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"they have done analysis the oldest skeleton found in the uk.... and found something shocking.... instead of the common assumption which was that he was fair skinned and brown eyed, instead he was found to be very darked skinned (black) and blue eyed..... so.... no we know...... can i say to people "get out of MY country!!!!" "only if you're a neanderthal | |||
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"they have done analysis the oldest skeleton found in the uk.... and found something shocking.... instead of the common assumption which was that he was fair skinned and brown eyed, instead he was found to be very darked skinned (black) and blue eyed..... so.... no we know...... can i say to people "get out of MY country!!!!" "  | |||
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"Haha seen that aswell thought blue eyes were from Eastern Europe tho " That's the likely source of the mutation I believe, over towards the middle east. I think it's great news, presumably some people won't like a black Britain though | |||
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"Been reading the story on the Mail Online - the comments section... OMG " Brave  | |||
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"they have done analysis the oldest skeleton found in the uk.... and found something shocking.... instead of the common assumption which was that he was fair skinned and brown eyed, instead he was found to be very darked skinned (black) and blue eyed..... so.... no we know...... can i say to people "get out of MY country!!!!" "No but you can say hello my brothers and sisters.. | |||
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"they have done analysis the oldest skeleton found in the uk.... and found something shocking.... instead of the common assumption which was that he was fair skinned and brown eyed, instead he was found to be very darked skinned (black) and blue eyed..... so.... no we know...... can i say to people "get out of MY country!!!!" "so? where did you go wrong in all these years boy!  | |||
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"bloody foreigners.... coming here, taking our jobs!!!!! "aw Fabio he's mixed race tho to ave blue eyes lol | |||
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"bloody foreigners.... coming here, taking our jobs!!!!! "I see he'd been eating all the cheddar then  | |||
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"Been reading the story on the Mail Online - the comments section... OMG " Haha, what are they saying? | |||
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"Poor sod..... The white racists won't want him because he's black, and the black racists won't want him because he's got white man's blue eyes. " Plus he ate all the flamin cheddar! | |||
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"We all came out of Africa originally" I remember a thread a couple of years ago where the OP was adamant that all human life had originated in Scotland, and spread to the rest of the world from there. unsurprisingly they were unable to offer any scientific proof to support their theory! | |||
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"Been reading the story on the Mail Online - the comments section... OMG Haha, what are they saying? " He's an early EU army footsoldier | |||
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"It's thought he came to the UK via Doggerland. What amazes me is how quickly skin color changes have happened. In 2000 years, was Jesus perhaps purple? " She was yes.. with yellow spots and webbed feet.. | |||
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"It's thought he came to the UK via Doggerland. What amazes me is how quickly skin color changes have happened. In 2000 years, was Jesus perhaps purple? " The earliest known image of the character was androgynous. The religious mullahs gave the individual a makeover to create the masculine image recognisable today. Most unlikely that someone born in that neck of the woods had a western european appearance. | |||
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"Would have been popular on here then,!" Nah, he'd be well out of everyone's age range, it only goes up to 99. | |||
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"It's thought he came to the UK via Doggerland. What amazes me is how quickly skin color changes have happened. In 2000 years, was Jesus perhaps purple? The earliest known image of the character was androgynous. The religious mullahs gave the individual a makeover to create the masculine image recognisable today. Most unlikely that someone born in that neck of the woods had a western european appearance. " He may have had more similarities to Cheddar man | |||
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"It's thought he came to the UK via Doggerland. What amazes me is how quickly skin color changes have happened. In 2000 years, was Jesus perhaps purple? " He's tall, white, blue eyed with a beard and long hair, isn't he?  | |||
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"It's thought he came to the UK via Doggerland. What amazes me is how quickly skin color changes have happened. In 2000 years, was Jesus perhaps purple? The earliest known image of the character was androgynous. The religious mullahs gave the individual a makeover to create the masculine image recognisable today. Most unlikely that someone born in that neck of the woods had a western european appearance. " SHOCKED. | |||
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"Luckily Jesus Christ was a fair skinned, blue eyed blonde chap. God is also an old white man. I've seen pictures "Never in my days would I ever have thought I would agree with "_asyuk" | |||
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Oh! And Fabio for new fabswingers god.....I can grovel with the best of them | |||
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"they have done analysis the oldest skeleton found in the uk.... and found something shocking.... instead of the common assumption which was that he was fair skinned and brown eyed, instead he was found to be very darked skinned (black) and blue eyed..... so.... no we know...... can i say to people "get out of MY country!!!!" "You have blue eyes Fabio? But it has always been your country. | |||
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"they have done analysis the oldest skeleton found in the uk.... and found something shocking.... instead of the common assumption which was that he was fair skinned and brown eyed, instead he was found to be very darked skinned (black) and blue eyed..... so.... no we know...... can i say to people "get out of MY country!!!!" "We have known for a long time that man came from Africa so it should not be a suprise | |||
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"I wonder how many here realise race is a human construct. "What about the "human race"? | |||
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"bloody foreigners.... coming here, taking our jobs!!!!! " | |||
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"As the late Jimmy Reid said Jesus could not go to an Afrikaans church in South Africa because he was coloured. We have this perception that Jesus was white due to the early paintings of him from Italy. I am sure the white supremacists will dispute we were all black at some time." a bar of soap soon fixes that | |||
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"As the late Jimmy Reid said Jesus could not go to an Afrikaans church in South Africa because he was coloured. We have this perception that Jesus was white due to the early paintings of him from Italy. I am sure the white supremacists will dispute we were all black at some time. a bar of soap soon fixes that "Good idea.. Wash the racists mouths out with soap.. | |||
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" Regards the human race(Homo sapiens) some are more Neanderthal and denosovian than others in their DNA. Race is irrelevant in terms of homo sapiens biology.Its like saying scousers are different to Geordies." we are, we have one decent football team and one that plays in blue.. | |||
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"UKIP could use cheddar man as their poster boy.With the caption. "Unchecked immigration for the last 9,000 years"." | |||
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"UKIP could use cheddar man as their poster boy.With the caption. "Unchecked immigration for the last 9,000 years"." with a photo of Farage and Cheddar man side by side and the caption 'brothers'.. | |||
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"I think it highly likely that Cheddar man was persucuted for coming over here and stealing our caves, while also contributing to the community hunter/gathering. It's the result of an open door immigration policy, pure and simple. " The door was wide open we didn't even have the English channel to stop them.The foreigners just walked across .No need to camp in Calais and wait for a lorry . | |||
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" Regards the human race(Homo sapiens) some are more Neanderthal and denosovian than others in their DNA. Race is irrelevant in terms of homo sapiens biology.Its like saying scousers are different to Geordies." Do they have genetic differences in terms of skin colour, eye shape, eye colour, hair types, vitamin D absorption, sickle cell etc? | |||
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" Regards the human race(Homo sapiens) some are more Neanderthal and denosovian than others in their DNA. Race is irrelevant in terms of homo sapiens biology.Its like saying scousers are different to Geordies. Do they have genetic differences in terms of skin colour, eye shape, eye colour, hair types, vitamin D absorption, sickle cell etc? " As far as i know the only differences are the football teams they support. | |||
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"I wonder how many here realise race is a human construct. "It's quite an odd one too - the nearest analogue we have is in "breeds" of animal - It isn't often disputed, however, that breeds of animal are incredibly similar, genetically speaking...... | |||
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"I wonder how many here realise race is a human construct.
It's quite an odd one too - the nearest analogue we have is in "breeds" of animal - It isn't often disputed, however, that breeds of animal are incredibly similar, genetically speaking......"But you can look at a pug next to a whippet and a St Bernard and see there is something different, right? | |||
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"I wonder how many here realise race is a human construct.
