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A poll out today shows an overwhelming 62% have not changed their mind on Brexit. 25% don't know and just 13% have changed their mind and most of those were once Remainers who would now vote Leave.
15% of remainers would now back Leave, equivalent to 2.4 million people.
Just 11% of Leavers have changed their mind to back remain, equivalent to 1.9 million people. If another referendum happened on these poll findings it would deliver a bigger majority for Leave than the 52% who voted leave in 2016.
Only 31% of people want a 2nd in/out referendum.
15% want a 2nd referendum but only on the terms of the deal negotiated with the EU (remain would not be an option on the ballot paper).
40% of people don't want another referendum and think we should just leave the EU in March 2019 with or without a deal as the article 50 period comes to an end.
The Deltapoll/Sun on Sunday poll showed the following results....
We should leave the EU on March 29th as planned...
Yes 47%
No 28%
Don't know 8%
There should be a 2nd in/out referendum = 31%
A 2nd referendum but only on the terms of the deal = 15%
No 2nd referendum and we should just leave in March 2019 with or without a deal = 40%
Have you changed your mind on Brexit....
Yes 13%
No 62%
Don't know 25%
Who has changed their minds?....
15% of those who voted remain would now vote Leave.
11% of those who voted Leave would now vote Remain.
The political classes are deliberately trying to make heavy weather of Brexit talks to convince the public to change their minds....
Agree 48%
Disagree 12%
Don't know/no opinion 40%
In the end there will be a Brexit deal even if it requires further negotiation period
Agree 45%
Disagree 13%
Don't know/no opinion 43%
Deltapoll director Martin Boon said the results of the poll show most people are taking a tougher stance on Brexit. He added "Nearly half the public believe themselves to be under siege from the political classes trying to change their minds, but the message the public are sending back is they haven't changed their minds and the likelihood is they won't".
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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also a few things...
1) deltapoll, who you are citing, are a brand new company to political polling, and where there founders have experience, the methodology doesn't... so it's interesting that there results go against all the others
2) the results are the the very pro brexit sun... and they are pushing these results more than anyone else.....
also.... from a political standpoint i will be interested to see what happens when the government finally starts releasing their "technical review subject notes" in the next few weeks.... because the EU have been doing this for months, and people like to scream "project fear"
if, what is likely to happen, the UK government notes are not that much different to the EU notes, will the reality of what is going to happen on march 29th at 11pm finally dawn on people....
i don't think the blinkered fundementalist "no dealers" will budge... but i bet the more rational leavers will
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"but i thought you didn't believe in polls or experts centy!
so isn't a bit disengenious to keep quoting them if you don't trust them!  "
Maybe I'm posting the polling data for the benefit of those who do believe in polls and experts _abio.
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"also a few things...
1) deltapoll, who you are citing, are a brand new company to political polling, and where there founders have experience, the methodology doesn't... so it's interesting that there results go against all the others
2) the results are the the very pro brexit sun... and they are pushing these results more than anyone else.....
also.... from a political standpoint i will be interested to see what happens when the government finally starts releasing their "technical review subject notes" in the next few weeks.... because the EU have been doing this for months, and people like to scream "project fear"
if, what is likely to happen, the UK government notes are not that much different to the EU notes, will the reality of what is going to happen on march 29th at 11pm finally dawn on people....
i don't think the blinkered fundementalist "no dealers" will budge... but i bet the more rational leavers will
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So you believe in experts and polls but just not this one, lol. 
And you really should stop betting on political outcomes _abio, it must be hurting your pocket as you don't have a very good track record on here of predicting political events correctly. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"but i thought you didn't believe in polls or experts centy!
so isn't a bit disengenious to keep quoting them if you don't trust them!
Maybe I'm posting the polling data for the benefit of those who do believe in polls and experts _abio.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So more people want a 2nd vote than don’t.
25% of people don’t know if they have changed their mind (odd answer tbh)
More people say “we should just leave as planned” as than who say “we should just lea e with or without a deal”. (Odd)
And 18% of people when asked should we leave as planned don’t fall into the yes, no or don’t know category.
Will be interesting to see deltas output, not just the sun reporting, as the survey doesn’t feel very internally consistent. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
Deltapoll also published this:
The slogan that defined the Brexit referendum campaign two years ago has lost its appeal. “Take back control” was a powerful message. Today, the dream of sovereignty takes second place to the demand for prosperity to be protected.
This helps to explain a modest, but sustained, shift in public opinion since the Brexit referendum. A new survey by DeltaPoll suggests that a public vote today would produce almost exactly the opposite result to the verdict in June 2016: a five per cent majority for Remain today, compared with a four point lead for Leave two years ago.
A new question posed by DeltaPoll shows what is happening – and illuminates a dangerously large gulf between those in early or mid-career and those who are in or close to retirement. We asked people which of two statements about the current Brexit negotiations comes closest to their view:
“It’s vital for jobs, investment and living standards here in the UK for us to continue to trade as freely with the EU as we do today, even if this limits our freedom to decide our own business and trading rules”
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“It’s vital that Britain regains the right to decide its own business and trading rules, even if this reduces our ability to trade freely with the EU and risks being bad for jobs, investment and living standards”
Among the total sample, 48 per cent wanted to protect jobs and living standards at all costs, while 38 per cent regarded British sovereignty as the higher priority. Stripping out the “don’t knows”, the verdict is 56-44 per cent in favour of economic strength.
The generation gap is huge. Among voters who are under 55, and therefore likely to be directly affected by the impact of Brexit on jobs and investment, then the margin is almost two-to-one: 65-35 per cent. But the over-55s regard sovereignty as more important, by 59-41 per cent.
We are told by some that any attempt to reverse the 2016 referendum result would provoke public anger from those who voted Leave. Perhaps we should also consider the danger that younger Remain voters could rebel against the threat to future prosperity in the pursuit of a sovereignty that they consider of secondary importance.
There is another argument that we need to face. It is that our question poses a false dichotomy: that we do not have to choose between prosperity and independence, for we can have both.
The problem here is that hardly anyone outside the ranks of the most committed Brexiteers seems to share this view. The leaked assessments by the Government suggest that full control of our trade could lop 8 per cent off Britain’s economic growth over 15 years. The Institute for Fiscal Studies reckons that both growth and the public finances would suffer: there would be no chance of the much vaunted £350 million a week extra for the NHS. The CBI and Institute of Directors have voiced their concerns. And only this week, a delegation of business leaders from Europe’s biggest companies met with the Prime Minister to warn of the dangers of the persistent uncertainties over Britain’s future relationship with the EU.
That is not all. The most optimistic projections of the Brexiteers assume free and frictionless trade with the rest of the EU, as well as new trade deals with the rest of the world. With each passing week, it becomes clear that the price of frictionless trade beyond December 2020 – the end of the “implementation” phase – will be a requirement for the UK to apply the current Customs Union and Single Market rules, or something very like them, at least for food, components and manufactured goods.
Jacob Rees Mogg has said this outcome would turn the UK into a “vassal state”. For the great majority of those with much of their working lives ahead of them, better that than one that threatens the future prospects for them and their families. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"A poll out today shows an overwhelming 62% have not changed their mind on Brexit. 25% don't know and just 13% have changed their mind and most of those were once Remainers who would now vote Leave.
15% of remainers would now back Leave, equivalent to 2.4 million people.
Just 11% of Leavers have changed their mind to back remain, equivalent to 1.9 million people. If another referendum happened on these poll findings it would deliver a bigger majority for Leave than the 52% who voted leave in 2016.
