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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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Has anyone seen the Leave Alliance on twitter? Its quite interesting to see someone who is obviously very keep on leaving to EU, but can also see what a complete pigs ear the government is making of it. That doesn't seem to be a view that is given on this forum.
I'm sure there are lots of other Brexit twitter accounts out there, from both sides, but I use twitter in a different capacity than I use Fab's politics forum so I tend to stay away from them, but The Leave Alliance came up in my feed and it caught my attention. |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Is that because the government are "negotiating " like they don't want to actually leave??"
Well I think David Davis really does want to leave, but I think he is out of his depth as to what that actually entails, as are a lot of other politicians.
It's hard to negotiate unless you know what you are trying to achieve, and it doesn't feel like the government, let alone parliament, are trying to achieve.
I think many leading Brexit politicians are being disingenuous about the process and requirements, the pitfalls and the compromises that will need to be made.
I think a good 9 months were wasted between the referendum and the triggering of article 50. The government should have been laying out proposals, genuinely telling the public what was required, and what was and wasn't possible. But they didn't. They squandered that time, and while many on here at the time said that they were playing their cards close to their chests, and it was a tactical decision not to reveal their negotiating strategy, that all turned out to be bollocks.
There are plenty of other things that the government should be doing, but aren't, that are completely unrelated to the EU. If we take the assumption that we will actually leave the EU, the UK will need to make UK wide, or devolved policies on things such as fishing, and agriculture to name but two. I would suggest that these will quite probably be an executive agency, or some other from of QUANGO. It will need a chief executive, some buildings, some staff, and be ready to hit the ground running with policies in place for March 2019. None of that work is seemingly even been started yet, yet will require probably more than 2 years or even 3 years to implement. We know we will need it, regardless of the outcome of the negotiations with the EU, so why hasn't the government started? |
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"Pro remain party in brexit negotiating balls up shock. Labour should have won the GC, at least JC is pro leave. "
No we would have ended up remaining in the EU had Labour won the general election. The Labour party have had about a dozen different positions on Brexit, they change Brexit policy like the wind. Corbyn has instructed all Labour MP's to vote against the government on the EU Repeal bill on Monday, if he had his way and won this vote it could stop Brexit in its tracks. There are about 20 Labour Leave rebels who have signalled they intend to defy Corbyn though and vote with the government on the Repeal bill like Kate Hoey and Frank Field. Official Labour policy now seems to be to remain in the single market and the customs union which is really staying in the EU in all but name. Many Leave voters who voted Labour at the general election must now be wondering what the hell they were thinking. I always knew Labour could never be trusted to deliver Brexit and their actions are speaking much louder than their words recently. |
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"Pro remain party in brexit negotiating balls up shock. Labour should have won the GC, at least JC is pro leave.
No we would have ended up remaining in the EU had Labour won the general election. The Labour party have had about a dozen different positions on Brexit, they change Brexit policy like the wind. Corbyn has instructed all Labour MP's to vote against the government on the EU Repeal bill on Monday, if he had his way and won this vote it could stop Brexit in its tracks. There are about 20 Labour Leave rebels who have signalled they intend to defy Corbyn though and vote with the government on the Repeal bill like Kate Hoey and Frank Field. Official Labour policy now seems to be to remain in the single market and the customs union which is really staying in the EU in all but name. Many Leave voters who voted Labour at the general election must now be wondering what the hell they were thinking. I always knew Labour could never be trusted to deliver Brexit and their actions are speaking much louder than their words recently. "
They wont vote with the government on the repeal bill....reason why they believe in democracy...and the the repeal bill isnt....in fact some Tories are planning to vote against it |
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"Pro remain party in brexit negotiating balls up shock. Labour should have won the GC, at least JC is pro leave.
No we would have ended up remaining in the EU had Labour won the general election. The Labour party have had about a dozen different positions on Brexit, they change Brexit policy like the wind. Corbyn has instructed all Labour MP's to vote against the government on the EU Repeal bill on Monday, if he had his way and won this vote it could stop Brexit in its tracks. There are about 20 Labour Leave rebels who have signalled they intend to defy Corbyn though and vote with the government on the Repeal bill like Kate Hoey and Frank Field. Official Labour policy now seems to be to remain in the single market and the customs union which is really staying in the EU in all but name. Many Leave voters who voted Labour at the general election must now be wondering what the hell they were thinking. I always knew Labour could never be trusted to deliver Brexit and their actions are speaking much louder than their words recently.
