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The Brexit Party - Evolution of the far Right?
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By *bernath OP Couple
over a year ago
Gloucestershire |
There is certain individual that I know,
They Started off in the NF, then moved to the BNP, then Moved to UKIP, Then moved to the Brexit party.
My question is this has anyone noticed its the same faces in far right movement always cropping up in these new parties?
Do you think that there has been a concerted effort to constantly rebrand the Far right movement to make it more palatable to ordinary voters?
So in effect, we get to a point that we end up with a Facist government through the backdoor.
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I think a more pertinent question is what is 'far-right'?
Whilst Nigel and his BREXIT party a far to right for me does that mean it's actually 'far right'? Is wanting to leave the EU really comparable with gassing millions of people? Is believing that the health service may be better funded by some sort of insurance system rather than general taxation in the same category as confiscating people's private property because they're considered 'enemies of the state' due to their effinicity?
I personally think this 'far right' tag is used far to readily to simply label anyone and everyone who happens not to agree with a left of centre view of the world and, as such, cheapens it's meaning.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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The Brexit Party appears to modelling itself on the American right.
That doesn't make it neo-fascist by any stretch of the imagination.
It's problem, I think, is the inadequacy of its vetting, which lets some people on the lunatic fringe of society smuggle themselves into the mainstream.
i characterise the far-right as those occupying places like Britain First, the Robinson fan club and now UKIP.
Their electoral unpopularity is re-assuring.
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Valid points made in that they are not the far right and that they need to sort their vetting out..
They've had to expell several people whose outlook may have been accepted in ukip but this new venture is trying to present something similar yet different..
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"Use far right ....to scare people ...they not far right ...just represent the majority ...."
Not in Peterborough.. 
Nor when you put their numbers against the other parties opposed to their idea in the European election.. |
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Yes ...but we voted 3 years ago got a result that the minority can't deal with ....still onward and upward....out is out ......ps for a party 8 weeks old doing well but need to kick ass and move forward ....pps...how could we have jc as pm .. |
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over a year ago
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"Use far right ....to scare people ...they not far right ...just represent the majority ...."
They really are not the majority!
So lets say you sell more vanilla than chocolate ice cream does that mean that all ice cream has to be vanilla?
I would like to think there’s more variety in taste then that but maybe you prefer Mr Whippy which as we all know isn't real ice cream.
As for the far right - they have learned that wearing smart suits and appearing to be acceptably right of centre is the way to gain power. They keep the thugs in check because they have a vision of a new world where they will have the power to do whatever they like and unfortunately a lot of elderly people find them appealing as they appear to be clean cut and sympathetic to their worries instead of realising they are being used by unscrupulous crooks.  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Use far right ....to scare people ...they not far right ...just represent the majority ...."
well they are negoiating to join the "far right" block in the EU parliament.... if they didn't feel that's where they belonged... would they be persuing it.... |
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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Use far right ....to scare people ...they not far right ...just represent the majority ....
well they are negoiating to join the "far right" block in the EU parliament.... if they didn't feel that's where they belonged... would they be persuing it...."
Which should be interesting for those involved in the party from the far left such as Claire Fox. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I think a more pertinent question is what is 'far-right'?
Whilst Nigel and his BREXIT party a far to right for me does that mean it's actually 'far right'? Is wanting to leave the EU really comparable with gassing millions of people? Is believing that the health service may be better funded by some sort of insurance system rather than general taxation in the same category as confiscating people's private property because they're considered 'enemies of the state' due to their effinicity?
I personally think this 'far right' tag is used far to readily to simply label anyone and everyone who happens not to agree with a left of centre view of the world and, as such, cheapens it's meaning.
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"Use far right ....to scare people ...they not far right ...just represent the majority ...."
I don't think they represent the majority. I think they represent a quite large but very vocal minority of between 1/4 and 1/3 of voters.
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"Yes ...but we voted 3 years ago got a result that the minority can't deal with ....still onward and upward....out is out ......ps for a party 8 weeks old doing well but need to kick ass and move forward ....pps...how could we have jc as pm .."
Well actually that was ukip, not this party and as staunch supporters on here are at pains to say they are not the same..
I personally think they are, just rebranded and trying to move away from the irrelevant bunch of fascists that ukip seems to be morphing into..
Given the cluster fuck that this government have overseen how could we not have Corbyn..
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"Use far right ....to scare people ...they not far right ...just represent the majority ....
well they are negoiating to join the "far right" block in the EU parliament.... if they didn't feel that's where they belonged... would they be persuing it....
Which should be interesting for those involved in the party from the far left such as Claire Fox."
Brexit Party are not joining a far right group.
““Following a brief social meeting with a member of the ENF group last week there has been much speculation, fuelled by that individual, that the Brexit Party will join them in their European Parliament group.”
Mr Farage said: “I can confirm that this is not the case and that the Brexit Party will not be joining the ENF Group.”
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"Yes ...but we voted 3 years ago got a result that the minority can't deal with ....still onward and upward....out is out ......ps for a party 8 weeks old doing well but need to kick ass and move forward ....pps...how could we have jc as pm ..
Well actually that was ukip, not this party and as staunch supporters on here are at pains to say they are not the same..
I personally think they are, just rebranded and trying to move away from the irrelevant bunch of fascists that ukip seems to be morphing into..
Given the cluster fuck that this government have overseen how could we not have Corbyn..
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Problem is many people believe and feel that Corbyn, and with him Labour, are complicit in the BREXIT clusterfuck and genuinely don't see Labour under Corbyn as the solution to the BREXIT conundrum.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No 52% is the correct result figure ...can u accept that the result was 52/48 ...Yes or no ...or do u want to recount or spin it ....result done majority rule get on with it I'm bored "
Yes, I can accept the result although I voted to remain, what type of Brexit did you vote for?? |
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"No 52% is the correct result figure ...can u accept that the result was 52/48 ...Yes or no ...or do u want to recount or spin it ....result done majority rule get on with it I'm bored "
No, I don't accept those figures. The correct figures are 37% to 35% in favour of leaving the EU with a deal better than we have now. There is no mandate from the referendum to leave with 'no deal'
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"No 52% is the correct result figure ...can u accept that the result was 52/48 ...Yes or no ...or do u want to recount or spin it ....result done majority rule get on with it I'm bored "
If thats for me then yes I accepted the result on the day, pretty much all on here who voted remain have done the same and said it..
Accepting the result does not mean people have to agree to it and I do not..
Nothing that anyone on the leave side has shown on here has given any positives at all thus far,cliches and soundbites may satisfy yourself but not I..
Your probably bored because your contributions lack any content, perhaps educate yourself on what you think are the positives a D come back..
Ps, learn to use reply and quote that may be a start.. |
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over a year ago
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"No 52% is the correct result figure ...can u accept that the result was 52/48 ...Yes or no ...or do u want to recount or spin it ....result done majority rule get on with it I'm bored
Yes, I can accept the result although I voted to remain, what type of Brexit did you vote for??"
Nobody can estimate what kind of leave people voted for but all you can gauge it by is what was promised by the leave campaign, we hold all the cards, better deal than we have now, EU begging us for a deal so really by rights we shouldn't have any form of Brexit unless it fulfills that criteria. |
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"Yes ...but we voted 3 years ago got a result that the minority can't deal with ....still onward and upward....out is out ......ps for a party 8 weeks old doing well but need to kick ass and move forward ....pps...how could we have jc as pm ..