Only 31% of people want a 2nd in/out referendum.
15% want a 2nd referendum but only on the terms of the deal negotiated with the EU (remain would not be an option on the ballot paper).
40% of people don't want another referendum and think we should just leave the EU in March 2019 with or without a deal as the article 50 period comes to an end.
The Deltapoll/Sun on Sunday poll showed the following results....
We should leave the EU on March 29th as planned...
Yes 47%
No 28%
Don't know 8%
There should be a 2nd in/out referendum = 31%
A 2nd referendum but only on the terms of the deal = 15%
No 2nd referendum and we should just leave in March 2019 with or without a deal = 40%
Have you changed your mind on Brexit....
Yes 13%
No 62%
Don't know 25%
Who has changed their minds?....
15% of those who voted remain would now vote Leave.
11% of those who voted Leave would now vote Remain.
The political classes are deliberately trying to make heavy weather of Brexit talks to convince the public to change their minds....
Agree 48%
Disagree 12%
Don't know/no opinion 40%
In the end there will be a Brexit deal even if it requires further negotiation period
Agree 45%
Disagree 13%
Don't know/no opinion 43%
Deltapoll director Martin Boon said the results of the poll show most people are taking a tougher stance on Brexit. He added "Nearly half the public believe themselves to be under siege from the political classes trying to change their minds, but the message the public are sending back is they haven't changed their minds and the likelihood is they won't".
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This is a verbatim Sun article.
The polling data has not yet been published so it's not possible to know the questions asked or the methodology. The polling size wasn't given.
I cannot find the poll data. The sample size, methodology and actual questions asked are unknown.
The percentages that you've quoted don't actually add up do they?
About 1 million voters are dead and can't change their minds. 75% over 67 and more likely to vote leave.
1.4 million new voters more likely to vote Remain who didn't have a vote to change. |
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"A poll out today shows an overwhelming 62% have not changed their mind on Brexit. 25% don't know and just 13% have changed their mind and most of those were once Remainers who would now vote Leave.
15% of remainers would now back Leave, equivalent to 2.4 million people.
Just 11% of Leavers have changed their mind to back remain, equivalent to 1.9 million people. If another referendum happened on these poll findings it would deliver a bigger majority for Leave than the 52% who voted leave in 2016.
Only 31% of people want a 2nd in/out referendum.
15% want a 2nd referendum but only on the terms of the deal negotiated with the EU (remain would not be an option on the ballot paper).
40% of people don't want another referendum and think we should just leave the EU in March 2019 with or without a deal as the article 50 period comes to an end.
The Deltapoll/Sun on Sunday poll showed the following results....
We should leave the EU on March 29th as planned...
Yes 47%
No 28%
Don't know 8%
There should be a 2nd in/out referendum = 31%
A 2nd referendum but only on the terms of the deal = 15%
No 2nd referendum and we should just leave in March 2019 with or without a deal = 40%
Have you changed your mind on Brexit....
Yes 13%
No 62%
Don't know 25%
Who has changed their minds?....
15% of those who voted remain would now vote Leave.
11% of those who voted Leave would now vote Remain.
The political classes are deliberately trying to make heavy weather of Brexit talks to convince the public to change their minds....
Agree 48%
Disagree 12%
Don't know/no opinion 40%
In the end there will be a Brexit deal even if it requires further negotiation period
Agree 45%
Disagree 13%
Don't know/no opinion 43%
Deltapoll director Martin Boon said the results of the poll show most people are taking a tougher stance on Brexit. He added "Nearly half the public believe themselves to be under siege from the political classes trying to change their minds, but the message the public are sending back is they haven't changed their minds and the likelihood is they won't".
This is a verbatim Sun article.
The polling data has not yet been published so it's not possible to know the questions asked or the methodology. The polling size wasn't given.
I cannot find the poll data. The sample size, methodology and actual questions asked are unknown.
The percentages that you've quoted don't actually add up do they?
About 1 million voters are dead and can't change their minds. 75% over 67 and more likely to vote leave.
1.4 million new voters more likely to vote Remain who didn't have a vote to change."
You can't be looking very hard, similar to when CLCC and explicitlyrics couldn't find the Populous poll using Google, lol. The poll was published today in The Sun on Sunday. I told you that in the OP. The sample size is given as 1,904 adults aged 18+ in an online survey done between August 14 to 16.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"A poll out today shows an overwhelming 62% have not changed their mind on Brexit. 25% don't know and just 13% have changed their mind and most of those were once Remainers who would now vote Leave.
15% of remainers would now back Leave, equivalent to 2.4 million people.
Just 11% of Leavers have changed their mind to back remain, equivalent to 1.9 million people. If another referendum happened on these poll findings it would deliver a bigger majority for Leave than the 52% who voted leave in 2016.
Only 31% of people want a 2nd in/out referendum.
15% want a 2nd referendum but only on the terms of the deal negotiated with the EU (remain would not be an option on the ballot paper).
40% of people don't want another referendum and think we should just leave the EU in March 2019 with or without a deal as the article 50 period comes to an end.
The Deltapoll/Sun on Sunday poll showed the following results....
We should leave the EU on March 29th as planned...
Yes 47%
No 28%
Don't know 8%
There should be a 2nd in/out referendum = 31%
A 2nd referendum but only on the terms of the deal = 15%
No 2nd referendum and we should just leave in March 2019 with or without a deal = 40%
Have you changed your mind on Brexit....
Yes 13%
No 62%
Don't know 25%
Who has changed their minds?....
15% of those who voted remain would now vote Leave.
11% of those who voted Leave would now vote Remain.
The political classes are deliberately trying to make heavy weather of Brexit talks to convince the public to change their minds....
Agree 48%
Disagree 12%
Don't know/no opinion 40%
In the end there will be a Brexit deal even if it requires further negotiation period
Agree 45%
Disagree 13%
Don't know/no opinion 43%
Deltapoll director Martin Boon said the results of the poll show most people are taking a tougher stance on Brexit. He added "Nearly half the public believe themselves to be under siege from the political classes trying to change their minds, but the message the public are sending back is they haven't changed their minds and the likelihood is they won't".
This is a verbatim Sun article.
The polling data has not yet been published so it's not possible to know the questions asked or the methodology. The polling size wasn't given.
I cannot find the poll data. The sample size, methodology and actual questions asked are unknown.
The percentages that you've quoted don't actually add up do they?
About 1 million voters are dead and can't change their minds. 75% over 67 and more likely to vote leave.
1.4 million new voters more likely to vote Remain who didn't have a vote to change.
You can't be looking very hard, similar to when CLCC and explicitlyrics couldn't find the Populous poll using Google, lol. The poll was published today in The Sun on Sunday. I told you that in the OP. The sample size is given as 1,904 adults aged 18+ in an online survey done between August 14 to 16.
Deltapoll say results have been weighted to the profile of all GB adults. "
Really?
"Poll data for today’s Sun on Sunday poll will be posted tomorrow.
Anyone currently looking at data on our site is from our previous Sun poll from a month ago. As it’s date clearly states." |
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"A poll out today shows an overwhelming 62% have not changed their mind on Brexit. 25% don't know and just 13% have changed their mind and most of those were once Remainers who would now vote Leave.
15% of remainers would now back Leave, equivalent to 2.4 million people.
Just 11% of Leavers have changed their mind to back remain, equivalent to 1.9 million people. If another referendum happened on these poll findings it would deliver a bigger majority for Leave than the 52% who voted leave in 2016.
Only 31% of people want a 2nd in/out referendum.
