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Wishful thinking...
The maybot does not make the same mistake twice...
Hhhmmmmm.....
Something doesn't sound quite right there, but I doubt she will be allowed to call another snap election by her party. |
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over a year ago
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Why don't they cover all bases and stick the general election, Brexit referendum "as we know it to be now" & Scottish independence all on one paper & get it all over in one go 
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Wouldn’t happen
Because of the fixed Parliament act it would mean they would have to vote on it, and there is now way on gods green earth that brexiteers will do it if there is a sniff of a potential labour government
What is more likely to happen is that brexiteers Will try and force may out via a Tory leadership contest and then get one of there own in as PM, but that will end up annoying the soft brexiteers, and there enough of them to scupper the hard brexit some people want |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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Well Labour are prepping for it. Maybe it's a way for the Tories to get Labour to waste money on something that won't happen?
Equally, May seems to be hanging on to her keys to No. 10 by the skin of her teeth on a near weekly basis. So maybe a change there at some point? |
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I'm sorry to say but, while Corbyn is still the Labour leader, the tories have nothing to worry about with regards to losing the election. He's just too divisive. We need a fresh, young, charismatic leader if we're to stand any chance. Tories would win again with a low majority but, as others said above, I don't think a snap election would be called. Maybe a vote of confidence or something like that. Unless poor Theresa decides she's had enough of trying to keep the peace within the party and just quits. Interesting to see who'd they elect next or even who'd put themselves forward. |
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"I'm sorry to say but, while Corbyn is still the Labour leader, the tories have nothing to worry about with regards to losing the election. He's just too divisive. We need a fresh, young, charismatic leader if we're to stand any chance. Tories would win again with a low majority but, as others said above, I don't think a snap election would be called. Maybe a vote of confidence or something like that. Unless poor Theresa decides she's had enough of trying to keep the peace within the party and just quits. Interesting to see who'd they elect next or even who'd put themselves forward."
Honestly the lib dems seem like the best bet ignorning brexit.
They're working on constructive ways to help under 40's gain capital so they dont have 3 generations slowly slipping into the political fringe. |
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For what its worth I think the brexiteers are going to try and force May to leave and get their own in, so they dont have to deal with a GE.
I actually think this would be for the better. It would probably triggera GE which would be split between Brexit issues and internal issues 50/50.
I could see the tory party splintering which would be interesting. Labour eventually would as well, I think. |
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I think labour would split before the tories, but it could be likeminded people from each forming a new party which would be a significant force. In fact, another election would only be of any point if there was a new centrist party to choose from. LDs could join up as well if they wanted. |
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"For what its worth I think the brexiteers are going to try and force May to leave and get their own in, so they dont have to deal with a GE.
I actually think this would be for the better. It would probably triggera GE which would be split between Brexit issues and internal issues 50/50.
I could see the tory party splintering which would be interesting. Labour eventually would as well, I think."
Was reported in the press over the weekend that Brexiters may wait until we are out of the EU in March 2019, then have a change of leader during the transition period. Brexit will be irreversible then and a brexit backing prime minister will be put in place during the transition period. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"For what its worth I think the brexiteers are going to try and force May to leave and get their own in, so they dont have to deal with a GE.
I actually think this would be for the better. It would probably triggera GE which would be split between Brexit issues and internal issues 50/50.
I could see the tory party splintering which would be interesting. Labour eventually would as well, I think.
Was reported in the press over the weekend that Brexiters may wait until we are out of the EU in March 2019, then have a change of leader during the transition period. Brexit will be irreversible then and a brexit backing prime minister will be put in place during the transition period. "
Brexit isn't irreversible. We can always rejoin  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"For what its worth I think the brexiteers are going to try and force May to leave and get their own in, so they dont have to deal with a GE.
I actually think this would be for the better. It would probably triggera GE which would be split between Brexit issues and internal issues 50/50.
I could see the tory party splintering which would be interesting. Labour eventually would as well, I think.
Was reported in the press over the weekend that Brexiters may wait until we are out of the EU in March 2019, then have a change of leader during the transition period. Brexit will be irreversible then and a brexit backing prime minister will be put in place during the transition period. "
I think that May is getting ever closer to forcing their hand tbh.
She is walking on a tight rope trying to pay lip service to the Moggite wing of the tories and balance their wants with the wants of the Ken Clarke wing.
Then she has to have a practical view of Brexit for her parties survival. If this goes tits up, and there is even just 2 years of pain after we leave, then the tories will probably be in decline for a decade.
