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The problem is on the EU side , not the UK. Europe on the precipice
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Germans foreign European Commissioner is calling on Brussels to rethink its hard line on the UK over Brexit.
He states that Brussels should offer the British some sort of co decision on trade policy and appears to suggest the UK could be offered a new type of customs arrangement in which we could still be a rule - maker but also outside the European Court of Human Justice.
He will be interviewed on TV.
It looks like the EU are starting to panic. A harsh deal with the UK will have lasting damage on German industry and send shivers around an an already shivering eurozone .
It looks to me like further proof that we hold the winning cards .
It is a bit pointless surrendering before the battle has begun.
Theresa May can be confident of the UKs strong position when she meets Macron and Merkel in Paris to day.
We are in for roller coaster ride , so make sure you hold tightly. |
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"Germans foreign European Commissioner is calling on Brussels to rethink its hard line on the UK over Brexit.
He states that Brussels should offer the British some sort of co decision on trade policy and appears to suggest the UK could be offered a new type of customs arrangement in which we could still be a rule - maker but also outside the European Court of Human Justice.
He will be interviewed on TV.
It looks like the EU are starting to panic. A harsh deal with the UK will have lasting damage on German industry and send shivers around an an already shivering eurozone .
It looks to me like further proof that we hold the winning cards .
It is a bit pointless surrendering before the battle has begun.
Theresa May can be confident of the UKs strong position when she meets Macron and Merkel in Paris to day.
We are in for roller coaster ride , so make sure you hold tightly."
Amazing. Post up some more things. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Germans foreign European Commissioner is calling on Brussels to rethink its hard line on the UK over Brexit.
He states that Brussels should offer the British some sort of co decision on trade policy and appears to suggest the UK could be offered a new type of customs arrangement in which we could still be a rule - maker but also outside the European Court of Human Justice.
He will be interviewed on TV.
It looks like the EU are starting to panic. A harsh deal with the UK will have lasting damage on German industry and send shivers around an an already shivering eurozone .
It looks to me like further proof that we hold the winning cards .
It is a bit pointless surrendering before the battle has begun.
Theresa May can be confident of the UKs strong position when she meets Macron and Merkel in Paris to day.
We are in for roller coaster ride , so make sure you hold tightly."
What has any of that got to do with the Withdrawal Agreement? The sticking point is not what comes next but how we leave where we are. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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What has any of that got to do with the Withdrawal Agreement? The sticking point is not what comes next but how we leave where we are. "
It depends which way May is facing.
Her own party refuses to allow the UK to exit because it does not like the withdrawal agreement.
Labour is OK with the withdrawal agreement but does not like the “what comes next” content of the political declaration.
So a different approach to the transition period might let Labour get on board - but at what cost to her own party?
May has got herself into a hopeless position. |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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"Germans foreign European Commissioner is calling on Brussels to rethink its hard line on the UK over Brexit.
He states that Brussels should offer the British some sort of co decision on trade policy and appears to suggest the UK could be offered a new type of customs arrangement in which we could still be a rule - maker but also outside the European Court of Human Justice.
He will be interviewed on TV.
It looks like the EU are starting to panic. A harsh deal with the UK will have lasting damage on German industry and send shivers around an an already shivering eurozone .
It looks to me like further proof that we hold the winning cards .
It is a bit pointless surrendering before the battle has begun.
Theresa May can be confident of the UKs strong position when she meets Macron and Merkel in Paris to day.
We are in for roller coaster ride , so make sure you hold tightly.
What has any of that got to do with the Withdrawal Agreement? The sticking point is not what comes next but how we leave where we are. "
That's not true. The sticking point has always been the uncertainty with our future trading relationship - that "a blind brexit" cannot get voted through.
As recently as Sunday on Marr, Long-Bailey was asked about their position on the withdrawal agreement, the answer focused entirely on the future relationship. Thornberry has made similar remarks. |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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What has any of that got to do with the Withdrawal Agreement? The sticking point is not what comes next but how we leave where we are.
It depends which way May is facing.
Her own party refuses to allow the UK to exit because it does not like the withdrawal agreement.
Labour is OK with the withdrawal agreement but does not like the “what comes next” content of the political declaration.
So a different approach to the transition period might let Labour get on board - but at what cost to her own party?
May has got herself into a hopeless position."
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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It looks like the OP has bern inspired by an election leaflet from the Christian Social Union in Germany in which it says their MEPs, if elected, will push for a quick trade agreement.
Clutching. At. Straws
Meanwhile, those who are actually running the show, such as the German EU Affairs Minister are more pessimistic, stating the UK has failed to meet the conditions of the extension already granted.
Barnier, Juncker and Tusk continue to assure Varadkar there will be no discussion with UK until it settles the divorce bill and signs up to the Irish backstop.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Germans foreign European Commissioner is calling on Brussels to rethink its hard line on the UK over Brexit.
He states that Brussels should offer the British some sort of co decision on trade policy and appears to suggest the UK could be offered a new type of customs arrangement in which we could still be a rule - maker but also outside the European Court of Human Justice.
He will be interviewed on TV.
It looks like the EU are starting to panic. A harsh deal with the UK will have lasting damage on German industry and send shivers around an an already shivering eurozone .
It looks to me like further proof that we hold the winning cards .
It is a bit pointless surrendering before the battle has begun.
Theresa May can be confident of the UKs strong position when she meets Macron and Merkel in Paris to day.
We are in for roller coaster ride , so make sure you hold tightly."
I am a brexiteer but do not hold your confidence about things going well because the Frech hate the British.also May is useless |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Germans foreign European Commissioner is calling on Brussels to rethink its hard line on the UK over Brexit.
He states that Brussels should offer the British some sort of co decision on trade policy and appears to suggest the UK could be offered a new type of customs arrangement in which we could still be a rule - maker but also outside the European Court of Human Justice.
He will be interviewed on TV.
It looks like the EU are starting to panic. A harsh deal with the UK will have lasting damage on German industry and send shivers around an an already shivering eurozone .
It looks to me like further proof that we hold the winning cards .
It is a bit pointless surrendering before the battle has begun.
Theresa May can be confident of the UKs strong position when she meets Macron and Merkel in Paris to day.
We are in for roller coaster ride , so make sure you hold tightly.
What has any of that got to do with the Withdrawal Agreement? The sticking point is not what comes next but how we leave where we are.
That's not true. The sticking point has always been the uncertainty with our future trading relationship - that "a blind brexit" cannot get voted through.
