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Revoke Article 50 Petition - Part 4

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

Nearly at 5m, we’re still having fun, over 1m marched in London yesterday - but apparently I should grow up! No chance

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think there is definitely a momentum building in the country against brexit.

At the same time the leavers are all out off steam and limping towards the finish line.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think that you’ll find that most of the leavers are actually leaving the country, or at least moving their business assets out!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think that you’ll find that most of the leavers are actually leaving the country, or at least moving their business assets out! "

Depends what you mean by “leaver”, do we mean those who orchestrated the campaign of lies and fear, those few individuals who stand to gain more wealth and power.

Or those who were convinced to vote leave by the above few individuals?

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By *ulu and MonkeyCouple over a year ago

Durham

5m is a lot for a petition

I wonder how high it will have to be before it makes those in power sit up and take notice...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"5m is a lot for a petition

I wonder how high it will have to be before it makes those in power sit up and take notice..."

The problem here is that the Tories don’t see the people signing the petition or the people marching as potential Conservative voters. So they don’t believe that doing anything for them will gain them any votes. Hence they will ignore.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Dint know whats wrong with you people, their was a democratic vote to leave the EU, agree or disagree, you respect the vote and be thankful you got one, most Eu citizens wiuld vote ti leave but havent got the chance

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"5m is a lot for a petition

I wonder how high it will have to be before it makes those in power sit up and take notice..."
Why would they when the 5 million dont respect the 17.5 million?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dint know whats wrong with you people, their was a democratic vote to leave the EU, agree or disagree, you respect the vote and be thankful you got one, most Eu citizens wiuld vote ti leave but havent got the chance"

Sorry? They have the EU elections coming up quite soon and they have plenty of choices to influence what happens. You might find that there are some politicians standing on a leave EU vote like our pet two faced mongrel farage.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Relax you'll get your chance to vote again

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I disagree, leaving the EU was far too complex an issue to put to the people, and should never have been put to a referendum.

And if you think that the rest of the EU is watching this cluster fuck and imminent tanking of our economy and thinking, "yeah, we want a piece of that", then you're out of touch. We are still the laughing stock we were the day the referendum results came in.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"5m is a lot for a petition

I wonder how high it will have to be before it makes those in power sit up and take notice...Why would they when the 5 million dont respect the 17.5 million?

Why should we expect them to respect either?

It's the Tories we are talking about here, who are openly, all in politics for personal gain. They treat all of us with contempt.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It wasn’t democratic though as we now know. Unless breaking electoral law is democratic?

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

" most Eu citizens wiuld vote ti leave but havent got the chance"

Do you have any evidence to substantiate that?

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By *teveuk77Man over a year ago

Don't make things up. Give some evidence if you are going to make such claims!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

5 million..

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By *heislanderMan over a year ago

cheshunt

Why haven’t the other 11m remainers signed ? ????

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why haven’t the other 11m remainers signed ? ????"

Same reason 17 million leavers didn't sign the leave with no deal petition that's live.

Not bothered. ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why haven’t the other 11m remainers signed ? ????"

Not everyone has internet access and not everyone who has will have seen it. I shared it with a few people who hadn’t who then signed it. And the number is still increasing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I agree the leave/ remain vote should never have been put to a vote but it was and we have to abide by it.

Ignoring the pros and cons of Brexit; what could happen if Brexit was reversed? Some potential fall out below;

1 The UK will become a bigger puppet to the EU.

2 The EU will become bigger bullies to other countries. Lets face it, if we can't get away no one else has much of a chance

3 Extreme right wing politics will increase by all the people who feel betrayed

4 Left wing facism will increase to combat rightwing extremists. We all know left wing facists murder more than any other group due to their fanatical nature leading to greater escalation.

5 Due to 3 and 4 and the betrayal of parliament riots and civil unrest will ensue

6 The EU will continue to push for a united states of europe then shit really goes wrong. Just look at the breakup of any enforced grouping of previously independant nations to see how that ends

7 A few million people who didn't get their own way lead to a Europe wide genocide and potentiall WW3. Well done, enjoy your granola.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Left wing fascism". Haha

The comments on here get more and more bizarre by the day.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

""Left wing fascism". Haha

The comments on here get more and more bizarre by the day."

Liberal facists have murdered millions and are as abhorrent as right wing facists. Both are equally as dangerous.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree the leave/ remain vote should never have been put to a vote but it was and we have to abide by it.

Ignoring the pros and cons of Brexit; what could happen if Brexit was reversed? Some potential fall out below;

1 The UK will become a bigger puppet to the EU.

2 The EU will become bigger bullies to other countries. Lets face it, if we can't get away no one else has much of a chance

3 Extreme right wing politics will increase by all the people who feel betrayed

4 Left wing facism will increase to combat rightwing extremists. We all know left wing facists murder more than any other group due to their fanatical nature leading to greater escalation.

5 Due to 3 and 4 and the betrayal of parliament riots and civil unrest will ensue

6 The EU will continue to push for a united states of europe then shit really goes wrong. Just look at the breakup of any enforced grouping of previously independant nations to see how that ends

7 A few million people who didn't get their own way lead to a Europe wide genocide and potentiall WW3. Well done, enjoy your granola."

Bloody hell! brexiters will deliver WW3 and genocide .

Relax dude everything will be cool.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree the leave/ remain vote should never have been put to a vote but it was and we have to abide by it.

Ignoring the pros and cons of Brexit; what could happen if Brexit was reversed? Some potential fall out below;

1 The UK will become a bigger puppet to the EU.

2 The EU will become bigger bullies to other countries. Lets face it, if we can't get away no one else has much of a chance

3 Extreme right wing politics will increase by all the people who feel betrayed

4 Left wing facism will increase to combat rightwing extremists. We all know left wing facists murder more than any other group due to their fanatical nature leading to greater escalation.

5 Due to 3 and 4 and the betrayal of parliament riots and civil unrest will ensue

6 The EU will continue to push for a united states of europe then shit really goes wrong. Just look at the breakup of any enforced grouping of previously independant nations to see how that ends

7 A few million people who didn't get their own way lead to a Europe wide genocide and potentiall WW3. Well done, enjoy your granola.

Bloody hell! brexiters will deliver WW3 and genocide .

Relax dude everything will be cool.

Starting my own project fear

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"Why haven’t the other 11m remainers signed ? ????

Not everyone has internet access and not everyone who has will have seen it. I shared it with a few people who hadn’t who then signed it. And the number is still increasing. "

people havent seen it lol are they living under a rock you cant get away from it i dnt care if we stay or leave but i can see the extreme left and extreme right gaining mor support from millions if we dnt leave.just my opinion.just like everything else on here opinion and nothing else.dnt forget wether you leave or remain your borh gettin your info from peeps with vested intrests on both side and lets be honest there are no honest politicians just politicians

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

""Left wing fascism". Haha

The comments on here get more and more bizarre by the day.

Liberal facists have murdered millions and are as abhorrent as right wing facists. Both are equally as dangerous."

I think you're getting confused about what a fascist is.

"Fascism (/'fæ??z?m/) is a form of radical, right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy, which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe."

To use your example, Pol Pot, left wing, killed millions, not a fascist.

Hitler, right wing, killed millions, fascist.

The fact that they're fascist or not is irrelevant in this instance.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree the leave/ remain vote should never have been put to a vote but it was and we have to abide by it.

Ignoring the pros and cons of Brexit; what could happen if Brexit was reversed? Some potential fall out below;

1 The UK will become a bigger puppet to the EU.

2 The EU will become bigger bullies to other countries. Lets face it, if we can't get away no one else has much of a chance

3 Extreme right wing politics will increase by all the people who feel betrayed

4 Left wing facism will increase to combat rightwing extremists. We all know left wing facists murder more than any other group due to their fanatical nature leading to greater escalation.

5 Due to 3 and 4 and the betrayal of parliament riots and civil unrest will ensue

6 The EU will continue to push for a united states of europe then shit really goes wrong. Just look at the breakup of any enforced grouping of previously independant nations to see how that ends

7 A few million people who didn't get their own way lead to a Europe wide genocide and potentiall WW3. Well done, enjoy your granola."

Meanwhile back on fantasy island...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

""Left wing fascism". Haha

The comments on here get more and more bizarre by the day.

Liberal facists have murdered millions and are as abhorrent as right wing facists. Both are equally as dangerous.

I think you're getting confused about what a fascist is.

To use your example, Pol Pot, left wing, killed millions, not a fascist.

