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Nigel Farage and the NHS
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Posting this here and not in politics ... Farage has just said that private companies should step in to ‘take the burden off the NHS’.
There won’t be a UKIP manisfesto going into the Euro elections but if anyone is contemplating voting UKIP, hope you’re fit and healthy, or very rich and able to afford private healthcare in the future. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Posting this here and not in politics ... Farage has just said that private companies should step in to ‘take the burden off the NHS’.
There won’t be a UKIP manisfesto going into the Euro elections but if anyone is contemplating voting UKIP, hope you’re fit and healthy, or very rich and able to afford private healthcare in the future."
 he's a truly awful human |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes get a job"
Hope you enjoy that £2,000+ bill for riding in an Ambulance then if you ever get into an accident and then the added cost of treatment on top of that. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Posting this here and not in politics ... Farage has just said that private companies should step in to ‘take the burden off the NHS’.
There won’t be a UKIP manisfesto going into the Euro elections but if anyone is contemplating voting UKIP, hope you’re fit and healthy, or very rich and able to afford private healthcare in the future."
Brexit Party.
Not UKIP.
They are even worse.
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
carrbrook stalybridge |
this has been part of farage and his ilks masterplan for years using Brexit as a subterfuge to bring in more of thier rightwing neo liberal economic policys heavily backed by big pharma and the american health insurance companys with the prize being the profitable parts of the NHS |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Yes get a job"
You clearly don’t have a clue how insurance works. Even if your employer was forced to give you a healthcare policy as part of your work contract, it would not (by the nature of insurance generally) include pre-existing conditions.
Remember too that there may well be a wife at home, not working and being a full time Mum - plus dependent children and possibly ageing parents.
The US Healthcare system is championed on (for example) Fox News as being the best Healthcare system in the world - especially compared to the UK’s creaking “Socialist” Healthcare system / otherwise known as the NHS .
The reality for people that are exposed to the US Healthcare system is very, very different especially if you happen to be blighted by a life long health condition. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Over half a million people in the US declare bankruptcy in the US every year fue to medical bills they can’t possibly pay.
Don’t take the NHS for granted, you never know when you might need it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There is no harm in suggesting that those who are able to use private health care should do so, or perhaps that employers should take some responsibility for the health of their staff.
I am a BREXIT Party supporter, and I am damn well proud of it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've never understood how privatisation helps ease the strain of lack of doctors etc. Sure it may help with costs of drugs and equipment but ultimately we need people. And if someone works privately that's one less person working on the NHS. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
People like Farage want out of the EU because they see it as a socialist monstrosity, with its workplace and environmental protections hindering free marketeers.
No-one should be surprised therefore that Farage and his ilk also see the NHS as the socialist monstrosity.
The NHS is the last surviving pillar of the Beveridge Report implemented by the Atlee Government between 1945 and 1949.
Thatcher dismantled the other pillars - council housing, state education, nationalised industry and, in do doing, destroyed the principles behind the welfare state.
Farage wants to finish the job that Thatcher started.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"People like Farage want out of the EU because they see it as a socialist monstrosity, with its workplace and environmental protections hindering free marketeers.
No-one should be surprised therefore that Farage and his ilk also see the NHS as the socialist monstrosity.
The NHS is the last surviving pillar of the Beveridge Report implemented by the Atlee Government between 1945 and 1949.
Thatcher dismantled the other pillars - council housing, state education, nationalised industry and, in do doing, destroyed the principles behind the welfare state.
Farage wants to finish the job that Thatcher started.
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I think you might find that the standard of service to day in Nationised industry's is vastly superior to when they were in state ownership.
What Margaret Thatcher did was give people control over their lives and in additional stopped people being intimidated by trade unionists and bullies.
Society is a lot better because of her .
Everything you have in life has to be earned.
As far as I know education still exists so you can hardly say it has been dismantled .
The cost of the NHS is unsustainable . In both Ireland and France you have to pay to use the health service. Why shod the UK be any different? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There is no harm in suggesting that those who are able to use private health care should do so, or perhaps that employers should take some responsibility for the health of their staff.
I am a BREXIT Party supporter, and I am damn well proud of it."
You may be damn well proud to be a Brexit party supporter but other than Brexit what are you proud to support that the Brexit party support through their manifesto? |
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"There is no harm in suggesting that those who are able to use private health care should do so, or perhaps that employers should take some responsibility for the health of their staff.
I am a BREXIT Party supporter, and I am damn well proud of it."
