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"No. We need to just get out and stop been bullied by the EU " Get out without a deal? | |||
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"No. We need to just get out and stop been bullied by the likes of Bojo and Moggsy " there... changed for accuracy....  | |||
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"Yep Theresa May has lost the plot!! We need to reject the current proposal to leave Europe ! We certainly should consider our position and now most of us can see what damage brexit is doing to both our economy and Europe’s, perhaps we need a new referendum and a coalition government to manage and negotiate our position"  And if some people don't like the results of the new referendum, they can keep whining until another referendum happens ad infinitum. | |||
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"No. We need to just get out and stop been bullied by the EU Get out without a deal? " a deal ? Do you really think the EU are gonna stop dealing with us ? | |||
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"No. We need to just get out and stop been bullied by the EU "  | |||
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"No. We need to just get out and stop been bullied by the likes of Bojo and Moggsy there... changed for accuracy.... "i know what i said . It does not need changing thanks | |||
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"No. We need to just get out and stop been bullied by the EU " Exactly this | |||
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"No. We need to just get out and stop been bullied by the EU Exactly this " | |||
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"No. We need to just get out and stop been bullied by the likes of Bojo and Moggsy there... changed for accuracy.... i know what i said . It does not need changing thanks "They need us more than we need them or they would not give a fuck if we left | |||
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"People only summise / guess etc and talk about brexit bring bad and bad things There's billions of good things about brexit In layman's terms 3billin in bad = 9 billion in good . The EU have not even got an argument hence all they can do is threaten is with things .... There's nothing we can't sort out and we will always better ourselves Brexit it is ...." On phone in bed so bad spelling bit you get my drift.. | |||
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"People only summise / guess etc and talk about brexit bring bad and bad things There's billions of good things about brexit In layman's terms 3billin in bad = 9 billion in good . The EU have not even got an argument hence all they can do is threaten is with things .... There's nothing we can't sort out and we will always better ourselves Brexit it is .... On phone in bed so bad spelling bit you get my drift.." i do mate | |||
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"Greece here we come. "I wouldn't mind going to Greece | |||
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"Yep Theresa May has lost the plot!! We need to reject the current proposal to leave Europe ! We certainly should consider our position and now most of us can see what damage brexit is doing to both our economy and Europe’s, perhaps we need a new referendum and a coalition government to manage and negotiate our position" We had a referendum (which we asked for), we voted to leave. Theresa May is not just going off on her own with this. She has a whole raft of specialists and advisors trying to find a way to give us what WE asked for. Unfortunately there are many other agencies (countries/political parties/annoying lawyers) who have their own agendas and are now trying to tell us that we made the wrong choice and stymie any efforts to make a bad situation work. This would be the case no matter who is in power or how the referendum fell. If we voted to stay, Nigel Farage would still be on tv every 5 mins saying how we should leave. Everyone who is trying to block or change what we asked for is doing so with their own agenda, with their own interests at heart. Its about time that these people pulled their heads out of their arses and started working towards a seamless transition. | |||
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"Yep Theresa May has lost the plot!! We need to reject the current proposal to leave Europe ! We certainly should consider our position and now most of us can see what damage brexit is doing to both our economy and Europe’s, perhaps we need a new referendum and a coalition government to manage and negotiate our position We had a referendum (which we asked for), we voted to leave. Theresa May is not just going off on her own with this. She has a whole raft of specialists and advisors trying to find a way to give us what WE asked for. Unfortunately there are many other agencies (countries/political parties/annoying lawyers) who have their own agendas and are now trying to tell us that we made the wrong choice and stymie any efforts to make a bad situation work. This would be the case no matter who is in power or how the referendum fell. If we voted to stay, Nigel Farage would still be on tv every 5 mins saying how we should leave. Everyone who is trying to block or change what we asked for is doing so with their own agenda, with their own interests at heart. Its about time that these people pulled their heads out of their arses and started working towards a seamless transition." Well said | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. " Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us." Vive la difference!  | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. " I've wanted out for longer than that to be honest.
As for disrespectful, did you see the unelected buffoon Donald Tusk's instagram/Twitter pic today? It was a picture of him handing our Prime minster a cake and saying "sorry no cherries". Why anyone would want to remain in this vile club is a mystery, the meeting is Saltzberg was like a gathering of Bond villains. | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us. Vive la difference! "I prefer unity to division. I console myself with the knowledge that Leave voters are dying faster than they're being replaced, and the new generation are more forward-looking. Brexit will be overturned - it's a question of when, not if. | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. I've wanted out for longer than that to be honest.
As for disrespectful, did you see the unelected buffoon Donald Tusk's instagram/Twitter pic today? It was a picture of him handing our Prime minster a cake and saying "sorry no cherries". Why anyone would want to remain in this vile club is a mystery, the meeting is Saltzberg was like a gathering of Bond villains. "Yup, totally disrespectful and utterly disgraceful, he should be ashamed of himself. | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us. Vive la difference!
I prefer unity to division. I console myself with the knowledge that Leave voters are dying faster than they're being replaced, and the new generation are more forward-looking. Brexit will be overturned - it's a question of when, not if."I have no problem with brexit being over turned as long as we join the euro and europe moved towards a sinhle european language. | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us." Precisely why we should leave then. The rest of the EU just don't 'get us', and we 'don't get them' either. We've been drifting apart for years before the referendum came along, we opted out of things like Schengen and the Euro, while the rest of Europe has been moving closer together in 'ever closer union' we've always sought to keep them at arms length. The uk leaving was just a natural progression in the way we've been moving apart for years. | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us. Vive la difference!
I prefer unity to division. I console myself with the knowledge that Leave voters are dying faster than they're being replaced, and the new generation are more forward-looking. Brexit will be overturned - it's a question of when, not if."Sorry, it is the zeitgeist, it cannot be fought by idealism. When we leave with no deal and end up doing better, half the rest will leave and the whole corrupt edifice will crumble. | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. I've wanted out for longer than that to be honest.
As for disrespectful, did you see the unelected buffoon Donald Tusk's instagram/Twitter pic today? It was a picture of him handing our Prime minster a cake and saying "sorry no cherries". Why anyone would want to remain in this vile club is a mystery, the meeting is Saltzberg was like a gathering of Bond villains.
Yup, totally disrespectful and utterly disgraceful, he should be ashamed of himself."Sounds like a pretty accurate summary of the British government's behaviour so far, a 50/50 mix of arrogance and incompetence. | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. I've wanted out for longer than that to be honest.
As for disrespectful, did you see the unelected buffoon Donald Tusk's instagram/Twitter pic today? It was a picture of him handing our Prime minster a cake and saying "sorry no cherries". Why anyone would want to remain in this vile club is a mystery, the meeting is Saltzberg was like a gathering of Bond villains.
Yup, totally disrespectful and utterly disgraceful, he should be ashamed of himself."Tusk is a failed politician in his home country of Poland, as Juncker is in his home country of Luxembourg, so I kind of expected it. That's what the EU is,....The last refuge of failed European politicians. | |||
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"Yep Theresa May has lost the plot!! We need to reject the current proposal to leave Europe ! We certainly should consider our position and now most of us can see what damage brexit is doing to both our economy and Europe’s, perhaps we need a new referendum and a coalition government to manage and negotiate our position And if some people don't like the results of the new referendum, they can keep whining until another referendum happens ad infinitum."You mean like they have done for the last 40 odd years? | |||
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"Yep Theresa May has lost the plot!! We need to reject the current proposal to leave Europe ! We certainly should consider our position and now most of us can see what damage brexit is doing to both our economy and Europe’s, perhaps we need a new referendum and a coalition government to manage and negotiate our position And if some people don't like the results of the new referendum, they can keep whining until another referendum happens ad infinitum.
You mean like they have done for the last 40 odd years?"Shhhh... It's only Remainers who are undemocratic enemies of the people. | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. I've wanted out for longer than that to be honest.
As for disrespectful, did you see the unelected buffoon Donald Tusk's instagram/Twitter pic today? It was a picture of him handing our Prime minster a cake and saying "sorry no cherries". Why anyone would want to remain in this vile club is a mystery, the meeting is Saltzberg was like a gathering of Bond villains.
Yup, totally disrespectful and utterly disgraceful, he should be ashamed of himself.
Tusk is a failed politician in his home country of Poland, as Juncker is in his home country of Luxembourg, so I kind of expected it. That's what the EU is,....The last refuge of failed European politicians. "Yup, like the Kinnocks and that slimeball conservative who's name I cannot recall...ugh! Unelectable and unaccountable and no doubt filthy rich now at our expense. How could anyone want anything so corrupt preserved, tear it all down and start again! | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. I've wanted out for longer than that to be honest.
As for disrespectful, did you see the unelected buffoon Donald Tusk's instagram/Twitter pic today? It was a picture of him handing our Prime minster a cake and saying "sorry no cherries". Why anyone would want to remain in this vile club is a mystery, the meeting is Saltzberg was like a gathering of Bond villains.
Yup, totally disrespectful and utterly disgraceful, he should be ashamed of himself.
Tusk is a failed politician in his home country of Poland, as Juncker is in his home country of Luxembourg, so I kind of expected it. That's what the EU is,....The last refuge of failed European politicians.
Yup, like the Kinnocks and that slimeball conservative who's name I cannot recall...ugh! Unelectable and unaccountable and no doubt filthy rich now at our expense. How could anyone want anything so corrupt preserved, tear it all down and start again!"They're no more unelected and unaccountable than our own civil service. They're appointed by the (elected) heads of state and approved by the (elected) parliament. Stop parroting the garbage the tabloids have been spouting for decades and look at how things actually work. | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us. Vive la difference!
I prefer unity to division. I console myself with the knowledge that Leave voters are dying faster than they're being replaced, and the new generation are more forward-looking. Brexit will be overturned - it's a question of when, not if.