As recently as Sunday on Marr, Long-Bailey was asked about their position on the withdrawal agreement, the answer focused entirely on the future relationship. Thornberry has made similar remarks. "
The Withdrawal Agreement is an International Treaty and the political declaration is a wish list that can be torn up at any given moment in time.
We have not left the EU because the Withdrawal Agreement has not passed through Parliament. It would have passed through Parliament (probably) had the Government done what it said it would do and have both documents in place as legally binding documents. Whatever bit of electioneering soundbyte maybe coming out of Germany, it has nothing whatsoever to do with anything about our leaving the EU and getting the WA ratified.
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The problem has never been the EU, it is Aaron Banks, Farage, ERG and BJ. Without them Brexit would not have got the votes it did - their constant lies and disinformation managed to persuade some people that the NHS would benefit, Turkey was about to join the EU and the European Army would be run by the Germans. All of it complete & utter bollox. |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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"The problem has never been the EU, it is Aaron Banks, Farage, ERG and BJ. Without them Brexit would not have got the votes it did - their constant lies and disinformation managed to persuade some people that the NHS would benefit, Turkey was about to join the EU and the European Army would be run by the Germans. All of it complete & utter bollox."
Being fair - people didn't vote remain because they thought were economically better in the single market. Goods will have trade issues if we are outside a customs border, Ireland and Gibraltar may have social upheaval, freedom of movement needed to be protected or laws needed to be kept in line with the EU. People voted to remain because they wanted the status quo. Running arguments of why people voted which way they did is exactly why parliament are where they are now. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"The problem has never been the EU, it is Aaron Banks, Farage, ERG and BJ. Without them Brexit would not have got the votes it did - their constant lies and disinformation managed to persuade some people that the NHS would benefit, Turkey was about to join the EU and the European Army would be run by the Germans. All of it complete & utter bollox.
Being fair - people didn't vote remain because they thought were economically better in the single market. Goods will have trade issues if we are outside a customs border, Ireland and Gibraltar may have social upheaval, freedom of movement needed to be protected or laws needed to be kept in line with the EU. People voted to remain because they wanted the status quo. Running arguments of why people voted which way they did is exactly why parliament are where they are now. "
"Running arguments of why people voted which way they did"
The irony is lost on you is it?
-Matt |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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"The problem has never been the EU, it is Aaron Banks, Farage, ERG and BJ. Without them Brexit would not have got the votes it did - their constant lies and disinformation managed to persuade some people that the NHS would benefit, Turkey was about to join the EU and the European Army would be run by the Germans. All of it complete & utter bollox.
Being fair - people didn't vote remain because they thought were economically better in the single market. Goods will have trade issues if we are outside a customs border, Ireland and Gibraltar may have social upheaval, freedom of movement needed to be protected or laws needed to be kept in line with the EU. People voted to remain because they wanted the status quo. Running arguments of why people voted which way they did is exactly why parliament are where they are now.
"Running arguments of why people voted which way they did"
The irony is lost on you is it?
-Matt"
Matt
More observation.
-Montgommery. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The problem has never been the EU, it is Aaron Banks, Farage, ERG and BJ. Without them Brexit would not have got the votes it did - their constant lies and disinformation managed to persuade some people that the NHS would benefit, Turkey was about to join the EU and the European Army would be run by the Germans. All of it complete & utter bollox."
Your post is a bit insulting to the electorate. Most people had more than sufficient information in which to base their decisions. Do you not believe in democracy ?
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" we could still be a rule - maker but also outside the European Court of Human Justice.
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Hi. Another example of Pat bullshit as normal.
He shows post after post that he doesn't have a fucking clue about what he types in cyberLand. |
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"The problem has never been the EU, it is Aaron Banks, Farage, ERG and BJ. Without them Brexit would not have got the votes it did - their constant lies and disinformation managed to persuade some people that the NHS would benefit, Turkey was about to join the EU and the European Army would be run by the Germans. All of it complete & utter bollox. Your post is a bit insulting to the electorate. Most people had more than sufficient information in which to base their decisions. Do you not believe in democracy ? "
More than it seems you do. Did Farage say he would pursue another Referendum if Leave lost 52:48, Yes. Did Farage, Banks, ERG, JRM, BJ lie about Brexit, Yes. If the Referendum had been a mandatory rather than advisory vote, would there have been criminal proceedings against the above, Yes. So, from a supporter of Democracy, Yes I do believe we should vote again as people now can’t say they believe in a pot of gold at the rainbow anymore.  |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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"The problem has never been the EU, it is Aaron Banks, Farage, ERG and BJ. Without them Brexit would not have got the votes it did - their constant lies and disinformation managed to persuade some people that the NHS would benefit, Turkey was about to join the EU and the European Army would be run by the Germans. All of it complete & utter bollox. Your post is a bit insulting to the electorate. Most people had more than sufficient information in which to base their decisions. Do you not believe in democracy ?
More than it seems you do. Did Farage say he would pursue another Referendum if Leave lost 52:48, Yes. Did Farage, Banks, ERG, JRM, BJ lie about Brexit, Yes. If the Referendum had been a mandatory rather than advisory vote, would there have been criminal proceedings against the above, Yes. So, from a supporter of Democracy, Yes I do believe we should vote again as people now can’t say they believe in a pot of gold at the rainbow anymore. "
If remain would have won even by 1%, 3 years on - we would be talking about Trumps tariffs right now as Corbyn and Labour were in the remain camp (which is why the deal is getting voted out). Libs, Greens and SNP's are all in the remain camp; Farage, Boris and I suspect the ERG's would have been drowned out by now. People voted how they did - informed or for whatever choice reasons. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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" we could still be a rule - maker but also outside the European Court of Human Justice.
Hi. Another example of Pat bullshit as normal.
He shows post after post that he doesn't have a fucking clue about what he types in cyberLand. "
trust "pat" not to know the difference between the european court of human rights... and the european court of justice!
actually the only thing i am not surprised at is that they try to use the vienna convention.......
oh.... but some brexiteers did.....
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away. "
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. |
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away. "
The threat to shoot ourselves squarely in the face and to further ruin our economy, just to slightly inconvenience the EU is off the table. Indeed. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. "
It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers. |
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers. "
Why do you think that the EU cant afford to lose the UK as a customer. But that the UK can afford to lose the EU. Considering that the eu is larger than the UK. |
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
Why do you think that the EU cant afford to lose the UK as a customer. But that the UK can afford to lose the EU. Considering that the eu is larger than the UK."
Of course the EU can afford to lose the UK, tell me what they can’t get from other EU countries? Yes, you’re gonna come out with a massive £ sign but the bigger picture is resources.. with more and more corporations leaving each week and the banking hubs likely to follow, what does the UK offer? |
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" we could still be a rule - maker but also outside the European Court of Human Justice.
