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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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A piece by a war correspondent today about journalists being increasingly targeted whilst working, with UK rising up the ranking of dangerous countries, is brought into focus by the shooting of a journalist in NI. Is it a result of increasing world tensions, Trump’s rhetoric or increasing frustrations with politicians and media in general? |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"i blame the bankers. The effects of the financial crash still haven't worked their way out the system.
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Sadly it won't as nothing has changed in how the banks work and also how greedy individuals being prepared to borrow money at any cost.
I was very nieve and hoped that after the crash the western world would learn some lessons but it has not and never will I feel |
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"Sadly it won't as nothing has changed in how the banks work and also how greedy individuals being prepared to borrow money at any cost.
I was very nieve and hoped that after the crash the western world would learn some lessons but it has not and never will I feel"
Again they are the symptom, the disease is capitalism. |
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"I don’t understand from your replies how capitalism results in journalists being targeted and killed all over the world. Can you explain?"
Capitalism by its nature will always concentrate wealth. Most violence is caused by inequality which is a byproduct of concentrating wealth and those seen to be the enforcers of that inequality become the targets of that violence. Those who control wealth also control the dissemination of information and therefore journalists, who are the propaganda arm of the oppressive system put in place by the rich and powerful, become targets when the messages of their owners become too outrageous.
I guess telling the Irish that brexit is more important than peace in Ireland and therefore their lives has crossed a line. |
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I've just read that the journalist wasn't actually working when she was accidentally shot. She lived there in i can gather in the area it happened, as it was to do with a ride on a house.
I doubt who did it will come forward only time will tell, but regardless of what she was her family and friends are the one's in pieces.
not anyone else, It's bisnuess as usual. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Specifically related to NI and nothing world wide - this horrible incidence is related to the lack of a cohesive governing body in NI and the tensions that Brexit has created.
Both sides are to blame but someone has to show leadership.
Sadly, nobody wants to take the first step towards reconciliation. |
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I understand your point and to degree agree with it. The DUP should be in Stormont with Sinn Fein and others trying to defend Northern Irelands peace, as opposed to propping up a crap Tory party.
However, none of this is enough to justify the death of any person. At least they jointly condemned this terrorist act. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The poor girl’s death might not then be part of what I’m referring to and her occupation an irrelevant (to this) fact.
Journalists are more than ever at risk of being targeted to be shot in areas of war conflict and attacked in areas of civil unrest. In the past, they had no more, or less, personal risk than others. Not now. It poses a risk to freedom of speech and ultimately, truthful news. |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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"A piece by a war correspondent today about journalists being increasingly targeted whilst working, with UK rising up the ranking of dangerous countries, is brought into focus by the shooting of a journalist in NI. Is it a result of increasing world tensions, Trump’s rhetoric or increasing frustrations with politicians and media in general?"
The NI reporter shot wasn't targeted, she was shot whilst some crazy man was randomly shooting at police. She was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I suspect war reporters understand the perilous nature of their work however, the killing of Jill Dando was supposed to in retaliation to the NATO attack in Belgrade. There are others who have been targeted whilst reporting in the field but Dando was on British soil.
Trump has little to do with any reporter dying, though he's no doubt dividing sentiment - there was the recent man in a van targeting politicians and news organisations. I think if someone is mad enough to kill someone it doesn't matter if they are a reporter, politician or other - they will find a reason from somewhere.
Here are war reporters/photographers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Journalists_killed_while_covering_military_conflicts
Here are those in European conflicts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Europe |
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The person who shot Lyra McKee may have been mad, but he (strangely likely to be a man rather than a woman) was very likely to be a terrorist in the New IRA.
Why do men have to be so aggressive, to each other, but especially to women  |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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"The person who shot Lyra McKee may have been mad, but he (strangely likely to be a man rather than a woman) was very likely to be a terrorist in the New IRA.
Why do men have to be so aggressive, to each other, but especially to women "
Two teenagers have been arrested in connection to this. Will have to see what follows. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don’t understand from your replies how capitalism results in journalists being targeted and killed all over the world. Can you explain?
Capitalism by its nature will always concentrate wealth. Most violence is caused by inequality which is a byproduct of concentrating wealth and those seen to be the enforcers of that inequality become the targets of that violence. Those who control wealth also control the dissemination of information and therefore journalists, who are the propaganda arm of the oppressive system put in place by the rich and powerful, become targets when the messages of their owners become too outrageous.
I guess telling the Irish that brexit is more important than peace in Ireland and therefore their lives has crossed a line."