It's quite an odd one too - the nearest analogue we have is in "breeds" of animal - It isn't often disputed, however, that breeds of animal are incredibly similar, genetically speaking......
But you can look at a pug next to a whippet and a St Bernard and see there is something different, right? "Yes, but they are all Canis domesticus (which has only recently been created to take into account the many phenotypic differences dogs seem capable of exhibiting) They can all interbreed, and can also all breed with wolves. This is exactly my point - dog breeds probably all share 99.9% of DNA. | |||
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"I wonder how many here realise race is a human construct.
It's quite an odd one too - the nearest analogue we have is in "breeds" of animal - It isn't often disputed, however, that breeds of animal are incredibly similar, genetically speaking......
But you can look at a pug next to a whippet and a St Bernard and see there is something different, right?
Yes, but they are all Canis domesticus (which has only recently been created to take into account the many phenotypic differences dogs seem capable of exhibiting) They can all interbreed, and can also all breed with wolves.
This is exactly my point - dog breeds probably all share 99.9% of DNA. "Also; it is important to add that you only tend to find such massive variances in phenotype when breeding has been artificially controlled and natural slection pressure has been removed - Humans have been essentially nomadic for a very large part of their existence, meaning it is much easier for gene pools to mix. | |||
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"I wonder how many here realise race is a human construct.
It's quite an odd one too - the nearest analogue we have is in "breeds" of animal - It isn't often disputed, however, that breeds of animal are incredibly similar, genetically speaking......
But you can look at a pug next to a whippet and a St Bernard and see there is something different, right? "I'd suggest you read up. Genetic variation doesn't follow racial lines. When you look at the human genome there is not one absolute genetic variant that could differentiate Europeans from Africans. Which means no single variant where all Africans have one variant and all Europeans another one.Thats why geneticist and evolutionary biologist consider the concept of race a human and social construct and irrelevant. | |||
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"I wonder how many here realise race is a human construct.
It's quite an odd one too - the nearest analogue we have is in "breeds" of animal - It isn't often disputed, however, that breeds of animal are incredibly similar, genetically speaking......
But you can look at a pug next to a whippet and a St Bernard and see there is something different, right? I'd suggest you read up. Genetic variation doesn't follow racial lines.
When you look at the human genome there is not one absolute genetic variant that could differentiate Europeans from Africans. Which means no single variant where all Africans have one variant and all Europeans another one.Thats why geneticist and evolutionary biologist consider the concept of race a human and social construct and irrelevant."You can't see the difference between a pug a whippet and a St Bernard without looking at a book?  | |||
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"I wonder how many here realise race is a human construct.
It's quite an odd one too - the nearest analogue we have is in "breeds" of animal - It isn't often disputed, however, that breeds of animal are incredibly similar, genetically speaking......
But you can look at a pug next to a whippet and a St Bernard and see there is something different, right? I'd suggest you read up. Genetic variation doesn't follow racial lines.
When you look at the human genome there is not one absolute genetic variant that could differentiate Europeans from Africans. Which means no single variant where all Africans have one variant and all Europeans another one.Thats why geneticist and evolutionary biologist consider the concept of race a human and social construct and irrelevant.
You can't see the difference between a pug a whippet and a St Bernard without looking at a book? "Look up phenotype and then look up genotype. Fact there is no gene that defines race .You can compare wolves to chihuahua's if you like and i could roll my eyes also to look clever.However i don't think you grasp what i am talking about.So maybe someone who is better at explaining genetics should step in. | |||
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"I wonder how many here realise race is a human construct.
It's quite an odd one too - the nearest analogue we have is in "breeds" of animal - It isn't often disputed, however, that breeds of animal are incredibly similar, genetically speaking......
But you can look at a pug next to a whippet and a St Bernard and see there is something different, right? I'd suggest you read up. Genetic variation doesn't follow racial lines.
When you look at the human genome there is not one absolute genetic variant that could differentiate Europeans from Africans. Which means no single variant where all Africans have one variant and all Europeans another one.Thats why geneticist and evolutionary biologist consider the concept of race a human and social construct and irrelevant.
You can't see the difference between a pug a whippet and a St Bernard without looking at a book? Look up phenotype and then look up genotype.
Fact there is no gene that defines race .You can compare wolves to chihuahua's if you like and i could roll my eyes also to look clever.However i don't think you grasp what i am talking about.So maybe someone who is better at explaining genetics should step in. "I would presume that my sister and I (mr) share quite a bit of DNA, right? Do you think you could tell us apart if we were both naked? | |||
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"they have done analysis the oldest skeleton found in the uk.... and found something shocking.... instead of the common assumption which was that he was fair skinned and brown eyed, instead he was found to be very darked skinned (black) and blue eyed..... so.... no we know...... can i say to people "get out of MY country!!!!" "You are aware that white skinned gents brought him over to UK all these years back, they just haven't dug up our white skinned gents yet keep on searching | |||
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"they have done analysis the oldest skeleton found in the uk.... and found something shocking.... instead of the common assumption which was that he was fair skinned and brown eyed, instead he was found to be very darked skinned (black) and blue eyed..... so.... no we know...... can i say to people "get out of MY country!!!!"
You are aware that white skinned gents brought him over to UK all these years back, they just haven't dug up our white skinned gents yet
keep on searching"Somebody is a little triggered tonight digging up a 7 day old thread...Get you...  | |||
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"they have done analysis the oldest skeleton found in the uk.... and found something shocking.... instead of the common assumption which was that he was fair skinned and brown eyed, instead he was found to be very darked skinned (black) and blue eyed..... so.... no we know...... can i say to people "get out of MY country!!!!"
You are aware that white skinned gents brought him over to UK all these years back, they just haven't dug up our white skinned gents yet
keep on searching
Somebody is a little triggered tonight digging up a 7 day old thread...Get you... "yeh, I had to scroll down like 9 threads, such time and effort I will never get that second back | |||
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"they have done analysis the oldest skeleton found in the uk.... and found something shocking.... instead of the common assumption which was that he was fair skinned and brown eyed, instead he was found to be very darked skinned (black) and blue eyed..... so.... no we know...... can i say to people "get out of MY country!!!!"
You are aware that white skinned gents brought him over to UK all these years back, they just haven't dug up our white skinned gents yet
keep on searching
Somebody is a little triggered tonight digging up a 7 day old thread...Get you...
yeh, I had to scroll down like 9 threads, such time and effort I will never get that second back"7 day old thread.. | |||
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"they have done analysis the oldest skeleton found in the uk.... and found something shocking.... instead of the common assumption which was that he was fair skinned and brown eyed, instead he was found to be very darked skinned (black) and blue eyed..... so.... no we know...... can i say to people "get out of MY country!!!!"
You are aware that white skinned gents brought him over to UK all these years back, they just haven't dug up our white skinned gents yet
keep on searching"Didn't they say the white skinned gents came from the middle east in the same report . Talk about taking over the country. Happened so long ago. | |||
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"they have done analysis the oldest skeleton found in the uk.... and found something shocking.... instead of the common assumption which was that he was fair skinned and brown eyed, instead he was found to be very darked skinned (black) and blue eyed..... so.... no we know...... can i say to people "get out of MY country!!!!"
