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"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more." . Two vehicles reportedly engaged in self-drive modes - a Tesla Model S and a General Motors Chevy Bolt - have been involved in separate road accidents in California. . Culver City's fire service said the Tesla had "ploughed into the rear" of one of its fire engines parked at the scene of an accident on Monday. . The car's owner subsequently claimed it had been in Autopilot mode at the time. The GM incident resulted in a collision with a motorbike in San Francisco. . The rider says the car - which was using GM's Cruise Automation technology - caused him serious injury and is now suing GM, according to local newspaper The Mercury News. . Car-makers suggest self-drive technologies should make the roads safer, but at present California requires a driver to remain behind the wheel so they can retake control at short notice . The US National Transportation Board (NTSB) has said it will investigate the Tesla crash. According to a tweet by the Culver City Firefighters, the Model S was travelling at 65mph (105km/h) when the impact occurred . for now the car company has limited itself to saying that "Autopilot is intended for use only with a fully attentive driver" and that it has instructed drivers to keep their hands on the steering wheel while employing it | |||
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more. . Two vehicles reportedly engaged in self-drive modes - a Tesla Model S and a General Motors Chevy Bolt - have been involved in separate road accidents in California. . Culver City's fire service said the Tesla had "ploughed into the rear" of one of its fire engines parked at the scene of an accident on Monday. . The car's owner subsequently claimed it had been in Autopilot mode at the time. The GM incident resulted in a collision with a motorbike in San Francisco. . The rider says the car - which was using GM's Cruise Automation technology - caused him serious injury and is now suing GM, according to local newspaper The Mercury News. . Car-makers suggest self-drive technologies should make the roads safer, but at present California requires a driver to remain behind the wheel so they can retake control at short notice . The US National Transportation Board (NTSB) has said it will investigate the Tesla crash. According to a tweet by the Culver City Firefighters, the Model S was travelling at 65mph (105km/h) when the impact occurred . for now the car company has limited itself to saying that "Autopilot is intended for use only with a fully attentive driver" and that it has instructed drivers to keep their hands on the steering wheel while employing it " Great, that's for that news report. 
I don't know why you posted that article at the bottom of mine as it was unrelated.
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"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more. . Two vehicles reportedly engaged in self-drive modes - a Tesla Model S and a General Motors Chevy Bolt - have been involved in separate road accidents in California. . Culver City's fire service said the Tesla had "ploughed into the rear" of one of its fire engines parked at the scene of an accident on Monday. . The car's owner subsequently claimed it had been in Autopilot mode at the time. The GM incident resulted in a collision with a motorbike in San Francisco. . The rider says the car - which was using GM's Cruise Automation technology - caused him serious injury and is now suing GM, according to local newspaper The Mercury News. . Car-makers suggest self-drive technologies should make the roads safer, but at present California requires a driver to remain behind the wheel so they can retake control at short notice . The US National Transportation Board (NTSB) has said it will investigate the Tesla crash. According to a tweet by the Culver City Firefighters, the Model S was travelling at 65mph (105km/h) when the impact occurred . for now the car company has limited itself to saying that "Autopilot is intended for use only with a fully attentive driver" and that it has instructed drivers to keep their hands on the steering wheel while employing it Great, that's for that news report.
I don't know why you posted that article at the bottom of mine as it was unrelated.
"YOU SAID: "By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place" I was giving you reasons why this will not be anytime soon.  | |||
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"teething problems with all new things will be ironed out.. twas ever thus.." Indeed... in the meantime how many non-self-driving cars have been crashed by their humans? Probably an order of magnitude more. But humans find it very hard to do risk assessment of things like this. Will electric cars suit everyone? No, of course not. You are always going to have your need-a-hilux-to-go-shooting-things bunch and other groups. But just look at the number of single occupant vehicles doing a less-than-10-mile commute to work and you can see an immediate target market there. Until the fossil fuel industry got good at lobbying, electric vehicles were actually the norm. Although, now we do have a problem with distribution. On average we could only have about 3 charging stations per street based on the current power distribution we have. But there is a whole big sea of change happening in the energy industry at the moment. No longer is it just big suppliers distributing power, we have many more micro-generation opportunities. And with battery storage tech in homes becoming more available, the model is all changing significantly. -Matt | |||
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more. . Two vehicles reportedly engaged in self-drive modes - a Tesla Model S and a General Motors Chevy Bolt - have been involved in separate road accidents in California. . Culver City's fire service said the Tesla had "ploughed into the rear" of one of its fire engines parked at the scene of an accident on Monday. . The car's owner subsequently claimed it had been in Autopilot mode at the time. The GM incident resulted in a collision with a motorbike in San Francisco. . The rider says the car - which was using GM's Cruise Automation technology - caused him serious injury and is now suing GM, according to local newspaper The Mercury News. . Car-makers suggest self-drive technologies should make the roads safer, but at present California requires a driver to remain behind the wheel so they can retake control at short notice . The US National Transportation Board (NTSB) has said it will investigate the Tesla crash. According to a tweet by the Culver City Firefighters, the Model S was travelling at 65mph (105km/h) when the impact occurred . for now the car company has limited itself to saying that "Autopilot is intended for use only with a fully attentive driver" and that it has instructed drivers to keep their hands on the steering wheel while employing it Great, that's for that news report.
I don't know why you posted that article at the bottom of mine as it was unrelated.