Sorry, it is the zeitgeist, it cannot be fought by idealism. When we leave with no deal and end up doing better, half the rest will leave and the whole corrupt edifice will crumble."You're correct in that the EU is a house of cards. Hungary is already half way there (on the path to leaving), as the EU voted for article 7 last week in the European Parliament. Otherwise known as the 'nuclear option', article 7 is where the EU imposes sanctions on its own member states. The EU is going to strip Hungary of its voting rights in the European Parliament along with other sanctions and this will only fuel the already growing Euroscepticism in Hungary. | |||
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"No. We need to just get out and stop been bullied by the EU Get out without a deal? a deal ? Do you really think the EU are gonna stop dealing with us ? " Well, both parties still need to agree the terms on which they trade with one another. The big problem, which seems blindingly obvious, is that we are simultaneously trying to negotiate to have as good as, or better, terms as the ones we had whilst we were in the EU, whilst saying we want to leave the EU. | |||
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"Yep Theresa May has lost the plot!! We need to reject the current proposal to leave Europe ! We certainly should consider our position and now most of us can see what damage brexit is doing to both our economy and Europe’s, perhaps we need a new referendum and a coalition government to manage and negotiate our position" We don't know what the proposal is. The negations haven't finished and no agreement has been arrived at yet. It has only just been realised that the Backstop May is against, will annex Northern Ireland from the UK. The EU leaders agree this cannot happen. People still blame Cameron for walking away when he was a staunch remainer, so how would Brexit fair with a change in Govt or PM - absolute chaos? Either the deal is acceptable or the house should vote it out. I think negotiations have gone too far to remain. | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. I've wanted out for longer than that to be honest.
As for disrespectful, did you see the unelected buffoon Donald Tusk's instagram/Twitter pic today? It was a picture of him handing our Prime minster a cake and saying "sorry no cherries". Why anyone would want to remain in this vile club is a mystery, the meeting is Saltzberg was like a gathering of Bond villains.
Yup, totally disrespectful and utterly disgraceful, he should be ashamed of himself.
Tusk is a failed politician in his home country of Poland, as Juncker is in his home country of Luxembourg, so I kind of expected it. That's what the EU is,....The last refuge of failed European politicians.
Yup, like the Kinnocks and that slimeball conservative who's name I cannot recall...ugh! Unelectable and unaccountable and no doubt filthy rich now at our expense. How could anyone want anything so corrupt preserved, tear it all down and start again!
They're no more unelected and unaccountable than our own civil service. They're appointed by the (elected) heads of state and approved by the (elected) parliament. Stop parroting the garbage the tabloids have been spouting for decades and look at how things actually work."Not parotting anyone sweetcheecks, I don't read the tabloids - I simply have eyes. | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. I've wanted out for longer than that to be honest.
As for disrespectful, did you see the unelected buffoon Donald Tusk's instagram/Twitter pic today? It was a picture of him handing our Prime minster a cake and saying "sorry no cherries". Why anyone would want to remain in this vile club is a mystery, the meeting is Saltzberg was like a gathering of Bond villains.
Yup, totally disrespectful and utterly disgraceful, he should be ashamed of himself.
Tusk is a failed politician in his home country of Poland, as Juncker is in his home country of Luxembourg, so I kind of expected it. That's what the EU is,....The last refuge of failed European politicians.
Yup, like the Kinnocks and that slimeball conservative who's name I cannot recall...ugh! Unelectable and unaccountable and no doubt filthy rich now at our expense. How could anyone want anything so corrupt preserved, tear it all down and start again!
They're no more unelected and unaccountable than our own civil service. They're appointed by the (elected) heads of state and approved by the (elected) parliament. Stop parroting the garbage the tabloids have been spouting for decades and look at how things actually work." | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. " By arrogance do you mean consistently telling us the same thing they have since the referendum and refusing to give into our demands? Grow up. | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. By arrogance do you mean consistently telling us the same thing they have since the referendum and refusing to give into our demands? Grow up." Oh I am quite fully grown I assure you. No, arrogance is an attitude, and one that I consistently observe in the Europeans. They are trying to penalise the UK in order to deter other countries from leaving, it's obvious, but they are shaking in their boots. We need to call their bluff now. | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. I've wanted out for longer than that to be honest.
As for disrespectful, did you see the unelected buffoon Donald Tusk's instagram/Twitter pic today? It was a picture of him handing our Prime minster a cake and saying "sorry no cherries". Why anyone would want to remain in this vile club is a mystery, the meeting is Saltzberg was like a gathering of Bond villains.
Yup, totally disrespectful and utterly disgraceful, he should be ashamed of himself.
Tusk is a failed politician in his home country of Poland, as Juncker is in his home country of Luxembourg, so I kind of expected it. That's what the EU is,....The last refuge of failed European politicians.
Yup, like the Kinnocks and that slimeball conservative who's name I cannot recall...ugh! Unelectable and unaccountable and no doubt filthy rich now at our expense. How could anyone want anything so corrupt preserved, tear it all down and start again!
They're no more unelected and unaccountable than our own civil service. They're appointed by the (elected) heads of state and approved by the (elected) parliament. Stop parroting the garbage the tabloids have been spouting for decades and look at how things actually work.""Look at how things actually work", that's a laugh. Suggest you have a look at how the EU was condemned by its own watchdog a few weeks ago, breaking pretty much every rule in the EU rule book to appoint the German Europhile Martin Selmayer. The EU is a cesspit of corruption which is now condemned by its own watchdog. That's how the EU "actually works". | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. By arrogance do you mean consistently telling us the same thing they have since the referendum and refusing to give into our demands? Grow up." That would be it. Didn't anyone tell you we're entitled to all the unicorns and candyfloss we want because we had a vote on it. And the candyfloss won't rot our teeth or make us fat, either. | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. By arrogance do you mean consistently telling us the same thing they have since the referendum and refusing to give into our demands? Grow up. Oh I am quite fully grown I assure you. No, arrogance is an attitude, and one that I consistently observe in the Europeans. They are trying to penalise the UK in order to deter other countries from leaving, it's obvious, but they are shaking in their boots. We need to call their bluff now." No, we're penalising ourselves. We've chosen to do this to ourselves. | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. By arrogance do you mean consistently telling us the same thing they have since the referendum and refusing to give into our demands? Grow up. Oh I am quite fully grown I assure you. No, arrogance is an attitude, and one that I consistently observe in the Europeans. They are trying to penalise the UK in order to deter other countries from leaving, it's obvious, but they are shaking in their boots. We need to call their bluff now." Are they trying to penalise is? Brexit is actually a bit like a Monty Python sketch. U.K.: We’d like to leave the EU! EU: Sure. We’ll just have to sort out some sort of deal before you do. U.K.: Sounds great. We’d basically like all the benefits of being in the EU. EU: Don’t be stupid. That’s called ‘Being in the EU! | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. By arrogance do you mean consistently telling us the same thing they have since the referendum and refusing to give into our demands? Grow up. Oh I am quite fully grown I assure you. No, arrogance is an attitude, and one that I consistently observe in the Europeans. They are trying to penalise the UK in order to deter other countries from leaving, it's obvious, but they are shaking in their boots. We need to call their bluff now. Are they trying to penalise is? Brexit is actually a bit like a Monty Python sketch. U.K.: We’d like to leave the EU! EU: Sure. We’ll just have to sort out some sort of deal before you do. U.K.: Sounds great. We’d basically like all the benefits of being in the EU. EU: Don’t be stupid. That’s called ‘Being in the EU!"  | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. By arrogance do you mean consistently telling us the same thing they have since the referendum and refusing to give into our demands? Grow up. Oh I am quite fully grown I assure you. No, arrogance is an attitude, and one that I consistently observe in the Europeans. They are trying to penalise the UK in order to deter other countries from leaving, it's obvious, but they are shaking in their boots. We need to call their bluff now. Are they trying to penalise is? Brexit is actually a bit like a Monty Python sketch. U.K.: We’d like to leave the EU! EU: Sure. We’ll just have to sort out some sort of deal before you do. U.K.: Sounds great. We’d basically like all the benefits of being in the EU. EU: Don’t be stupid. That’s called ‘Being in the EU!" You read too many papers | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. By arrogance do you mean consistently telling us the same thing they have since the referendum and refusing to give into our demands? Grow up. Oh I am quite fully grown I assure you. No, arrogance is an attitude, and one that I consistently observe in the Europeans. They are trying to penalise the UK in order to deter other countries from leaving, it's obvious, but they are shaking in their boots. We need to call their bluff now." Again spot on.
This narrative of 'European unity" in brexit negotiations is nothing more than a fallacy and an illusion put out by remain leaning media.