Hitler, right wing, killed millions, fascist.

The fact that they're fascist or not is irrelevant in this instance."

Not getting into an argument about it as we agree left wing extremists murder as many, if not more, than their right wing counterparts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why haven’t the other 11m remainers signed ? ????

Not everyone has internet access and not everyone who has will have seen it. I shared it with a few people who hadn’t who then signed it. And the number is still increasing.

It’s going to be quite tricky seeing it or signing it, if you haven’t got internet access. And as people are still signing it by the thousand every few minutes, it demonstrates that they’ve only just seen it.

“wether you leave or remain your borh gettin your info from peeps with vested intrests”

No actually I’m not and plenty of others aren’t either. Much of what I believe comes from reading books.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't care which extreme murders more. Anyone that kills a single innocent person is evil.

On just pointing out that "left wing fascists" is an oxymoron.

Like saying "right wing socialists".

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By *heislanderMan over a year ago

cheshunt

"Why haven’t the other 11m remainers signed ? ????

Same reason 17 million leavers didn't sign the leave with no deal petition that's live.

Not bothered. ?"

Yeah you’re probably right. I voted to remain but I haven’t signed the petition, I had my vote, if we had a 2nd referendum and remain won the leave campaign would probably ask for a 3rd vote claiming it was now 1-1. We could see a trilogy like Rocky vs Apollo Creed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't care which extreme murders more. Anyone that kills a single innocent person is evil.

On just pointing out that "left wing fascists" is an oxymoron.

Like saying "right wing socialists"."

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"Why haven’t the other 11m remainers signed ? ????

Not everyone has internet access and not everyone who has will have seen it. I shared it with a few people who hadn’t who then signed it. And the number is still increasing.

“wether you leave or remain your borh gettin your info from peeps with vested intrests”

No actually I’m not and plenty of others aren’t either. Much of what I believe comes from reading books.

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yea books written by peeps who are pro remain or pro leave.its ALL propaganda.fact of the matter is no one knows for definate whats going to happen or can you see the future.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why haven’t the other 11m remainers signed ? ????

Not everyone has internet access and not everyone who has will have seen it. I shared it with a few people who hadn’t who then signed it. And the number is still increasing.

“wether you leave or remain your borh gettin your info from peeps with vested intrests”

No actually I’m not and plenty of others aren’t either. Much of what I believe comes from reading books.

yea books written by peeps who are pro remain or pro leave.its ALL propaganda.fact of the matter is no one knows for definate whats going to happen or can you see the future."

That’s not true either.

How is it that you assume to know what I read?

You want to read a book about propaganda - read ‘Manufacturing Consent’

It would do you well.

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By *teveuk77Man over a year ago

"Why haven’t the other 11m remainers signed ? ????

Not everyone has internet access and not everyone who has will have seen it. I shared it with a few people who hadn’t who then signed it. And the number is still increasing.

You do realise that many people in the UK barely use the internet even if they have access. There are many people who really aren't that interested in politics but still voted in. There are many people who just see this as exactly what it is - a petition that is unlikely to make a difference. I mentioned it to a friend who is strong remainer. I asked him a day later if he had signed it and he said he hadn't had the time.

Let say that the petition top at 6m, are you going to then imply that this means that 10m have decided to that we should leave?

Brexit hands our country over to the right. You have worked out that the ERG members are on the right of the Tory party haven't you?

What's the vested interest of the BMA?

"there are no honest politicians just politicians". Have you ever spoken to your MP? Just like normal people in society, there is a mix.

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

i dont need to read bioks about propaganda ive read plenty.am reading bout crowd behaviour at momment.was amazed how people act like herds of animals when there is enough of them.also wen you get enough peeps beliving in the same thing its easier to get them to belive what you want yhem to.and after reading wat som leave and remain fundamentilists write on here i belive it even more.any way i gina leave you all to pat each other on the backs and parrot either nigel fuckarge or james fat bloke o brien

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"Why haven’t the other 11m remainers signed ? ????

Not everyone has internet access and not everyone who has will have seen it. I shared it with a few people who hadn’t who then signed it. And the number is still increasing.

Let say that the petition top at 6m, are you going to then imply that this means that 10m have decided to that we should leave?

Brexit hands our country over to the right. You have worked out that the ERG members are on the right of the Tory party haven't you?

What's the vested interest of the BMA?

"there are no honest politicians just politicians". Have you ever spoken to your MP? Just like normal people in society, there is a mix.

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my local m.p you get a pre written e.mail about any enquires and thats about it.on other hand if ya buissness person he falls over himself to talk to you pretty much the same as when we had labour m.p.its all about the money

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By *teveuk77Man over a year ago

"Why haven’t the other 11m remainers signed ? ????

Not everyone has internet access and not everyone who has will have seen it. I shared it with a few people who hadn’t who then signed it. And the number is still increasing.

Let say that the petition top at 6m, are you going to then imply that this means that 10m have decided to that we should leave?

Brexit hands our country over to the right. You have worked out that the ERG members are on the right of the Tory party haven't you?

What's the vested interest of the BMA?

"there are no honest politicians just politicians". Have you ever spoken to your MP? Just like normal people in society, there is a mix.

my local m.p you get a pre written e.mail about any enquires and thats about it.on other hand if ya buissness person he falls over himself to talk to you pretty much the same as when we had labour m.p.its all about the money"

So you have contacted him and your previous MP a few times?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i dont need to read bioks about propaganda ive read plenty.am reading bout crowd behaviour at momment.was amazed how people act like herds of animals when there is enough of them.also wen you get enough peeps beliving in the same thing its easier to get them to belive what you want yhem to.and after reading wat som leave and remain fundamentilists write on here i belive it even more.any way i gina leave you all to pat each other on the backs and parrot either nigel fuckarge or james fat bloke o brien"

I have nothing against you, I’m being sincere. Give it a read some time, you won’t regret it I can promise you that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes holland voted to leave and werent allowed, the french people now are more against the Eu tgan the british, the italians, the hungarians need i go on

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I see the chancellor described a second public vote as "a perfectly coherent proposition" and agreed that MPs should vote on it this week.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes holland voted to leave and werent allowed, the french people now are more against the Eu tgan the british, the italians, the hungarians need i go on"

“the french people now are more against the Eu tgan the british, the italians, the hungarians need i go on”

Where’s your proof?

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

It is quite insightful that looking at the many posts on here and listening to political commentary, Remainers are coming over as generally positive, collegiate, recognising the challenges but wanting to achieve the best outcome for all.

But from the Leave side all we seem to get is negativity and a divisive ‘us vs them’ mentality.

It is sadly telling that violence, and the threat of it, is only coming from the right wing:

- The murder of Jo Cox

- Death threats to Remain MPs

- Death threats to the lady who started the Revoke Article 50 petition

- Farage saying he would tear the Conservative Party apart limb by limb

- A rise in anti Islam and violence towards Mosques

- A rise in rascism

These are not isolated incidents, but seem to be a tribal response, why is this? This kind of negativity is surely why most of the population is against a Britain represented this way..

This is not my Britain, it does not represent me or anything I stand for. This is why I want to revoke Article 50, I reject the divisive nature of the Tory Party and what it has done and is doing to Britain.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Why haven’t the other 11m remainers signed ? ????

Same reason 17 million leavers didn't sign the leave with no deal petition that's live.

Not bothered. ?

That's not the logic of a second referendum.

If I make a decision based on a certain set of information and that information turns out to be incorrect then I would like to make a different decision rather than stick with my original decision simply because it was my original decision.

What's your view on that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is quite insightful that looking at the many posts on here and listening to political commentary, Remainers are coming over as generally positive, collegiate, recognising the challenges but wanting to achieve the best outcome for all.

But from the Leave side all we seem to get is negativity and a divisive ‘us vs them’ mentality.

It is sadly telling that violence, and the threat of it, is only coming from the right wing:

- The murder of Jo Cox

- Death threats to Remain MPs

- Death threats to the lady who started the Revoke Article 50 petition

- Farage saying he would tear the Conservative Party apart limb by limb

- A rise in anti Islam and violence towards Mosques

- A rise in rascism

These are not isolated incidents, but seem to be a tribal response, why is this? This kind of negativity is surely why most of the population is against a Britain represented this way..