You are aware that white skinned gents brought him over to UK all these years back, they just haven't dug up our white skinned gents yet
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Didn't they say the white skinned gents came from the middle east in the same report . Talk about taking over the country. Happened so long ago. "Well its well known Jesus was white, as well as god the creator | |||
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"Think the weight of science and probability is against you there, mate. " I'm happy with whatever science discovers about our ancestry.Im aware of the history and the earliest hominids are in Africa.I was more referring to the evolution of the earliest homosapiens being found close to Europe.Up until last year it wasz thought homosapiens diverged from other hominids 200,000 years ago in sub Saharan Africa.Then last year we found homosapiens in Morocco in north Africa which lived there 315,000 years ago. rewriting that history books. | |||
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" Something those proud white guys down the pub will approve of. " I find it interesting how you apply amateurish critical theory to certain groups and subjects. One could be forgiven for thinking you're quite the partisan. | |||
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" Something those proud white guys down the pub will approve of. I find it interesting how you apply amateurish critical theory to certain groups and subjects. One could be forgiven for thinking you're quite the partisan." Do you think Africans were jumping for joy over cheddar man. However social media had its panties all twisted over cheddar man not being white. I'm guessing the culprits with the tight panties were white.. | |||
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"If by not 'white' you mean not Northern European then I'm afraid you're mistaken. I also find it annoying how journalists and certain groups have perpetuated unsubstantiated 'suggestive' claims to fit a narrative." So basically your panties got twisted also. Where exactly are we going with this.? Are you suggesting the anthropology/archaeology department are part of a Liberal conspiracy to undermine brexiters immigration aspirations..? | |||
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" When you look at the human genome there is not one absolute genetic variant that could differentiate Europeans from Africans. Which means no single variant where all Africans have one variant and all Europeans another one." Below is an extract from the Scientific American. "What the study of complete genomes from different parts of the world has shown is that even between Africa and Europe, for example, there is not a single absolute genetic difference, meaning no single variant where all Africans have one variant and all Europeans another one," Are you plagiarizing, sir? | |||
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" When you look at the human genome there is not one absolute genetic variant that could differentiate Europeans from Africans. Which means no single variant where all Africans have one variant and all Europeans another one. Below is an extract from the Scientific American. "What the study of complete genomes from different parts of the world has shown is that even between Africa and Europe, for example, there is not a single absolute genetic difference, meaning no single variant where all Africans have one variant and all Europeans another one," Are you plagiarizing, sir? " I can see those panties are very tight today.Do you have w problem with some copy n paste.I don't..Next question. | |||
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" So basically your panties got twisted also. Where exactly are we going with this.? Are you suggesting the anthropology/archaeology department are part of a Liberal conspiracy to undermine brexiters immigration aspirations..?" I won't address your mental gymnastics but I will briefly allude to the fact that Bryan Sykes is not the best professor to be working alongside Cheddar Man. And regarding the UCL, no, I don't trust them. This isn't the first time we've seen these 'coffeehouse tricks' being played by both the latter and former. | |||
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" I can see those panties are very tight today.Do you have w problem with some copy n paste.I don't..Next question." But you didn't just copy and paste, you altered the text slightly. Nor did you highlight it as a source. That my pedigree chum, is plagiarism. | |||
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" So basically your panties got twisted also. Where exactly are we going with this.? Are you suggesting the anthropology/archaeology department are part of a Liberal conspiracy to undermine brexiters immigration aspirations..? I won't address your mental gymnastics but I will briefly allude to the fact that Bryan Sykes is not the best professor to be working alongside Cheddar Man. And regarding the UCL, no, I don't trust them. This isn't the first time we've seen these 'coffeehouse tricks' being played by both the latter and former. " I couldn't comment on who is best to work on cheddar man maybe you could suggest some guy you know. | |||
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" When you look at the human genome there is not one absolute genetic variant that could differentiate Europeans from Africans. Which means no single variant where all Africans have one variant and all Europeans another one. Below is an extract from the Scientific American. "What the study of complete genomes from different parts of the world has shown is that even between Africa and Europe, for example, there is not a single absolute genetic difference, meaning no single variant where all Africans have one variant and all Europeans another one," Are you plagiarizing, sir? " This is an internet discussion forum, not a scientific paper. The board technology is so primitive you can't embed links etc, copying is fine. It's quite amusing that you seem incredibly desperate for cheddar man not to have had dark skin though.... | |||
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" This is an internet discussion forum, not a scientific paper. The board technology is so primitive you can't embed links etc, copying is fine. It's quite amusing that you seem incredibly desperate for cheddar man not to have had dark skin though...." If my alluding to the fact the poster copied a text then slightly altered it instead of highlighting it as a source in itself is, in your opinion, tantamount to a scientific paper, then I suggest you buy yourself another hat, sir. I'd call the above the very definition of plagiarism. Regarding my 'incredible desperation' you seem to be picking on although I've expressed nothing of the sort. If you go through my above exchange you'll see that I highlight the fact that the hunter gatherers of Northern Europe did indeed have darker skin. My point is that to suggest this makes them black is a falsehood and is not backed up by scientific evidence. | |||
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" This is an internet discussion forum, not a scientific paper. The board technology is so primitive you can't embed links etc, copying is fine. It's quite amusing that you seem incredibly desperate for cheddar man not to have had dark skin though.... If my alluding to the fact the poster copied a text then slightly altered it instead of highlighting it as a source in itself is, in your opinion, tantamount to a scientific paper, then I suggest you buy yourself another hat, sir. I'd call the above the very definition of plagiarism. Regarding my 'incredible desperation' you seem to be picking on although I've expressed nothing of the sort. If you go through my above exchange you'll see that I highlight the fact that the hunter gatherers of Northern Europe did indeed have darker skin. My point is that to suggest this makes them black is a falsehood and is not backed up by scientific evidence. " We're going off-topic by focusing on allegations of plagiarism. This is not an academic institution and I don't sense that anyone is proposing that they have undertaken some groundbreaking research, in the hope that Fab will pass as credible scientific literature. It's much more interesting to focus on the this guy's attributes that have been evaluated and proposed, as well as what this means for UK populations. | |||
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" This is an internet discussion forum, not a scientific paper. The board technology is so primitive you can't embed links etc, copying is fine. It's quite amusing that you seem incredibly desperate for cheddar man not to have had dark skin though.... If my alluding to the fact the poster copied a text then slightly altered it instead of highlighting it as a source in itself is, in your opinion, tantamount to a scientific paper, then I suggest you buy yourself another hat, sir. I'd call the above the very definition of plagiarism. Regarding my 'incredible desperation' you seem to be picking on although I've expressed nothing of the sort. If you go through my above exchange you'll see that I highlight the fact that the hunter gatherers of Northern Europe did indeed have darker skin. My point is that to suggest this makes them black is a falsehood and is not backed up by scientific evidence. " It's an internet discussion forum. There is no academic penalty for plagiarism, because it is not academic. Think of it more as a discussion in a pub. | |||
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" This is an internet discussion forum, not a scientific paper. The board technology is so primitive you can't embed links etc, copying is fine. It's quite amusing that you seem incredibly desperate for cheddar man not to have had dark skin though.... If my alluding to the fact the poster copied a text then slightly altered it instead of highlighting it as a source in itself is, in your opinion, tantamount to a scientific paper, then I suggest you buy yourself another hat, sir. I'd call the above the very definition of plagiarism. Regarding my 'incredible desperation' you seem to be picking on although I've expressed nothing of the sort. If you go through my above exchange you'll see that I highlight the fact that the hunter gatherers of Northern Europe did indeed have darker skin. My point is that to suggest this makes them black is a falsehood and is not backed up by scientific evidence. It's an internet discussion forum. There is no academic penalty for plagiarism, because it is not academic. Think of it more as a discussion in a pub. " Yep white guys down the pub .. | |||