15% want a 2nd referendum but only on the terms of the deal negotiated with the EU (remain would not be an option on the ballot paper).
40% of people don't want another referendum and think we should just leave the EU in March 2019 with or without a deal as the article 50 period comes to an end.
The Deltapoll/Sun on Sunday poll showed the following results....
We should leave the EU on March 29th as planned...
Yes 47%
No 28%
Don't know 8%
There should be a 2nd in/out referendum = 31%
A 2nd referendum but only on the terms of the deal = 15%
No 2nd referendum and we should just leave in March 2019 with or without a deal = 40%
Have you changed your mind on Brexit....
Yes 13%
No 62%
Don't know 25%
Who has changed their minds?....
15% of those who voted remain would now vote Leave.
11% of those who voted Leave would now vote Remain.
The political classes are deliberately trying to make heavy weather of Brexit talks to convince the public to change their minds....
Agree 48%
Disagree 12%
Don't know/no opinion 40%
In the end there will be a Brexit deal even if it requires further negotiation period
Agree 45%
Disagree 13%
Don't know/no opinion 43%
Deltapoll director Martin Boon said the results of the poll show most people are taking a tougher stance on Brexit. He added "Nearly half the public believe themselves to be under siege from the political classes trying to change their minds, but the message the public are sending back is they haven't changed their minds and the likelihood is they won't".
This is a verbatim Sun article.
The polling data has not yet been published so it's not possible to know the questions asked or the methodology. The polling size wasn't given.
I cannot find the poll data. The sample size, methodology and actual questions asked are unknown.
The percentages that you've quoted don't actually add up do they?
About 1 million voters are dead and can't change their minds. 75% over 67 and more likely to vote leave.
1.4 million new voters more likely to vote Remain who didn't have a vote to change.
You can't be looking very hard, similar to when CLCC and explicitlyrics couldn't find the Populous poll using Google, lol. The poll was published today in The Sun on Sunday. I told you that in the OP. The sample size is given as 1,904 adults aged 18+ in an online survey done between August 14 to 16.
Deltapoll say results have been weighted to the profile of all GB adults.
Really?
"Poll data for today’s Sun on Sunday poll will be posted tomorrow.
Anyone currently looking at data on our site is from our previous Sun poll from a month ago. As it’s date clearly states.""
I have an actual hard copy of the newspaper literally right here in front of me. The sample size, methodology, date the poll was done is all there in print which I just quoted to you.  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"A poll out today shows an overwhelming 62% have not changed their mind on Brexit. 25% don't know and just 13% have changed their mind and most of those were once Remainers who would now vote Leave.
15% of remainers would now back Leave, equivalent to 2.4 million people.
Just 11% of Leavers have changed their mind to back remain, equivalent to 1.9 million people. If another referendum happened on these poll findings it would deliver a bigger majority for Leave than the 52% who voted leave in 2016.
Only 31% of people want a 2nd in/out referendum.
15% want a 2nd referendum but only on the terms of the deal negotiated with the EU (remain would not be an option on the ballot paper).
40% of people don't want another referendum and think we should just leave the EU in March 2019 with or without a deal as the article 50 period comes to an end.
The Deltapoll/Sun on Sunday poll showed the following results....
We should leave the EU on March 29th as planned...
Yes 47%
No 28%
Don't know 8%
There should be a 2nd in/out referendum = 31%
A 2nd referendum but only on the terms of the deal = 15%
No 2nd referendum and we should just leave in March 2019 with or without a deal = 40%
Have you changed your mind on Brexit....
Yes 13%
No 62%
Don't know 25%
Who has changed their minds?....
15% of those who voted remain would now vote Leave.
11% of those who voted Leave would now vote Remain.
The political classes are deliberately trying to make heavy weather of Brexit talks to convince the public to change their minds....
Agree 48%
Disagree 12%
Don't know/no opinion 40%
In the end there will be a Brexit deal even if it requires further negotiation period
Agree 45%
Disagree 13%
Don't know/no opinion 43%
Deltapoll director Martin Boon said the results of the poll show most people are taking a tougher stance on Brexit. He added "Nearly half the public believe themselves to be under siege from the political classes trying to change their minds, but the message the public are sending back is they haven't changed their minds and the likelihood is they won't".
This is a verbatim Sun article.
The polling data has not yet been published so it's not possible to know the questions asked or the methodology. The polling size wasn't given.
I cannot find the poll data. The sample size, methodology and actual questions asked are unknown.
The percentages that you've quoted don't actually add up do they?
About 1 million voters are dead and can't change their minds. 75% over 67 and more likely to vote leave.
1.4 million new voters more likely to vote Remain who didn't have a vote to change.
You can't be looking very hard, similar to when CLCC and explicitlyrics couldn't find the Populous poll using Google, lol. The poll was published today in The Sun on Sunday. I told you that in the OP. The sample size is given as 1,904 adults aged 18+ in an online survey done between August 14 to 16.
Deltapoll say results have been weighted to the profile of all GB adults.
Really?
"Poll data for today’s Sun on Sunday poll will be posted tomorrow.
Anyone currently looking at data on our site is from our previous Sun poll from a month ago. As it’s date clearly states."
I have an actual hard copy of the newspaper literally right here in front of me. The sample size, methodology, date the poll was done is all there in print which I just quoted to you. "
Not online.
No questions or methodology either.
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"A poll out today shows an overwhelming 62% have not changed their mind on Brexit. 25% don't know and just 13% have changed their mind and most of those were once Remainers who would now vote Leave.
15% of remainers would now back Leave, equivalent to 2.4 million people.
Just 11% of Leavers have changed their mind to back remain, equivalent to 1.9 million people. If another referendum happened on these poll findings it would deliver a bigger majority for Leave than the 52% who voted leave in 2016.
Only 31% of people want a 2nd in/out referendum.
15% want a 2nd referendum but only on the terms of the deal negotiated with the EU (remain would not be an option on the ballot paper).
40% of people don't want another referendum and think we should just leave the EU in March 2019 with or without a deal as the article 50 period comes to an end.
The Deltapoll/Sun on Sunday poll showed the following results....
We should leave the EU on March 29th as planned...
Yes 47%
No 28%
Don't know 8%
There should be a 2nd in/out referendum = 31%
A 2nd referendum but only on the terms of the deal = 15%
No 2nd referendum and we should just leave in March 2019 with or without a deal = 40%
Have you changed your mind on Brexit....
Yes 13%
No 62%
Don't know 25%
Who has changed their minds?....
15% of those who voted remain would now vote Leave.
11% of those who voted Leave would now vote Remain.
The political classes are deliberately trying to make heavy weather of Brexit talks to convince the public to change their minds....
Agree 48%
Disagree 12%
Don't know/no opinion 40%
In the end there will be a Brexit deal even if it requires further negotiation period
Agree 45%
Disagree 13%
Don't know/no opinion 43%
Deltapoll director Martin Boon said the results of the poll show most people are taking a tougher stance on Brexit. He added "Nearly half the public believe themselves to be under siege from the political classes trying to change their minds, but the message the public are sending back is they haven't changed their minds and the likelihood is they won't".
This is a verbatim Sun article.
The polling data has not yet been published so it's not possible to know the questions asked or the methodology. The polling size wasn't given.
I cannot find the poll data. The sample size, methodology and actual questions asked are unknown.
The percentages that you've quoted don't actually add up do they?
About 1 million voters are dead and can't change their minds. 75% over 67 and more likely to vote leave.
1.4 million new voters more likely to vote Remain who didn't have a vote to change.
