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"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. " You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. | |||
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"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians." Did you just make that bit up just now? Because that is 100% wrong.. and that’s why he’s going to rot in a cell, just a shame Gen. Jackson isn’t in a stinking hole beside him.. | |||
""No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians." " I refer you to the history of Britain.  | |||
""No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians." I refer you to the history of Britain. "How ironic if OP is watching C4 right now  | |||
"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. Did you just make that bit up just now? Because that is 100% wrong.. and that’s why he’s going to rot in a cell, just a shame Gen. Jackson isn’t in a stinking hole beside him.. " If you mean the bit about the shots coming from PIRA terrorists, then no, I didn't make it up. In 2010 Lord Saville’s inquiry into the events found that Martin McGuinness was “probably” carrying a Thompson sub-machine gun during Bloody Sunday. A Thompson submachinegun was used to kill two security forces personnel 3 days earlier. "The report found that McGuinness, 'at that time the Adjutant of the Derry Brigade or Command of the Provisional IRA had engaged in paramilitary activity during the day'. | |||
"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. Did you just make that bit up just now? Because that is 100% wrong.. and that’s why he’s going to rot in a cell, just a shame Gen. Jackson isn’t in a stinking hole beside him.. If you mean the bit about the shots coming from PIRA terrorists, then no, I didn't make it up. In 2010 Lord Saville’s inquiry into the events found that Martin McGuinness was “probably” carrying a Thompson sub-machine gun during Bloody Sunday. A Thompson submachinegun was used to kill two security forces personnel 3 days earlier. "The report found that McGuinness, 'at that time the Adjutant of the Derry Brigade or Command of the Provisional IRA had engaged in paramilitary activity during the day'. " No one is saying that Martin McGuinnes wasn’t a soldier... But there is absolutely no evidence of shots fired, that you do know and everybody knows... What was proven was, that everyone murdered that day was unarmed, most shot in the back trying to escape, one shot and stopped from being brought to hospital the arms planted on him, also proven... As one slapper once said, Murder is Murder is Murder... maybe just intern Soldier F now without any trial and let him rot.. problem is there should be more with him.. | |||
"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. Did you just make that bit up just now? Because that is 100% wrong.. and that’s why he’s going to rot in a cell, just a shame Gen. Jackson isn’t in a stinking hole beside him.. If you mean the bit about the shots coming from PIRA terrorists, then no, I didn't make it up. In 2010 Lord Saville’s inquiry into the events found that Martin McGuinness was “probably” carrying a Thompson sub-machine gun during Bloody Sunday. A Thompson submachinegun was used to kill two security forces personnel 3 days earlier. "The report found that McGuinness, 'at that time the Adjutant of the Derry Brigade or Command of the Provisional IRA had engaged in paramilitary activity during the day'. No one is saying that Martin McGuinnes wasn’t a soldier... But there is absolutely no evidence of shots fired, that you do know and everybody knows... What was proven was, that everyone murdered that day was unarmed, most shot in the back trying to escape, one shot and stopped from being brought to hospital the arms planted on him, also proven... As one slapper once said, Murder is Murder is Murder... maybe just intern Soldier F now without any trial and let him rot.. problem is there should be more with him.. " I am saying that McGuinness wasn't a soldier, I'm saying he was a coward, a scumbag and a terrorist, who used the cover of a riot to try and kill British soldiers. | |||
"Did you see it on the news? Chances are, the answer is no, as the "Mainstream Media" (msm) totally ignored it, that's 22,000 bikes, a lot with pillion, plus a whole heap of foot-based supporters, some estimates put the total number of demonstrators at 50,000, bringing parts of London to a standstill.....and NOT ONE SINGLE INCIDENT of disorder, violence, or other trouble. So, why didn't the MSM feature it? " I trust they'll all be out again next week to protest against the anti terrorism charges that YPG fighter Aiden James is currently facing. You know, the guy who went to fight and defeat ISIS? Yeah thought not. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-merseyside-47867871 | |||
"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. Did you just make that bit up just now? Because that is 100% wrong.. and that’s why he’s going to rot in a cell, just a shame Gen. Jackson isn’t in a stinking hole beside him.. If you mean the bit about the shots coming from PIRA terrorists, then no, I didn't make it up. In 2010 Lord Saville’s inquiry into the events found that Martin McGuinness was “probably” carrying a Thompson sub-machine gun during Bloody Sunday. A Thompson submachinegun was used to kill two security forces personnel 3 days earlier. "The report found that McGuinness, 'at that time the Adjutant of the Derry Brigade or Command of the Provisional IRA had engaged in paramilitary activity during the day'. No one is saying that Martin McGuinnes wasn’t a soldier... But there is absolutely no evidence of shots fired, that you do know and everybody knows... What was proven was, that everyone murdered that day was unarmed, most shot in the back trying to escape, one shot and stopped from being brought to hospital the arms planted on him, also proven... As one slapper once said, Murder is Murder is Murder... maybe just intern Soldier F now without any trial and let him rot.. problem is there should be more with him.. I am saying that McGuinness wasn't a soldier, I'm saying he was a coward, a scumbag and a terrorist, who used the cover of a riot to try and kill British soldiers." He was a soldier that spent his life battling against a foreign invasion of uniformed and armed terrorists.. but not on that day. There was a deal in place from everyone, british included that none would be there.. so instead of a fire fight which prob could’ve happened, the parra terrorist saw an open day to kill innocent civilians.. | |||
"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. Did you just make that bit up just now? Because that is 100% wrong.. and that’s why he’s going to rot in a cell, just a shame Gen. Jackson isn’t in a stinking hole beside him.. If you mean the bit about the shots coming from PIRA terrorists, then no, I didn't make it up. In 2010 Lord Saville’s inquiry into the events found that Martin McGuinness was “probably” carrying a Thompson sub-machine gun during Bloody Sunday. A Thompson submachinegun was used to kill two security forces personnel 3 days earlier. "The report found that McGuinness, 'at that time the Adjutant of the Derry Brigade or Command of the Provisional IRA had engaged in paramilitary activity during the day'. No one is saying that Martin McGuinnes wasn’t a soldier... But there is absolutely no evidence of shots fired, that you do know and everybody knows... What was proven was, that everyone murdered that day was unarmed, most shot in the back trying to escape, one shot and stopped from being brought to hospital the arms planted on him, also proven... As one slapper once said, Murder is Murder is Murder... maybe just intern Soldier F now without any trial and let him rot.. problem is there should be more with him.. I am saying that McGuinness wasn't a soldier, I'm saying he was a coward, a scumbag and a terrorist, who used the cover of a riot to try and kill British soldiers. He was a soldier that spent his life battling against a foreign invasion of uniformed and armed terrorists.. but not on that day. There was a deal in place from everyone, british included that none would be there.. so instead of a fire fight which prob could’ve happened, the parra terrorist saw an open day to kill innocent civilians.. " No, he, and others like Gerry Adams, were terrorists. They killed soldiers, police officers, and hundreds of civilians too. | |||
"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. Did you just make that bit up just now? Because that is 100% wrong.. and that’s why he’s going to rot in a cell, just a shame Gen. Jackson isn’t in a stinking hole beside him.. If you mean the bit about the shots coming from PIRA terrorists, then no, I didn't make it up. In 2010 Lord Saville’s inquiry into the events found that Martin McGuinness was “probably” carrying a Thompson sub-machine gun during Bloody Sunday. A Thompson submachinegun was used to kill two security forces personnel 3 days earlier. "The report found that McGuinness, 'at that time the Adjutant of the Derry Brigade or Command of the Provisional IRA had engaged in paramilitary activity during the day'. No one is saying that Martin McGuinnes wasn’t a soldier... But there is absolutely no evidence of shots fired, that you do know and everybody knows... What was proven was, that everyone murdered that day was unarmed, most shot in the back trying to escape, one shot and stopped from being brought to hospital the arms planted on him, also proven... As one slapper once said, Murder is Murder is Murder... maybe just intern Soldier F now without any trial and let him rot.. problem is there should be more with him.. I am saying that McGuinness wasn't a soldier, I'm saying he was a coward, a scumbag and a terrorist, who used the cover of a riot to try and kill British soldiers. He was a soldier that spent his life battling against a foreign invasion of uniformed and armed terrorists.. but not on that day. There was a deal in place from everyone, british included that none would be there.. so instead of a fire fight which prob could’ve happened, the parra terrorist saw an open day to kill innocent civilians.. No, he, and others like Gerry Adams, were terrorists. They killed soldiers, police officers, and hundreds of civilians too." A war with one side trying to defend and one side trying to occupy... Look at it whatever way you want, if you come to another country, armed to try and take it over by murdering their people then that makes you the terrorist.. now run back to google and try and find some more “facts” ... | |||
"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. Did you just make that bit up just now? Because that is 100% wrong.. and that’s why he’s going to rot in a cell, just a shame Gen. Jackson isn’t in a stinking hole beside him.. If you mean the bit about the shots coming from PIRA terrorists, then no, I didn't make it up. In 2010 Lord Saville’s inquiry into the events found that Martin McGuinness was “probably” carrying a Thompson sub-machine gun during Bloody Sunday. A Thompson submachinegun was used to kill two security forces personnel 3 days earlier. "The report found that McGuinness, 'at that time the Adjutant of the Derry Brigade or Command of the Provisional IRA had engaged in paramilitary activity during the day'. No one is saying that Martin McGuinnes wasn’t a soldier... But there is absolutely no evidence of shots fired, that you do know and everybody knows... What was proven was, that everyone murdered that day was unarmed, most shot in the back trying to escape, one shot and stopped from being brought to hospital the arms planted on him, also proven... As one slapper once said, Murder is Murder is Murder... maybe just intern Soldier F now without any trial and let him rot.. problem is there should be more with him.. I am saying that McGuinness wasn't a soldier, I'm saying he was a coward, a scumbag and a terrorist, who used the cover of a riot to try and kill British soldiers. He was a soldier that spent his life battling against a foreign invasion of uniformed and armed terrorists.. but not on that day. There was a deal in place from everyone, british included that none would be there.. so instead of a fire fight which prob could’ve happened, the parra terrorist saw an open day to kill innocent civilians.. No, he, and others like Gerry Adams, were terrorists. They killed soldiers, police officers, and hundreds of civilians too. A war with one side trying to defend and one side trying to occupy... Look at it whatever way you want, if you come to another country, armed to try and take it over by murdering their people then that makes you the terrorist.. now run back to google and try and find some more “facts” ... " The facts I've quoted came from the Saville enquiry, all you have done is post pro-IRA propaganda. | |||
"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. Did you just make that bit up just now? Because that is 100% wrong.. and that’s why he’s going to rot in a cell, just a shame Gen. Jackson isn’t in a stinking hole beside him.. If you mean the bit about the shots coming from PIRA terrorists, then no, I didn't make it up. In 2010 Lord Saville’s inquiry into the events found that Martin McGuinness was “probably” carrying a Thompson sub-machine gun during Bloody Sunday. A Thompson submachinegun was used to kill two security forces personnel 3 days earlier. "The report found that McGuinness, 'at that time the Adjutant of the Derry Brigade or Command of the Provisional IRA had engaged in paramilitary activity during the day'. No one is saying that Martin McGuinnes wasn’t a soldier... But there is absolutely no evidence of shots fired, that you do know and everybody knows... What was proven was, that everyone murdered that day was unarmed, most shot in the back trying to escape, one shot and stopped from being brought to hospital the arms planted on him, also proven... As one slapper once said, Murder is Murder is Murder... maybe just intern Soldier F now without any trial and let him rot.. problem is there should be more with him.. I am saying that McGuinness wasn't a soldier, I'm saying he was a coward, a scumbag and a terrorist, who used the cover of a riot to try and kill British soldiers. He was a soldier that spent his life battling against a foreign invasion of uniformed and armed terrorists.. but not on that day. There was a deal in place from everyone, british included that none would be there.. so instead of a fire fight which prob could’ve happened, the parra terrorist saw an open day to kill innocent civilians.. No, he, and others like Gerry Adams, were terrorists. They killed soldiers, police officers, and hundreds of civilians too. A war with one side trying to defend and one side trying to occupy... Look at it whatever way you want, if you come to another country, armed to try and take it over by murdering their people then that makes you the terrorist.. now run back to google and try and find some more “facts” ... The facts I've quoted came from the Saville enquiry, all you have done is post pro-IRA propaganda." Think you’ll find whatever you posted had the word ‘possible’ in front of it.. and you will also find what I said is also backed in the British Saville inquiry.. | |||
"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. Did you just make that bit up just now? Because that is 100% wrong.. and that’s why he’s going to rot in a cell, just a shame Gen. Jackson isn’t in a stinking hole beside him.. If you mean the bit about the shots coming from PIRA terrorists, then no, I didn't make it up. In 2010 Lord Saville’s inquiry into the events found that Martin McGuinness was “probably” carrying a Thompson sub-machine gun during Bloody Sunday. A Thompson submachinegun was used to kill two security forces personnel 3 days earlier. "The report found that McGuinness, 'at that time the Adjutant of the Derry Brigade or Command of the Provisional IRA had engaged in paramilitary activity during the day'. No one is saying that Martin McGuinnes wasn’t a soldier... But there is absolutely no evidence of shots fired, that you do know and everybody knows... What was proven was, that everyone murdered that day was unarmed, most shot in the back trying to escape, one shot and stopped from being brought to hospital the arms planted on him, also proven... As one slapper once said, Murder is Murder is Murder... maybe just intern Soldier F now without any trial and let him rot.. problem is there should be more with him.. I am saying that McGuinness wasn't a soldier, I'm saying he was a coward, a scumbag and a terrorist, who used the cover of a riot to try and kill British soldiers. He was a soldier that spent his life battling against a foreign invasion of uniformed and armed terrorists.. but not on that day. There was a deal in place from everyone, british included that none would be there.. so instead of a fire fight which prob could’ve happened, the parra terrorist saw an open day to kill innocent civilians.. No, he, and others like Gerry Adams, were terrorists. They killed soldiers, police officers, and hundreds of civilians too. A war with one side trying to defend and one side trying to occupy... Look at it whatever way you want, if you come to another country, armed to try and take it over by murdering their people then that makes you the terrorist.. now run back to google and try and find some more “facts” ... The facts I've quoted came from the Saville enquiry, all you have done is post pro-IRA propaganda. Think you’ll find whatever you posted had the word ‘possible’ in front of it.. and you will also find what I said is also backed in the British Saville inquiry.. " I'm pretty sure the Saville enquiry never said that McGuinness was a soldier fighting an invader, but feel free to quote it if I'm wrong. | |||
