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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election? "
If we leave the surely he cannot be a EU parliament member ? |
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I think we need MEPs to vote in the unelected and then to vote through the laws the elected unelected force on us undemocratically. Or something.
Good money in it tho.  |
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election? "
We don’t elect the Civil Service in this country either. Whether you like Farage or not he was elected like all the other MEPs. |
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election? "
Because you're confusing MEP's with the Presidents and lumping them all in together.
There are 5 EU Presidents, the President of the Commission (Jean Claude Juncker), The President of the Summit Council (Donald Tusk), The President of the Euro group, The President of the European Central Bank (ECB) and the President of The European Parliament. All the 5 Presidents are unelected.
It is the Presidents who hold and wield the majority of power in the EU. The unelected commission propose and make laws and regulations to put forward to the European Parliament to be voted on by MEP's. MEP's (like Nigel Farage) are directly elected by the people. MEP's hold very little power in the EU, all they do is debate on legislation put before them by the Commission, and then after debate they can either vote in favour of it or against it.
When people refer to unelected Brussels bureaucrats running the EU they are referring to the Presidents like Juncker and Tusk. |
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election?
We don’t elect the Civil Service in this country either. Whether you like Farage or not he was elected like all the other MEPs."
The civil service in the UK don't make laws though, they enact laws that have been passed by Parliament. Every single member of the House of Commons who make the laws in the uk is elected by the People as an MP. The Prime minister is directly elected by the people as an MP. Every member of the cabinet is directly elected by the people as an MP. MP's are directly elected by the people, and they can be removed by the people at the next election through the ballot box if their constituents don't like them or think they're doing a bad job. In this sense they are directly accountable to their constituents.
The unelected EU Presidents are not elected by the people and there is no democratic process or Mechanism for the people to remove them either. They are not elected or accountable to anyone. |
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"You give lots of Money every year to the unelected
The Queen & HRMC .
Why are we not leaving that horrible overbearing money stealing group ?
!!! ??
!!!
?????? "
Does the Queen make laws and regulations that govern us? |
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"You give lots of Money every year to the unelected
The Queen & HRMC .
Why are we not leaving that horrible overbearing money stealing group ?
!!! ??
!!!
?????? "
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Do you work?. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election?
Because you're confusing MEP's with the Presidents and lumping them all in together.
There are 5 EU Presidents, the President of the Commission (Jean Claude Juncker), The President of the Summit Council (Donald Tusk), The President of the Euro group, The President of the European Central Bank (ECB) and the President of The European Parliament. All the 5 Presidents are unelected.
It is the Presidents who hold and wield the majority of power in the EU. The unelected commission propose and make laws and regulations to put forward to the European Parliament to be voted on by MEP's. MEP's (like Nigel Farage) are directly elected by the people. MEP's hold very little power in the EU, all they do is debate on legislation put before them by the Commission, and then after debate they can either vote in favour of it or against it.
When people refer to unelected Brussels bureaucrats running the EU they are referring to the Presidents like Juncker and Tusk. "
More bogus claims.
Juncker, for example, is elected by the council of ministers.
I seem to recall the UK backed a different candidate but lost.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election?
Because you're confusing MEP's with the Presidents and lumping them all in together.
There are 5 EU Presidents, the President of the Commission (Jean Claude Juncker), The President of the Summit Council (Donald Tusk), The President of the Euro group, The President of the European Central Bank (ECB) and the President of The European Parliament. All the 5 Presidents are unelected.
It is the Presidents who hold and wield the majority of power in the EU. The unelected commission propose and make laws and regulations to put forward to the European Parliament to be voted on by MEP's. MEP's (like Nigel Farage) are directly elected by the people. MEP's hold very little power in the EU, all they do is debate on legislation put before them by the Commission, and then after debate they can either vote in favour of it or against it.
When people refer to unelected Brussels bureaucrats running the EU they are referring to the Presidents like Juncker and Tusk.
More bogus claims.
Juncker, for example, is elected by the council of ministers.
I seem to recall the UK backed a different candidate but lost.
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and it is not fair to put the president of the ECB on that list because no country in the world elects the governor of their own central bank.... (and since we are not governed by the ECB anyway, since it covers the eurozone, it had zero to do with us) |
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election?
Because you're confusing MEP's with the Presidents and lumping them all in together.
There are 5 EU Presidents, the President of the Commission (Jean Claude Juncker), The President of the Summit Council (Donald Tusk), The President of the Euro group, The President of the European Central Bank (ECB) and the President of The European Parliament. All the 5 Presidents are unelected.