It's completely dishonest to try and spin it as 'there's nothing wrong with using private health insurance if you can afford to'
That's not what Farage is after. He and his ilk want to privatise the NHS. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Anyone else see a link between Aaron Banks and this, or is it just me that thinks we are being hoodwinked? The nhs is the jewel in the crown and has saved at least three members of my family from early death or disablement and it needs to be cherished rather than predated. We all know that massive businesses take longer to streamline and so there are inefficiencies due to the size of the nhs but giving it over to insurers will just add another layer of profiteering and will only save money by denying treatment to those who cannot afford it. Its a shit way to treat human beings. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You wouldn't buy a used car from him.
He represents everything that is vile on the right of the political spectrum .
The only reason the conservatives haven't sold off the NHS is because they rightly think they will lose power.
They have alwa been about power and have little regard for the common man.
They'll offer the earth to stay in power and they'd watch it burn if it meant winning an election.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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I think you might find that the standard of service to day in Nationised industry's is vastly superior to when they were in state ownership.
What Margaret Thatcher did was give people control over their lives and in additional stopped people being intimidated by trade unionists and bullies.
Society is a lot better because of her .
Everything you have in life has to be earned.
As far as I know education still exists so you can hardly say it has been dismantled .
The cost of the NHS is unsustainable . In both Ireland and France you have to pay to use the health service. Why shod the UK be any different? "
I'm sure the standard is better. That was not the point of nationalisation, however.
The purpose was to create work for everyone who was able, so that social security genuinely was the preserve of those unable (rather than unwilling to work).
You can argue it was inefficient. I do not doubt that from an economic perspective.
What Thatcher did was transfer the burden onto the social security system - no job for life any more, so the state has to pay in another way. UB40s.
What is better - using public funds to pay people to do nothing, or using public funds to pay them for work?
Re the NHS, I am already paying and so is my employer.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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At least Farage is being up front and telling his followers what he believes. Not like the rest of the shower of shites who are quite happy to stealthily privatise the NHS through competitive tender and other nefarious means.
And no I do not agree with him nor do I want any of our public services privatised at all. I think he and his ilk are loathsome but they are tapping into a rich vein of very disenfranchised people.
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"There is no harm in suggesting that those who are able to use private health care should do so, or perhaps that employers should take some responsibility for the health of their staff.
I am a BREXIT Party supporter, and I am damn well proud of it."
With you on the point about workers being looked after with proper legislation in relation to ppe, contracts etc but no be if that has been brought in or wanted by the Tories..
It's good to see a Brexiteer so happy too, most on here have been moaning a lot of late..  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's interesting that some don't like the idea of nationalised industries because private is better. Apart from the fact that we currently have German and dutch nationalised railways companies operating on out network, subsidised by the UK taxpayer and any profits going back to said governments. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Yep.
Largest operator in the North Sea is state-owned.
Largest supplier and generator of electricity in the UK is state-owned.
So many of our rail companies are state-owned.
Just not by the UK state.
And what happens when the UK needs to build nuclear power stations?
It no longer has a state-owned corporation.
So it asks the state-owned corporations of France and China to do it instead.
Ideological madness.
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By *ertwoCouple
over a year ago
omagh |
"Posting this here and not in politics ... Farage has just said that private companies should step in to ‘take the burden off the NHS’.
There won’t be a UKIP manisfesto going into the Euro elections but if anyone is contemplating voting UKIP, hope you’re fit and healthy, or very rich and able to afford private healthcare in the future."
So whats wrong with that get the rich to pay more for private health care and it leaves more NHS space for the rest of us. The UK governments have been doing this for decades. Also UKip is nothing to do with Nigel now. Next point is we will only have more money for the NHS etc if we get out under WTO terms which are fare to both sides and allow trade to flow both directions. Mays list of EU pre demands are not a deal. If they are passed by our MPs the £39 billion is not the total cost we the UK tax payer will pay as many other outsanding items are not included in this list and it states the EU will be free to demand more money from the UK. So facts show it is the EU taking money from our NHS. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"So whats wrong with that get the rich to pay more for private health care and it leaves more NHS space for the rest of us. "
Because everyone who pays NI contributions is already paying for a service free at the point of delivery, including the wealthier people in society.
Exclude them from healthcare and they will demand exemptions from NI contributions.
Its founding principle is universal.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So whats wrong with that get the rich to pay more for private health care and it leaves more NHS space for the rest of us.
Because everyone who pays NI contributions is already paying for a service free at the point of delivery, including the wealthier people in society.
Exclude them from healthcare and they will demand exemptions from NI contributions.
Its founding principle is universal.