"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. Did you just make that bit up just now? Because that is 100% wrong.. and that’s why he’s going to rot in a cell, just a shame Gen. Jackson isn’t in a stinking hole beside him.. If you mean the bit about the shots coming from PIRA terrorists, then no, I didn't make it up. In 2010 Lord Saville’s inquiry into the events found that Martin McGuinness was “probably” carrying a Thompson sub-machine gun during Bloody Sunday. A Thompson submachinegun was used to kill two security forces personnel 3 days earlier. "The report found that McGuinness, 'at that time the Adjutant of the Derry Brigade or Command of the Provisional IRA had engaged in paramilitary activity during the day'. No one is saying that Martin McGuinnes wasn’t a soldier... But there is absolutely no evidence of shots fired, that you do know and everybody knows... What was proven was, that everyone murdered that day was unarmed, most shot in the back trying to escape, one shot and stopped from being brought to hospital the arms planted on him, also proven... As one slapper once said, Murder is Murder is Murder... maybe just intern Soldier F now without any trial and let him rot.. problem is there should be more with him.. I am saying that McGuinness wasn't a soldier, I'm saying he was a coward, a scumbag and a terrorist, who used the cover of a riot to try and kill British soldiers. He was a soldier that spent his life battling against a foreign invasion of uniformed and armed terrorists.. but not on that day. There was a deal in place from everyone, british included that none would be there.. so instead of a fire fight which prob could’ve happened, the parra terrorist saw an open day to kill innocent civilians.. No, he, and others like Gerry Adams, were terrorists. They killed soldiers, police officers, and hundreds of civilians too. A war with one side trying to defend and one side trying to occupy... Look at it whatever way you want, if you come to another country, armed to try and take it over by murdering their people then that makes you the terrorist.. now run back to google and try and find some more “facts” ... The facts I've quoted came from the Saville enquiry, all you have done is post pro-IRA propaganda. Think you’ll find whatever you posted had the word ‘possible’ in front of it.. and you will also find what I said is also backed in the British Saville inquiry.. I'm pretty sure the Saville enquiry never said that McGuinness was a soldier fighting an invader, but feel free to quote it if I'm wrong." At this stage people are reading this saying you should just submit.. I came with better facts, better reasoning... even your own source for “facts” says the soldiers fired at will at unarmed civilians.. now go back into your hole and let us watch “soldier F” get what he deserves.. | |||
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"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. Did you just make that bit up just now? Because that is 100% wrong.. and that’s why he’s going to rot in a cell, just a shame Gen. Jackson isn’t in a stinking hole beside him.. If you mean the bit about the shots coming from PIRA terrorists, then no, I didn't make it up. In 2010 Lord Saville’s inquiry into the events found that Martin McGuinness was “probably” carrying a Thompson sub-machine gun during Bloody Sunday. A Thompson submachinegun was used to kill two security forces personnel 3 days earlier. "The report found that McGuinness, 'at that time the Adjutant of the Derry Brigade or Command of the Provisional IRA had engaged in paramilitary activity during the day'. No one is saying that Martin McGuinnes wasn’t a soldier... But there is absolutely no evidence of shots fired, that you do know and everybody knows... What was proven was, that everyone murdered that day was unarmed, most shot in the back trying to escape, one shot and stopped from being brought to hospital the arms planted on him, also proven... As one slapper once said, Murder is Murder is Murder... maybe just intern Soldier F now without any trial and let him rot.. problem is there should be more with him.. I am saying that McGuinness wasn't a soldier, I'm saying he was a coward, a scumbag and a terrorist, who used the cover of a riot to try and kill British soldiers. He was a soldier that spent his life battling against a foreign invasion of uniformed and armed terrorists.. but not on that day. There was a deal in place from everyone, british included that none would be there.. so instead of a fire fight which prob could’ve happened, the parra terrorist saw an open day to kill innocent civilians.. No, he, and others like Gerry Adams, were terrorists. They killed soldiers, police officers, and hundreds of civilians too." No he was a member of Her Majesty' s Armed Forces who murdered Her Majesty's subjects | |||
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"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. Did you just make that bit up just now? Because that is 100% wrong.. and that’s why he’s going to rot in a cell, just a shame Gen. Jackson isn’t in a stinking hole beside him.. If you mean the bit about the shots coming from PIRA terrorists, then no, I didn't make it up. In 2010 Lord Saville’s inquiry into the events found that Martin McGuinness was “probably” carrying a Thompson sub-machine gun during Bloody Sunday. A Thompson submachinegun was used to kill two security forces personnel 3 days earlier. "The report found that McGuinness, 'at that time the Adjutant of the Derry Brigade or Command of the Provisional IRA had engaged in paramilitary activity during the day'. " None of which was a justification for the indiscriminate firing by the paras as the Saville Report clearly stated | |||
" "The report found that McGuinness, 'at that time the Adjutant of the Derry Brigade or Command of the Provisional IRA had engaged in paramilitary activity during the day'. " But Soldier F isn't in bother for shooting Martin McGuiness | |||
" So, why didn't the MSM feature it? " Subjudice. The soldier deserves a fair trial. | |||
"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians." Was there that day, was very orderly, was speaking to some of them, and it was for support for soldier F, It’s true no British soldier in recent history would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. If we are talking Justice, what about Birmingham. Over 40 years and the real culprits have not been caught. It’s not right. | |||
" It’s true no British soldier in recent history would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. " Civilians shot in the back suffering injuries that killed them? Evidence of 'gun/ammunition residue' on them which could be explained by their jobs or transference from the soldiers who took them to hospital? | |||
" If we are talking Justice, what about Birmingham. Over 40 years and the real culprits have not been caught. It’s not right. " What about the innocent men who were quickly apprehended and charged by a state which was keen to 'identify' the perpetrators? If the police hadn't been so keen to fabricate and coerce confessions then the 'real culprits' might have spent years in prison instead. Incidentally if you think Birmingham was an injustice from 40 years ago which hasn't had a resolution why do you feel Bloody Sunday isn't equally an injustice from 40 years ago? | |||
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"No one is saying that Martin McGuinnes wasn’t a soldier..." He wasn’t a soldier, he was a terrorist. | |||
"None of which was a justification for the indiscriminate firing by the paras as the Saville Report clearly stated" Hardly indiscriminate, the rioting crowd was full of men, women and children of all ages, those shot were men aged 17-59. If it were indiscriminate then how come no females were hit? | |||
"No one is saying that Martin McGuinnes wasn’t a soldier... He wasn’t a soldier, he was a terrorist." And shooting unarmed British citizens in the back isn't a state-sponsored attempt to terrorise a community? | |||
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"No one is saying that Martin McGuinnes wasn’t a soldier... He wasn’t a soldier, he was a terrorist. And shooting unarmed British citizens in the back isn't a state-sponsored attempt to terrorise a community? " Unarmed my arse, how many were shot in the back? Ever been a soldier? Ever been in a riot? Especially in NI, rocks, bullets, coffee jar bombs, petrol bombs etc. | |||
"if they wana prosocute the soilder its only fair they prosocute they scumbags st tony gave free passes to.if they dont wana do that then no one should be charged.one rule for all" Agreed | |||
"if they wana prosocute the soilder its only fair they prosocute they scumbags st tony gave free passes to.if they dont wana do that then no one should be charged.one rule for all" They did prosecute the scumbags Tony Blair gave free passes to (from both sides) and the Good Friday agreement has probably been the most effective initiative that's brought relative peace in northern Ireland despite hundreds of years of fighting. | |||
"coffee jar bombs, petrol bombs etc." Shoot these | |||
" Ever been in a riot? Especially in NI, rocks" If you shoot to kill these you're likely to end up in trouble, and should in my opinion. | |||
"if they wana prosocute the soilder its only fair they prosocute they scumbags st tony gave free passes to.if they dont wana do that then no one should be charged.one rule for all They did prosecute the scumbags Tony Blair gave free passes to (from both sides) and the Good Friday agreement has probably been the most effective initiative that's brought relative peace in northern Ireland despite hundreds of years of fighting." he gave free passes to peeps on the run who hadnt been prosocuted.i dnt care what side they were from.if u gona start charging peeps for stuff that happend during the troubles u charge ALL who have evaded justice or none at all.so thats the price for peace eh killers from both sides get a free pass and who says terrorism dosent pay ffs im sure the peeps who had family murdered by both sides would like to see justice for there reletives | |||
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" he gave free passes to peeps on the run who hadnt been prosocuted.i dnt care what side they were from.if u gona start charging peeps for stuff that happend during the troubles u charge ALL who have evaded justice or none at all.so thats the price for peace eh killers from both sides get a free pass and who says terrorism dosent pay ffs im sure the peeps who had family murdered by both sides would like to see justice for there reletives" There were very special circumstances that brought about the recommendations of the Good Friday agreement and no-one can deny the outcome has led to peace in NI, something I never believed would be possible in my lifetime. As far as I'm aware the misdeeds of soldiers wasn't considered in the agreement and I can imagine if 'free passes' had been granted to them there might never have been an agreement. The fact remains, these were heavily armed, well protected and trained professional soldiers coming up against a civilian rabble. Despite claims the protestors were carrying lethal weapons no soldier was killed that day, yet 13 protestors were. | |||
"The moral of the story, surely, is do whatever it takes to solidify the peace process and avoid a return to the atrocities of the past. "  | |||
"if they wana prosocute the soilder its only fair they prosocute they scumbags st tony gave free passes to.if they dont wana do that then no one should be charged.one rule for all They did prosecute the scumbags Tony Blair gave free passes to (from both sides) and the Good Friday agreement has probably been the most effective initiative that's brought relative peace in northern Ireland despite hundreds of years of fighting. he gave free passes to peeps on the run who hadnt been prosocuted.i dnt care what side they were from.if u gona start charging peeps for stuff that happend during the troubles u charge ALL who have evaded justice or none at all.so thats the price for peace eh killers from both sides get a free pass and who says terrorism dosent pay ffs im sure the peeps who had family murdered by both sides would like to see justice for there reletives" British soldiers already got full free passes to kill republican soldiers.. When you murder innocent kids by deliberately shooting them in the back as the try and run for safety then that’s murder, and also makes the “22,000” bikers look like morally challenged people.. | |||
"No one is saying that Martin McGuinnes wasn’t a soldier... He wasn’t a soldier, he was a terrorist. And shooting unarmed British citizens in the back isn't a state-sponsored attempt to terrorise a community? Unarmed my arse, how many were shot in the back? Ever been a soldier? Ever been in a riot? Especially in NI, rocks, bullets, coffee jar bombs, petrol bombs etc." The enquiry was quite clear that there was no justification for the killings on Bloody Sunday | |||
"No one is saying that Martin McGuinnes wasn’t a soldier... He wasn’t a soldier, he was a terrorist. And shooting unarmed British citizens in the back isn't a state-sponsored attempt to terrorise a community? Unarmed my arse, how many were shot in the back? Ever been a soldier? Ever been in a riot? Especially in NI, rocks, bullets, coffee jar bombs, petrol bombs etc." Unjustified and unjustifiable is how Saville saw it after what was a pretty intensive inquiry into the events of that day.. Your point about the number shot in the back is irrelevant, they were unarmed and the rules of engagement as per the yellow card were trashed.. Yes to all the rest personally but again its irrelevant to the issue.. | |||
"if they wana prosocute the soilder its only fair they prosocute they scumbags st tony gave free passes to.if they dont wana do that then no one should be charged.one rule for all They did prosecute the scumbags Tony Blair gave free passes to (from both sides) and the Good Friday agreement has probably been the most effective initiative that's brought relative peace in northern Ireland despite hundreds of years of fighting. he gave free passes to peeps on the run who hadnt been prosocuted.i dnt care what side they were from.if u gona start charging peeps for stuff that happend during the troubles u charge ALL who have evaded justice or none at all.so thats the price for peace eh killers from both sides get a free pass and who says terrorism dosent pay ffs im sure the peeps who had family murdered by both sides would like to see justice for there reletives British soldiers already got full free passes to kill republican soldiers.. When you murder innocent kids by deliberately shooting them in the back as the try and run for safety then that’s murder, and also makes the “22,000” bikers look like morally challenged people.. " and the fuckers who blew up mothers fathers and children who are still free because of blair there free to go about there lives? cunts on both sides are no better than yhe cunts who have just been wiped out in syria | |||
"No one is saying that Martin McGuinnes wasn’t a soldier... He wasn’t a soldier, he was a terrorist. And shooting unarmed British citizens in the back isn't a state-sponsored attempt to terrorise a community? Unarmed my arse, how many were shot in the back? Ever been a soldier? Ever been in a riot? Especially in NI, rocks, bullets, coffee jar bombs, petrol bombs etc. The enquiry was quite clear that there was no justification for the killings on Bloody Sunday" The enquiry was a republican appeasement whitewash. People on the march who weren’t interviewed by the enquiry have said in interviews that they saw weapons and nail bombs being carried. | |||