YOU SAID:
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place"
I was giving you reasons why this will not be anytime soon."Yes, did you not understand what I said? I didn't say it was here yet, did I? Then you post a news report about what's happening now. As it stands, the technology today is vastly better than humans at driving. How many times better before we allow them to take over? Well the question is how many more accidents and deaths caused by human drivers are you willing to accept. As the FT reported last year, there are 37,000 fatalities caused by human drivers each year, zero caused by autonomous vehicles. | |||
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more. . Two vehicles reportedly engaged in self-drive modes - a Tesla Model S and a General Motors Chevy Bolt - have been involved in separate road accidents in California. . Culver City's fire service said the Tesla had "ploughed into the rear" of one of its fire engines parked at the scene of an accident on Monday. . The car's owner subsequently claimed it had been in Autopilot mode at the time. The GM incident resulted in a collision with a motorbike in San Francisco. . The rider says the car - which was using GM's Cruise Automation technology - caused him serious injury and is now suing GM, according to local newspaper The Mercury News. . Car-makers suggest self-drive technologies should make the roads safer, but at present California requires a driver to remain behind the wheel so they can retake control at short notice . The US National Transportation Board (NTSB) has said it will investigate the Tesla crash. According to a tweet by the Culver City Firefighters, the Model S was travelling at 65mph (105km/h) when the impact occurred . for now the car company has limited itself to saying that "Autopilot is intended for use only with a fully attentive driver" and that it has instructed drivers to keep their hands on the steering wheel while employing it Great, that's for that news report.
I don't know why you posted that article at the bottom of mine as it was unrelated.
YOU SAID:
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place"
I was giving you reasons why this will not be anytime soon.
Yes, did you not understand what I said? I didn't say it was here yet, did I? Then you post a news report about what's happening now. As it stands, the technology today is vastly better than humans at driving. How many times better before we allow them to take over? Well the question is how many more accidents and deaths caused by human drivers are you willing to accept.
As the FT reported last year, there are 37,000 fatalities caused by human drivers each year, zero caused by autonomous vehicles. "Not really a fair comparison right now though compared to cars on the road driven by humans and cars on the road autonomous. Having said that the tech is moving apace and fully autonomous cars could be on the road 2025 | |||
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more. . Two vehicles reportedly engaged in self-drive modes - a Tesla Model S and a General Motors Chevy Bolt - have been involved in separate road accidents in California. . Culver City's fire service said the Tesla had "ploughed into the rear" of one of its fire engines parked at the scene of an accident on Monday. . The car's owner subsequently claimed it had been in Autopilot mode at the time. The GM incident resulted in a collision with a motorbike in San Francisco. . The rider says the car - which was using GM's Cruise Automation technology - caused him serious injury and is now suing GM, according to local newspaper The Mercury News. . Car-makers suggest self-drive technologies should make the roads safer, but at present California requires a driver to remain behind the wheel so they can retake control at short notice . The US National Transportation Board (NTSB) has said it will investigate the Tesla crash. According to a tweet by the Culver City Firefighters, the Model S was travelling at 65mph (105km/h) when the impact occurred . for now the car company has limited itself to saying that "Autopilot is intended for use only with a fully attentive driver" and that it has instructed drivers to keep their hands on the steering wheel while employing it Great, that's for that news report.
I don't know why you posted that article at the bottom of mine as it was unrelated.
YOU SAID:
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place"
I was giving you reasons why this will not be anytime soon.
Yes, did you not understand what I said? I didn't say it was here yet, did I? Then you post a news report about what's happening now. As it stands, the technology today is vastly better than humans at driving. How many times better before we allow them to take over? Well the question is how many more accidents and deaths caused by human drivers are you willing to accept.
As the FT reported last year, there are 37,000 fatalities caused by human drivers each year, zero caused by autonomous vehicles. "in the last week I have driven 4 people to work in heavy snow, 3 to Queen Margaret hospital Dunfermline, one to PRI Perth, whole of roads fully covered in around 4 - 6 inches of snow, no road markings and dual carriageways down to single lane of which was not fully on inside lane I was able to get through and happy to drive them to work and return for them as I have a 4x4 and I am retired will the country shut down fully when we have your "self driving cars" how will they know where the road markings are? | |||
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"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more. . Two vehicles reportedly engaged in self-drive modes - a Tesla Model S and a General Motors Chevy Bolt - have been involved in separate road accidents in California. . Culver City's fire service said the Tesla had "ploughed into the rear" of one of its fire engines parked at the scene of an accident on Monday. . The car's owner subsequently claimed it had been in Autopilot mode at the time. The GM incident resulted in a collision with a motorbike in San Francisco. . The rider says the car - which was using GM's Cruise Automation technology - caused him serious injury and is now suing GM, according to local newspaper The Mercury News. . Car-makers suggest self-drive technologies should make the roads safer, but at present California requires a driver to remain behind the wheel so they can retake control at short notice . The US National Transportation Board (NTSB) has said it will investigate the Tesla crash. According to a tweet by the Culver City Firefighters, the Model S was travelling at 65mph (105km/h) when the impact occurred . for now the car company has limited itself to saying that "Autopilot is intended for use only with a fully attentive driver" and that it has instructed drivers to keep their hands on the steering wheel while employing it Great, that's for that news report.
I don't know why you posted that article at the bottom of mine as it was unrelated.
YOU SAID:
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place"
I was giving you reasons why this will not be anytime soon.
Yes, did you not understand what I said? I didn't say it was here yet, did I? Then you post a news report about what's happening now. As it stands, the technology today is vastly better than humans at driving. How many times better before we allow them to take over? Well the question is how many more accidents and deaths caused by human drivers are you willing to accept.