Recent events that people disagree with prompt a stronger vote in opposition or protest, rather than triggering a strong vote in advocation for an alternative.
In short, May will be lucky if in the next year the tories hold it together in the name of their party - they might very well do this, they're good at doing that when they are in power. I just believe that she is going to royally piss one faction off and both sides will try to usurp her with their preferred soft brexit/hard brexit candidate.
On a side note, brexit will very much be reversible, it was not well reported on but at a conference talk Moggy proposed a formal British constitution which would state Britain could never join a political Union, which instantly was shot down as it denies the right of the people have a discussion and vote on such a feasibility, effectively flying in the face of democracy.
Another note, I think the bexiteers are living a fantasy with what you have spoke of.
TM was eventually forced to call a GE to legitimise her mandate as she had taken it from DC whose mandate was won on different issues.
Lets just say you wished to replace TM with JRM or MG, I'm certain given how the tories have a non-workable majority, parliament would force a GE and I'm sure given the mood of the public in regards to our general dissatisfaction of government and opposition, we'd end up with the public demand for it.
All I'm saying is I doubt the tories could survive again unless their manifesto was build around more than personality and brexit. |
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"I think labour would split before the tories, but it could be likeminded people from each forming a new party which would be a significant force. In fact, another election would only be of any point if there was a new centrist party to choose from. LDs could join up as well if they wanted."
Idk, I think both labour and the tories are close to breai=kingpoint.
In labour the socialists are pissing off the social democrat and liberal wing of the party, and these two wings are a constant pain in the ass for the socialists.
In the tories it's a remain, soft brexit, hard brexit split. And I get the feeling that most MP's are currently hiding their true opinions in order to keep the party together.
If both parties were to split, it'd probably be for the best, then people can be more honest about their views on how the country should be run. |
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Could someone like Boris be willing to cause a general election? Their pompous vanity might, despite their unwillingness to let a Labour government form instead of their own. The Cons continue to be disrupted by several of their politicians who are narcissistic power seekers, so Brexit processes will only aggravate the party's internal frictions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sorry to say but, while Corbyn is still the Labour leader, the tories have nothing to worry about with regards to losing the election. He's just too divisive. We need a fresh, young, charismatic leader if we're to stand any chance. Tories would win again with a low majority but, as others said above, I don't think a snap election would be called. Maybe a vote of confidence or something like that. Unless poor Theresa decides she's had enough of trying to keep the peace within the party and just quits. Interesting to see who'd they elect next or even who'd put themselves forward."
What use is a young charismatic Labour leader without any policies that will appeal to the electorate?
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"I'm sorry to say but, while Corbyn is still the Labour leader, the tories have nothing to worry about with regards to losing the election. He's just too divisive. We need a fresh, young, charismatic leader if we're to stand any chance. Tories would win again with a low majority but, as others said above, I don't think a snap election would be called. Maybe a vote of confidence or something like that. Unless poor Theresa decides she's had enough of trying to keep the peace within the party and just quits. Interesting to see who'd they elect next or even who'd put themselves forward.
What use is a young charismatic Labour leader without any policies that will appeal to the electorate?
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Labour's policies are very appealing to the electorate- I've seen blind polls which seemed to back this up (possibly in the run up to the GE).
This is why the press have constantly played the man, not the ball when it comes to Labour.
A charismatic young leader is precisely what I suspect will happen- JC will mop up the flak because he's near retirement age and a new leader will appear in the run up to the next GE. |
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"I'm sorry to say but, while Corbyn is still the Labour leader, the tories have nothing to worry about with regards to losing the election. He's just too divisive. We need a fresh, young, charismatic leader if we're to stand any chance. Tories would win again with a low majority but, as others said above, I don't think a snap election would be called. Maybe a vote of confidence or something like that. Unless poor Theresa decides she's had enough of trying to keep the peace within the party and just quits. Interesting to see who'd they elect next or even who'd put themselves forward.
What use is a young charismatic Labour leader without any policies that will appeal to the electorate?
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If labour had a blair type figure in charge, they would walk away with the next election. As it is,they will lose... again |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"I'm sorry to say but, while Corbyn is still the Labour leader, the tories have nothing to worry about with regards to losing the election. He's just too divisive. We need a fresh, young, charismatic leader if we're to stand any chance. Tories would win again with a low majority but, as others said above, I don't think a snap election would be called. Maybe a vote of confidence or something like that. Unless poor Theresa decides she's had enough of trying to keep the peace within the party and just quits. Interesting to see who'd they elect next or even who'd put themselves forward.
