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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
So MP’s get to vote tomorrow on the Heathrow 3rd runway proposal.
I have a couple of thoughts.....
In the time that it is taking to decide where/how capacity is to be increased in SE England, China has built hundreds of brand new international airports. Further, regular visitors to major US hubs can often be three abreast landing on into wind runways (of which they are only 3, of 9 runways in total).
Is it right to compulsorily purchase valuable houses and land to develop an exiting airport in West a London or should that money (and more) be used to develop an entirely new airport with associated transport infrastructure on the Thames estuary (Boris island).
The Govt (unsurprisingly) is linking Heathrow expansion to Brexit but I think we need to look beyond that. I am actually more in favour of retaining Heathrow as is and developing an entirely new facility as envisaged by Boris Johnson. |
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over a year ago
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In the time that it is taking to decide where/how capacity is to be increased in SE England, China has built hundreds of brand new international airports. Further, regular visitors to major US hubs can often be three abreast landing on into wind runways (of which they are only 3, of 9 runways in total).
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See my other thread about why democracy isn't working. It's characterised by inaction and delays. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
The vote itself shouldn’t even be close as the Tory are making it a 3 line whip issue, labour are allowing their mp’s a free vote and the snp Scottish government are for it
But it will be interesting to see if the snp abstain or even vote against.. and how many tories defy the whip!
Oh and the bojo drama... the hypocrite! |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
carrbrook stalybridge |
"The vote itself shouldn’t even be close as the Tory are making it a 3 line whip issue, labour are allowing their mp’s a free vote and the snp Scottish government are for it
But it will be interesting to see if the snp abstain or even vote against.. and how many tories defy the whip!
Oh and the bojo drama... the coward "
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I'd like regional capacity expansion but just building that doesn't mean that long haul operators - and even short haul operators - would actually come and use it.
It's potentially right that planning investigations and laws prevent inappropriate construction, though they may not always result in the most ideal outcomes.
I don't see much point in further fragmentation of the South East's hubs, as connections between them are typically inappropriate to optimise their success as actually being hubs. It would be different if they were all just designed to be in/out airports, where large proportions of passengers didn't land and then want to transfer onto other flights elsewhere. I think that Heathrow capacity has to be increased but only if there are substantial improvements to connections with other parts of the UK.
The UK should have been making substantial increases to the public transportation infrastructure over recent decades - it was something many governments disliked and the UK didn't.
And frankly anything that's connected to Boris should be regarded with very high levels of suspicion - the Thames Garden Bridge wasted almost £50 million of your money, even though it didn't get full approval or a single brick laid. Boris should face official investigation for this use/loss of taxpayers money. Thank goodness not another penny was spent on it. Politicians' vanity projects or outbursts of highly dubious but attention grabbing publicity, should be consigned to the bin, as should many of these politicians, who work in the Ryannair no publicity is bad publicity mold.
Heathrow is a world leading airport hub and helps to deliver economic benefits to the whole of the UK - it could be modified so that a greater proportion of this revenue isn't restricted to the south east though. It should either remain as the UK's main airport hub or be replaced and the sensible answer is to retain it, whilst increasing capacity - but improving transport links, including flight connections, with the rest of the UK. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"I'd like regional capacity expansion but just building that doesn't mean that long haul operators - and even short haul operators - would actually come and use it.
It's potentially right that planning investigations and laws prevent inappropriate construction, though they may not always result in the most ideal outcomes.
I don't see much point in further fragmentation of the South East's hubs, as connections between them are typically inappropriate to optimise their success as actually being hubs. It would be different if they were all just designed to be in/out airports, where large proportions of passengers didn't land and then want to transfer onto other flights elsewhere. I think that Heathrow capacity has to be increased but only if there are substantial improvements to connections with other parts of the UK.
The UK should have been making substantial increases to the public transportation infrastructure over recent decades - it was something many governments disliked and the UK didn't.
And frankly anything that's connected to Boris should be regarded with very high levels of suspicion - the Thames Garden Bridge wasted almost £50 million of your money, even though it didn't get full approval or a single brick laid. Boris should face official investigation for this use/loss of taxpayers money. Thank goodness not another penny was spent on it. Politicians' vanity projects or outbursts of highly dubious but attention grabbing publicity, should be consigned to the bin, as should many of these politicians, who work in the Ryannair no publicity is bad publicity mold.
Heathrow is a world leading airport hub and helps to deliver economic benefits to the whole of the UK - it could be modified so that a greater proportion of this revenue isn't restricted to the south east though. It should either remain as the UK's main airport hub or be replaced and the sensible answer is to retain it, whilst increasing capacity - but improving transport links, including flight connections, with the rest of the UK."
Cities such as Amsterdam have more flights to UK regional hubs than Heathrow.
So if you're a businessman in Singapore and you want to get to the north east, it's a no brainer to avoid Heathrow, and fly to a different European city with a direct link.
Maybe HS2 needs to start at Heathrow, go via Birmingham airport, onto East Midlands and then further North? Just a thought. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
If anyone had any doubts about the credibility of Johnson.
This is the politician who told voters he lie in front of the bulldozers to stop it. Civil disobedience, which rarely achieves anything except a logjam of activists in the judicial system.
Now he is an MP, he has the power to actually do something lawful to stop it from happening.
What does he do?
Runs away and hides.
He is a fraud, a phoney and not worthy of an office of state.
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"I'd like regional capacity expansion but just building that doesn't mean that long haul operators - and even short haul operators - would actually come and use it.
It's potentially right that planning investigations and laws prevent inappropriate construction, though they may not always result in the most ideal outcomes.
I don't see much point in further fragmentation of the South East's hubs, as connections between them are typically inappropriate to optimise their success as actually being hubs. It would be different if they were all just designed to be in/out airports, where large proportions of passengers didn't land and then want to transfer onto other flights elsewhere. I think that Heathrow capacity has to be increased but only if there are substantial improvements to connections with other parts of the UK.
The UK should have been making substantial increases to the public transportation infrastructure over recent decades - it was something many governments disliked and the UK didn't.
And frankly anything that's connected to Boris should be regarded with very high levels of suspicion - the Thames Garden Bridge wasted almost £50 million of your money, even though it didn't get full approval or a single brick laid. Boris should face official investigation for this use/loss of taxpayers money. Thank goodness not another penny was spent on it. Politicians' vanity projects or outbursts of highly dubious but attention grabbing publicity, should be consigned to the bin, as should many of these politicians, who work in the Ryannair no publicity is bad publicity mold.
Heathrow is a world leading airport hub and helps to deliver economic benefits to the whole of the UK - it could be modified so that a greater proportion of this revenue isn't restricted to the south east though. It should either remain as the UK's main airport hub or be replaced and the sensible answer is to retain it, whilst increasing capacity - but improving transport links, including flight connections, with the rest of the UK.
Cities such as Amsterdam have more flights to UK regional hubs than Heathrow.
So if you're a businessman in Singapore and you want to get to the north east, it's a no brainer to avoid Heathrow, and fly to a different European city with a direct link.
Maybe HS2 needs to start at Heathrow, go via Birmingham airport, onto East Midlands and then further North? Just a thought."
Heathrow's always been Transatlantic though, no point filling take off slots with 737's to Birmingham & Newcastle at the expense of 747-8's A380's |
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