They have spent ten years forcing austerity on us and blaming previous labour governments for the state of the economy (comparing national debt during the last labour government with today’s is insightful) and then they are so bloody stupid that they try giving the already angry population a bogeyman to vote against and imagine that they will be able to walk proudly away from the shit show they have created. The brexiteers will carry on spouting their ludicrous nationalistic nonsense until they die because they are too fucking dim and complacent to understand that they are about to get fucked royally in the arse for years to come!

I am a bit cross about it!

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Yes holland voted to leave and werent allowed, the french people now are more against the Eu tgan the british, the italians, the hungarians need i go on"

No. There was a vote to alter the constitution of the EU that was rejected.

It had nothing to do with leaving the EU.

The Pew Research Centre (a charitable trust without external funding) reviews global attitudes and trends.

The latest report is March 2019

This is the headline:

"Europeans Credit EU With Promoting Peace and Prosperity, but Say Brussels Is Out of Touch With Its Citizens

Many worried about long-term economic forecast, impact of immigration"

Mixed opinion I'd say.

However as far as aplroval of the EU goes:

France 62%

Italy 58%

Hungary 57%

Yiu can go on all you wish, but you appear to be incorrect to do so

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

That's not the logic of a second referendum.

What's your view on that?

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By *teveuk77Man over a year ago

"Yes holland voted to leave and werent allowed, the french people now are more against the Eu tgan the british, the italians, the hungarians need i go on

No. There was a vote to alter the constitution of the EU that was rejected.

It had nothing to do with leaving the EU.

The Pew Research Centre (a charitable trust without external funding) reviews global attitudes and trends.

The latest report is March 2019

This is the headline:

"Europeans Credit EU With Promoting Peace and Prosperity, but Say Brussels Is Out of Touch With Its Citizens

Many worried about long-term economic forecast, impact of immigration"

Mixed opinion I'd say.

However as far as aplroval of the EU goes:

France 62%

Italy 58%

Hungary 57%

Yiu can go on all you wish, but you appear to be incorrect to do so

Can I go on?

https://www.euractiv.com/section/eu-elections-2019/news/french-people-convinced-by-eu-but-poorly-motivated-to-vote/

According to a survey published on 17 October, 64% of the French people surveyed said they believed the EU benefits the country and 61% saw belonging to this community as a “good thing”.

The figures for across the 28 member states are similar, at 68% and 62% on average, respectively, according to the study of 27,000 Europeans aged 16 and over. Such high levels had not been recorded since the Maastricht treaty was adopted in 1992.

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

I have nothing against you, I’m being sincere. Give it a read some time, you won’t regret it I can promise you that. "

i have nothing against you personaly what i cant stand is ppl on public forums thinking they have all the answers.and that goes for both sides. here.face book twitter seems to be full of experts who know how to sort it all out when the ppl whos job it is to sort it out aint got a fucki.v clue what there doing think its funny that amatures from both sides seem to think they have all the answers.i not voted for 20 odd years for the reason every one ibn parliment is fucking usless at there jobs.that goes for every party.lets face it if you or i were as inept in our jobs we would of been out on our arses years ago

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"Why haven’t the other 11m remainers signed ? ????

Not everyone has internet access and not everyone who has will have seen it. I shared it with a few people who hadn’t who then signed it. And the number is still increasing.

Let say that the petition top at 6m, are you going to then imply that this means that 10m have decided to that we should leave?

Brexit hands our country over to the right. You have worked out that the ERG members are on the right of the Tory party haven't you?

What's the vested interest of the BMA?

"there are no honest politicians just politicians". Have you ever spoken to your MP? Just like normal people in society, there is a mix.

So you have contacted him and your previous MP a few times?"

yea have tried contacting the torie twat a few times about trouble i had with housing assosiation and hear fuck all back.and when we had a labour one here we had a real problem with travellers i. my area me and probably half the town were onto him about it.only time he showed his face was wen the problem had gone away and he had a photo op as the feild was getting cleared of human shit and building rubbish.we only really have a choice of two partys round here and they both the same just wear a different colour rosette

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

" they both the same just wear a different colour rosette"

Yes, that is unfortunately what we have had for a very long time. Tories were replaced by Blair's labour-in-name-only-but-really-tory-in-disguise party, then replaced by tories-we'll-have-to-go-even-more-right-wing-now-that-bastard-blairs-stolen-our-act party. The very sad thing is that as soon as something actually different came along, Corbyn's labour, many of the people who have been crying for change bought into the corporate media hatchet job that the ultra rich of the establishment have paid for. I don't actually think he's a brilliant leader, and if anything he's got an appalling Achilles heel as a politician that he refuses to lie like all the others do. But he's different to all the shite we've had for 30 years.

And everyone who hates the current lot, and Blair's lot, and hates all the shit that has been doled out to ordinary people for years now: ask yourself why the establishment and the media and the bbc (currently under direct control by the government) slag Corbyn off so much. Is it because they think that Corbyn's labour will be bad for the people of the country? Or because they are shit scared of him taking power from the few that push the people about, and giving it back to the people?

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

hahaha comrade corbyn haha he flip flops just as much as the fucking idiot leading the tories.power at all costs.perhaps you didnt read my post.the s.n.p have been the only ones who willl come out of this unscathed the tories and labour are just behaving like fucking idiots.and dont give me all the it was new labour.i didnt see any "REAL " labour leave the party wen st tony was leading them.they all went along for the ride. like i said power at any cost. bring back guy fawkes

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

p.s the last time i was gona vote was when john smith led labour as soon as he died and tony took over that was me done with voting.never trust anyone who smiles that much

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

5.3m now

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"hahaha comrade corbyn haha he flip flops just as much as the fucking idiot leading the tories.power at all costs.perhaps you didnt read my post.the s.n.p have been the only ones who willl come out of this unscathed the tories and labour are just behaving like fucking idiots.and dont give me all the it was new labour.i didnt see any "REAL " labour leave the party wen st tony was leading them.they all went along for the ride. like i said power at any cost. bring back guy fawkes"

The ‘all politicians are the same’ line comes from the elite and ruling class to create apathy in the electorate so they don’t bother doing the only thing they can within the law to fight back - vote.

There are actually some decent people in politics, however you won’t hear about it in the media as its owned by billionaire corporates who of course represent the corporate interest not society’s.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

"p.s the last time i was gona vote was when john smith led labour as soon as he died and tony took over that was me done with voting.never trust anyone who smiles that much"

In this i agree, yes. John Smith seemed to be a truly decent man and a good politician. It was a tragedy when he died. Corbyn was never a Blair supporter, he was a pain in Blair's arse. Corbyn doesn't smile, he doesn't dress in smart suits, he travels second class on the train, he doesn't accept favours from billionaires. He's not perfect, he has made mistakes, he's not a compelling leader, he's not been brilliant in respect to brexit. However he's not the raving ultra left lunatic the media paints him as - current labour policy would have been regarded as right wing by Ted Heath! Ignore what the shit newspapers have told you, look at the actual bloke. He isn't the best possible by a long way, but he's better than most of the rest on offer.

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

You do know that over 90% of the Irish would vote to stay in the EU don't you?

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

""Left wing fascism". Haha

The comments on here get more and more bizarre by the day.

Liberal facists have murdered millions and are as abhorrent as right wing facists. Both are equally as dangerous."

Im not exactly convinced that you understand what a facist is

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"Yes holland voted to leave and werent allowed, the french people now are more against the Eu tgan the british, the italians, the hungarians need i go on"

The Dutch had a referendum on the constitution...not on leaving

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"p.s the last time i was gona vote was when john smith led labour as soon as he died and tony took over that was me done with voting.never trust anyone who smiles that much

i dont belive anything the papers tell me.id rather trust viz comic to be honest with you lol.he is a politician thats why i dont trust him.dnt get me wrong i ho.estley belive most go into politics with good intentions but they dnt last for long.corbyn is no different to the rest of them like the others he has been there years and is tainted the same.the bloke says watever he thinks peeps wana hear.but he has his own plan and will say what he thinks will get him into no 10.i honestly think if he got into power he wouldnt last one term

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"p.s the last time i was gona vote was when john smith led labour as soon as he died and tony took over that was me done with voting.never trust anyone who smiles that much

Who would you vote for dude...??

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

""Left wing fascism". Haha

The comments on here get more and more bizarre by the day.

Liberal facists have murdered millions and are as abhorrent as right wing facists. Both are equally as dangerous.

Im not exactly convinced that you understand what a facist is"

Agreed, what a weird combination!

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

5.5m now, make sure your MP knows you signed!

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"5.5m now, make sure your MP knows you signed!