It is the Presidents who hold and wield the majority of power in the EU. The unelected commission propose and make laws and regulations to put forward to the European Parliament to be voted on by MEP's. MEP's (like Nigel Farage) are directly elected by the people. MEP's hold very little power in the EU, all they do is debate on legislation put before them by the Commission, and then after debate they can either vote in favour of it or against it.
When people refer to unelected Brussels bureaucrats running the EU they are referring to the Presidents like Juncker and Tusk.
More bogus claims.
Juncker, for example, is elected by the council of ministers.
I seem to recall the UK backed a different candidate but lost.
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So Juncker is not directly elected by the people in any way then, thanks for confirming it. |
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election?
Because you're confusing MEP's with the Presidents and lumping them all in together.
There are 5 EU Presidents, the President of the Commission (Jean Claude Juncker), The President of the Summit Council (Donald Tusk), The President of the Euro group, The President of the European Central Bank (ECB) and the President of The European Parliament. All the 5 Presidents are unelected.
It is the Presidents who hold and wield the majority of power in the EU. The unelected commission propose and make laws and regulations to put forward to the European Parliament to be voted on by MEP's. MEP's (like Nigel Farage) are directly elected by the people. MEP's hold very little power in the EU, all they do is debate on legislation put before them by the Commission, and then after debate they can either vote in favour of it or against it.
When people refer to unelected Brussels bureaucrats running the EU they are referring to the Presidents like Juncker and Tusk.
More bogus claims.
Juncker, for example, is elected by the council of ministers.
I seem to recall the UK backed a different candidate but lost.
and it is not fair to put the president of the ECB on that list because no country in the world elects the governor of their own central bank.... (and since we are not governed by the ECB anyway, since it covers the eurozone, it had zero to do with us)"
So the ECB and the Eurozone has zero to do with us but when Greece, Portugal and Rep of Ireland needed bailouts in the Eurozone we were expected to pay up to help bail them out. If you're in any doubt about it just watch part 2 of 'Europe - 10 years in turmoil' on the BBC iplayer about the Eurozone crisis. On that basis it's completely fair to put the President of the ECB on that list. |
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election?
Because you're confusing MEP's with the Presidents and lumping them all in together.
There are 5 EU Presidents, the President of the Commission (Jean Claude Juncker), The President of the Summit Council (Donald Tusk), The President of the Euro group, The President of the European Central Bank (ECB) and the President of The European Parliament. All the 5 Presidents are unelected.
It is the Presidents who hold and wield the majority of power in the EU. The unelected commission propose and make laws and regulations to put forward to the European Parliament to be voted on by MEP's. MEP's (like Nigel Farage) are directly elected by the people. MEP's hold very little power in the EU, all they do is debate on legislation put before them by the Commission, and then after debate they can either vote in favour of it or against it.
When people refer to unelected Brussels bureaucrats running the EU they are referring to the Presidents like Juncker and Tusk.
More bogus claims.
Juncker, for example, is elected by the council of ministers.
I seem to recall the UK backed a different candidate but lost.
So Juncker is not directly elected by the people in any way then, thanks for confirming it. "
He is appointed by the European Council which consists of the Leaders of each European Country, so yes he is directly elected, by people who won their own elections.
Are you proposing that we should do it the US way?  |
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election?
Because you're confusing MEP's with the Presidents and lumping them all in together.
There are 5 EU Presidents, the President of the Commission (Jean Claude Juncker), The President of the Summit Council (Donald Tusk), The President of the Euro group, The President of the European Central Bank (ECB) and the President of The European Parliament. All the 5 Presidents are unelected.
It is the Presidents who hold and wield the majority of power in the EU. The unelected commission propose and make laws and regulations to put forward to the European Parliament to be voted on by MEP's. MEP's (like Nigel Farage) are directly elected by the people. MEP's hold very little power in the EU, all they do is debate on legislation put before them by the Commission, and then after debate they can either vote in favour of it or against it.
When people refer to unelected Brussels bureaucrats running the EU they are referring to the Presidents like Juncker and Tusk.
More bogus claims.
Juncker, for example, is elected by the council of ministers.
I seem to recall the UK backed a different candidate but lost.
So Juncker is not directly elected by the people in any way then, thanks for confirming it.
He is appointed by the European Council which consists of the Leaders of each European Country, so yes he is directly elected, by people who won their own elections.
Are you proposing that we should do it the US way? "
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election?