Well actually that was ukip, not this party and as staunch supporters on here are at pains to say they are not the same..
I personally think they are, just rebranded and trying to move away from the irrelevant bunch of fascists that ukip seems to be morphing into..
Given the cluster fuck that this government have overseen how could we not have Corbyn..
Problem is many people believe and feel that Corbyn, and with him Labour, are complicit in the BREXIT clusterfuck and genuinely don't see Labour under Corbyn as the solution to the BREXIT conundrum.
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I would to a point go with that view but the facts are that in our political system the other side would have done exactly the same..
What was needed was a government of unity to sort it out but that's not happened since the 1940s..
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"No 52% is the correct result figure ...can u accept that the result was 52/48 ...Yes or no ...or do u want to recount or spin it ....result done majority rule get on with it I'm bored
Yes, I can accept the result although I voted to remain, what type of Brexit did you vote for??
Nobody can estimate what kind of leave people voted for but all you can gauge it by is what was promised by the leave campaign, we hold all the cards, better deal than we have now, EU begging us for a deal so really by rights we shouldn't have any form of Brexit unless it fulfills that criteria. "
That is my point, if the people who opted to leave are totally honest with themselves what they voted for hasn’t happened. It is only the stubborn and selfish who are pushing for a no deal brexit just to prove they haven’t ‘lost ‘  |
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"No 52% is the correct result figure ...can u accept that the result was 52/48 ...Yes or no ...or do u want to recount or spin it ....result done majority rule get on with it I'm bored "
Again, we'd be out of the EU by now if it wasn't for hard-line No Deal Brexiters complaining and pushing for a delay because they want no deal at all. If anyone is to blame for the current state it's your own kind in government. |
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"No 52% is the correct result figure ...can u accept that the result was 52/48 ...Yes or no ...or do u want to recount or spin it ....result done majority rule get on with it I'm bored
If thats for me then yes I accepted the result on the day, pretty much all on here who voted remain have done the same and said it..
Accepting the result does not mean people have to agree to it and I do not..
Nothing that anyone on the leave side has shown on here has given any positives at all thus far,cliches and soundbites may satisfy yourself but not I..
Your probably bored because your contributions lack any content, perhaps educate yourself on what you think are the positives a D come back..
Ps, learn to use reply and quote that may be a start.. "
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Use far right ....to scare people ...they not far right ...just represent the majority ....
I don't think they represent the majority. I think they represent a quite large but very vocal minority of between 1/4 and 1/3 of voters.
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The tories won the election with 27% of the electorate voting for them. Labour came second with about 25%.
So it's feasible, although maybe not likely, that the Brexit party could win the next election.
It's also feasible, but not likely, that they could poll the largest, or second largest, number of votes and yet not have a single MP elected. That really would put the cat amongst the pigeons.
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"There is certain individual that I know,
They Started off in the NF, then moved to the BNP, then Moved to UKIP, Then moved to the Brexit party.
My question is this has anyone noticed its the same faces in far right movement always cropping up in these new parties?
Do you think that there has been a concerted effort to constantly rebrand the Far right movement to make it more palatable to ordinary voters?
So in effect, we get to a point that we end up with a Facist government through the backdoor.
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There is certain individual that I know,
They Started off in the communist party, then moved to the socialist workers party, then Moved to the greens, Then moved to the momentum faction of the labour party.
My question is this has anyone noticed its the same faces in the extreme/far left movement always cropping up in these new parties?
Do you think that there has been a concerted effort to constantly rebrand the extreme/Far left movement to make it more palatable to ordinary voters?
So in effect, we get to a point that we end up with a soviet style communist government through the backdoor.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Labour and conservative supporters switched to The Brexit Party in the European Elections. Does that make Labour far right?
I find it amazing the amount of people who think someone must be far right just because they don't agree with their views  |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Use far right ....to scare people ...they not far right ...just represent the majority ....
I don't think they represent the majority. I think they represent a quite large but very vocal minority of between 1/4 and 1/3 of voters.
The tories won the election with 27% of the electorate voting for them. Labour came second with about 25%.
So it's feasible, although maybe not likely, that the Brexit party could win the next election.
It's also feasible, but not likely, that they could poll the largest, or second largest, number of votes and yet not have a single MP elected. That really would put the cat amongst the pigeons.
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A GE is not a national election but a series of 650 local ones.
If your support is spread evenly, you stand no chance.
Parties that do well are the ones whose support is concentrated.
Two-thirds of Labour votes in 2016 were Remain and two-third of Conservative voters in 2016 were Leave.
So the Conservatives are the party most likely to lose ground to a surge by the Brexit Party.
In some places that will let another party through the middle - Lib Dems or Labour.
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"Labour and conservative supporters switched to The Brexit Party in the European Elections. Does that make Labour far right?
I find it amazing the amount of people who think someone must be far right just because they don't agree with their views "
The fact that Labour and Conservative voters voted for rmtge brexit party doesn't make either of those parties anything except minus x amount of voters.. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"There is certain individual that I know,
They Started off in the NF, then moved to the BNP, then Moved to UKIP, Then moved to the Brexit party.
My question is this has anyone noticed its the same faces in far right movement always cropping up in these new parties?
Do you think that there has been a concerted effort to constantly rebrand the Far right movement to make it more palatable to ordinary voters?
So in effect, we get to a point that we end up with a Facist government through the backdoor.
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Actually, I think it's the far right chasing a "respectable" ultra conservative party around.
Essentially, a party is set up to cater for those with more conservative and less open social views than the Conservative party. Basically those who have a rose tinted view of the Empire, WW2, an over-exagerated view of British "greatness" and importance in the world.
Mostly harmless.
However, over time the extremists infiltrate it only a couple of steps to racism and incoherent anger.
Those who were originally attracted to it no longer want to be associated with it and drift away. The original party is left rapidly crazy.
A party is set up to cater for those with more conservative and less open social views than the Conservative party... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Always bores me to hear the words “far right” used to describe national socialism and fascism, both of which have left wing policies. Indeed the National Front in Britain (what is left of it) is in favour of distribution of wealth, nationalisation of industries, etc,
I’m not saying that makes them any better, just far from far right. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Always bores me to hear the words “far right” used to describe national socialism and fascism, both of which have left wing policies. Indeed the National Front in Britain (what is left of it) is in favour of distribution of wealth, nationalisation of industries, etc,
I’m not saying that makes them any better, just far from far right."
The far left and far right always meet in the middle as far as their effect on the population is concerned. |
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over a year ago
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As someone has said above, what is the Far Right?
There's not been a "Far Right" political party in the UK since the BNP.
UKIP, Brexit Party, Britain First and the EDL are in no way "Far Right" in the opinion of those who consider themselves of the "Far Right". Only those who see themselves of the Left consider these groups to be "Far Right".
One of the many reasons I chuckle to myself when I see the term. It's a lazy slur used to demonize the opposition be whom ever that is.
"Everyone I don't like is a Nazi" is a popular meme because it's so true.
The true "Far Right" in this country are non existent as a politcal party. It's existence is underground and online.
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"Use far right ....to scare people ...they not far right ...just represent the majority ....
well they are negoiating to join the "far right" block in the EU parliament.... if they didn't feel that's where they belonged... would they be persuing it....