As the FT reported last year, there are 37,000 fatalities caused by human drivers each year, zero caused by autonomous vehicles.
in the last week I have driven 4 people to work in heavy snow, 3 to Queen Margaret hospital Dunfermline, one to PRI Perth, whole of roads fully covered in around 4 - 6 inches of snow, no road markings and dual carriageways down to single lane of which was not fully on inside lane
I was able to get through and happy to drive them to work and return for them as I have a 4x4 and I am retired
will the country shut down fully when we have your "self driving cars" how will they know where the road markings are?"Great, well done for you. They will do it with cameras, lidar and radar. Much more advanced than your Mk1 eyeball.  | |||
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more. . Two vehicles reportedly engaged in self-drive modes - a Tesla Model S and a General Motors Chevy Bolt - have been involved in separate road accidents in California. . Culver City's fire service said the Tesla had "ploughed into the rear" of one of its fire engines parked at the scene of an accident on Monday. . The car's owner subsequently claimed it had been in Autopilot mode at the time. The GM incident resulted in a collision with a motorbike in San Francisco. . The rider says the car - which was using GM's Cruise Automation technology - caused him serious injury and is now suing GM, according to local newspaper The Mercury News. . Car-makers suggest self-drive technologies should make the roads safer, but at present California requires a driver to remain behind the wheel so they can retake control at short notice . The US National Transportation Board (NTSB) has said it will investigate the Tesla crash. According to a tweet by the Culver City Firefighters, the Model S was travelling at 65mph (105km/h) when the impact occurred . for now the car company has limited itself to saying that "Autopilot is intended for use only with a fully attentive driver" and that it has instructed drivers to keep their hands on the steering wheel while employing it Great, that's for that news report.
I don't know why you posted that article at the bottom of mine as it was unrelated.
YOU SAID:
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place"
I was giving you reasons why this will not be anytime soon.
Yes, did you not understand what I said? I didn't say it was here yet, did I? Then you post a news report about what's happening now. As it stands, the technology today is vastly better than humans at driving. How many times better before we allow them to take over? Well the question is how many more accidents and deaths caused by human drivers are you willing to accept.
As the FT reported last year, there are 37,000 fatalities caused by human drivers each year, zero caused by autonomous vehicles.
in the last week I have driven 4 people to work in heavy snow, 3 to Queen Margaret hospital Dunfermline, one to PRI Perth, whole of roads fully covered in around 4 - 6 inches of snow, no road markings and dual carriageways down to single lane of which was not fully on inside lane
I was able to get through and happy to drive them to work and return for them as I have a 4x4 and I am retired
will the country shut down fully when we have your "self driving cars" how will they know where the road markings are?
Great, well done for you. They will do it with cameras, lidar and radar. Much more advanced than your Mk1 eyeball. "lol you have obviously never dealt with heavy drifting snow in the countryside you need to get out of your cotton wool bubble | |||
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more. . Two vehicles reportedly engaged in self-drive modes - a Tesla Model S and a General Motors Chevy Bolt - have been involved in separate road accidents in California. . Culver City's fire service said the Tesla had "ploughed into the rear" of one of its fire engines parked at the scene of an accident on Monday. . The car's owner subsequently claimed it had been in Autopilot mode at the time. The GM incident resulted in a collision with a motorbike in San Francisco. . The rider says the car - which was using GM's Cruise Automation technology - caused him serious injury and is now suing GM, according to local newspaper The Mercury News. . Car-makers suggest self-drive technologies should make the roads safer, but at present California requires a driver to remain behind the wheel so they can retake control at short notice . The US National Transportation Board (NTSB) has said it will investigate the Tesla crash. According to a tweet by the Culver City Firefighters, the Model S was travelling at 65mph (105km/h) when the impact occurred . for now the car company has limited itself to saying that "Autopilot is intended for use only with a fully attentive driver" and that it has instructed drivers to keep their hands on the steering wheel while employing it Great, that's for that news report.
I don't know why you posted that article at the bottom of mine as it was unrelated.
YOU SAID:
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place"
I was giving you reasons why this will not be anytime soon.
Yes, did you not understand what I said? I didn't say it was here yet, did I? Then you post a news report about what's happening now. As it stands, the technology today is vastly better than humans at driving. How many times better before we allow them to take over? Well the question is how many more accidents and deaths caused by human drivers are you willing to accept.
As the FT reported last year, there are 37,000 fatalities caused by human drivers each year, zero caused by autonomous vehicles.
in the last week I have driven 4 people to work in heavy snow, 3 to Queen Margaret hospital Dunfermline, one to PRI Perth, whole of roads fully covered in around 4 - 6 inches of snow, no road markings and dual carriageways down to single lane of which was not fully on inside lane
I was able to get through and happy to drive them to work and return for them as I have a 4x4 and I am retired
will the country shut down fully when we have your "self driving cars" how will they know where the road markings are?
Great, well done for you. They will do it with cameras, lidar and radar. Much more advanced than your Mk1 eyeball.
lol
you have obviously never dealt with heavy drifting snow in the countryside
you need to get out of your cotton wool bubble"You, and every other driver in the world does so with their eyes, autonomous cars do the same with cameras, as well as having additional radar and lidar. | |||
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more. . Two vehicles reportedly engaged in self-drive modes - a Tesla Model S and a General Motors Chevy Bolt - have been involved in separate road accidents in California. . Culver City's fire service said the Tesla had "ploughed into the rear" of one of its fire engines parked at the scene of an accident on Monday. . The car's owner subsequently claimed it had been in Autopilot mode at the time. The GM incident resulted in a collision with a motorbike in San Francisco. . The rider says the car - which was using GM's Cruise Automation technology - caused him serious injury and is now suing GM, according to local newspaper The Mercury News. . Car-makers suggest self-drive technologies should make the roads safer, but at present California requires a driver to remain behind the wheel so they can retake control at short notice . The US National Transportation Board (NTSB) has said it will investigate the Tesla crash. According to a tweet by the Culver City Firefighters, the Model S was travelling at 65mph (105km/h) when the impact occurred . for now the car company has limited itself to saying that "Autopilot is intended for use only with a fully attentive driver" and that it has instructed drivers to keep their hands on the steering wheel while employing it Great, that's for that news report.