As the President of Hungary Victor Orban exposed the divisions within the EU yesterday when he said there were now 2 separate groups within the EU27, one group wants to punish Britain for leaving while the other group (which includes Hungary) wants a sensible and fair Brexit deal for the UK. | |||
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"Are we going to follow the EU and French Presidents instructions to change the electorate? Or just keep voting until we do what the EU tells us to think, a bit like Ireland and others. We are the second sometimes third largest economy in the EU. The people voted to leave. The policies duty is to serve the people not a range of external protectionist clubs! We traded with the EU before we joined successfully. We will continue to trade with them after we leave. We are their biggest internal export market. Are they going to damage their own economies by throwing their toys out of the pram? Lots of sound and fury being bandied about but its "the economy stupid" said a former US president. On that basis deal or no deal the EU cannot afford to further damage the economies if it's member states who rely on us as a market for their goods and services no matter what public sabre rattling they may indulge in. " The fact that something is damaging doesn't mean it won't happen. The EU has it's own red lines, particularly around the integrity of the single market and customs union. Losing those would hurt far more than a no deal Brexit. | |||
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"Are we going to follow the EU and French Presidents instructions to change the electorate? Or just keep voting until we do what the EU tells us to think, a bit like Ireland and others. We are the second sometimes third largest economy in the EU. The people voted to leave. The policies duty is to serve the people not a range of external protectionist clubs! We traded with the EU before we joined successfully. We will continue to trade with them after we leave. We are their biggest internal export market. Are they going to damage their own economies by throwing their toys out of the pram? Lots of sound and fury being bandied about but its "the economy stupid" said a former US president. On that basis deal or no deal the EU cannot afford to further damage the economies if it's member states who rely on us as a market for their goods and services no matter what public sabre rattling they may indulge in. The fact that something is damaging doesn't mean it won't happen. The EU has it's own red lines, particularly around the integrity of the single market and customs union. Losing those would hurt far more than a no deal Brexit." The single market and customs union are nothing more than a protectionist zone designed to keep others out or restrict msrket access and maintain the economies of the club members. They mean little as the EU already trades with countries outside the EU! Once the economies of its members lose out by brexit, as they will because they sell more to us than we do to them, the economic realities will change their perceptions and their own economic position. At that point economics will always take precedence over politics. | |||
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"Gotta love these remoaners . Let's have a democratic vote to leave or stay . Oh wait !@@ we lost .Let's have another one . A gift that keeps giving "I think you'll find it was the leave side that wanted the referendum, having spent 40 complaining about the last one. | |||
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"Gotta love these remoaners . Let's have a democratic vote to leave or stay . Oh wait !@@ we lost .Let's have another one . A gift that keeps giving
I think you'll find it was the leave side that wanted the referendum, having spent 40 complaining about the last one. "it worked. We are leaving | |||
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"Gotta love these remoaners . Let's have a democratic vote to leave or stay . Oh wait !@@ we lost .Let's have another one . A gift that keeps giving "Former Lib dem leader Paddy Ashdown said in 2016 just before the referendum, "When the British people speak, you better damn well listen, and if they vote to leave I'll eat my hat". Still waiting for you to eat that hat Paddy! | |||
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"Gotta love these remoaners . Let's have a democratic vote to leave or stay . Oh wait !@@ we lost .Let's have another one . A gift that keeps giving
I think you'll find it was the leave side that wanted the referendum, having spent 40 complaining about the last one. it worked. We are leaving "So that means the Remainers can keep "banging on" about another vote until they win
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"Gotta love these remoaners . Let's have a democratic vote to leave or stay . Oh wait !@@ we lost .Let's have another one . A gift that keeps giving
I think you'll find it was the leave side that wanted the referendum, having spent 40 complaining about the last one. "Actually over 80% of MP's in the House of Commons from all parties voted in favour of having the referendum. So not just leave MP's, remain MP's were in favour of it too. | |||
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"Gotta love these remoaners . Let's have a democratic vote to leave or stay . Oh wait !@@ we lost .Let's have another one . A gift that keeps giving
I think you'll find it was the leave side that wanted the referendum, having spent 40 complaining about the last one. it worked. We are leaving
So that means the Remainers can keep "banging on" about another vote until they win
It doesn't work just the one way..."We won . Suck it up buttercup | |||
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"Gotta love these remoaners . Let's have a democratic vote to leave or stay . Oh wait !@@ we lost .Let's have another one . A gift that keeps giving "Why do you personally think we're better off out? | |||
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"Gotta love these remoaners . Let's have a democratic vote to leave or stay . Oh wait !@@ we lost .Let's have another one . A gift that keeps giving
I think you'll find it was the leave side that wanted the referendum, having spent 40 complaining about the last one.
Actually over 80% of MP's in the House of Commons from all parties voted in favour of having the referendum. So not just leave MP's, remain MP's were in favour of it too. "Because nobody expected the public to be so bloody gullible and dumb. Typical MPs, totally out of touch with reality | |||
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"Gotta love these remoaners . Let's have a democratic vote to leave or stay . Oh wait !@@ we lost .Let's have another one . A gift that keeps giving
I think you'll find it was the leave side that wanted the referendum, having spent 40 complaining about the last one. it worked. We are leaving
So that means the Remainers can keep "banging on" about another vote until they win
It doesn't work just the one way... We won . Suck it up buttercup "I actually feel sorry for you. Most people who voted leave are likely to be hit hardest by Brexit - EU subsidies gone, higher unemployment etc. Oh well, never mind. We've got our Sovereignty back (the sovereignty that we hadn't lost in the first place!) | |||
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"Gotta love these remoaners . Let's have a democratic vote to leave or stay . Oh wait !@@ we lost .Let's have another one . A gift that keeps giving
Why do you personally think we're better off out? "i dont need to explain my vote . Why do you think we are better off in ? | |||
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"No. We need to just get out and stop been bullied by the EU " Both sides are negotiating but this typically involves not fully disclosing your full hand - both sides could be viewed as a 'bully'. Otherwise, it's important to get a settlement in preference to just walking away. A deal gives almost 2 years of transition time, so that there's not an immediate cliff edge, without flights and airspace, medical harmonisation, not to mention the thousands of businesses who need commercial certainty. May has been hamstrung because her party puts itself before the country and she's not respected by many of them. She's not their best ever leader but accepted the poison chalice. The failure at the general election last said it all really. The government needs time to review and vote on whatever deal is agreed. As the many possible outcomes are so different, and affecting life for decades to come, it's reasonable for citizens to also be consulted, to determine the outcome suitability. This is sovereignty in full action. | |||
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"Gotta love these remoaners . Let's have a democratic vote to leave or stay . Oh wait !@@ we lost .Let's have another one . A gift that keeps giving
I think you'll find it was the leave side that wanted the referendum, having spent 40 complaining about the last one. it worked. We are leaving
So that means the Remainers can keep "banging on" about another vote until they win
It doesn't work just the one way... We won . Suck it up buttercup
I actually feel sorry for you. Most people who voted leave are likely to be hit hardest by Brexit - EU subsidies gone, higher unemployment etc.
Oh well, never mind. We've got our Sovereignty back (the sovereignty that we hadn't lost in the first place!)"like I said further up the thread . Don't believe everything you read in the papers . And please dont feel sorry for me . I am very happy with my vote thankyou | |||
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"Gotta love these remoaners . Let's have a democratic vote to leave or stay . Oh wait !@@ we lost .Let's have another one . A gift that keeps giving
Why do you personally think we're better off out? i dont need to explain my vote . Why do you think we are better off in ?"No, you don't need to. Just honest curiosity. | |||
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"Gotta love these remoaners . Let's have a democratic vote to leave or stay . Oh wait !@@ we lost .Let's have another one . A gift that keeps giving
I think you'll find it was the leave side that wanted the referendum, having spent 40 complaining about the last one. it worked. We are leaving
So that means the Remainers can keep "banging on" about another vote until they win
It doesn't work just the one way... We won . Suck it up buttercup
I actually feel sorry for you. Most people who voted leave are likely to be hit hardest by Brexit - EU subsidies gone, higher unemployment etc.
Oh well, never mind. We've got our Sovereignty back (the sovereignty that we hadn't lost in the first place!) like I said further up the thread . Don't believe everything you read in the papers . And please dont feel sorry for me . I am very happy with my vote thankyou "ok cause i want to have our own rules . Our own laws . Our own immigration polices . I want straight bananas. Is that enough for you? | |||
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"Remain or leave no one as got what they wanted or was promised by our corrupt government only financial ruin for us & Europe, the government targeted their audience well with their propaganda but you watch the leavers whinge & moan when the shit hits the fan & interest rates go through the roofs." hope so mate I have savings | |||
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"Remain or leave no one as got what they wanted or was promised by our corrupt government only financial ruin for us & Europe, the government targeted their audience well with their propaganda but you watch the leavers whinge & moan when the shit hits the fan & interest rates go through the roofs." You say "the government targeted their audience well with their propaganda", In fact the government campaigned for remain during the referendum. | |||
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"Gotta love these remoaners . Let's have a democratic vote to leave or stay . Oh wait !@@ we lost .Let's have another one . A gift that keeps giving
I think you'll find it was the leave side that wanted the referendum, having spent 40 complaining about the last one. it worked. We are leaving
So that means the Remainers can keep "banging on" about another vote until they win
It doesn't work just the one way... We won . Suck it up buttercup
I actually feel sorry for you. Most people who voted leave are likely to be hit hardest by Brexit - EU subsidies gone, higher unemployment etc.
Oh well, never mind. We've got our Sovereignty back (the sovereignty that we hadn't lost in the first place!)"You are the one I feel sorry for believing all of that project fear scaremongering shite. You say Higher unemployment?... Since the vote to leave employment levels have increased to record levels and unemployment has fallen. Remain predicted an immediate and deep recession within 2 years following a vote to leave....never happened and every yearly quarter since the vote to leave has remained in positive growth territory. Remain also predicted house prices would crash following a leave vote - never happened. Just how much of this scaremongering nonsense has to be proven wrong before you accept it was nothing more than bullshit. | |||
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"Gotta love these remoaners . Let's have a democratic vote to leave or stay . Oh wait !@@ we lost .Let's have another one . A gift that keeps giving
I think you'll find it was the leave side that wanted the referendum, having spent 40 complaining about the last one. it worked. We are leaving
So that means the Remainers can keep "banging on" about another vote until they win
It doesn't work just the one way... We won . Suck it up buttercup
I actually feel sorry for you. Most people who voted leave are likely to be hit hardest by Brexit - EU subsidies gone, higher unemployment etc.
Oh well, never mind. We've got our Sovereignty back (the sovereignty that we hadn't lost in the first place!)
You are the one I feel sorry for believing all of that project fear scaremongering shite. You say Higher unemployment?... Since the vote to leave employment levels have increased to record levels and unemployment has fallen.