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Maybe the 60% of labour mp,s need reminding from their constituents that they voted to leave.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"5.5m now, make sure your MP knows you signed!

Maybe the 60% of labour mp,s need reminding from their constituents that they voted to leave.

Maybe a lot of them constituents would also like a choice of deciding what they want from the options available now

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

"5.5m now, make sure your MP knows you signed!

Maybe the 60% of labour mp,s need reminding from their constituents that they voted to leave.

Mine was a 60% remain but the MP still votes with the govt!

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

So there is now a campaign to get the signatures to 17m, essentially to wind Andrea Leasom up, but it would be good to do

https://17millionsignatures.uk

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"So there is now a campaign to get the signatures to 17m, essentially to wind Andrea Leasom up, but it would be good to do

https://17millionsignatures.uk"
You do realize that not everyone who can sign a petition can vote in a referendum?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So there is now a campaign to get the signatures to 17m, essentially to wind Andrea Leasom up, but it would be good to do

https://17millionsignatures.uk"

Yeah we've got the momentum to get it done. ..Awesome

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"17.5 million racists, low achievers, pensioners, and liars who have financial interest in Brexit."
Interesting interpretation low achievers who have a financial interest wonder how that works?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"5.5m now, make sure your MP knows you signed!

Maybe the 60% of labour mp,s need reminding from their constituents that they voted to leave.

Maybe a lot of them constituents would also like a choice of deciding what they want from the options available now

Options and choices are always popular. .

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"5.5m now, make sure your MP knows you signed!

Maybe the 60% of labour mp,s need reminding from their constituents that they voted to leave.

Two-thirds of Labour votes were remain, two-thirds of Conservative voters were leave.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"5.5m now, make sure your MP knows you signed!

Maybe the 60% of labour mp,s need reminding from their constituents that they voted to leave.

Two-thirds of Labour votes were remain, two-thirds of Conservative voters were leave.

"
If you was voted in with a leave mandate (which was in both partys manifestos) you should honour the wishes of the constituents it does not come down to pecentages,i can fully understand mps who vote against leave if thats what they were voted in for in the first place.As some on here like to like it to a sandwich its like asking for a beef sarnie and then being told no you can have a cheese one i never had any beef.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"5.5m now, make sure your MP knows you signed!

Maybe the 60% of labour mp,s need reminding from their constituents that they voted to leave.

Two-thirds of Labour votes were remain, two-thirds of Conservative voters were leave.

If you was voted in with a leave mandate (which was in both partys manifestos) you should honour the wishes of the constituents it does not come down to pecentages,i can fully understand mps who vote against leave if thats what they were voted in for in the first place.As some on here like to like it to a sandwich its like asking for a beef sarnie and then being told no you can have a cheese one i never had any beef.

You ordered a turd sandwich and health and safety are reluctant to serve you it...

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"p.s the last time i was gona vote was when john smith led labour as soon as he died and tony took over that was me done with voting.never trust anyone who smiles that much

Who would you vote for dude...??"

i wont vote for anyone.last person i was gona vote for died and got replaced by blair and since then i not seen a politician as decent as john smith.shame he didnt make an election as i think the country would be a very different place so im out of voting until someone else like him comes along

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Yes holland voted to leave and werent allowed, the french people now are more against the Eu tgan the british, the italians, the hungarians need i go on"

'Poll shows support for EU at 35-year high across bloc' Reuters May 2018. This included 53 percent UK citizens who viewed their EU membership had been a benefit.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"5.5m now, make sure your MP knows you signed!

Maybe the 60% of labour mp,s need reminding from their constituents that they voted to leave.

Two-thirds of Labour votes were remain, two-thirds of Conservative voters were leave.

Opinions and interests change, as do the conexts of the political and other environments. Whilst many of us may think that manifestos should be adhered to, they aren't enshrined into law, so that any party must do that. They also propose what that party will do if elected to govern the country and don't really cover their proposals should they lose.

Democracy is a fluid, ongoing process and not static - just as the make-up of citizens is too - hence the need for ongoing elections that cover the various aspects of government responsibilities and citizens' ever-changing needs. The population of the UK is not static - the reality is that each year many thousands of voters die, whilst younger people become eligible to vote. Younger people have decades of their lives left, on average, in which to study (including at overseas universities) and work (jobs abroad), so their interests and the cumulative impacts upon them, over decades, is greater than that of people who have less choices open to them, as they become older and nearer to death.

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS over a year ago

doncaster

"5.5m now, make sure your MP knows you signed!

Maybe the 60% of labour mp,s need reminding from their constituents that they voted to leave.

Two-thirds of Labour votes were remain, two-thirds of Conservative voters were leave.

You ordered a turd sandwich and health and safety are reluctant to serve you it...

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

"So there is now a campaign to get the signatures to 17m, essentially to wind Andrea Leasom up, but it would be good to do

https://17millionsignatures.ukYou do realize that not everyone who can sign a petition can vote in a referendum? "

Leadsom only asked for 17.4m on the petition, she didn’t say who they should be - possibly best not to let her organise the next Referendum...

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"5.5m now, make sure your MP knows you signed!

Maybe the 60% of labour mp,s need reminding from their constituents that they voted to leave.

Two-thirds of Labour votes were remain, two-thirds of Conservative voters were leave.

You might like to have a quiet word with Raab about the wishes of his constituents....they dont want to leave let alone leave with a No Deal

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

So my local MP has recognised that many of his constituents petitioned to Revoke Article 50 and resigned from the Government to support Parliament taking back control. Who sayspeople power can’t work - petition, march, write to your MP and lets stop this Eton Mess

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

MPs honoured the referendum the moment they voted for Article 50.

The people stopping the UK from leaving the EU are the ones who claim to be the most ardent leavers.

No-one else.

Only them.

Why is that?

Reminds me of the Puritans who abandoned this country to establish America.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

MPs honoured the referendum the moment they voted for Article 50.

The people stopping the UK from leaving the EU are the ones who claim to be the most ardent leavers.

No-one else.

Only them.

Why is that?

Reminds me of the Puritans who abandoned this country to establish America.

& that went well

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Genocide, basically.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

5.8m signed the petition and it is due to be debated on Monday - keep voting and prod your MP!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

“The debate is scheduled for 1 April 2019.”

How appropriate. Maybe this whole farce was one big April fools joke.

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By *ulu and MonkeyCouple over a year ago

Durham

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By *ulu and MonkeyCouple over a year ago

Durham

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

Seems that the latest from May hearing that there are now 5 and 3/4 million signatures on the petition is that no matter how many signatures there are they will not accept the petition. I hope that come the next general election that everyone remembers the Tories broken promises and refusal to listen to the people when they have money to make and their party to save, and wipe them off the political map for their hubris.

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By *ulu and MonkeyCouple over a year ago

Durham

The govt have responded on the petition page saying that they will not revoke a50! So parliament will debate but the govt will not change policy.Christ almighty. Good job we live in a civilised democracy!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The govt have responded on the petition page saying that they will not revoke a50! So parliament will debate but the govt will not change policy.Christ almighty. Good job we live in a civilised democracy!

Did you really think they would?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We will honour the outcome of the 2016 referendum and work to deliver an exit which benefits everyone, whether they voted to Leave or to Remain

Now the £39 billion question is... how do they leave the EU so that EVERYONE benefits?

By leaving to please Leavers requires the stripping of some of our rights, to then give them rights back not only doesn't benefit leavers but their only giving back remainers what they had to start with.

It's impossible.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"Now the £39 billion question is... how do they leave the EU so that EVERYONE benefits?

It's impossible. "

Ah the joy of brexit...

The Tories throw the country under the bus to stay united and in power for a few more years.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

The Petition can be debated in Parliament as they have reached the signature threshold.

The Government cannot revoke Article 50, only Parliament can do that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We will honour the outcome of the 2016 referendum and work to deliver an exit which benefits everyone, whether they voted to Leave or to Remain

Now the £39 billion question is... how do they leave the EU so that EVERYONE benefits?

It's impossible. "

I note your language that says leaving pleases leavers. Well chosen words. Because as we know, it doesn’t benefit leavers at all. Unless you’re one of the top 0.000001% who stand to actually benefit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The Petition can be debated in Parliament as they have reached the signature threshold.

The Government cannot revoke Article 50, only Parliament can do that."

I think the point is, why are they bothering to debate it if they’ve already decided that they don’t give a fuck what the people think.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"The Government cannot revoke Article 50, only Parliament can do that."

Wrong.

Only the government can revoke article 50.