Because you're confusing MEP's with the Presidents and lumping them all in together.
There are 5 EU Presidents, the President of the Commission (Jean Claude Juncker), The President of the Summit Council (Donald Tusk), The President of the Euro group, The President of the European Central Bank (ECB) and the President of The European Parliament. All the 5 Presidents are unelected.
It is the Presidents who hold and wield the majority of power in the EU. The unelected commission propose and make laws and regulations to put forward to the European Parliament to be voted on by MEP's. MEP's (like Nigel Farage) are directly elected by the people. MEP's hold very little power in the EU, all they do is debate on legislation put before them by the Commission, and then after debate they can either vote in favour of it or against it.
When people refer to unelected Brussels bureaucrats running the EU they are referring to the Presidents like Juncker and Tusk.
More bogus claims.
Juncker, for example, is elected by the council of ministers.
I seem to recall the UK backed a different candidate but lost.
So Juncker is not directly elected by the people in any way then, thanks for confirming it.
He is appointed by the European Council which consists of the Leaders of each European Country, so yes he is directly elected, by people who won their own elections.
Are you proposing that we should do it the US way?
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election?
Because you're confusing MEP's with the Presidents and lumping them all in together.
There are 5 EU Presidents, the President of the Commission (Jean Claude Juncker), The President of the Summit Council (Donald Tusk), The President of the Euro group, The President of the European Central Bank (ECB) and the President of The European Parliament. All the 5 Presidents are unelected.
It is the Presidents who hold and wield the majority of power in the EU. The unelected commission propose and make laws and regulations to put forward to the European Parliament to be voted on by MEP's. MEP's (like Nigel Farage) are directly elected by the people. MEP's hold very little power in the EU, all they do is debate on legislation put before them by the Commission, and then after debate they can either vote in favour of it or against it.
When people refer to unelected Brussels bureaucrats running the EU they are referring to the Presidents like Juncker and Tusk.
More bogus claims.
Juncker, for example, is elected by the council of ministers.
I seem to recall the UK backed a different candidate but lost.
So Juncker is not directly elected by the people in any way then, thanks for confirming it.
He is appointed by the European Council which consists of the Leaders of each European Country, so yes he is directly elected, by people who won their own elections.
Are you proposing that we should do it the US way? "
Not really although I think that would be an improvement on the current system.
The system I would prefer would be a system similar to the House of commons. The Prime minister in the uk is an elected MP in the House of Commons. Theresa May was elected as an MP by her constituents in Maidenhead, so she is directly accountable to the people who elected her there. If her constituents think she is doing a bad job they can vote to remove her as an MP at the next election.
In the EU, I think the 5 Presidents should be required to be directly elected by the people as MEP's. Theresa May must become an MP before she can be Prime minister. In the same regard The 5 EU Presidents should be MEP's. Juncker and Tusk have never once been elected by the people as MEP's. |
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election?
Because you're confusing MEP's with the Presidents and lumping them all in together.
There are 5 EU Presidents, the President of the Commission (Jean Claude Juncker), The President of the Summit Council (Donald Tusk), The President of the Euro group, The President of the European Central Bank (ECB) and the President of The European Parliament. All the 5 Presidents are unelected.
It is the Presidents who hold and wield the majority of power in the EU. The unelected commission propose and make laws and regulations to put forward to the European Parliament to be voted on by MEP's. MEP's (like Nigel Farage) are directly elected by the people. MEP's hold very little power in the EU, all they do is debate on legislation put before them by the Commission, and then after debate they can either vote in favour of it or against it.
When people refer to unelected Brussels bureaucrats running the EU they are referring to the Presidents like Juncker and Tusk.
More bogus claims.
Juncker, for example, is elected by the council of ministers.
I seem to recall the UK backed a different candidate but lost.
So Juncker is not directly elected by the people in any way then, thanks for confirming it.
He is appointed by the European Council which consists of the Leaders of each European Country, so yes he is directly elected, by people who won their own elections.
Are you proposing that we should do it the US way?
Not really although I think that would be an improvement on the current system.
The system I would prefer would be a system similar to the House of commons. The Prime minister in the uk is an elected MP in the House of Commons. Theresa May was elected as an MP by her constituents in Maidenhead, so she is directly accountable to the people who elected her there. If her constituents think she is doing a bad job they can vote to remove her as an MP at the next election.
