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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The European Medicines Agency has 897 staff while the European Banking Authority employs 159 people, and the UK's decision to leave the EU has prompted interest from several EU countries in hosting the two highly specialised organisations.
So, weakened government and now loosing 2 highly specialised organisations, and a 1000 jobs from our economy and we haven't really started yet  |
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It was done to death months back.
I think the news about Jaguar Landrover creating another 5000 jobs missed the forum. 1000 in design and 4000 in manufacturing, UK based.
I'm sure all posters will welcome the news. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"It was done to death months back.
I think the news about Jaguar Landrover creating another 5000 jobs missed the forum. 1000 in design and 4000 in manufacturing, UK based.
I'm sure all posters will welcome the news."
Don't forget another large order for Bombardier at Derby, creating another 500 direct jobs, and more in the supply chain.
Upto 1000 jobs to be created at a new science and research park at Lincoln. |
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"All great news all these new jobs. Which bit of Brexit do you think is attracting them?
-Matt"
Some is Brexit related in terms of exchange rate being favourable, some Brexit is irrelevant to it, some is just an indication that we are capable of doing very well in or out the EU.
My point about JLR, is more that there is a tendency in this particular forum for some posters to jump around in glee when they see a bad news story that can be linked to Brexit. The jobs in the OP going is bad news, I agree. The whole of Brexit is a balancing act. Luckily people of skill, positivity and talent exist in this country, who will enable it to do very well. People fixated on negativity tend not to help any situation. IMO. |
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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago
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"All great news all these new jobs. Which bit of Brexit do you think is attracting them?
-Matt
Some is Brexit related in terms of exchange rate being favourable, some Brexit is irrelevant to it, some is just an indication that we are capable of doing very well in or out the EU.
My point about JLR, is more that there is a tendency in this particular forum for some posters to jump around in glee when they see a bad news story that can be linked to Brexit. The jobs in the OP going is bad news, I agree. The whole of Brexit is a balancing act. Luckily people of skill, positivity and talent exist in this country, who will enable it to do very well. People fixated on negativity tend not to help any situation. IMO."
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"It was done to death months back.
I think the news about Jaguar Landrover creating another 5000 jobs missed the forum. 1000 in design and 4000 in manufacturing, UK based.
I'm sure all posters will welcome the news."
Of course it's good news that 5000 jobs are being created in Britain to help support the development of a new electric car from Jaguar. It would be even better news if Jaguar were going to actually build the new car here as was originally planned but they're not, they're going to build in in Austria instead. I wonder if the possible implementation of 10% tariffs and unnecessary border delays on the supply chain might have had anything to do with that decision? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It was done to death months back.
I think the news about Jaguar Landrover creating another 5000 jobs missed the forum. 1000 in design and 4000 in manufacturing, UK based.
I'm sure all posters will welcome the news.
Of course it's good news that 5000 jobs are being created in Britain to help support the development of a new electric car from Jaguar. It would be even better news if Jaguar were going to actually build the new car here as was originally planned but they're not, they're going to build in in Austria instead. I wonder if the possible implementation of 10% tariffs and unnecessary border delays on the supply chain might have had anything to do with that decision?"
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Because for a start there will not be any tariffs or border delays"
Not one word on trade has yet been discussed by Bernier and Davis, yet you are already aware of the outcome? |
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Here come the doom mongers.....
I can also imagine two positive possibilities.
1. We agree a zero tariff arrangement as it suits eu and uk car manufacturers.
2. We don't and 10% tariffs are introduced. As a net vehicle importer some of the 10% tariff we receive on all imported vehicles, is used to support uk based vehicle manufacturers. (This is what JLR allude to when they say it depends what future support they receive)
Please use your imagination and skills to think of worse outcomes. But it would be nice to see intelligent people use their abilities to come up with positive ways to make things work for the best. |
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"Here come the doom mongers.....
I can also imagine two positive possibilities.