Which should be interesting for those involved in the party from the far left such as Claire Fox."
Anyone who thinks Brexit party MEP Claire Fox is 'far right' is clearly an idiot. |
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By *elshyXOMan
over a year ago
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"As someone has said above, what is the Far Right?
There's not been a "Far Right" political party in the UK since the BNP.
UKIP, Brexit Party, Britain First and the EDL are in no way "Far Right" in the opinion of those who consider themselves of the "Far Right". Only those who see themselves of the Left consider these groups to be "Far Right".
One of the many reasons I chuckle to myself when I see the term. It's a lazy slur used to demonize the opposition be whom ever that is.
"Everyone I don't like is a Nazi" is a popular meme because it's so true.
The true "Far Right" in this country are non existent as a politcal party. It's existence is underground and online.
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You say that but today a huge Brexit advocate in the form of Darren Grimes has supported a Tory stance (Tory Brexiteers may I add) of closing Parliament in order to deliver Brexit on their terms (that means nobody having any say but the people at the negotiating table). To shut down/bypass a democratically elected body in order to pass through a bill, let alone something as huge as Brexit is incredible comparable to the Nazi’s & their Enabling Act.
At the time it was passed, the Nazi’s held themselves as the voice of the people (the idea that they were at one with the people & the people were at one with them). The bypassing of any elected body ie parliament meant the Nazis were powered to do as they pleased, whether it was “the will of the people” or not.
Whilst these people say they arent Nazis & their voters say its a lazy slur, the similarities are there for all to see. The blaming of foreign entities, persecution of religion, the manipulation of voters & now the absurd idea of bypassing parliament. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"As someone has said above, what is the Far Right?
There's not been a "Far Right" political party in the UK since the BNP.
UKIP, Brexit Party, Britain First and the EDL are in no way "Far Right" in the opinion of those who consider themselves of the "Far Right". Only those who see themselves of the Left consider these groups to be "Far Right".
One of the many reasons I chuckle to myself when I see the term. It's a lazy slur used to demonize the opposition be whom ever that is.
"Everyone I don't like is a Nazi" is a popular meme because it's so true.
The true "Far Right" in this country are non existent as a politcal party. It's existence is underground and online.
You say that but today a huge Brexit advocate in the form of Darren Grimes has supported a Tory stance (Tory Brexiteers may I add) of closing Parliament in order to deliver Brexit on their terms (that means nobody having any say but the people at the negotiating table). To shut down/bypass a democratically elected body in order to pass through a bill, let alone something as huge as Brexit is incredible comparable to the Nazi’s & their Enabling Act.
At the time it was passed, the Nazi’s held themselves as the voice of the people (the idea that they were at one with the people & the people were at one with them). The bypassing of any elected body ie parliament meant the Nazis were powered to do as they pleased, whether it was “the will of the people” or not.
Whilst these people say they arent Nazis & their voters say its a lazy slur, the similarities are there for all to see. The blaming of foreign entities, persecution of religion, the manipulation of voters & now the absurd idea of bypassing parliament."
Communism ends up doing much the same thing.
The dictatorship of the prolitariate has the state acting in the "best interests" of the people as they are one and the same. Apparently.
As I said, both sides end up meeting in the same place. The starting points are opposite. One egalitarian the other based on the primacy of a specific group.
Both are corrupted equally it would seem.
Hence vanilla, middle ground consensus, compromising politics which everyone claims to detest until they find themselves at either extreme |
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You say that but today a huge Brexit advocate in the form of Darren Grimes has supported a Tory stance (Tory Brexiteers may I add) of closing Parliament in order to deliver Brexit on their terms (that means nobody having any say but the people at the negotiating table). To shut down/bypass a democratically elected body in order to pass through a bill, let alone something as huge as Brexit is incredible comparable to the Nazi’s & their Enabling Act.
At the time it was passed, the Nazi’s held themselves as the voice of the people (the idea that they were at one with the people & the people were at one with them). The bypassing of any elected body ie parliament meant the Nazis were powered to do as they pleased, whether it was “the will of the people” or not.
Whilst these people say they arent Nazis & their voters say its a lazy slur, the similarities are there for all to see. The blaming of foreign entities, persecution of religion, the manipulation of voters & now the absurd idea of bypassing parliament."
Sounds like my type of guy.  |
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By *elshyXOMan
over a year ago
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"As someone has said above, what is the Far Right?
There's not been a "Far Right" political party in the UK since the BNP.
UKIP, Brexit Party, Britain First and the EDL are in no way "Far Right" in the opinion of those who consider themselves of the "Far Right". Only those who see themselves of the Left consider these groups to be "Far Right".
One of the many reasons I chuckle to myself when I see the term. It's a lazy slur used to demonize the opposition be whom ever that is.
"Everyone I don't like is a Nazi" is a popular meme because it's so true.
The true "Far Right" in this country are non existent as a politcal party. It's existence is underground and online.
You say that but today a huge Brexit advocate in the form of Darren Grimes has supported a Tory stance (Tory Brexiteers may I add) of closing Parliament in order to deliver Brexit on their terms (that means nobody having any say but the people at the negotiating table). To shut down/bypass a democratically elected body in order to pass through a bill, let alone something as huge as Brexit is incredible comparable to the Nazi’s & their Enabling Act.
At the time it was passed, the Nazi’s held themselves as the voice of the people (the idea that they were at one with the people & the people were at one with them). The bypassing of any elected body ie parliament meant the Nazis were powered to do as they pleased, whether it was “the will of the people” or not.
Whilst these people say they arent Nazis & their voters say its a lazy slur, the similarities are there for all to see. The blaming of foreign entities, persecution of religion, the manipulation of voters & now the absurd idea of bypassing parliament.
Communism ends up doing much the same thing.
The dictatorship of the prolitariate has the state acting in the "best interests" of the people as they are one and the same. Apparently.
As I said, both sides end up meeting in the same place. The starting points are opposite. One egalitarian the other based on the primacy of a specific group.
Both are corrupted equally it would seem.
Hence vanilla, middle ground consensus, compromising politics which everyone claims to detest until they find themselves at either extreme "
Communism is by no means the answer but I have maintained if your political factions were to pander to the right or the left, its far better for them to pander to the left (allbeit not go all out) |
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Communism is by no means the answer but I have maintained if your political factions were to pander to the right or the left, its far better for them to pander to the left (allbeit not go all out)"
Left, Right. It doesn't matter you end up in the same place with a broken system which creates disenfranchised voters who lean either side moving further towards the extreme.
All roads lead to authoritarianism. Just got to pray the side that wins out is the one who you most identify with.
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By *elshyXOMan
over a year ago
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Communism is by no means the answer but I have maintained if your political factions were to pander to the right or the left, its far better for them to pander to the left (allbeit not go all out)
Left, Right. It doesn't matter you end up in the same place with a broken system which creates disenfranchised voters who lean either side moving further towards the extreme.
All roads lead to authoritarianism. Just got to pray the side that wins out is the one who you most identify with.
