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The elephant in the Brexit living room

By *oo hot OP Couple over a year ago

North West

At the culmination of almost two and a half years of “negotiating” our way out of leaving the EU, we have witnessed a seemingly calamitous and embarrassing performance by U.K. Negotiators which has left the U.K. in a vulnerable position - should the UK choose to accept the deal. Or have we?

This is only the beginning of the journey and not even really the most important part of it. What no-one is mentioning is that should Theresa May’s plan be approved (or even if it isn’t) what follows are the trade negotiations.

We have just seen the U.K. come off as the compromised party in a Negotiation between the U.K. and a super sized trading block. But should it really be a surprise? Brexiters refer to this as “humiliation” and “punishment” but the reality is that it is actually a more favourable outcome than what could realistically be expected considering the respective sizes of the two economies.

So what is going to happen when trade negotiations actually start with the EU, China, USA, India and other super powers? Once again will the U.K. have to compromise because they are the junior partner? Will it be humiliation if U.K. Courts do not arbitrate these deals? Will it be a loss of Sovereignty? Who will be to blame? Remainers? The EU? The Conservatives?

The absolute reality that is plain to see is that we have just witnessed the preview performance of what is going to happen either in two years time or from April if we crashout without any form of transition. Humiliation after humiliation as the U.K. is put into its place by the true global giants and we are left to celebrate the small victories making trade deals with New Zealand, Chile, Mexico and similar.

The U.K. has not actually been humiliated by anyone, yet. But it will happen. I just wonder who the Brexit delusionalists will blame when we are?

PS My guess as to the reason that the EU political declaration was so vague and so weak is that Theresa May knew she could not stomach publishing the truth of it, alongside her withdrawal plan.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

The reason the UK finds itself in suck a weak negotiation is because we had not cards to play.

For 2 years and more, the great and the good have assumed they can keep the benefits of membership.

So they did no planning for any no-deal scenario.

The EU knew it.

The only outcome ever in the control of the UK to deliver was a no-deal exit, and it consistently refused to contemplate it.

That's why the prospect now causes such panic - no-one is prepared.

No investment, no infrastructure, no nothing - just panic measures when you discover Amazon has bought up all the surplus warehousing capacity.

No-one wants to admit it, of course. Stiff upper lip and all that chaps, we're British, it's not the done thing.

We are between a rock and a very hard place. Very hard.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Meh.

I don't know what you're worried about.

Napoleon. Beat him.

That Kaiser chap. Neat him.

Hitler. Beat him.

The main point is we did all these things completely by ourselves and didn't need anyone's help.

From that fact it naturally leads to the conclusion that we are strongest when starving and living a life of danger and misery.

Consequently we should do all that we can to put ourselves in the worst possible situation which will allow us to be at our best.

If you do not believe this you are a defeatist remoaner who hates your country.

So there

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

BREXITERS have agreed that the UK’s economy is oversized, unwieldy and needs to be trimmed by about eight per cent.

Senior figures in the Brexit movement have also decided that house prices are on average 30 per cent too high, inflation could do with going up to 6.6 per cent, and there should be more unemployment.

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Former Brexit minister David Davis said: “The UK’s simply been too successful. This bulldog’s too fat.

“To compete in the lean, mean global marketplace we need a slimmer, hungrier Britain, with good high interest rates to encourage mortgage holders to take second jobs in the evening.

“Get out of your comfort zone, people. So what if you can’t afford butter? Could Shakespeare? Did Isaac Newton complain about only having one pair of trousers?

“We need to downsize. We need to shed a few pounds. It’s diet time, and what could make dieting easier than there being no food?”

Davis added: “Eight per cent is nothing. If we’re ambitious, we can halve our economy’s size.”

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes let's return to the good old 1980s while we are at it with Show of hands strike ballots, IMF showing us how to run our economy. All this can easily be arranged at a voting booth near you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Apologies for error in history. My mistake, that was in 1976 not the 1980s when " don't worry children, my eye brows peel off", Denis Healey was in charge. But you get the idea.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"BREXITERS have agreed that the UK’s economy is oversized, unwieldy and needs to be trimmed by about eight per cent.

Senior figures in the Brexit movement have also decided that house prices are on average 30 per cent too high, inflation could do with going up to 6.6 per cent, and there should be more unemployment.

–– ADVERTISEMENT ––

Former Brexit minister David Davis said: “The UK’s simply been too successful. This bulldog’s too fat.

“To compete in the lean, mean global marketplace we need a slimmer, hungrier Britain, with good high interest rates to encourage mortgage holders to take second jobs in the evening.

“Get out of your comfort zone, people. So what if you can’t afford butter? Could Shakespeare? Did Isaac Newton complain about only having one pair of trousers?

“We need to downsize. We need to shed a few pounds. It’s diet time, and what could make dieting easier than there being no food?”

Davis added: “Eight per cent is nothing. If we’re ambitious, we can halve our economy’s size.”"

"Thick as mince"?

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Chudleigh

"Meh.

I don't know what you're worried about.

Napoleon. Beat him.

That Kaiser chap. Neat him.

Hitler. Beat him.

The main point is we did all these things completely by ourselves and didn't need anyone's help.

From that fact it naturally leads to the conclusion that we are strongest when starving and living a life of danger and misery.

Consequently we should do all that we can to put ourselves in the worst possible situation which will allow us to be at our best.

If you do not believe this you are a defeatist remoaner who hates your country.

So there

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Napoleon - did not do it on our own

Kaiser - did not do it on our own

Hitler - did not do it on our own

Are you getting the theme here, even at the ‘hieght’ of our ‘empire’, we worked with others. The only way forward is to partner with our peers in Europe and possibly learning some history rather than making it up