What use is a young charismatic Labour leader without any policies that will appeal to the electorate?
If labour had a blair type figure in charge, they would walk away with the next election. As it is,they will lose... again"
I disagree - people have lost faith in the slick, overpolished politician, be it on the right or the left.
I think a young leader who is down to earth would be good for Labour. They have worked hard to gain support in the age categories with lower voting percentages (40 and under) and I think a younger, charismatic leader would fit well. |
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"Why don't they cover all bases and stick the general election, Brexit referendum "as we know it to be now" & Scottish independence all on one paper & get it all over in one go
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Sounds like a plan.
The maybot might not have much of a say in having an election, as her weakness shows more and more each day.
The EU are getting more frustrated too, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them going for a hard brexit, whether the UK likes it or not.
If May falls as PM, will the country really want Jacob Rees Toff as PM? He might be popular with Eurosceptic MP's, but maybe not the people. |
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If its done there wont be anything left for them to fight about. You should hope that it is far from done, although in that case JC will have to come clean about what he and labour actually want, but that might be too much for the old man. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"If its done there wont be anything left for them to fight about. You should hope that it is far from done, although in that case JC will have to come clean about what he and labour actually want, but that might be too much for the old man."
What on earth are you on about? |
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"If its done there wont be anything left for them to fight about. You should hope that it is far from done, although in that case JC will have to come clean about what he and labour actually want, but that might be too much for the old man.
What on earth are you on about?"
I think he was very open before the last election, which helped the party do so well, compared to their low starting ranking.
He'd been written off by many, after years of the media laying into him. I think more people could have voted for labour if they'd had any clue how strongly supported they were. |
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"If its done there wont be anything left for them to fight about. You should hope that it is far from done, although in that case JC will have to come clean about what he and labour actually want, but that might be too much for the old man.
What on earth are you on about?"
I was referring to Brexit and its effect in Tories and labour, Corbyn in particular. What does he actually stand for in this debate? The divisions in the labour party regarding Europe are as deep as the Tories. Corbyn's main Brexit policy is to sit on the sidelines and snipe and vote against anything the government wants to do. Much easier than having to come up with anything constructive to get out of this pickle. Pity Blair isn't in charge, he would know what to do. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"If its done there wont be anything left for them to fight about. You should hope that it is far from done, although in that case JC will have to come clean about what he and labour actually want, but that might be too much for the old man.
What on earth are you on about?
I was referring to Brexit and its effect in Tories and labour, Corbyn in particular. What does he actually stand for in this debate? The divisions in the labour party regarding Europe are as deep as the Tories. Corbyn's main Brexit policy is to sit on the sidelines and snipe and vote against anything the government wants to do. Much easier than having to come up with anything constructive to get out of this pickle. Pity Blair isn't in charge, he would know what to do."
Agreed.
They have said that they are going to hold the Govt to account over their six points of reference, but they are unable to offer any credible alternatives to the Govt. This means that they themselves cannot hold up to the six point test and so are in no position to hold the Govt to account. |
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"If its done there wont be anything left for them to fight about. You should hope that it is far from done, although in that case JC will have to come clean about what he and labour actually want, but that might be too much for the old man.
What on earth are you on about?
I was referring to Brexit and its effect in Tories and labour, Corbyn in particular. What does he actually stand for in this debate? The divisions in the labour party regarding Europe are as deep as the Tories. Corbyn's main Brexit policy is to sit on the sidelines and snipe and vote against anything the government wants to do. Much easier than having to come up with anything constructive to get out of this pickle. Pity Blair isn't in charge, he would know what to do."
Most of the Labour leave voters would abandon Labour if there was another general election, especially those ukip voters who gave their vote to Labour at the last general election. The Labour party have sold the Labour leave voters down the river saying they would now stay in the customs union or 'a' customs union. |
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"If its done there wont be anything left for them to fight about. You should hope that it is far from done, although in that case JC will have to come clean about what he and labour actually want, but that might be too much for the old man.
What on earth are you on about?
I was referring to Brexit and its effect in Tories and labour, Corbyn in particular. What does he actually stand for in this debate? The divisions in the labour party regarding Europe are as deep as the Tories. Corbyn's main Brexit policy is to sit on the sidelines and snipe and vote against anything the government wants to do. Much easier than having to come up with anything constructive to get out of this pickle. Pity Blair isn't in charge, he would know what to do.