They wont vote with the government on the repeal bill....reason why they believe in democracy...and the the repeal bill isnt....in fact some Tories are planning to vote against it "
Labour MP Frank Field has already openly said he intends to vote with the government for the EU repeal bill and he knows of 20 Labour rebels who will vote the same way as him to defy Corbyn. He said that Labour MP's who campaigned for Leave in the EU referendum have no choice but to vote for the Repeal bill as it's an essential part of Brexit. There may be 2 or 3 Tory diehard remainers like Anna Soubry and Ken Clarke who will vote against the government but that's it. The numbers are not stacking up for Corbyn with 20 Brexit rebels in his own party and the DUP backing the government he'll lose this vote. |
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"Pro remain party in brexit negotiating balls up shock. Labour should have won the GC, at least JC is pro leave.
No we would have ended up remaining in the EU had Labour won the general election. The Labour party have had about a dozen different positions on Brexit, they change Brexit policy like the wind. Corbyn has instructed all Labour MP's to vote against the government on the EU Repeal bill on Monday, if he had his way and won this vote it could stop Brexit in its tracks. There are about 20 Labour Leave rebels who have signalled they intend to defy Corbyn though and vote with the government on the Repeal bill like Kate Hoey and Frank Field. Official Labour policy now seems to be to remain in the single market and the customs union which is really staying in the EU in all but name. Many Leave voters who voted Labour at the general election must now be wondering what the hell they were thinking. I always knew Labour could never be trusted to deliver Brexit and their actions are speaking much louder than their words recently.
They wont vote with the government on the repeal bill....reason why they believe in democracy...and the the repeal bill isnt....in fact some Tories are planning to vote against it
Labour MP Frank Field has already openly said he intends to vote with the government for the EU repeal bill and he knows of 20 Labour rebels who will vote the same way as him to defy Corbyn. He said that Labour MP's who campaigned for Leave in the EU referendum have no choice but to vote for the Repeal bill as it's an essential part of Brexit. There may be 2 or 3 Tory diehard remainers like Anna Soubry and Ken Clarke who will vote against the government but that's it. The numbers are not stacking up for Corbyn with 20 Brexit rebels in his own party and the DUP backing the government he'll lose this vote. "
Not a chance in hell of this bill going through....and anyone that thinks that is deluded...this bill means we as a country are one step away from being a dictatorship...why would anyone trust them after all the lies they have told...if anyone supports this bill they must be out of there tiny minds....unless they havnt researched it thoroughly...Centaur we dont agree on brexit...but surely this wasnt what you voted for when you put your X in the box  |
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The EU doesn't want us to leave, and rather than accrpt our decision to leave are being deliberately difficult with us in tbe hope we change our minds.
That said, they will nrver be reasonable and therefore we should just threaten to revoke the eu articles. The eu officials won't like it but there is too much of a loss in mutual trade between us and the eu for junker to ignore.
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"The EU doesn't want us to leave, and rather than accrpt our decision to leave are being deliberately difficult with us in tbe hope we change our minds.
That said, they will nrver be reasonable and therefore we should just threaten to revoke the eu articles. The eu officials won't like it but there is too much of a loss in mutual trade between us and the eu for junker to ignore.
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The EU is negotiating the best deal for the EU. I really dont understand this attitude from Brexiters that the EU should just give the Tories whatever they want when the EU has all the leverage in negotiations.
The EU are the ones that were ready for negotiations on day 1, had their positions and strategy ready on day 1, had their positions publicly published on day 1.
The Tories are the ones deagging their heels about this. If you dont like the speed at which negotiations are going then look at May and Davis as the reason why. We'd be much further along if those 2 had organised the same level of preparation as the EU had. |
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"The EU doesn't want us to leave, and rather than accrpt our decision to leave are being deliberately difficult with us in tbe hope we change our minds.