I don't know why you posted that article at the bottom of mine as it was unrelated.
YOU SAID:
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place"
I was giving you reasons why this will not be anytime soon.
Yes, did you not understand what I said? I didn't say it was here yet, did I? Then you post a news report about what's happening now. As it stands, the technology today is vastly better than humans at driving. How many times better before we allow them to take over? Well the question is how many more accidents and deaths caused by human drivers are you willing to accept.
As the FT reported last year, there are 37,000 fatalities caused by human drivers each year, zero caused by autonomous vehicles.
in the last week I have driven 4 people to work in heavy snow, 3 to Queen Margaret hospital Dunfermline, one to PRI Perth, whole of roads fully covered in around 4 - 6 inches of snow, no road markings and dual carriageways down to single lane of which was not fully on inside lane
I was able to get through and happy to drive them to work and return for them as I have a 4x4 and I am retired
will the country shut down fully when we have your "self driving cars" how will they know where the road markings are?
Great, well done for you. They will do it with cameras, lidar and radar. Much more advanced than your Mk1 eyeball.
lol
you have obviously never dealt with heavy drifting snow in the countryside
you need to get out of your cotton wool bubble
You, and every other driver in the world does so with their eyes, autonomous cars do the same with cameras, as well as having additional radar and lidar."why do they crash then? and again you have no idea of heavy drifting snow do you. | |||
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more. . Two vehicles reportedly engaged in self-drive modes - a Tesla Model S and a General Motors Chevy Bolt - have been involved in separate road accidents in California. . Culver City's fire service said the Tesla had "ploughed into the rear" of one of its fire engines parked at the scene of an accident on Monday. . The car's owner subsequently claimed it had been in Autopilot mode at the time. The GM incident resulted in a collision with a motorbike in San Francisco. . The rider says the car - which was using GM's Cruise Automation technology - caused him serious injury and is now suing GM, according to local newspaper The Mercury News. . Car-makers suggest self-drive technologies should make the roads safer, but at present California requires a driver to remain behind the wheel so they can retake control at short notice . The US National Transportation Board (NTSB) has said it will investigate the Tesla crash. According to a tweet by the Culver City Firefighters, the Model S was travelling at 65mph (105km/h) when the impact occurred . for now the car company has limited itself to saying that "Autopilot is intended for use only with a fully attentive driver" and that it has instructed drivers to keep their hands on the steering wheel while employing it Great, that's for that news report.
I don't know why you posted that article at the bottom of mine as it was unrelated.
YOU SAID:
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place"
I was giving you reasons why this will not be anytime soon.
Yes, did you not understand what I said? I didn't say it was here yet, did I? Then you post a news report about what's happening now. As it stands, the technology today is vastly better than humans at driving. How many times better before we allow them to take over? Well the question is how many more accidents and deaths caused by human drivers are you willing to accept.
As the FT reported last year, there are 37,000 fatalities caused by human drivers each year, zero caused by autonomous vehicles.
in the last week I have driven 4 people to work in heavy snow, 3 to Queen Margaret hospital Dunfermline, one to PRI Perth, whole of roads fully covered in around 4 - 6 inches of snow, no road markings and dual carriageways down to single lane of which was not fully on inside lane
I was able to get through and happy to drive them to work and return for them as I have a 4x4 and I am retired
will the country shut down fully when we have your "self driving cars" how will they know where the road markings are?
Great, well done for you. They will do it with cameras, lidar and radar. Much more advanced than your Mk1 eyeball.
lol
you have obviously never dealt with heavy drifting snow in the countryside
you need to get out of your cotton wool bubble
You, and every other driver in the world does so with their eyes, autonomous cars do the same with cameras, as well as having additional radar and lidar.
why do they crash then?
and again you have no idea of heavy drifting snow do you."They crash less than humans do, this has already been pointed out to You!  | |||
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more. . Two vehicles reportedly engaged in self-drive modes - a Tesla Model S and a General Motors Chevy Bolt - have been involved in separate road accidents in California. . Culver City's fire service said the Tesla had "ploughed into the rear" of one of its fire engines parked at the scene of an accident on Monday. . The car's owner subsequently claimed it had been in Autopilot mode at the time. The GM incident resulted in a collision with a motorbike in San Francisco. . The rider says the car - which was using GM's Cruise Automation technology - caused him serious injury and is now suing GM, according to local newspaper The Mercury News. . Car-makers suggest self-drive technologies should make the roads safer, but at present California requires a driver to remain behind the wheel so they can retake control at short notice . The US National Transportation Board (NTSB) has said it will investigate the Tesla crash. According to a tweet by the Culver City Firefighters, the Model S was travelling at 65mph (105km/h) when the impact occurred . for now the car company has limited itself to saying that "Autopilot is intended for use only with a fully attentive driver" and that it has instructed drivers to keep their hands on the steering wheel while employing it Great, that's for that news report.
I don't know why you posted that article at the bottom of mine as it was unrelated.
YOU SAID:
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place"
I was giving you reasons why this will not be anytime soon.
Yes, did you not understand what I said? I didn't say it was here yet, did I? Then you post a news report about what's happening now. As it stands, the technology today is vastly better than humans at driving. How many times better before we allow them to take over? Well the question is how many more accidents and deaths caused by human drivers are you willing to accept.
As the FT reported last year, there are 37,000 fatalities caused by human drivers each year, zero caused by autonomous vehicles.
in the last week I have driven 4 people to work in heavy snow, 3 to Queen Margaret hospital Dunfermline, one to PRI Perth, whole of roads fully covered in around 4 - 6 inches of snow, no road markings and dual carriageways down to single lane of which was not fully on inside lane
I was able to get through and happy to drive them to work and return for them as I have a 4x4 and I am retired
will the country shut down fully when we have your "self driving cars" how will they know where the road markings are?