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" Regards the human race(Homo sapiens) some are more Neanderthal and denosovian than others in their DNA. Race is irrelevant in terms of homo sapiens biology.Its like saying scousers are different to Geordies." But we are!! | |||
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" Regards the human race(Homo sapiens) some are more Neanderthal and denosovian than others in their DNA. Race is irrelevant in terms of homo sapiens biology.Its like saying scousers are different to Geordies. we are, we have one decent football team and one that plays in blue.. "
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"I didn't manage to watch the show, so will have to see it via catchup. Published research will be even better "I watched it last night it was very good. | |||
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I watched it last night it was very good. "Thanks for the feedback Bob - I take it that that's a recommendation? | |||
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"This reminds me of an exchange with some loon all about how he knew he real story of Jesus Christ (as if he was there). Ultimately all this boils down to supposition and we will never know for certain as the evidence is too limited and too open to erroneous interpretation by bad science. In any case, the findings don't give us much new info to act on in the modern world. " The science is likely to improve over time though. As just a solitary individual, of interest because of his complete skeletal remains, he remains more of a focal point for some populist science and something like a case study. The beaker people likely had greater influence on the population, although both examples came at a time when population levels were tiny, compared to today and could exert a lot of influence upon subsequent generations. | |||
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"Breaking News. Surprise, surprise, it looks like the Cheddar Man is now being debunked this morning by the New Scientist, other outlets and even one of the geneticists who performed the research, quote from him below: "The conclusion is less certain, and according to others we are not even close to knowing the skin colour of any ancient human." Check out the news today, chaps. I'm looking forward forward to the retraction by the leftwing press. So bloody obvious as well." The problem with popular media presentations of science is that they may be formulated primarily for entertainment, as well as gaining attention. This is particularly important when the material isn't the presentation of published research data in reputable literature. I'm assuming that all of the techniques used in the show have had some years of scientific development behind them, although the combined totality of them hasn't perhaps investigated such ancient genetic material, resulting in peer reviewed papers. Most people prefer clear, cut and dry answers rather than grey areas of maybes and supposition - probably more so when included in popular TV shows. Whilst the constructed head of the Cheddar man was life-like, it was an estimation presumably with a reasonable level of uncertainty. If nothing else, it raised the concept of progressive immigration to the UK and how science may help unravel the unknown. | |||
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"The trouble is nowadays media, arts and even academia will use any underhanded opportunity to legitimize and add weight to the current political and cultural status quo, especially surrounding the anti-nationalism narrative that currently saturates the West. And anyone who tries to point out the obvious is deemed a white racist nazi and so on. I find it highly amusing that the Daily Mail receives so much criticism for being too conservative, traditional and xenophobic when in theory there is no right paradigm in the Press anymore as the Overton Window has moved so far left that even centrist prints, like the above, are now lumped into the far-right category. Cheddar Man is just one of many attacks on western nationalism from modernity. Some attacks will sneak through and become legitimized while others will fall on their sword. Luckily this one fell. Good, I'm glad of it. " Yes, we are so far to the left in the West that we have Brexit, Trump, right wing parties on the rise throughout Europe... Truly, that some people think the Daily Mail is shit proves we are living in Jeremy Corbyn's dream world. | |||
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"No, people voted for Brexit and Trump, the establishment have other plans. Brexit going through is about as viable and legit as an Armani suit from Soho Market. As for Trump, the shit he gets from the 'establishment' is unprecedented in US history. Think back to Obama, even other republican presidents, there's never been such an unattainable presidential position like this. So yeah, the ballot might still reflect normality but the establishment and their sheeple have no intention of letting that normality manifest. In a few more years as more like me die off, the ballot will be yours. Untill the next strong traditional group come along to extinguish this liberal quasi-marxist drivel that now reigns in the west. I have a feeling it'll be an ultra-conservative group from the East backed by a strong religion that'll put an end to western nihilism." Ah, there's the Marxism reference! A good paranoid right wing rant is not complete without one. | |||
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"That's it, lad. Don't address anything bar a sprinkling of ad hominem and references to paranoia. Oy, Einstein, did you not know Corbyn and McDonnell by their own admission are marxists? That marxism and critical theory dominate the Humanities of every campus in the west. Deny it till the cows come home, laddo. But don't expect others not to see it." That wasn't what an ad hominem is, old boy. Suggest you look it up! | |||
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"Spin it out how you want, chap. The UCL supposèd findings are now debunked, even by their own geneticists. To be honest they've misrepresented and have been misrepresented from the get-go pertaining to this new cheddar man theory. It's out there now for all to see. Good." Fine. Debunked by whom? I am perfectly willing to believe you. Point me to the paper and the research not a headline. | |||
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"No, people voted for Brexit and Trump, the establishment have other plans. Brexit going through is about as viable and legit as an Armani suit from Soho Market. As for Trump, the shit he gets from the 'establishment' is unprecedented in US history. Think back to Obama, even other republican presidents, there's never been such an unattainable presidential position like this. So yeah, the ballot might still reflect normality but the establishment and their sheeple have no intention of letting that normality manifest. In a few more years as more like me die off, the ballot will be yours. Untill the next strong traditional group come along to extinguish this liberal quasi-marxist drivel that now reigns in the west. I have a feeling it'll be an ultra-conservative group from the East backed by a strong religion that'll put an end to western nihilism." You do know that you didn't actually say anything here don't you? All I can interpret is that you want a "strong" king to tell people what to do and most importantly separate "races" and religions. I get the impression that you might like it to be Putin with his top off. If you can state what you actually mean and want a little more clearly that would be helpful | |||
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"That's it, lad. Don't address anything bar a sprinkling of ad hominem and references to paranoia. Oy, Einstein, did you not know Corbyn and McDonnell by their own admission are marxists? That marxism and critical theory dominate the Humanities of every campus in the west. Deny it till the cows come home, laddo. But don't expect others not to see it. That wasn't what an ad hominem is, old boy. Suggest you look it up! " Agreed. I thought you'd called me a paranoid ranter. Accusation of ad hominem retracted. But again, you didn't address anything bar a mistake on my behalf. I can only assume you accept that marxism is at play with the likes of the politicians I mentioned (and many more) and in the corridors of academia. Unless you forgot to add something, lad? | |||
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"No, people voted for Brexit and Trump, the establishment have other plans. Brexit going through is about as viable and legit as an Armani suit from Soho Market. As for Trump, the shit he gets from the 'establishment' is unprecedented in US history. Think back to Obama, even other republican presidents, there's never been such an unattainable presidential position like this. So yeah, the ballot might still reflect normality but the establishment and their sheeple have no intention of letting that normality manifest. In a few more years as more like me die off, the ballot will be yours. Untill the next strong traditional group come along to extinguish this liberal quasi-marxist drivel that now reigns in the west. I have a feeling it'll be an ultra-conservative group from the East backed by a strong religion that'll put an end to western nihilism. You do know that you didn't actually say anything here don't you? All I can interpret is that you want a "strong" king to tell people what to do and most importantly separate "races" and religions. I get the impression that you might like it to be Putin with his top off. If you can state what you actually mean and want a little more clearly that would be helpful "That's a lot of guess work on your behalf, fella. Perhaps you should follow the posts a bit more closely. I'm ok to discuss absolute monarchism v absolute democracy, as I think the very fact terms of office are at play in the latter might have a detrimental effect on a given country's long-term strategic goals. But all this is by-the-by. My point, if you bother to read from the first post, pertains to academia and media and its treatment of the current Cheddar Man Theory (now debunked). | |||
