for others, but you'll decide which ones?
Yes, people and corporations are only required what they are legally obliged to. However, governments are always changing the tax code in one way or another, I think the government should increase taxes. Simple enough for you?
How much tax does the average person pay? How much more do you think they should pay? How much would you be happy paying, as a proportion of your wages? Do you think Gift Aid tax relief should be stopped, as straight away that money could be used for 10,000 police officers, 10,000 teachers and 15,000 nurses, etc?
Do you want me to write a whole manifesto? How about you answer those questions first, then come back to me.
You're the one saying we should all pay more tax, and yet you can't answer simple questions about how you've arrived at that conclusion - if you don't know how much tax people pay, how can you say they should pay more?
I've already demonstrated how eliminating gift aid would benefit the economy and could be used for National Health Service, fighting crime, and education, but you refuse to support this, merely saying 'people should pay more tax'.
Like others have said about you, you avoid answering questions like the plague.
Although having seen how you make yourself look stupid when you try to answer questions, I can understand why.
You are a complete plum if you can't get your head around the fact that the state would have to do considerably more if charities weren't around using some of the money that they get through gift aid. This has at least been one thing that Labour, the Tories and the coalition government have agreed on.
It's great for the mask to finally slip, not only do you want to take benefits away from the poorest people in the UK, the sick, and the disabled. Not only do you think that the UK economy is too weak to support the poorest in the world through our international aid budget, tackling chronic poverty as well as national disaster. Not only do you want to take money from those people, but you also want to take money away from the charities that support them.
Please could you point to anywhere where I have said any of these things. No, you can't.
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own values.
And stop trying to deflect and answer the questions you've been asked.
Or are you completely thick?
On this very thread you are talking eliminating gift aid, funding for charities.
On the foreign aid budget two weeks ago you said "Maybe we should put some of our foreign aid budget toward helping our own population?"
3 weeks ago you said " I don't think we've seen enough of the campaigns yet to make a decision, but as it stands we'd probably both be voting Tory." A Tory vote is blaming the poor for every thing, cutting support to them, and giving tax breaks to the rich and free votes on fox hunting, but not Brexit.
First, gift aid is taking money out of the public purse. Money that could be used to pay the wages of a total of 45,000 police officers, nurses and teachers. You want to deny our public services this.
Shame on you.
On the foreign aid budget, I said some of our foreign aid. Did I say all of it? And I said toward helping our own population. That could be in the form of extra money for NHS, police, education, disabled, care homes, etc. But no, you'd rather send money abroad than help people in this country that need the help. You'd rather let our own population rot.
Shame on you.
And what I said about voting Tory? Read again what I said, and in the context that it was said of the whole thread ... We haven't seen enough of the campaigns yet.... And the reason we're inclined at the moment to vote Tory is because of Brexit. This is the biggest single issue, an issue that, unlike every other issue, can't be reversed by voting another party in in 5 years time. If Brexit wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be even considering voting Tory. But you'd rather vote on the issues that will directly affect you, rather than the issue that will affect generations to come.
Shame on you.
Because to be honest with you about Brexit, none of the others have got a fucking clue.
A bit like you, actually.
Now, stop deflecting and answer the questions....
You are going to vote for a government that has cut police and prison officers.
Shame on You.
Our own population doesn't rot (however you are going to vote for a government that is slashing support for our own citizens), however the foreign aid budget stops people starving to death, and stops preventable life changing illnesses and protects those fleeing from their own governments. Cutting that budget will leave the most vulnerable people in the world to die.
Shame on You.
You want to take money away from charities such as Blesma (British Limbess Ex-serviceman's Association), from Combat Stress, from Blind Veterans UK, from Teenage Cancer Trust, from Make-A-Wish, from RBLI, from Save the Children and Barnardos.
Shame on You.
You voted for Brexit in the full knowledge that Brexit would strip rights away from millions of your fellow citizens, and even strip rights away from your own family. You voted for Brexit knowing it would damage our defence and security. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our economy. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm our education system. You voted for Brexit knowing it would harm the environments.
Shame on You. You are spiteful and want to hurt as many people as you can, not just in this country, but abroad. You should be ashamed of yourself and of the hate filled policies you promote.
And still you want answer questions, try to deflect, and have the holierctgan thou attitude.
On the one hand you say people should pay more tax, that they can easily afford more tax, but they are the very same people you say need the money; those people will then have even less in their pockets.
Well done for fucking up our society so that you can feel good about yourself.
Pathetic.
Where have I said that I would make the people who need help pay more tax?
You want me to produce a fully costed tax plan for every man, woman, child and corporation in this country? Something that you are not prepared to do yourself, something that you are not asking anyone else for. You can dream on. Let's be truthful too, what ever I wrote you would say it was bollocks, just because I said it.
"I think the government should increase taxes." CLCC, about 6 posts ago.
I don't think everything you say is bollocks just because you said it. It's not personal, although there you go again, judging others by your own values.
Everything you say is bollocks because it is, well, bollocks. And ignorant.
Where does it say that I want to raise taxes for the most vulnerable in society? Keep on looking, because it doesn't say that in what you have just quoted.
It's not bollocks, but many on here twist themselves into knots disagreeing with me, such as people saying the toddlers are interested in the view points of George Osborne, or saying that the government should decide which people should be self employed, and which should be employees.