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And it only works with non scarce resource. If they take NHS doctors and surgeons and nurses then it leaves less for the rest. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"At least Farage is being up front and telling his followers what he believes. Not like the rest of the shower of shites who are quite happy to stealthily privatise the NHS through competitive tender and other nefarious means.
And no I do not agree with him nor do I want any of our public services privatised at all. I think he and his ilk are loathsome but they are tapping into a rich vein of very disenfranchised people.
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But not willing to put what he believes in a manifesto.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So whats wrong with that get the rich to pay more for private health care and it leaves more NHS space for the rest of us.
Because everyone who pays NI contributions is already paying for a service free at the point of delivery, including the wealthier people in society.
Exclude them from healthcare and they will demand exemptions from NI contributions.
Its founding principle is universal.
And it only works with non scarce resource. If they take NHS doctors and surgeons and nurses then it leaves less for the rest. "
Exactly! So then non urgent and therefore lower cost treatments get farmed out to the private sector leaving the burden of complex and expensive operations being borne largely by the NHS. I have quite a few clients who are consultants for the NHS and they quite cheerfully use the system to their advantage and have no qualms about doing so which I find sticks in my craw a little given how much they earn through the nhs anyway. Unfortunately not every one of them has a saintly attitude to looking after the NHS so although the current situation is a compromise that works to a degree in the long term it will damage the NHS as more and more overworked consultants leave for better working conditions in the USA. I dont blame them but I think they are unwilling to accept that they are creating the problem themselves. Perhaps if we all were a bit better off and paid a bit more tax things would work but nothing this government has done in the last ten years has amounted to anything more than papering over the cracks! |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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And it only works with non scarce resource. If they take NHS doctors and surgeons and nurses then it leaves less for the rest. "
I compare the NHS to schools.
I pay towards the cost of schooling, irrespective whether I have children and/or they go to a private school.
It's the same with the NHS.
You pay into it, irrespective of whether you have private healthcare insurance.
In one sense, the NHS is a victim of its own success.
Look at life expectancy and mortality rates at its foundation in 1945, and compare them with today.
It is very, very successful at keeping more people alive for a lot longer, which in turn consumes more and more resource.
Austerity is another burden on the NHS - remove the safety net from society and usually it is the NHS that has to pick up the pieces with breakdowns etc.
The bean-counters in the Treasury make no allowance for this in their calculations. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There is no harm in suggesting that those who are able to use private health care should do so, or perhaps that employers should take some responsibility for the health of their staff.
I am a BREXIT Party supporter, and I am damn well proud of it."
Brexit is also about helping the little guy.
I cannot see my local butcher, green grocer, brickies ect being able to cover insurance in full for their staff.
They pay their tax even if they do not like the rate to support the NHS.
Pretty sure anyone who can afford private, already uses it pal.
The cost is out of reach for the average man and woman though. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I look at it this way
Do NF, JRM or BJ give a flying fuck about anyone else other than themselves ? No ? Good, thought as much.
If they want to play Lets Return to the Days of Empire when Britannia Ruled the Waves, go find an island far far away and knock yourselves out.
Article by the Guardians political sketch writer, someone who usually gets the mood of Westminster right.
He went to an event attended by Farage at the weekend in Yorkshire, normally Labour stronghold and I quote, “It was one of the most genuinely disturbing political events I’ve ever attended. And Westminster ought to be shit-scared”. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I look at it this way
Do NF, JRM or BJ give a flying fuck about anyone else other than themselves ? No ? Good, thought as much.
If they want to play Lets Return to the Days of Empire when Britannia Ruled the Waves, go find an island far far away and knock yourselves out.
Article by the Guardians political sketch writer, someone who usually gets the mood of Westminster right.
He went to an event attended by Farage at the weekend in Yorkshire, normally Labour stronghold and I quote, “It was one of the most genuinely disturbing political events I’ve ever attended. And Westminster ought to be shit-scared”. "
Agreed. I see it all the time here in Leeds, people echo soundbites from charismatic populists.
Then a GP or nurse asks a serious question, gets a shit reply, presses the question and is ushered away whilst being called a posh twat or rich cunt.
GPs might be well off, but have better lives in private surgeries. Nurses definitely are not posh. |
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By *bernathCouple
over a year ago
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"At least Farage is being up front and telling his followers what he believes. Not like the rest of the shower of shites who are quite happy to stealthily privatise the NHS through competitive tender and other nefarious means.
And no I do not agree with him nor do I want any of our public services privatised at all. I think he and his ilk are loathsome but they are tapping into a rich vein of very disenfranchised people.