Hi. Another example of Pat bullshit as normal.
He shows post after post that he doesn't have a fucking clue about what he types in cyberLand.
trust "pat" not to know the difference between the european court of human rights... and the european court of justice!
actually the only thing i am not surprised at is that they try to use the vienna convention.......
oh.... but some brexiteers did.....
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Hi. Thanks for the reply. My guess is that most people will have little interest in how a court is named.
The good news is that you have not found any fault with the validity of the post . Would you like me to post a correction on the name in case anyone on here spends their time on here checking the names of courts.  |
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
Why do you think that the EU cant afford to lose the UK as a customer. But that the UK can afford to lose the EU. Considering that the eu is larger than the UK."
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slightly confused...there was no if's or buts, maybe in the referendum. No how are we's It was plain yes or no to leaving...
So your politician has managed to delay, delay and delay by introducing all the what if's ( earning a fortune by doing so )..
I am of the opinion, those careerist people in the governing elite, don't actually want us to leave, I mean why would they, they have a huge market for employment opportunities with all the goodies that come with it...expense accounts huge salaries, spa baths, hair dressers, must have 2nd homes etc etc, all paid for by 600 million people approximately. ..I mean look at the president of the e.u. he spends €10,000 a month on haircuts.. |
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"slightly confused...there was no if's or buts, maybe in the referendum. No how are we's It was plain yes or no to leaving...
So your politician has managed to delay, delay and delay by introducing all the what if's ( earning a fortune by doing so )..
I am of the opinion, those careerist people in the governing elite, don't actually want us to leave, I mean why would they, they have a huge market for employment opportunities with all the goodies that come with it...expense accounts huge salaries, spa baths, hair dressers, must have 2nd homes etc etc, all paid for by 600 million people approximately. ..I mean look at the president of the e.u. he spends €10,000 a month on haircuts.."
...does he really? |
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"slightly confused...there was no if's or buts, maybe in the referendum. No how are we's It was plain yes or no to leaving...
So your politician has managed to delay, delay and delay by introducing all the what if's ( earning a fortune by doing so )..
I am of the opinion, those careerist people in the governing elite, don't actually want us to leave, I mean why would they, they have a huge market for employment opportunities with all the goodies that come with it...expense accounts huge salaries, spa baths, hair dressers, must have 2nd homes etc etc, all paid for by 600 million people approximately. ..I mean look at the president of the e.u. he spends €10,000 a month on haircuts..
...does he really?"
Apologies, my error
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/francois-hollandes-hairdresser-earns-10000-a-month-a7134471.html
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"slightly confused...there was no if's or buts, maybe in the referendum. No how are we's It was plain yes or no to leaving...
So your politician has managed to delay, delay and delay by introducing all the what if's ( earning a fortune by doing so )..
I am of the opinion, those careerist people in the governing elite, don't actually want us to leave, I mean why would they, they have a huge market for employment opportunities with all the goodies that come with it...expense accounts huge salaries, spa baths, hair dressers, must have 2nd homes etc etc, all paid for by 600 million people approximately. ..I mean look at the president of the e.u. he spends €10,000 a month on haircuts..
...does he really?
Apologies, my error
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/francois-hollandes-hairdresser-earns-10000-a-month-a7134471.html
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This guy isn’t the president of the E.U.
he’s the former president of France. Plus the story is from 2016. It’s probably one of the reasons that the French electorate voted for Macron. |
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May has been flogging a dead horse for a long long time now, we all have. That is why I haven’t posted here as much as I used to.
The way I see it is thus. We get a big fat NO from the EU regarding the extension, (and I hope we do) and leave without a deal. Or our government water down May’s deal so much, that it will be like we haven’t left at all.
I’m certain that May is still a remainer, and what we will get is the latter of the two options.  |
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"May has been flogging a dead horse for a long long time now, we all have. That is why I haven’t posted here as much as I used to.
The way I see it is thus. We get a big fat NO from the EU regarding the extension, (and I hope we do) and leave without a deal. Or our government water down May’s deal so much, that it will be like we haven’t left at all.
I’m certain that May is still a remainer, and what we will get is the latter of the two options. "
But you voted for this dead horse. And now you're complaining? |
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You basically think that we should treat our long-time allies and future trading partners with some disdain or contempt op?
How about we start to operate professionally and work for greater levels of mutual success! In the EU would certainly be best but if we leave, work on improving respectful dialogue and relationships with partners. |
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"slightly confused...there was no if's or buts, maybe in the referendum. No how are we's It was plain yes or no to leaving...
So your politician has managed to delay, delay and delay by introducing all the what if's ( earning a fortune by doing so )..
I am of the opinion, those careerist people in the governing elite, don't actually want us to leave, I mean why would they, they have a huge market for employment opportunities with all the goodies that come with it...expense accounts huge salaries, spa baths, hair dressers, must have 2nd homes etc etc, all paid for by 600 million people approximately. ..I mean look at the president of the e.u. he spends €10,000 a month on haircuts..
...does he really?
Apologies, my error
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/francois-hollandes-hairdresser-earns-10000-a-month-a7134471.html
This guy isn’t the president of the E.U.
he’s the former president of France. Plus the story is from 2016. It’s probably one of the reasons that the French electorate voted for Macron. "
No effluent sherlock. Guess you missed the bit above where I apologised to the person above who answered my post for my error.
The point is still valid, people in the political elite, the careerists are taking us all for a ride on their gravy train.. |
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"slightly confused...there was no if's or buts, maybe in the referendum. No how are we's It was plain yes or no to leaving...
So your politician has managed to delay, delay and delay by introducing all the what if's ( earning a fortune by doing so )..
I am of the opinion, those careerist people in the governing elite, don't actually want us to leave, I mean why would they, they have a huge market for employment opportunities with all the goodies that come with it...expense accounts huge salaries, spa baths, hair dressers, must have 2nd homes etc etc, all paid for by 600 million people approximately. ..I mean look at the president of the e.u. he spends €10,000 a month on haircuts..
...does he really?
Apologies, my error
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/francois-hollandes-hairdresser-earns-10000-a-month-a7134471.html
This guy isn’t the president of the E.U.
he’s the former president of France. Plus the story is from 2016. It’s probably one of the reasons that the French electorate voted for Macron.
No effluent sherlock. Guess you missed the bit above where I apologised to the person above who answered my post for my error.
The point is still valid, people in the political elite, the careerists are taking us all for a ride on their gravy train.."