In the EU, I think the 5 Presidents should be required to be directly elected by the people as MEP's. Theresa May must become an MP before she can be Prime minister. In the same regard The 5 EU Presidents should be MEP's. Juncker and Tusk have never once been elected by the people as MEP's. "
May can be elected by getting the largest minority of votes of a relatively small group of people. The votes of everyone else in her constituency are binned. Even if they are the majority.
She becomes PM by dint of a handful of people voting for her. Or even going through a series of ballots where she only needs to get at least the second lowest number of votes. She then doesn’t even have to face a members vote.
She selects her executive unilaterally.
And as common practice has only the executive can suggest primarily legislation, all changes to the law come from This small group. And with a bit of a greaser to the DuP she can often get most passed.
And this is all seems more democratic even tho millions of votes are thrown away just because Less than 38 thousand people made a positive declaration in her favour.
Compared to a house which is representative of the voters. And a “leader” selected by all of the house. |
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election?
Because you're confusing MEP's with the Presidents and lumping them all in together.
There are 5 EU Presidents, the President of the Commission (Jean Claude Juncker), The President of the Summit Council (Donald Tusk), The President of the Euro group, The President of the European Central Bank (ECB) and the President of The European Parliament. All the 5 Presidents are unelected.
It is the Presidents who hold and wield the majority of power in the EU. The unelected commission propose and make laws and regulations to put forward to the European Parliament to be voted on by MEP's. MEP's (like Nigel Farage) are directly elected by the people. MEP's hold very little power in the EU, all they do is debate on legislation put before them by the Commission, and then after debate they can either vote in favour of it or against it.
When people refer to unelected Brussels bureaucrats running the EU they are referring to the Presidents like Juncker and Tusk.
More bogus claims.
Juncker, for example, is elected by the council of ministers.
I seem to recall the UK backed a different candidate but lost.
So Juncker is not directly elected by the people in any way then, thanks for confirming it.
He is appointed by the European Council which consists of the Leaders of each European Country, so yes he is directly elected, by people who won their own elections.
Are you proposing that we should do it the US way?
Not really although I think that would be an improvement on the current system.
The system I would prefer would be a system similar to the House of commons. The Prime minister in the uk is an elected MP in the House of Commons. Theresa May was elected as an MP by her constituents in Maidenhead, so she is directly accountable to the people who elected her there. If her constituents think she is doing a bad job they can vote to remove her as an MP at the next election.
In the EU, I think the 5 Presidents should be required to be directly elected by the people as MEP's. Theresa May must become an MP before she can be Prime minister. In the same regard The 5 EU Presidents should be MEP's. Juncker and Tusk have never once been elected by the people as MEP's.
May can be elected by getting the largest minority of votes of a relatively small group of people. The votes of everyone else in her constituency are binned. Even if they are the majority.
She becomes PM by dint of a handful of people voting for her. Or even going through a series of ballots where she only needs to get at least the second lowest number of votes. She then doesn’t even have to face a members vote.
She selects her executive unilaterally.
And as common practice has only the executive can suggest primarily legislation, all changes to the law come from This small group. And with a bit of a greaser to the DuP she can often get most passed.
And this is all seems more democratic even tho millions of votes are thrown away just because Less than 38 thousand people made a positive declaration in her favour.
Compared to a house which is representative of the voters. And a “leader” selected by all of the house. "
Again the executive in the cabinet are all democratically elected by the people as MP's.
You can't make it into the executive of the cabinet unless you become a democratically elected MP first.
The DUP in the House of commons are also directly democratically elected by the people to be MP's. In this sense there is always a direct link back to the people who they govern over.
The same cannot be said of the 5 EU Presidents. There is no direct link back to the people in their appointment to their roles as Presidents. |
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election?
Because you're confusing MEP's with the Presidents and lumping them all in together.
There are 5 EU Presidents, the President of the Commission (Jean Claude Juncker), The President of the Summit Council (Donald Tusk), The President of the Euro group, The President of the European Central Bank (ECB) and the President of The European Parliament. All the 5 Presidents are unelected.
It is the Presidents who hold and wield the majority of power in the EU. The unelected commission propose and make laws and regulations to put forward to the European Parliament to be voted on by MEP's. MEP's (like Nigel Farage) are directly elected by the people. MEP's hold very little power in the EU, all they do is debate on legislation put before them by the Commission, and then after debate they can either vote in favour of it or against it.
When people refer to unelected Brussels bureaucrats running the EU they are referring to the Presidents like Juncker and Tusk.
More bogus claims.
Juncker, for example, is elected by the council of ministers.
I seem to recall the UK backed a different candidate but lost.