But not willing to put what he believes in a manifesto...."
Yeah, he is trying to hide his true intentions, slimy politician, its the classic political trick, because you know he real intentions are far darker and evil than people care to mention, do I have to mention a similar period in history when this happened again?
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Yes get a job"
see.... here is the kicker on the american health system... they will only cover you up to a certain amount...
so lets say you or your good lady wife need a treatment where treatment is long and you need certain drugs...
if you reach your "limit"... they cut you off......
so whether you have "a job" or not, i would not wish that situation on anyone........ |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"At least Farage is being up front and telling his followers what he believes. Not like the rest of the shower of shites who are quite happy to stealthily privatise the NHS through competitive tender and other nefarious means.
And no I do not agree with him nor do I want any of our public services privatised at all. I think he and his ilk are loathsome but they are tapping into a rich vein of very disenfranchised people.
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Where’s his manifesto? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Farage refuses to publish any policies, so Led by Donkeys are back.
Billboards carrying the most vulgar statements made by Farage and Widdecome.
Anti-NHS, anti-mothers, anti-LGBT."
I absolutely love these guys xxx |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"There is no harm in suggesting that those who are able to use private health care should do so, or perhaps that employers should take some responsibility for the health of their staff.
I am a BREXIT Party supporter, and I am damn well proud of it."
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
UKIP was the Anti-Federalist League.
Founded in 1993.
Its manifesto:
"It is a non-sectarian, non-racist party with no prejudices against foreigners or lawful minorities of any kind. It does not recognise the legitimacy of the European parliament and will send representatives only to the British parliament in Westminster."
Fair dos.
Founded by Alan Sked.
He was pushed out in 1997 by Farage, who got rid of the liberal sentiment.
In a 2014 interview with the Guardian, he says the two spoke about candidates for the 97 GE.
"He wanted ex-National Front candidates to run and I said, 'I'm not sure about that,' and he said, 'There's no need to worry about the nigger vote. The nig-nogs will never vote for us.'"
Farage.
According to Sked.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Milkshake thrown at him is to good for him. He is a one nasty bloke. "
It is a criminal offence to throw a milk shake at anyone . Most people prefer to condemn acts of violence.
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Milkshake thrown at him is to good for him. He is a one nasty bloke. It is a criminal offence to throw a milk shake at anyone . Most people prefer to condemn acts of violence.
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Can you even say that with a straight face?
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"Milkshake thrown at him is to good for him. He is a one nasty bloke. It is a criminal offence to throw a milk shake at anyone . Most people prefer to condemn acts of violence.
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But it was funny!!! Did you see him scolding the head of his bodyguards? "That's a complete failure; you could've spotted that in a mile' it gets better: Pictures of him ready toncrey, right after the milkshake was thrown at him. Paul Crowther, bro: he's the man  |
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"Milkshake thrown at him is to good for him. He is a one nasty bloke. It is a criminal offence to throw a milk shake at anyone . Most people prefer to condemn acts of violence.
But it was funny!!! Did you see him scolding the head of his bodyguards? "That's a complete failure; you could've spotted that in a mile' it gets better: Pictures of him ready toncrey, right after the milkshake was thrown at him. Paul Crowther, bro: he's the man "
But it was funny!!! Did you see him scolding the head of his bodyguards? "That's a complete failure; you could've spotted that in a mile" It gets better: Pictures of him ready to cry, right after the milkshake was thrown at him Paul Crowther, bro: he's the man  |
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"Milkshake thrown at him is to good for him. He is a one nasty bloke. It is a criminal offence to throw a milk shake at anyone . Most people prefer to condemn acts of violence.
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Oh Emma such sickening hypocrisy from you..
Still looking to spit on remain voters? |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Milkshake thrown at him is to good for him. He is a one nasty bloke. It is a criminal offence to throw a milk shake at anyone . Most people prefer to condemn acts of violence.
Oh Emma such sickening hypocrisy from you..
Still looking to spit on remain voters? "
Pardon hope your joking,attacking people in this way is wrong and is a criminal offence,it is a non political point |
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"Milkshake thrown at him is to good for him. He is a one nasty bloke. It is a criminal offence to throw a milk shake at anyone . Most people prefer to condemn acts of violence.
Oh Emma such sickening hypocrisy from you..
Still looking to spit on remain voters? Pardon hope your joking,attacking people in this way is wrong and is a criminal offence,it is a non political point"
Spitting is also a criminal offence but your happy in thinking its OK to do that as you recently said..
Btw both are wrong..