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"That's it, lad. Don't address anything bar a sprinkling of ad hominem and references to paranoia. Oy, Einstein, did you not know Corbyn and McDonnell by their own admission are marxists? That marxism and critical theory dominate the Humanities of every campus in the west. Deny it till the cows come home, laddo. But don't expect others not to see it. That wasn't what an ad hominem is, old boy. Suggest you look it up! Agreed. I thought you'd called me a paranoid ranter. Accusation of ad hominem retracted. But again, you didn't address anything bar a mistake on my behalf. I can only assume you accept that marxism is at play with the likes of the politicians I mentioned (and many more) and in the corridors of academia. Unless you forgot to add something, lad?" What you claimed wasn't that Marxists existed. What you claimed was that the West is in the grips of the far left. Which is clearly nonsense. Corbyn lost the last election to a terrible PM who fought a terrible campaign. If Marxists had such power, why didn't Corbyn win? Do you want to change your argument to 'Marxists exist'? | |||
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"Spin it out how you want, chap. The UCL supposèd findings are now debunked, even by their own geneticists. To be honest they've misrepresented and have been misrepresented from the get-go pertaining to this new cheddar man theory. It's out there now for all to see. Good. Fine. Debunked by whom? I am perfectly willing to believe you. Point me to the paper and the research not a headline." No, don't believe me, old boy. Use your initiative and take a look for yourself. Or better still point me to the paper that proves the theory, afterall I can apply Hitchens' Razor as well. | |||
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" What you claimed was that the West is in the grips of the far left. " And I stand by that, mate. Cheddar Man being 'black' is just another form of cultural relativism used to attack western nationalism. I won't deny this. We see these type of tools used time and time again in academia, media and political spheres. As I say, I believe because the Overton Window has shifted so far to the left that the only time we're now able to see a true reflection of how far removed the ruling class is, is with the ballot; ergo, Trump, ergo Brexit and so on. | |||
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" What you claimed was that the West is in the grips of the far left. And I stand by that, mate. Cheddar Man being 'black' is just another form of cultural relativism used to attack western nationalism. I won't deny this. We see these type of tools used time and time again in academia, media and political spheres. As I say, I believe because the Overton Window has shifted so far to the left that the only time we're now able to see a true reflection of how far removed the ruling class is, is with the ballot; ergo, Trump, ergo Brexit and so on." Yes, I know what you believe. It just doesn't marry up with reality. If Marxism had any power or following at all in this country, Corbyn would be Prime Minister. Cheddar Man is an example of the media getting over excited about a fairly trivial finding, not of the awesome controlling power of Marxism. | |||
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" Which is clearly nonsense. Corbyn lost the last election to a terrible PM who fought a terrible campaign. If Marxists had such power, why didn't Corbyn win? " You're not only seeing this through the lens of the UK but also through a political sphere. I extended my observations to the West in general and to many of her establishments. Marxism on the continent and here is at play in the corridors of power, whether Corbyn or one of those fake Tories hold parliament has no relevance to me. Mass immigration, affirmative action, racism, critical theory and all other sundry from the Frankfurt School are designed to attack the western patriarchy, not China, not Africa. Just the West. If you read Marx, it's quite evident. I'm no fan of capitalism myself, by the way. | |||
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" Cheddar Man is an example of the media getting over excited about a fairly trivial finding, not of the awesome controlling power of Marxism." I disagree, mate. It was politicized for this very reason. Go back in the posts or comments sections of other debates about this and you'll see it's being used a leverage to redefine ethnic make-ups to keep in line with the societal changes taking place. I'm not stating you're doing that but I'm not going to deny it's not happening. | |||
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"I wonder how many here realise race is a human construct. "Here's a prime example of the Cheddar Man "findings" being used as political leverage by way of critical theory. There's many more. | |||
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"Spin it out how you want, chap. The UCL supposèd findings are now debunked, even by their own geneticists. To be honest they've misrepresented and have been misrepresented from the get-go pertaining to this new cheddar man theory. It's out there now for all to see. Good. Fine. Debunked by whom? I am perfectly willing to believe you. Point me to the paper and the research not a headline. No, don't believe me, old boy. Use your initiative and take a look for yourself. Or better still point me to the paper that proves the theory, afterall I can apply Hitchens' Razor as well." I hear that all the time in this forum, just before the bluster or the silence. You made an assertion and used some "clever" words. If it has been debunked it would be an easy matter for you to back that up. Please feel free. If you are unable to, then I think you know exactly how impressive you sound | |||
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"No, people voted for Brexit and Trump, the establishment have other plans. Brexit going through is about as viable and legit as an Armani suit from Soho Market. As for Trump, the shit he gets from the 'establishment' is unprecedented in US history. Think back to Obama, even other republican presidents, there's never been such an unattainable presidential position like this. So yeah, the ballot might still reflect normality but the establishment and their sheeple have no intention of letting that normality manifest. In a few more years as more like me die off, the ballot will be yours. Untill the next strong traditional group come along to extinguish this liberal quasi-marxist drivel that now reigns in the west. I have a feeling it'll be an ultra-conservative group from the East backed by a strong religion that'll put an end to western nihilism. You do know that you didn't actually say anything here don't you? All I can interpret is that you want a "strong" king to tell people what to do and most importantly separate "races" and religions. I get the impression that you might like it to be Putin with his top off. If you can state what you actually mean and want a little more clearly that would be helpful
That's a lot of guess work on your behalf, fella. Perhaps you should follow the posts a bit more closely. I'm ok to discuss absolute monarchism v absolute democracy, as I think the very fact terms of office are at play in the latter might have a detrimental effect on a given country's long-term strategic goals. But all this is by-the-by. My point, if you bother to read from the first post, pertains to academia and media and its treatment of the current Cheddar Man Theory (now debunked)."Of course it was guesswork. I said as much. That's all that's apparent from your entire thread. Now you provide many more words to hide a lack content. Rather than continuing to repeat that the research has been "debunked" how about explaining how and by whom? Repetition is not fact. However, as everything is a conspiracy, everything that you disagree with Will be part of that conspiracy, which is convenient. Naturally anything that underlines your position will be clear fact
You seem unable to make your point simply without being supercilious and trying to hide behind vocabulary. In my experience, that sort of behaviour is all about ego.
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" Now you provide many more words to hide a lack content. Rather than continuing to repeat that the research has been "debunked" how about explaining how and by whom? Repetition is not fact. However, as everything is a conspiracy, everything that you disagree with Will be part of that conspiracy, which is convenient. Naturally anything that underlines your position will be clear fact
You seem unable to make your point simply without being supercilious and trying to hide behind vocabulary. In my experience, that sort of behaviour is all about ego.
"You make many assumptions based on what exactly? My susceptibility to conspiracy (in your opinion)? What conspiracy? Is the New Scientist, now also casting doubt over the findings, in on my conspiracy? Is one of the very geneticists from UCL in on my conspiracy too? Quote: "the conclusion is less certain, and according to others we are not even close to knowing the skin colour of any ancient human." What do you want from me, an in-depth review of the paper making the claims, even though the burden of proof lies with the claim itself? Here's one of the many videos on the Cheddar Man Claims being debunked: https://youtu.be/O38yK1eZx80 feel free to look for others. Regarding all the other crap you assume of me, I've no response other than to say either you want to debate about marxism, absolute monarchy, Freudian drivel, etc or you don't. I'm more than happy to discuss postmodernism with you, but if all you're going to do is corner me into the bizarre conspiracy corner then there's no point. My alluding to some of the above was in direct reference to another poster. | |||
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" Now you provide many more words to hide a lack content. Rather than continuing to repeat that the research has been "debunked" how about explaining how and by whom? Repetition is not fact. However, as everything is a conspiracy, everything that you disagree with Will be part of that conspiracy, which is convenient. Naturally anything that underlines your position will be clear fact
You seem unable to make your point simply without being supercilious and trying to hide behind vocabulary. In my experience, that sort of behaviour is all about ego.