It is a matter of foreign policy and is solely the prerogative of The Crown (government).

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

The Petition can be debated in Parliament as they have reached the signature threshold.

The Government cannot revoke Article 50, only Parliament can do that.

I think the point is, why are they bothering to debate it if they’ve already decided that they don’t give a fuck what the people think. "

Perhaps Parliament will decide that is the road that they wish to go down. The government is just fulfilling its legal obligations in allowing time for the petition to be debated.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The Petition can be debated in Parliament as they have reached the signature threshold.

The Government cannot revoke Article 50, only Parliament can do that.

I think the point is, why are they bothering to debate it if they’ve already decided that they don’t give a fuck what the people think.

Perhaps Parliament will decide that is the road that they wish to go down. The government is just fulfilling its legal obligations in allowing time for the petition to be debated."

Then what’s the point of them having the parliamentary petitions? Just a smoke screen to give the appearance that they will listen to the people. When in fact they openly treat us with contempt.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"The Government cannot revoke Article 50, only Parliament can do that.

Wrong.

Only the government can revoke article 50.

It is a matter of foreign policy and is solely the prerogative of The Crown (government)."

As the Supreme Court instructed that only Parliament can instruct the Government to implement Article 50, the Attorney General, on behalf of the Government, has indicated that only Parliament can instruct the Government to revoke Article 50.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"As the Supreme Court instructed that only Parliament can instruct the Government to implement Article 50, the Attorney General, on behalf of the Government, has indicated that only Parliament can instruct the Government to revoke Article 50."

Which is very convenient for a tory government that is looking to abdicate its responsibility for brexit while forcing it through in the hope that by laying the blame elsewhere the Conservative Party will not be torn apart internally or be wiped out at the ballot box.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

I'm sure that Gina Millar has something to do with it really!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Gina should be given a gong by Queenie for services to the country. ..

What a woman!.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

"Gina should be given a gong by Queenie for services to the country. ..

What a woman!.

Agreed, she has made a huge positive difference for all of us

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My Brother has become a weird remain Nazi. Actually quite weird what he posted the other day on facebook. He said that he was speaking for our mother who died 4 weeks after the referendum and that she voted to remain. He said she would not be happy about what is going on. These strange people are even taking over the opinions of the dead now.

I am actually quite annoyed with him but have decided not to get involved. His post was then followed by a link to the revoke article 50 petition inferring that our mother RIP would have signed up to it.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

"My Brother has become a weird remain Nazi. Actually quite weird what he posted the other day on facebook. He said that he was speaking for our mother who died 4 weeks after the referendum and that she voted to remain. He said she would not be happy about what is going on. These strange people are even taking over the opinions of the dead now.

Sorry for the loss of your mother, but calling someone (even your brother, especially your brother?) a ‘remain nazi’ is a bit weird.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

Scottish Parliament votes to Revoke Article 50! When will Westminster grow a pair and do the same!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm not going to get involved but you know exactly what I mean.

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By *bernathCouple over a year ago

Gloucestershire

Looks like common market 2.0 is looking like the best option!

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

"Looks like common market 2.0 is looking like the best option!"

Revoke Article 50 is the best option, all the others are less good

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By *bernathCouple over a year ago

Gloucestershire

"Looks like common market 2.0 is looking like the best option!

Revoke Article 50 is the best option, all the others are less good

Looks like its going to command a large numbers of MP’s in the house though!

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Looks like common market 2.0 is looking like the best option!"

What is it?

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

"Looks like common market 2.0 is looking like the best option!

Revoke Article 50 is the best option, all the others are less good

Looks like its going to command a large numbers of MP’s in the house though!"

Well it got 4 more than Revoke, but 80 less than confirmatory public vote! Doesn’t look like Parliament can get us out of this - I’m thinking 2nd referendum is coming...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Looks like common market 2.0 is looking like the best option!

Revoke Article 50 is the best option, all the others are less good

Looks like its going to command a large numbers of MP’s in the house though!

Well it got 4 more than Revoke, but 80 less than confirmatory public vote! Doesn’t look like Parliament can get us out of this - I’m thinking 2nd referendum is coming...

2nd referendum would be pointless. We don't know anything we didn't know back then. I can't see anything but a repeat of the same result.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

"Looks like common market 2.0 is looking like the best option!

Revoke Article 50 is the best option, all the others are less good

Looks like its going to command a large numbers of MP’s in the house though!

Well it got 4 more than Revoke, but 80 less than confirmatory public vote! Doesn’t look like Parliament can get us out of this - I’m thinking 2nd referendum is coming...

2nd referendum would be pointless. We don't know anything we didn't know back then. I can't see anything but a repeat of the same result."

So what do you advocate?

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By *onny MCMan over a year ago

Crawley

"Looks like common market 2.0 is looking like the best option!

What is it?

Isn't it the Norway option that includes Freedom of Movement which will put most leavers off? Wasn't that dismissed at the start of all this?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Looks like common market 2.0 is looking like the best option!

What is it?

Isn't it the Norway option that includes Freedom of Movement which will put most leavers off? Wasn't that dismissed at the start of all this? "

So a bit worse than where we are now. Crap rather than utter crap. Yay

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By *onny MCMan over a year ago

Crawley

"Looks like common market 2.0 is looking like the best option!

What is it?

Isn't it the Norway option that includes Freedom of Movement which will put most leavers off? Wasn't that dismissed at the start of all this?

So a bit worse than where we are now. Crap rather than utter crap. Yay

Think the Norwegian PM has also gone on record as saying it won't work for Britain the same way it works for them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Looks like common market 2.0 is looking like the best option!

What is it?

Isn't it the Norway option that includes Freedom of Movement which will put most leavers off? Wasn't that dismissed at the start of all this?

So a bit worse than where we are now. Crap rather than utter crap. Yay

Think the Norwegian PM has also gone on record as saying it won't work for Britain the same way it works for them. "

Only a maniac would think they’re model would work for us. They have a much smaller population and shit loads of oil which is partly owned by the state. Completely different situation.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

As only 37% voted for this mess, can we not just agree its a mess and revoke?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well . As a voter who only just voted in and now a confirmed leave . Let's not forget that this mess isn't a mess at all. Its a contrived state of chaos. Orchestrated in part by the EU.

Yes, listen to the millions on a petition but let's not forget the majority vote of those who bothered to vote in via a system that constitutionally matters.

I assume everyone of the keen remainers here would agree to go fully in to the EU which includes the Euro? .

Shall we take the Euro on ?. Thats what is required.

Maybe have a look at the Target 2 debts of the southern member countries . Heard of Target 2 ?.

What you see in Parliament is partly due to a political class trying to act as politicians, they've been neutered for over 40 years .

The drive to change the vote is paetly born of anger as much as reason. If Brexit is overturned, the anger will swing to the leavers side .

It won't go away.

EU want shut of us .

Charles De Gaulle and I agree on one thing . UK isn't for the EU . The great man had a point

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well . As a voter who only just voted in and now a confirmed leave . Let's not forget that this mess isn't a mess at all. Its a contrived state of chaos. Orchestrated in part by the EU.

Yes, listen to the millions on a petition but let's not forget the majority vote of those who bothered to vote in via a system that constitutionally matters.

I assume everyone of the keen remainers here would agree to go fully in to the EU which includes the Euro? .

Shall we take the Euro on ?. Thats what is required.

Maybe have a look at the Target 2 debts of the southern member countries . Heard of Target 2 ?.

What you see in Parliament is partly due to a political class trying to act as politicians, they've been neutered for over 40 years .

The drive to change the vote is paetly born of anger as much as reason. If Brexit is overturned, the anger will swing to the leavers side .

It won't go away.

EU want shut of us .

Charles De Gaulle and I agree on one thing . UK isn't for the EU . The great man had a point

Oh dear...get up to speed love....its the 21st century dont you know! Oh but wait a minute now wasn't JRM wanging on about the tudorbethans earlier too? Maybe the reality of living in the modern age is a bit tricky for some!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Its simple.

We leave , if it does not work and we wish to rejoin , we go in fully . Shengen Euro , the whole way .

Now Barnier has stated there's no need for a hard border even if a no deal happens.

No deal should have been a contingency from the beginning. The EU would have been more open to minor tweaks. But they could smell blood and went for the big prize, overturning Brexit completely. I do a huge amount of business in Europe and don't for a minute think the dysphoria here with the EU is a Little Britain issue .