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Didnt he say they should get 350mill a week?No he did not,that was Boris
Err yes he did actually "
Well your reading of it is wrong anyway in context it was that this money could be available as it would be the bonus of leaving but you do twist this statement,I knew what it mean. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Didnt he say they should get 350mill a week?No he did not,that was Boris
Err yes he did actually Well your reading of it is wrong anyway in context it was that this money could be available as it would be the bonus of leaving but you do twist this statement,I knew what it mean."
I didn't twist this statement Emma. I just pulled you up because you were telling a porky pie! The man is an opportunist and an inveterate recanter and you are seeking to say he doesnt lie in the same way as his buddy trump does. All politicians lie and your knight in secondhand armour is no better than any of them despite what he says. He is not a maverick or a man of the people, he is a disingenuous trickster and quite unpleasant but you probably think the sun shines out of his orifice! |
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"Didnt he say they should get 350mill a week?No he did not,that was Boris
Err yes he did actually Well your reading of it is wrong anyway in context it was that this money could be available as it would be the bonus of leaving but you do twist this statement,I knew what it mean."
It was a lie....there is no bonus for leaving and we do not give the EU 350m a week. Apart from that, it was accurate  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Didnt he say they should get 350mill a week?No he did not,that was Boris
Err yes he did actually Well your reading of it is wrong anyway in context it was that this money could be available as it would be the bonus of leaving but you do twist this statement,I knew what it mean.
I didn't twist this statement Emma. I just pulled you up because you were telling a porky pie! The man is an opportunist and an inveterate recanter and you are seeking to say he doesnt lie in the same way as his buddy trump does. All politicians lie and your knight in secondhand armour is no better than any of them despite what he says. He is not a maverick or a man of the people, he is a disingenuous trickster and quite unpleasant but you probably think the sun shines out of his orifice! "
That is right and the brexiters fell for his lies. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Didnt he say they should get 350mill a week?No he did not,that was Boris
Err yes he did actually Well your reading of it is wrong anyway in context it was that this money could be available as it would be the bonus of leaving but you do twist this statement,I knew what it mean.
I didn't twist this statement Emma. I just pulled you up because you were telling a porky pie! The man is an opportunist and an inveterate recanter and you are seeking to say he doesnt lie in the same way as his buddy trump does. All politicians lie and your knight in secondhand armour is no better than any of them despite what he says. He is not a maverick or a man of the people, he is a disingenuous trickster and quite unpleasant but you probably think the sun shines out of his orifice! "
For someone whom you describe as being unpleasant he seems to be very popular and has excellent social skills.
His costings are only estimates just like everyone's else's.
In any event my opinion is irrelevant, let's see what the election results are on Sunday.
That is a much better indication of support. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Didnt he say they should get 350mill a week?No he did not,that was Boris
Err yes he did actually Well your reading of it is wrong anyway in context it was that this money could be available as it would be the bonus of leaving but you do twist this statement,I knew what it mean.
I didn't twist this statement Emma. I just pulled you up because you were telling a porky pie! The man is an opportunist and an inveterate recanter and you are seeking to say he doesnt lie in the same way as his buddy trump does. All politicians lie and your knight in secondhand armour is no better than any of them despite what he says. He is not a maverick or a man of the people, he is a disingenuous trickster and quite unpleasant but you probably think the sun shines out of his orifice! For someone whom you describe as being unpleasant he seems to be very popular and has excellent social skills.
His costings are only estimates just like everyone's else's.
In any event my opinion is irrelevant, let's see what the election results are on Sunday.
That is a much better indication of support."
Cue Hitler comment in 3...2...1...
(noone is denying he has support) |
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"There is no harm in suggesting that those who are able to use private health care should do so, or perhaps that employers should take some responsibility for the health of their staff.
I am a BREXIT Party supporter, and I am damn well proud of it."
There is a very real harm in the rich being encouraged down the private health route.
If we all pay tax we all get health care.
If the rich pay separately for health care they will then fight even harder to stop paying taxes. Already part of Farage's unpleasant agenda. |
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By *abioMan
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give farage his weaseley credit... his wasn't the lie on the side of the big red bus....
he did nothing to say it wasn't true during the campaign, and only said it wasn't something he wouldn't offer only hrs after the campaign finished... but the fib in itself wasn't his...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA3XTYfzd1I
the breaking point immigrations smear campaign poster was his though..... and he never apologised for that ...
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"There is no harm in suggesting that those who are able to use private health care should do so, or perhaps that employers should take some responsibility for the health of their staff.
I am a BREXIT Party supporter, and I am damn well proud of it."
Which private healthcare company do you currently use ? |
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