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Thats why I think we need something to cause a political shift, Labour & Conservatives are rapidly falling out of favour & are effectively dividing themselves & cosying up to more hardened politics on either side, it does open up some ground for a more social focused politics, sadly though, Lib Dems sold their voters short once before |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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Communism is by no means the answer but I have maintained if your political factions were to pander to the right or the left, its far better for them to pander to the left (allbeit not go all out)
Left, Right. It doesn't matter you end up in the same place with a broken system which creates disenfranchised voters who lean either side moving further towards the extreme.
All roads lead to authoritarianism. Just got to pray the side that wins out is the one who you most identify with.
Thats why I think we need something to cause a political shift, Labour & Conservatives are rapidly falling out of favour & are effectively dividing themselves & cosying up to more hardened politics on either side, it does open up some ground for a more social focused politics, sadly though, Lib Dems sold their voters short once before"
This always seems such an odd sentiment.
The Conservatives and Labour betray us countless times yet we keep going back like an abusive relationship.
The LibDems behave like grown-ups and make the compromises necessary in a global economic crisis to keep things moving yet they sold their voters short and once is too much it seems |
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By *elshyXOMan
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Communism is by no means the answer but I have maintained if your political factions were to pander to the right or the left, its far better for them to pander to the left (allbeit not go all out)
Left, Right. It doesn't matter you end up in the same place with a broken system which creates disenfranchised voters who lean either side moving further towards the extreme.
All roads lead to authoritarianism. Just got to pray the side that wins out is the one who you most identify with.
Thats why I think we need something to cause a political shift, Labour & Conservatives are rapidly falling out of favour & are effectively dividing themselves & cosying up to more hardened politics on either side, it does open up some ground for a more social focused politics, sadly though, Lib Dems sold their voters short once before
This always seems such an odd sentiment.
The Conservatives and Labour betray us countless times yet we keep going back like an abusive relationship.
The LibDems behave like grown-ups and make the compromises necessary in a global economic crisis to keep things moving yet they sold their voters short and once is too much it seems "
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The 2 party system benefits a small political class oozing with elitist thought.
The minute MPs are put on minimum wage is the minute that this class will flee.
Money talks. |
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Communism is by no means the answer but I have maintained if your political factions were to pander to the right or the left, its far better for them to pander to the left (allbeit not go all out)
Left, Right. It doesn't matter you end up in the same place with a broken system which creates disenfranchised voters who lean either side moving further towards the extreme.
All roads lead to authoritarianism. Just got to pray the side that wins out is the one who you most identify with.
Thats why I think we need something to cause a political shift, Labour & Conservatives are rapidly falling out of favour & are effectively dividing themselves & cosying up to more hardened politics on either side, it does open up some ground for a more social focused politics, sadly though, Lib Dems sold their voters short once before"
Did they? You seem to be making the same assumption that quite a few seem to make, that a vote for the LibDems is always a vote against the Conservatives. Where I live traditionally a vote for the LibDems is more often a vote against Labour and definitely not a vote against the Tories.
At the end of the day if you vote LibDem you have traditionally known that, if they have any say at all, they will exert their influence in partnership with either the Labour party or the Conservative party and hopefully moderate the excesses of either. |
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"The 2 party system benefits a small political class oozing with elitist thought.
The minute MPs are put on minimum wage is the minute that this class will flee.
Money talks. "
Yes, let's pay them even less than we pay them now and we're bound to get better people doing the job, aren't we? |
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We make these analogies fairly simple but things aren't usually as simple as we'd like. By just using a 2 dimensional representation left-tight, it's already grossly simplified. These comparison perspectives though depend on your starting reference point - it's subjective.
When you are at Lands End, others seem to be north of you - as you move position, it's less clear. Just a 2D scale can't reflect the nuance that exists politically, though some form of continuum prevails.
Beware the black hole, with distortion and pull
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"As someone has said above, what is the Far Right?
There's not been a "Far Right" political party in the UK since the BNP.
UKIP, Brexit Party, Britain First and the EDL are in no way "Far Right" in the opinion of those who consider themselves of the "Far Right". Only those who see themselves of the Left consider these groups to be "Far Right".
One of the many reasons I chuckle to myself when I see the term. It's a lazy slur used to demonize the opposition be whom ever that is.
"Everyone I don't like is a Nazi" is a popular meme because it's so true.
The true "Far Right" in this country are non existent as a politcal party. It's existence is underground and online.
You say that but today a huge Brexit advocate in the form of Darren Grimes has supported a Tory stance (Tory Brexiteers may I add) of closing Parliament in order to deliver Brexit on their terms (that means nobody having any say but the people at the negotiating table). To shut down/bypass a democratically elected body in order to pass through a bill, let alone something as huge as Brexit is incredible comparable to the Nazi’s & their Enabling Act.
At the time it was passed, the Nazi’s held themselves as the voice of the people (the idea that they were at one with the people & the people were at one with them). The bypassing of any elected body ie parliament meant the Nazis were powered to do as they pleased, whether it was “the will of the people” or not.
Whilst these people say they arent Nazis & their voters say its a lazy slur, the similarities are there for all to see. The blaming of foreign entities, persecution of religion, the manipulation of voters & now the absurd idea of bypassing parliament."
You may say that but when when we start comparisons to 1920's/30's Nazi Germany it is the left (Socialist workers, Momentum Etc.) who are more reminiscent of Hitlers SA (brownshirts) than anything on the right of British politics today. |
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Hitler came to power because he presented himself as the man of the people and raged against traitors within Germany who were impotently respecting the Treaty of Versailles and the parasites (rich Jews) who were stealing the wealth and assets of Germany and its people. His accusations and proclamations of National betrayal were music to the ears of Germans and Austrians who had endured 15 years of austerity since the end of WW1. It was all so simple in theory - end the national humiliation and make Germany great again.
Anyone who cannot see parallels in modern Britain is either blind or deluded.
Britain is in a very dangerous place right now and even today we have leading Conservative contenders claiming that they will end the national betrayal by leaving the EU in the most destructive way possible, closing Parliament and bypassing democratic scrutiny of need be. |
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"Hitler came to power because he presented himself as the man of the people and raged against traitors within Germany who were impotently respecting the Treaty of Versailles and the parasites (rich Jews) who were stealing the wealth and assets of Germany and its people. His accusations and proclamations of National betrayal were music to the ears of Germans and Austrians who had endured 15 years of austerity since the end of WW1. It was all so simple in theory - end the national humiliation and make Germany great again.
Anyone who cannot see parallels in modern Britain is either blind or deluded.
Britain is in a very dangerous place right now and even today we have leading Conservative contenders claiming that they will end the national betrayal by leaving the EU in the most destructive way possible, closing Parliament and bypassing democratic scrutiny of need be. "
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"Hitler came to power because he presented himself as the man of the people and raged against traitors within Germany who were impotently respecting the Treaty of Versailles and the parasites (rich Jews) who were stealing the wealth and assets of Germany and its people. His accusations and proclamations of National betrayal were music to the ears of Germans and Austrians who had endured 15 years of austerity since the end of WW1. It was all so simple in theory - end the national humiliation and make Germany great again.
Anyone who cannot see parallels in modern Britain is either blind or deluded.
Britain is in a very dangerous place right now and even today we have leading Conservative contenders claiming that they will end the national betrayal by leaving the EU in the most destructive way possible, closing Parliament and bypassing democratic scrutiny of need be. "
So has the Modern Left picked up where Hitler left off?
Both sides use the same tactics.