Well , those who want us to stay may well get that . Just catch up on the fact the Euro should only have been introduced once a federal state was created and all member states had the same financial cycles . Ah, but even the creators invisagwd a financial crisis which would aid fear and therefore further integration. look at just how the target 2 system is avoiding Italy et al going under . Again for firm believers , will with you kneel at the altar and accept the host of Euro?, thats the ultimate test of faith

Is it worth it to avoid roaming charges

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well . As a voter who only just voted in and now a confirmed leave . Let's not forget that this mess isn't a mess at all. Its a contrived state of chaos. Orchestrated in part by the EU.

Yes, listen to the millions on a petition but let's not forget the majority vote of those who bothered to vote in via a system that constitutionally matters.

I assume everyone of the keen remainers here would agree to go fully in to the EU which includes the Euro? .

Shall we take the Euro on ?. Thats what is required.

Maybe have a look at the Target 2 debts of the southern member countries . Heard of Target 2 ?.

What you see in Parliament is partly due to a political class trying to act as politicians, they've been neutered for over 40 years .

The drive to change the vote is paetly born of anger as much as reason. If Brexit is overturned, the anger will swing to the leavers side .

It won't go away.

EU want shut of us .

Charles De Gaulle and I agree on one thing . UK isn't for the EU . The great man had a point

Ha . The proof of the pudding. If you had the power at tour fingertips now to stay in but it requires you to accept the euro and ditch Stirling . would you , yes or no? Binary answer ,nothing else required. The ultimate teat of belief

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Well . As a voter who only just voted in and now a confirmed leave . Let's not forget that this mess isn't a mess at all. Its a contrived state of chaos. Orchestrated in part by the EU.

Yes, listen to the millions on a petition but let's not forget the majority vote of those who bothered to vote in via a system that constitutionally matters.

I assume everyone of the keen remainers here would agree to go fully in to the EU which includes the Euro? .

Shall we take the Euro on ?. Thats what is required.

Maybe have a look at the Target 2 debts of the southern member countries . Heard of Target 2 ?.

What you see in Parliament is partly due to a political class trying to act as politicians, they've been neutered for over 40 years .

The drive to change the vote is paetly born of anger as much as reason. If Brexit is overturned, the anger will swing to the leavers side .

It won't go away.

EU want shut of us .

Charles De Gaulle and I agree on one thing . UK isn't for the EU . The great man had a point

Why would you assume that those who voted remain would want to join the Euro?

I've not heard anyone advocate for that. It's not any sort of requirement. What aaughable flase proposition

I'm quite happy with our undue influence whilst being semi-detached in all sorts of ways.

I'd just like us to stop blaming the EU for problems created by us.

The drive to change the vote is driven by the fact that the promises of leaving were undeliverable and this has now been proven out.

A small majority voting for an unknown outcome was foolish. Now that the complexity and thankless work needed to achieve practically nothing is known it's quite reasonable to check that we are happy with what's on offer.

Would the population be wrong to change their mind? Should we not be allowed to? Do we have to take our medicine even if we now know that it won't cure us of our illness?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Its simple.

We leave , if it does not work and we wish to rejoin , we go in fully . Shengen Euro , the whole way .

Now Barnier has stated there's no need for a hard border even if a no deal happens.

Is it worth it to avoid roaming charges

That's a nonsense ultimatum created by you

I don't need faith. I have no particular faith in domestic politics.

I want a pragmatic outcome that makes things a little better rather than worse.

Nice conspiracy theory though

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By *bernathCouple over a year ago

Gloucestershire

Shame about common market 2.0

Round two on monday, lets see what happens!

Custom union and public vote on deal look like clear favorites.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

"Well . As a voter who only just voted in and now a confirmed leave . Let's not forget that this mess isn't a mess at all. Its a contrived state of chaos. Orchestrated in part by the EU.

Yes, listen to the millions on a petition but let's not forget the majority vote of those who bothered to vote in via a system that constitutionally matters.

I assume everyone of the keen remainers here would agree to go fully in to the EU which includes the Euro? .

Shall we take the Euro on ?. Thats what is required.

Maybe have a look at the Target 2 debts of the southern member countries . Heard of Target 2 ?.

What you see in Parliament is partly due to a political class trying to act as politicians, they've been neutered for over 40 years .

The drive to change the vote is paetly born of anger as much as reason. If Brexit is overturned, the anger will swing to the leavers side .

It won't go away.

EU want shut of us .

Charles De Gaulle and I agree on one thing . UK isn't for the EU . The great man had a point

You do know that if we Revoke Article 50 that we keep £ Sterling don’t you? Youshould not listen to all the Brexit bullshit. The EU have also not been hard to deal with, it is simply our country being shit!

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"Well . As a voter who only just voted in and now a confirmed leave . Let's not forget that this mess isn't a mess at all. Its a contrived state of chaos. Orchestrated in part by the EU.

Yes, listen to the millions on a petition but let's not forget the majority vote of those who bothered to vote in via a system that constitutionally matters.

I assume everyone of the keen remainers here would agree to go fully in to the EU which includes the Euro? .

Shall we take the Euro on ?. Thats what is required.

Maybe have a look at the Target 2 debts of the southern member countries . Heard of Target 2 ?.

What you see in Parliament is partly due to a political class trying to act as politicians, they've been neutered for over 40 years .

The drive to change the vote is paetly born of anger as much as reason. If Brexit is overturned, the anger will swing to the leavers side .

It won't go away.

EU want shut of us .

Charles De Gaulle and I agree on one thing . UK isn't for the EU . The great man had a point

Why would remaining mean that we joined the Euro? (It wouldnt by the way, as you should know)

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By *heislanderMan over a year ago

cheshunt

"Well . As a voter who only just voted in and now a confirmed leave . Let's not forget that this mess isn't a mess at all. Its a contrived state of chaos. Orchestrated in part by the EU.

Yes, listen to the millions on a petition but let's not forget the majority vote of those who bothered to vote in via a system that constitutionally matters.

I assume everyone of the keen remainers here would agree to go fully in to the EU which includes the Euro? .

Shall we take the Euro on ?. Thats what is required.

Maybe have a look at the Target 2 debts of the southern member countries . Heard of Target 2 ?.

What you see in Parliament is partly due to a political class trying to act as politicians, they've been neutered for over 40 years .

The drive to change the vote is paetly born of anger as much as reason. If Brexit is overturned, the anger will swing to the leavers side .

It won't go away.

EU want shut of us .

Charles De Gaulle and I agree on one thing . UK isn't for the EU . The great man had a point

Why would you assume that those who voted remain would want to join the Euro?

I've not heard anyone advocate for that. It's not any sort of requirement. What aaughable flase proposition

I'm quite happy with our undue influence whilst being semi-detached in all sorts of ways.

I'd just like us to stop blaming the EU for problems created by us.

The drive to change the vote is driven by the fact that the promises of leaving were undeliverable and this has now been proven out.

Would the population be wrong to change their mind? Should we not be allowed to? Do we have to take our medicine even if we now know that it won't cure us of our illness? "

No the population would not be wrong to change their mind, we live in a country that allows us to do this. However the problem is we can’t see into the future, hindsight is a wonderful thing. We’ll never have a situation where everyone agrees.

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By *heislanderMan over a year ago

cheshunt

"As only 37% voted for this mess, can we not just agree its a mess and revoke?

We could but then we wouldn’t be a democracy because a smaller % voted to remain. ????

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I assume everyone of the keen remainers here would agree to go fully in to the EU which includes the Euro? .

Shall we take the Euro on ?. Thats what is required. "

What a load of fucking bollocks

This is exactly what gives leave voters the "stupid & thick" tags they currently get because of the stupid factually incorrect statements like this.

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By *heislanderMan over a year ago

cheshunt

I assume everyone of the keen remainers here would agree to go fully in to the EU which includes the Euro? .

Shall we take the Euro on ?. Thats what is required.

What a load of fucking bollocks

This is exactly what gives leave voters the "stupid & thick" tags they currently get because of the stupid factually incorrect statements like this. "

Do you believe every leave voter to be “ stupid & thick"? I voted remain but I respect what other people voted for.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I assume everyone of the keen remainers here would agree to go fully in to the EU which includes the Euro? .

Shall we take the Euro on ?. Thats what is required.

What a load of fucking bollocks

This is exactly what gives leave voters the "stupid & thick" tags they currently get because of the stupid factually incorrect statements like this.

Do you believe every leave voter to be “ stupid & thick"? I voted remain but I respect what other people voted for. "

No I don't at all and my mistake presuming you voted leave because what you put is what leave voters have used as their project fear campaign against staying.