So Juncker is not directly elected by the people in any way then, thanks for confirming it.
He is appointed by the European Council which consists of the Leaders of each European Country, so yes he is directly elected, by people who won their own elections.
Are you proposing that we should do it the US way?
Not really although I think that would be an improvement on the current system.
The system I would prefer would be a system similar to the House of commons. The Prime minister in the uk is an elected MP in the House of Commons. Theresa May was elected as an MP by her constituents in Maidenhead, so she is directly accountable to the people who elected her there. If her constituents think she is doing a bad job they can vote to remove her as an MP at the next election.
In the EU, I think the 5 Presidents should be required to be directly elected by the people as MEP's. Theresa May must become an MP before she can be Prime minister. In the same regard The 5 EU Presidents should be MEP's. Juncker and Tusk have never once been elected by the people as MEP's.
May can be elected by getting the largest minority of votes of a relatively small group of people. The votes of everyone else in her constituency are binned. Even if they are the majority.
She becomes PM by dint of a handful of people voting for her. Or even going through a series of ballots where she only needs to get at least the second lowest number of votes. She then doesn’t even have to face a members vote.
She selects her executive unilaterally.
And as common practice has only the executive can suggest primarily legislation, all changes to the law come from This small group. And with a bit of a greaser to the DuP she can often get most passed.
And this is all seems more democratic even tho millions of votes are thrown away just because Less than 38 thousand people made a positive declaration in her favour.
Compared to a house which is representative of the voters. And a “leader” selected by all of the house.
Again the executive in the cabinet are all democratically elected by the people as MP's.
You can't make it into the executive of the cabinet unless you become a democratically elected MP first.
The DUP in the House of commons are also directly democratically elected by the people to be MP's. In this sense there is always a direct link back to the people who they govern over.
The same cannot be said of the 5 EU Presidents. There is no direct link back to the people in their appointment to their roles as Presidents. "
I don’t disagree that each of the people had some people put a cross in a box for them. But let’s not start saying “the people” voted them in. It’s their constituents whixh may not be close to representative of the people.
And our democratic system ignores all this in their constituency who didn’t want to put vote for them.
And once they have a place in the house, the creation of true power, the role of PM, the executive, is done with minimal say from the people.
I’d rather have as many of the people’s boices represented as far into the chain of command as possible. I see that as more democratic than a system where maybe 60% of the votes are ignored. And the 40% of votes only really have a say about who’s a footman. Not a general. |
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election?
Because you're confusing MEP's with the Presidents and lumping them all in together.
There are 5 EU Presidents, the President of the Commission (Jean Claude Juncker), The President of the Summit Council (Donald Tusk), The President of the Euro group, The President of the European Central Bank (ECB) and the President of The European Parliament. All the 5 Presidents are unelected.
It is the Presidents who hold and wield the majority of power in the EU. The unelected commission propose and make laws and regulations to put forward to the European Parliament to be voted on by MEP's. MEP's (like Nigel Farage) are directly elected by the people. MEP's hold very little power in the EU, all they do is debate on legislation put before them by the Commission, and then after debate they can either vote in favour of it or against it.
When people refer to unelected Brussels bureaucrats running the EU they are referring to the Presidents like Juncker and Tusk. "
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By *ara JTV/TS
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Juncker, for example, is elected by the council of ministers.
I seem to recall the UK backed a different candidate but lost.
So Juncker is not directly elected by the people in any way then, thanks for confirming it. "
Neither is Mrs May. In case you had not noticed. |
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election?
Because you're confusing MEP's with the Presidents and lumping them all in together.
There are 5 EU Presidents, the President of the Commission (Jean Claude Juncker), The President of the Summit Council (Donald Tusk), The President of the Euro group, The President of the European Central Bank (ECB) and the President of The European Parliament. All the 5 Presidents are unelected.
It is the Presidents who hold and wield the majority of power in the EU. The unelected commission propose and make laws and regulations to put forward to the European Parliament to be voted on by MEP's. MEP's (like Nigel Farage) are directly elected by the people. MEP's hold very little power in the EU, all they do is debate on legislation put before them by the Commission, and then after debate they can either vote in favour of it or against it.
When people refer to unelected Brussels bureaucrats running the EU they are referring to the Presidents like Juncker and Tusk.
More bogus claims.
Juncker, for example, is elected by the council of ministers.
I seem to recall the UK backed a different candidate but lost.
So Juncker is not directly elected by the people in any way then, thanks for confirming it.