Blame the foreigners, (Right)
Blame the Rich, White Straight males etc etc (Left)
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"The 2 party system benefits a small political class oozing with elitist thought.
The minute MPs are put on minimum wage is the minute that this class will flee.
Money talks.
Yes, let's pay them even less than we pay them now and we're bound to get better people doing the job, aren't we? "
MPs are on minimum wage? Is this a joke?
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"Hitler came to power because he presented himself as the man of the people and raged against traitors within Germany who were impotently respecting the Treaty of Versailles and the parasites (rich Jews) who were stealing the wealth and assets of Germany and its people. His accusations and proclamations of National betrayal were music to the ears of Germans and Austrians who had endured 15 years of austerity since the end of WW1. It was all so simple in theory - end the national humiliation and make Germany great again.
Anyone who cannot see parallels in modern Britain is either blind or deluded.
Britain is in a very dangerous place right now and even today we have leading Conservative contenders claiming that they will end the national betrayal by leaving the EU in the most destructive way possible, closing Parliament and bypassing democratic scrutiny of need be.
So has the Modern Left picked up where Hitler left off?
Both sides use the same tactics.
Blame the foreigners, (Right)
Blame the Rich, White Straight males etc etc (Left)
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So has the Modern Left picked up where Hitler left off?
Both sides use the same tactics.
Blame the foreigners, (Right)
Blame the Rich, White Straight males etc etc (Left)
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Nigel Farage and the increasingly demented Tory Leadership hopefuls are ALL pursuing the election agenda that was successful for Adolf Hitler in 1933 - the parallels are obvious and the ingredients are all the same - National betrayal about an international treaty, blaming foreigners (be it immigrants or the EU) for the problems actually caused by a decade of austerity and the promotion really simple solution to put things right that is fundamentally flawed but music to the ears of those who just want simplicity.
I am really not sure that the "left" whoever they are are "Blaming the Rich, White Straight males etc" considering that the leading "leftist" leader in the UK is rich (relatively speaking), white and straight. I don't see anyone actually blaming straight, white males for anything - but I do perceive that a number of straight, white males feel that their self-importance is more relevant than anything else in the world. It actually has a name - it is called white privilege and it is borne of white exceptionalism. |
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In my opinion these suggestions of proroguing Parliament are the most worrying think I have ever heard from leading members of any political party ever. To allow the executive to force its interpretation of the 'will of the people' on to the country without the consent of the people's directly elected representatives would be a very dangerous precedent. That really would be the ultimate authoritarian dictatorship. The very idea that a single leader knows the 'will of the people' better than 650 directly elected members of parliament is the very antithesis of democracy. |
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"In my opinion these suggestions of proroguing Parliament are the most worrying think I have ever heard from leading members of any political party ever. To allow the executive to force its interpretation of the 'will of the people' on to the country without the consent of the people's directly elected representatives would be a very dangerous precedent. That really would be the ultimate authoritarian dictatorship. The very idea that a single leader knows the 'will of the people' better than 650 directly elected members of parliament is the very antithesis of democracy."
But its ok for the speaker John Bercow (one man) to bend or break centuries of Parliamentary precedent to overturn or frustrate the democratic will of 17.4 million people who voted Leave in 2016 because it suits his and your remain agenda though, is that correct.
For 1 speaker and 650 MP's to block a vote to Leave and to think they know better than 17.4 million people, is the very antithesis of democracy. |
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"As someone has said above, what is the Far Right?
There's not been a "Far Right" political party in the UK since the BNP.
UKIP, Brexit Party, Britain First and the EDL are in no way "Far Right" in the opinion of those who consider themselves of the "Far Right". Only those who see themselves of the Left consider these groups to be "Far Right".
One of the many reasons I chuckle to myself when I see the term. It's a lazy slur used to demonize the opposition be whom ever that is.
"Everyone I don't like is a Nazi" is a popular meme because it's so true.
The true "Far Right" in this country are non existent as a politcal party. It's existence is underground and online.
You say that but today a huge Brexit advocate in the form of Darren Grimes has supported a Tory stance (Tory Brexiteers may I add) of closing Parliament in order to deliver Brexit on their terms (that means nobody having any say but the people at the negotiating table). To shut down/bypass a democratically elected body in order to pass through a bill, let alone something as huge as Brexit is incredible comparable to the Nazi’s & their Enabling Act.
At the time it was passed, the Nazi’s held themselves as the voice of the people (the idea that they were at one with the people & the people were at one with them). The bypassing of any elected body ie parliament meant the Nazis were powered to do as they pleased, whether it was “the will of the people” or not.
Whilst these people say they arent Nazis & their voters say its a lazy slur, the similarities are there for all to see. The blaming of foreign entities, persecution of religion, the manipulation of voters & now the absurd idea of bypassing parliament.
You may say that but when when we start comparisons to 1920's/30's Nazi Germany it is the left (Socialist workers, Momentum Etc.) who are more reminiscent of Hitlers SA (brownshirts) than anything on the right of British politics today. "
Hardly. Id say Britain first, the execrable Tommy Robinson and his ilk are more appropriate comaprisons |
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"In my opinion these suggestions of proroguing Parliament are the most worrying think I have ever heard from leading members of any political party ever. To allow the executive to force its interpretation of the 'will of the people' on to the country without the consent of the people's directly elected representatives would be a very dangerous precedent. That really would be the ultimate authoritarian dictatorship. The very idea that a single leader knows the 'will of the people' better than 650 directly elected members of parliament is the very antithesis of democracy.
But its ok for the speaker John Bercow (one man) to bend or break centuries of Parliamentary precedent to overturn or frustrate the democratic will of 17.4 million people who voted Leave in 2016 because it suits his and your remain agenda though, is that correct.
For 1 speaker and 650 MP's to block a vote to Leave and to think they know better than 17.4 million people, is the very antithesis of democracy. "
I dont think you really understand what parliamentary sovereignty means do you? Have you not grasped the fact that MPs are not delegates, theyre representatives and that is an entirely different thing.
Oh, and if you think acting like a Stuart monarch is the way forward, you really need to give your head a wobble |
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"In my opinion these suggestions of proroguing Parliament are the most worrying think I have ever heard from leading members of any political party ever. To allow the executive to force its interpretation of the 'will of the people' on to the country without the consent of the people's directly elected representatives would be a very dangerous precedent. That really would be the ultimate authoritarian dictatorship. The very idea that a single leader knows the 'will of the people' better than 650 directly elected members of parliament is the very antithesis of democracy.
But its ok for the speaker John Bercow (one man) to bend or break centuries of Parliamentary precedent to overturn or frustrate the democratic will of 17.4 million people who voted Leave in 2016 because it suits his and your remain agenda though, is that correct.
For 1 speaker and 650 MP's to block a vote to Leave and to think they know better than 17.4 million people, is the very antithesis of democracy. "
Bercow hasn't bent or broken Parliamentary precedent in order to do anything, that's just more BREXIT bull. The job of the speaker is to defend The House of Commons from the Crown and Ministers of The Crown and to ensure the the Crown and the Crown's Ministers rule within the will of Parliament.
1 speaker and 650 MPs (actually 1 speaker and 649 MPs) blocking a vote to Leave with 'no deal' is the very essence of a Parliamentary Democracy as the mandate from both the referendum and general election in 2017 was to 'Leave the EU with a deal better than we currently have'. So far no such deal has been put forward by any BREXITER whether from UKIP, BREXIT Party, Tories or Labour.