" The enquiry was a republican appeasement whitewash. People on the march who weren’t interviewed by the enquiry have said in interviews that they saw weapons and nail bombs being carried." ..yet no soldiers were killed, no explosions recorded. | |||
"No one is saying that Martin McGuinnes wasn’t a soldier... He wasn’t a soldier, he was a terrorist. And shooting unarmed British citizens in the back isn't a state-sponsored attempt to terrorise a community? Unarmed my arse, how many were shot in the back? Ever been a soldier? Ever been in a riot? Especially in NI, rocks, bullets, coffee jar bombs, petrol bombs etc. The enquiry was quite clear that there was no justification for the killings on Bloody Sunday The enquiry was a republican appeasement whitewash. People on the march who weren’t interviewed by the enquiry have said in interviews that they saw weapons and nail bombs being carried." Oh of course that did.. | |||
"if they wana prosocute the soilder its only fair they prosocute they scumbags st tony gave free passes to.if they dont wana do that then no one should be charged.one rule for all Agreed" Totally agree | |||
"Your point about the number shot in the back is irrelevant, they were unarmed and the rules of engagement as per the yellow card were trashed.. Yes to all the rest personally but again its irrelevant to the issue.. " The number of people claimed by the poster to have been shot in the back is relevant if you are going to use it in a discussion. | |||
"Your point about the number shot in the back is irrelevant, they were unarmed and the rules of engagement as per the yellow card were trashed.. Yes to all the rest personally but again its irrelevant to the issue.. The number of people claimed by the poster to have been shot in the back is relevant if you are going to use it in a discussion." Merely just saying how barbaric it was.. | |||
"Your point about the number shot in the back is irrelevant, they were unarmed and the rules of engagement as per the yellow card were trashed.. Yes to all the rest personally but again its irrelevant to the issue.. The number of people claimed by the poster to have been shot in the back is relevant if you are going to use it in a discussion." You unlawfully use lethal force with an SLR it matters not how the person is shot, the smoke screen deflection of such details does not detract from the basic premise that the use of lethal force was outside of the rules of engagement and not lawfully justified.. | |||
" People on the march who weren’t interviewed by the enquiry have said in interviews that they saw weapons and nail bombs being carried." That's a criminal offence, to be in possession of stuff like that. Apply the law. If you resort to summary execution because you suspect people among a crowd have weapons . . . well, that's not the rule of law. That simply is murder. State-sponsored murder. British soldiers exist to defend British citizens, not to execute them. | |||
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" People on the march who weren’t interviewed by the enquiry have said in interviews that they saw weapons and nail bombs being carried. That's a criminal offence, to be in possession of stuff like that. Apply the law. If you resort to summary execution because you suspect people among a crowd have weapons . . . well, that's not the rule of law. That simply is murder. State-sponsored murder. British soldiers exist to defend British citizens, not to execute them. " I think what they are trying to say is that it was ok for British “soldiers” to murder people that recognised themselves as Irish.. | |||
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""No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians." Are you sure that's never happened ever?? " Ever heard of the Amritsar massacre? (India) Ever heard of the Boar war? (South Aftica) Ever heard of the Black and Tan war? (Ireland) Ever heard of the Peterloo Massacre? (Manchester) Ever heard of the 'Collective Punishment' of the Mau Mau Rebelion? Or the Chuka Massacre? How about the Hola massacre (that was in a British army run concetration camp)? (Kenya) Now what is that you are saying about 'no British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians'? Would you like to retract your claim or shall I give a few examples of what British soldiers will do? Finally before you answer you may want to read a little about Mad Mitch and his order to the Argyle and Sutherlander's to 'save a round every time they were on the range' and 'put 1 up the spout and carry a pull through'... | |||
"That's a criminal offence, to be in possession of stuff like that. Apply the law. If you resort to summary execution because you suspect people among a crowd have weapons . . . well, that's not the rule of law. That simply is murder. " Firstly, you obviously don’t understand the rules of engagement, British soldiers operate under a set of rules about opening fire if they think that there is a threat to life. They obviously thought so at the time, unfortunately people died. Secondly, only 1 Soldier is being prosecuted for the deaths of 2 people, no one is being prosecuted for the other deaths. | |||
" The enquiry was a republican appeasement whitewash. People on the march who weren’t interviewed by the enquiry have said in interviews that they saw weapons and nail bombs being carried. ..yet no soldiers were killed, no explosions recorded." If explosives are carried but not thrown there wouldn’t be any explosions. But the threat to life would still exist. | |||
"Your point about the number shot in the back is irrelevant, they were unarmed and the rules of engagement as per the yellow card were trashed.. " As you know, the ‘yellow card’ carried by soldiers on that day was first issued in 1971, it was slightly different to the revisited version issued in November 1972 in that it left opening fire in certain situations open to interpretation by the soldier. But to be honest, only those on both sides at the March turned riot on that day know exactly what happened, Only the soldiers who opened fire can say why they did so. We can speculate and accuse as much as we like, but we weren’t there, don’t know the full and true facts. | |||
"That's a criminal offence, to be in possession of stuff like that. Apply the law. If you resort to summary execution because you suspect people among a crowd have weapons . . . well, that's not the rule of law. That simply is murder. Firstly, you obviously don’t understand the rules of engagement, British soldiers operate under a set of rules about opening fire if they think that there is a threat to life. They obviously thought so at the time, unfortunately people died. Secondly, only 1 Soldier is being prosecuted for the deaths of 2 people, no one is being prosecuted for the other deaths." A threat to life from unarmed civilians ??? | |||
" I think what they are trying to say is that it was ok for British “soldiers” to murder people that recognised themselves as Irish.. " Their nationality wasn't the issue. It was religion. Catholics on a civil rights march, demanding an end to their treatment as second class citizens in Northern Ireland. Faced by the military of a state with a long and bloody history of sectarian brutality towards non-protestant minorities. The Establishment did not see them as "one of us". That culture permeated. | |||
"That's a criminal offence, to be in possession of stuff like that. Apply the law. If you resort to summary execution because you suspect people among a crowd have weapons . . . well, that's not the rule of law. That simply is murder. Firstly, you obviously don’t understand the rules of engagement, British soldiers operate under a set of rules about opening fire if they think that there is a threat to life. They obviously thought so at the time, unfortunately people died. Secondly, only 1 Soldier is being prosecuted for the deaths of 2 people, no one is being prosecuted for the other deaths." British soldiers firing indiscriminately into a crowd of British citizens really isn't defensible. | |||
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"That's a criminal offence, to be in possession of stuff like that. Apply the law. If you resort to summary execution because you suspect people among a crowd have weapons . . . well, that's not the rule of law. That simply is murder. Firstly, you obviously don’t understand the rules of engagement, British soldiers operate under a set of rules about opening fire if they think that there is a threat to life. They obviously thought so at the time, unfortunately people died. Secondly, only 1 Soldier is being prosecuted for the deaths of 2 people, no one is being prosecuted for the other deaths. A threat to life from unarmed civilians ??? " As with many riots in Northern Ireland during the Troubles, some of the rioters would have been armed with a number of lethal, and non-lethal, weapons, including crossbows, darts, rocks, petrol bombs, nail bombs, and guns. | |||
"That's a criminal offence, to be in possession of stuff like that. Apply the law. If you resort to summary execution because you suspect people among a crowd have weapons . . . well, that's not the rule of law. That simply is murder. Firstly, you obviously don’t understand the rules of engagement, British soldiers operate under a set of rules about opening fire if they think that there is a threat to life. They obviously thought so at the time, unfortunately people died. Secondly, only 1 Soldier is being prosecuted for the deaths of 2 people, no one is being prosecuted for the other deaths. British soldiers firing indiscriminately into a crowd of British citizens really isn't defensible. " You seem to be be really well informed about the troubles so can you tell me how many children British soldiers murdered in the troubles and how many children the IRA murdered... and what were the rules of engagement for the poor children that died never even got the chance to wave a white flag.... | |||
"That's a criminal offence, to be in possession of stuff like that. Apply the law. If you resort to summary execution because you suspect people among a crowd have weapons . . . well, that's not the rule of law. That simply is murder. Firstly, you obviously don’t understand the rules of engagement, British soldiers operate under a set of rules about opening fire if they think that there is a threat to life. They obviously thought so at the time, unfortunately people died. Secondly, only 1 Soldier is being prosecuted for the deaths of 2 people, no one is being prosecuted for the other deaths. British soldiers firing indiscriminately into a crowd of British citizens really isn't defensible. You seem to be be really well informed about the troubles so can you tell me how many children British soldiers murdered in the troubles and how many children the IRA murdered... and what were the rules of engagement for the poor children that died never even got the chance to wave a white flag.... " 141 from british/loyalists groups 90 from Irish republican groups | |||
"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. Did you just make that bit up just now? Because that is 100% wrong.. and that’s why he’s going to rot in a cell, just a shame Gen. Jackson isn’t in a stinking hole beside him.. If you mean the bit about the shots coming from PIRA terrorists, then no, I didn't make it up. In 2010 Lord Saville’s inquiry into the events found that Martin McGuinness was “probably” carrying a Thompson sub-machine gun during Bloody Sunday. A Thompson submachinegun was used to kill two security forces personnel 3 days earlier. "The report found that McGuinness, 'at that time the Adjutant of the Derry Brigade or Command of the Provisional IRA had engaged in paramilitary activity during the day'. " I suggest you watch the "Ballymurphy massacre documentary" Where paras came under fire while killing civilians. Reports said solder group A were being shot at from area 1 While Soldier group B were being shot at from area 2 Soldier group A were in area 2 Soldier group B were in area 1 Conclusion they were shooting at each other. This then allowed them to murder 11 Citizens of the united kingdom in October 1971 claiming they were under attack by " terrorists" which has been found to be untrue. Then Bloody Sunday 1972 Common Denominator ? 1st battalion parachute regiment. | |||
" If explosives are carried but not thrown there wouldn’t be any explosions. But the threat to life would still exist." ...even if we accept that's true, a soldier opening fire indiscriminately under such circumstances has broken the rules of engagement. | |||
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"Lots of experts on here quick to pass judgement who have probably never been in the armed forces or served in a conflict zone so you can’t honestly say you wouldn’t do the same in a similar situation But I suppose because you have read it in the Guardian or the Observer its ok to crucify someone for doing his job Just surprised he’s not been called a brexiteer yet" | |||
"Lots of experts on here quick to pass judgement who have probably never been in the armed forces or served in a conflict zone so you can’t honestly say you wouldn’t do the same in a similar situation But I suppose because you have read it in the Guardian or the Observer its ok to crucify someone for doing his job Just surprised he’s not been called a brexiteer yet" War zone? This was a civil rights march through a British town. Try looking at this through the eyes of British citizen. Citizens have a right to protest. Soldiers have no right to shoot them dead. | |||
"Lots of experts on here quick to pass judgement who have probably never been in the armed forces or served in a conflict zone so you can’t honestly say you wouldn’t do the same in a similar situation But I suppose because you have read it in the Guardian or the Observer its ok to crucify someone for doing his job Just surprised he’s not been called a brexiteer yet War zone? This was a civil rights march through a British town. Try looking at this through the eyes of British citizen. Citizens have a right to protest. Soldiers have no right to shoot them dead. " Try looking at it through the eyes of a British Soldier serving in Ireland at the time and afterwards who hasn’t a fking clue what’s he’s going to face when he steps out of those camp gates on patrol and faces kids aged from 3 yrs old throwing bricks and petrol bombs at him and women tipping buckets of piss over you when your walking down the street And then you’ve got to contend with never knowing if your in the crosshairs of a fucking Irish terrorist gun sight who’s waiting to take a pot shot at you fucking cowards that they were hiding behind civilians so don’t tell me it wasn’t a war zone because it fucking was and ask any soldier that served there And maybe if we hadn’t had the yellow cards we could of killed a few more of the fucking ira terrorists when we had the chance. | |||
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"Lots of experts on here quick to pass judgement who have probably never been in the armed forces or served in a conflict zone so you can’t honestly say you wouldn’t do the same in a similar situation But I suppose because you have read it in the Guardian or the Observer its ok to crucify someone for doing his job Just surprised he’s not been called a brexiteer yet" Shooting innocent protestors wasn't in their job descriptions | |||
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"Lots of experts on here quick to pass judgement who have probably never been in the armed forces or served in a conflict zone so you can’t honestly say you wouldn’t do the same in a similar situation But I suppose because you have read it in the Guardian or the Observer its ok to crucify someone for doing his job Just surprised he’s not been called a brexiteer yet War zone? This was a civil rights march through a British town. Try looking at this through the eyes of British citizen. Citizens have a right to protest. Soldiers have no right to shoot them dead. Try looking at it through the eyes of a British Soldier serving in Ireland at the time and afterwards who hasn’t a fking clue what’s he’s going to face when he steps out of those camp gates on patrol and faces kids aged from 3 yrs old throwing bricks and petrol bombs at him and women tipping buckets of piss over you when your walking down the street And then you’ve got to contend with never knowing if your in the crosshairs of a fucking Irish terrorist gun sight who’s waiting to take a pot shot at you fucking cowards that they were hiding behind civilians so don’t tell me it wasn’t a war zone because it fucking was and ask any soldier that served there And maybe if we hadn’t had the yellow cards we could of killed a few more of the fucking ira terrorists when we had the chance. " You dressed like soldiers you can expect to be shot at !! That doesn't give you the right to shoot unarmed civilians just because you were scared , I hope he is looking over his shoulder reliving the fear he experienced in Ireland every day he lives and with a bit of luck he will never rest | |||