Not least our own glorious Farage, ERG, JRM and BJ - how does it help us letting the lunatics take over the asylum? |
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers. "
You do realise how stupid your statement is don't you Pat.
The EU is our biggest trading "customer" so switching it round, can we afford to lose OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER? |
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It's not rocket science. Put yourself in a business setting, your annual product turnover is reliant on being able to use a vital component in your product.
Now, you can source a supplier of that product in Wales at £1.35 per unit, a supplier in Newcastle for £1.60 per unit, a supplier in Birmingham for £1.50 per unit, and an EU supplier which has the advantage of vastly larger market competition for .75p per unit.
Which one as a business owner are you going to use to fill your annual requirements? |
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"It's not rocket science. Put yourself in a business setting, your annual product turnover is reliant on being able to use a vital component in your product.
Now, you can source a supplier of that product in Wales at £1.35 per unit, a supplier in Newcastle for £1.60 per unit, a supplier in Birmingham for £1.50 per unit, and an EU supplier which has the advantage of vastly larger market competition for .75p per unit.
Which one as a business owner are you going to use to fill your annual requirements?"
Hi. How does this relate to Brexit ? Surely this must also be the case currently so you purchase from the supplier that best suits your needs ? We are only talking about a small small tweaks to duties ? |
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
You do realise how stupid your statement is don't you Pat.
The EU is our biggest trading "customer" so switching it round, can we afford to lose OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER? "
Who said anything about losing our biggest customer. We will continue to trade , albeit on slightly different terms . |
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And over the past three years your tory pals have done a magnificent job of preparing for brexit haven’t they Pat?
This whole fiasco came about because that idiot Cameron wanted to knock UKIP out of his yard so he took bad advice and left it up to the people to choose. The question should have been diverted to a royal commission which could have spent the time and a lot less money on costing the whole process instead of which we have become a laughing stock all over the world. Liam Fox in particular should be kicked out of office for his extravagant claims of trade agreements. |
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"May has been flogging a dead horse for a long long time now, we all have. That is why I haven’t posted here as much as I used to.
The way I see it is thus. We get a big fat NO from the EU regarding the extension, (and I hope we do) and leave without a deal. Or our government water down May’s deal so much, that it will be like we haven’t left at all.
I’m certain that May is still a remainer, and what we will get is the latter of the two options.
But you voted for this dead horse. And now you're complaining?"
Where did I ever say I voted for May’s version of BREXIT? No fucking way!
I voted to leave the E.U. expecting to do just that. All the govt has done so far is to stall for time to deliver a BREXIT BETRAYAL. That is what they are doing, hanging on to their gravy train with all their might.
They might just have well done what the likes of Greece and Ireland did, keep having referendums until they got the result they wanted. BASTARDS! |
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
You do realise how stupid your statement is don't you Pat.
The EU is our biggest trading "customer" so switching it round, can we afford to lose OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER? Who said anything about losing our biggest customer. We will continue to trade , albeit on slightly different terms . "
Hi. So will the EU which makes your point very stupid as you contradict yourself again |
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
You do realise how stupid your statement is don't you Pat.
The EU is our biggest trading "customer" so switching it round, can we afford to lose OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER?
He read it in the Daily Mail, the bastion of fair reporting and truth.
Ah. I'm not convinced this person is for real. I think it's someone posting ever more outlandish rhubarb to see people bite.
He's probably an intelligent person behid the facade, pretending to be the villiage idiot."
No, I think the posts truly reflect the person |
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"May has been flogging a dead horse for a long long time now, we all have. That is why I haven’t posted here as much as I used to.
The way I see it is thus. We get a big fat NO from the EU regarding the extension, (and I hope we do) and leave without a deal. Or our government water down May’s deal so much, that it will be like we haven’t left at all.
I’m certain that May is still a remainer, and what we will get is the latter of the two options.
But you voted for this dead horse. And now you're complaining?
Where did I ever say I voted for May’s version of BREXIT? No fucking way!
I voted to leave the E.U. expecting to do just that. All the govt has done so far is to stall for time to deliver a BREXIT BETRAYAL. That is what they are doing, hanging on to their gravy train with all their might.
They might just have well done what the likes of Greece and Ireland did, keep having referendums until they got the result they wanted. BASTARDS!"
So incorrect and you probably don't even know it. |
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"May has been flogging a dead horse for a long long time now, we all have. That is why I haven’t posted here as much as I used to.
The way I see it is thus. We get a big fat NO from the EU regarding the extension, (and I hope we do) and leave without a deal. Or our government water down May’s deal so much, that it will be like we haven’t left at all.
I’m certain that May is still a remainer, and what we will get is the latter of the two options.
But you voted for this dead horse. And now you're complaining?
Where did I ever say I voted for May’s version of BREXIT? No fucking way!
I voted to leave the E.U. expecting to do just that. All the govt has done so far is to stall for time to deliver a BREXIT BETRAYAL. That is what they are doing, hanging on to their gravy train with all their might.
They might just have well done what the likes of Greece and Ireland did, keep having referendums until they got the result they wanted. BASTARDS!"
But you were told before the referendum that it would take at least 5 years, you knew that there are a million and one versions of Brexit, you were told it would be a cluster fuck to try to get agreement on which one. You told us you knew what you were voting for.
What's your problem? You literally voted for this, and now you don't like it.
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
You do realise how stupid your statement is don't you Pat.
The EU is our biggest trading "customer" so switching it round, can we afford to lose OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER?
He read it in the Daily Mail, the bastion of fair reporting and truth.
Ah. I'm not convinced this person is for real. I think it's someone posting ever more outlandish rhubarb to see people bite.
He's probably an intelligent person behid the facade, pretending to be the villiage idiot.
No, I think the posts truly reflect the person "
Really? His posts are so wildly inaccurate and illogical. Can anyone be as confused as this for real?
Most of the other brexiteers seem really passionate about it. This guy just posts up really confused contradictory stuff at random. |
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over a year ago
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
You do realise how stupid your statement is don't you Pat.
The EU is our biggest trading "customer" so switching it round, can we afford to lose OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER?
He read it in the Daily Mail, the bastion of fair reporting and truth.
Ah. I'm not convinced this person is for real. I think it's someone posting ever more outlandish rhubarb to see people bite.
He's probably an intelligent person behid the facade, pretending to be the villiage idiot.
No, I think the posts truly reflect the person
Really? His posts are so wildly inaccurate and illogical. Can anyone be as confused as this for real?
Most of the other brexiteers seem really passionate about it. This guy just posts up really confused contradictory stuff at random."
So do many other leavers, I see little difference really |
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
You do realise how stupid your statement is don't you Pat.