I really think that the response by many BREXITERS to this idea that we should suspend parliamentary democracy because they simply cannot come up with a decent plan to Leave the EU on the grounds they promised and in away that fulfills the mandate shows that BREXIT was never really about democracy or the return of sovereignty or control to our parliament. An unelected Prime Minister at the head of a minority Government forcing through a policy that no one has voted for is not democracy in any form.
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"Hitler came to power because he presented himself as the man of the people and raged against traitors within Germany who were impotently respecting the Treaty of Versailles and the parasites (rich Jews) who were stealing the wealth and assets of Germany and its people. His accusations and proclamations of National betrayal were music to the ears of Germans and Austrians who had endured 15 years of austerity since the end of WW1. It was all so simple in theory - end the national humiliation and make Germany great again.
Anyone who cannot see parallels in modern Britain is either blind or deluded.
Britain is in a very dangerous place right now and even today we have leading Conservative contenders claiming that they will end the national betrayal by leaving the EU in the most destructive way possible, closing Parliament and bypassing democratic scrutiny of need be.
So has the Modern Left picked up where Hitler left off?
Both sides use the same tactics.
Blame the foreigners, (Right)
Blame the Rich, White Straight males etc etc (Left)
Hitler again? You do make me chuckle "
Yeah its sickening that people cheapen the horrors of 1945 by calling everyone they don't like Hitler or comparing current events to the rise of the National Socialist party.
But hey, at least we'll see the fourth Reich
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So has the Modern Left picked up where Hitler left off?
Both sides use the same tactics.
Blame the foreigners, (Right)
Blame the Rich, White Straight males etc etc (Left)
Nigel Farage and the increasingly demented Tory Leadership hopefuls are ALL pursuing the election agenda that was successful for Adolf Hitler in 1933 - the parallels are obvious and the ingredients are all the same - National betrayal about an international treaty, blaming foreigners (be it immigrants or the EU) for the problems actually caused by a decade of austerity and the promotion really simple solution to put things right that is fundamentally flawed but music to the ears of those who just want simplicity.
I am really not sure that the "left" whoever they are are "Blaming the Rich, White Straight males etc" considering that the leading "leftist" leader in the UK is rich (relatively speaking), white and straight. I don't see anyone actually blaming straight, white males for anything - but I do perceive that a number of straight, white males feel that their self-importance is more relevant than anything else in the world. It actually has a name - it is called white privilege and it is borne of white exceptionalism."
You see what you want to see. It's clear you view the world with rose tinted spectacles.
White Privilege...the idea that Whites cannot fail because of their skin colour. In other words racism.
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So has the Modern Left picked up where Hitler left off?
Both sides use the same tactics.
Blame the foreigners, (Right)
Blame the Rich, White Straight males etc etc (Left)
Nigel Farage and the increasingly demented Tory Leadership hopefuls are ALL pursuing the election agenda that was successful for Adolf Hitler in 1933 - the parallels are obvious and the ingredients are all the same - National betrayal about an international treaty, blaming foreigners (be it immigrants or the EU) for the problems actually caused by a decade of austerity and the promotion really simple solution to put things right that is fundamentally flawed but music to the ears of those who just want simplicity.
I am really not sure that the "left" whoever they are are "Blaming the Rich, White Straight males etc" considering that the leading "leftist" leader in the UK is rich (relatively speaking), white and straight. I don't see anyone actually blaming straight, white males for anything - but I do perceive that a number of straight, white males feel that their self-importance is more relevant than anything else in the world. It actually has a name - it is called white privilege and it is borne of white exceptionalism.
You see what you want to see. It's clear you view the world with rose tinted spectacles.
White Privilege...the idea that Whites cannot fail because of their skin colour. In other words racism.
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"Hitler came to power because he presented himself as the man of the people and raged against traitors within Germany who were impotently respecting the Treaty of Versailles and the parasites (rich Jews) who were stealing the wealth and assets of Germany and its people. His accusations and proclamations of National betrayal were music to the ears of Germans and Austrians who had endured 15 years of austerity since the end of WW1. It was all so simple in theory - end the national humiliation and make Germany great again.
Anyone who cannot see parallels in modern Britain is either blind or deluded.
Britain is in a very dangerous place right now and even today we have leading Conservative contenders claiming that they will end the national betrayal by leaving the EU in the most destructive way possible, closing Parliament and bypassing democratic scrutiny of need be.
So has the Modern Left picked up where Hitler left off?
Both sides use the same tactics.
Blame the foreigners, (Right)
Blame the Rich, White Straight males etc etc (Left)
Hitler again? You do make me chuckle
Yeah its sickening that people cheapen the horrors of 1945 by calling everyone they don't like Hitler or comparing current events to the rise of the National Socialist party.
But hey, at least we'll see the fourth Reich
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You may have to show your workings on this one. I can't see how anyone has written white people can't fail...
I'm mocking the idea of White Privilege; there's discussions outside of Fab, and what I've seen from those who throw around White Privilege is that non Whites are set up to fail because they're not White.
White Privilege is this idea that White People in White countries are born with "invisable" benefits subconsciously given to them from society that Non Whites don't get thus putting them at an advantage in society.
It's attributing negative stigma onto group of people based purely on their skin colour which is racism.
Even if this was true, every group of people receives these benefits from their own countries. You're targeting a group of people based on their race negatively now if this was the other way round then it would most certainly be classed as racism.
I love being White, I cash my White Privilege in every week "
You are funny. Are you saying that ‘white privilege’ doesn’t exist? Do any ethnic groups get ‘preferential’ treatment in Britain?? |
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You are funny, are you trying to be controversial to get attention, "
I enjoy mocking the hysterical and hypocrisy moanings of those who see themselves as saviours of minorities where ever they may be....but only in White countries.
Homosexuals being thrown off buildings in the Middle East? Awful but what about Washington banning the Pride flag from its embassy?
Slavery on going in the Middle East and Asia! Yeah, but the 40 hour week is under threat! #Savemyrights
Women being cut and mutilated in Africa? Oh that's just a cultural thing you bigot.
On going civil war in Ukraine, yeah but the EU has brought peace to Europe for x amount of years Europhobe!
Fake moral outrage for attention and likes. It doesn't affect them in anyway but the more you pretend to care the higher you climb that social totem pole.
I don't know what those who have taken on being offended as a profession get out of it really? |
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You are funny. Are you saying that ‘white privilege’ doesn’t exist? Do any ethnic groups get ‘preferential’ treatment in Britain??"
What I'm saying is the idea of White Privilege is racist.
And if it does exist so what? Unless you're going to criminalise thought you aren't going to stop it from existing.
You're making White People feel bad for being White and Non White people feel bad for not being White.
Should any ethnic groups get any preferential treatment in Britain?
Yeah why not? Minorities are just that, they're not the majority and the majority shouldn't have to bend over backwards to cater for their feelings or failings.
But it's easy for me to say this because I'm a White Male, who has it all on a plate
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You are funny, are you trying to be controversial to get attention,
I enjoy mocking the hysterical and hypocrisy moanings of those who see themselves as saviours of minorities where ever they may be....but only in White countries.
Homosexuals being thrown off buildings in the Middle East? Awful but what about Washington banning the Pride flag from its embassy?