1. We agree a zero tariff arrangement as it suits eu and uk car manufacturers.
2. We don't and 10% tariffs are introduced. As a net vehicle importer some of the 10% tariff we receive on all imported vehicles, is used to support uk based vehicle manufacturers. (This is what JLR allude to when they say it depends what future support they receive)
Please use your imagination and skills to think of worse outcomes. But it would be nice to see intelligent people use their abilities to come up with positive ways to make things work for the best."
If the UK was to use any public money to directly subsides the manufacture of anything that could, and probably would, fall fowl of WTO anti dumping rules and the EU would be within its rights to apply putative tariffs that could actually more than cancel out the benefit of the subsidy.
People have used their intelligence and abilities to come up with a positive way to make this all work well. They called the positive way to make all this work well the EU.
Maybe if the BREXITers had used their intelligence and abilities to come up with a positive way to make this all work well rather than just saying things like 'no deal is better than a bad deal', 'it will hurt them more than use', 'we will suffer but it will be worth it in the end' or 'we're British, we've been through worse and pulled through, we'll survive'; we'd have a little more confidence that some, or even any, of them actually new what they were talking about. |
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"Here come the doom mongers.....
I can also imagine two positive possibilities.
1. We agree a zero tariff arrangement as it suits eu and uk car manufacturers.
2. We don't and 10% tariffs are introduced. As a net vehicle importer some of the 10% tariff we receive on all imported vehicles, is used to support uk based vehicle manufacturers. (This is what JLR allude to when they say it depends what future support they receive)
Please use your imagination and skills to think of worse outcomes. But it would be nice to see intelligent people use their abilities to come up with positive ways to make things work for the best.
If the UK was to use any public money to directly subsides the manufacture of anything that could, and probably would, fall fowl of WTO anti dumping rules and the EU would be within its rights to apply putative tariffs that could actually more than cancel out the benefit of the subsidy.
People have used their intelligence and abilities to come up with a positive way to make this all work well. They called the positive way to make all this work well the EU.
Maybe if the BREXITers had used their intelligence and abilities to come up with a positive way to make this all work well rather than just saying things like 'no deal is better than a bad deal', 'it will hurt them more than use', 'we will suffer but it will be worth it in the end' or 'we're British, we've been through worse and pulled through, we'll survive'; we'd have a little more confidence that some, or even any, of them actually new what they were talking about."
It isn't dumping, r+d support, tax breaks, training are all legitimate. It only becomes dumping if sold overseas cheaper than in the home market. But a good example of using your intelligence for the future to not work.
We are leaving the eu. You can either complain about it ad nauseum and say the only way is to stay in, or you can suggest ways you would like things to be in a new system.
I don't buy in to brexiters saying this and remainers saying that. It's lazy and innacurate. There are intelligent and well meaning people who voted both ways. That vote was 1 year ago, it's time to move things forward. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Here come the doom mongers.....
I can also imagine two positive possibilities.
1. We agree a zero tariff arrangement as it suits eu and uk car manufacturers.
2. We don't and 10% tariffs are introduced. As a net vehicle importer some of the 10% tariff we receive on all imported vehicles, is used to support uk based vehicle manufacturers. (This is what JLR allude to when they say it depends what future support they receive)
Please use your imagination and skills to think of worse outcomes. But it would be nice to see intelligent people use their abilities to come up with positive ways to make things work for the best."
We have tariffs with most non-EU countries at the moment. What percentage of the income from that do we direct towards UK manufacturing? |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Here come the doom mongers.....
I can also imagine two positive possibilities.
1. We agree a zero tariff arrangement as it suits eu and uk car manufacturers.
2. We don't and 10% tariffs are introduced. As a net vehicle importer some of the 10% tariff we receive on all imported vehicles, is used to support uk based vehicle manufacturers. (This is what JLR allude to when they say it depends what future support they receive)
Please use your imagination and skills to think of worse outcomes. But it would be nice to see intelligent people use their abilities to come up with positive ways to make things work for the best.