Great, well done for you. They will do it with cameras, lidar and radar. Much more advanced than your Mk1 eyeball.
lol
you have obviously never dealt with heavy drifting snow in the countryside
you need to get out of your cotton wool bubble
You, and every other driver in the world does so with their eyes, autonomous cars do the same with cameras, as well as having additional radar and lidar.
why do they crash then?
and again you have no idea of heavy drifting snow do you.
They crash less than humans do, this has already been pointed out to You! "per number on road, you are incorrect
and again what experience do you have in driving on country roads with high snow drifts?
feel free to mail me as this silly ping pong of messages gets silly. I would have mailed you but you don't accept incoming mail | |||
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more. . Two vehicles reportedly engaged in self-drive modes - a Tesla Model S and a General Motors Chevy Bolt - have been involved in separate road accidents in California. . Culver City's fire service said the Tesla had "ploughed into the rear" of one of its fire engines parked at the scene of an accident on Monday. . The car's owner subsequently claimed it had been in Autopilot mode at the time. The GM incident resulted in a collision with a motorbike in San Francisco. . The rider says the car - which was using GM's Cruise Automation technology - caused him serious injury and is now suing GM, according to local newspaper The Mercury News. . Car-makers suggest self-drive technologies should make the roads safer, but at present California requires a driver to remain behind the wheel so they can retake control at short notice . The US National Transportation Board (NTSB) has said it will investigate the Tesla crash. According to a tweet by the Culver City Firefighters, the Model S was travelling at 65mph (105km/h) when the impact occurred . for now the car company has limited itself to saying that "Autopilot is intended for use only with a fully attentive driver" and that it has instructed drivers to keep their hands on the steering wheel while employing it Great, that's for that news report.
I don't know why you posted that article at the bottom of mine as it was unrelated.
YOU SAID:
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place"
I was giving you reasons why this will not be anytime soon.
Yes, did you not understand what I said? I didn't say it was here yet, did I? Then you post a news report about what's happening now. As it stands, the technology today is vastly better than humans at driving. How many times better before we allow them to take over? Well the question is how many more accidents and deaths caused by human drivers are you willing to accept.
As the FT reported last year, there are 37,000 fatalities caused by human drivers each year, zero caused by autonomous vehicles.
in the last week I have driven 4 people to work in heavy snow, 3 to Queen Margaret hospital Dunfermline, one to PRI Perth, whole of roads fully covered in around 4 - 6 inches of snow, no road markings and dual carriageways down to single lane of which was not fully on inside lane
I was able to get through and happy to drive them to work and return for them as I have a 4x4 and I am retired
will the country shut down fully when we have your "self driving cars" how will they know where the road markings are?
Great, well done for you. They will do it with cameras, lidar and radar. Much more advanced than your Mk1 eyeball.
lol
you have obviously never dealt with heavy drifting snow in the countryside
you need to get out of your cotton wool bubble
You, and every other driver in the world does so with their eyes, autonomous cars do the same with cameras, as well as having additional radar and lidar.
why do they crash then?
and again you have no idea of heavy drifting snow do you.
They crash less than humans do, this has already been pointed out to You!
per number on road, you are incorrect
and again what experience do you have in driving on country roads with high snow drifts?
feel free to mail me as this silly ping pong of messages gets silly. I would have mailed you but you don't accept incoming mail"Your "skills" as a driver are based on the amount of miles you have driven. If we look at just 1 company, waymo, they have driven more than 4 million miles. That is vastly more than you have ever driven. | |||
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more." The real advance will come when we realise we don't need a car each. More than 95% of vehicles spend more than 95% of time unutilised. So big car share pools strategically located & call up by an uber like ap is all we need. 5 minutes & it rolls up at the door. Streets are clear of parked cars, no need for car parks (just car pools instead), utilisation can approach 100% (like planes). If everything was fully self driving there would be no accidents other than daft pedestrians, meaning cars no longer have to be heavy steel protection cages but instead lightweight materials.... UTOPIA!! | |||
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more. The real advance will come when we realise we don't need a car each. More than 95% of vehicles spend more than 95% of time unutilised. So big car share pools strategically located & call up by an uber like ap is all we need. 5 minutes & it rolls up at the door. Streets are clear of parked cars, no need for car parks (just car pools instead), utilisation can approach 100% (like planes). If everything was fully self driving there would be no accidents other than daft pedestrians, meaning cars no longer have to be heavy steel protection cages but instead lightweight materials.... UTOPIA!! " Excellent point.The future is bright..  | |||
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more. The real advance will come when we realise we don't need a car each. More than 95% of vehicles spend more than 95% of time unutilised. So big car share pools strategically located & call up by an uber like ap is all we need. 5 minutes & it rolls up at the door. Streets are clear of parked cars, no need for car parks (just car pools instead), utilisation can approach 100% (like planes). If everything was fully self driving there would be no accidents other than daft pedestrians, meaning cars no longer have to be heavy steel protection cages but instead lightweight materials.... UTOPIA!! Excellent point.The future is bright.. "The future is Orange. | |||
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more. The real advance will come when we realise we don't need a car each. More than 95% of vehicles spend more than 95% of time unutilised. So big car share pools strategically located & call up by an uber like ap is all we need. 5 minutes & it rolls up at the door. Streets are clear of parked cars, no need for car parks (just car pools instead), utilisation can approach 100% (like planes). If everything was fully self driving there would be no accidents other than daft pedestrians, meaning cars no longer have to be heavy steel protection cages but instead lightweight materials.... UTOPIA!! Excellent point.The future is bright..