The EU is our biggest trading "customer" so switching it round, can we afford to lose OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER?
He read it in the Daily Mail, the bastion of fair reporting and truth.
Ah. I'm not convinced this person is for real. I think it's someone posting ever more outlandish rhubarb to see people bite.
He's probably an intelligent person behid the facade, pretending to be the villiage idiot.
No, I think the posts truly reflect the person
Really? His posts are so wildly inaccurate and illogical. Can anyone be as confused as this for real?
Most of the other brexiteers seem really passionate about it. This guy just posts up really confused contradictory stuff at random.
So do many other leavers, I see little difference really "
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
You do realise how stupid your statement is don't you Pat.
The EU is our biggest trading "customer" so switching it round, can we afford to lose OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER? Who said anything about losing our biggest customer. We will continue to trade , albeit on slightly different terms . "
Vastly different terms. It's not just the tariffs, it's moving from frictionless, borderless movement of goods to customs checks etc etc, all of which have a cost to business. You haven't thought this through have you? |
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
You do realise how stupid your statement is don't you Pat.
The EU is our biggest trading "customer" so switching it round, can we afford to lose OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER? Who said anything about losing our biggest customer. We will continue to trade , albeit on slightly different terms .
Vastly different terms. It's not just the tariffs, it's moving from frictionless, borderless movement of goods to customs checks etc etc, all of which have a cost to business. You haven't thought this through have you?"
However any extra freight costs will be immaterial. Look at how easily goofs move through Felixstowe. |
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
You do realise how stupid your statement is don't you Pat.
The EU is our biggest trading "customer" so switching it round, can we afford to lose OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER? Who said anything about losing our biggest customer. We will continue to trade , albeit on slightly different terms .
Vastly different terms. It's not just the tariffs, it's moving from frictionless, borderless movement of goods to customs checks etc etc, all of which have a cost to business. You haven't thought this through have you? However any extra freight costs will be immaterial. Look at how easily goofs move through Felixstowe. "
Those crazy goofs, they're always moving through Felixstowe.
I know it's bad form to make fun if typos. But your posts make more sense with the typos than without. |
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
You do realise how stupid your statement is don't you Pat.
The EU is our biggest trading "customer" so switching it round, can we afford to lose OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER? Who said anything about losing our biggest customer. We will continue to trade , albeit on slightly different terms .
Vastly different terms. It's not just the tariffs, it's moving from frictionless, borderless movement of goods to customs checks etc etc, all of which have a cost to business. You haven't thought this through have you? However any extra freight costs will be immaterial. Look at how easily goofs move through Felixstowe.
Those crazy goofs, they're always moving through Felixstowe.
I know it's bad form to make fun if typos. But your posts make more sense with the typos than without."
Standard fodder from you. No logical argument what so ever. So you try to make fun of and belittle other people... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
You do realise how stupid your statement is don't you Pat.
The EU is our biggest trading "customer" so switching it round, can we afford to lose OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER? Who said anything about losing our biggest customer. We will continue to trade , albeit on slightly different terms .
Vastly different terms. It's not just the tariffs, it's moving from frictionless, borderless movement of goods to customs checks etc etc, all of which have a cost to business. You haven't thought this through have you? However any extra freight costs will be immaterial. Look at how easily goofs move through Felixstowe.
Those crazy goofs, they're always moving through Felixstowe.
I know it's bad form to make fun if typos. But your posts make more sense with the typos than without.
Standard fodder from you. No logical argument what so ever. So you try to make fun of and belittle other people... "
1. This isn't standard behaviour from me.
2. I'm not bigoted.
3. This is a character. It's not a real person. |
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
You do realise how stupid your statement is don't you Pat.
The EU is our biggest trading "customer" so switching it round, can we afford to lose OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER? Who said anything about losing our biggest customer. We will continue to trade , albeit on slightly different terms .
Vastly different terms. It's not just the tariffs, it's moving from frictionless, borderless movement of goods to customs checks etc etc, all of which have a cost to business. You haven't thought this through have you? However any extra freight costs will be immaterial. Look at how easily goofs move through Felixstowe.
Those crazy goofs, they're always moving through Felixstowe.
I know it's bad form to make fun if typos. But your posts make more sense with the typos than without.
Standard fodder from you. No logical argument what so ever. So you try to make fun of and belittle other people...
1. This isn't standard behaviour from me.
2. I'm not bigoted.
3. I am a character "
The real tragedy is that you just don't see it. Probably the Tories fault. Curse those handsome devils!!
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
You do realise how stupid your statement is don't you Pat.
The EU is our biggest trading "customer" so switching it round, can we afford to lose OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER? Who said anything about losing our biggest customer. We will continue to trade , albeit on slightly different terms .
Vastly different terms. It's not just the tariffs, it's moving from frictionless, borderless movement of goods to customs checks etc etc, all of which have a cost to business. You haven't thought this through have you? However any extra freight costs will be immaterial. Look at how easily goofs move through Felixstowe.
Those crazy goofs, they're always moving through Felixstowe.
I know it's bad form to make fun if typos. But your posts make more sense with the typos than without.
Standard fodder from you. No logical argument what so ever. So you try to make fun of and belittle other people...
1. This isn't standard behaviour from me.
2. I'm not bigoted.
3. I am a character
The real tragedy is that you just don't see it. Probably the Tories fault. Curse those handsome devils!!
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Sinking lower and lower. Trying to make it look like I said something I didn't.
Anyone who spouts bigotry, as you have, has no opinion worth anything. |
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
You do realise how stupid your statement is don't you Pat.
The EU is our biggest trading "customer" so switching it round, can we afford to lose OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER? Who said anything about losing our biggest customer. We will continue to trade , albeit on slightly different terms .
Vastly different terms. It's not just the tariffs, it's moving from frictionless, borderless movement of goods to customs checks etc etc, all of which have a cost to business. You haven't thought this through have you? However any extra freight costs will be immaterial. Look at how easily goofs move through Felixstowe.
Those crazy goofs, they're always moving through Felixstowe.
I know it's bad form to make fun if typos. But your posts make more sense with the typos than without.
Standard fodder from you. No logical argument what so ever. So you try to make fun of and belittle other people...
1. This isn't standard behaviour from me.
2. I'm not bigoted.
3. I am a character
The real tragedy is that you just don't see it. Probably the Tories fault. Curse those handsome devils!!
Sinking lower and lower. Trying to make it look like I said something I didn't.
Anyone who sprouts bigotry, as you have, has no opinion worth anything. "
Do you have any examples that you can share with the class, or is this another ManU Vs liverpool thing? |
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
You do realise how stupid your statement is don't you Pat.