Remain predicted an immediate and deep recession within 2 years following a vote to leave....never happened and every yearly quarter since the vote to leave has remained in positive growth territory. Remain also predicted house prices would crash following a leave vote - never happened. Just how much of this scaremongering nonsense has to be proven wrong before you accept it was nothing more than bullshit. "you should be a politician . You know more than most like I keep saying they should do more research instead of just listening too the bullshit that the the remoaners and spinning | |||
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"I don’t get how people can say having another vote is against democracy and the will of the people? Having votes is literally democracy. And if a second referendum does occur, maybe the public will actually do their research this time. " They'll be less likely to believe all the bullshit that was spouted last time, that's for sure. I don't get why people are so against a second referendum. If people are that confident that 'leave' is the right option, a second referendum would be the nail in the coffin to those 'remainers' and would shut them up for good, as they can't argue with two leave votes. What I think is more likely, as now everyone has seen what a shitstorm this really is, then a majority would vote to remain and that's what they're fearful of. I don't know why anyone expected Europe to bend over backwards for us. It's like being a member of a snooker club, cancelling your membership and not paying your fees but still wanting to use the tables. And expecting the snooker club to be ok with this, because, you buy a couple of pints while you're in there every week. If you're not a member, you can't play. And the whole idea of May being so pleased with chequers. I can sit in my bedroom and come up with loads of plans. Doesn't mean anything unless the other side agree with it. | |||
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"Greece here we come. "Sneak me in your suitcase haha | |||
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"No. We need to just get out and stop been bullied by the EU Exactly this " | |||
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"Gotta love these remoaners . Let's have a democratic vote to leave or stay . Oh wait !@@ we lost .Let's have another one . A gift that keeps giving
I think you'll find it was the leave side that wanted the referendum, having spent 40 complaining about the last one. it worked. We are leaving
So that means the Remainers can keep "banging on" about another vote until they win
It doesn't work just the one way... We won . Suck it up buttercup
I actually feel sorry for you. Most people who voted leave are likely to be hit hardest by Brexit - EU subsidies gone, higher unemployment etc.
Oh well, never mind. We've got our Sovereignty back (the sovereignty that we hadn't lost in the first place!)
You are the one I feel sorry for believing all of that project fear scaremongering shite. You say Higher unemployment?... Since the vote to leave employment levels have increased to record levels and unemployment has fallen.
Remain predicted an immediate and deep recession within 2 years following a vote to leave....never happened and every yearly quarter since the vote to leave has remained in positive growth territory. Remain also predicted house prices would crash following a leave vote - never happened. Just how much of this scaremongering nonsense has to be proven wrong before you accept it was nothing more than bullshit. "I don't agree with everything project fear had to say. I wanted to stay in because I believe it is better; better opportunities for all. I think we already had our own sovereignty - because I understand how the EU works. We are not yet out of the EU. We can still fall into a recession within two years of leaving the EU, especially if we leave without a deal. Unemployment rates are down, however a lot of those people now in work are only doing part-time work, or are on zero hour contracts. Therefore are not really that much better off than being unemployed. | |||
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"No. We need to just get out and stop been bullied by the likes of Bojo and Moggsy there... changed for accuracy.... "Bojo is such a snake. | |||
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"Yep Theresa May has lost the plot!! We need to reject the current proposal to leave Europe ! We certainly should consider our position and now most of us can see what damage brexit is doing to both our economy and Europe’s, perhaps we need a new referendum and a coalition government to manage and negotiate our position We had a referendum (which we asked for), we voted to leave. Theresa May is not just going off on her own with this. She has a whole raft of specialists and advisors trying to find a way to give us what WE asked for. Unfortunately there are many other agencies (countries/political parties/annoying lawyers) who have their own agendas and are now trying to tell us that we made the wrong choice and stymie any efforts to make a bad situation work. This would be the case no matter who is in power or how the referendum fell. If we voted to stay, Nigel Farage would still be on tv every 5 mins saying how we should leave. Everyone who is trying to block or change what we asked for is doing so with their own agenda, with their own interests at heart. Its about time that these people pulled their heads out of their arses and started working towards a seamless transition." We asked for? Cameron created the referendum for his party & because they were scared of Farage, we didn't know we wanted a referendum until Conservative infighting made Cameron desperate. The question was so vague we did not know what we were asking for, the terms so ill defined it was a non question & it was mostly asked so Cameron could shut his own party up, WE were not really asked at all it was a political play that blew up in Camerons face & then he legged it. | |||
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"Gotta love these remoaners . Let's have a democratic vote to leave or stay . Oh wait !@@ we lost .Let's have another one . A gift that keeps giving
I think you'll find it was the leave side that wanted the referendum, having spent 40 complaining about the last one. it worked. We are leaving
So that means the Remainers can keep "banging on" about another vote until they win
It doesn't work just the one way... We won . Suck it up buttercup
I actually feel sorry for you. Most people who voted leave are likely to be hit hardest by Brexit - EU subsidies gone, higher unemployment etc.
Oh well, never mind. We've got our Sovereignty back (the sovereignty that we hadn't lost in the first place!)
You are the one I feel sorry for believing all of that project fear scaremongering shite. You say Higher unemployment?... Since the vote to leave employment levels have increased to record levels and unemployment has fallen.
Remain predicted an immediate and deep recession within 2 years following a vote to leave....never happened and every yearly quarter since the vote to leave has remained in positive growth territory. Remain also predicted house prices would crash following a leave vote - never happened. Just how much of this scaremongering nonsense has to be proven wrong before you accept it was nothing more than bullshit.
I don't agree with everything project fear had to say. I wanted to stay in because I believe it is better; better opportunities for all. I think we already had our own sovereignty - because I understand how the EU works.
We are not yet out of the EU. We can still fall into a recession within two years of leaving the EU, especially if we leave without a deal.
Unemployment rates are down, however a lot of those people now in work are only doing part-time work, or are on zero hour contracts. Therefore are not really that much better off than being unemployed."Positive growth....A massive 0.6% Rock & Roll, bring on the good times. | |||
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"Gotta love these remoaners . Let's have a democratic vote to leave or stay . Oh wait !@@ we lost .Let's have another one . A gift that keeps giving "I voted remain but I accept the decision. What’s done is done but I do believe if there was another vote it would go the other way this time. | |||
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"As the single biggest recipant of eu exports (about 16%) the uk means more to the eu than most remainers would like you to believe. Our downfall in the negotiations are not we have nothing to offer its the factions within the country are too busy undermining each other to have effective negotiations. There are good and bad points to free trade. Good being cheaper inports/exports (if this is your main point for remaining then you really should be upfor joining the eurozone too to remove exchange rate fluctuations) bad points being it allows companies like amazon to reduce their tax bill by exporting profits/importing liabilities via shell companies via schemes like the dutch sandwich." Free trade with the EU is yet another fallacy. It's not free trade when we're paying around £9 billion a year in membership fees. | |||
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"As the single biggest recipant of eu exports (about 16%) the uk means more to the eu than most remainers would like you to believe. Our downfall in the negotiations are not we have nothing to offer its the factions within the country are too busy undermining each other to have effective negotiations. There are good and bad points to free trade. Good being cheaper inports/exports (if this is your main point for remaining then you really should be upfor joining the eurozone too to remove exchange rate fluctuations) bad points being it allows companies like amazon to reduce their tax bill by exporting profits/importing liabilities via shell companies via schemes like the dutch sandwich. Free trade with the EU is yet another fallacy. It's not free trade when we're paying around £9 billion a year in membership fees. " *facepalm* 1) "Free trade" doesn't mean frew of charge, it means free of restrictions (tariffs, regulatory barriers etc). 2) The cost of our membership of the EU paid for a damn sight more than trade. 3) If you think a free trade area of 28 nations can be administered without a cost to those nations, you're an idiot. The point is that the increased economic value from freer trade exceeds that cost, because trade isn't a zero-sum game, contrary to what Donald Trumo would have you believe. | |||
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"As the single biggest recipant of eu exports (about 16%) the uk means more to the eu than most remainers would like you to believe. Our downfall in the negotiations are not we have nothing to offer its the factions within the country are too busy undermining each other to have effective negotiations. There are good and bad points to free trade. Good being cheaper inports/exports (if this is your main point for remaining then you really should be upfor joining the eurozone too to remove exchange rate fluctuations) bad points being it allows companies like amazon to reduce their tax bill by exporting profits/importing liabilities via shell companies via schemes like the dutch sandwich. Free trade with the EU is yet another fallacy. It's not free trade when we're paying around £9 billion a year in membership fees. *facepalm* 1) "Free trade" doesn't mean frew of charge, it means free of restrictions (tariffs, regulatory barriers etc). 2) The cost of our membership of the EU paid for a damn sight more than trade. 3) If you think a free trade area of 28 nations can be administered without a cost to those nations, you're an idiot. The point is that the increased economic value from freer trade exceeds that cost, because trade isn't a zero-sum game, contrary to what Donald Trumo would have you believe." You can make your point without calling people ‘idiots’ and belittling them. | |||
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"As the single biggest recipant of eu exports (about 16%) the uk means more to the eu than most remainers would like you to believe. Our downfall in the negotiations are not we have nothing to offer its the factions within the country are too busy undermining each other to have effective negotiations. There are good and bad points to free trade. Good being cheaper inports/exports (if this is your main point for remaining then you really should be upfor joining the eurozone too to remove exchange rate fluctuations) bad points being it allows companies like amazon to reduce their tax bill by exporting profits/importing liabilities via shell companies via schemes like the dutch sandwich. Free trade with the EU is yet another fallacy. It's not free trade when we're paying around £9 billion a year in membership fees. *facepalm* 1) "Free trade" doesn't mean frew of charge, it means free of restrictions (tariffs, regulatory barriers etc). 2) The cost of our membership of the EU paid for a damn sight more than trade. 3) If you think a free trade area of 28 nations can be administered without a cost to those nations, you're an idiot. The point is that the increased economic value from freer trade exceeds that cost, because trade isn't a zero-sum game, contrary to what Donald Trumo would have you believe. You can make your point without calling people ‘idiots’ and belittling them. " When leavers stop calling me "remoaner", "traitor", "enemy of the people" and "enemy of democracy", I'll consider it. | |||
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"As the single biggest recipant of eu exports (about 16%) the uk means more to the eu than most remainers would like you to believe. Our downfall in the negotiations are not we have nothing to offer its the factions within the country are too busy undermining each other to have effective negotiations. There are good and bad points to free trade. Good being cheaper inports/exports (if this is your main point for remaining then you really should be upfor joining the eurozone too to remove exchange rate fluctuations) bad points being it allows companies like amazon to reduce their tax bill by exporting profits/importing liabilities via shell companies via schemes like the dutch sandwich. Free trade with the EU is yet another fallacy. It's not free trade when we're paying around £9 billion a year in membership fees. *facepalm* 1) "Free trade" doesn't mean frew of charge, it means free of restrictions (tariffs, regulatory barriers etc). 2) The cost of our membership of the EU paid for a damn sight more than trade. 3) If you think a free trade area of 28 nations can be administered without a cost to those nations, you're an idiot. The point is that the increased economic value from freer trade exceeds that cost, because trade isn't a zero-sum game, contrary to what Donald Trumo would have you believe." Your excluding economic costs of free trade in jobs too. Cheaper imports means products may be made elsewhere reducing tax income and increasing benefit payments to those who would otherwise be employed. Those in employment also have (when paid a decent wage) a disposible income which they then spend in their local economy thereby paying Vat and increasing the profits and therefore tax of where they spend it, unless of course they are transient workers who send majority of theor income abroad to move there after a few years. | |||