The future is Orange. "yep great point just one thing? well two things; Point one * About 65% of the pump cost of petrol and diesel goes to fund public spending. As this falls, alternative sources of revenue will be needed . The switch to electric cars poses a big financial problem for the government – because every time a driver switches from a petrol or diesel car to an electric vehicle, the government loses 57.95p per litre in fuel tax at every fill-up. In total, duties on petrol and diesel add up to almost £28bn a year for the exchequer. Worse for the chancellor of the day, petrol and diesel sales make a contribution to VAT. VAT is charged at 20% of the wholesale price plus the duty, which equates to 16.7% of the final price. That’s a form of double taxation and explains why more than 65% of the cost at the pumps goes to the exchequer. An electric car charged from the grid will currently generate just 5p in VAT for every pound spent. If the car is charged directly from solar panels on a garage roof, the Treasury is likely to go empty-handed point two * If people follow your suggestion and do not purchase a car, whether petrol, diesel or electric there will also be no vat or tax on new car purchase, so another plug on taxation where you going to plug the gap? | |||
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more. The real advance will come when we realise we don't need a car each. More than 95% of vehicles spend more than 95% of time unutilised. So big car share pools strategically located & call up by an uber like ap is all we need. 5 minutes & it rolls up at the door. Streets are clear of parked cars, no need for car parks (just car pools instead), utilisation can approach 100% (like planes). If everything was fully self driving there would be no accidents other than daft pedestrians, meaning cars no longer have to be heavy steel protection cages but instead lightweight materials.... UTOPIA!! Excellent point.The future is bright..
The future is Orange.
yep great point
just one thing? well two things;
Point one
* About 65% of the pump cost of petrol and diesel goes to fund public spending. As this falls, alternative sources of revenue will be needed
.
The switch to electric cars poses a big financial problem for the government – because every time a driver switches from a petrol or diesel car to an electric vehicle, the government loses 57.95p per litre in fuel tax at every fill-up.
In total, duties on petrol and diesel add up to almost £28bn a year for the exchequer. Worse for the chancellor of the day, petrol and diesel sales make a contribution to VAT. VAT is charged at 20% of the wholesale price plus the duty, which equates to 16.7% of the final price. That’s a form of double taxation and explains why more than 65% of the cost at the pumps goes to the exchequer.
An electric car charged from the grid will currently generate just 5p in VAT for every pound spent. If the car is charged directly from solar panels on a garage roof, the Treasury is likely to go empty-handed
point two
* If people follow your suggestion and do not purchase a car, whether petrol, diesel or electric there will also be no vat or tax on new car purchase, so another plug on taxation
where you going to plug the gap? "From the health benefits of falling pollution levels.
Reduced health care bills from car accidents, and resulting loss of earnings, benefits claims etc. A broken leg can cost the NHS £100,000 so the savings could be huge.
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"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more. The real advance will come when we realise we don't need a car each. More than 95% of vehicles spend more than 95% of time unutilised. So big car share pools strategically located & call up by an uber like ap is all we need. 5 minutes & it rolls up at the door. Streets are clear of parked cars, no need for car parks (just car pools instead), utilisation can approach 100% (like planes). If everything was fully self driving there would be no accidents other than daft pedestrians, meaning cars no longer have to be heavy steel protection cages but instead lightweight materials.... UTOPIA!! Excellent point.The future is bright..
The future is Orange.
yep great point
just one thing? well two things;
Point one
* About 65% of the pump cost of petrol and diesel goes to fund public spending. As this falls, alternative sources of revenue will be needed
.
The switch to electric cars poses a big financial problem for the government – because every time a driver switches from a petrol or diesel car to an electric vehicle, the government loses 57.95p per litre in fuel tax at every fill-up.
In total, duties on petrol and diesel add up to almost £28bn a year for the exchequer. Worse for the chancellor of the day, petrol and diesel sales make a contribution to VAT. VAT is charged at 20% of the wholesale price plus the duty, which equates to 16.7% of the final price. That’s a form of double taxation and explains why more than 65% of the cost at the pumps goes to the exchequer.
An electric car charged from the grid will currently generate just 5p in VAT for every pound spent. If the car is charged directly from solar panels on a garage roof, the Treasury is likely to go empty-handed
point two
* If people follow your suggestion and do not purchase a car, whether petrol, diesel or electric there will also be no vat or tax on new car purchase, so another plug on taxation
where you going to plug the gap?
From the health benefits of falling pollution levels.
Reduced health care bills from car accidents, and resulting loss of earnings, benefits claims etc. A broken leg can cost the NHS £100,000 so the savings could be huge.
"Are you being serious? You're saying savings of £28bn a year can be found by the health benefits of falling pollution levels and reduced health care bills from car accidents, and resulting loss of earnings, benefits claims etc. based around the fact a broken leg can cost the NHS £100,000? | |||
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"Well the WHO state air pollution costs the UK economy £54 billion a year. Also air pollution kills 40,000 a year according to the NHS." So that's twice as much as the loss of income, without taking into account the savings to the NHS from accidents, and general taxation from loss of earnings. | |||
"Well the WHO state air pollution costs the UK economy £54 billion a year. Also air pollution kills 40,000 a year according to the NHS." southerners | |||
"By the time electric cars really take off, they will be self driving. The Tesla model 3 has all the hardware needed for completely autonomous driving, all it would need is a software push once the legal systems are in place. There is no need for your car to sit outside your house or place of work for 12 hrs a day. Your car could drop you off at work/In town/the station and then drive itself home so you don't need to pay for parking. Alternatively, if it needs to charge, then it could go and find a charging station. Or, even better, instead of your expensive asset sitting there doing nothing all day, it can go out and be a taxi, and actually earn you money. It has cameras inside so you can make sure the passengers don't damage anything, everything from the aircon to the radio to the boot and glovebox are controlled by software, and therefore by you the owner, rather than physical buttons that your passengers can use. So you can still keep your valuables safe in your car whilst it's working for you. That is really going to change the way we think about car ownership, transportation, city design, car parking and much more. The real advance will come when we realise we don't need a car each. More than 95% of vehicles spend more than 95% of time unutilised. So big car share pools strategically located & call up by an uber like ap is all we need. 5 minutes & it rolls up at the door. Streets are clear of parked cars, no need for car parks (just car pools instead), utilisation can approach 100% (like planes). If everything was fully self driving there would be no accidents other than daft pedestrians, meaning cars no longer have to be heavy steel protection cages but instead lightweight materials.... UTOPIA!! Excellent point.The future is bright..