We have tariffs with most non-EU countries at the moment. What percentage of the income from that do we direct towards UK manufacturing? "
Would be illegal under EU rules, unless of course you dont abide by them  |
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"Here come the doom mongers.....
I can also imagine two positive possibilities.
1. We agree a zero tariff arrangement as it suits eu and uk car manufacturers.
2. We don't and 10% tariffs are introduced. As a net vehicle importer some of the 10% tariff we receive on all imported vehicles, is used to support uk based vehicle manufacturers. (This is what JLR allude to when they say it depends what future support they receive)
Please use your imagination and skills to think of worse outcomes. But it would be nice to see intelligent people use their abilities to come up with positive ways to make things work for the best.
We have tariffs with most non-EU countries at the moment. What percentage of the income from that do we direct towards UK manufacturing? "
You know we can't currently. I guess you are really pleased with the news too. Any suggestions how it could best work in the future? |
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"Here come the doom mongers.....
I can also imagine two positive possibilities.
1. We agree a zero tariff arrangement as it suits eu and uk car manufacturers.
2. We don't and 10% tariffs are introduced. As a net vehicle importer some of the 10% tariff we receive on all imported vehicles, is used to support uk based vehicle manufacturers. (This is what JLR allude to when they say it depends what future support they receive)
Please use your imagination and skills to think of worse outcomes. But it would be nice to see intelligent people use their abilities to come up with positive ways to make things work for the best.
If the UK was to use any public money to directly subsides the manufacture of anything that could, and probably would, fall fowl of WTO anti dumping rules and the EU would be within its rights to apply putative tariffs that could actually more than cancel out the benefit of the subsidy.
People have used their intelligence and abilities to come up with a positive way to make this all work well. They called the positive way to make all this work well the EU.
Maybe if the BREXITers had used their intelligence and abilities to come up with a positive way to make this all work well rather than just saying things like 'no deal is better than a bad deal', 'it will hurt them more than use', 'we will suffer but it will be worth it in the end' or 'we're British, we've been through worse and pulled through, we'll survive'; we'd have a little more confidence that some, or even any, of them actually new what they were talking about.
It isn't dumping, r+d support, tax breaks, training are all legitimate. It only becomes dumping if sold overseas cheaper than in the home market. But a good example of using your intelligence for the future to not work.
We are leaving the eu. You can either complain about it ad nauseum and say the only way is to stay in, or you can suggest ways you would like things to be in a new system.
I don't buy in to brexiters saying this and remainers saying that. It's lazy and innacurate. There are intelligent and well meaning people who voted both ways. That vote was 1 year ago, it's time to move things forward."
I'm totally capable of making it work as best as possible whilst still believing and saying that it would be better not to leave and when, or if, we leave, saying that we'd be better back in. After IDS, Gove, Haigh, Fox and Bojo did many things over the last 40 years that they believed made Britain better while in the EU while all the time believing that we'd be better off out. |
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I'm totally capable of making it work as best as possible whilst still believing and saying that it would be better not to leave and when, or if, we leave, saying that we'd be better back in. After IDS, Gove, Haigh, Fox and Bojo did many things over the last 40 years that they believed made Britain better while in the EU while all the time believing that we'd be better off out. "
Ok, but I genuinely would like to see ardent remain supporters engage with suggestions. The only comments in this forum are gripes about bad news stories. After the narrow referendum result lots on here said that both sides needed to be listened to, which is a very valid point. But if the only comment is, 'everything's going to be shit, we want to stay' , then how can that help form any future system? |
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"Ok, but I genuinely would like to see ardent remain supporters engage with suggestions. The only comments in this forum are gripes about bad news stories. After the narrow referendum result lots on here said that both sides needed to be listened to, which is a very valid point. But if the only comment is, 'everything's going to be shit, we want to stay' , then how can that help form any future system?"