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"As the single biggest recipant of eu exports (about 16%) the uk means more to the eu than most remainers would like you to believe. Our downfall in the negotiations are not we have nothing to offer its the factions within the country are too busy undermining each other to have effective negotiations. There are good and bad points to free trade. Good being cheaper inports/exports (if this is your main point for remaining then you really should be upfor joining the eurozone too to remove exchange rate fluctuations) bad points being it allows companies like amazon to reduce their tax bill by exporting profits/importing liabilities via shell companies via schemes like the dutch sandwich. Free trade with the EU is yet another fallacy. It's not free trade when we're paying around £9 billion a year in membership fees. *facepalm* 1) "Free trade" doesn't mean frew of charge, it means free of restrictions (tariffs, regulatory barriers etc). 2) The cost of our membership of the EU paid for a damn sight more than trade. 3) If you think a free trade area of 28 nations can be administered without a cost to those nations, you're an idiot. The point is that the increased economic value from freer trade exceeds that cost, because trade isn't a zero-sum game, contrary to what Donald Trumo would have you believe. Your excluding economic costs of free trade in jobs too. Cheaper imports means products may be made elsewhere reducing tax income and increasing benefit payments to those who would otherwise be employed. Those in employment also have (when paid a decent wage) a disposible income which they then spend in their local economy thereby paying Vat and increasing the profits and therefore tax of where they spend it, unless of course they are transient workers who send majority of theor income abroad to move there after a few years. " I'm not saying there aren't negatives as well as positives, just that, on balance, the positives outweigh the negatives. | |||
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"As the single biggest recipant of eu exports (about 16%) the uk means more to the eu than most remainers would like you to believe. Our downfall in the negotiations are not we have nothing to offer its the factions within the country are too busy undermining each other to have effective negotiations. There are good and bad points to free trade. Good being cheaper inports/exports (if this is your main point for remaining then you really should be upfor joining the eurozone too to remove exchange rate fluctuations) bad points being it allows companies like amazon to reduce their tax bill by exporting profits/importing liabilities via shell companies via schemes like the dutch sandwich. Free trade with the EU is yet another fallacy. It's not free trade when we're paying around £9 billion a year in membership fees. *facepalm* 1) "Free trade" doesn't mean frew of charge, it means free of restrictions (tariffs, regulatory barriers etc). 2) The cost of our membership of the EU paid for a damn sight more than trade. 3) If you think a free trade area of 28 nations can be administered without a cost to those nations, you're an idiot. The point is that the increased economic value from freer trade exceeds that cost, because trade isn't a zero-sum game, contrary to what Donald Trumo would have you believe. You can make your point without calling people ‘idiots’ and belittling them. When leavers stop calling me "remoaner", "traitor", "enemy of the people" and "enemy of democracy", I'll consider it. " Oh, I must have missed where he called you those things, just checked again, yeah he didn’t say anything. Grow up. | |||
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"Controversial: Anyone over 55 shouldn't have been able to vote - it's like picking what film to watch and then leaving after 5 minutes. "I approve of this | |||
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"I do worry that if there is no deal, which seems more and more likely, that there are going to be a hell of a lot of people who are going to be in for a very nasty shock come March 30th And no amount of technical notices are going to help them The one saving grace of Easter being late next year is that it the clusterfuck that will be the first couple of weeks may finally knock some British heads together .... because if it still going by the Easter holiday all hell will break loose " I'm hoping it won't come to that, but you can see the Leave "leaders" pre-positioning themselves to blame "arrogance" from the EU and "sabotage" from remainers for anything bad that happens, and you can see frok this thread that there are plenry of people who will believe them. | |||
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"It’s not her fault.. I’ve alot of respect for her for trying her very best " She knew what she was taking on, I have no sympathy whatsoever. Can’t believe all this time and money has been wasted on a project that can only be detrimental to the UK and its people, when that money could have been spent on improving our infrastructure and solving the problems that were wrongly blamed on the EU. There’s no deal that will give the leave voters what they actually wanted and “No Deal” certainly won’t do that. Time to stop - and start repairing the damage. | |||
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"As the single biggest recipant of eu exports (about 16%) the uk means more to the eu than most remainers would like you to believe. Our downfall in the negotiations are not we have nothing to offer its the factions within the country are too busy undermining each other to have effective negotiations. There are good and bad points to free trade. Good being cheaper inports/exports (if this is your main point for remaining then you really should be upfor joining the eurozone too to remove exchange rate fluctuations) bad points being it allows companies like amazon to reduce their tax bill by exporting profits/importing liabilities via shell companies via schemes like the dutch sandwich. Free trade with the EU is yet another fallacy. It's not free trade when we're paying around £9 billion a year in membership fees. " Precisely this. Taxpayers as a whole subsidising the movement of goods and services that benefit shareholders (ultimately) only. I have no issue with the idea of a free trade bloc, only the insane insistence that trade, migration and capital are all somehow tied together. Instead of free movement of capital, free movement of liquidity would have worked much better. Capital movement allows the tax dodging of hosting "services" out of Luxembourg and charging those against revenues in higher tax domains. Liquidity would have prevented that, but would allow the trade of financial instruments across borders. As for free movement of people, it's a great idea in principle, but failed (and still does) to take account of how the infrastructure to accommodate that movement comes from. And for those who say Brexiteers wanted a recount of the referendum of 40 years ago; the vote in 1973 was to join a trade club. We got no vote over Maastricht, which created the social and political union, forced the "four pillars" on us, and established the conditions for Leave generating a majority. | |||
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"Controversial: Anyone over 55 shouldn't have been able to vote - it's like picking what film to watch and then leaving after 5 minutes. "55??? Don’t be ridiculous So exclude a lot of the people without whom we probably wouldn’t even be in a position to have a say anyway?! | |||
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"Controversial: Anyone over 55 shouldn't have been able to vote - it's like picking what film to watch and then leaving after 5 minutes. "I'm assuming that you don't want anyone over 55 paying tax either then? | |||
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"Controversial: Anyone over 55 shouldn't have been able to vote - it's like picking what film to watch and then leaving after 5 minutes. "Ok, I was under 55 at the time of the Referendum - but consider this, I have 10yrs before I would like to retire - the last thing I need is 10yrs of turbulence and economic uncertainty. I need to be able to vote if there is a People’s Vote, or GE... We have to stop this Brexit nonsense. | |||
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"No. We need to just get out and start being bullied by the likes of Bojo and Moggsy there... changed for accuracy.... "And changed again for even more accuracy and grammatical correctness. | |||
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"As the single biggest recipant of eu exports (about 16%) the uk means more to the eu than most remainers would like you to believe. Our downfall in the negotiations are not we have nothing to offer its the factions within the country are too busy undermining each other to have effective negotiations. There are good and bad points to free trade. Good being cheaper inports/exports (if this is your main point for remaining then you really should be upfor joining the eurozone too to remove exchange rate fluctuations) bad points being it allows companies like amazon to reduce their tax bill by exporting profits/importing liabilities via shell companies via schemes like the dutch sandwich. Free trade with the EU is yet another fallacy. It's not free trade when we're paying around £9 billion a year in membership fees. Precisely this. Taxpayers as a whole subsidising the movement of goods and services that benefit shareholders (ultimately) only. I have no issue with the idea of a free trade bloc, only the insane insistence that trade, migration and capital are all somehow tied together. Instead of free movement of capital, free movement of liquidity would have worked much better. Capital movement allows the tax dodging of hosting "services" out of Luxembourg and charging those against revenues in higher tax domains. Liquidity would have prevented that, but would allow the trade of financial instruments across borders. As for free movement of people, it's a great idea in principle, but failed (and still does) to take account of how the infrastructure to accommodate that movement comes from. And for those who say Brexiteers wanted a recount of the referendum of 40 years ago; the vote in 1973 was to join a trade club. We got no vote over Maastricht, which created the social and political union, forced the "four pillars" on us, and established the conditions for Leave generating a majority. " | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. By arrogance do you mean consistently telling us the same thing they have since the referendum and refusing to give into our demands? Grow up. Oh I am quite fully grown I assure you. No, arrogance is an attitude, and one that I consistently observe in the Europeans. They are trying to penalise the UK in order to deter other countries from leaving, it's obvious, but they are shaking in their boots. We need to call their bluff now. No, we're penalising ourselves. We've chosen to do this to ourselves." Yes we've fucked ourselves good & proper, as the old saying goes we've made our bed now lie in it.  | |||
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"As the single biggest recipant of eu exports (about 16%) the uk means more to the eu than most remainers would like you to believe. Our downfall in the negotiations are not we have nothing to offer its the factions within the country are too busy undermining each other to have effective negotiations. There are good and bad points to free trade. Good being cheaper inports/exports (if this is your main point for remaining then you really should be upfor joining the eurozone too to remove exchange rate fluctuations) bad points being it allows companies like amazon to reduce their tax bill by exporting profits/importing liabilities via shell companies via schemes like the dutch sandwich. Free trade with the EU is yet another fallacy. It's not free trade when we're paying around £9 billion a year in membership fees. *facepalm* 1) "Free trade" doesn't mean frew of charge, it means free of restrictions (tariffs, regulatory barriers etc). 2) The cost of our membership of the EU paid for a damn sight more than trade. 3) If you think a free trade area of 28 nations can be administered without a cost to those nations, you're an idiot. The point is that the increased economic value from freer trade exceeds that cost, because trade isn't a zero-sum game, contrary to what Donald Trumo would have you believe. You can make your point without calling people ‘idiots’ and belittling them. When leavers stop calling me "remoaner", "traitor", "enemy of the people" and "enemy of democracy", I'll consider it. Oh, I must have missed where he called you those things, just checked again, yeah he didn’t say anything. Grow up. " There have been quite a few instances throughout this thread where people who voted to remain have been called remoaners. As with the idiot comment above, they weren't directed at one particular person. | |||
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"No one knew whay they were voting for - both campaigns were based on scaremongering and lies. I voted based on the quality of people supporting each campaign given that we weren't presented with any facts. " I didn't vote based on any campaign, I voted based on 40 years of observation! | |||
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"No one knew whay they were voting for - both campaigns were based on scaremongering and lies. I voted based on the quality of people supporting each campaign given that we weren't presented with any facts. I didn't vote based on any campaign, I voted based on 40 years of observation!" I voted for what’s better for me and mine. All that matters to me at the end of the day | |||
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"No one knew whay they were voting for - both campaigns were based on scaremongering and lies. I voted based on the quality of people supporting each campaign given that we weren't presented with any facts. I didn't vote based on any campaign, I voted based on 40 years of observation! "It’s 40 years of observation versus a guess at what the uk would have been like if the vote had gone the other way. That vote (and this) is a sliding doors moment. We can only guess what the alternative universe is like and how much our decisions have helped, hindered or left unaffected our countries prosperity. | |||
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"What gets me about this is why anyone thought that Britain would not be the weaker party in the negotiations. If a bloke in a pub offers to fight a gang of 27 people whose going to be favourite to win? The other hilarious thing is the people who think the EU should not prioritise the interests of its members over those of the UK and moan about how ruthless and unfair the EU is being with the UK. This from people whose stock in trade is insulting and belittling the EU. " | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us. Vive la difference!