That said, they will nrver be reasonable and therefore we should just threaten to revoke the eu articles. The eu officials won't like it but there is too much of a loss in mutual trade between us and the eu for junker to ignore.
The EU is negotiating the best deal for the EU. I really dont understand this attitude from Brexiters that the EU should just give the Tories whatever they want when the EU has all the leverage in negotiations.
The EU are the ones that were ready for negotiations on day 1, had their positions and strategy ready on day 1, had their positions publicly published on day 1.
The Tories are the ones deagging their heels about this. If you dont like the speed at which negotiations are going then look at May and Davis as the reason why. We'd be much further along if those 2 had organised the same level of preparation as the EU had."
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I think a good 9 months were wasted between the referendum and the triggering of article 50. The government should have been laying out proposals, genuinely telling the public what was required, and what was and wasn't possible.
...erm is that what should have been made clear by Cameron before announcing a referendum...? |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"The EU doesn't want us to leave, and rather than accrpt our decision to leave are being deliberately difficult with us in tbe hope we change our minds.
That said, they will nrver be reasonable and therefore we should just threaten to revoke the eu articles. The eu officials won't like it but there is too much of a loss in mutual trade between us and the eu for junker to ignore.
The EU is negotiating the best deal for the EU. I really dont understand this attitude from Brexiters that the EU should just give the Tories whatever they want when the EU has all the leverage in negotiations.
The EU are the ones that were ready for negotiations on day 1, had their positions and strategy ready on day 1, had their positions publicly published on day 1.
The Tories are the ones deagging their heels about this. If you dont like the speed at which negotiations are going then look at May and Davis as the reason why. We'd be much further along if those 2 had organised the same level of preparation as the EU had.
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I think a good 9 months were wasted between the referendum and the triggering of article 50. The government should have been laying out proposals, genuinely telling the public what was required, and what was and wasn't possible.
...erm is that what should have been made clear by Cameron before announcing a referendum...? "
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"Pro remain party in brexit negotiating balls up shock. Labour should have won the GC, at least JC is pro leave.
No we would have ended up remaining in the EU had Labour won the general election. The Labour party have had about a dozen different positions on Brexit, they change Brexit policy like the wind. Corbyn has instructed all Labour MP's to vote against the government on the EU Repeal bill on Monday, if he had his way and won this vote it could stop Brexit in its tracks. There are about 20 Labour Leave rebels who have signalled they intend to defy Corbyn though and vote with the government on the Repeal bill like Kate Hoey and Frank Field. Official Labour policy now seems to be to remain in the single market and the customs union which is really staying in the EU in all but name. Many Leave voters who voted Labour at the general election must now be wondering what the hell they were thinking. I always knew Labour could never be trusted to deliver Brexit and their actions are speaking much louder than their words recently.
They wont vote with the government on the repeal bill....reason why they believe in democracy...and the the repeal bill isnt....in fact some Tories are planning to vote against it
Labour MP Frank Field has already openly said he intends to vote with the government for the EU repeal bill and he knows of 20 Labour rebels who will vote the same way as him to defy Corbyn. He said that Labour MP's who campaigned for Leave in the EU referendum have no choice but to vote for the Repeal bill as it's an essential part of Brexit. There may be 2 or 3 Tory diehard remainers like Anna Soubry and Ken Clarke who will vote against the government but that's it. The numbers are not stacking up for Corbyn with 20 Brexit rebels in his own party and the DUP backing the government he'll lose this vote.
Not a chance in hell of this bill going through....and anyone that thinks that is deluded...this bill means we as a country are one step away from being a dictatorship...why would anyone trust them after all the lies they have told...if anyone supports this bill they must be out of there tiny minds....unless they havnt researched it thoroughly...Centaur we dont agree on brexit...but surely this wasnt what you voted for when you put your X in the box "
You were saying? 
The EU withdrawal bill just got passed in the House of Commons with a majority of 36. 
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Pro remain party in brexit negotiating balls up shock. Labour should have won the GC, at least JC is pro leave.
