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over a year ago
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"Legislation by proclamation, can the government be prevented from using this, by the bill being blocked, or is that just delaying the inevitable? "
Can be blocked and i think will be blocked....defeats the whole object of returning power from Brussels or some would say  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Legislation by proclamation, can the government be prevented from using this, by the bill being blocked, or is that just delaying the inevitable?
Can be blocked and i think will be blocked....defeats the whole object of returning power from Brussels or some would say "
Not sure if the bil's more controversial part can be omitted.
Rummaging through old parchment in a dusty csndle lit vault somewhere there may be something to counter it
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Legislation by proclamation, can the government be prevented from using this, by the bill being blocked, or is that just delaying the inevitable?
Can be blocked and i think will be blocked....defeats the whole object of returning power from Brussels or some would say
Not sure if the bil's more controversial part can be omitted.
Rummaging through old parchment in a dusty csndle lit vault somewhere there may be something to counter it
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Its workers rights and all the other stuff to do with the unemployed/employed that worries me....and dropping the standards that have been built up.
Tbh it was the EU that really forced the government to introduce the minimum wage all those years back |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Legislation by proclamation, can the government be prevented from using this, by the bill being blocked, or is that just delaying the inevitable?
Can be blocked and i think will be blocked....defeats the whole object of returning power from Brussels or some would say
Not sure if the bil's more controversial part can be omitted.
Rummaging through old parchment in a dusty csndle lit vault somewhere there may be something to counter it
Its workers rights and all the other stuff to do with the unemployed/employed that worries me....and dropping the standards that have been built up.
Tbh it was the EU that really forced the government to introduce the minimum wage all those years back "
I did mull this over too, primarily the work time directive. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Legislation by proclamation, can the government be prevented from using this, by the bill being blocked, or is that just delaying the inevitable?
Can be blocked and i think will be blocked....defeats the whole object of returning power from Brussels or some would say
Not sure if the bil's more controversial part can be omitted.
Rummaging through old parchment in a dusty csndle lit vault somewhere there may be something to counter it
Its workers rights and all the other stuff to do with the unemployed/employed that worries me....and dropping the standards that have been built up.
Tbh it was the EU that really forced the government to introduce the minimum wage all those years back
I did mull this over too, primarily the work time directive. "
And if im honest im not sure this is what people voted for in the brexit referendum....theres already been a 7% swing towards remaining from brexiters because of all this |
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The most authoritarian home secretary in history who stripped powers from the police and judiciary transferring them to the home secretary (herself) and formed the NCA (national crime agency) which is fully controlled (both in policy and day to day running) by the home secretary to replace the SFO is now PM and is attempting to grant herself and her ministers the same sort of powers over everything. Now who could have seen that coming? 
I have been drawing comparisons between May and her policies and Hitler for a long time now. I wonder at what point will our cheerleaders for the ultra right admit that they have been supporting a conservative party that has moved so far to the right that it is now out with the fascists and nazis, or have they all pulled their black rubber Hugo Boss trench coats from the back of their respective wardrobes and started practising their straight arm salutes in front of the mirror? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The most authoritarian home secretary in history who stripped powers from the police and judiciary transferring them to the home secretary (herself) and formed the NCA (national crime agency) which is fully controlled (both in policy and day to day running) by the home secretary to replace the SFO is now PM and is attempting to grant herself and her ministers the same sort of powers over everything. Now who could have seen that coming?
I have been drawing comparisons between May and her policies and Hitler for a long time now. I wonder at what point will our cheerleaders for the ultra right admit that they have been supporting a conservative party that has moved so far to the right that it is now out with the fascists and nazis, or have they all pulled their black rubber Hugo Boss trench coats from the back of their respective wardrobes and started practising their straight arm salutes in front of the mirror?"
And fedora style hats..  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The most authoritarian home secretary in history who stripped powers from the police and judiciary transferring them to the home secretary (herself) and formed the NCA (national crime agency) which is fully controlled (both in policy and day to day running) by the home secretary to replace the SFO is now PM and is attempting to grant herself and her ministers the same sort of powers over everything. Now who could have seen that coming?
I have been drawing comparisons between May and her policies and Hitler for a long time now. I wonder at what point will our cheerleaders for the ultra right admit that they have been supporting a conservative party that has moved so far to the right that it is now out with the fascists and nazis, or have they all pulled their black rubber Hugo Boss trench coats from the back of their respective wardrobes and started practising their straight arm salutes in front of the mirror?"