You make many assumptions based on what exactly? My susceptibility to conspiracy (in your opinion)? What conspiracy? Is the New Scientist, now also casting doubt over the findings, in on my conspiracy? Is one of the very geneticists from UCL in on my conspiracy too?
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What do you want from me, an in-depth review of the paper making the claims, even though the burden of proof lies with the claim itself?
Here's one of the many videos on the Cheddar Man Claims being debunked: https://youtu.be/O38yK1eZx80 feel free to look for others.
Regarding all the other crap you assume of me, I've no response other than to say either you want to debate about marxism, absolute monarchy, Freudian drivel, etc or you don't. I'm more than happy to discuss postmodernism with you, but if all you're going to do is corner me into the bizarre conspiracy corner then there's no point. My alluding to some of the above was in direct reference to another poster.
"Seriously? This is your source? A computer scientist who's blogspot says: "I have a lot to say about Philosophy, Epistemology and the philosophy of science, although my academic qualifications and professional career have been in the field of computer science. Recently I have been concerned about the rise of cultural Marxism, so have decided to start a you tube channel." It was a TV program with a lot of coverage in the general press. The press exaggerated the findings, because guess what, that a what the press does. The TV programme also emphasised one end of the spectrum of the possibilities because, guess what, it's a TV programme. You are arguing that his eyes may actually have been green and his skin brown instead of dark brown. It wasn't pushing an agenda. It was pushing clicks, circulation and viewing figures. I've not tried to use any pseudo-scientific phrases at all. That's your party trick. I'm just calling you out on trying to intellectually bully people whilst actually pedalling a conspiracy theory no more coherent than any other even though you loudly proclaim otherwise. | |||
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" Now you provide many more words to hide a lack content. Rather than continuing to repeat that the research has been "debunked" how about explaining how and by whom? Repetition is not fact. However, as everything is a conspiracy, everything that you disagree with Will be part of that conspiracy, which is convenient. Naturally anything that underlines your position will be clear fact
You seem unable to make your point simply without being supercilious and trying to hide behind vocabulary. In my experience, that sort of behaviour is all about ego.
You make many assumptions based on what exactly? My susceptibility to conspiracy (in your opinion)? What conspiracy? Is the New Scientist, now also casting doubt over the findings, in on my conspiracy? Is one of the very geneticists from UCL in on my conspiracy too?
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What do you want from me, an in-depth review of the paper making the claims, even though the burden of proof lies with the claim itself?
Here's one of the many videos on the Cheddar Man Claims being debunked: https://youtu.be/O38yK1eZx80 feel free to look for others.
Regarding all the other crap you assume of me, I've no response other than to say either you want to debate about marxism, absolute monarchy, Freudian drivel, etc or you don't. I'm more than happy to discuss postmodernism with you, but if all you're going to do is corner me into the bizarre conspiracy corner then there's no point. My alluding to some of the above was in direct reference to another poster.
Seriously? This is your source? A computer scientist who's blogspot says:
"I have a lot to say about Philosophy, Epistemology and the philosophy of science, although my academic qualifications and professional career have been in the field of computer science. Recently I have been concerned about the rise of cultural Marxism, so have decided to start a you tube channel."
It was a TV program with a lot of coverage in the general press. The press exaggerated the findings, because guess what, that a what the press does. The TV programme also emphasised one end of the spectrum of the possibilities because, guess what, it's a TV programme. You are arguing that his eyes may actually have been green and his skin brown instead of dark brown.
It wasn't pushing an agenda. It was pushing clicks, circulation and viewing figures.
I've not tried to use any pseudo-scientific phrases at all. That's your party trick.
I'm just calling you out on trying to intellectually bully people whilst actually pedalling a conspiracy theory no more coherent than any other even though you loudly proclaim otherwise."Stop lying. I gave you the New Scientist and a direct quote from a geneticist from UCL working on Cheddar Man. All you addressed was one of the many sources I threw at you by way of youtube. There's many more out there as well. Do you contest what he says in the video or something or are you happy to keep being merely shocked in a pretend manner? State your claim to back up you final paragraph pertaining to my 'conspiracy theorizing' else stop replying to me. You gave nothing so far. | |||
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" Yep, and surpise, surprise, Kalergi is one of the founding fathers of the EU no less. Although I suspect it wasn't a plan as such, it was merely in keeping with his school of thought regarding western nationalism. Not a conspiracy theory at all then
The internet really has given you guys a lifeline. If it wasn't for this you wouldn't be able to find each other to reproduce.
As you pointed out, you are dying out. It's not a conspiracy, it's because your beliefs and behaviours are so unattractive and counter to human progress and evolution "I'm sorry to trigger you but Kalergi was indeed a founding father. What is it you're accusing me of here? Instead of making silly statements address what you think is the conspiracy I make pertaining to Kalergi? Again, you give nothing but accuse me of conspiracy because of what? Kalergi's writings on western nationalism? Come on, jeez. | |||
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" Now you provide many more words to hide a lack content. Rather than continuing to repeat that the research has been "debunked" how about explaining how and by whom? Repetition is not fact. However, as everything is a conspiracy, everything that you disagree with Will be part of that conspiracy, which is convenient. Naturally anything that underlines your position will be clear fact
You seem unable to make your point simply without being supercilious and trying to hide behind vocabulary. In my experience, that sort of behaviour is all about ego.
You make many assumptions based on what exactly? My susceptibility to conspiracy (in your opinion)? What conspiracy? Is the New Scientist, now also casting doubt over the findings, in on my conspiracy? Is one of the very geneticists from UCL in on my conspiracy too?
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"the conclusion is less certain, and according to others we are not even close to knowing the skin colour of any ancient human."
What do you want from me, an in-depth review of the paper making the claims, even though the burden of proof lies with the claim itself?
Here's one of the many videos on the Cheddar Man Claims being debunked: https://youtu.be/O38yK1eZx80 feel free to look for others.
Regarding all the other crap you assume of me, I've no response other than to say either you want to debate about marxism, absolute monarchy, Freudian drivel, etc or you don't. I'm more than happy to discuss postmodernism with you, but if all you're going to do is corner me into the bizarre conspiracy corner then there's no point. My alluding to some of the above was in direct reference to another poster.
Seriously? This is your source? A computer scientist who's blogspot says:
"I have a lot to say about Philosophy, Epistemology and the philosophy of science, although my academic qualifications and professional career have been in the field of computer science. Recently I have been concerned about the rise of cultural Marxism, so have decided to start a you tube channel."
It was a TV program with a lot of coverage in the general press. The press exaggerated the findings, because guess what, that a what the press does. The TV programme also emphasised one end of the spectrum of the possibilities because, guess what, it's a TV programme. You are arguing that his eyes may actually have been green and his skin brown instead of dark brown.
It wasn't pushing an agenda. It was pushing clicks, circulation and viewing figures.
I've not tried to use any pseudo-scientific phrases at all. That's your party trick.
I'm just calling you out on trying to intellectually bully people whilst actually pedalling a conspiracy theory no more coherent than any other even though you loudly proclaim otherwise.
Stop lying. I gave you the New Scientist and a direct quote from a geneticist from UCL working on Cheddar Man. All you addressed was one of the many sources I threw at you by way of youtube. There's many more out there as well. Do you contest what he says in the video or something or are you happy to keep being merely shocked in a pretend manner?