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"Lots of experts on here quick to pass judgement who have probably never been in the armed forces or served in a conflict zone so you can’t honestly say you wouldn’t do the same in a similar situation But I suppose because you have read it in the Guardian or the Observer its ok to crucify someone for doing his job Just surprised he’s not been called a brexiteer yet War zone? This was a civil rights march through a British town. Try looking at this through the eyes of British citizen. Citizens have a right to protest. Soldiers have no right to shoot them dead. Try looking at it through the eyes of a British Soldier serving in Ireland at the time and afterwards who hasn’t a fking clue what’s he’s going to face when he steps out of those camp gates on patrol and faces kids aged from 3 yrs old throwing bricks and petrol bombs at him and women tipping buckets of piss over you when your walking down the street And then you’ve got to contend with never knowing if your in the crosshairs of a fucking Irish terrorist gun sight who’s waiting to take a pot shot at you fucking cowards that they were hiding behind civilians so don’t tell me it wasn’t a war zone because it fucking was and ask any soldier that served there And maybe if we hadn’t had the yellow cards we could of killed a few more of the fucking ira terrorists when we had the chance. You dressed like soldiers you can expect to be shot at !! That doesn't give you the right to shoot unarmed civilians just because you were scared , I hope he is looking over his shoulder reliving the fear he experienced in Ireland every day he lives and with a bit of luck he will never rest " Try looking at it from the eyes of people who identify as being Irish. Abused for 60 years by the likes of the Orange order & other groups loyal to the union. Burned out of there houses while protestant families were moved in & houses rebuilt decorated days after. Then seeing finally an armed group sent into protect them as the Police werent do fuck all , only to have the army turn a blind eye to continued abuse . What do you think people are going to do , carry on letting the abuse happen ? | |||
"So many people have such strong opinions of how that day went and why and they weren't even born never mind actually there is quite amazing really. " You are surprised that Irish people have strong views about the events of Bloody Sunday?  | |||
"So many people have such strong opinions of how that day went and why and they weren't even born never mind actually there is quite amazing really. " Which is why the allegations will be interogated and reviewed impartially in a court of law. | |||
"Lots of experts on here quick to pass judgement who have probably never been in the armed forces or served in a conflict zone so you can’t honestly say you wouldn’t do the same in a similar situation " Me? I'd be shit scared..but I wouldn't expect a pat on the back for killing civilians, it's still shameful behaviour. | |||
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"lets hope all the fuckers from both sides who tony gave free passes to have them revoked and they get charged aswell." Thousands from one side has already spent half their lives in prison, whether it be guilty or innocent after been interned without any trial in what can only be described as concentration camps.. so the uniformed side has got away scot free......... till now | |||
"So many people have such strong opinions of how that day went and why and they weren't even born never mind actually there is quite amazing really. Which is why the allegations will be interogated and reviewed impartially in a court of law." Indeed that's been the most sensible answer yet
Next step is to reopen all murder files from the Troubles and round up all early released prisoners to serve out the rest of their sentences if we're to now prosecute Army soldiers.
I thought the GFA was meant to draw a line under the whole sorry mess, not end up reopening prosecutions again but if that's the case then everything needs to be gone through again.
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"lets hope all the fuckers from both sides who tony gave free passes to have them revoked and they get charged aswell." | |||
"lets hope all the fuckers from both sides who tony gave free passes to have them revoked and they get charged aswell. Thousands from one side has already spent half their lives in prison, whether it be guilty or innocent after been interned without any trial in what can only be described as concentration camps.. so the uniformed side has got away scot free......... till now" and the ones who blew innocents up and never served a day????? | |||
"lets hope all the fuckers from both sides who tony gave free passes to have them revoked and they get charged aswell. Thousands from one side has already spent half their lives in prison, whether it be guilty or innocent after been interned without any trial in what can only be described as concentration camps.. so the uniformed side has got away scot free......... till now and the ones who blew innocents up and never served a day?????" The British/loyalist forces?? That’s coming, bit delayed but better late than never.. May there be a long list of murdering soldiers* face justice and spend their last few years in their very own concentration camp, it’s happening whether ye jump on yer little toy motybikes and parade around like numbskulls or not... | |||
"That's a criminal offence, to be in possession of stuff like that. Apply the law. If you resort to summary execution because you suspect people among a crowd have weapons . . . well, that's not the rule of law. That simply is murder. Firstly, you obviously don’t understand the rules of engagement, British soldiers operate under a set of rules about opening fire if they think that there is a threat to life. They obviously thought so at the time, unfortunately people died. Secondly, only 1 Soldier is being prosecuted for the deaths of 2 people, no one is being prosecuted for the other deaths. British soldiers firing indiscriminately into a crowd of British citizens really isn't defensible. You seem to be be really well informed about the troubles so can you tell me how many children British soldiers murdered in the troubles and how many children the IRA murdered... and what were the rules of engagement for the poor children that died never even got the chance to wave a white flag.... 141 from british/loyalists groups 90 from Irish republican groups " I think your figures are off. Of the 257 children (under 18) killed in the "Troubles", a guy called Eamon O'Kelley, who is a bit of an Irish history nut, has "roughly" calculated that about 15 were killed by the British Army. Others were killed by the RUC, or Loyalist Paramilitaries, most were killed by the IRA, or other Catholic terrorists. He also notes that, in breach of the Geneva Convention, and this is something not denied by the IRA, they recruited "child" soldiers, some as young as 12, one young boy of 14 was a trained sniper. Some other figures, lest we forget who did most of the killings... Catholic terrorists... 1886 killed. Loyalist terrorists... 896 killed. Total killed by the security forces in NI during the troubles were 355. One death is one too many. | |||
"Try looking at it through the eyes of a British Soldier serving in Ireland at the time and afterwards who hasn’t a fking clue what’s he’s going to face when he steps out of those camp gates on patrol and faces kids aged from 3 yrs old throwing bricks and petrol bombs at him and women tipping buckets of piss over you when your walking down the street And then you’ve got to contend with never knowing if your in the crosshairs of a fucking Irish terrorist gun sight who’s waiting to take a pot shot at you fucking cowards that they were hiding behind civilians so don’t tell me it wasn’t a war zone because it fucking was and ask any soldier that served there And maybe if we hadn’t had the yellow cards we could of killed a few more of the fucking ira terrorists when we had the chance. " Question 1: When you carried the PBR gun and fired it in anger did you aim at the crowd you were firing into, at the ground 10 ft before them, 2/3 of the distance between you and them, half the distance between you and them or straight into them? Question 2: When you left Pontefract to join up, do your basic and join your Regiment did you cross any seas in the process? Question 3: Before posting to NI did you do the standard NI training course, and did it include riot training with real bricks and petrol bombs being thrown at you by some bastards from another regiment who were looking to kill you to prove what pussies you were and how hard they were? Final and most important question: Did you cross the Irish Sea to the island of Ireland when you went to serve your tour in NI? Regardless of all the other questions if the answer to the last question you were the foreign soldier with a gun in Ireland suppressing the native population on the orders of your government, and you may want to give a little thought to that before calling those who are resisting you terrorists. Remember the Germans also called any who resisted their occupation terrorists and didn't end well for them, did it. One other point (from someone who did multiple 4 mth tours of NI (Op Grenada) 78, 79/80, 80, 82 (6 weeks only due to being redeployed to Falklands)), there were two kinds of troops posted to NI, those who wanted to 'get some 'Taig' (the ones who smuggled buckfuck ammo off the range and over the water so they could go on patrol with 1 up the spout, a pull through and some gogaz to clan the iodine off the breach and barrel when they fired at some 'target') and those who wanted a quiet tour with no drama. It was my experience that if the first lot were allowed off the leach or you had to patrol with the UDR or RUC then all hell would break out at some time because for the most part the troubles were caused by fucking idiots who wanted to prove they were real men to their mates by pushing women and children around and kicking the shit out of them if they did not take it. From your post I think I know what sort of soldier you were. | |||
"That's a criminal offence, to be in possession of stuff like that. Apply the law. If you resort to summary execution because you suspect people among a crowd have weapons . . . well, that's not the rule of law. That simply is murder. Firstly, you obviously don’t understand the rules of engagement, British soldiers operate under a set of rules about opening fire if they think that there is a threat to life. They obviously thought so at the time, unfortunately people died. Secondly, only 1 Soldier is being prosecuted for the deaths of 2 people, no one is being prosecuted for the other deaths. British soldiers firing indiscriminately into a crowd of British citizens really isn't defensible. You seem to be be really well informed about the troubles so can you tell me how many children British soldiers murdered in the troubles and how many children the IRA murdered... and what were the rules of engagement for the poor children that died never even got the chance to wave a white flag.... 141 from british/loyalists groups 90 from Irish republican groups I think your figures are off. Of the 257 children (under 18) killed in the "Troubles", a guy called Eamon O'Kelley, who is a bit of an Irish history nut, has "roughly" calculated that about 15 were killed by the British Army. Others were killed by the RUC, or Loyalist Paramilitaries, most were killed by the IRA, or other Catholic terrorists. He also notes that, in breach of the Geneva Convention, and this is something not denied by the IRA, they recruited "child" soldiers, some as young as 12, one young boy of 14 was a trained sniper. Some other figures, lest we forget who did most of the killings... Catholic terrorists... 1886 killed. Loyalist terrorists... 896 killed. Total killed by the security forces in NI during the troubles were 355. One death is one too many." I answered correctly the question you asked.. and those numbers are slightly skewed as the British security forces often moonlighted as loyalists and the also colluded together, so basically they were all one, you also may go recheck that number of 15, there was 6 or 7 on Bloody Sunday alone so that’s way off.. And yes to answer your original question, the British forces killed more children.. I agree, one death of a child is way too many and disgraceful from both sides.. | |||
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"Try looking at it through the eyes of a British Soldier serving in Ireland at the time and afterwards who hasn’t a fking clue what’s he’s going to face when he steps out of those camp gates on patrol and faces kids aged from 3 yrs old throwing bricks and petrol bombs at him and women tipping buckets of piss over you when your walking down the street And then you’ve got to contend with never knowing if your in the crosshairs of a fucking Irish terrorist gun sight who’s waiting to take a pot shot at you fucking cowards that they were hiding behind civilians so don’t tell me it wasn’t a war zone because it fucking was and ask any soldier that served there And maybe if we hadn’t had the yellow cards we could of killed a few more of the fucking ira terrorists when we had the chance. Question 1: When you carried the PBR gun and fired it in anger did you aim at the crowd you were firing into, at the ground 10 ft before them, 2/3 of the distance between you and them, half the distance between you and them or straight into them? Question 2: When you left Pontefract to join up, do your basic and join your Regiment did you cross any seas in the process? Question 3: Before posting to NI did you do the standard NI training course, and did it include riot training with real bricks and petrol bombs being thrown at you by some bastards from another regiment who were looking to kill you to prove what pussies you were and how hard they were? Final and most important question: Did you cross the Irish Sea to the island of Ireland when you went to serve your tour in NI? Regardless of all the other questions if the answer to the last question you were the foreign soldier with a gun in Ireland suppressing the native population on the orders of your government, and you may want to give a little thought to that before calling those who are resisting you terrorists. Remember the Germans also called any who resisted their occupation terrorists and didn't end well for them, did it. One other point (from someone who did multiple 4 mth tours of NI (Op Grenada) 78, 79/80, 80, 82 (6 weeks only due to being redeployed to Falklands)), there were two kinds of troops posted to NI, those who wanted to 'get some 'Taig' (the ones who smuggled buckfuck ammo off the range and over the water so they could go on patrol with 1 up the spout, a pull through and some gogaz to clan the iodine off the breach and barrel when they fired at some 'target') and those who wanted a quiet tour with no drama. It was my experience that if the first lot were allowed off the leach or you had to patrol with the UDR or RUC then all hell would break out at some time because for the most part the troubles were caused by fucking idiots who wanted to prove they were real men to their mates by pushing women and children around and kicking the shit out of them if they did not take it. From your post I think I know what sort of soldier you were. " Wow some statement from a former soldier | |||
"Wow some statement from a former soldier " Always recognise and never believe your own propaganda, along with see and say things as they really are, are very good rules to live by. After a lifetime of trying to live by them I think I am getting the hang of it. What I say seems to trigger a lot of people. I am sure the reason is I cut too close to the bone for some (including myself) at times. | |||
"lets hope all the fuckers from both sides who tony gave free passes to have them revoked and they get charged aswell. Thousands from one side has already spent half their lives in prison, whether it be guilty or innocent after been interned without any trial in what can only be described as concentration camps.. so the uniformed side has got away scot free......... till now and the ones who blew innocents up and never served a day????? The British/loyalist forces?? That’s coming, bit delayed but better late than never.. May there be a long list of murdering soldiers* face justice and spend their last few years in their very own concentration camp, it’s happening whether ye jump on yer little toy motybikes and parade around like numbskulls or not... " i was talking about the loyalists and republicans that the last labour goverment gave free passes to.and i dont have a toy motorbike.  | |||