He is appointed by the European Council which consists of the Leaders of each European Country, so yes he is directly elected, by people who won their own elections.
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Ohhh God.....
Unelected Junker, here we go yet again on this merry-go-round of lies & bullshit.....
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The European Council has to propose a candidate for the post of President of the European Commission.
The European Parliament has to approve the proposed candidate by a majority of its members (a minimum of 376 MEPs). If the European Council's candidate doesn't get a majority approval in the Parliament vote, the European Council has to propose a new candidate. This has to be done within a month of the failed vote in the Parliament.
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Another gigantic chunk of Brexit bullshit that's so easy to get the real facts.
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The European Council is a collective body that defines the European Union's overall political direction and priorities. It comprises the heads of state or government of the EU member states. "
So, every member states Prime Minister / comparable position makes up the European Council, each elected by their voting public in their own country to make decisions on their behalf.
It's them publicly elected heads of state in the European Council that propose a candidate for the President of the European Commission.
That choosen candidate is then put forward for MEP's "who are also voted into being an MEP by their voting public from their respective countries" to a vote on the proposed candidate to be Commission President.
Without the public of every European country voting there would be no Commission President, no European Council or anything.
It's just all lies, half truths and twisted alternative facts used to try and batter the voting public enough with to finally convince them that a lie is in fact a truth.
I'm supprised they don't whine, bitch and moan that they don't get to elect who becomes Foreign Secretary or Education Secretary etc etc
Unelected my arse... |
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election?
Because you're confusing MEP's with the Presidents and lumping them all in together.
There are 5 EU Presidents, the President of the Commission (Jean Claude Juncker), The President of the Summit Council (Donald Tusk), The President of the Euro group, The President of the European Central Bank (ECB) and the President of The European Parliament. All the 5 Presidents are unelected.
It is the Presidents who hold and wield the majority of power in the EU. The unelected commission propose and make laws and regulations to put forward to the European Parliament to be voted on by MEP's. MEP's (like Nigel Farage) are directly elected by the people. MEP's hold very little power in the EU, all they do is debate on legislation put before them by the Commission, and then after debate they can either vote in favour of it or against it.
When people refer to unelected Brussels bureaucrats running the EU they are referring to the Presidents like Juncker and Tusk.
More bogus claims.
Juncker, for example, is elected by the council of ministers.
I seem to recall the UK backed a different candidate but lost.
So Juncker is not directly elected by the people in any way then, thanks for confirming it.
He is appointed by the European Council which consists of the Leaders of each European Country, so yes he is directly elected, by people who won their own elections.
Ohhh God.....
Unelected Junker, here we go yet again on this merry-go-round of lies & bullshit.....
The European Council has to propose a candidate for the post of President of the European Commission.
The European Parliament has to approve the proposed candidate by a majority of its members (a minimum of 376 MEPs). If the European Council's candidate doesn't get a majority approval in the Parliament vote, the European Council has to propose a new candidate. This has to be done within a month of the failed vote in the Parliament.
Another gigantic chunk of Brexit bullshit that's so easy to get the real facts.
The European Council is a collective body that defines the European Union's overall political direction and priorities. It comprises the heads of state or government of the EU member states.
So, every member states Prime Minister / comparable position makes up the European Council, each elected by their voting public in their own country to make decisions on their behalf.
It's them publicly elected heads of state in the European Council that propose a candidate for the President of the European Commission.
That choosen candidate is then put forward for MEP's "who are also voted into being an MEP by their voting public from their respective countries" to a vote on the proposed candidate to be Commission President.
Without the public of every European country voting there would be no Commission President, no European Council or anything.
It's just all lies, half truths and twisted alternative facts used to try and batter the voting public enough with to finally convince them that a lie is in fact a truth.
I'm supprised they don't whine, bitch and moan that they don't get to elect who becomes Foreign Secretary or Education Secretary etc etc
Unelected my arse... "
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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The President of the European Parliament is an elected MEP which makes your assertion untrue regardless.
The President of the European Central Bank is a central bank governor. They are not elected anywhere in the world. They are appointed and approved based on their experience and knowledge of banking.
The Council of the EU is where national ministers discuss the implied ration of legislation.
The President acts as the chairman of these meetings and sets the agenda. The Presidency rotates every six months. Really rather fair for this sort of position. Not sure why an election would be appropriate.