State your claim to back up you final paragraph pertaining to my 'conspiracy theorizing' else stop replying to me. You gave nothing so far."No. I'm not lying. This is the general standard of the debunking. I can see a New Scientist headline about it not being certain about skin or eye colour. The rest is behind the pay wall. Nobody has said that it is certain. It would appear that they are simply adding some caution to the conclusions. Not debunking as far as I can see. Conspiracy theories are very alive and well in your head considering the website that you linked to. I will respond to you because I'm not willing to allow your assertions to go uncontested as you would prefer. | |||
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" Yep, and surpise, surprise, Kalergi is one of the founding fathers of the EU no less. Although I suspect it wasn't a plan as such, it was merely in keeping with his school of thought regarding western nationalism. Not a conspiracy theory at all then
The internet really has given you guys a lifeline. If it wasn't for this you wouldn't be able to find each other to reproduce.
As you pointed out, you are dying out. It's not a conspiracy, it's because your beliefs and behaviours are so unattractive and counter to human progress and evolution
I'm sorry to trigger you but Kalergi was indeed a founding father. What is it you're accusing me of here? Instead of making silly statements address what you think is the conspiracy I make pertaining to Kalergi?
Again, you give nothing but accuse me of conspiracy because of what? Kalergi's writings on western nationalism?
Come on, jeez."Just carried out some brief reading about Kalegri. This quote from his interesting: "The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals." What a bastard. It's as if he didn't think it made any difference what skin colour you have or what your background is. He didn't even hate the Jews it seems. As conspiracies go, I'll roll with this one. | |||
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" Just carried out some brief reading about Kalegri. This quote from his interesting: "The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals." What a bastard. It's as if he didn't think it made any difference what skin colour you have or what your background is. He didn't even hate the Jews it seems. As conspiracies go, I'll roll with this one. "Err...and what? I repeat, state your claim of my indulgening in conspiracy. What exactly have I said of Kalergi that qualifies as conspiracy? Find it in my posts and address it. I've no idea where you're going with this, do you? | |||
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" Again, you haven't addressed the issues raised in the video, you've merely addressed the person's political persuasion making the video. And yet you accuse me of making groundless claims pertaining to the UCL's own claims that have been misrepresented in the paper? Laughable really." He's presenting an unqualified opinion, which is lovely. All that it actually amounts to, as I've already stated, is that the documentary and the press reaction were sensationalised and presented a slightly exaggerated version of the most likely scenario
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" Just carried out some brief reading about Kalegri. This quote from his interesting: "The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals." What a bastard. It's as if he didn't think it made any difference what skin colour you have or what your background is. He didn't even hate the Jews it seems. As conspiracies go, I'll roll with this one.
Err...and what? I repeat, state your claim of my indulgening in conspiracy. What exactly have I said of Kalergi that qualifies as conspiracy? Find it in my posts and address it. I've no idea where you're going with this, do you?"It appears that you have been misunderstood and misrepresented. Why don't you simplify your complex argument so that I can understand what you mean? What important message have you been communicating over all of these posts | |||
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"I've had to retract an accusation of ad hominem to another poster on here, it's not hard to do. Just pick the humble pie up and take a bite" I would be delighted to apologise for something. Tell me what you're actually trying to communicate and I will tell you how right you are about it | |||
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"The trouble is nowadays media, arts and even academia will use any underhanded opportunity to legitimize and add weight to the current political and cultural status quo, especially surrounding the anti-nationalism narrative that currently saturates the West. And anyone who tries to point out the obvious is deemed a white racist nazi and so on. I find it highly amusing that the Daily Mail receives so much criticism for being too conservative, traditional and xenophobic when in theory there is no right paradigm in the Press anymore as the Overton Window has moved so far left that even centrist prints, like the above, are now lumped into the far-right category. Cheddar Man is just one of many attacks on western nationalism from modernity. Some attacks will sneak through and become legitimized while others will fall on their sword. Luckily this one fell. Good, I'm glad of it. No, people voted for Brexit and Trump, the establishment have other plans. Brexit going through is about as viable and legit as an Armani suit from Soho Market. As for Trump, the shit he gets from the 'establishment' is unprecedented in US history. Think back to Obama, even other republican presidents, there's never been such an unattainable presidential position like this. So yeah, the ballot might still reflect normality but the establishment and their sheeple have no intention of letting that normality manifest. In a few more years as more like me die off, the ballot will be yours. Untill the next strong traditional group come along to extinguish this liberal quasi-marxist drivel that now reigns in the west. I have a feeling it'll be an ultra-conservative group from the East backed by a strong religion that'll put an end to western nihilism. You're not only seeing this through the lens of the UK but also through a political sphere. I extended my observations to the West in general and to many of her establishments. Marxism on the continent and here is at play in the corridors of power, whether Corbyn or one of those fake Tories hold parliament has no relevance to me. Mass immigration, affirmative action, racism, critical theory and all other sundry from the Frankfurt School are designed to attack the western patriarchy, not China, not Africa. Just the West. If you read Marx, it's quite evident. I'm no fan of capitalism myself, by the way. " What you originally wrote about the skin tone not necessarily being so dark was reasonable. Everything since then? Not so much. Nothing about the Cheddar man findings have been "debunked". They have, at most, been moderated relative to the press sensationalism. So? Perhaps you should have a look over your posts and links (above) and think about why you wrote them. You seem unclear. Your claim that there is no conspiracy is an interesting one considering that you've written about a conspiracy. | |||
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"So Kalergi? Can you expand on what you were trying to convey or not? Still waiting." Difficult to put UN context since the links to that unpleasant website have been removed
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"I do enjoy how you're constructing my posts in your quotes but leaving out the responses of the other poster. It's very underhanded as it removes context, lad. Good show. " The context is not wholly required considering that they are self contained theories. The context is available. I am, however, now clear about what you have said that none of this was making any sort of point - my little friend. Splendid
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"So Kalergi? Can you expand on what you were trying to convey or not? Still waiting. Difficult to put UN context since the links to that unpleasant website have been removed
Does he seem like an unpleasant man with unpleasant views? By extension does that make the foundation behind the EU a negative one?"1. Which unpleasant website are you referring to? It's funny but I've never deemed far left/right websites (if this is indeed what it was) as unpleasant. A strange word to use as it implies an emotional subjectivity from the reader. I enjoy reading differing views myself, I suppose I'm lucky there. 2. Good question (paragraph II). Well again, I wouldn't call his views unpleasant but no, I'm not a proponent of practical idealism. Regarding negative connotations pertaining to the founding of the EU. I'd have to say yes, it does bear significance but I'm a nationalist and believe all groups have the right to define themselves along cultural and ethnical lines, should they wish to do so. By the way there's many on opposing ends of the political paradigm who agree and disagree on the EU. Case in point, the right wing ethno-nationalist Richard Spencer, who is a firm supporter of the EU and federalism. | |||
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"So Kalergi? Can you expand on what you were trying to convey or not? Still waiting. Difficult to put UN context since the links to that unpleasant website have been removed
Does he seem like an unpleasant man with unpleasant views? By extension does that make the foundation behind the EU a negative one?
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Which unpleasant website are you referring to? It's funny but I've never deemed far left/right websites (if this is indeed what it was) as unpleasant. A strange word to use as it implies an emotional subjectivity from the reader. I enjoy reading differing views myself, I suppose I'm lucky there.
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Good question (paragraph II). Well again, I wouldn't call his views unpleasant but no, I'm not a proponent of practical idealism. Regarding negative connotations pertaining to the founding of the EU. I'd have to say yes, it does bear significance but I'm a nationalist and believe all groups have the right to define themselves along cultural and ethnical lines, should they wish to do so.
By the way there's many on opposing ends of the political paradigm who agree and disagree on the EU. Case in point, the right wing ethno-nationalist Richard Spencer, who is a firm supporter of the EU and federalism.