"Did you see it on the news? Chances are, the answer is no, as the "Mainstream Media" (msm) totally ignored it, that's 22,000 bikes, a lot with pillion, plus a whole heap of foot-based supporters, some estimates put the total number of demonstrators at 50,000, bringing parts of London to a standstill.....and NOT ONE SINGLE INCIDENT of disorder, violence, or other trouble. So, why didn't the MSM feature it? " Yes, amazing how our news is edited. | |||
"That's a criminal offence, to be in possession of stuff like that. Apply the law. If you resort to summary execution because you suspect people among a crowd have weapons . . . well, that's not the rule of law. That simply is murder. Firstly, you obviously don’t understand the rules of engagement, British soldiers operate under a set of rules about opening fire if they think that there is a threat to life. They obviously thought so at the time, unfortunately people died. Secondly, only 1 Soldier is being prosecuted for the deaths of 2 people, no one is being prosecuted for the other deaths. British soldiers firing indiscriminately into a crowd of British citizens really isn't defensible. You seem to be be really well informed about the troubles so can you tell me how many children British soldiers murdered in the troubles and how many children the IRA murdered... and what were the rules of engagement for the poor children that died never even got the chance to wave a white flag.... 141 from british/loyalists groups 90 from Irish republican groups I think your figures are off. Of the 257 children (under 18) killed in the "Troubles", a guy called Eamon O'Kelley, who is a bit of an Irish history nut, has "roughly" calculated that about 15 were killed by the British Army. Others were killed by the RUC, or Loyalist Paramilitaries, most were killed by the IRA, or other Catholic terrorists. He also notes that, in breach of the Geneva Convention, and this is something not denied by the IRA, they recruited "child" soldiers, some as young as 12, one young boy of 14 was a trained sniper. Some other figures, lest we forget who did most of the killings... Catholic terrorists... 1886 killed. Loyalist terrorists... 896 killed. Total killed by the security forces in NI during the troubles were 355. One death is one too many. I answered correctly the question you asked.. and those numbers are slightly skewed as the British security forces often moonlighted as loyalists and the also colluded together, so basically they were all one, you also may go recheck that number of 15, there was 6 or 7 on Bloody Sunday alone so that’s way off.. And yes to answer your original question, the British forces killed more children.. I agree, one death of a child is way too many and disgraceful from both sides.. " I didn't ask a question about who killed the most kids, but your answer is wrong, the IRA or derivatives of, killed more children than any other group during the troubles. | |||
"That's a criminal offence, to be in possession of stuff like that. Apply the law. If you resort to summary execution because you suspect people among a crowd have weapons . . . well, that's not the rule of law. That simply is murder. Firstly, you obviously don’t understand the rules of engagement, British soldiers operate under a set of rules about opening fire if they think that there is a threat to life. They obviously thought so at the time, unfortunately people died. Secondly, only 1 Soldier is being prosecuted for the deaths of 2 people, no one is being prosecuted for the other deaths. British soldiers firing indiscriminately into a crowd of British citizens really isn't defensible. You seem to be be really well informed about the troubles so can you tell me how many children British soldiers murdered in the troubles and how many children the IRA murdered... and what were the rules of engagement for the poor children that died never even got the chance to wave a white flag.... 141 from british/loyalists groups 90 from Irish republican groups I think your figures are off. Of the 257 children (under 18) killed in the "Troubles", a guy called Eamon O'Kelley, who is a bit of an Irish history nut, has "roughly" calculated that about 15 were killed by the British Army. Others were killed by the RUC, or Loyalist Paramilitaries, most were killed by the IRA, or other Catholic terrorists. He also notes that, in breach of the Geneva Convention, and this is something not denied by the IRA, they recruited "child" soldiers, some as young as 12, one young boy of 14 was a trained sniper. Some other figures, lest we forget who did most of the killings... Catholic terrorists... 1886 killed. Loyalist terrorists... 896 killed. Total killed by the security forces in NI during the troubles were 355. One death is one too many. I answered correctly the question you asked.. and those numbers are slightly skewed as the British security forces often moonlighted as loyalists and the also colluded together, so basically they were all one, you also may go recheck that number of 15, there was 6 or 7 on Bloody Sunday alone so that’s way off.. And yes to answer your original question, the British forces killed more children.. I agree, one death of a child is way too many and disgraceful from both sides.. I didn't ask a question about who killed the most kids, but your answer is wrong, the IRA or derivatives of, killed more children than any other group during the troubles." I know, someone else asked for the information.. | |||
"So many people have such strong opinions of how that day went and why and they weren't even born never mind actually there is quite amazing really. Which is why the allegations will be interogated and reviewed impartially in a court of law." If there had been proper Courts of Law in Northeen Ireland from the Early 70s , then 90% of the Nationalist community would never have been put in jail. Diplock courts weee very very different . Interrogation in Crumlin road were beyond barbaric. Furthermore If torture is used to bring about so called confessions of guilt , then charges can not possibly stand as lawful. | |||
"lets hope all the fuckers from both sides who tony gave free passes to have them revoked and they get charged aswell. Thousands from one side has already spent half their lives in prison, whether it be guilty or innocent after been interned without any trial in what can only be described as concentration camps.. so the uniformed side has got away scot free......... till now and the ones who blew innocents up and never served a day????? The British/loyalist forces?? That’s coming, bit delayed but better late than never.. May there be a long list of murdering soldiers* face justice and spend their last few years in their very own concentration camp, it’s happening whether ye jump on yer little toy motybikes and parade around like numbskulls or not... i was talking about the loyalists and republicans that the last labour goverment gave free passes to.and i dont have a toy motorbike. "You really have no idea what’s going on around you or what this thread is even about.. You’ve just mouthed off like a thug with no common sense or information since it started like a Johnny Adair wanna be.. Run along now young laaad and come back when the penny finally drops.. | |||
"lets hope all the fuckers from both sides who tony gave free passes to have them revoked and they get charged aswell. Thousands from one side has already spent half their lives in prison, whether it be guilty or innocent after been interned without any trial in what can only be described as concentration camps.. so the uniformed side has got away scot free......... till now and the ones who blew innocents up and never served a day????? The British/loyalist forces?? That’s coming, bit delayed but better late than never.. May there be a long list of murdering soldiers* face justice and spend their last few years in their very own concentration camp, it’s happening whether ye jump on yer little toy motybikes and parade around like numbskulls or not... i was talking about the loyalists and republicans that the last labour goverment gave free passes to.and i dont have a toy motorbike.
You really have no idea what’s going on around you or what this thread is even about.. You’ve just mouthed off like a thug with no common sense or information since it started like a Johnny Adair wanna be.. Run along now young laaad and come back when the penny finally drops..
"Seriously? One date for you sunshine, see how this makes you feel about your support of terrorists. 15 Aug 1998 29* Civilians killed by car bomb in the centre of a crowd in Market Street, Omagh. 2 babies and 9 children among the dead. 2 of the dead were Spanish tourists. * total would be 31 if you include the two unborn babies also killed. 31 lives blown away, 2 before they had even had a chance to draw breath, innocent of everything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. | |||
"Interrogation in Crumlin road were beyond barbaric." Ah yes, I wonder how long any here would manage to control their bladder and bowels if exposed to SD... Want to try? Make a recording of white noise and set it up on a loop, then make a 'black hood' (no light must penetrate it), get yourself a pair of extremely thick gloves (you should not be able to feel anything through them). Then find yourself a nice cold cellar, now stand with your arms outstretched, palms against the walls and step backwards till your body is at an angle between 50 and 60 degrees (stay on flat feet) have the hood put over your head and the white noise fed to you through headphones at high volume... Have someone throw buckets of freezing cold water (no ice in it mind) over every now and then and see how long it takes until you lose track of time and every bodily function... I lasted less than 6 hours, and I knew it was only resistance training and once finished it would be over for me. The poor sods you talk about knew it would continue till the interrogators got the answers they wanted. Result: UK found guilty of government sponsored torture after the ROI pressed charges on behalf of tortured Irish. | |||
"lets hope all the fuckers from both sides who tony gave free passes to have them revoked and they get charged aswell. Thousands from one side has already spent half their lives in prison, whether it be guilty or innocent after been interned without any trial in what can only be described as concentration camps.. so the uniformed side has got away scot free......... till now and the ones who blew innocents up and never served a day????? The British/loyalist forces?? That’s coming, bit delayed but better late than never.. May there be a long list of murdering soldiers* face justice and spend their last few years in their very own concentration camp, it’s happening whether ye jump on yer little toy motybikes and parade around like numbskulls or not... i was talking about the loyalists and republicans that the last labour goverment gave free passes to.and i dont have a toy motorbike.
You really have no idea what’s going on around you or what this thread is even about.. You’ve just mouthed off like a thug with no common sense or information since it started like a Johnny Adair wanna be.. Run along now young laaad and come back when the penny finally drops..
Seriously?
One date for you sunshine, see how this makes you feel about your support of terrorists.
15 Aug 1998 29* Civilians killed by car bomb in the centre of a crowd in Market Street, Omagh. 2 babies and 9 children among the dead. 2 of the dead were Spanish tourists.
* total would be 31 if you include the two unborn babies also killed.
31 lives blown away, 2 before they had even had a chance to draw breath, innocent of everything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
"Really? If that’s your defence for Soldier F then you need to run along and have a reality check.. What happened in Omagh that day was an atrocity that should never have happened, a disgrace and against everything I know right.. hopefully someday there’ll be people held responsible for this and get what they deserve.. Now fuck right off if that’s how your defending soldier f, ah you’re prob just another Johnny Adair mini me... | |||
" Seriously? One date for you sunshine, see how this makes you feel about your support of terrorists. 15 Aug 1998 29* Civilians killed by car bomb in the centre of a crowd in Market Street, Omagh. 2 babies and 9 children among the dead. 2 of the dead were Spanish tourists. * total would be 31 if you include the two unborn babies also killed. 31 lives blown away, 2 before they had even had a chance to draw breath, innocent of everything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. "Really? Context is everything... So lets apply a little context to that bombing... Where did it happen? What was/is the makeup of the towns population? What was/is the general population of the area? What has been the history (modern) of the town and local area? What was the state of sectarianism in that area at the time? What is the area famous for ever 12th of August? And what is that time of year called? And when did this outrage happen? Do you think that maybe (just maybe) the reality is not quite as simple as the way you portray it? Just asking. | |||
" Seriously? One date for you sunshine, see how this makes you feel about your support of terrorists. 15 Aug 1998 29* Civilians killed by car bomb in the centre of a crowd in Market Street, Omagh. 2 babies and 9 children among the dead. 2 of the dead were Spanish tourists. * total would be 31 if you include the two unborn babies also killed. 31 lives blown away, 2 before they had even had a chance to draw breath, innocent of everything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Really?
Context is everything...
So lets apply a little context to that bombing...
Where did it happen? What was/is the makeup of the towns population? What was/is the general population of the area? What has been the history (modern) of the town and local area? What was the state of sectarianism in that area at the time? What is the area famous for ever 12th of August? And what is that time of year called? And when did this outrage happen?
Do you think that maybe (just maybe) the reality is not quite as simple as the way you portray it?
Just asking."It looks pretty simple to me. Terrorists detonated, without warning, a bomb, in a high street, during the day, and killed 31 innocent people. | |||
" Seriously? One date for you sunshine, see how this makes you feel about your support of terrorists. 15 Aug 1998 29* Civilians killed by car bomb in the centre of a crowd in Market Street, Omagh. 2 babies and 9 children among the dead. 2 of the dead were Spanish tourists. * total would be 31 if you include the two unborn babies also killed. 31 lives blown away, 2 before they had even had a chance to draw breath, innocent of everything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Really?
Context is everything...
So lets apply a little context to that bombing...
Where did it happen? What was/is the makeup of the towns population? What was/is the general population of the area? What has been the history (modern) of the town and local area? What was the state of sectarianism in that area at the time? What is the area famous for ever 12th of August? And what is that time of year called? And when did this outrage happen?
Do you think that maybe (just maybe) the reality is not quite as simple as the way you portray it?
Just asking.
It looks pretty simple to me.
Terrorists detonated, without warning, a bomb, in a high street, during the day, and killed 31 innocent people."Without warning?? | |||
"lets hope all the fuckers from both sides who tony gave free passes to have them revoked and they get charged aswell. Thousands from one side has already spent half their lives in prison, whether it be guilty or innocent after been interned without any trial in what can only be described as concentration camps.. so the uniformed side has got away scot free......... till now and the ones who blew innocents up and never served a day????? The British/loyalist forces?? That’s coming, bit delayed but better late than never.. May there be a long list of murdering soldiers* face justice and spend their last few years in their very own concentration camp, it’s happening whether ye jump on yer little toy motybikes and parade around like numbskulls or not... i was talking about the loyalists and republicans that the last labour goverment gave free passes to.and i dont have a toy motorbike.