You can't be looking very hard, similar to when CLCC and explicitlyrics couldn't find the Populous poll using Google, lol. The poll was published today in The Sun on Sunday. I told you that in the OP. The sample size is given as 1,904 adults aged 18+ in an online survey done between August 14 to 16.
Deltapoll say results have been weighted to the profile of all GB adults.
Really?
"Poll data for today’s Sun on Sunday poll will be posted tomorrow.
Anyone currently looking at data on our site is from our previous Sun poll from a month ago. As it’s date clearly states."
I have an actual hard copy of the newspaper literally right here in front of me. The sample size, methodology, date the poll was done is all there in print which I just quoted to you.
Not online.
No questions or methodology either.
The numbers still don't add up do they?"
It must be online because Pbandjam91 found out the sample size pretty quickly earlier on the "48% want another referendum" thread. They didn't get it from me here because the time stamps show they posted the sample size before I posted it on this thread.
Go read the other thread if you don't believe me. Or maybe Pbandjam91 are just better at using a basic search engine than you are. |
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"A poll out today shows an overwhelming 62% have not changed their mind on Brexit. 25% don't know and just 13% have changed their mind and most of those were once Remainers who would now vote Leave.
15% of remainers would now back Leave, equivalent to 2.4 million people.
Just 11% of Leavers have changed their mind to back remain, equivalent to 1.9 million people. If another referendum happened on these poll findings it would deliver a bigger majority for Leave than the 52% who voted leave in 2016.
Only 31% of people want a 2nd in/out referendum.
15% want a 2nd referendum but only on the terms of the deal negotiated with the EU (remain would not be an option on the ballot paper).
40% of people don't want another referendum and think we should just leave the EU in March 2019 with or without a deal as the article 50 period comes to an end.
The Deltapoll/Sun on Sunday poll showed the following results....
We should leave the EU on March 29th as planned...
Yes 47%
No 28%
Don't know 8%
There should be a 2nd in/out referendum = 31%
A 2nd referendum but only on the terms of the deal = 15%
No 2nd referendum and we should just leave in March 2019 with or without a deal = 40%
Have you changed your mind on Brexit....
Yes 13%
No 62%
Don't know 25%
Who has changed their minds?....
15% of those who voted remain would now vote Leave.
11% of those who voted Leave would now vote Remain.
The political classes are deliberately trying to make heavy weather of Brexit talks to convince the public to change their minds....
Agree 48%
Disagree 12%
Don't know/no opinion 40%
In the end there will be a Brexit deal even if it requires further negotiation period
Agree 45%
Disagree 13%
Don't know/no opinion 43%
Deltapoll director Martin Boon said the results of the poll show most people are taking a tougher stance on Brexit. He added "Nearly half the public believe themselves to be under siege from the political classes trying to change their minds, but the message the public are sending back is they haven't changed their minds and the likelihood is they won't".
This is a verbatim Sun article.
The polling data has not yet been published so it's not possible to know the questions asked or the methodology. The polling size wasn't given.
I cannot find the poll data. The sample size, methodology and actual questions asked are unknown.
The percentages that you've quoted don't actually add up do they?
About 1 million voters are dead and can't change their minds. 75% over 67 and more likely to vote leave.
1.4 million new voters more likely to vote Remain who didn't have a vote to change.
You can't be looking very hard, similar to when CLCC and explicitlyrics couldn't find the Populous poll using Google, lol. The poll was published today in The Sun on Sunday. I told you that in the OP. The sample size is given as 1,904 adults aged 18+ in an online survey done between August 14 to 16.
Deltapoll say results have been weighted to the profile of all GB adults.
Really?
"Poll data for today’s Sun on Sunday poll will be posted tomorrow.
Anyone currently looking at data on our site is from our previous Sun poll from a month ago. As it’s date clearly states."
I have an actual hard copy of the newspaper literally right here in front of me. The sample size, methodology, date the poll was done is all there in print which I just quoted to you.
Not online.
No questions or methodology either.
The numbers still don't add up do they?
It must be online because Pbandjam91 found out the sample size pretty quickly earlier on the "48% want another referendum" thread. They didn't get it from me here because the time stamps show they posted the sample size before I posted it on this thread.
Go read the other thread if you don't believe me. Or maybe Pbandjam91 are just better at using a basic search engine than you are. "
Sample size 1904? Arent you guilty of double standards here? You constantly decry polls and deride small sample sizes yet seem enraptured by a sample which is the equivalent of around 3 people per constituency??? Bizarre |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"A poll out today shows an overwhelming 62% have not changed their mind on Brexit. 25% don't know and just 13% have changed their mind and most of those were once Remainers who would now vote Leave.
15% of remainers would now back Leave, equivalent to 2.4 million people.
Just 11% of Leavers have changed their mind to back remain, equivalent to 1.9 million people. If another referendum happened on these poll findings it would deliver a bigger majority for Leave than the 52% who voted leave in 2016.
Only 31% of people want a 2nd in/out referendum.
15% want a 2nd referendum but only on the terms of the deal negotiated with the EU (remain would not be an option on the ballot paper).
40% of people don't want another referendum and think we should just leave the EU in March 2019 with or without a deal as the article 50 period comes to an end.
The Deltapoll/Sun on Sunday poll showed the following results....
We should leave the EU on March 29th as planned...
Yes 47%
No 28%
Don't know 8%
There should be a 2nd in/out referendum = 31%
A 2nd referendum but only on the terms of the deal = 15%
No 2nd referendum and we should just leave in March 2019 with or without a deal = 40%
Have you changed your mind on Brexit....
Yes 13%
No 62%
Don't know 25%
Who has changed their minds?....
15% of those who voted remain would now vote Leave.
11% of those who voted Leave would now vote Remain.
The political classes are deliberately trying to make heavy weather of Brexit talks to convince the public to change their minds....
Agree 48%
Disagree 12%
Don't know/no opinion 40%
In the end there will be a Brexit deal even if it requires further negotiation period
Agree 45%
Disagree 13%
Don't know/no opinion 43%
Deltapoll director Martin Boon said the results of the poll show most people are taking a tougher stance on Brexit. He added "Nearly half the public believe themselves to be under siege from the political classes trying to change their minds, but the message the public are sending back is they haven't changed their minds and the likelihood is they won't".
This is a verbatim Sun article.
The polling data has not yet been published so it's not possible to know the questions asked or the methodology. The polling size wasn't given.
I cannot find the poll data. The sample size, methodology and actual questions asked are unknown.
The percentages that you've quoted don't actually add up do they?
About 1 million voters are dead and can't change their minds. 75% over 67 and more likely to vote leave.
1.4 million new voters more likely to vote Remain who didn't have a vote to change.
You can't be looking very hard, similar to when CLCC and explicitlyrics couldn't find the Populous poll using Google, lol. The poll was published today in The Sun on Sunday. I told you that in the OP. The sample size is given as 1,904 adults aged 18+ in an online survey done between August 14 to 16.
Deltapoll say results have been weighted to the profile of all GB adults.
Really?
"Poll data for today’s Sun on Sunday poll will be posted tomorrow.
Anyone currently looking at data on our site is from our previous Sun poll from a month ago. As it’s date clearly states."
I have an actual hard copy of the newspaper literally right here in front of me. The sample size, methodology, date the poll was done is all there in print which I just quoted to you.
Not online.
No questions or methodology either.
The numbers still don't add up do they?
It must be online because Pbandjam91 found out the sample size pretty quickly earlier on the "48% want another referendum" thread. They didn't get it from me here because the time stamps show they posted the sample size before I posted it on this thread.