"The one to which the links and posts have been, quite properly, deleted. Do I read contradictory points of view? Yes. Do I form an opinion on them? Yes. That's also the point of reading widely. To form am opinion Do I have an emotional response? Yes. That's what makes someone human. Well done you on not doing either. People also have the right to not define themselves on ethnic or cultural lines. There are opposing opinions on everything. Someone nasty being on the same as you does not make you wrong by association. Lots of them cheering should give you pause though... | |||
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"Aw, 'nasty' now you're really going for it! Haha. "People also have the right to not define themselves on ethnic or cultural lines." I never said this wasn't the case. On the whole I find your above response quite bizarre. There's no discussion to had here and I'm bored of answering your questions. Go and find a safe space to have a lie down and detrigger yourself, sir." Of course. You are so very rational
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"Aw, 'nasty' now you're really going for it! Haha. "People also have the right to not define themselves on ethnic or cultural lines." I never said this wasn't the case. On the whole I find your above response quite bizarre. There's no discussion to had here and I'm bored of answering your questions. Go and find a safe space to have a lie down and detrigger yourself, sir. Of course. You are so very rational
Still no idea if you were making any point about anything at all. You claim not so I'm sure that we can leave it at that "The trouble is it's quite evident to anyone other than yourself and your cronies that I did indeed answer your questions, and in earnest too. Remember around an hour ago you asked me a question on the EU? Did I not answer directly? Or is it just another conspiracy or your ability to not read a post properly? Good luck in life and stay away from what you perceive as 'nasty' ideas. | |||
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"they have done analysis the oldest skeleton found in the uk.... and found something shocking.... instead of the common assumption which was that he was fair skinned and brown eyed, instead he was found to be very darked skinned (black) and blue eyed..... so.... no we know...... can i say to people "get out of MY country!!!!" "Cheddar Man dare not adventure North to the land of the Scot, the temperature keeps the savages white | |||
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"Lastly, I'm not sure who posted what but I will add that if we start removing and eradicating 'nasty' ideas then where does this end? Some people find collectivism offensive, others nationalism, capitalism or even religion. It's all subjective. Following that logic shall we remove it all? I tell you what, why don't we let you set the bar, after all your opinions and ideas are far more ethnically superior to mine or anyone elses. Or we could just let ideas be tackled in the Theatre of Ideas by other ideas. Somehow I don't think you're open to that form of discourse judging by your approval of the removal of I know not what." Debate away. In the open. If your opinion is that people from different backgrounds and cultures and ethnicities shouldn't intermarry and have children with a mixed background say so. If it is not say what you do mean. Don't link to a rabbit hole leading to another internet echo chamber. What do you want to say old chum other than provide your opinion on me? | |||
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"they have done analysis the oldest skeleton found in the uk.... and found something shocking.... instead of the common assumption which was that he was fair skinned and brown eyed, instead he was found to be very darked skinned (black) and blue eyed..... so.... no we know...... can i say to people "get out of MY country!!!!"
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"they have done analysis the oldest skeleton found in the uk.... and found something shocking.... instead of the common assumption which was that he was fair skinned and brown eyed, instead he was found to be very darked skinned (black) and blue eyed..... so.... no we know...... can i say to people "get out of MY country!!!!"
Cheddar Man dare not adventure North to the land of the Scot, the temperature keeps the savages white"The temperature, or rather the lack of adequate sunshine, made the savages white
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" If your opinion is that people from different backgrounds and cultures and ethnicities shouldn't intermarry and have children with a mixed background say so. If it is not say what you do mean. " People are free to marry whoever they like. I've never once alluding to the above. Please explain how my stating in a previous post (below) has any bearing on your latest post (above). Now if you don't know what I mean by the below quote then there's not much I can do to help you. Previous post quotation. "but I'm a nationalist and believe all groups have the right to define themselves along cultural and ethnical lines, should they wish to do so." End quote. I even agreed with you-earlier that people also have the right to not define themselves on ethnic or cultural lines. Do you have a bad memory? | |||
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" If your opinion is that people from different backgrounds and cultures and ethnicities shouldn't intermarry and have children with a mixed background say so. If it is not say what you do mean. People are free to marry whoever they like. I've never once alluding to the above. Please explain how my stating in a previous post (below) has any bearing on your latest post (above). Now if you don't know what I mean by the below quote then there's not much I can do to help you. Previous post quotation. "but I'm a nationalist and believe all groups have the right to define themselves along cultural and ethnical lines, should they wish to do so." End quote. I even agreed with you-earlier that people also have the right to not define themselves on ethnic or cultural lines. Do you have a bad memory?" Excellent. Delighted to hear it! Now I know. Then what do you want to say other than "win" an argument? | |||
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"they have done analysis the oldest skeleton found in the uk.... and found something shocking.... instead of the common assumption which was that he was fair skinned and brown eyed, instead he was found to be very darked skinned (black) and blue eyed..... so.... no we know...... can i say to people "get out of MY country!!!!"
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The temperature, or rather the lack of adequate sunshine, made the savages white
I believe that there are currently many people with darker skin tones living in Scotland. That's a good thing, right? "indeed, I saw one in my home town of Kinross last week filling up with fuel I also believe there are a family or two families of them in Perth its good to see | |||
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"So Kalergi? Can you expand on what you were trying to convey or not? Still waiting. Difficult to put UN context since the links to that unpleasant website have been removed
Does he seem like an unpleasant man with unpleasant views? By extension does that make the foundation behind the EU a negative one?
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Which unpleasant website are you referring to? It's funny but I've never deemed far left/right websites (if this is indeed what it was) as unpleasant. A strange word to use as it implies an emotional subjectivity from the reader. I enjoy reading differing views myself, I suppose I'm lucky there.
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Good question (paragraph II). Well again, I wouldn't call his views unpleasant but no, I'm not a proponent of practical idealism. Regarding negative connotations pertaining to the founding of the EU. I'd have to say yes, it does bear significance but I'm a nationalist and believe all groups have the right to define themselves along cultural and ethnical lines, should they wish to do so.
By the way there's many on opposing ends of the political paradigm who agree and disagree on the EU. Case in point, the right wing ethno-nationalist Richard Spencer, who is a firm supporter of the EU and federalism.
The one to which the links and posts have been, quite properly, deleted.
Do I read contradictory points of view? Yes.
Do I form an opinion on them? Yes. That's also the point of reading widely. To form am opinion
Do I have an emotional response? Yes. That's what makes someone human.
Well done you on not doing either.
People also have the right to not define themselves on ethnic or cultural lines.
There are opposing opinions on everything. Someone nasty being on the same as you does not make you wrong by association. Lots of them cheering should give you pause though..."Of course the links to the neo Nazis website posted by our old chum got removed due to their horrific anti-Semitic views and white supremacist's opinions .Not really surprised our friend then denies posting such filth.I think we both know what was posted.Snowflakes love to troll . The only acceptable link was the new scientist one behind a pay wall so nobody including the poster read this alleged debunking.
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"Are you having an episode? What on earth are you babbling on about? Stick to plagiarizing, mate. At least that way you make more sense. " There you are old bean..Now tell me about the Jewish holocaust being fake news.You know that link you posted then deleted .In times gone by holocaust deniers had backbone...Time to man up.. | |||
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"Come now don't be shy.Jeff rense is the man you directed us to look at and his website.You know the white supremacist poster boy. Do you celebrate Hitler's birthday also old bean.. "You know, you're not just a plagerizer who changes the odd word to make it pass as your own, are you? You're also sneakbag. Don't put your shallow pre-misconceptions onto me. | |||
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"Come now don't be shy.Jeff rense is the man you directed us to look at and his website.You know the white supremacist poster boy. Do you celebrate Hitler's birthday also old bean..
You know, you're not just a plagerizer who changes the odd word to make it pass as your own, are you? You're also sneakbag.
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