So it's even worse, you voted to stay yet somehow come up with we have to join the Euro if we stayed nonsense.

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By *heislanderMan over a year ago

cheshunt

I assume everyone of the keen remainers here would agree to go fully in to the EU which includes the Euro? .

Shall we take the Euro on ?. Thats what is required.

What a load of fucking bollocks

This is exactly what gives leave voters the "stupid & thick" tags they currently get because of the stupid factually incorrect statements like this.

Do you believe every leave voter to be “ stupid & thick"? I voted remain but I respect what other people voted for.

No I don't at all and my mistake presuming you voted leave because what you put is what leave voters have used as their project fear campaign against staying.

So it's even worse, you voted to stay yet somehow come up with we have to join the Euro if we stayed nonsense.

You’re getting me mixed up with someone else, I haven’t said that, it just proves my point, you shouldn’t generalise.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I assume everyone of the keen remainers here would agree to go fully in to the EU which includes the Euro? .

Shall we take the Euro on ?. Thats what is required.

What a load of fucking bollocks

This is exactly what gives leave voters the "stupid & thick" tags they currently get because of the stupid factually incorrect statements like this.

Do you believe every leave voter to be “ stupid & thick"? I voted remain but I respect what other people voted for.

No I don't at all and my mistake presuming you voted leave because what you put is what leave voters have used as their project fear campaign against staying.

So it's even worse, you voted to stay yet somehow come up with we have to join the Euro if we stayed nonsense.

You’re getting me mixed up with someone else, I haven’t said that, it just proves my point, you shouldn’t generalise.

Ahh it was Him a Layer who I quoted, not you.

I didn't generalise anything, I'm stating the fact that leavers get called names like that when they post lies about being in the EU.

My mistake about thinking it was you I'd originally quoted.

This forum is the only one I've ever used where it doesn't tag who has been quoted in a quote post.

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By *heislanderMan over a year ago

cheshunt

I assume everyone of the keen remainers here would agree to go fully in to the EU which includes the Euro? .

Shall we take the Euro on ?. Thats what is required.

What a load of fucking bollocks

This is exactly what gives leave voters the "stupid & thick" tags they currently get because of the stupid factually incorrect statements like this.

Do you believe every leave voter to be “ stupid & thick"? I voted remain but I respect what other people voted for.

No I don't at all and my mistake presuming you voted leave because what you put is what leave voters have used as their project fear campaign against staying.

So it's even worse, you voted to stay yet somehow come up with we have to join the Euro if we stayed nonsense.

You’re getting me mixed up with someone else, I haven’t said that, it just proves my point, you shouldn’t generalise.

Ahh it was Him a Layer who I quoted, not you.

I didn't generalise anything, I'm stating the fact that leavers get called names like that when they post lies about being in the EU.

My mistake about thinking it was you I'd originally quoted.

This forum is the only one I've ever used where it doesn't tag who has been quoted in a quote post. "

No problem mate, it is hard to keep up with who said what etc. However I go back to your original statement “ This is exactly what gives leave voters the "stupid & thick" tags”, it looks like you’re implying all leave voters are stupid and thick.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I agree with you Mr Islander

on all counts.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Well . As a voter who only just voted in and now a confirmed leave . Let's not forget that this mess isn't a mess at all. Its a contrived state of chaos. Orchestrated in part by the EU.

Yes, listen to the millions on a petition but let's not forget the majority vote of those who bothered to vote in via a system that constitutionally matters.

I assume everyone of the keen remainers here would agree to go fully in to the EU which includes the Euro? .

Shall we take the Euro on ?. Thats what is required.

Maybe have a look at the Target 2 debts of the southern member countries . Heard of Target 2 ?.

What you see in Parliament is partly due to a political class trying to act as politicians, they've been neutered for over 40 years .

The drive to change the vote is paetly born of anger as much as reason. If Brexit is overturned, the anger will swing to the leavers side .

It won't go away.

EU want shut of us .

Charles De Gaulle and I agree on one thing . UK isn't for the EU . The great man had a point

Why would you assume that those who voted remain would want to join the Euro?

I've not heard anyone advocate for that. It's not any sort of requirement. What aaughable flase proposition

I'm quite happy with our undue influence whilst being semi-detached in all sorts of ways.

I'd just like us to stop blaming the EU for problems created by us.

The drive to change the vote is driven by the fact that the promises of leaving were undeliverable and this has now been proven out.

Would the population be wrong to change their mind? Should we not be allowed to? Do we have to take our medicine even if we now know that it won't cure us of our illness?

Of course we cannot see I to the future but it is certain the main job of government and politicians to make strategic decisions using the best information available.

It's not OK to say we don't "know" until we've tried it.

Shalm we try not vaccinating anyone? It appears that quite a lot of people have decided to undertake that experiment on their own children and it's not working out so well even though it apparently involves the application of "common sense" and ( clearly pseud

"science".

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well . As a voter who only just voted in and now a confirmed leave . Let's not forget that this mess isn't a mess at all. Its a contrived state of chaos. Orchestrated in part by the EU.

Yes, listen to the millions on a petition but let's not forget the majority vote of those who bothered to vote in via a system that constitutionally matters.

I assume everyone of the keen remainers here would agree to go fully in to the EU which includes the Euro? .

Shall we take the Euro on ?. Thats what is required.

Maybe have a look at the Target 2 debts of the southern member countries . Heard of Target 2 ?.

What you see in Parliament is partly due to a political class trying to act as politicians, they've been neutered for over 40 years .

The drive to change the vote is paetly born of anger as much as reason. If Brexit is overturned, the anger will swing to the leavers side .

It won't go away.

EU want shut of us .

Charles De Gaulle and I agree on one thing . UK isn't for the EU . The great man had a point

If you believe the shit you read in your copy of the daily mail then I would suggest that you’re suckling at the teat of wilful ignorance my dear. The whole point is that a binary answer could only be stay or go and at the moment there are so many concepts that nobody knows what to do except the rabid brexiteers who are so evangelical in their pursuit of brexit that they are willing to endure years of selfish pain in the pursuit of their utopian ideals.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well . As a voter who only just voted in and now a confirmed leave . Let's not forget that this mess isn't a mess at all. Its a contrived state of chaos. Orchestrated in part by the EU.

Yes, listen to the millions on a petition but let's not forget the majority vote of those who bothered to vote in via a system that constitutionally matters.

I assume everyone of the keen remainers here would agree to go fully in to the EU which includes the Euro? .

Shall we take the Euro on ?. Thats what is required.

Maybe have a look at the Target 2 debts of the southern member countries . Heard of Target 2 ?.

What you see in Parliament is partly due to a political class trying to act as politicians, they've been neutered for over 40 years .

The drive to change the vote is paetly born of anger as much as reason. If Brexit is overturned, the anger will swing to the leavers side .

It won't go away.

EU want shut of us .

Charles De Gaulle and I agree on one thing . UK isn't for the EU . The great man had a point

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well . As a voter who only just voted in and now a confirmed leave . Let's not forget that this mess isn't a mess at all. Its a contrived state of chaos. Orchestrated in part by the EU.

Yes, listen to the millions on a petition but let's not forget the majority vote of those who bothered to vote in via a system that constitutionally matters.

I assume everyone of the keen remainers here would agree to go fully in to the EU which includes the Euro? .

Shall we take the Euro on ?. Thats what is required.

Maybe have a look at the Target 2 debts of the southern member countries . Heard of Target 2 ?.

What you see in Parliament is partly due to a political class trying to act as politicians, they've been neutered for over 40 years .

The drive to change the vote is paetly born of anger as much as reason. If Brexit is overturned, the anger will swing to the leavers side .

It won't go away.

EU want shut of us .

Charles De Gaulle and I agree on one thing . UK isn't for the EU . The great man had a point

Utopian ideals, Jean Monnet et al?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think there is definitely a momentum building in the country against brexit.

At the same time the leavers are all out off steam and limping towards the finish line.

There's some movement

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"5m is a lot for a petition

I wonder how high it will have to be before it makes those in power sit up and take notice..."

Well, they dont wish to act on the mandate of 17.4 million in an official referendum , so I wouldn't hold your breath.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I assume everyone of the keen remainers here would agree to go fully in to the EU which includes the Euro? .

Shall we take the Euro on ?. Thats what is required.

