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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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Is indepence always a good idea? Should the southern states of the US been allowed to leave the union to carry on slavery? Was the break up of the former Yugoslavia worth it? Eastern Ukraine has been invaded by Russia and then declared independence from the rest of Ukraine, should that be respected? Was the loss of life of the Tamils worth it?
Is terrorism by the likes of ETA, the IRA, the PKK ever legitimate in trying to gain independence? |
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"Is indepence always a good idea? Should the southern states of the US been allowed to leave the union to carry on slavery? Was the break up of the former Yugoslavia worth it? Eastern Ukraine has been invaded by Russia and then declared independence from the rest of Ukraine, should that be respected? Was the loss of life of the Tamils worth it?
Is terrorism by the likes of ETA, the IRA, the PKK ever legitimate in trying to gain independence? "
You are talking about violence and war as a means of gaining independence which is completely different to gaining independence by peaceful and democratic means which is how the UK got back it's independence from the EU in the EU referendum and is how Catalonia is seeking to gain independence from Spain by peaceful democratic vote. |
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"Is indepence always a good idea? Should the southern states of the US been allowed to leave the union to carry on slavery? Was the break up of the former Yugoslavia worth it? Eastern Ukraine has been invaded by Russia and then declared independence from the rest of Ukraine, should that be respected? Was the loss of life of the Tamils worth it?
Is terrorism by the likes of ETA, the IRA, the PKK ever legitimate in trying to gain independence?
You are talking about violence and war as a means of gaining independence which is completely different to gaining independence by peaceful and democratic means which is how the UK got back it's independence from the EU in the EU referendum and is how Catalonia is seeking to gain independence from Spain by peaceful democratic vote. "
I doubt that Jo Cox's family would agree with you! |
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"Is indepence always a good idea? Should the southern states of the US been allowed to leave the union to carry on slavery? Was the break up of the former Yugoslavia worth it? Eastern Ukraine has been invaded by Russia and then declared independence from the rest of Ukraine, should that be respected? Was the loss of life of the Tamils worth it?
Is terrorism by the likes of ETA, the IRA, the PKK ever legitimate in trying to gain independence? "
Very good question and subject  I'm gonna have a think  |
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"Is indepence always a good idea? Should the southern states of the US been allowed to leave the union to carry on slavery? Was the break up of the former Yugoslavia worth it? Eastern Ukraine has been invaded by Russia and then declared independence from the rest of Ukraine, should that be respected? Was the loss of life of the Tamils worth it?
Is terrorism by the likes of ETA, the IRA, the PKK ever legitimate in trying to gain independence?
You are talking about violence and war as a means of gaining independence which is completely different to gaining independence by peaceful and democratic means which is how the UK got back it's independence from the EU in the EU referendum and is how Catalonia is seeking to gain independence from Spain by peaceful democratic vote.
I doubt that Jo Cox's family would agree with you!"
Ah so you blame that on the Vote Leave campaign now do you?  |
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... and today another feller with connections to the same far right brextremist terror group as jo cox's murderer is charged with plotting to be a far-right brextremist assassin by murdering yet another serving labour MP ... some of the five other far-right brextremist in court with him are members of the armed forces |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Apparently Canvey Island want a referendum (seriously!)"
I read the article on the BBC, but it didn't really state whom they wanted independence from. I think it was the local council. |
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it's irrefutable fact that thomas mair was a confirmed member of several far-right brextremist groups including groups banned under the terrorism act ... he was also a confirmed far-right brextremist assassin motivated by his support of ideaologies that centred around controlling imigration, controlling britains borders, a misguided idea that other countries control uk law and many other xenophobic ideas shared and espoused by those who campaigned for brexit |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"... and today another feller with connections to the same far right brextremist terror group as jo cox's murderer is charged with plotting to be a far-right brextremist assassin by murdering yet another serving labour MP ... some of the five other far-right brextremist in court with him are members of the armed forces"
The other five men due in court tomorrow, are mainly from the North West, and are not reported to be serving members of the armed forces. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"it's irrefutable fact that thomas mair was a confirmed member of several far-right brextremist groups including groups banned under the terrorism act ... he was also a confirmed far-right brextremist assassin motivated by his support of ideaologies that centred around controlling imigration, controlling britains borders, a misguided idea that other countries control uk law and many other xenophobic ideas shared and espoused by those who campaigned for brexit "
Thomas Mair did not belong to any organisation, or was a member of any group.
Det Insp Nick Wallen of West Yorkshire police, said of Mair after the trial, that "he was a loner in the truest sense of the word" |
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three of the others are reported as being from the north west, there are conflicting reports as to the hometown of a fourth ... the fifth, a 22 year old who can't be named for legal reasons, is not being reported from a particular location and is widely understood to be facing military court proceedings ....
regardless of any of this, the fact is that today another feller with connections to the same far right brextremist terror group as jo cox's murderer is charged with plotting to be a far-right brextremist assassin by murdering yet another serving labour MP ... along with appearances by five others |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is indepence always a good idea? Should the southern states of the US been allowed to leave the union to carry on slavery? Was the break up of the former Yugoslavia worth it? Eastern Ukraine has been invaded by Russia and then declared independence from the rest of Ukraine, should that be respected? Was the loss of life of the Tamils worth it?
Is terrorism by the likes of ETA, the IRA, the PKK ever legitimate in trying to gain independence? "
The ANC was a terrorist organisation and Mandela was also a terrorist.I think it can be legit |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Is indepence always a good idea? Should the southern states of the US been allowed to leave the union to carry on slavery? Was the break up of the former Yugoslavia worth it? Eastern Ukraine has been invaded by Russia and then declared independence from the rest of Ukraine, should that be respected? Was the loss of life of the Tamils worth it?