No we would have ended up remaining in the EU had Labour won the general election. The Labour party have had about a dozen different positions on Brexit, they change Brexit policy like the wind. Corbyn has instructed all Labour MP's to vote against the government on the EU Repeal bill on Monday, if he had his way and won this vote it could stop Brexit in its tracks. There are about 20 Labour Leave rebels who have signalled they intend to defy Corbyn though and vote with the government on the Repeal bill like Kate Hoey and Frank Field. Official Labour policy now seems to be to remain in the single market and the customs union which is really staying in the EU in all but name. Many Leave voters who voted Labour at the general election must now be wondering what the hell they were thinking. I always knew Labour could never be trusted to deliver Brexit and their actions are speaking much louder than their words recently.
They wont vote with the government on the repeal bill....reason why they believe in democracy...and the the repeal bill isnt....in fact some Tories are planning to vote against it
Labour MP Frank Field has already openly said he intends to vote with the government for the EU repeal bill and he knows of 20 Labour rebels who will vote the same way as him to defy Corbyn. He said that Labour MP's who campaigned for Leave in the EU referendum have no choice but to vote for the Repeal bill as it's an essential part of Brexit. There may be 2 or 3 Tory diehard remainers like Anna Soubry and Ken Clarke who will vote against the government but that's it. The numbers are not stacking up for Corbyn with 20 Brexit rebels in his own party and the DUP backing the government he'll lose this vote.
Not a chance in hell of this bill going through....and anyone that thinks that is deluded...this bill means we as a country are one step away from being a dictatorship...why would anyone trust them after all the lies they have told...if anyone supports this bill they must be out of there tiny minds....unless they havnt researched it thoroughly...Centaur we dont agree on brexit...but surely this wasnt what you voted for when you put your X in the box
You were saying?
The EU withdrawal bill just got passed in the House of Commons with a majority of 36.
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Not yet it hasn't....theres another process to go through the hardest one |
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"Pro remain party in brexit negotiating balls up shock. Labour should have won the GC, at least JC is pro leave.
No we would have ended up remaining in the EU had Labour won the general election. The Labour party have had about a dozen different positions on Brexit, they change Brexit policy like the wind. Corbyn has instructed all Labour MP's to vote against the government on the EU Repeal bill on Monday, if he had his way and won this vote it could stop Brexit in its tracks. There are about 20 Labour Leave rebels who have signalled they intend to defy Corbyn though and vote with the government on the Repeal bill like Kate Hoey and Frank Field. Official Labour policy now seems to be to remain in the single market and the customs union which is really staying in the EU in all but name. Many Leave voters who voted Labour at the general election must now be wondering what the hell they were thinking. I always knew Labour could never be trusted to deliver Brexit and their actions are speaking much louder than their words recently.
They wont vote with the government on the repeal bill....reason why they believe in democracy...and the the repeal bill isnt....in fact some Tories are planning to vote against it
Labour MP Frank Field has already openly said he intends to vote with the government for the EU repeal bill and he knows of 20 Labour rebels who will vote the same way as him to defy Corbyn. He said that Labour MP's who campaigned for Leave in the EU referendum have no choice but to vote for the Repeal bill as it's an essential part of Brexit. There may be 2 or 3 Tory diehard remainers like Anna Soubry and Ken Clarke who will vote against the government but that's it. The numbers are not stacking up for Corbyn with 20 Brexit rebels in his own party and the DUP backing the government he'll lose this vote.
Not a chance in hell of this bill going through....and anyone that thinks that is deluded...this bill means we as a country are one step away from being a dictatorship...why would anyone trust them after all the lies they have told...if anyone supports this bill they must be out of there tiny minds....unless they havnt researched it thoroughly...Centaur we dont agree on brexit...but surely this wasnt what you voted for when you put your X in the box
You were saying?
The EU withdrawal bill just got passed in the House of Commons with a majority of 36.
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not yet fella the big ones in October ile enjoy rubbing your nose in it then |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Il take over
Bye EU
We've left
Simples
another early jizz squirt of a statement ... we haven't left yet "
I Know I meant I should take over Negotations .!
Which would be !
Goodbye |
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