Now just look at you now, saying you want to take money away from charities!
I asked you who should pay tax, and how much extra they should pay, I asked you what proportion of your income you'd be willing to pay, and how much extra you'd want to pay. You are unable to answer any of these with anything other than 'the government should raise taxes'.
I take it you'd be happy with VAT, fuel duty, energy tax, insurance tax, and all other taxes being raised then.
And look at you, everything is the fault of Brexit or the tories. ...
Try looking closer to home, maybe in the mirror....
Yes, or course, everything is my fault. I think you overestimate me just a tad.
So, who should pay tax? Everyone should pay some tax, currently everyone pays some tax, so no change there then.
How much extra? It depends on their income, I generally believe that progressive taxation is fairer. The taxes you mentioned are flat taxes, not related to people's ability to pay, so no I wouldn't increase them. Why did you assume that I would? Perhaps because you would and you are doing what you accuse others of doing?
I would be willing for my tax bill to go up say, 2-5%, if that money went to actually providing services.
Happy now? I doubt it, people as spiteful and hate filled as you are seldom happy people!
Sorry, you said the government should raise taxes.... You said nothing about which tax.
So, 5% income tax rise it is then. Maybe you can afford 5%. Maybe you think everyone who works can afford 5%.
Well done, you've just got the exchequer an extra 30 Billion. But on the other hand, you've just reduced take home pay by an average £750 per year. Nurses? Yep, fuck you lot. Teachers? Fuck you too. Police Officers? Yep, you can fuck off too.
And you accuse me of being spiteful and hate filled?
But well done, you've just raised £30 Billion, maybe it can be spent on public sector pay rises to off set the extra income tax they've got to pay. But that won't improve services, just increase costs.
Are you suggesting different rates of taxation for nurses, teachers and police officers? What about council workers? Soldiers? Traffic wardens?
Are you really that obtuse? Absolutely pathetic.
You're suggesting fucking EVERYBODY that works over with a 5% income tax increase. Just because you can afford it, it doesn't mean everybody else can.
But well done you, you're alright Jack....
Happy now?
No, I never said that did I? I said it would be progressive taxation, and you asked me how much extra I would pay personally. You then blindly applied that figure to everyone, irrespective of their ability to pay.
So come on, answer the question, do you think there should be different rates of taxation for different professions?
You really are obtuse, aren't you? You do understanding income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income, don't you? So no, I don't think it should be different rates for different professions. You said you'd be happy paying 5% extra income tax, so do you think income tax should be applied on an individual level then?
And I earlier asked you how much you think income should because by.... So answer the question, or have you once again proposed something that you've given fuck all thought to?
I have no idea what "how much you think income should because by" means, so sorry, I can't answer that.
You really are ignorant if you think there is only one rate of income tax. Why dont you tell us what the single percentage figure is if your income in £8,000 or £18,000 or £80,000 or £800,000 if you think it's a flat rate.
Sorry fat thumbs... How much do you think income tax should because by?
And what part of 'income tax is a flat rate tax for all, the rate of which changes with the level of income' don't you understand? Has that sentence got too many words of more than one syllable in?
And saying I'm ignorant about tax is pretty rich coming from you, when a week or so ago you didn't have a clue how much someone who earns £18,700 per year takes home.... And it was me who put you right; even then you wanted to argue about it. Your first guess you were 30% out!
I'd get back to your village if I were you, they're missing you.
nope, you are getting me mixed up with someone else, im sure you'll apologise when you realise your mistake. So come on then, what single rate would all of those people pay?
No, I'm not mistaken, your village really is missing you
But apart from that,
CLCC 2 weeks ago
"Well £8 x 45 hrs a week is £360 as mentioned, which equates to £18,720 annually, or £1,560 per month before deductions. If we take a rough guess of those deductions equalling 22% then take would leave a take home pay of £1216 per month"
The deductions actually equate to 14.7% for that income. So, only a little bit out weren't you? And yet you still wanted to argue about it!
Your apologies are accepted.
So now you answer.... How much do you think income should be raised by?
So I made a rough guess that was out by 14.7%, and you said that I was out by 30% (when you actually accused a different poster on that thread of being out by the 30%). So that means you were out by 15.3% surely that makes you the bigger idiot, or is your maths as bad as your politics?
How much should income raise by? That would be up to peoples bosses, not for the government to decide, apart from in the public sector obviously.
There you go again, being selective in your quotations.
I got the figure bang on..... You tried arguing the toss over that. And you're saying my figures are 15% out? When in fact all I did was put another person's estimate at £1,000 and mistakenly replied to you?... That was the 30% out. You said it was £1216, when it's actually 1344...And you still wanted to argue over your figures!
How much do you think the government should raise income tax by?
Yes, your figures are more than 15% out if you say that my rough estimate was 30% out (which you now are admitting that someone else’s estimate was 30% out, after just denying that very fact in this thread ) when my figures were out 14.7%. Get it?
I answer one question then you come up with another, yet YOU still haven’t answered any of the questions that you set to me that I asked you to give your answers to. As I have answered plenty of your questions, and you have answered ZERO, I think its time that you answered sum "I've just realised what you do for a living ...... Diane Abbot's statistics advisor. | |||
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