I didn't vote to leave so don't expect me to clean up someone else's shit. |
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I'm totally capable of making it work as best as possible whilst still believing and saying that it would be better not to leave and when, or if, we leave, saying that we'd be better back in. After IDS, Gove, Haigh, Fox and Bojo did many things over the last 40 years that they believed made Britain better while in the EU while all the time believing that we'd be better off out.
Ok, but I genuinely would like to see ardent remain supporters engage with suggestions. The only comments in this forum are gripes about bad news stories. After the narrow referendum result lots on here said that both sides needed to be listened to, which is a very valid point. But if the only comment is, 'everything's going to be shit, we want to stay' , then how can that help form any future system? "
There is bro BREXIT plan called Flexcit which, while I still believe we'd be better of not leaving at all, does actually address the real problems that leaving the EU presents. If BREXITers on here were backing that plan then I'd say 'ok, I still don't like leaving but at least this looks like a plan to leave that could work' but most BREXITers simply seem to reject it out of hand because it's 406 pages long and it says it will take more than 2 years. Try reading it. If nothing else it may enlighten you as to what the real problems with an unrealistically quick BREXIT actually are and why so many remainders won't even consider supporting the economically suicidal BREXIT that May, Farage et al are suggesting we should follow. And as you read it remember that the document is a PRO BREXIT document. |
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I'm totally capable of making it work as best as possible whilst still believing and saying that it would be better not to leave and when, or if, we leave, saying that we'd be better back in. After IDS, Gove, Haigh, Fox and Bojo did many things over the last 40 years that they believed made Britain better while in the EU while all the time believing that we'd be better off out.
Ok, but I genuinely would like to see ardent remain supporters engage with suggestions. The only comments in this forum are gripes about bad news stories. After the narrow referendum result lots on here said that both sides needed to be listened to, which is a very valid point. But if the only comment is, 'everything's going to be shit, we want to stay' , then how can that help form any future system?
There is bro BREXIT plan called Flexcit which, while I still believe we'd be better of not leaving at all, does actually address the real problems that leaving the EU presents. If BREXITers on here were backing that plan then I'd say 'ok, I still don't like leaving but at least this looks like a plan to leave that could work' but most BREXITers simply seem to reject it out of hand because it's 406 pages long and it says it will take more than 2 years. Try reading it. If nothing else it may enlighten you as to what the real problems with an unrealistically quick BREXIT actually are and why so many remainders won't even consider supporting the economically suicidal BREXIT that May, Farage et al are suggesting we should follow. And as you read it remember that the document is a PRO BREXIT document. "
I have. It seemed like lots of options within each sub group, lots of which where quite different to each other. It didn't seem like an actual suggested route.
Can I ask why you want to lump all 'brexiters' and all 'remainers' together as they they have a homogenous opinion and mentality? I think it seems to be unnecessarily divisive. |
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"Ok, but I genuinely would like to see ardent remain supporters engage with suggestions. The only comments in this forum are gripes about bad news stories. After the narrow referendum result lots on here said that both sides needed to be listened to, which is a very valid point. But if the only comment is, 'everything's going to be shit, we want to stay' , then how can that help form any future system?
I didn't vote to leave so don't expect me to clean up someone else's shit."
Good plan.  |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Ok, but I genuinely would like to see ardent remain supporters engage with suggestions. The only comments in this forum are gripes about bad news stories. After the narrow referendum result lots on here said that both sides needed to be listened to, which is a very valid point. But if the only comment is, 'everything's going to be shit, we want to stay' , then how can that help form any future system?
I didn't vote to leave so don't expect me to clean up someone else's shit."
I thought socialists helped each other out ? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Here come the doom mongers.....
I can also imagine two positive possibilities.
1. We agree a zero tariff arrangement as it suits eu and uk car manufacturers.
2. We don't and 10% tariffs are introduced. As a net vehicle importer some of the 10% tariff we receive on all imported vehicles, is used to support uk based vehicle manufacturers. (This is what JLR allude to when they say it depends what future support they receive)
Please use your imagination and skills to think of worse outcomes. But it would be nice to see intelligent people use their abilities to come up with positive ways to make things work for the best.