Most people of they had a choice between capitalism and socialism will choose the former. All socialism does is drag us down to the lowest common denominator.
At least capitalism gives us something to aim for. |
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" Most people of they had a choice between capitalism and socialism will choose the former."
True.
"All socialism does is drag us down to the lowest common denominator."
You would think if you read and listen to the mass media (which is owned and run by capitalists for capitalists). But the truth is socialism or the threat of revolution has given us free healthcare, workers rights, nearly equal access to law, free education to the age of 18 and much more. To be clear if capitalists had not been forced to modify their conduct by socialism we would still have bonded serfdom, children working in mines and mills, dead bodies lying unburied and streets used as open sewers.
"At least capitalism gives us something to aim for. "
Yep, a pipe dream that every 10 to 20 years is stripped from the majority in an economic 'crash' that just 'happens' to transfer even more of the worlds wealth into the hands of a smaller and smaller group of people right at the top of the pile. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Since capitalism and socialism in one form or another have existed since the beginning of time and those reporting in war zones have traditionally been protected on both sides, they are not solely, if at all, to blame per se there. It’s more complicated than a simplistic capitalism vs socialism view.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Sadly it won't as nothing has changed in how the banks work and also how greedy individuals being prepared to borrow money at any cost.
I was very nieve and hoped that after the crash the western world would learn some lessons but it has not and never will I feel
Again they are the symptom, the disease is capitalism. "
All systems have there faults but capitalism can be cured,communism cannot be cured because it ignores the human condition,capatalism includes this that is why it is better. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Since capitalism and socialism in one form or another have existed since the beginning of time and those reporting in war zones have traditionally been protected on both sides, they are not solely, if at all, to blame per se there. It’s more complicated than a simplistic capitalism vs socialism view.
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So very true I do agree with you |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Completely agree.
I honestly believe very few people ( especially in England) have a true understanding of NI in terms of politics/ history/religion and sectarianism. This knowledge gap was illustrated in the Brexit debate and still continues.
This has nothing to do with capitalism or hatred of the media.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Completely agree.
I honestly believe very few people ( especially in England) have a true understanding of NI in terms of politics/ history/religion and sectarianism. This knowledge gap was illustrated in the Brexit debate and still continues.
This has nothing to do with capitalism or hatred of the media.
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So true, sure look at every time they get in a new minister from England to try and figure things out, and every time they haven't a notion on how northern Ireland works, its embarrassing. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Since capitalism and socialism in one form or another have existed since the beginning of time and those reporting in war zones have traditionally been protected on both sides, they are not solely, if at all, to blame per se there. It’s more complicated than a simplistic capitalism vs socialism view.
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No they haven't.
You could argue that the first capitalist revolution came with Cromwell. Capitalism, in the case of western Europe replaced Feudalism.
Some argue Socialism started with Robert Owen, but in reality it was just a form of philanthropy. In reality, socialism owes too much to Marx to have existed before him.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Yes, they have. The terms as we know them are relatively new but the systems they refer to have existed since commerce began. It’s the human condition. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Yes, they have. The terms as we know them are relatively new but the systems they refer to have existed since commerce began. It’s the human condition. "
No, they really haven't. Feudalism may have capital, but is definitely not capitalism. This is the system capitalism mostly replaced.
Prior to that, the system(s) were various forms of tribalism, which may or may not have even had capital as a means of exchange (most didn't).
Given that tribalism lasted a lot longer than any of the others, you could probably make an argument that it's the most "human" of them. |
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"You could argue that the first capitalist revolution came with Cromwell. Capitalism, in the case of western Europe replaced Feudalism.
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Really? Cromwell? So not the rise of the merchant traders and the 'Black Death' which started the move of wealth and power away from the Feudal Aristocracy (land) and to the cities and Merchant Princes (money)? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"You could argue that the first capitalist revolution came with Cromwell. Capitalism, in the case of western Europe replaced Feudalism.
Really? Cromwell? So not the rise of the merchant traders and the 'Black Death' which started the move of wealth and power away from the Feudal Aristocracy (land) and to the cities and Merchant Princes (money)?"
The Hanseatic League were at it years before that. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"You could argue that the first capitalist revolution came with Cromwell. Capitalism, in the case of western Europe replaced Feudalism.
Really? Cromwell? So not the rise of the merchant traders and the 'Black Death' which started the move of wealth and power away from the Feudal Aristocracy (land) and to the cities and Merchant Princes (money)?"
Capitalist. Revolution.
Two words.  |
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