The EU is our biggest trading "customer" so switching it round, can we afford to lose OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER? Who said anything about losing our biggest customer. We will continue to trade , albeit on slightly different terms .
Vastly different terms. It's not just the tariffs, it's moving from frictionless, borderless movement of goods to customs checks etc etc, all of which have a cost to business. You haven't thought this through have you? However any extra freight costs will be immaterial. Look at how easily goofs move through Felixstowe.
Those crazy goofs, they're always moving through Felixstowe.
I know it's bad form to make fun if typos. But your posts make more sense with the typos than without.
Standard fodder from you. No logical argument what so ever. So you try to make fun of and belittle other people...
1. This isn't standard behaviour from me.
2. I'm not bigoted.
3. I am a character
The real tragedy is that you just don't see it. Probably the Tories fault. Curse those handsome devils!!
Sinking lower and lower. Trying to make it look like I said something I didn't.
Anyone who sprouts bigotry, as you have, has no opinion worth anything.
Do you have any examples that you can share with the class, or is this another ManU Vs liverpool thing? "
I have no interest I'm trawling through your previous Muslim bashing threads to find the links.
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
You do realise how stupid your statement is don't you Pat.
The EU is our biggest trading "customer" so switching it round, can we afford to lose OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER? Who said anything about losing our biggest customer. We will continue to trade , albeit on slightly different terms .
Vastly different terms. It's not just the tariffs, it's moving from frictionless, borderless movement of goods to customs checks etc etc, all of which have a cost to business. You haven't thought this through have you? However any extra freight costs will be immaterial. Look at how easily goofs move through Felixstowe.
Those crazy goofs, they're always moving through Felixstowe.
I know it's bad form to make fun if typos. But your posts make more sense with the typos than without.
Standard fodder from you. No logical argument what so ever. So you try to make fun of and belittle other people...
1. This isn't standard behaviour from me.
2. I'm not bigoted.
3. I am a character
The real tragedy is that you just don't see it. Probably the Tories fault. Curse those handsome devils!!
Sinking lower and lower. Trying to make it look like I said something I didn't.
Anyone who sprouts bigotry, as you have, has no opinion worth anything.
Do you have any examples that you can share with the class, or is this another ManU Vs liverpool thing?
I have no interest I'm trawling through your previous Muslim bashing threads to find the links.
Life is too short."
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"And over the past three years your tory pals have done a magnificent job of preparing for brexit haven’t they Pat?
This whole fiasco came about because that idiot Cameron wanted to knock UKIP out of his yard so he took bad advice and left it up to the people to choose. The question should have been diverted to a royal commission which could have spent the time and a lot less money on costing the whole process instead of which we have become a laughing stock all over the world. Liam Fox in particular should be kicked out of office for his extravagant claims of trade agreements. "
Hi. Who said we are a laughing stock ?
David Cameron was a great Prime Minister who decided to give every single voter the chance to decide whether or not it was beneficial or not to remain in the EU.
The only people complaining are those who lost.
Various people and organisations have decided to make the departure as difficult as possible .
Once we leave we will be an architect of our own destiny.
If we can depart without a deal and trade on WTO terms the poorer members of society will benefit through lower food and clothing prices.
In any event who cares if we are a laughing stock. |
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"Hi. Who said we are a laughing stock ? "
Like every other country even America is going to try and squeeze us to push their pharma regulations if we leave on no deal. Hardly call it taking control of our destiny when other countries are planning to spank us because we've shown we're weak. And yet our media (controlled by the right) has the gall to say the EU are dictating our future by giving us an extension when it's our own damn government who couldn't give an answer by the deadline. |
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
You do realise how stupid your statement is don't you Pat.
The EU is our biggest trading "customer" so switching it round, can we afford to lose OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER? Who said anything about losing our biggest customer. We will continue to trade , albeit on slightly different terms .
Vastly different terms. It's not just the tariffs, it's moving from frictionless, borderless movement of goods to customs checks etc etc, all of which have a cost to business. You haven't thought this through have you? However any extra freight costs will be immaterial. Look at how easily goofs move through Felixstowe.
Those crazy goofs, they're always moving through Felixstowe.
I know it's bad form to make fun if typos. But your posts make more sense with the typos than without.
Standard fodder from you. No logical argument what so ever. So you try to make fun of and belittle other people...
1. This isn't standard behaviour from me.
2. I'm not bigoted.
3. I am a character
The real tragedy is that you just don't see it. Probably the Tories fault. Curse those handsome devils!!
Sinking lower and lower. Trying to make it look like I said something I didn't.
Anyone who sprouts bigotry, as you have, has no opinion worth anything.
Do you have any examples that you can share with the class, or is this another ManU Vs liverpool thing?
I have no interest I'm trawling through your previous Muslim bashing threads to find the links.
Life is too short.
So no. nice one Davey
I'm still waiting for him to post the evidence of the government saying they will be cutting worker's rights and environmental laws, I've been waiting along time!
It's just typical of the hot air that comes out his mouth! Lol  "
Just so we are clear. The other poster consistently posts islamophobic rants on here. Then gets agro when his bigotry is called out. I do not apologise for calling out bigotry.
You want me go Google "EU red tape brexit" and post links on here because you're too lazy to do it.
These are completely unrelated events. Don't put your laziness into the same category as the other guys hate and bigotry. |
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"And over the past three years your tory pals have done a magnificent job of preparing for brexit haven’t they Pat?
This whole fiasco came about because that idiot Cameron wanted to knock UKIP out of his yard so he took bad advice and left it up to the people to choose. The question should have been diverted to a royal commission which could have spent the time and a lot less money on costing the whole process instead of which we have become a laughing stock all over the world. Liam Fox in particular should be kicked out of office for his extravagant claims of trade agreements. Hi. Who said we are a laughing stock ?
David Cameron was a great Prime Minister who decided to give every single voter the chance to decide whether or not it was beneficial or not to remain in the EU.
The only people complaining are those who lost.
Various people and organisations have decided to make the departure as difficult as possible .
Once we leave we will be an architect of our own destiny.
If we can depart without a deal and trade on WTO terms the poorer members of society will benefit through lower food and clothing prices.
In any event who cares if we are a laughing stock. "
I am beginning to think that you really are beyond redemption Pat!
I am presuming you are just trolling but if you really do believe any of what you post then I worry you might be disappointed when your utopian dreams come to nought. |
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"You basically think that we should treat our long-time allies and future trading partners with some disdain or contempt op?