I prefer unity to division. I console myself with the knowledge that Leave voters are dying faster than they're being replaced, and the new generation are more forward-looking. Brexit will be overturned - it's a question of when, not if."That is a rather bizarre statement. As people become older they are also wiser and more responsible . Any leave voter who died will be replaced by an older and wiser vote remain who will now vote leave. When these people are older they will be eternally greatfull that by leaving we have secured a much brighter future for the UK | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us. Vive la difference!
I prefer unity to division. I console myself with the knowledge that Leave voters are dying faster than they're being replaced, and the new generation are more forward-looking. Brexit will be overturned - it's a question of when, not if. That is a rather bizarre statement. As people become older they are also wiser and more responsible . Any leave voter who died will be replaced by an older and wiser vote remain who will now vote leave.
When these people are older they will be eternally greatfull that by leaving we have secured a much brighter future for the UK "I don't think many people will switch sides due to age. If anything they are more likely to remember the "good old days being part of the EU". I know nothing different other than being in the EU, my age range was the tipping point for people starting to vote leave. They are the people that remember a time before the EU. | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us. Vive la difference!
I prefer unity to division. I console myself with the knowledge that Leave voters are dying faster than they're being replaced, and the new generation are more forward-looking. Brexit will be overturned - it's a question of when, not if. That is a rather bizarre statement. As people become older they are also wiser and more responsible . Any leave voter who died will be replaced by an older and wiser vote remain who will now vote leave.
When these people are older they will be eternally greatfull that by leaving we have secured a much brighter future for the UK "That's not how it works. The old voters dying off are being replaced by people just turning 18. Polls show that whilst the old are largely pro brexit and the young largely anti, the young are more anti than the old are pro. There was a poll recently that just on that basis showed that, by next year, even if no one changed their vote from last time, a new referendum who show a narrow remain majority. Which is why, of course, the brexiteers don't want it. | |||
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"As the single biggest recipant of eu exports (about 16%) the uk means more to the eu than most remainers would like you to believe. Our downfall in the negotiations are not we have nothing to offer its the factions within the country are too busy undermining each other to have effective negotiations. There are good and bad points to free trade. Good being cheaper inports/exports (if this is your main point for remaining then you really should be upfor joining the eurozone too to remove exchange rate fluctuations) bad points being it allows companies like amazon to reduce their tax bill by exporting profits/importing liabilities via shell companies via schemes like the dutch sandwich. Free trade with the EU is yet another fallacy. It's not free trade when we're paying around £9 billion a year in membership fees. *facepalm* 1) "Free trade" doesn't mean frew of charge, it means free of restrictions (tariffs, regulatory barriers etc). 2) The cost of our membership of the EU paid for a damn sight more than trade. 3) If you think a free trade area of 28 nations can be administered without a cost to those nations, you're an idiot. The point is that the increased economic value from freer trade exceeds that cost, because trade isn't a zero-sum game, contrary to what Donald Trumo would have you believe. You can make your point without calling people ‘idiots’ and belittling them. When leavers stop calling me "remoaner", "traitor", "enemy of the people" and "enemy of democracy", I'll consider it. Oh, I must have missed where he called you those things, just checked again, yeah he didn’t say anything. Grow up. There have been quite a few instances throughout this thread where people who voted to remain have been called remoaners. As with the idiot comment above, they weren't directed at one particular person." The remoaners thing is a bit rich, coming from a group who have spent the last 40 odd years bloody moaning. I suppose we’re to believe if the vote had gone the other way they would all have accepted it gracefully, moved on and never said another word about it, ever. | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us. Vive la difference!
I prefer unity to division. I console myself with the knowledge that Leave voters are dying faster than they're being replaced, and the new generation are more forward-looking. Brexit will be overturned - it's a question of when, not if. That is a rather bizarre statement. As people become older they are also wiser and more responsible . Any leave voter who died will be replaced by an older and wiser vote remain who will now vote leave.
When these people are older they will be eternally greatfull that by leaving we have secured a much brighter future for the UK
I don't think many people will switch sides due to age. If anything they are more likely to remember the "good old days being part of the EU". I know nothing different other than being in the EU, my age range was the tipping point for people starting to vote leave. They are the people that remember a time before the EU."No. I don’t think this is the case. I think the majority of the elderly voted to leave. | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us. Vive la difference!
I prefer unity to division. I console myself with the knowledge that Leave voters are dying faster than they're being replaced, and the new generation are more forward-looking. Brexit will be overturned - it's a question of when, not if. That is a rather bizarre statement. As people become older they are also wiser and more responsible . Any leave voter who died will be replaced by an older and wiser vote remain who will now vote leave.
When these people are older they will be eternally greatfull that by leaving we have secured a much brighter future for the UK "In what ways will it be a brighter future? Are to believe that, for example, the U.K. will be able to secure better trade deals than a trading block of around 300m? That we, rather than the EU, will be able to secure better deals with the likes of the US and China? People often talk about being able to have our own laws again. I’m pretty sure we still have our own laws. And anything EU specific, the thing I always wonder is what EU laws are we subject to that actually have a negative practical impact on our lives? That was the whole point of the Great Charter it whatever it was called - basically copying and pasting all that stuff into U.K. law. | |||
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"Gotta love these remoaners . Let's have a democratic vote to leave or stay . Oh wait !@@ we lost .Let's have another one . A gift that keeps giving
I think you'll find it was the leave side that wanted the referendum, having spent 40 complaining about the last one. it worked. We are leaving
So that means the Remainers can keep "banging on" about another vote until they win
It doesn't work just the one way... We won . Suck it up buttercup
I actually feel sorry for you. Most people who voted leave are likely to be hit hardest by Brexit - EU subsidies gone, higher unemployment etc.
Oh well, never mind. We've got our Sovereignty back (the sovereignty that we hadn't lost in the first place!) like I said further up the thread . Don't believe everything you read in the papers . And please dont feel sorry for me . I am very happy with my vote thankyou ok cause i want to have our own rules . Our own laws . Our own immigration polices . I want straight bananas. Is that enough for you? "What laws don’t we have that you think we need? What would you say were the five worst EU laws that are bad for the U.K.? | |||
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"Chequers (to quote what one of Theresa May's closest allies) said) "is as dead as a dodo". No one likes Chequers, brexiters don't like it, remainers don't like it and the EU have now made clear they don't like it either. Chequers needs to be chucked. A much more likely deal can be done with the EU on a Canada Style Free trade deal, which is what the ERG (European research group) in the Conservative party want. Yeah I agree. The arrogance and, today, totally disrespectful belligerence of the Europeans has merely served to confirm my opinion that we should have left years ago. I was not lied to or bullied by anyone - I'd been waiting 10 years to cast my vote to leave. By arrogance do you mean consistently telling us the same thing they have since the referendum and refusing to give into our demands? Grow up. Oh I am quite fully grown I assure you. No, arrogance is an attitude, and one that I consistently observe in the Europeans. They are trying to penalise the UK in order to deter other countries from leaving, it's obvious, but they are shaking in their boots. We need to call their bluff now. Are they trying to penalise is? Brexit is actually a bit like a Monty Python sketch. U.K.: We’d like to leave the EU! EU: Sure. We’ll just have to sort out some sort of deal before you do. U.K.: Sounds great. We’d basically like all the benefits of being in the EU. EU: Don’t be stupid. That’s called ‘Being in the EU! You read too many papers " You post too many trite replies that ignore the point. | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us. Vive la difference!
I prefer unity to division. I console myself with the knowledge that Leave voters are dying faster than they're being replaced, and the new generation are more forward-looking. Brexit will be overturned - it's a question of when, not if. That is a rather bizarre statement. As people become older they are also wiser and more responsible . Any leave voter who died will be replaced by an older and wiser vote remain who will now vote leave.
When these people are older they will be eternally greatfull that by leaving we have secured a much brighter future for the UK
I don't think many people will switch sides due to age. If anything they are more likely to remember the "good old days being part of the EU". I know nothing different other than being in the EU, my age range was the tipping point for people starting to vote leave. They are the people that remember a time before the EU.