Most of the Labour leave voters would abandon Labour if there was another general election, especially those ukip voters who gave their vote to Labour at the last general election. The Labour party have sold the Labour leave voters down the river saying they would now stay in the customs union or 'a' customs union. "
At least Labour were upfront about this particular point. It's Theresa May who kept saying "we're leaving!" but now can't square the circle and is ending up on another u-turn.
As for ukip voters voting for Labour? Excuse me while I laugh out loud. They went right back where they left from in the first place. |
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"If its done there wont be anything left for them to fight about. You should hope that it is far from done, although in that case JC will have to come clean about what he and labour actually want, but that might be too much for the old man.
What on earth are you on about?
I was referring to Brexit and its effect in Tories and labour, Corbyn in particular. What does he actually stand for in this debate? The divisions in the labour party regarding Europe are as deep as the Tories. Corbyn's main Brexit policy is to sit on the sidelines and snipe and vote against anything the government wants to do. Much easier than having to come up with anything constructive to get out of this pickle. Pity Blair isn't in charge, he would know what to do."
I agree. Despite some general points, too much sitting on the fence as things progress. Pick a side already or, at least, come up with a STRONG, credible and *fullproof* position that will move us ahead in a way that the current government are failing miserably to do. Until this happens, we're doomed no matter who's on the steering wheel - Tories or Labour. |
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"If its done there wont be anything left for them to fight about. You should hope that it is far from done, although in that case JC will have to come clean about what he and labour actually want, but that might be too much for the old man.
What on earth are you on about?
I was referring to Brexit and its effect in Tories and labour, Corbyn in particular. What does he actually stand for in this debate? The divisions in the labour party regarding Europe are as deep as the Tories. Corbyn's main Brexit policy is to sit on the sidelines and snipe and vote against anything the government wants to do. Much easier than having to come up with anything constructive to get out of this pickle. Pity Blair isn't in charge, he would know what to do.
Most of the Labour leave voters would abandon Labour if there was another general election, especially those ukip voters who gave their vote to Labour at the last general election. The Labour party have sold the Labour leave voters down the river saying they would now stay in the customs union or 'a' customs union.
At least Labour were upfront about this particular point. It's Theresa May who kept saying "we're leaving!" but now can't square the circle and is ending up on another u-turn.
As for ukip voters voting for Labour? Excuse me while I laugh out loud. They went right back where they left from in the first place."
No, Labour were not upfront about it, they said at the general election they would leave the single market and the customs union. The general election voting patterns were broken down by Professor John Curtice, and according to his calculations 2/3 ukip voters went to The Conservative party and 1/3 of the ukip vote went to Labour. A small hardcore of ukip voters stayed loyal to ukip.
If you look at the history of ukip as a party in the early years most of their vote gains came from the Conservatives, but in the latter years they picked up a lot of the old traditional working class Labour vote. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"If its done there wont be anything left for them to fight about. You should hope that it is far from done, although in that case JC will have to come clean about what he and labour actually want, but that might be too much for the old man.
What on earth are you on about?
I was referring to Brexit and its effect in Tories and labour, Corbyn in particular. What does he actually stand for in this debate? The divisions in the labour party regarding Europe are as deep as the Tories. Corbyn's main Brexit policy is to sit on the sidelines and snipe and vote against anything the government wants to do. Much easier than having to come up with anything constructive to get out of this pickle. Pity Blair isn't in charge, he would know what to do.
Most of the Labour leave voters would abandon Labour if there was another general election, especially those ukip voters who gave their vote to Labour at the last general election. The Labour party have sold the Labour leave voters down the river saying they would now stay in the customs union or 'a' customs union.
At least Labour were upfront about this particular point. It's Theresa May who kept saying "we're leaving!" but now can't square the circle and is ending up on another u-turn.
As for ukip voters voting for Labour? Excuse me while I laugh out loud. They went right back where they left from in the first place.
No, Labour were not upfront about it, they said at the general election they would leave the single market and the customs union. The general election voting patterns were broken down by Professor John Curtice, and according to his calculations 2/3 ukip voters went to The Conservative party and 1/3 of the ukip vote went to Labour. A small hardcore of ukip voters stayed loyal to ukip.
If you look at the history of ukip as a party in the early years most of their vote gains came from the Conservatives, but in the latter years they picked up a lot of the old traditional working class Labour vote. "
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