How about we start to operate professionally and work for greater levels of mutual success! In the EU would certainly be best but if we leave, work on improving respectful dialogue and relationships with partners. "
"treat our long-time allies and future trading partners with some disdain or contempt"...
allies don't say, right back at the beginning, that they would "punish" the UK for voting to leave, and make it "so hard that we would regret it".
The EU knows it can't stop us leaving, but it does want to show any other potential "leavers" that the road is a rocky one.
Most recently, speaking of the negotiations, some bigwig in the EU team used these, or very similar words, to describe how things were going... "We have them (the UK) with theirs backs to the wall, and a knife to their throat"...yeah, really sounds like we should treat them as "allies" doesn't it?
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"You basically think that we should treat our long-time allies and future trading partners with some disdain or contempt op?
How about we start to operate professionally and work for greater levels of mutual success! In the EU would certainly be best but if we leave, work on improving respectful dialogue and relationships with partners.
"treat our long-time allies and future trading partners with some disdain or contempt"...
allies don't say, right back at the beginning, that they would "punish" the UK for voting to leave, and make it "so hard that we would regret it".
The EU knows it can't stop us leaving, but it does want to show any other potential "leavers" that the road is a rocky one.
Most recently, speaking of the negotiations, some bigwig in the EU team used these, or very similar words, to describe how things were going... "We have them (the UK) with theirs backs to the wall, and a knife to their throat"...yeah, really sounds like we should treat them as "allies" doesn't it?
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Have all Brexiteers been saintly in their choice of words? The EU have not been the issue in the Tory clusterfuck...  |
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"You basically think that we should treat our long-time allies and future trading partners with some disdain or contempt op?
How about we start to operate professionally and work for greater levels of mutual success! In the EU would certainly be best but if we leave, work on improving respectful dialogue and relationships with partners.
"treat our long-time allies and future trading partners with some disdain or contempt"...
allies don't say, right back at the beginning, that they would "punish" the UK for voting to leave, and make it "so hard that we would regret it".
The EU knows it can't stop us leaving, but it does want to show any other potential "leavers" that the road is a rocky one.
Most recently, speaking of the negotiations, some bigwig in the EU team used these, or very similar words, to describe how things were going... "We have them (the UK) with theirs backs to the wall, and a knife to their throat"...yeah, really sounds like we should treat them as "allies" doesn't it?
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It would be great if you could actually give a bona fide source for that - otherwise it sounds like you just made that up! |
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"You basically think that we should treat our long-time allies and future trading partners with some disdain or contempt op?
How about we start to operate professionally and work for greater levels of mutual success! In the EU would certainly be best but if we leave, work on improving respectful dialogue and relationships with partners.
"treat our long-time allies and future trading partners with some disdain or contempt"...
allies don't say, right back at the beginning, that they would "punish" the UK for voting to leave, and make it "so hard that we would regret it".
The EU knows it can't stop us leaving, but it does want to show any other potential "leavers" that the road is a rocky one.
Most recently, speaking of the negotiations, some bigwig in the EU team used these, or very similar words, to describe how things were going... "We have them (the UK) with theirs backs to the wall, and a knife to their throat"...yeah, really sounds like we should treat them as "allies" doesn't it?
It would be great if you could actually give a bona fide source for that - otherwise it sounds like you just made that up! "
I'm sorry, I read, or view the news, I don't write down every source in case someone decides to ask.
Its common knowledge that Barnier, Junker et al said that they were going to "punish" us way back when the process first started, it was on pretty much every news channel.
The latest quote was from earlier this year, in a press conference, so I'm sure its out there in written form somewhere, I just cant be arsed trying to find it. |
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Most recently, speaking of the negotiations, some bigwig in the EU team used these, or very similar words, to describe how things were going... "We have them (the UK) with theirs backs to the wall, and a knife to their throat"...yeah, really sounds like we should treat them as "allies" doesn't it?
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Have you been reading the Daily Express again?
(Hint: they make sh*t up)
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"You basically think that we should treat our long-time allies and future trading partners with some disdain or contempt op?
How about we start to operate professionally and work for greater levels of mutual success! In the EU would certainly be best but if we leave, work on improving respectful dialogue and relationships with partners.
"treat our long-time allies and future trading partners with some disdain or contempt"...
allies don't say, right back at the beginning, that they would "punish" the UK for voting to leave, and make it "so hard that we would regret it".
The EU knows it can't stop us leaving, but it does want to show any other potential "leavers" that the road is a rocky one.
Most recently, speaking of the negotiations, some bigwig in the EU team used these, or very similar words, to describe how things were going... "We have them (the UK) with theirs backs to the wall, and a knife to their throat"...yeah, really sounds like we should treat them as "allies" doesn't it?
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Yeah, but we are taking back control now, remember? We have Farage threatening our own MPs instead now. We don’t want no unelected Johnny Foregiener elite threatening our MPs, when we have have our own unelected British elite threatening our MPs.
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Most recently, speaking of the negotiations, some bigwig in the EU team used these, or very similar words, to describe how things were going... "We have them (the UK) with theirs backs to the wall, and a knife to their throat"...yeah, really sounds like we should treat them as "allies" doesn't it?
Have you been reading the Daily Express again?
(Hint: they make sh*t up)
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Junker, in an interview with "Le Monde", states "Leave EU and we will make your lives a misery".
"The President of the EU commission told Le Monde that Britain after Brexit would not be "..handled gently"."
A few minutes on t'interwebby and you can find various quotes, given in interviews to various newspapers.
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"Zac Goldsmith: Former EU President Herman van Rompuy: “...with their backs against the wall, the abyss in front of their eyes and a knife on their throat. We are nearly there. If some time is needed after the end of March then that will not be a problem for the 27.”Twitter (twitter.com)"
Found the quote....sounds like something "allies" would say, doesn't it? |
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""Zac Goldsmith: Former EU President Herman van Rompuy: “...with their backs against the wall, the abyss in front of their eyes and a knife on their throat. We are nearly there. If some time is needed after the end of March then that will not be a problem for the 27.”Twitter (twitter.com)"
Found the quote....sounds like something "allies" would say, doesn't it?"
Do we have to list all of Farage, JRM, Gove, BJ’s quotes? Many have been put up as reminder posters for us all to see. Neither side has always said the right thing, but the EU has not lied, unlike our esteemed Brexit Leaders... |
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Most recently, speaking of the negotiations, some bigwig in the EU team used these, or very similar words, to describe how things were going... "We have them (the UK) with theirs backs to the wall, and a knife to their throat"...yeah, really sounds like we should treat them as "allies" doesn't it?