No. I don’t think this is the case. I think the majority of the elderly voted to leave. "They did, but the correlation isn't actually with age, it's with education. The more educated a person is, the more likely they are to favour remain, so people who left school with no qualifications are likely to fsvour leave while those with doctorates are likely to go the other way. It's very rare for someone born in the last 30 years to leave school with no qualifications, and, if not rare, uncommon for someone born in the 1940s or 1950s to have a degree. | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us. Vive la difference!
I prefer unity to division. I console myself with the knowledge that Leave voters are dying faster than they're being replaced, and the new generation are more forward-looking. Brexit will be overturned - it's a question of when, not if. That is a rather bizarre statement. As people become older they are also wiser and more responsible . Any leave voter who died will be replaced by an older and wiser vote remain who will now vote leave.
When these people are older they will be eternally greatfull that by leaving we have secured a much brighter future for the UK
I don't think many people will switch sides due to age. If anything they are more likely to remember the "good old days being part of the EU". I know nothing different other than being in the EU, my age range was the tipping point for people starting to vote leave. They are the people that remember a time before the EU.
No. I don’t think this is the case. I think the majority of the elderly voted to leave. "Yes and they are being replaced by people who voted to remain. The ones who voted to remain are unlikely to change their mind and change their vote to leave. | |||
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"As the single biggest recipant of eu exports (about 16%) the uk means more to the eu than most remainers would like you to believe. Our downfall in the negotiations are not we have nothing to offer its the factions within the country are too busy undermining each other to have effective negotiations. There are good and bad points to free trade. Good being cheaper inports/exports (if this is your main point for remaining then you really should be upfor joining the eurozone too to remove exchange rate fluctuations) bad points being it allows companies like amazon to reduce their tax bill by exporting profits/importing liabilities via shell companies via schemes like the dutch sandwich. Free trade with the EU is yet another fallacy. It's not free trade when we're paying around £9 billion a year in membership fees. *facepalm* 1) "Free trade" doesn't mean frew of charge, it means free of restrictions (tariffs, regulatory barriers etc). 2) The cost of our membership of the EU paid for a damn sight more than trade. 3) If you think a free trade area of 28 nations can be administered without a cost to those nations, you're an idiot. The point is that the increased economic value from freer trade exceeds that cost, because trade isn't a zero-sum game, contrary to what Donald Trumo would have you believe. You can make your point without calling people ‘idiots’ and belittling them. " And the figure of 16% is wrong. It's actually 8% of EU exports come to the UK. | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us. Vive la difference!
I prefer unity to division. I console myself with the knowledge that Leave voters are dying faster than they're being replaced, and the new generation are more forward-looking. Brexit will be overturned - it's a question of when, not if. That is a rather bizarre statement. As people become older they are also wiser and more responsible . Any leave voter who died will be replaced by an older and wiser vote remain who will now vote leave.
When these people are older they will be eternally greatfull that by leaving we have secured a much brighter future for the UK
I don't think many people will switch sides due to age. If anything they are more likely to remember the "good old days being part of the EU". I know nothing different other than being in the EU, my age range was the tipping point for people starting to vote leave. They are the people that remember a time before the EU."If they voted leave then they clearly don't remember the time before the EU very well. | |||
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"I've met plenty of people who voted leave and have said that now, with more actual truth on the implications of brexit, if there were to be a second referendum they'd vote remain. I've yet to meet a remainer that'd say they'd reconsider and vote leave. " Don't be silly, people aren't allowed to change their minds. The People Have Spoken, innit? | |||
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"What gets me about this is why anyone thought that Britain would not be the weaker party in the negotiations. If a bloke in a pub offers to fight a gang of 27 people whose going to be favourite to win? The other hilarious thing is the people who think the EU should not prioritise the interests of its members over those of the UK and moan about how ruthless and unfair the EU is being with the UK. This from people whose stock in trade is insulting and belittling the EU. " So you think that not offering options for a deal to your biggest trading parter is looking after your members. Im not suggesting they give the uk everything that teresa wants but from whats being reported they arnt acutally offering any suggestions either | |||
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"No one knew whay they were voting for - both campaigns were based on scaremongering and lies. I voted based on the quality of people supporting each campaign given that we weren't presented with any facts. I didn't vote based on any campaign, I voted based on 40 years of observation! I voted for what’s better for me and mine. All that matters to me at the end of the day "I think that's a matter of opinion though. | |||
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"What gets me about this is why anyone thought that Britain would not be the weaker party in the negotiations. If a bloke in a pub offers to fight a gang of 27 people whose going to be favourite to win? The other hilarious thing is the people who think the EU should not prioritise the interests of its members over those of the UK and moan about how ruthless and unfair the EU is being with the UK. This from people whose stock in trade is insulting and belittling the EU. So you think that not offering options for a deal to your biggest trading parter is looking after your members. Im not suggesting they give the uk everything that teresa wants but from whats being reported they arnt acutally offering any suggestions either" They've made suggestions, the Irish border backstop for example. The problem is that the UK wants things that are fundamentally incompatible wuth EU law - we're demanding to trade with them as though we're inside the customs area while actually being outside it and not having to follow its rules. | |||
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"Yep Theresa May has lost the plot!! We need to reject the current proposal to leave Europe ! We certainly should consider our position and now most of us can see what damage brexit is doing to both our economy and Europe’s, perhaps we need a new referendum and a coalition government to manage and negotiate our position" we definately don't need another referendum .why would anyone want to be part of the new Mafia .that's what the EU looks like . I'm sorry we must leave this disgraceful bunch once and fall .when we do watch what happens next .the house of cards is about to fall .not before time | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us. Vive la difference!
I prefer unity to division. I console myself with the knowledge that Leave voters are dying faster than they're being replaced, and the new generation are more forward-looking. Brexit will be overturned - it's a question of when, not if. That is a rather bizarre statement. As people become older they are also wiser and more responsible . Any leave voter who died will be replaced by an older and wiser vote remain who will now vote leave.
When these people are older they will be eternally greatfull that by leaving we have secured a much brighter future for the UK
I don't think many people will switch sides due to age. If anything they are more likely to remember the "good old days being part of the EU". I know nothing different other than being in the EU, my age range was the tipping point for people starting to vote leave. They are the people that remember a time before the EU.
No. I don’t think this is the case. I think the majority of the elderly voted to leave.
They did, but the correlation isn't actually with age, it's with education. The more educated a person is, the more likely they are to favour remain,"Haha, oh those poor uneducated oiks Rees-Mogg and Johnson.....yeah right. | |||
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"No. We need to just get out and stop been bullied by the EU Get out without a deal? " yes . the EU actually needs,us more than we them . its time to stop mucking about with this cat and mouse game . the EU have shown their true colours .its time to bin them. | |||
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"What gets me about this is why anyone thought that Britain would not be the weaker party in the negotiations. If a bloke in a pub offers to fight a gang of 27 people whose going to be favourite to win? The other hilarious thing is the people who think the EU should not prioritise the interests of its members over those of the UK and moan about how ruthless and unfair the EU is being with the UK. This from people whose stock in trade is insulting and belittling the EU. So you think that not offering options for a deal to your biggest trading parter is looking after your members. Im not suggesting they give the uk everything that teresa wants but from whats being reported they arnt acutally offering any suggestions either" But they are offering quite a few options. 1) Don't leave, stay as we are. 2) Leave but stay in Customs Union and Single Market. 3) Leave but stay in Customs Union. 4) Leave but stay in Single Market. 5) Leave but stay in EFTA (as we were in 1973 when we joined. We actually joined EFTA in 1960) 6) Leave with a Canada or Canada+++ FTA 7) Leave with no deal. The problem is not that the EU has not given us any opinions. The problem is that the UK government hasn't made up its mind which option it wants. | |||
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"What gets me about this is why anyone thought that Britain would not be the weaker party in the negotiations. If a bloke in a pub offers to fight a gang of 27 people whose going to be favourite to win? The other hilarious thing is the people who think the EU should not prioritise the interests of its members over those of the UK and moan about how ruthless and unfair the EU is being with the UK. This from people whose stock in trade is insulting and belittling the EU. So you think that not offering options for a deal to your biggest trading parter is looking after your members. Im not suggesting they give the uk everything that teresa wants but from whats being reported they arnt acutally offering any suggestions either They've made suggestions, the Irish border backstop for example. The problem is that the UK wants things that are fundamentally incompatible wuth EU law - we're demanding to trade with them as though we're inside the customs area while actually being outside it and not having to follow its rules." As I said above, this seems fundamental to why the talks have gone as they have. We want to leave, but think we should have some sort of special treatment by having many of the benefits of staying. | |||
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"No. We need to just get out and stop been bullied by the EU Get out without a deal? yes . the EU actually needs,us more than we them . its time to stop mucking about with this cat and mouse game . the EU have shown their true colours .its time to bin them. " Do they really need us more than we need them? What exactly do they need us for so much that tips that in our favour? | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us. Vive la difference!
I prefer unity to division. I console myself with the knowledge that Leave voters are dying faster than they're being replaced, and the new generation are more forward-looking. Brexit will be overturned - it's a question of when, not if. That is a rather bizarre statement. As people become older they are also wiser and more responsible . Any leave voter who died will be replaced by an older and wiser vote remain who will now vote leave.
When these people are older they will be eternally greatfull that by leaving we have secured a much brighter future for the UK
I don't think many people will switch sides due to age. If anything they are more likely to remember the "good old days being part of the EU". I know nothing different other than being in the EU, my age range was the tipping point for people starting to vote leave. They are the people that remember a time before the EU.
If they voted leave then they clearly don't remember the time before the EU very well. "Rose tinted glasses | |||
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"Yep Theresa May has lost the plot!! We need to reject the current proposal to leave Europe ! We certainly should consider our position and now most of us can see what damage brexit is doing to both our economy and Europe’s, perhaps we need a new referendum and a coalition government to manage and negotiate our positionwe definately don't need another referendum .why would anyone want to be part of the new Mafia .that's what the EU looks like . I'm sorry we must leave this disgraceful bunch once and fall .when we do watch what happens next .the house of cards is about to fall .not before time " Is it? If anything it has strengthened the EU, as was evidenced by the far right worse than expected in the recent election in Sweden. Other countries have seen what a shitstorm Brexit has become, and are arguably less likely to have similar referendums. | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us. Vive la difference!