We have tariffs with most non-EU countries at the moment. What percentage of the income from that do we direct towards UK manufacturing?
You know we can't currently. I guess you are really pleased with the news too. Any suggestions how it could best work in the future?"
Why would I be pleased that people are losing their jobs? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It was done to death months back.
I think the news about Jaguar Landrover creating another 5000 jobs missed the forum. 1000 in design and 4000 in manufacturing, UK based.
I'm sure all posters will welcome the news.
Of course it's good news that 5000 jobs are being created in Britain to help support the development of a new electric car from Jaguar. It would be even better news if Jaguar were going to actually build the new car here as was originally planned but they're not, they're going to build in in Austria instead. I wonder if the possible implementation of 10% tariffs and unnecessary border delays on the supply chain might have had anything to do with that decision?"
only a matter of time before jaguars will be made in India and I mean all of them |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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But we'd still be getting the same investment from Jag / JCB etc if we we're staying in the EU plus we'd be keeping the EU agencies
Would of been WIN WIN, now we get WIN - shot in the foot  |
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I'm totally capable of making it work as best as possible whilst still believing and saying that it would be better not to leave and when, or if, we leave, saying that we'd be better back in. After IDS, Gove, Haigh, Fox and Bojo did many things over the last 40 years that they believed made Britain better while in the EU while all the time believing that we'd be better off out.
Ok, but I genuinely would like to see ardent remain supporters engage with suggestions. The only comments in this forum are gripes about bad news stories. After the narrow referendum result lots on here said that both sides needed to be listened to, which is a very valid point. But if the only comment is, 'everything's going to be shit, we want to stay' , then how can that help form any future system?
There is bro BREXIT plan called Flexcit which, while I still believe we'd be better of not leaving at all, does actually address the real problems that leaving the EU presents. If BREXITers on here were backing that plan then I'd say 'ok, I still don't like leaving but at least this looks like a plan to leave that could work' but most BREXITers simply seem to reject it out of hand because it's 406 pages long and it says it will take more than 2 years. Try reading it. If nothing else it may enlighten you as to what the real problems with an unrealistically quick BREXIT actually are and why so many remainders won't even consider supporting the economically suicidal BREXIT that May, Farage et al are suggesting we should follow. And as you read it remember that the document is a PRO BREXIT document.
I have. It seemed like lots of options within each sub group, lots of which where quite different to each other. It didn't seem like an actual suggested route.
Can I ask why you want to lump all 'brexiters' and all 'remainers' together as they they have a homogenous opinion and mentality? I think it seems to be unnecessarily divisive."
I don't lump all BREXITers together but i do lump all the unrealistic BREXITers on here and in control of BREXIT in the government together as totally unrealistic.
I definitely don't lump all remsiners together and I'm pretty sure I'm going to have some pretty long arguments with some of them in the future on economic and social policy when the times comes; but right now this issue, BREXIT, is the most important issue facing us and if it's the economic disaster that I believe it could be it won't matter what social or economic policy people support because there simply won't be the money to do anything anyway. |
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"But we'd still be getting the same investment from Jag / JCB etc if we we're staying in the EU plus we'd be keeping the EU agencies
Would of been WIN WIN, now we get WIN - shot in the foot "
We'd actually have got more because we'd also be getting the production here to. So it would have been WIN, WIN, WIN instead of WIN, shot in the foot, cut your own arm off. |
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"Here come the doom mongers.....
I can also imagine two positive possibilities.
1. We agree a zero tariff arrangement as it suits eu and uk car manufacturers.
2. We don't and 10% tariffs are introduced. As a net vehicle importer some of the 10% tariff we receive on all imported vehicles, is used to support uk based vehicle manufacturers. (This is what JLR allude to when they say it depends what future support they receive)
Please use your imagination and skills to think of worse outcomes. But it would be nice to see intelligent people use their abilities to come up with positive ways to make things work for the best.