You really have no idea what’s going on around you or what this thread is even about.. You’ve just mouthed off like a thug with no common sense or information since it started like a Johnny Adair wanna be.. Run along now young laaad and come back when the penny finally drops..
Seriously?
One date for you sunshine, see how this makes you feel about your support of terrorists.
15 Aug 1998 29* Civilians killed by car bomb in the centre of a crowd in Market Street, Omagh. 2 babies and 9 children among the dead. 2 of the dead were Spanish tourists.
* total would be 31 if you include the two unborn babies also killed.
31 lives blown away, 2 before they had even had a chance to draw breath, innocent of everything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Really? If that’s your defence for Soldier F then you need to run along and have a reality check..
What happened in Omagh that day was an atrocity that should never have happened, a disgrace and against everything I know right.. hopefully someday there’ll be people held responsible for this and get what they deserve..
Now fuck right off if that’s how your defending soldier f, ah you’re prob just another Johnny Adair mini me... "You were the one calling soldiers "*terrorist", I was just pointing out what a terrorist atrocity actually is. | |||
"lets hope all the fuckers from both sides who tony gave free passes to have them revoked and they get charged aswell. Thousands from one side has already spent half their lives in prison, whether it be guilty or innocent after been interned without any trial in what can only be described as concentration camps.. so the uniformed side has got away scot free......... till now and the ones who blew innocents up and never served a day????? The British/loyalist forces?? That’s coming, bit delayed but better late than never.. May there be a long list of murdering soldiers* face justice and spend their last few years in their very own concentration camp, it’s happening whether ye jump on yer little toy motybikes and parade around like numbskulls or not... i was talking about the loyalists and republicans that the last labour goverment gave free passes to.and i dont have a toy motorbike.
You really have no idea what’s going on around you or what this thread is even about.. You’ve just mouthed off like a thug with no common sense or information since it started like a Johnny Adair wanna be.. Run along now young laaad and come back when the penny finally drops..
"johnny adair wannabe lol you are hysterical mate.what part of republican and loyalist terrorists who got a free pass should be prosocuted dont u get? i think both sides were a bunch of cockwombles now you run along laaad | |||
" Seriously? One date for you sunshine, see how this makes you feel about your support of terrorists. 15 Aug 1998 29* Civilians killed by car bomb in the centre of a crowd in Market Street, Omagh. 2 babies and 9 children among the dead. 2 of the dead were Spanish tourists. * total would be 31 if you include the two unborn babies also killed. 31 lives blown away, 2 before they had even had a chance to draw breath, innocent of everything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Really?
Context is everything...
So lets apply a little context to that bombing...
Where did it happen? What was/is the makeup of the towns population? What was/is the general population of the area? What has been the history (modern) of the town and local area? What was the state of sectarianism in that area at the time? What is the area famous for ever 12th of August? And what is that time of year called? And when did this outrage happen?
Do you think that maybe (just maybe) the reality is not quite as simple as the way you portray it?
Just asking.
It looks pretty simple to me.
Terrorists detonated, without warning, a bomb, in a high street, during the day, and killed 31 innocent people."Without warnings ? The warnings that were misquoted that made the police sent victims towards the caf bomb ? How about U.S military intel British Military intel Mi6 The C.I.A all having intel that was not used to arrset those planning the bombing , which was suppied by the informants on there books . Blimey some people really should read more about what goes on before they speak about such things | |||
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"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians." You've heard of Peterloo, right? Or are you going in for satire? | |||
"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. You've heard of Peterloo, right? Or are you going in for satire?" The reason that I mentioned the entire if British history is that British soldiers have been massacring unarmed civilians as long as history has been recorded and across all continents, right to the present day. The union flag is not known as the "butcher's apron" for nothing. | |||
"lets hope all the fuckers from both sides who tony gave free passes to have them revoked and they get charged aswell. Thousands from one side has already spent half their lives in prison, whether it be guilty or innocent after been interned without any trial in what can only be described as concentration camps.. so the uniformed side has got away scot free......... till now and the ones who blew innocents up and never served a day????? The British/loyalist forces?? That’s coming, bit delayed but better late than never.. May there be a long list of murdering soldiers* face justice and spend their last few years in their very own concentration camp, it’s happening whether ye jump on yer little toy motybikes and parade around like numbskulls or not... i was talking about the loyalists and republicans that the last labour goverment gave free passes to.and i dont have a toy motorbike.
You really have no idea what’s going on around you or what this thread is even about.. You’ve just mouthed off like a thug with no common sense or information since it started like a Johnny Adair wanna be.. Run along now young laaad and come back when the penny finally drops..
Seriously?
One date for you sunshine, see how this makes you feel about your support of terrorists.
15 Aug 1998 29* Civilians killed by car bomb in the centre of a crowd in Market Street, Omagh. 2 babies and 9 children among the dead. 2 of the dead were Spanish tourists.
* total would be 31 if you include the two unborn babies also killed.
31 lives blown away, 2 before they had even had a chance to draw breath, innocent of everything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Really? If that’s your defence for Soldier F then you need to run along and have a reality check..
What happened in Omagh that day was an atrocity that should never have happened, a disgrace and against everything I know right.. hopefully someday there’ll be people held responsible for this and get what they deserve..
Now fuck right off if that’s how your defending soldier f, ah you’re prob just another Johnny Adair mini me...
You were the one calling soldiers "*terrorist", I was just pointing out what a terrorist atrocity actually is."Yes I did, boat loads of thugs that come to another country to harass, torture, murder their people for kicks, yes, are terrorists.. And Tony Blair and the rest seen an opportunity for peace and took it..It’s still not perfect but I’ll say one thing, it’s a lot better since the army left thinking they just arrive waving their cocks around being the big men, torturing and murdering Irish catholic’s, working with the UVF and UFF to murder a few more off the clock and think after a bit of a tour they could jump on a boat and have a laugh at it all.. the good Friday agreement was about peace, not about protecting a uniform where majority was just union flag waving trigger happy murders that was in a place where they weren’t welcome.. And as for the original question, Why didn’t it make mainstream media, the answer is because the rest of the country is embarrassed and ashamed that there’s people demonstrating that the “soldiers” were lawful on Bloody Sunday.. And I’m sure the majority of these vets on scooters are shitting themselves for the same carry on that was taken from Ireland and into the falklands, Afghanistan and Iraq.. Well, it’s all starting to catch up with them now.. | |||
"lets hope all the fuckers from both sides who tony gave free passes to have them revoked and they get charged aswell. Thousands from one side has already spent half their lives in prison, whether it be guilty or innocent after been interned without any trial in what can only be described as concentration camps.. so the uniformed side has got away scot free......... till now and the ones who blew innocents up and never served a day????? The British/loyalist forces?? That’s coming, bit delayed but better late than never.. May there be a long list of murdering soldiers* face justice and spend their last few years in their very own concentration camp, it’s happening whether ye jump on yer little toy motybikes and parade around like numbskulls or not... i was talking about the loyalists and republicans that the last labour goverment gave free passes to.and i dont have a toy motorbike.
You really have no idea what’s going on around you or what this thread is even about.. You’ve just mouthed off like a thug with no common sense or information since it started like a Johnny Adair wanna be.. Run along now young laaad and come back when the penny finally drops..
johnny adair wannabe lol you are hysterical mate.what part of republican and loyalist terrorists who got a free pass should be prosocuted dont u get? i think both sides were a bunch of cockwombles now you run along laaad"Yeah, google him.. it’s seems to be where you’re getting the rest of your bull shite.. Now you run along too and see what else you can “learn” from the BBC news.. | |||
"lets hope all the fuckers from both sides who tony gave free passes to have them revoked and they get charged aswell. Thousands from one side has already spent half their lives in prison, whether it be guilty or innocent after been interned without any trial in what can only be described as concentration camps.. so the uniformed side has got away scot free......... till now and the ones who blew innocents up and never served a day????? The British/loyalist forces?? That’s coming, bit delayed but better late than never.. May there be a long list of murdering soldiers* face justice and spend their last few years in their very own concentration camp, it’s happening whether ye jump on yer little toy motybikes and parade around like numbskulls or not... i was talking about the loyalists and republicans that the last labour goverment gave free passes to.and i dont have a toy motorbike.
You really have no idea what’s going on around you or what this thread is even about.. You’ve just mouthed off like a thug with no common sense or information since it started like a Johnny Adair wanna be.. Run along now young laaad and come back when the penny finally drops..
johnny adair wannabe lol you are hysterical mate.what part of republican and loyalist terrorists who got a free pass should be prosocuted dont u get? i think both sides were a bunch of cockwombles now you run along laaad
Yeah, google him.. it’s seems to be where you’re getting the rest of your bull shite.. Now you run along too and see what else you can “learn” from the BBC news.. "i dont get my info from the leftie beeb and think adair is a cock like any other terrorist from either side my point is if u gona start cjarging soilders then you start charging terrorosts from both sides who have escaped justice as st tony saw fit to give them free passes.and before you through the old line about republicans being freedom fighters nope cunty terrorists just like the cunts on the loyalist side.would liken them to i.s but at least those cunts belive in there cause enough to blow them selves to bits aswell | |||
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"if they wana prosocute the soilder its only fair they prosocute they scumbags st tony gave free passes to.if they dont wana do that then no one should be charged.one rule for all They did prosecute the scumbags Tony Blair gave free passes to (from both sides) and the Good Friday agreement has probably been the most effective initiative that's brought relative peace in northern Ireland despite hundreds of years of fighting. he gave free passes to peeps on the run who hadnt been prosocuted.i dnt care what side they were from.if u gona start charging peeps for stuff that happend during the troubles u charge ALL who have evaded justice or none at all.so thats the price for peace eh killers from both sides get a free pass and who says terrorism dosent pay ffs im sure the peeps who had family murdered by both sides would like to see justice for there reletives British soldiers already got full free passes to kill republican soldiers.. When you murder innocent kids by deliberately shooting them in the back as the try and run for safety then that’s murder, and also makes the “22,000” bikers look like MENTALLY challenged people.. " I fixed that for you | |||
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"Fighting a pointless war, Over fuck all for hundreds of years....Will ireland suddenly become a utopia once reunified? Will it fuck, So whats the point? " Lets reverse that... Why have English Tories spent hundreds of years subjugating the Irish Catholics in Ireland? Why did the English Tories depopulate the highlands and transplant a deeply puritanical protestant population to a Catholic country? Why did English Tories when finally forced out of Ireland partition the country? One could ask similar questions about English Tories in India, Africa, the Middle East and everywhere else they have been forced out of. Maybe the problem is not with the Irish but with the English Tory ruling class, and maybe it is now being turned inwards on the English who refused to obey their masters orders (think of what May is doing and how she and the Tories are sewing the seeds for generations of division with brexit). Just a thought. Nothing more than my open musings. | |||
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"Those same elites masterminding Brexit never gave a thought to the border in Ireland because they had that very mindset - the Irish would just accept whatever London decided. Well, hello sovereign nation, hello sovereign nation with the collective clout of 27 and, in more diplomatic terms, fuck you Brextremists and your imperial mindset. " Well done. You've tried to frame Ireland's struggle for independence from colonialism to suit your pro EU agenda. Are there no depths to which you won't sink? | |||
"Well done. You've tried to frame Ireland's struggle for independence from colonialism to suit your pro EU agenda. Are there no depths to which you won't sink?" I think Sara was adding to my last post where I pointed out the similarities between what the Tory ruling class has done round the world when it has lost control and what it is now doing here. And to be clear my post was not pro or anti EU or brexit. It was pointing out that yet again, as throughout the history of the Empire, the Tory ruling class divides rather than unites. Further, the divisions it sews inevitably lead to the massive loss of life, and while you are getting upset at Sara you should be thinking about what is behind what I have said and directing your anger at those who having divided everywhere else in the world to stay in power for a little longer, are now dividing us to stay in power for a little longer. But hey ho, sorry folks, I digress, lets get back to soldier F and maybe mention soldier B as well. | |||
"Well done. You've tried to frame Ireland's struggle for independence from colonialism to suit your pro EU agenda. Are there no depths to which you won't sink? I think Sara was adding to my last post where I pointed out the similarities between what the Tory ruling class has done round the world when it has lost control and what it is now doing here. And to be clear my post was not pro or anti EU or brexit. It was pointing out that yet again, as throughout the history of the Empire, the Tory ruling class divides rather than unites. Further, the divisions it sews inevitably lead to the massive loss of life, and while you are getting upset at Sara you should be thinking about what is behind what I have said and directing your anger at those who having divided everywhere else in the world to stay in power for a little longer, are now dividing us to stay in power for a little longer. But hey ho, sorry folks, I digress, lets get back to soldier F and maybe mention soldier B as well. " The whole thing has fuck all to do with bloody BREXIT. She is an obsessive and tries to shoehorn everything into a pro- remain agenda, no matter how insulting that is to either victims or intelligence. She's exactly the same as the Pro-Brexit obsessives that she derides, ignorant and bigoted. Any idiot can see that the Tory elite are split on BREXIT, for various self-centred reasons as is their wont. | |||
"You’re embarrassing yourself and your own country people are starting to get embarrassed for you.. You really have no idea of what went on. It’s even amazing that someone as clueless as you is even given a vote.. 1)Educate yourself on the world around you.. 2)Take some vocabulary lessons because a 4yr old would do a better job.. Come back to me when you have that done and stick to the subject at hand." do you really think i give two hoots wat you or anyone else on here thinks of me??? oh no random strangers on the internet disagree with me watever shall i do lol.you obviously hold the veiws you do as that is your right.same as its my right to hold the views i do.unlike you i think republicans and loyalist terrorists are fuckwits where you srem to think only the army and loyalists are in the wrong.but hey ho.you seem to be the expert so lets give the forum over to you laaaad | |||
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"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. Was there that day, was very orderly, was speaking to some of them, and it was for support for soldier F, It’s true no British soldier in recent history would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. If we are talking Justice, what about Birmingham. Over 40 years and the real culprits have not been caught. It’s not right. " Maybe if your Government hadnt framed 6 innocent people in the immediate aftermath, then the real perpetrators would have been locked up! The couldnt be seen to investigate for fear of letting the truth out and by the time the truth did come out most of those responsible had died. | |||
"lets hope all the fuckers from both sides who tony gave free passes to have them revoked and they get charged aswell. Thousands from one side has already spent half their lives in prison, whether it be guilty or innocent after been interned without any trial in what can only be described as concentration camps.. so the uniformed side has got away scot free......... till now and the ones who blew innocents up and never served a day????? The British/loyalist forces?? That’s coming, bit delayed but better late than never.. May there be a long list of murdering soldiers* face justice and spend their last few years in their very own concentration camp, it’s happening whether ye jump on yer little toy motybikes and parade around like numbskulls or not... i was talking about the loyalists and republicans that the last labour goverment gave free passes to.and i dont have a toy motorbike.