The Council of Ministers represents national governments. All national governments are elected. All ministers are appointed to this council as they are to national cabinets. A minister in the UK does not have to be elected. They can be peers. In the USA by way of contrast they can be anybody at all. The President of the Council is elected by the members of the council. The mandate is given by the votes of national governments as this is who this group represents.
The European Commission represents the EU as an entity. The President of the EU is nominated by agreement of the Council of Ministers and voted in by the European Parliament. It is a position that comes under double scrutiny. I personally don't like the current incumbent, but that goes for most UK Prime Ministers too.
So, the European parliament represents constituents and all elections are direct.
The ECB is a central bank and is not supposed to be a democratic institution.
The European council is a rotating chairmanship.
The Council of Ministers represents national governments and is elected by them.
The European Commission is the bureaucracy of the EU as a supranational organisation and it's leader is selected by national governments and elected representatives.
All seems reasonable to me.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election?
Because you're confusing MEP's with the Presidents and lumping them all in together.
There are 5 EU Presidents, the President of the Commission (Jean Claude Juncker), The President of the Summit Council (Donald Tusk), The President of the Euro group, The President of the European Central Bank (ECB) and the President of The European Parliament. All the 5 Presidents are unelected.
It is the Presidents who hold and wield the majority of power in the EU. The unelected commission propose and make laws and regulations to put forward to the European Parliament to be voted on by MEP's. MEP's (like Nigel Farage) are directly elected by the people. MEP's hold very little power in the EU, all they do is debate on legislation put before them by the Commission, and then after debate they can either vote in favour of it or against it.
When people refer to unelected Brussels bureaucrats running the EU they are referring to the Presidents like Juncker and Tusk.
More bogus claims.
Juncker, for example, is elected by the council of ministers.
I seem to recall the UK backed a different candidate but lost.
So Juncker is not directly elected by the people in any way then, thanks for confirming it.
He is appointed by the European Council which consists of the Leaders of each European Country, so yes he is directly elected, by people who won their own elections.
Are you proposing that we should do it the US way?
Not really although I think that would be an improvement on the current system.
The system I would prefer would be a system similar to the House of commons. The Prime minister in the uk is an elected MP in the House of Commons. Theresa May was elected as an MP by her constituents in Maidenhead, so she is directly accountable to the people who elected her there. If her constituents think she is doing a bad job they can vote to remove her as an MP at the next election.
In the EU, I think the 5 Presidents should be required to be directly elected by the people as MEP's. Theresa May must become an MP before she can be Prime minister. In the same regard The 5 EU Presidents should be MEP's. Juncker and Tusk have never once been elected by the people as MEP's. "
Neither the Prime Minister nor any minister of state has to be an elected MP.
Have a check. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Marquis of Salisbury, 1903
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House of Commons Library:
Ministerial appointments
In theory a Government minister does not have to be a member of either House of Parliament.
In practice, however, convention is that ministers must be members of either the House of Commons or House of Lords in order to be accountable to Parliament.
From time to time, Prime Ministers appoint non-parliamentarians as ministers. In recent years such ministers have been appointed to the House of Lords.
Number of ministers in the House of Lords
In Theresa May’s June 2017 administration, there was just one Cabinet Minister in the House of Lords (the Leader of the House of Lords).
25 out of the total 118 (21%) ministers in government were in the House of Lords.
This compares to 23% at the start of the 2015 Cameron administration and 20% at the start of the 2010 Coalition Government. |
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"Marquis of Salisbury, 1903
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Lol you actually had to dig in the archives and go back over 100 years to come up with that.
If that happened today there would be public uproar. It's a non starter, we're living in 2019, not 1903! |
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election?
Because you're confusing MEP's with the Presidents and lumping them all in together.
There are 5 EU Presidents, the President of the Commission (Jean Claude Juncker), The President of the Summit Council (Donald Tusk), The President of the Euro group, The President of the European Central Bank (ECB) and the President of The European Parliament. All the 5 Presidents are unelected.
It is the Presidents who hold and wield the majority of power in the EU. The unelected commission propose and make laws and regulations to put forward to the European Parliament to be voted on by MEP's. MEP's (like Nigel Farage) are directly elected by the people. MEP's hold very little power in the EU, all they do is debate on legislation put before them by the Commission, and then after debate they can either vote in favour of it or against it.
When people refer to unelected Brussels bureaucrats running the EU they are referring to the Presidents like Juncker and Tusk.
More bogus claims.
Juncker, for example, is elected by the council of ministers.
I seem to recall the UK backed a different candidate but lost.
So Juncker is not directly elected by the people in any way then, thanks for confirming it.