We have tariffs with most non-EU countries at the moment. What percentage of the income from that do we direct towards UK manufacturing?
You know we can't currently. I guess you are really pleased with the news too. Any suggestions how it could best work in the future?
Why would I be pleased that people are losing their jobs? "
I mean pleased with the 5000 JLR jobs
So what are your suggestions for a route forward? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"But we'd still be getting the same investment from Jag / JCB etc if we we're staying in the EU plus we'd be keeping the EU agencies
Would of been WIN WIN, now we get WIN - shot in the foot
We'd actually have got more because we'd also be getting the production here to. So it would have been WIN, WIN, WIN instead of WIN, shot in the foot, cut your own arm off."
Very true but at least it can still be WIN, shot in the foot, cut your own arm off & giv'em the bird with the remaining hand |
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"Ok, but I genuinely would like to see ardent remain supporters engage with suggestions. The only comments in this forum are gripes about bad news stories. After the narrow referendum result lots on here said that both sides needed to be listened to, which is a very valid point. But if the only comment is, 'everything's going to be shit, we want to stay' , then how can that help form any future system?
I didn't vote to leave so don't expect me to clean up someone else's shit.
Good plan. "
If you explain to someone 'don't poke your finger in the fan it will hurt', and they still do it, then they can't expect any sympathy. Davis Fox LolBoris IDS et all have sold the promise of the sunny uplands so it's down to them to deliver it. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Here come the doom mongers.....
I can also imagine two positive possibilities.
1. We agree a zero tariff arrangement as it suits eu and uk car manufacturers.
2. We don't and 10% tariffs are introduced. As a net vehicle importer some of the 10% tariff we receive on all imported vehicles, is used to support uk based vehicle manufacturers. (This is what JLR allude to when they say it depends what future support they receive)
Please use your imagination and skills to think of worse outcomes. But it would be nice to see intelligent people use their abilities to come up with positive ways to make things work for the best.
We have tariffs with most non-EU countries at the moment. What percentage of the income from that do we direct towards UK manufacturing?
You know we can't currently. I guess you are really pleased with the news too. Any suggestions how it could best work in the future?
Why would I be pleased that people are losing their jobs?
I mean pleased with the 5000 JLR jobs
So what are your suggestions for a route forward?"
I had assumed that you were talking about the jobs in the OP.
Yes new jobs are of course welcome, but you said youself they they may have nothing to do with Brexit.
We have seen jobs lost through Brexit already, but I don't think that we have seen any created (apart from Dept for Exiting the EU) as a direct result of Brexit. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Hey man this is one negative thread but remainers are so negative why do they get up in the morning?"
You think the OP is being negative when he expresses sadness when people lose their jobs. Does that mean that you see people losing their jobs as a result of brexit a positive thing? |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Hey man this is one negative thread but remainers are so negative why do they get up in the morning?
Personally I get up spend my day trying to make the world a better place. "
I like that |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Hey man this is one negative thread but remainers are so negative why do they get up in the morning?
You think the OP is being negative when he expresses sadness when people lose their jobs. Does that mean that you see people losing their jobs as a result of brexit a positive thing? "
People lose jobs for many different reasons,we are a long way from leaving the EU.
Do you think it is worse to lose your job because of brexit than any other reason?Any reason is bad you do not look at others because of this narrow minded fixation you have. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Hey man this is one negative thread but remainers are so negative why do they get up in the morning?
You think the OP is being negative when he expresses sadness when people lose their jobs. Does that mean that you see people losing their jobs as a result of brexit a positive thing? People lose jobs for many different reasons,we are a long way from leaving the EU.
Do you think it is worse to lose your job because of brexit than any other reason?Any reason is bad you do not look at others because of this narrow minded fixation you have."
But this didn't have to happen did it? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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It's not just the jobs at the agencies though, the medicine agency reportedly had 30,000 plus scientist visitors every year which will now strip the wealth from the local economy as thats 30,000 plus less people staying in local hotel accommodation etc etc
When calculated the loss will be quite big all round.
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