I prefer unity to division. I console myself with the knowledge that Leave voters are dying faster than they're being replaced, and the new generation are more forward-looking. Brexit will be overturned - it's a question of when, not if. That is a rather bizarre statement. As people become older they are also wiser and more responsible . Any leave voter who died will be replaced by an older and wiser vote remain who will now vote leave.
When these people are older they will be eternally greatfull that by leaving we have secured a much brighter future for the UK
I don't think many people will switch sides due to age. If anything they are more likely to remember the "good old days being part of the EU". I know nothing different other than being in the EU, my age range was the tipping point for people starting to vote leave. They are the people that remember a time before the EU.
No. I don’t think this is the case. I think the majority of the elderly voted to leave.
They did, but the correlation isn't actually with age, it's with education. The more educated a person is, the more likely they are to favour remain,
Haha, oh those poor uneducated oiks Rees-Mogg and Johnson.....yeah right. "Johnson is actually a remainer. It was only for political reasons that he plumped for Brexit (not expecting them to win). | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us. Vive la difference!
I prefer unity to division. I console myself with the knowledge that Leave voters are dying faster than they're being replaced, and the new generation are more forward-looking. Brexit will be overturned - it's a question of when, not if. That is a rather bizarre statement. As people become older they are also wiser and more responsible . Any leave voter who died will be replaced by an older and wiser vote remain who will now vote leave.
When these people are older they will be eternally greatfull that by leaving we have secured a much brighter future for the UK
I don't think many people will switch sides due to age. If anything they are more likely to remember the "good old days being part of the EU". I know nothing different other than being in the EU, my age range was the tipping point for people starting to vote leave. They are the people that remember a time before the EU.
No. I don’t think this is the case. I think the majority of the elderly voted to leave.
They did, but the correlation isn't actually with age, it's with education. The more educated a person is, the more likely they are to favour remain,
Haha, oh those poor uneducated oiks Rees-Mogg and Johnson.....yeah right.
Johnson is actually a remainer. It was only for political reasons that he plumped for Brexit (not expecting them to win)."And Rees-Mogg seems poised to profit handsomely from short-selling the pound in the event of no deal (you know, the sort of thing people are always demonising George Soros for doing), having already recommended that clients if his investment fund move their money to Ireland to avoid the effects of Brexit. People like him have the resources to be inside and outside the EU as it suits them. The rest of us don't. | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us. Vive la difference!
I prefer unity to division. I console myself with the knowledge that Leave voters are dying faster than they're being replaced, and the new generation are more forward-looking. Brexit will be overturned - it's a question of when, not if. That is a rather bizarre statement. As people become older they are also wiser and more responsible . Any leave voter who died will be replaced by an older and wiser vote remain who will now vote leave.
When these people are older they will be eternally greatfull that by leaving we have secured a much brighter future for the UK
I don't think many people will switch sides due to age. If anything they are more likely to remember the "good old days being part of the EU". I know nothing different other than being in the EU, my age range was the tipping point for people starting to vote leave. They are the people that remember a time before the EU.
No. I don’t think this is the case. I think the majority of the elderly voted to leave.
They did, but the correlation isn't actually with age, it's with education. The more educated a person is, the more likely they are to favour remain,
Haha, oh those poor uneducated oiks Rees-Mogg and Johnson.....yeah right.
Johnson is actually a remainer. It was only for political reasons that he plumped for Brexit (not expecting them to win).
And Rees-Mogg seems poised to profit handsomely from short-selling the pound in the event of no deal (you know, the sort of thing people are always demonising George Soros for doing), having already recommended that clients if his investment fund move their money to Ireland to avoid the effects of Brexit. People like him have the resources to be inside and outside the EU as it suits them. The rest of us don't. "Can I also just point out the lunacy of people thinking they're having a swing at "the establishment" by siding with Bullingdon Boris and Jacob "once went campaigning with Nanny" Rees-Smug? | |||
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"The number of people who insist on seeing the EU refusing to shatter it's own internal rules for our benefit as bullying and belligerence is truly depressing. They're well shot of us. Vive la difference!
I prefer unity to division. I console myself with the knowledge that Leave voters are dying faster than they're being replaced, and the new generation are more forward-looking. Brexit will be overturned - it's a question of when, not if. That is a rather bizarre statement. As people become older they are also wiser and more responsible . Any leave voter who died will be replaced by an older and wiser vote remain who will now vote leave.
When these people are older they will be eternally greatfull that by leaving we have secured a much brighter future for the UK
I don't think many people will switch sides due to age. If anything they are more likely to remember the "good old days being part of the EU". I know nothing different other than being in the EU, my age range was the tipping point for people starting to vote leave. They are the people that remember a time before the EU.
No. I don’t think this is the case. I think the majority of the elderly voted to leave.
They did, but the correlation isn't actually with age, it's with education. The more educated a person is, the more likely they are to favour remain,
Haha, oh those poor uneducated oiks Rees-Mogg and Johnson.....yeah right.
Johnson is actually a remainer. It was only for political reasons that he plumped for Brexit (not expecting them to win).
And Rees-Mogg seems poised to profit handsomely from short-selling the pound in the event of no deal (you know, the sort of thing people are always demonising George Soros for doing), having already recommended that clients if his investment fund move their money to Ireland to avoid the effects of Brexit. People like him have the resources to be inside and outside the EU as it suits them. The rest of us don't.
Can I also just point out the lunacy of people thinking they're having a swing at "the establishment" by siding with Bullingdon Boris and Jacob "once went campaigning with Nanny" Rees-Smug?"The weirdest of all ironies.. Along with we don't want the unelected eu big wigs but we want the house of Lords..
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"What gets me about this is why anyone thought that Britain would not be the weaker party in the negotiations. If a bloke in a pub offers to fight a gang of 27 people whose going to be favourite to win? The other hilarious thing is the people who think the EU should not prioritise the interests of its members over those of the UK and moan about how ruthless and unfair the EU is being with the UK. This from people whose stock in trade is insulting and belittling the EU. So you think that not offering options for a deal to your biggest trading parter is looking after your members. Im not suggesting they give the uk everything that teresa wants but from whats being reported they arnt acutally offering any suggestions either But they are offering quite a few options. 1) Don't leave, stay as we are. 2) Leave but stay in Customs Union and Single Market. 3) Leave but stay in Customs Union. 4) Leave but stay in Single Market. 5) Leave but stay in EFTA (as we were in 1973 when we joined. We actually joined EFTA in 1960) 6) Leave with a Canada or Canada+++ FTA 7) Leave with no deal. The problem is not that the EU has not given us any opinions. The problem is that the UK government hasn't made up its mind which option it wants. " The complication is our arrangement with the Eu is more than a trade deal. It’s shared borders. And shared regulation. And shared treaties. Whoever says Canada plus plus ignores all this. Canada don’t have land borders with the Eu. They don’t use Eu arrangements to allow flights. We see this as being us and the Eu, and forget the rest of the world just see the Eu when setting up treaties, arrangements and equivalences. | |||
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"Greece here we come. "And just a few weeks ago remainers on here were saying how well Greece is doing! | |||
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"Yep Theresa May has lost the plot!! We need to reject the current proposal to leave Europe ! We certainly should consider our position and now most of us can see what damage brexit is doing to both our economy and Europe’s, perhaps we need a new referendum and a coalition government to manage and negotiate our position" Yep! A good strong coalition government.... | |||
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"No. We need to just get out and stop been bullied by the EU " 100% true THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN THATS WHAT A DEMOCRACY IS. | |||
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"No. We need to just get out and stop been bullied by the EU 100% true THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN THATS WHAT A DEMOCRACY IS." And, having spoken, they must never be allowed to speak again. | |||
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"We're getting nearer to what leavers voted for, leaving with nothing. At least just over half the Country would get what they wanted. Can't be that bad " | |||
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"We're getting nearer to what leavers voted for, leaving with nothing. At least just over half the Country would get what they wanted. Can't be that bad "that speech was designed to set up the "there is going to be a no deal an yet even after we leave the eu we will still blame the eu!!!" narrative old habits are going to die hard...... | |||
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"We're getting nearer to what leavers voted for, leaving with nothing. At least just over half the Country would get what they wanted. Can't be that bad
that speech was designed to set up the "there is going to be a no deal an yet even after we leave the eu we will still blame the eu!!!" narrative
old habits are going to die hard...... "Being able to blame the EU has been very useful for British governments in the past; do something unpopular (even if it's necessary, like high immigration) and instead of defending your position you just blame Brussels. | |||
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"I'm assuming no deal means no divorce payment?" Depends if we want to start our new "independent" life with a reputation for breaking our obligations. | |||
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"We're getting nearer to what leavers voted for, leaving with nothing. At least just over half the Country would get what they wanted. Can't be that bad
that speech was designed to set up the "there is going to be a no deal an yet even after we leave the eu we will still blame the eu!!!" narrative
old habits are going to die hard...... "spot on Fabio I think a no. Deal is looking more likely and I think the eu are pushing the Uk so they can’t be blamed | |||
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"No. We need to just get out and stop been bullied by the EU 100% true THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN THATS WHAT A DEMOCRACY IS. And, having spoken, they must never be allowed to speak again." or try to overthrow the discussion | |||
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"Fuck it, in for a penny..." A penny in the pound is the best we can hope for | |||
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"I'm assuming no deal means no divorce payment?" and no divorce payment will also mean no transition period... which means we go off the cliff march 30th and we will cease to be part of ANY treaties.... | |||
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"It’s looking more that way after mays last speech tday personally I’m glad to see her stand up and take a firmer stance and ffs can you all stop useing cliff edge swivel eyed clusterfuck sounds like you’ve been waching American b movies " well in you are one day part of hundreds of treaties and trade agreements.. and the next day you would be part of none... what you you like that we call it? just curious.... | |||
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"I'm assuming no deal means no divorce payment? Depends if we want to start our new "independent" life with a reputation for breaking our obligations." Its never been mentioned if the eu are going to continue to pay our farmers subsidies. Or do obligations only go one way? | |||
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