Is terrorism by the likes of ETA, the IRA, the PKK ever legitimate in trying to gain independence?
The ANC was a terrorist organisation and Mandela was also a terrorist.I think it can be legit "
Nelson Mandela didn't declare independence.  |
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"Is indepence always a good idea? Should the southern states of the US been allowed to leave the union to carry on slavery? Was the break up of the former Yugoslavia worth it? Eastern Ukraine has been invaded by Russia and then declared independence from the rest of Ukraine, should that be respected? Was the loss of life of the Tamils worth it?
Is terrorism by the likes of ETA, the IRA, the PKK ever legitimate in trying to gain independence?
The ANC was a terrorist organisation and Mandela was also a terrorist.I think it can be legit
Nelson Mandela didn't declare independence. "
They had an armed wing .Thatcher called him a terrorist
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Is indepence always a good idea? Should the southern states of the US been allowed to leave the union to carry on slavery? Was the break up of the former Yugoslavia worth it? Eastern Ukraine has been invaded by Russia and then declared independence from the rest of Ukraine, should that be respected? Was the loss of life of the Tamils worth it?
Is terrorism by the likes of ETA, the IRA, the PKK ever legitimate in trying to gain independence?
The ANC was a terrorist organisation and Mandela was also a terrorist.I think it can be legit
Nelson Mandela didn't declare independence. They had an armed wing .Thatcher called him a terrorist
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Which country did Nelson Mandela declare indepence from and what is the name of the new country he created? |
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"Is indepence always a good idea? Should the southern states of the US been allowed to leave the union to carry on slavery? Was the break up of the former Yugoslavia worth it? Eastern Ukraine has been invaded by Russia and then declared independence from the rest of Ukraine, should that be respected? Was the loss of life of the Tamils worth it?
Is terrorism by the likes of ETA, the IRA, the PKK ever legitimate in trying to gain independence?
The ANC was a terrorist organisation and Mandela was also a terrorist.I think it can be legit
Nelson Mandela didn't declare independence. They had an armed wing .Thatcher called him a terrorist
Which country did Nelson Mandela declare indepence from and what is the name of the new country he created?"
You can equate the freedom from apartheid of the south african to an independence movement . Who cares if it meets your criteria.
Would the people repressed under the apartheid police state have kept faith with the ANC if there had not been a dimension of armed resistance to the struggle? I doubt it very much.Armed struggle can bring positive change. |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Is indepence always a good idea? Should the southern states of the US been allowed to leave the union to carry on slavery? Was the break up of the former Yugoslavia worth it? Eastern Ukraine has been invaded by Russia and then declared independence from the rest of Ukraine, should that be respected? Was the loss of life of the Tamils worth it?
Is terrorism by the likes of ETA, the IRA, the PKK ever legitimate in trying to gain independence?
The ANC was a terrorist organisation and Mandela was also a terrorist.I think it can be legit
Nelson Mandela didn't declare independence. They had an armed wing .Thatcher called him a terrorist
Which country did Nelson Mandela declare indepence from and what is the name of the new country he created?
You can equate the freedom from apartheid of the south african to an independence movement . Who cares if it meets your criteria.
Would the people repressed under the apartheid police state have kept faith with the ANC if there had not been a dimension of armed resistance to the struggle? I doubt it very much.Armed struggle can bring positive change."
So Mandela didn't declare independence, and didn't create a new country. Thanks for the posts though Bob. Really relevant to the topic at hand. |
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"Is indepence always a good idea? Should the southern states of the US been allowed to leave the union to carry on slavery? Was the break up of the former Yugoslavia worth it? Eastern Ukraine has been invaded by Russia and then declared independence from the rest of Ukraine, should that be respected? Was the loss of life of the Tamils worth it?
Is terrorism by the likes of ETA, the IRA, the PKK ever legitimate in trying to gain independence?
The ANC was a terrorist organisation and Mandela was also a terrorist.I think it can be legit
Nelson Mandela didn't declare independence. They had an armed wing .Thatcher called him a terrorist
Which country did Nelson Mandela declare indepence from and what is the name of the new country he created?
You can equate the freedom from apartheid of the south african to an independence movement . Who cares if it meets your criteria.
Would the people repressed under the apartheid police state have kept faith with the ANC if there had not been a dimension of armed resistance to the struggle? I doubt it very much.Armed struggle can bring positive change.
So Mandela didn't declare independence, and didn't create a new country. Thanks for the posts though Bob. Really relevant to the topic at hand. "
He gained a country for the repressed but hey you dont like the idea that armed struggle can bring results for the down trodden.The pleasure was all mine dude |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Was it worth it for countries under German occupation during ww2 to resist ?
I'm sure the french, Dutch etc felt so"
That's fighting a foreign invader, not the same at all. |
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England invaded Ireland and some have fought to regain independence, it was through violence that some independence was gained and some feel only by further violence can the rest of the country be a whole once again.
In you original post you referred to eta & Ira.
Not that the majority condone violence but those that do see the rationale in it ! |
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"Is indepence always a good idea? Should the southern states of the US been allowed to leave the union to carry on slavery? Was the break up of the former Yugoslavia worth it? Eastern Ukraine has been invaded by Russia and then declared independence from the rest of Ukraine, should that be respected? Was the loss of life of the Tamils worth it?
Is terrorism by the likes of ETA, the IRA, the PKK ever legitimate in trying to gain independence?
The ANC was a terrorist organisation and Mandela was also a terrorist.I think it can be legit "
One mans terroist is always going to be another mans freedom fighter ! |
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