Slavery on going in the Middle East and Asia! Yeah, but the 40 hour week is under threat! #Savemyrights
Women being cut and mutilated in Africa? Oh that's just a cultural thing you bigot.
On going civil war in Ukraine, yeah but the EU has brought peace to Europe for x amount of years Europhobe!
Fake moral outrage for attention and likes. It doesn't affect them in anyway but the more you pretend to care the higher you climb that social totem pole.
I don't know what those who have taken on being offended as a profession get out of it really? "
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You are funny. Are you saying that ‘white privilege’ doesn’t exist? Do any ethnic groups get ‘preferential’ treatment in Britain??
What I'm saying is the idea of White Privilege is racist.
And if it does exist so what? Unless you're going to criminalise thought you aren't going to stop it from existing.
You're making White People feel bad for being White and Non White people feel bad for not being White.
Should any ethnic groups get any preferential treatment in Britain?
Yeah why not? Minorities are just that, they're not the majority and the majority shouldn't have to bend over backwards to cater for their feelings or failings.
But it's easy for me to say this because I'm a White Male, who has it all on a plate
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Can’t we have equality? You are funny "
No amount of head starts or hand outs are going to make individuals equal to one another.
So no. Equality is for the weak willed.
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You may have to show your workings on this one. I can't see how anyone has written white people can't fail...
I'm mocking the idea of White Privilege; there's discussions outside of Fab, and what I've seen from those who throw around White Privilege is that non Whites are set up to fail because they're not White.
White Privilege is this idea that White People in White countries are born with "invisable" benefits subconsciously given to them from society that Non Whites don't get thus putting them at an advantage in society.
It's attributing negative stigma onto group of people based purely on their skin colour which is racism.
Even if this was true, every group of people receives these benefits from their own countries. You're targeting a group of people based on their race negatively now if this was the other way round then it would most certainly be classed as racism.
I love being White, I cash my White Privilege in every week "
The poster commented that “rich, white, straight males” were being targeted and blamed by “leftists.” You have somehow chosen to twist the answer given whilst not even acknowledging that equality should be the de facto normal in the UK, in Europe and indeed throughout the world.
Brexit is a symptom of English Exceptionalism, Trump is a symptom of white American exceptionalism - the language and the message is the same - fighting to get back something that is seemingly being lost because of multi-cultures/political correctness/immigration etc etc
“Rich, straight, white makes” are simply not being targeted - it is just that many seem to feel hard done by - so if it isn’t fighting for white privileged - what is it? |
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The poster commented that “rich, white, straight males” were being targeted and blamed by “leftists.” You have somehow chosen to twist the answer given whilst not even acknowledging that equality should be the de facto normal in the UK, in Europe and indeed throughout the world.
Brexit is a symptom of English Exceptionalism, Trump is a symptom of white American exceptionalism - the language and the message is the same - fighting to get back something that is seemingly being lost because of multi-cultures/political correctness/immigration etc etc
“Rich, straight, white makes” are simply not being targeted - it is just that many seem to feel hard done by - so if it isn’t fighting for white privileged - what is it?"
Why do you hate Straight White Males?
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Can’t we have equality? You are funny
No amount of head starts or hand outs are going to make individuals equal to one another.
So no. Equality is for the weak willed.
And I don't even need to try, peak clown world "
Can you give us your demographic listing of who is most deserving and who is least deserving?
If there is going to be no such thing as equality, then there must be a list of privilege - who is at the top and who is at the bottom? Do we even accept that women are as worthy as men these days? Are Asian men above black women or below?
Truly, how can you not accept the concept of equality? |
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The poster commented that “rich, white, straight males” were being targeted and blamed by “leftists.” You have somehow chosen to twist the answer given whilst not even acknowledging that equality should be the de facto normal in the UK, in Europe and indeed throughout the world.
Brexit is a symptom of English Exceptionalism, Trump is a symptom of white American exceptionalism - the language and the message is the same - fighting to get back something that is seemingly being lost because of multi-cultures/political correctness/immigration etc etc
“Rich, straight, white makes” are simply not being targeted - it is just that many seem to feel hard done by - so if it isn’t fighting for white privileged - what is it?
Why do you hate Straight White Males?
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Are you on something this morning? Why don’t you read the actual thread instead of creating your own hysteria.
A poster above suggested that “rich, straight, white males” were being targeted by leftists. They suggested that it was not actually the far right who who are currently following the same principles as the National Socialists did in 1933 Germany. No, they suggested that it was the left who were following on by targeting “rich, straight, white males.” This despite the leader of the UK’s main leftist party being relatively rich, white and straight. |
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Can you give us your demographic listing of who is most deserving and who is least deserving?
If there is going to be no such thing as equality, then there must be a list of privilege - who is at the top and who is at the bottom? Do we even accept that women are as worthy as men these days? Are Asian men above black women or below?
Truly, how can you not accept the concept of equality?"
The concept of equality is a social construct. In other words it's not found any where in nature so no I most definitely do not accept it.
Hierarchical societies on the other hand are found in nature.
Hierarchical societies have mostly worked for thousands of years, well enough for us to remain the dominant species on this planet anyways.
The idea that any two individuals are equal to one another is fantasy born out of pity.
Rich Straight White Males at the top!
The Owen Jones of the world right at the bottom
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By (user no longer on site)
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Are you on something this morning? Why don’t you read the actual thread instead of creating your own hysteria.
A poster above suggested that “rich, straight, white males” were being targeted by leftists. They suggested that it was not actually the far right who who are currently following the same principles as the National Socialists did in 1933 Germany. No, they suggested that it was the left who were following on by targeting “rich, straight, white males.” This despite the leader of the UK’s main leftist party being relatively rich, white and straight."
I am that same poster. So maybe take your own advice and read the thread. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Can’t we have equality? You are funny
No amount of head starts or hand outs are going to make individuals equal to one another.
So no. Equality is for the weak willed.
And I don't even need to try, peak clown world "
The weak willed? Clown world? you are funny :- |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's definitely the year of the clown .We had Tommy throbbingson and Aragon of a azkkaban and of course our Nigel losing again.
The brexit circus was in town until the wheels came of the clown bus.
Peak brexit has come to pass..
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's definitely the year of the clown .We had Tommy throbbingson and Aragon of a azkkaban and of course our Nigel losing again.
The brexit circus was in town until the wheels came of the clown bus.
Peak brexit has come to pass..
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Clowns are funny though |
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"It's definitely the year of the clown .We had Tommy throbbingson and Aragon of a azkkaban and of course our Nigel losing again.
The brexit circus was in town until the wheels came of the clown bus.
Peak brexit has come to pass..
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Oh, did I miss the announcement of a second referendum?
But yes, the handling of Brexit has made Britain the laughing stock on the mainland.
Ditch the Pound and join the Euro I do say jolly old chap! |
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"It's definitely the year of the clown .We had Tommy throbbingson and Aragon of a azkkaban and of course our Nigel losing again.
The brexit circus was in town until the wheels came of the clown bus.
Peak brexit has come to pass..
Oh, did I miss the announcement of a second referendum?
But yes, the handling of Brexit has made Britain the laughing stock on the mainland.