Go read the other thread if you don't believe me. Or maybe Pbandjam91 are just better at using a basic search engine than you are. "
The Express quotes the number polled on line, not the Sun.
There is no methodology. No indication how the demographic change has been accounted for. No questions.
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There's still remarkable levels of ignorance around. Of course the negotiations outcome should be subject to a referendum, as it was that mechanism that forced the situation the UK is in.
Campaigns for leave broke electoral law, meaning the result is dubious at best and legally as well as morally untenable.
Opinion polls here are shown by some when they support a situation that is their lifeblood, but are derided with different conclusions.  |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Given how interwoven our life today is with the EU, does anyone have any idea how many pages a potential UK/EU relationship would run to?
We've already seen how one referendum on a subject of immense complexity is manipulated by populists and communicated in dog-whistle sound-bytes.
I've no reason to believe a 2nd referendum would be any different and I really don't see the point.
The UK voted to leave. Fucking get with it and stop moaning.
If it's a success, I'll eat my humble pie. If it's not a success, the 52 per cent ought to be ashamed of themselves.
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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago
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"Interesting fact .... 18% of leave voters think brexit is a mistake. (Which is more than who have change their minds!) "
The only way this could be a 'fact' is if all 17,410,742 leave voters were polled
Unless this miraculous event took place over night, without anyone knowing? It's clearly not a 'fact' |
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"Interesting fact .... 18% of leave voters think brexit is a mistake. (Which is more than who have change their minds!)
The only way this could be a 'fact' is if all 17,410,742 leave voters were polled
Unless this miraculous event took place over night, without anyone knowing? It's clearly not a 'fact'"
it has the same level of certainty as the other numbers in this thread. But hey, let’s pick up on that ... I used fun fact as a bit of light hearted fun. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Have a load of posts been deleted ?"
Yes. I think a link was unapproved so any replies to it were also deleted.
Essentially the actual Deltapoll survey is now out in full if you search for it on their site.
The Sun missed out a whopping bit of data. In response to the question;
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
Many Remainers have also given the reason in this as to why there is an appetite for hard Brexit.
They want the consequences of this decision to be felt in full by the population of the country.
I disagree. I think it would take a generation to recover. We might never do so. Not an acceptable consequence of proving a point.
This is even more clear when you look at the age profiles in response to the questions. The young who will have to live through the consequences are very strongly opposed to Brexit in any form. The old, who don't even have to worry about work are very strongly in favour.
Those who will not be suffering the consequences are eager to impose their views on those who will and by the time it comes into effect the demographic balance will have tipped. |
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"They want the consequences of this decision to be felt in full by the population of the country."
I most certainly fall into the group that want everyone bar the super rich tories like bojo, jrm, may et all to feel the full force of brexit and be forced to 'see' exactly what the tories are all about. |
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"Have a load of posts been deleted ?
Yes. I think a link was unapproved so any replies to it were also deleted.
Essentially the actual Deltapoll survey is now out in full if you search for it on their site.
The Sun missed out a whopping bit of data. In response to the question;
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
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Wrong. The Sun didn't miss it out. That data was published in the Sun on Sunday in the write up. I have the newspaper and it's there in print. |
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"They want the consequences of this decision to be felt in full by the population of the country.
I most certainly fall into the group that want everyone bar the super rich tories like bojo, jrm, may et all to feel the full force of brexit and be forced to 'see' exactly what the tories are all about."
Of course you do Will, you voted Leave too remember. |
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"Of course you do Will, you voted Leave too remember. "
I did, just like you.
The difference between us is I had a reasonable idea what I was voting for and why, you still refuse to even concede your fantasy brexit may have any sort of downside.
You would do well to take 10 minutes to watch this video and note how this pro brexit farmer is OK with food shortages if that is what brexit brings because he is mainly self sufficient.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtkN4r-T054
Do you own a 4000 acre farm Centy? Or are you and your family part of those he is OK seeing going without food? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Have a load of posts been deleted ?
Yes. I think a link was unapproved so any replies to it were also deleted.
Essentially the actual Deltapoll survey is now out in full if you search for it on their site.
The Sun missed out a whopping bit of data. In response to the question;
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
Wrong. The Sun didn't miss it out. That data was published in the Sun on Sunday in the write up. I have the newspaper and it's there in print. "
I don't buy either publication.
I cannot see that piece of information on The Sun website or The Express or in your post.
What is your opinion on that poll result considering you feel that there is an "overwhelming" desire for Brexit at any cost?
Your view on the demographics of the poll would also be interesting if you can manage something more interesting than "we voted on it, get over it" |
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"Have a load of posts been deleted ?
Yes. I think a link was unapproved so any replies to it were also deleted.
Essentially the actual Deltapoll survey is now out in full if you search for it on their site.
The Sun missed out a whopping bit of data. In response to the question;
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
Wrong. The Sun didn't miss it out. That data was published in the Sun on Sunday in the write up. I have the newspaper and it's there in print. "
frustrating they didn’t put this on their website. You’d think it would be the other way around !! Did they break it down by remain versus leave. To me that’s the interesting stat. |
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over a year ago
West London |
"Have a load of posts been deleted ?
Yes. I think a link was unapproved so any replies to it were also deleted.
Essentially the actual Deltapoll survey is now out in full if you search for it on their site.
The Sun missed out a whopping bit of data. In response to the question;
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
Wrong. The Sun didn't miss it out. That data was published in the Sun on Sunday in the write up. I have the newspaper and it's there in print. frustrating they didn’t put this on their website. You’d think it would be the other way around !! Did they break it down by remain versus leave. To me that’s the interesting stat. "
Everything is broken down by age, region, precious vote and socio-economic group.
18% Leave, 74% Remain, 41% No vote agree
57% Leave, 9% Remain, 15% No vote disagree
It does make the rest of the poll result seem rather strange. The human mind is strange indeed as this implies that more Leave voters think Brexit is a disaster than are prepared to change their vote  |
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Its funny isn't it .they have now said the hysterics of some of the remain camp is now considered to be a condition now known as brexit anxiety disorder .come on some need to get a grip with themselves .it beggers belief this .OK maybe both sides are not acting normally but which side is behaving the more ludicrous. . Before calling anyone who voted leave THICK maybe they should take a good hard long look at themselves |
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over a year ago
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"Its funny isn't it .they have now said the hysterics of some of the remain camp is now considered to be a condition now known as brexit anxiety disorder .come on some need to get a grip with themselves .it beggers belief this .OK maybe both sides are not acting normally but which side is behaving the more ludicrous. . Before calling anyone who voted leave THICK maybe they should take a good hard long look at themselves "
Are you saying that people who think that this is going to have such a negative effect on them that it is leading to mental health issues should just "get a grip"?
Good advice to everyone suffering from stress, depression or anxiety I'm sure  |
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"Its funny isn't it .they have now said the hysterics of some of the remain camp is now considered to be a condition now known as brexit anxiety disorder .come on some need to get a grip with themselves .it beggers belief this .OK maybe both sides are not acting normally but which side is behaving the more ludicrous. . Before calling anyone who voted leave THICK maybe they should take a good hard long look at themselves
Are you saying that people who think that this is going to have such a negative effect on them that it is leading to mental health issues should just "get a grip"?
Good advice to everyone suffering from stress, depression or anxiety I'm sure "
so your saying ppl who THINK this is going to have a negative effect on them is leading to mental health issues for gods sake man get a grip I think they are trying to pull a week of work |
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"Have a load of posts been deleted ?
Yes. I think a link was unapproved so any replies to it were also deleted.