He is appointed by the European Council which consists of the Leaders of each European Country, so yes he is directly elected, by people who won their own elections.
Are you proposing that we should do it the US way?
Not really although I think that would be an improvement on the current system.
The system I would prefer would be a system similar to the House of commons. The Prime minister in the uk is an elected MP in the House of Commons. Theresa May was elected as an MP by her constituents in Maidenhead, so she is directly accountable to the people who elected her there. If her constituents think she is doing a bad job they can vote to remove her as an MP at the next election.
In the EU, I think the 5 Presidents should be required to be directly elected by the people as MEP's. Theresa May must become an MP before she can be Prime minister. In the same regard The 5 EU Presidents should be MEP's. Juncker and Tusk have never once been elected by the people as MEP's.
Neither the Prime Minister nor any minister of state has to be an elected MP.
Have a check."
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Juncker, for example, is elected by the council of ministers.
I seem to recall the UK backed a different candidate but lost.
So Juncker is not directly elected by the people in any way then, thanks for confirming it.
Neither is Mrs May. In case you had not noticed."
Yes she is, she's elected as an MP by her constituents in Maidenhead.
Juncker is not elected by the people in any way. No member of the common public ever put a cross in a box for Juncker since he got a job in the EU. |
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House of Commons Library:
Ministerial appointments
In theory a Government minister does not have to be a member of either House of Parliament.
In practice, however, convention is that ministers must be members of either the House of Commons or House of Lords in order to be accountable to Parliament.
From time to time, Prime Ministers appoint non-parliamentarians as ministers. In recent years such ministers have been appointed to the House of Lords.
Number of ministers in the House of Lords
In Theresa May’s June 2017 administration, there was just one Cabinet Minister in the House of Lords (the Leader of the House of Lords).
25 out of the total 118 (21%) ministers in government were in the House of Lords.
This compares to 23% at the start of the 2015 Cameron administration and 20% at the start of the 2010 Coalition Government. "
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Juncker, for example, is elected by the council of ministers.
I seem to recall the UK backed a different candidate but lost.
So Juncker is not directly elected by the people in any way then, thanks for confirming it.
Neither is Mrs May. In case you had not noticed.
Yes she is, she's elected as an MP by her constituents in Maidenhead.
Juncker is not elected by the people in any way. No member of the common public ever put a cross in a box for Juncker since he got a job in the EU. "
Junker got elected by....
Our elected PM who we elect to act on our behalf was involved in putting Junker up or not for election.
Our MEP's who we elect to act on our behalf then vote yes or no to the proposed candidate.
Just because YOU didn't get to tick a box doesn't mean they are not elected by the people.
The people elect those they want to act on our behalf, just like our own Government system.
Do you seeth and hate The Foreign Secretary or any other Government minister because YOU didn't get a say if they got a cabinet job or not ?
Remember the main aspect, people you had the chance of voting for then voted in appointing Junker and if you don't like their decision "our PM & MEP's" then you have the option of voting them out of their position at the next election.
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"So,
The whole of Europe, the EE, etc is run by unelected.
And that is one of the key points behind the Brexit argument. We don't want to be dictated to by unelected Brussels beureaucrats.
So, how come if the European Parliament (of which Nigel Farage is a member) will be holding elections in a few months time. And how come Nigel Farage will stand for election?
Because you're confusing MEP's with the Presidents and lumping them all in together.
There are 5 EU Presidents, the President of the Commission (Jean Claude Juncker), The President of the Summit Council (Donald Tusk), The President of the Euro group, The President of the European Central Bank (ECB) and the President of The European Parliament. All the 5 Presidents are unelected.
It is the Presidents who hold and wield the majority of power in the EU. The unelected commission propose and make laws and regulations to put forward to the European Parliament to be voted on by MEP's. MEP's (like Nigel Farage) are directly elected by the people. MEP's hold very little power in the EU, all they do is debate on legislation put before them by the Commission, and then after debate they can either vote in favour of it or against it.
When people refer to unelected Brussels bureaucrats running the EU they are referring to the Presidents like Juncker and Tusk.
So MEPs basically have the power to set the law then. Donkey."
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Putting aside no MEP is explicitly chosen by anyone, if Juncker et al were MEPs, I assume this all goes away.
It is THAT important a handful of voters have directly said yes to someone (or at least their party).
And once that’s happened, we the people can get back in our box until the next election.
Let the chosen few create the power circles.
And that is what makes democracy. Not having all voices heard as much as possible.
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