The future is Orange.
yep great point
just one thing? well two things;
Point one
* About 65% of the pump cost of petrol and diesel goes to fund public spending. As this falls, alternative sources of revenue will be needed
.
The switch to electric cars poses a big financial problem for the government – because every time a driver switches from a petrol or diesel car to an electric vehicle, the government loses 57.95p per litre in fuel tax at every fill-up.
In total, duties on petrol and diesel add up to almost £28bn a year for the exchequer. Worse for the chancellor of the day, petrol and diesel sales make a contribution to VAT. VAT is charged at 20% of the wholesale price plus the duty, which equates to 16.7% of the final price. That’s a form of double taxation and explains why more than 65% of the cost at the pumps goes to the exchequer.
An electric car charged from the grid will currently generate just 5p in VAT for every pound spent. If the car is charged directly from solar panels on a garage roof, the Treasury is likely to go empty-handed
point two
* If people follow your suggestion and do not purchase a car, whether petrol, diesel or electric there will also be no vat or tax on new car purchase, so another plug on taxation
where you going to plug the gap?
From the health benefits of falling pollution levels.
Reduced health care bills from car accidents, and resulting loss of earnings, benefits claims etc. A broken leg can cost the NHS £100,000 so the savings could be huge.
Are you being serious? You're saying savings of £28bn a year can be found by the health benefits of falling pollution levels and reduced health care bills from car accidents, and resulting loss of earnings, benefits claims etc. based around the fact a broken leg can cost the NHS £100,000?" | |||
"Well the WHO state air pollution costs the UK economy £54 billion a year. Also air pollution kills 40,000 a year according to the NHS. southerners "Edinburgh is the 3rd most congested city in the UK. That's a lot of cars sitting idle and spewing out pollution. | |||
"Well the WHO state air pollution costs the UK economy £54 billion a year. Also air pollution kills 40,000 a year according to the NHS. southerners
Edinburgh is the 3rd most congested city in the UK. That's a lot of cars sitting idle and spewing out pollution. "is that Princess Street? the main street that over looks the castle? | |||
"Well the WHO state air pollution costs the UK economy £54 billion a year. Also air pollution kills 40,000 a year according to the NHS. southerners
Edinburgh is the 3rd most congested city in the UK. That's a lot of cars sitting idle and spewing out pollution.
is that Princess Street? the main street that over looks the castle?"No, Edinburgh is a whole city. | |||
"Well the WHO state air pollution costs the UK economy £54 billion a year. Also air pollution kills 40,000 a year according to the NHS. southerners
Edinburgh is the 3rd most congested city in the UK. That's a lot of cars sitting idle and spewing out pollution.
is that Princess Street? the main street that over looks the castle?
No, Edinburgh is a whole city. "ahhhh so you mean car free Edinburgh, where they have closed roads, built trams and discourage all motorists, got you? haven't been for a while as no where to park | |||
"Well the WHO state air pollution costs the UK economy £54 billion a year. Also air pollution kills 40,000 a year according to the NHS. southerners
Edinburgh is the 3rd most congested city in the UK. That's a lot of cars sitting idle and spewing out pollution.
is that Princess Street? the main street that over looks the castle?
No, Edinburgh is a whole city. "According to the WHO in 2017 Glasgow was more polluted than London. Glasgow had 16 micrograms of the particles per cubic metre of air, exceeding the 10 micrograms safe limit. London and Leeds both had 15 micrograms of the particles in every cubic metre of air. Cardiff and Birmingham had 14 micrograms, and Manchester had 13. than London. Facts.Facts and more facts | |||
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"We drive a conventional hybrid but we'd like a PHEV. We approached our local council for permission to construct a drive and have a charger fitted at our council property (at our expense). The council refused us permission as our front grass garden is communally shared with the upstairs maisonette. We told the council that we would share the drive and charger(in fact we would fit a double charger at our expense) even though the lady upstairs doesn't own a car. Our council talks a good show about green issues but the reality is different. They won't work with you on these issues. So, for the time being we won't be having a PHEV, we'll stick with our DS5 Hybrid until the council has a change of heart. " as you say they are all talk and full of shit the force of the petrol & diesel car will be here for a long time . some on here better gut used to it | |||
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"We drive a conventional hybrid but we'd like a PHEV. We approached our local council for permission to construct a drive and have a charger fitted at our council property (at our expense). The council refused us permission as our front grass garden is communally shared with the upstairs maisonette. We told the council that we would share the drive and charger(in fact we would fit a double charger at our expense) even though the lady upstairs doesn't own a car. Our council talks a good show about green issues but the reality is different. They won't work with you on these issues. So, for the time being we won't be having a PHEV, we'll stick with our DS5 Hybrid until the council has a change of heart. as you say they are all talk and full of shit the force of the petrol & diesel car will be here for a long time . some on here better gut used to it" I could see you with a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV OP. | |||
"I've not driven for four years, so I've gained more of a perspective as a pedestrian in a city. Generally, as we've become more affluent, levels of car ownership have increased. The average size of a car seems to have grown quite a bit. More cars, taking up more space per car, equals greater congestion. At busy times, I can taste the fumes in my mouth. If the emissions are harmless, why isn't the exhaust pipe on the inside of the car? It's the dilute and disperse principle of the 1970s. A taxi driver here told me the licensing authority is moving to outlaw oil-burning taxis and private hire - first by setting a deadline for all to become hybrid, followed by another deadline for all to become electric. I believe it is a little behind London in that respect. A very clever scientist once told that history will judge the burning of oil in motor vehicles as one of the biggest ever wastes of a natural resource. " The Scottish government has pledged to phase out new petrol and diesel cars and vans across Scotland by 2032, eight years ahead of the UK Government target. We will have to wait and see if they keep their word of course. | |||