You really have no idea what’s going on around you or what this thread is even about.. You’ve just mouthed off like a thug with no common sense or information since it started like a Johnny Adair wanna be.. Run along now young laaad and come back when the penny finally drops..
Seriously?
One date for you sunshine, see how this makes you feel about your support of terrorists.
15 Aug 1998 29* Civilians killed by car bomb in the centre of a crowd in Market Street, Omagh. 2 babies and 9 children among the dead. 2 of the dead were Spanish tourists.
* total would be 31 if you include the two unborn babies also killed.
31 lives blown away, 2 before they had even had a chance to draw breath, innocent of everything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
"Dublin & Monaghan bombing of 1974 33 dead including a full term unborn child. UVF terrorists with collusion from British state forces! Both sides were equally as guilty but one side didnt hide their involvement or pretend otherwise. | |||
"The whole thing has fuck all to do with bloody BREXIT. She is an obsessive and tries to shoehorn everything into a pro- remain agenda, no matter how insulting that is to either victims or intelligence. She's exactly the same as the Pro-Brexit obsessives that she derides, ignorant and bigoted. Any idiot can see that the Tory elite are split on BREXIT, for various self-centred reasons as is their wont." Now try reversing your basic premiss and you may start to understand where I am coming from. I am not saying that the whole Irish situation has anything to do with brexit. I am saying that brexit, Ireland, India, Rwanda et al have to do with keeping the Tories united and in power by sewing the deepest of divisions between those the Tories feel it is their god given right to rule who disobey them and start throwing off their shackles. Not everything brexit related is brexocentric. (Have I just made a new word?    ) | |||
"The whole thing has fuck all to do with bloody BREXIT. She is an obsessive and tries to shoehorn everything into a pro- remain agenda, no matter how insulting that is to either victims or intelligence. She's exactly the same as the Pro-Brexit obsessives that she derides, ignorant and bigoted. Any idiot can see that the Tory elite are split on BREXIT, for various self-centred reasons as is their wont. Now try reversing your basic premiss and you may start to understand where I am coming from. I am not saying that the whole Irish situation has anything to do with brexit. I am saying that brexit, Ireland, India, Rwanda et al have to do with keeping the Tories united and in power by sewing the deepest of divisions between those the Tories feel it is their god given right to rule who disobey them and start throwing off their shackles. Not everything brexit related is brexocentric. (Have I just made a new word? )"But BREXIT has nothing to do with uniting the Tories- haven't you noticed how split they are on it? It's the establishment squabbling amongst themselves about how best to squeeze the most from us. | |||
"Fighting a pointless war, Over fuck all for hundreds of years....Will ireland suddenly become a utopia once reunified? Will it fuck, So whats the point? Lets reverse that... Why have English Tories spent hundreds of years subjugating the Irish Catholics in Ireland? Why did the English Tories depopulate the highlands and transplant a deeply puritanical protestant population to a Catholic country? Why did English Tories when finally forced out of Ireland partition the country? One could ask similar questions about English Tories in India, Africa, the Middle East and everywhere else they have been forced out of. Maybe the problem is not with the Irish but with the English Tory ruling class, and maybe it is now being turned inwards on the English who refused to obey their masters orders (think of what May is doing and how she and the Tories are sewing the seeds for generations of division with brexit). Just a thought. Nothing more than my open musings." I'm sorry but if your generalizing by throwing "tories" in there...Do you think colonial settlers in africa were preaching the virtues of being a torie? They were hardly the ones who subjugated ireland...
speaking of subjugation...What country master the art of human slavery?
Why ireland of course
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"For clarity, I am 100% for fighting our wars (and there will always be wars we have to fight while humans remain as we are now) in other peoples territory rather than ours. It is just that war fighters need to know and abide by the rules of war and international human rights laws or be made to face impartial justice for their violations. And it should be understood that this is not some sort of wishy washy lefty (which I am) principle thing. This is the enlightened self interest thinking of a former war fighter who understands that every act of unwarranted casual casual brutality carried out by a member of an occupying force undoes all the good done up to that point in the community where it takes place and places every member of that occupying force in more peril than they were already in. Hearts and minds is not just a purview of the thinking soldier and a smile with a kind word and a piece of chocolate, boiled sweet or bit of chewing gum is a much better way to deal with a sullen or antagonistic child on a street than a not so crafty smack round the head and a kick in the pants (which is likely to result in the next patrol meeting a hail of stones from the same child and their friends and buckets of piss from their mother)." Before the troops were sent it was mainly civil rights that was been fought for.. The RUC had their side picked along with the B specials so when the troops got there, they were kinda half welcomed thinking that they were there as peace keepers and the brutality to Irish catholic’s would stop.. well no, as you stated further up, there were 2 types, one type of soldier to do his role and the other(and the vast majority) with a different agenda, basically to join in on the torturing.. I was trying to debate with others here, pointless when there was just blabber coming back.. So back to the initial subject, if anyone can’t defend Soldier F and as from yesterday Soldier B by saying it was an order or panic and self defence, well it’s 100% a losing battle.. I was also shot down yesterday for saying British forces and loyalists turned out to be basically the same.. well, check the news today to see who’s getting prosecuted for passing information to who.. | |||
"lets hope all the fuckers from both sides who tony gave free passes to have them revoked and they get charged aswell. Thousands from one side has already spent half their lives in prison, whether it be guilty or innocent after been interned without any trial in what can only be described as concentration camps.. so the uniformed side has got away scot free......... till now and the ones who blew innocents up and never served a day????? The British/loyalist forces?? That’s coming, bit delayed but better late than never.. May there be a long list of murdering soldiers* face justice and spend their last few years in their very own concentration camp, it’s happening whether ye jump on yer little toy motybikes and parade around like numbskulls or not... i was talking about the loyalists and republicans that the last labour goverment gave free passes to.and i dont have a toy motorbike.
You really have no idea what’s going on around you or what this thread is even about.. You’ve just mouthed off like a thug with no common sense or information since it started like a Johnny Adair wanna be.. Run along now young laaad and come back when the penny finally drops..
Seriously?
One date for you sunshine, see how this makes you feel about your support of terrorists.
15 Aug 1998 29* Civilians killed by car bomb in the centre of a crowd in Market Street, Omagh. 2 babies and 9 children among the dead. 2 of the dead were Spanish tourists.
* total would be 31 if you include the two unborn babies also killed.
31 lives blown away, 2 before they had even had a chance to draw breath, innocent of everything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Dublin & Monaghan bombing of 1974
33 dead including a full term unborn child.
UVF terrorists with collusion from British state forces!
Both sides were equally as guilty but one side didnt hide their involvement or pretend otherwise."Birmingham pub bombings....more than 30 odd irish dead... Trying to use past massacres as pro - wherever you stand is stupid. We can go tit for tat for bombings and acts of terrorism...Yet far enough down the line you can see which side committed the first acts against CIVILIANS not soldiers. | |||
"lets hope all the fuckers from both sides who tony gave free passes to have them revoked and they get charged aswell. Thousands from one side has already spent half their lives in prison, whether it be guilty or innocent after been interned without any trial in what can only be described as concentration camps.. so the uniformed side has got away scot free......... till now and the ones who blew innocents up and never served a day????? The British/loyalist forces?? That’s coming, bit delayed but better late than never.. May there be a long list of murdering soldiers* face justice and spend their last few years in their very own concentration camp, it’s happening whether ye jump on yer little toy motybikes and parade around like numbskulls or not... i was talking about the loyalists and republicans that the last labour goverment gave free passes to.and i dont have a toy motorbike.
You really have no idea what’s going on around you or what this thread is even about.. You’ve just mouthed off like a thug with no common sense or information since it started like a Johnny Adair wanna be.. Run along now young laaad and come back when the penny finally drops..
Seriously?
One date for you sunshine, see how this makes you feel about your support of terrorists.
15 Aug 1998 29* Civilians killed by car bomb in the centre of a crowd in Market Street, Omagh. 2 babies and 9 children among the dead. 2 of the dead were Spanish tourists.
* total would be 31 if you include the two unborn babies also killed.
31 lives blown away, 2 before they had even had a chance to draw breath, innocent of everything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Dublin & Monaghan bombing of 1974
33 dead including a full term unborn child.
UVF terrorists with collusion from British state forces!
Both sides were equally as guilty but one side didnt hide their involvement or pretend otherwise.
Birmingham pub bombings....more than 30 odd irish dead...
Trying to use past massacres as pro - wherever you stand is stupid.
We can go tit for tat for bombings and acts of terrorism...Yet far enough down the line you can see which side committed the first acts against CIVILIANS not soldiers."So that'll be the British government/military then. | |||
"p.s i didnt realise you were the grammar police aswell dirky.like i give a fuck what you think of me hahahahaha" Yes you do care, that’s pretty obvious.. And yes, I know a lot more than you, also obvious.. So back to the initial subject, tell me your defence for soldier F, in two properly written sentences. | |||
"Those same elites masterminding Brexit never gave a thought to the border in Ireland because they had that very mindset - the Irish would just accept whatever London decided. Well, hello sovereign nation, hello sovereign nation with the collective clout of 27 and, in more diplomatic terms, fuck you Brextremists and your imperial mindset. Well done. You've tried to frame Ireland's struggle for independence from colonialism to suit your pro EU agenda. Are there no depths to which you won't sink?" My post was about the imperial mindset of Britain's so-called ruling class. Brexit is just the latest in a long list of misguided fuck-ups it has yielded over the years. People who are brought up to believe they are born to rule by definition do not learn the skills of diplomacy, negotiation and compromise. | |||
"Did you see it on the news? Chances are, the answer is no, as the "Mainstream Media" (msm) totally ignored it, that's 22,000 bikes, a lot with pillion, plus a whole heap of foot-based supporters, some estimates put the total number of demonstrators at 50,000, bringing parts of London to a standstill.....and NOT ONE SINGLE INCIDENT of disorder, violence, or other trouble. So, why didn't the MSM feature it? " Probably because there is so much shit going down in the country already that to bring up terrorism would bring up the backstop and brexit which wouldn’t suit the MSM as you put it! Logic being that if you start defending the murder of unarmed marchers by elite units of our army, who were basically two companies shooting at each other, then you deny truth. It is ok to say you are wrong or you made a mistake, no matter how terrible but unfortunately truth is often covered up to save face or reduce liability. Personally I think raking over the coals after all this time is not going to be good for anyone involved but if the truth had been told years ago the pain would be less now. | |||
"lets hope all the fuckers from both sides who tony gave free passes to have them revoked and they get charged aswell. Thousands from one side has already spent half their lives in prison, whether it be guilty or innocent after been interned without any trial in what can only be described as concentration camps.. so the uniformed side has got away scot free......... till now and the ones who blew innocents up and never served a day????? The British/loyalist forces?? That’s coming, bit delayed but better late than never.. May there be a long list of murdering soldiers* face justice and spend their last few years in their very own concentration camp, it’s happening whether ye jump on yer little toy motybikes and parade around like numbskulls or not... i was talking about the loyalists and republicans that the last labour goverment gave free passes to.and i dont have a toy motorbike.
You really have no idea what’s going on around you or what this thread is even about.. You’ve just mouthed off like a thug with no common sense or information since it started like a Johnny Adair wanna be.. Run along now young laaad and come back when the penny finally drops..
Seriously?
One date for you sunshine, see how this makes you feel about your support of terrorists.
15 Aug 1998 29* Civilians killed by car bomb in the centre of a crowd in Market Street, Omagh. 2 babies and 9 children among the dead. 2 of the dead were Spanish tourists.
* total would be 31 if you include the two unborn babies also killed.