Have you been reading the Daily Express again?
(Hint: they make sh*t up)
Junker, in an interview with "Le Monde", states "Leave EU and we will make your lives a misery".
"The President of the EU commission told Le Monde that Britain after Brexit would not be "..handled gently"."
A few minutes on t'interwebby and you can find various quotes, given in interviews to various newspapers.
It's easy to accuse people of making things up when it doesn't suit your agenda."
Right. So when you say ‘recently’, what you actually mean is nearly three years ago?
I presume what you really mean by the “knives against the throat” is the comment by Van Rumpuy a year ago when he was talking about the U.K. politicians response to May’s red lines?
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"The eu has been helped by parliament.
Taking no deal off the table is one major bargaining chip parliament had has been thrown away.
The EU don’t care about No Deal, they can easily survive it. They care about Ireland, as they are much more dependent on the UK. It would be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion. I guess what you mean is that it would hurt them more than us , but they are afraid to admit it. No one can afford to lose one of their biggest customers.
You do realise how stupid your statement is don't you Pat.
The EU is our biggest trading "customer" so switching it round, can we afford to lose OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER? Who said anything about losing our biggest customer. We will continue to trade , albeit on slightly different terms .
Vastly different terms. It's not just the tariffs, it's moving from frictionless, borderless movement of goods to customs checks etc etc, all of which have a cost to business. You haven't thought this through have you? However any extra freight costs will be immaterial. Look at how easily goofs move through Felixstowe.
Those crazy goofs, they're always moving through Felixstowe.
I know it's bad form to make fun if typos. But your posts make more sense with the typos than without.
Standard fodder from you. No logical argument what so ever. So you try to make fun of and belittle other people...
1. This isn't standard behaviour from me.
2. I'm not bigoted.
3. I am a character
The real tragedy is that you just don't see it. Probably the Tories fault. Curse those handsome devils!!
Sinking lower and lower. Trying to make it look like I said something I didn't.
Anyone who sprouts bigotry, as you have, has no opinion worth anything.
Do you have any examples that you can share with the class, or is this another ManU Vs liverpool thing?
I have no interest I'm trawling through your previous Muslim bashing threads to find the links.
Life is too short.
So no. nice one Davey
I'm still waiting for him to post the evidence of the government saying they will be cutting worker's rights and environmental laws, I've been waiting along time!
It's just typical of the hot air that comes out his mouth! Lol
Just so we are clear. The other poster consistently posts islamophobic rants on here. Then gets agro when his bigotry is called out. I do not apologise for calling out bigotry.
You want me go Google "EU red tape brexit" and post links on here because you're too lazy to do it.
These are completely unrelated events. Don't put your laziness into the same category as the other guys hate and bigotry."
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"The UK will not be in any position of strength whatsoever until we break free from the big rusty dinosaur that is the EU."
Or the complete opposite - if we embraced the EU and put people into it who wanted it to succeed, as opposed to Farage, we would have achieved so much more. The man has made a laughing stock of this country and has cost us a fortune. |
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"The UK will not be in any position of strength whatsoever until we break free from the big rusty dinosaur that is the EU.
Or the complete opposite - if we embraced the EU and put people into it who wanted it to succeed, as opposed to Farage, we would have achieved so much more. The man has made a laughing stock of this country and has cost us a fortune."
And made sure he's covered his back with his duel citizenship for him and his family. Not forgetting happily accepting his MEP salary and perks even though supposedly detesting the EU. He's nothing more than a two faced parasite |
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"The UK will not be in any position of strength whatsoever until we break free from the big rusty dinosaur that is the EU.
Or the complete opposite - if we embraced the EU and put people into it who wanted it to succeed, in as opposed to Farage, we would have achieved so much more. The man has made a laughing stock of this country and has cost us a fortune.
And made sure he's covered his back with his duel citizenship for him and his family. Not forgetting happily accepting his MEP salary and perks even though supposedly detesting the EU. He's nothing more than a two faced parasite"
I cant argue with that!
And going back to the quote from that bastion of reliability Zac Goldsmith - it was, as is common on here, recited out of context and from 3 years ago so its hardly relevant given that we are talking to Donald Tusk these days. Also 3 years on what is the point of peddling that old news? Its more than half the most useless government in history’s lifetime. |
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""Zac Goldsmith: Former EU President Herman van Rompuy: “...with their backs against the wall, the abyss in front of their eyes and a knife on their throat. We are nearly there. If some time is needed after the end of March then that will not be a problem for the 27.”Twitter (twitter.com)"
Found the quote....sounds like something "allies" would say, doesn't it?"
A politician in London, attributing a quote to someone who has nothing to do with today's EU . . . you're clutching at straws.
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"The UK will not be in any position of strength whatsoever until we break free from the big rusty dinosaur that is the EU.
Or the complete opposite - if we embraced the EU and put people into it who wanted it to succeed, as opposed to Farage, we would have achieved so much more. The man has made a laughing stock of this country and has cost us a fortune."
Embrace the E.U.? I’d sooner kick it’s teeth in. |
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"The UK will not be in any position of strength whatsoever until we break free from the big rusty dinosaur that is the EU.
Or the complete opposite - if we embraced the EU and put people into it who wanted it to succeed, as opposed to Farage, we would have achieved so much more. The man has made a laughing stock of this country and has cost us a fortune.
Embrace the E.U.? I’d sooner kick it’s teeth in."
And some people still wonder why leavers get tarnished like they do. |
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"The UK will not be in any position of strength whatsoever until we break free from the big rusty dinosaur that is the EU.
Or the complete opposite - if we embraced the EU and put people into it who wanted it to succeed, as opposed to Farage, we would have achieved so much more. The man has made a laughing stock of this country and has cost us a fortune.
Embrace the E.U.? I’d sooner kick it’s teeth in."
Which is why you will always be in the UK |
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Brexit - seen from abroad has only galvanised the need for the a stable EU.
There maybe a lot of anti EU sentiment out there in many countries but when push’s comes to shove no body now wants to see their country go through what the UK is going through now.
The damage this debacle has done to the image of this country abroad is in calculable- the brand of the UK is so powerful world wide- the Union Jack.
Now countries see us as not a Union- not united country but very very divided country and sadly\more importantly..... incapable of compromise . |
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"Brexit - seen from abroad has only galvanised the need for the a stable EU.
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And the EU is a lot more stable than the UK.
A council of ministers - leaders from 27 different countries, of left, right and centre - all able to compromise and agree common decisions about the UK membership.
The UK Cabinet - politicians from one single British party, fighting like ferrets in a sack.
Strong and stable, eh? |
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