"We drive a conventional hybrid but we'd like a PHEV. We approached our local council for permission to construct a drive and have a charger fitted at our council property (at our expense). The council refused us permission as our front grass garden is communally shared with the upstairs maisonette. We told the council that we would share the drive and charger(in fact we would fit a double charger at our expense) even though the lady upstairs doesn't own a car. Our council talks a good show about green issues but the reality is different. They won't work with you on these issues. So, for the time being we won't be having a PHEV, we'll stick with our DS5 Hybrid until the council has a change of heart. as you say they are all talk and full of shit the force of the petrol & diesel car will be here for a long time . some on here better gut used to it I could see you with a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV OP. " CLCC, your intentions may be good, but I need an off roader that can actually work off road
Hilux is top of the range | |||
"I've not driven for four years, so I've gained more of a perspective as a pedestrian in a city. Generally, as we've become more affluent, levels of car ownership have increased. The average size of a car seems to have grown quite a bit. More cars, taking up more space per car, equals greater congestion. At busy times, I can taste the fumes in my mouth. If the emissions are harmless, why isn't the exhaust pipe on the inside of the car? It's the dilute and disperse principle of the 1970s. A taxi driver here told me the licensing authority is moving to outlaw oil-burning taxis and private hire - first by setting a deadline for all to become hybrid, followed by another deadline for all to become electric. I believe it is a little behind London in that respect. A very clever scientist once told that history will judge the burning of oil in motor vehicles as one of the biggest ever wastes of a natural resource. The Scottish government has pledged to phase out new petrol and diesel cars and vans across Scotland by 2032, eight years ahead of the UK Government target. We will have to wait and see if they keep their word of course. "Bob, I take it you and CLCC are all for removing petrol & diesel cars and replacing with electric for a greener environment? | |||
"We drive a conventional hybrid but we'd like a PHEV. We approached our local council for permission to construct a drive and have a charger fitted at our council property (at our expense). The council refused us permission as our front grass garden is communally shared with the upstairs maisonette. We told the council that we would share the drive and charger(in fact we would fit a double charger at our expense) even though the lady upstairs doesn't own a car. Our council talks a good show about green issues but the reality is different. They won't work with you on these issues. So, for the time being we won't be having a PHEV, we'll stick with our DS5 Hybrid until the council has a change of heart. as you say they are all talk and full of shit the force of the petrol & diesel car will be here for a long time . some on here better gut used to it I could see you with a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV OP. CLCC, your intentions may be good, but I need an off roader that can actually work off road
Hilux is top of the range"So what feature does the hilux have that the PHEV doesn't, that you just couldn't live without? | |||
"We drive a conventional hybrid but we'd like a PHEV. We approached our local council for permission to construct a drive and have a charger fitted at our council property (at our expense). The council refused us permission as our front grass garden is communally shared with the upstairs maisonette. We told the council that we would share the drive and charger(in fact we would fit a double charger at our expense) even though the lady upstairs doesn't own a car. Our council talks a good show about green issues but the reality is different. They won't work with you on these issues. So, for the time being we won't be having a PHEV, we'll stick with our DS5 Hybrid until the council has a change of heart. as you say they are all talk and full of shit the force of the petrol & diesel car will be here for a long time . some on here better gut used to it I could see you with a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV OP. CLCC, your intentions may be good, but I need an off roader that can actually work off road
Hilux is top of the range
So what feature does the hilux have that the PHEV doesn't, that you just couldn't live without? "for a very quick answer ground clearance, Power, safety, comfort, space and style along with the toughest frame & body. The Hilux has proven itself World wide and once you drive one offroad in forestry tracks & forestry conditions you will understand why, not to mention desert sands and artic conditions. anyway CLCC, an explanation is wasted on you why not read my new thread on Polymetallic nodules | |||
"We drive a conventional hybrid but we'd like a PHEV. We approached our local council for permission to construct a drive and have a charger fitted at our council property (at our expense). The council refused us permission as our front grass garden is communally shared with the upstairs maisonette. We told the council that we would share the drive and charger(in fact we would fit a double charger at our expense) even though the lady upstairs doesn't own a car. Our council talks a good show about green issues but the reality is different. They won't work with you on these issues. So, for the time being we won't be having a PHEV, we'll stick with our DS5 Hybrid until the council has a change of heart. as you say they are all talk and full of shit the force of the petrol & diesel car will be here for a long time . some on here better gut used to it I could see you with a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV OP. CLCC, your intentions may be good, but I need an off roader that can actually work off road
Hilux is top of the range
So what feature does the hilux have that the PHEV doesn't, that you just couldn't live without?
for a very quick answer ground clearance, Power, safety, comfort, space and style along with the toughest frame & body. The Hilux has proven itself World wide and once you drive one offroad in forestry tracks & forestry conditions you will understand why, not to mention desert sands and artic conditions.
anyway CLCC, an explanation is wasted on you
why not read my new thread on Polymetallic nodules"You live in Kinross and you brought a car based on its performance in the arctic and desert sands! hahaha, what a Muppet!  | |||