31 lives blown away, 2 before they had even had a chance to draw breath, innocent of everything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Dublin & Monaghan bombing of 1974
33 dead including a full term unborn child.
UVF terrorists with collusion from British state forces!
Both sides were equally as guilty but one side didnt hide their involvement or pretend otherwise.
Birmingham pub bombings....more than 30 odd irish dead...
Trying to use past massacres as pro - wherever you stand is stupid.
We can go tit for tat for bombings and acts of terrorism...Yet far enough down the line you can see which side committed the first acts against CIVILIANS not soldiers.
So that'll be the British government/military then. "Republican army....Peoples army....Hmmm i wonder which class of militia would take any new comers to bolster their ranks? Train these newbies in guerrilla warfare? Plus it was always the irish who liked blowing up civilian targets. | |||
"Trying to use past massacres as pro - wherever you stand is stupid. We can go tit for tat for bombings and acts of terrorism...Yet far enough down the line you can see which side committed the first acts against CIVILIANS not soldiers." So would you say the blame lies with Thomas Cromwell (who has been described as both the ISIS and Stalin of his day) who acted under the orders of Henry VIII and started the subjugation of Irish Catholics after the Reformation of the English Church, of would you lay the blame at the feet of Oliver Cromwell who invaded Ireland with his NMA in 1649? And how much of the troubles in Ireland would you attribute to the Pale Laws enacted by England? Further do you believe that any of the above in any way sets the foundations for todays attitudes on either side of the sectarian and national divides between Protestant and Catholic English and Irish? Could those divides have also permeated the British Armed Forces and thus have led to the prosecutions of soldier B and F? And finally, has anyone any suggestions as to how we avoid making the same mistakes again while not loosing the thing that makes our war fighters the most feared and copied in the world. | |||
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"Trying to use past massacres as pro - wherever you stand is stupid. We can go tit for tat for bombings and acts of terrorism...Yet far enough down the line you can see which side committed the first acts against CIVILIANS not soldiers. So would you say the blame lies with Thomas Cromwell (who has been described as both the ISIS and Stalin of his day) who acted under the orders of Henry VIII and started the subjugation of Irish Catholics after the Reformation of the English Church, of would you lay the blame at the feet of Oliver Cromwell who invaded Ireland with his NMA in 1649? And how much of the troubles in Ireland would you attribute to the Pale Laws enacted by England? Further do you believe that any of the above in any way sets the foundations for todays attitudes on either side of the sectarian and national divides between Protestant and Catholic English and Irish? Could those divides have also permeated the British Armed Forces and thus have led to the prosecutions of soldier B and F? And finally, has anyone any suggestions as to how we avoid making the same mistakes again while not loosing the thing that makes our war fighters the most feared and copied in the world." I don't blame a dead PM from 400 year back for modern problems... The problem was people were stupid...Stupid enough to believe it was catholics vs protestants, Irish vs English, Tories vs working class.... If cromwell was the ISIS and Stalin of the day...Why would he put power in the hands of parliament? In simple terms he returned power to the people from the monarchy (even if the "people" weren't toffs" I know nothing about pale laws and feeble excuses from the past to bring in rhetoric answers, I just know my irish friends and family are pretty racist against the english conquering the north, Yet they act like once the country is whole they will happy as larry. "Yay!! reunified with the c**nts i've been shooting at, attacking and treating like filth!! wooo welcome back!" | |||
" But BREXIT has nothing to do with uniting the Tories- haven't you noticed how split they are on it? It's the establishment squabbling amongst themselves about how best to squeeze the most from us." Who in your view exactly is "The Establishment"? | |||
"Did you see it on the news? Chances are, the answer is no, as the "Mainstream Media" (msm) totally ignored it, that's 22,000 bikes, a lot with pillion, plus a whole heap of foot-based supporters, some estimates put the total number of demonstrators at 50,000, bringing parts of London to a standstill.....and NOT ONE SINGLE INCIDENT of disorder, violence, or other trouble. So, why didn't the MSM feature it? Probably because there is so much shit going down in the country already that to bring up terrorism would bring up the backstop and brexit which wouldn’t suit the MSM as you put it! Logic being that if you start defending the murder of unarmed marchers by elite units of our army, who were basically two companies shooting at each other, then you deny truth. It is ok to say you are wrong or you made a mistake, no matter how terrible but unfortunately truth is often covered up to save face or reduce liability. Personally I think raking over the coals after all this time is not going to be good for anyone involved but if the truth had been told years ago the pain would be less now. "That was Ballymurphy where they say 2 units came under fire and turned out they were shooting at each other where more Irish catholic’s were gunned down and murdered, shooting at each other?? Where do they come up with these.. But we better not go into that hear, there’s a lot that can’t get the reality of the one already been discussed.. | |||
"Trying to use past massacres as pro - wherever you stand is stupid. We can go tit for tat for bombings and acts of terrorism...Yet far enough down the line you can see which side committed the first acts against CIVILIANS not soldiers. So would you say the blame lies with Thomas Cromwell (who has been described as both the ISIS and Stalin of his day) who acted under the orders of Henry VIII and started the subjugation of Irish Catholics after the Reformation of the English Church, of would you lay the blame at the feet of Oliver Cromwell who invaded Ireland with his NMA in 1649? And how much of the troubles in Ireland would you attribute to the Pale Laws enacted by England? Further do you believe that any of the above in any way sets the foundations for todays attitudes on either side of the sectarian and national divides between Protestant and Catholic English and Irish? Could those divides have also permeated the British Armed Forces and thus have led to the prosecutions of soldier B and F? And finally, has anyone any suggestions as to how we avoid making the same mistakes again while not loosing the thing that makes our war fighters the most feared and copied in the world. I don't blame a dead PM from 400 year back for modern problems... The problem was people were stupid...Stupid enough to believe it was catholics vs protestants, Irish vs English, Tories vs working class.... If cromwell was the ISIS and Stalin of the day...Why would he put power in the hands of parliament? In simple terms he returned power to the people from the monarchy (even if the "people" weren't toffs" I know nothing about pale laws and feeble excuses from the past to bring in rhetoric answers, I just know my irish friends and family are pretty racist against the english conquering the north, Yet they act like once the country is whole they will happy as larry. "Yay!! reunified with the c**nts i've been shooting at, attacking and treating like filth!! wooo welcome back!" "I was about to finish with this thread, but thought I’d clear this bit up.. You’ve picked up bits from your family and friends, media and what not and filled in the blanks.. with one major change.. The struggle as it was before the troubles was simply about civil rights, the right not to get thrown out of your house to be given to settlers, the right not to get dragged out of your car on the way to mass by the people there for law and order, the right for equal opportunity, the right to be able to walk to the shop and not get dragged down an alleyway and watched on by the British installed police force.. think back, the march on Bloody Sunday-civil rights, all the hunger strikes-civil rights... All for civil rights... look what happened when the army was removed,. people from both sides DO want peace, granted living as seperate communities, the VAST majority from both sides don’t care what flag that’s up, but don’t fuck around with the GFA because that IS what’s keeping a fragile peace process together... | |||
"If cromwell was the ISIS and Stalin of the day...Why would he put power in the hands of parliament? In simple terms he returned power to the people from the monarchy (even if the "people" weren't toffs" I know nothing about pale laws and feeble excuses from the past to bring in rhetoric answers, I just know my irish friends and family are pretty racist against the english conquering the north, Yet they act like once the country is whole they will happy as larry. "Yay!! reunified with the c**nts i've been shooting at, attacking and treating like filth!! wooo welcome back!" "Wrong Cromwell (there were 2 you know, Tommy and Olly) you need to sort them out and find out which did what before attributing things to them. (Just a hint). And maybe before telling us all what racist arse's your Irish family and friends are and how bigoted they are to the English invaders you may want to read a little of the history. I would suggest you start with 'The Pale' (thats from the 13th century) then go on to The Reformation and the land and property laws (the pale laws) passed at that time by THOMAS Cromwell. Then read a little about OLIVER Cromwell's puritan crusade with his New Model Army between 1649 and 53. After that read a little about King Billy and the Orange Orders, the highland clearances and plantations of Ulster. Maybe then have a read about the setting up of The Irish Free State and the partition of Ireland and why it was done. Then have a little think about the Orange Order marches that continue today and come back and tell me how what happened 400 years ago has no relation to what is happening still. At the same time tell black Americans in the south that slavery and the Jim Crow laws have nothing to do with the racism that is rife in the US today. | |||
" So that'll be the British government/military then. Republican army....Peoples army....Hmmm i wonder which class of militia would take any new comers to bolster their ranks? Train these newbies in guerrilla warfare? Plus it was always the irish who liked blowing up civilian targets." And for the 700+yrs before the IRA of the 1970s? Irish people were minding their own business for centuries before the British came and murdered in order to colonise | |||
"p.s i didnt realise you were the grammar police aswell dirky.like i give a fuck what you think of me hahahahaha Yes you do care, that’s pretty obvious.. And yes, I know a lot more than you, also obvious.. So back to the initial subject, tell me your defence for soldier F, in two properly written sentences. " my point is if they are going to charge soilders then ALL the fuckers who got given free passes should be charged aswell justice should be equal not one sided. oh and by the way i dont care if ppl think what i post is shit.im never likley yo cross paths with them so why care what a random stranger thinks of me? you may like to appeal to the masses on here. me i couldnt care less some people may agree with me some people may think im talking bollox. | |||
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"p.s i didnt realise you were the grammar police aswell dirky.like i give a fuck what you think of me hahahahaha Yes you do care, that’s pretty obvious.. And yes, I know a lot more than you, also obvious.. So back to the initial subject, tell me your defence for soldier F, in two properly written sentences. my point is if they are going to charge soilders then ALL the fuckers who got given free passes should be charged aswell justice should be equal not one sided. oh and by the way i dont care if ppl think what i post is shit.im never likley yo cross paths with them so why care what a random stranger thinks of me? you may like to appeal to the masses on here. me i couldnt care less some people may agree with me some people may think im talking bollox." As expected | |||
"These threads are great for a laugh. The funniest bits have to be the "well Saville found this" bits yet are suggesting things that weren't suggested at all by Saville,the Martin McGuinness stuff being the classic example. " From a news report on the Saville enquiry. "The Saville Inquiry found that Martin McGuinness was probably armed with a sub machine gun on Bloody Sunday. Saville found that McGuinness, at that time the Adjutant of the IRA in Londonderry, had engaged in paramilitary activity during Bloody Sunday. “In the end we were left in some doubt as to his movements on the day,” Saville found. “Before the soldiers of Support Company went into the Bogside he was probably armed with a Thompson sub-machine gun, and though it is possible that he fired this weapon, there is insufficient evidence to make any finding on this, save that we are sure that he did not engage in any activity that provided any of the soldiers with any justification for opening fire.” Lord Saville also found that there was “some firing by republican paramilitaries” on Bloody Sunday and that Official IRA men probably fired on soldiers. A member of the Official IRA (OIRA)told the inquiry that they had shot at soldiers very early on in retaliation to the shooting of two of the protesters. Saville concluded: “These two Official IRA members had gone to a pre-arranged sniping position in order to fire at the soldiers; and probably did so when an opportunity presented itself rather than because two civilians had been injured.” | |||
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"A demonstration for a guy that opened fire and murdered civilians at a demonstration.. Well that’s awkward.. You do know that there were shots fired from the rioters too, or rather, from the terrorists using them as a "human shield" don't you? The demonstration yesterday wasn't about what happened all those years ago, it was to show support for a soldier, just doing what he was told. No British soldier would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. Was there that day, was very orderly, was speaking to some of them, and it was for support for soldier F, It’s true no British soldier in recent history would deliberately fire on unarmed civilians. If we are talking Justice, what about Birmingham. Over 40 years and the real culprits have not been caught. It’s not right. But the British police force managed to imprison 6 innocent men. And that wasnt the only time it happened. " | |||
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"Is it possible we could avoid escalating the violence & chucking testosterone in? A woman died, it should not have happened, it should never happen again. Nationalism is wrong at every level." Absolutely.... I'm guessing Welsh flags don't count though right? | |||
"Is it possible we could avoid escalating the violence & chucking testosterone in? A woman died, it should not have happened, it should never happen again. Nationalism is wrong at every level." i was just asking what he thinks of his heros/ terrorists shooting innocent people | |||
"Is it possible we could avoid escalating the violence & chucking testosterone in? A woman died, it should not have happened, it should never happen again. Nationalism is wrong at every level. Absolutely.... I'm guessing Welsh flags don't count though right?" When you start thinking as opposed to provoking I might be interested. I am Welsh, M is Scottish, we are British. I am happy to enjoy my heritage through rugby & not violence, and petty point scoring... | |||
"Is it possible we could avoid escalating the violence & chucking testosterone in? A woman died, it should not have happened, it should never happen again. Nationalism is wrong at every level. Absolutely.... I'm guessing Welsh flags don't count though right? When you start thinking as opposed to provoking I might be interested. I am Welsh, M is Scottish, we are British. I am happy to enjoy my heritage through rugby & not violence, and petty point scoring..." You're kidding? I literally thought that's ALL you did! who knew!? | |||
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"Is it possible we could avoid escalating the violence & chucking testosterone in? A woman died, it should not have happened, it should never happen again. Nationalism is wrong at every level. Absolutely.... I'm guessing Welsh flags don't count though right?" There's a difference between patriotism and nationalism. | |||