Essentially the actual Deltapoll survey is now out in full if you search for it on their site.
The Sun missed out a whopping bit of data. In response to the question;
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
Wrong. The Sun didn't miss it out. That data was published in the Sun on Sunday in the write up. I have the newspaper and it's there in print.
I don't buy either publication.
I cannot see that piece of information on The Sun website or The Express or in your post.
What is your opinion on that poll result considering you feel that there is an "overwhelming" desire for Brexit at any cost?
Your view on the demographics of the poll would also be interesting if you can manage something more interesting than "we voted on it, get over it" "
It's become abundantly clear as this thread has developed that you haven't got a clue what you're talking about when it comes to this poll. You continue to post comments on this poll even though you don't have a hard copy in print of the original newspaper it appeared in. How can you claim to 'know' what is or isn't in the poll if you don't even have an original hard copy in print? You've already been proved wrong once on this thread when you said the sample size wasn't given and I showed it was. Pbandjam91 quickly found the sample size online posting on another thread on Sunday night, very strange that you couldn't find it???
The Deltapoll/Sun on Sunday poll also gave the state of the parties at the moment which I didn't include in the OP either, Labour on 40%, Conservative on 37%, Lib dems on 8%, SNP 3%, Plaid 1%, Green 5%, independents 1% and ukip on 6% (up from 4% at the general election). The party leader ratings were also given as Jeremy Corby on -35, Vince Cable on -28, and Theresa May on -26, (she was higher before chequers). This is yet more evidence as Deltapoll director Martin Boon said in the conclusion that the findings show people are taking a tougher stance on brexit.
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"Its funny isn't it .they have now said the hysterics of some of the remain camp is now considered to be a condition now known as brexit anxiety disorder .come on some need to get a grip with themselves .it beggers belief this .OK maybe both sides are not acting normally but which side is behaving the more ludicrous. . Before calling anyone who voted leave THICK maybe they should take a good hard long look at themselves "
It was reported in the news just after the referendum result in 2016 that psychiatrists and shrinks had seen a sharp increase in remainers seeking help for their services because they couldn't come to terms with the result. Now you say the health professionals have given the condition a name, I think a few likely candidates/sufferers are posters on this forum. Maybe they should go and seek medical help for their illness. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Have a load of posts been deleted ?
Yes. I think a link was unapproved so any replies to it were also deleted.
Essentially the actual Deltapoll survey is now out in full if you search for it on their site.
The Sun missed out a whopping bit of data. In response to the question;
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
Wrong. The Sun didn't miss it out. That data was published in the Sun on Sunday in the write up. I have the newspaper and it's there in print.
I don't buy either publication.
I cannot see that piece of information on The Sun website or The Express or in your post.
What is your opinion on that poll result considering you feel that there is an "overwhelming" desire for Brexit at any cost?
Your view on the demographics of the poll would also be interesting if you can manage something more interesting than "we voted on it, get over it"
It's become abundantly clear as this thread has developed that you haven't got a clue what you're talking about when it comes to this poll. You continue to post comments on this poll even though you don't have a hard copy in print of the original newspaper it appeared in. How can you claim to 'know' what is or isn't in the poll if you don't even have an original hard copy in print? You've already been proved wrong once on this thread when you said the sample size wasn't given and I showed it was. Pbandjam91 quickly found the sample size online posting on another thread on Sunday night, very strange that you couldn't find it???
The Deltapoll/Sun on Sunday poll also gave the state of the parties at the moment which I didn't include in the OP either, Labour on 40%, Conservative on 37%, Lib dems on 8%, SNP 3%, Plaid 1%, Green 5%, independents 1% and ukip on 6% (up from 4% at the general election). The party leader ratings were also given as Jeremy Corby on -35, Vince Cable on -28, and Theresa May on -26, (she was higher before chequers). This is yet more evidence as Deltapoll director Martin Boon said in the conclusion that the findings show people are taking a tougher stance on brexit.
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I am looking at the ACTUAL data on the Deltapoll website now that it is available, not a newspaper article which picks and chooses what to publish.
The sample size was added to The Sun web page after publishing. It was given on The Express. I may have missed it too for which I am terribly sorry as it seems important to you.
If you feel that me not knowing this information immediately proves an point about the substance of the information then I'd be interested to know what that might be.
Good deflection though.
What is your opinion on this piece of information that the poll asked but is not on the website or in your initial post?
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
What is your opinion on the demographic trend that those starting their careers or early in them want a vote on the final deal and would rather not have Brexit than those who are closer to retirement or retired and will be least effected by the result? |
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"Have a load of posts been deleted ?
Yes. I think a link was unapproved so any replies to it were also deleted.
Essentially the actual Deltapoll survey is now out in full if you search for it on their site.
The Sun missed out a whopping bit of data. In response to the question;
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
Wrong. The Sun didn't miss it out. That data was published in the Sun on Sunday in the write up. I have the newspaper and it's there in print. frustrating they didn’t put this on their website. You’d think it would be the other way around !! Did they break it down by remain versus leave. To me that’s the interesting stat.
Everything is broken down by age, region, precious vote and socio-economic group.
18% Leave, 74% Remain, 41% No vote agree
57% Leave, 9% Remain, 15% No vote disagree
It does make the rest of the poll result seem rather strange. The human mind is strange indeed as this implies that more Leave voters think Brexit is a disaster than are prepared to change their vote "
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over a year ago
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"Its funny isn't it .they have now said the hysterics of some of the remain camp is now considered to be a condition now known as brexit anxiety disorder .come on some need to get a grip with themselves .it beggers belief this .OK maybe both sides are not acting normally but which side is behaving the more ludicrous. . Before calling anyone who voted leave THICK maybe they should take a good hard long look at themselves
It was reported in the news just after the referendum result in 2016 that psychiatrists and shrinks had seen a sharp increase in remainers seeking help for their services because they couldn't come to terms with the result. Now you say the health professionals have given the condition a name, I think a few likely candidates/sufferers are posters on this forum. Maybe they should go and seek medical help for their illness. "
Perhaps if you were an EU national or you have family members who are or if your business depends on tariff free access to the EU it might prove to be a pretty stressful psychological shock.
Good empathy. Again. |
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"Its funny isn't it .they have now said the hysterics of some of the remain camp is now considered to be a condition now known as brexit anxiety disorder .come on some need to get a grip with themselves .it beggers belief this .OK maybe both sides are not acting normally but which side is behaving the more ludicrous. . Before calling anyone who voted leave THICK maybe they should take a good hard long look at themselves
It was reported in the news just after the referendum result in 2016 that psychiatrists and shrinks had seen a sharp increase in remainers seeking help for their services because they couldn't come to terms with the result. Now you say the health professionals have given the condition a name, I think a few likely candidates/sufferers are posters on this forum. Maybe they should go and seek medical help for their illness.
Perhaps if you were an EU national or you have family members who are or if your business depends on tariff free access to the EU it might prove to be a pretty stressful psychological shock.
Good empathy. Again."
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over a year ago
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"Its funny isn't it .they have now said the hysterics of some of the remain camp is now considered to be a condition now known as brexit anxiety disorder .come on some need to get a grip with themselves .it beggers belief this .OK maybe both sides are not acting normally but which side is behaving the more ludicrous. . Before calling anyone who voted leave THICK maybe they should take a good hard long look at themselves
It was reported in the news just after the referendum result in 2016 that psychiatrists and shrinks had seen a sharp increase in remainers seeking help for their services because they couldn't come to terms with the result. Now you say the health professionals have given the condition a name, I think a few likely candidates/sufferers are posters on this forum. Maybe they should go and seek medical help for their illness.