What a load of fucking bollocks

This is exactly what gives leave voters the "stupid & thick" tags they currently get because of the stupid factually incorrect statements like this. "

Please state where the factually incorrect statements occurred . if you assumed I meant by remaining in the EU we would have to join the euro ,then I apologise for not clearly explaining the point .

My point is that for those who evangelically believe in the EU ( and yes ,there are evangelical brexiteers I agree). Then would they accept the euro?, if I was a keen remained , id accept it and help the EU raise its status.

But you must question releasing a common currency within States with varying economic cycles.

Even Greenspan believed it was an error.

First. Fedralise members fully

Then introduce a single currency .

Anyway , if calling people who disagree with you thick and stupid allows you to feel superior , please indulge yourself.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

On another note. If we do enter EU elections , who would you chose ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The point is we are already in an unusually strong position within the EU so if we walk away and then try to rejoin at a later date we will find ourselves having to opt in to schengen and probably the euro too. Anyone in business knows that if you dont have leverage youll get screwed and the government has well and truly lost any advantage it had by taking so long to decide which way to turn. Rubbish isn’t it!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’ve lived in Eurozone countries before. I was given them by my employer. I then swapped them for goods and services. They functioned exactly the same way as Sterling pounds.

Plus they had the advantage of not having to lose on exchange rates when moving into other eurozone countries.

We could have joined back when it came in and I would have been happy. If we joined it now it would be difficult as the pound has dropped so much since the Brexit vote. But if it hadn’t, I’d be happy with euros.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"On another note. If we do enter EU elections , who would you chose ?"

Greens

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By *wosmilersCouple over a year ago

Heathrowish

"On another note. If we do enter EU elections , who would you chose ?"

I am not sure this will happen. Everyone is playing brinksmanship ao lets see who blinks first.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

Revoke Article 50, seems like a pretty good idea to me

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By *G LanaTV/TS over a year ago

Gosport

"On another note. If we do enter EU elections , who would you chose ?"

Well as someone who is pro Europe all the leave supporting parties are out so it clearly wont be UKIP, Conservatives or Labour.

If Change UK - The Independent Group are ratified as a party and have a candidate in my ward they will get my support. Failing that it will be the Greens or at a push the Lib Dems.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"On another note. If we do enter EU elections , who would you chose ?

Well as someone who is pro Europe all the leave supporting parties are out so it clearly wont be UKIP, Conservatives or Labour.

If Change UK - The Independent Group are ratified as a party and have a candidate in my ward they will get my support. Failing that it will be the Greens or at a push the Lib Dems."

Never voted in EU elections and never will.

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By *bernathCouple over a year ago

Gloucestershire

"On another note. If we do enter EU elections , who would you chose ?

Well as someone who is pro Europe all the leave supporting parties are out so it clearly wont be UKIP, Conservatives or Labour.

If Change UK - The Independent Group are ratified as a party and have a candidate in my ward they will get my support. Failing that it will be the Greens or at a push the Lib Dems.

Never voted in EU elections and never will. "

Then how can you have your say?

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

"On another note. If we do enter EU elections , who would you chose ?

Well as someone who is pro Europe all the leave supporting parties are out so it clearly wont be UKIP, Conservatives or Labour.

If Change UK - The Independent Group are ratified as a party and have a candidate in my ward they will get my support. Failing that it will be the Greens or at a push the Lib Dems.

Never voted in EU elections and never will.

Then how can you have your say?"

You make a fair point! It does explain a lot why we end up with loons like Farage in the EU Parliament when we don’t make the effort to vote and put our best in.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"On another note. If we do enter EU elections , who would you chose ?

Well as someone who is pro Europe all the leave supporting parties are out so it clearly wont be UKIP, Conservatives or Labour.

If Change UK - The Independent Group are ratified as a party and have a candidate in my ward they will get my support. Failing that it will be the Greens or at a push the Lib Dems.

Never voted in EU elections and never will.

Then how can you have your say?"

Never felt the need to be honest.

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS over a year ago

doncaster

Is this the land of milk and honey ?

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

"Nearly at 5m,(including input from Russia and North Korea) we’re still having fun, over 1m marched in London yesterday (no exact figure, but more like 300,000)- but apparently I should grow up! No chance

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By *eefyBangerMan over a year ago

edinburgh

"5m is a lot for a petition

I wonder how high it will have to be before it makes those in power sit up and take notice..."

Not quite 17.1m though is it

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By *eefyBangerMan over a year ago

edinburgh

Fascism in action. It’s a bleak day for democracy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Fascism in action. It’s a bleak day for democracy "

You're right, the last three years have been horrific with what's been going on. So many people lied to and voted to hand more power and wealth to even fewer people.

A complete corruption of democracy, and a huge victory for the far right and for the fascist types.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"5m is a lot for a petition

I wonder how high it will have to be before it makes those in power sit up and take notice...

Not quite 17.1m though is it"

Pretty sure only 1/10 of this number signed the leave with the most damaging Brexit possible petition.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

6m signatures in 10 days! Pretty impressive, and shows the number of people who don’t believe in the rubbish situation we are in. Over 1m marched for a Peoples Vote, over 6m petition to Revoke A50 - yet MPs get to vote again and again...

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"5m is a lot for a petition

I wonder how high it will have to be before it makes those in power sit up and take notice...

Not quite 17.1m though is it"

No.

But soon it will be more than the entire vote for the Conservative Party.

That’s what gets their attention.

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"5m is a lot for a petition

I wonder how high it will have to be before it makes those in power sit up and take notice...

Not quite 17.1m though is it

No.

But soon it will be more than the entire vote for the Conservative Party.

That’s what gets their attention."

hahaha you really think that will get there attention.hasnt the last few years taught anyone anything? be they tories labour dems snp they take no notice of anyone be they remain or leave. amazes me that peeps think they take any notice of the great unwashed all 650 of them think the public should shut the fuck up and let them get on with claiming expences getting fat and pissed in the subsidised bars and resturants.we are there slysh fund fuck all else

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"5m is a lot for a petition

I wonder how high it will have to be before it makes those in power sit up and take notice...

Not quite 17.1m though is it

No.

But soon it will be more than the entire vote for the Conservative Party.

That’s what gets their attention.

What's your revolutionary plan to free us of theee shackles.

Maybe if nobody voted that would teach them a lesson.I always find if you don't know the answer .Money is the solution.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

6.05m and still growing! I have a feeling that if Article 50 was revoked the vast majority of us would be delighted and we could go back to having more wonderful carefree sex

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By *onny MCMan over a year ago

Crawley

Personally, I haven't stopped having carefree sex - and I don't intend to stop after Brexit either. Unless a huge downturn in the economy puts all the swingers clubs out of business

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"5m is a lot for a petition

I wonder how high it will have to be before it makes those in power sit up and take notice...

Not quite 17.1m though is it

No.

But soon it will be more than the entire vote for the Conservative Party.

That’s what gets their attention.

What's your revolutionary plan to free us of theee shackles.

Maybe if nobody voted that would teach them a lesson.I always find if you don't know the answer .Money is the solution.

did i say i had a plan? i dont vote on fuck all qs ive not trusted politicians for years so i dont take part.it just amazes me its taken brexit and the last three years fir peeps to realise these cunts take no notice of anyone.they wont go through with brexit and because so many peeps will cheer that it wont be the last time they fuck the public over.think the saying is be carefull what you wish for once they get away with something once they will do it again.as for trying to get the country together again that ship has long sailed to many peeps on both sides have got a bit fundementalist about it all.im just enjoyin watching all the chaos

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Chudleigh

"5m is a lot for a petition

I wonder how high it will have to be before it makes those in power sit up and take notice...

Not quite 17.1m though is it

No.

But soon it will be more than the entire vote for the Conservative Party.

That’s what gets their attention.

What's your revolutionary plan to free us of theee shackles.

Maybe if nobody voted that would teach them a lesson.I always find if you don't know the answer .Money is the solution.

Why enjoy something that will negatively affect you? I can kind of get sadism, but this is off the scale

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

May os especially behaving like a dictator in some ways, to ensure her goal of keeping the conservatives together and in power - somewhat like Cameron who only held the referendum to retain power for them.

It's good that this revoke petition gained so much support and that more of the public understand the strength of support to retain the benefits of EU membership. This despite the £millions that's still being spent on adverts to get a no deal, by anonymous jackets and millionaires.

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS over a year ago

doncaster

"May os especially behaving like a dictator in some ways, to ensure her goal of keeping the conservatives together and in power - somewhat like Cameron who only held the referendum to retain power for them.

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