Alzo practicing ze limp  |
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"Alzo practicing ze limp "
Ah, ze britis umer... ha ha...
It would be funny if it were a satirical comedy show but it is a bill in front of parliament...
But I guess we have nothing to fear as she only wants the powers for 2 years, not like the German 1933 Enabling Act which gave Hitler and the Nazi government the power to rule by decree for 4 years. So nothing like the same. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Alzo practicing ze limp
Ah, ze britis umer... ha ha...
It would be funny if it were a satirical comedy show but it is a bill in front of parliament...
But I guess we have nothing to fear as she only wants the powers for 2 years, not like the German 1933 Enabling Act which gave Hitler and the Nazi government the power to rule by decree for 4 years. So nothing like the same."
It dounds ludicrous. A parchment from tbe 1500s giving the toties of all people that amount of power! Straight from an Ealing comedy.. Ffs! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Alzo practicing ze limp
Ah, ze britis umer... ha ha...
It would be funny if it were a satirical comedy show but it is a bill in front of parliament...
But I guess we have nothing to fear as she only wants the powers for 2 years, not like the German 1933 Enabling Act which gave Hitler and the Nazi government the power to rule by decree for 4 years. So nothing like the same.
It dounds ludicrous. A parchment from tbe 1500s giving the toties of all people that amount of power! Straight from an Ealing comedy.. Ffs! "
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I think a lot are missing the point here. Giving ministers these powers is not a bad idea because they are Tory ministers. It's a bad idea and counter democratic move because the powers are going to ministers and not parliament, the fact they are Tory ministers is irrelevant; it would be no more a good idea if they were Labour or LibDem ministers. Parliament is were sovereignty and democratic accountability should lie not the executive (government). |
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"I think a lot are missing the point here. Giving ministers these powers is not a bad idea because they are Tory ministers. It's a bad idea and counter democratic move because the powers are going to ministers and not parliament, the fact they are Tory ministers is irrelevant; it would be no more a good idea if they were Labour or LibDem ministers. Parliament is were sovereignty and democratic accountability should lie not the executive (government)."
I agree with your general point that it would not be a good idea to give these powers to any government. However it is also important to look at the record of those asking or rather demanding these powers and that record must make the granting of these powers even more concerning to anyone with a scintilla of foresight. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"I think a lot are missing the point here. Giving ministers these powers is not a bad idea because they are Tory ministers. It's a bad idea and counter democratic move because the powers are going to ministers and not parliament, the fact they are Tory ministers is irrelevant; it would be no more a good idea if they were Labour or LibDem ministers. Parliament is were sovereignty and democratic accountability should lie not the executive (government)."
Exactly... I don't care who gets to use the potential powers first, it's the point of principle... and I hope that is what ends up being debated |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I think a lot are missing the point here. Giving ministers these powers is not a bad idea because they are Tory ministers. It's a bad idea and counter democratic move because the powers are going to ministers and not parliament, the fact they are Tory ministers is irrelevant; it would be no more a good idea if they were Labour or LibDem ministers. Parliament is were sovereignty and democratic accountability should lie not the executive (government).
Exactly... I don't care who gets to use the potential powers first, it's the point of principle... and I hope that is what ends up being debated "
Yep i agree, i just hope that they agree too and there aren't any other similar documents from centuries ago that are still law |
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" there aren't any other similar documents from centuries ago that are still law"
Actually that is not so...
The Common Law dates back to the 1066, Equity to the 1300's and The Court of Chancery, and the much of legal precedent (judge made law) is just as old. |
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"I think a lot are missing the point here. Giving ministers these powers is not a bad idea because they are Tory ministers. It's a bad idea and counter democratic move because the powers are going to ministers and not parliament, the fact they are Tory ministers is irrelevant; it would be no more a good idea if they were Labour or LibDem ministers. Parliament is were sovereignty and democratic accountability should lie not the executive (government).
I agree with your general point that it would not be a good idea to give these powers to any government. However it is also important to look at the record of those asking or rather demanding these powers and that record must make the granting of these powers even more concerning to anyone with a scintilla of foresight."
The problem is is that once these powers have been ceded to the executive, whether temporarily or not, the precedent to cede these sorts of powers to the executive has been set it will happen again. It's also dangerous to assume that that, while being called temporary now, they will actually be returned to parliament and not extended. Whether you actually agree ot not with what the executive do with the powers is irrelevant so therefore whether those taking those powers from parliament are Labour, LibDem or Conservative is also irrelevant. |
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