Perhaps if you were an EU national or you have family members who are or if your business depends on tariff free access to the EU it might prove to be a pretty stressful psychological shock.
Good empathy. Again.
Run along and make an appointment, you clearly need it. "
Equally impressive levels of compassion.
Good deflection again.
What is your opinion on this piece of information that the poll asked but is not on the website or in your initial post?
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
What is your opinion on the demographic trend that those starting their careers or early in them want a vote on the final deal and would rather not have Brexit than those who are closer to retirement or retired and will be least effected by the result? |
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"Its funny isn't it .they have now said the hysterics of some of the remain camp is now considered to be a condition now known as brexit anxiety disorder .come on some need to get a grip with themselves .it beggers belief this .OK maybe both sides are not acting normally but which side is behaving the more ludicrous. . Before calling anyone who voted leave THICK maybe they should take a good hard long look at themselves
It was reported in the news just after the referendum result in 2016 that psychiatrists and shrinks had seen a sharp increase in remainers seeking help for their services because they couldn't come to terms with the result. Now you say the health professionals have given the condition a name, I think a few likely candidates/sufferers are posters on this forum. Maybe they should go and seek medical help for their illness.
Perhaps if you were an EU national or you have family members who are or if your business depends on tariff free access to the EU it might prove to be a pretty stressful psychological shock.
Good empathy. Again.
Run along and make an appointment, you clearly need it.
Equally impressive levels of compassion.
Good deflection again.
What is your opinion on this piece of information that the poll asked but is not on the website or in your initial post?
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
What is your opinion on the demographic trend that those starting their careers or early in them want a vote on the final deal and would rather not have Brexit than those who are closer to retirement or retired and will be least effected by the result?"
compassion for gods sake you said ppl were suffering mental health problems because of the fear of what brexit may bring REALY how bloody stupid does that sound do doctors give out anti depressants now just Incase prevention is better than cure eh |
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"Its funny isn't it .they have now said the hysterics of some of the remain camp is now considered to be a condition now known as brexit anxiety disorder .come on some need to get a grip with themselves .it beggers belief this .OK maybe both sides are not acting normally but which side is behaving the more ludicrous. . Before calling anyone who voted leave THICK maybe they should take a good hard long look at themselves
It was reported in the news just after the referendum result in 2016 that psychiatrists and shrinks had seen a sharp increase in remainers seeking help for their services because they couldn't come to terms with the result. Now you say the health professionals have given the condition a name, I think a few likely candidates/sufferers are posters on this forum. Maybe they should go and seek medical help for their illness.
Perhaps if you were an EU national or you have family members who are or if your business depends on tariff free access to the EU it might prove to be a pretty stressful psychological shock.
Good empathy. Again.
Run along and make an appointment, you clearly need it.
Equally impressive levels of compassion.
Good deflection again.
What is your opinion on this piece of information that the poll asked but is not on the website or in your initial post?
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
What is your opinion on the demographic trend that those starting their careers or early in them want a vote on the final deal and would rather not have Brexit than those who are closer to retirement or retired and will be least effected by the result? compassion for gods sake you said ppl were suffering mental health problems because of the fear of what brexit may bring REALY how bloody stupid does that sound do doctors give out anti depressants now just Incase prevention is better than cure eh "
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over a year ago
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"Your normaly a sensible guy and post interesting things I always read what you have to say but this is bloody silly mate "
You honestly don't think that of you thought that you or your family were going to have to leave the country that you thought was your home you wouldn't be at all stressed.
Most of my European colleagues felt, and still feel, that every other person that they meet, that they work with every day, doesn't want them there.
If your business relied on European trade you would not be anxious?
People react differently to stress. They are not you or me.
So yes, I find it strange but can fully understand how it could have a big effect on people.
I have no idea what this "diagnosis" is anyway. Is it being generally sad or deeply depressed.
Apparently Leavers are ecstatic about the result and cannot wait for q no deal Brexit. That is simply the opposite condition which you could conclude is more worthy of a psychiatric evaluation considering the potential consequences. |
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"Your normaly a sensible guy and post interesting things I always read what you have to say but this is bloody silly mate
You honestly don't think that of you thought that you or your family were going to have to leave the country that you thought was your home you wouldn't be at all stressed.
Most of my European colleagues felt, and still feel, that every other person that they meet, that they work with every day, doesn't want them there.
If your business relied on European trade you would not be anxious?
People react differently to stress. They are not you or me.
So yes, I find it strange but can fully understand how it could have a big effect on people.
I have no idea what this "diagnosis" is anyway. Is it being generally sad or deeply depressed.
Apparently Leavers are ecstatic about the result and cannot wait for q no deal Brexit. That is simply the opposite condition which you could conclude is more worthy of a psychiatric evaluation considering the potential consequences."
if you wached the six oclock news just now you will see no one is going to be chucked out and your talking about stress but everybody comes across stress sometime in there lives but don’t blame it on leave voters iv heard of scaremongering but bloody guilt mongering is a new one for me |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Your normaly a sensible guy and post interesting things I always read what you have to say but this is bloody silly mate
You honestly don't think that of you thought that you or your family were going to have to leave the country that you thought was your home you wouldn't be at all stressed.
Most of my European colleagues felt, and still feel, that every other person that they meet, that they work with every day, doesn't want them there.
If your business relied on European trade you would not be anxious?
People react differently to stress. They are not you or me.
So yes, I find it strange but can fully understand how it could have a big effect on people.
I have no idea what this "diagnosis" is anyway. Is it being generally sad or deeply depressed.
Apparently Leavers are ecstatic about the result and cannot wait for q no deal Brexit. That is simply the opposite condition which you could conclude is more worthy of a psychiatric evaluation considering the potential consequences. if you wached the six oclock news just now you will see no one is going to be chucked out and your talking about stress but everybody comes across stress sometime in there lives but don’t blame it on leave voters iv heard of scaremongering but bloody guilt mongering is a new one for me "
Everyone does come across stress. Some can't cope. You are not them. That's the whole point.
What do you believe that our government tells you?
I didn't blame it on Leave voters |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Your blaming brexit tho it’s the same thing if it wasn’t for leave voters there wouldn’t be a brexit "
No, or say the blame lies pretty firmly with the government. If the day after the referendum the government actually reassured people and set clear guidelines as to what was going to happen would probably have helped a lot. They could also have said something along the lines of ‘this doesn’t give you cunts a reason to step up your racist hate crimes’. Maybe then my wife might not have had to step in the day after at a petrol station when some skinhead decided to take it upon himself to tell the Asian woman behind the counter to go home.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"But racism was around before the vote tho some scum will always behave in that way "
They were always there, but they felt that they had license to act on it.
White and dark skinned foreigners this time though. |
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"But racism was around before the vote tho some scum will always behave in that way
They were always there, but they felt that they had license to act on it.
White and dark skinned foreigners this time though."
iv got to say iv seen not heard any evidence of that up here tho but can imagine it’s a lot worse in the big city’s I think it was a lot worse yrs ago tho but I’m no expert |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"But racism was around before the vote tho some scum will always behave in that way
They were always there, but they felt that they had license to act on it.
White and dark skinned foreigners this time though. iv got to say iv seen not heard any evidence of that up here tho but can imagine it’s a lot worse in the big city’s I think it was a lot worse yrs ago tho but I’m no expert "
It's a change of mood. A cold wind which caught a lot of people unaware because, like you, they thought things had changed.
Off topic though.
What about Centaur's poll that proves him right about everything ever? |
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"Your blaming brexit tho it’s the same thing if it wasn’t for leave voters there wouldn’t be a brexit
No, or say the blame lies pretty firmly with the government. If the day after the referendum the government actually reassured people and set clear guidelines as to what was going to happen would probably have helped a lot. They could also have said something along the lines of ‘this doesn’t give you cunts a reason to step up your racist hate crimes’. Maybe then my wife might not have had to step in the day after at a petrol station when some skinhead decided to take it upon himself to tell the Asian woman behind the counter to go home.
-Matt"
Wow! I haven't seen a skin head for years! Did she get a selfie with him? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
Centaur, or any other Leaver, but particularly Centaur:
What is your opinion on this piece of information that the poll asked but is not on the website or in your initial post?
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
What is your opinion on the demographic trend that those starting their careers or early in them want a vote on the final deal and would rather not have Brexit than those who are closer to retirement or retired and will be least effected by the result? |
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"Centaur, or any other Leaver, but particularly Centaur:
What is your opinion on this piece of information that the poll asked but is not on the website or in your initial post?
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
What is your opinion on the demographic trend that those starting their careers or early in them want a vote on the final deal and would rather not have Brexit than those who are closer to retirement or retired and will be least effected by the result?"
Unlike you I don't focus on one tiny aspect of the overall poll as you seem to be doing here. I look at the overall information from the whole poll to make an informed judgement. The information of the overall poll tells me that a majority of the British public still back Brexit, and won't be changing their minds about how they voted. I agree with Deltapoll director Martin Boon's conclusion that the poll shows the public attitude towards brexit is hardening, even in the face of mass scaremongering propaganda from remainers. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Centaur, or any other Leaver, but particularly Centaur:
What is your opinion on this piece of information that the poll asked but is not on the website or in your initial post?
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
What is your opinion on the demographic trend that those starting their careers or early in them want a vote on the final deal and would rather not have Brexit than those who are closer to retirement or retired and will be least effected by the result?
Unlike you I don't focus on one tiny aspect of the overall poll as you seem to be doing here. I look at the overall information from the whole poll to make an informed judgement. The information of the overall poll tells me that a majority of the British public still back Brexit, and won't be changing their minds about how they voted. I agree with Deltapoll director Martin Boon's conclusion that the poll shows the public attitude towards brexit is hardening, even in the face of mass scaremongering propaganda from remainers. "
Actually, if you include the single most important question, (which you continue to avoid commenting on) the conclusion is that the majority of the British people think that Brexit is a mistake but most wouldn't change their vote and want to go ahead with it anyway.
I, personally, find that perplexing and ambiguous.
Nothing on the demographics? |
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"Centaur, or any other Leaver, but particularly Centaur:
What is your opinion on this piece of information that the poll asked but is not on the website or in your initial post?
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
What is your opinion on the demographic trend that those starting their careers or early in them want a vote on the final deal and would rather not have Brexit than those who are closer to retirement or retired and will be least effected by the result?
Unlike you I don't focus on one tiny aspect of the overall poll as you seem to be doing here. I look at the overall information from the whole poll to make an informed judgement. The information of the overall poll tells me that a majority of the British public still back Brexit, and won't be changing their minds about how they voted. I agree with Deltapoll director Martin Boon's conclusion that the poll shows the public attitude towards brexit is hardening, even in the face of mass scaremongering propaganda from remainers.
Actually, if you include the single most important question, (which you continue to avoid commenting on) the conclusion is that the majority of the British people think that Brexit is a mistake but most wouldn't change their vote and want to go ahead with it anyway.
I, personally, find that perplexing and ambiguous.
Nothing on the demographics?"
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I can’t see the evidence to support deltapolls statement. For one, how can a direction of travel be measured from one poll ?
If there is evidence of “hardening” it seems to be despite thinking is a bad idea. It’s like, we’ve made our bed, so we will lie in it. Hardly resounding support for brexit.
More people want a second reforendum of some nature, than don’t.
About 1 in 10 people have changed their mind. (And given a 90% confidence interval of 4% I suspect there is no significant difference between leavers and remainers)
Saying we should leave, like it or not, is not positive ...especially when almost half think it is a historic mistake and people are now realising it (note: one would disagree to this statement if you thought brexit was a mistake but people aren’t realising it!)
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"But racism was around before the vote tho some scum will always behave in that way
They were always there, but they felt that they had license to act on it.
White and dark skinned foreigners this time though. iv got to say iv seen not heard any evidence of that up here tho but can imagine it’s a lot worse in the big city’s I think it was a lot worse yrs ago tho but I’m no expert
It's a change of mood. A cold wind which caught a lot of people unaware because, like you, they thought things had changed.
Off topic though.
What about Centaur's poll that proves him right about everything ever? "
it depends we’re you live I suppose personally iv not come across racism in decades not seen or heard any but I’m probably lucky but the poll yr onabout it’s like most polls ppl read them the way that is easy on there own eye I don’t tend to take much notice of them tbh with you most arnt worth the paper therevwritten on |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Centaur, or any other Leaver, but particularly Centaur:
What is your opinion on this piece of information that the poll asked but is not on the website or in your initial post?
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
What is your opinion on the demographic trend that those starting their careers or early in them want a vote on the final deal and would rather not have Brexit than those who are closer to retirement or retired and will be least effected by the result?
Unlike you I don't focus on one tiny aspect of the overall poll as you seem to be doing here. I look at the overall information from the whole poll to make an informed judgement. The information of the overall poll tells me that a majority of the British public still back Brexit, and won't be changing their minds about how they voted. I agree with Deltapoll director Martin Boon's conclusion that the poll shows the public attitude towards brexit is hardening, even in the face of mass scaremongering propaganda from remainers.
Actually, if you include the single most important question, (which you continue to avoid commenting on) the conclusion is that the majority of the British people think that Brexit is a mistake but most wouldn't change their vote and want to go ahead with it anyway.
I, personally, find that perplexing and ambiguous.
Nothing on the demographics?
That you find it the most important question is only your own opinion. I don't find it the most important question. "
You say;
"The information of the overall poll tells me that a majority of the British public still back Brexit"
The poll asks;
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
As you wish.
What about the demographics? |
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"Centaur, or any other Leaver, but particularly Centaur:
What is your opinion on this piece of information that the poll asked but is not on the website or in your initial post?
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
What is your opinion on the demographic trend that those starting their careers or early in them want a vote on the final deal and would rather not have Brexit than those who are closer to retirement or retired and will be least effected by the result?
Unlike you I don't focus on one tiny aspect of the overall poll as you seem to be doing here. I look at the overall information from the whole poll to make an informed judgement. The information of the overall poll tells me that a majority of the British public still back Brexit, and won't be changing their minds about how they voted. I agree with Deltapoll director Martin Boon's conclusion that the poll shows the public attitude towards brexit is hardening, even in the face of mass scaremongering propaganda from remainers.
Actually, if you include the single most important question, (which you continue to avoid commenting on) the conclusion is that the majority of the British people think that Brexit is a mistake but most wouldn't change their vote and want to go ahead with it anyway.
I, personally, find that perplexing and ambiguous.
Nothing on the demographics?
That you find it the most important question is only your own opinion. I don't find it the most important question.
You say;
"The information of the overall poll tells me that a majority of the British public still back Brexit"
The poll asks;
"Brexit is an historic mistake and only
now people are realising it"
44% agreed
30% disagree
As you wish.
What about the demographics?"
I'm more determined to leave than ever and its all down to the moaners who can't and won't accept a democratic vote result . |
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