Ditch the Pound and join the Euro I do say jolly old chap! "
Do you agree with LGBT movement?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's definitely the year of the clown .We had Tommy throbbingson and Aragon of a azkkaban and of course our Nigel losing again.
The brexit circus was in town until the wheels came of the clown bus.
Peak brexit has come to pass..
Clowns are funny though "
Especially with a pie in the face.Or similar. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Do you agree with LGBT movement??"
The simply answer is this; What consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes is not my concern nor should it be the governments.
You'd have to be a bit more specific as I'm not familiar with the current aims of the movement as it isn't an interest of mine.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Do you agree with LGBT movement??
The simply answer is this; What consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes is not my concern nor should it be the governments.
You'd have to be a bit more specific as I'm not familiar with the current aims of the movement as it isn't an interest of mine.
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LGBT celebrate pride, diversity, individuality, sexuality and promote equality |
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By (user no longer on site)
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LGBT celebrate pride, diversity, individuality, sexuality and promote equality "
Bit indifferent then...as long as no one is going to prison for their sexuality then I can't say I'm an active supporter. |
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LGBT celebrate pride, diversity, individuality, sexuality and promote equality
Bit indifferent then...as long as no one is going to prison for their sexuality then I can't say I'm an active supporter. "
I see, you don’t agree with their aims? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I see, you don’t agree with their aims?
What are their aims? Buzzwords copied from wikipedia aren't aims. "
Ok, you are struggling here, I will make this simple for you, one of their aims is to promote equality? Do you think that is a good idea? Yes or no answer will suffice |
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Ok, you are struggling here, I will make this simple for you, one of their aims is to promote equality? Do you think that is a good idea? Yes or no answer will suffice "
I don't believe in Equality so no. |
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Ok, you are struggling here, I will make this simple for you, one of their aims is to promote equality? Do you think that is a good idea? Yes or no answer will suffice
I don't believe in Equality so no. "
Can you define equality? In your own words please, I know this might be difficult for you |
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As I see it; Equality is the utopian ideal that everyone should be given the same opportunities regardless of their differences be it biological, social, religious or cultural.
And that everyone should be treated the same under the law.
What is equality to you?
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"As I see it; Equality is the utopian ideal that everyone should be given the same opportunities regardless of their differences be it biological, social, religious or cultural.
And that everyone should be treated the same under the law.
What is equality to you?
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Equality is ensuring individuals or groups of individuals are not treated differently or less favourably , on the basis of their specific protected characteristic, including areas of race, gender, disability, religion or belief, sexual orientation and age. |
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"As I see it; Equality is the utopian ideal that everyone should be given the same opportunities regardless of their differences be it biological, social, religious or cultural.
And that everyone should be treated the same under the law.
What is equality to you?
Equality is ensuring individuals or groups of individuals are not treated differently or less favourably , on the basis of their specific protected characteristic, including areas of race, gender, disability, religion or belief, sexual orientation and age. "
Nice copy and paste.
Yeah I don't believe any of that...it goes completely against diversity of thought and individualism.
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"As I see it; Equality is the utopian ideal that everyone should be given the same opportunities regardless of their differences be it biological, social, religious or cultural.
And that everyone should be treated the same under the law.
What is equality to you?
Equality is ensuring individuals or groups of individuals are not treated differently or less favourably , on the basis of their specific protected characteristic, including areas of race, gender, disability, religion or belief, sexual orientation and age.
Nice copy and paste.
Yeah I don't believe any of that...it goes completely against diversity of thought and individualism.
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Ironically, I copy and pasted it from the same site as you use. I am guessing you are self or unemployed?? |
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Equality is ensuring individuals or groups of individuals are not treated differently or less favourably , on the basis of their specific protected characteristic, including areas of race, gender, disability, religion or belief, sexual orientation and age.
Nice copy and paste.
Yeah I don't believe any of that...it goes completely against diversity of thought and individualism.
Ironically, I copy and pasted it from the same site as you use. I am guessing you are self or unemployed??"
Please enlighten me on which site I used to put forth my idea of what equality is? I'd be interested to know.
You'd guess wrong. |
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Equality is ensuring individuals or groups of individuals are not treated differently or less favourably , on the basis of their specific protected characteristic, including areas of race, gender, disability, religion or belief, sexual orientation and age.
Nice copy and paste.
Yeah I don't believe any of that...it goes completely against diversity of thought and individualism.
Ironically, I copy and pasted it from the same site as you use. I am guessing you are self or unemployed??
Please enlighten me on which site I used to put forth my idea of what equality is? I'd be interested to know.
You'd guess wrong. "
Wikipedia , all your copied quotes are on there. Have you heard of the equality Act 2010? It has become obvious that you have and never will have a management position?? |
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Equality is ensuring individuals or groups of individuals are not treated differently or less favourably , on the basis of their specific protected characteristic, including areas of race, gender, disability, religion or belief, sexual orientation and age.
Nice copy and paste.
Yeah I don't believe any of that...it goes completely against diversity of thought and individualism.
Ironically, I copy and pasted it from the same site as you use. I am guessing you are self or unemployed??
Please enlighten me on which site I used to put forth my idea of what equality is? I'd be interested to know.
You'd guess wrong.
Wikipedia , all your copied quotes are on there. Have you heard of the equality Act 2010? It has become obvious that you have and never will have a management position?? "
Ouch...wrong again?
Copied quotes? please send the link to the copied quote that I used for my definition of equality. I'll wait.
Would you like to stop projecting now? It's painful to watch.
Shall we compare wages, work life balance, house/car, holidays per year and total debt?
Don't believe everything they give you at indoctrination camp. |
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Equality is ensuring individuals or groups of individuals are not treated differently or less favourably , on the basis of their specific protected characteristic, including areas of race, gender, disability, religion or belief, sexual orientation and age.
Nice copy and paste.
Yeah I don't believe any of that...it goes completely against diversity of thought and individualism.
Ironically, I copy and pasted it from the same site as you use. I am guessing you are self or unemployed??
Please enlighten me on which site I used to put forth my idea of what equality is? I'd be interested to know.
You'd guess wrong.
Wikipedia , all your copied quotes are on there. Have you heard of the equality Act 2010? It has become obvious that you have and never will have a management position??
Ouch...wrong again?
Copied quotes? please send the link to the copied quote that I used for my definition of equality. I'll wait.
Would you like to stop projecting now? It's painful to watch.
Shall we compare wages, work life balance, house/car, holidays per year and total debt?
Don't believe everything they give you at indoctrination camp. "
Unable or won’t answer? Have you heard of the Equality Act 2010?
Copied from Wikipedia
Equality is the utopian ideal that everyone should be given the same opportunities regardless of their differences be it biological, social, religious or cultural.
And that everyone should be treated the same under the law.
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I always find it odd that many who seem to promote a meritocry, or hierachal, society are happy some get there because they share attributes with others in society, rather than their own merits. Or because their great great grandparents did well, they should continue to do so. |
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Unable or won’t answer? Have you heard of the Equality Act 2010?
Copied from Wikipedia
Equality is the utopian ideal that everyone should be given the same opportunities regardless of their differences be it biological, social, religious or cultural.
And that everyone should be treated the same under the law.
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Yeah I've heard of it. What's your point? 'It's the law' ???
Putting "copied from wikipedia"
Doesn't make it so.
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"I always find it odd that many who seem to promote a meritocry, or hierachal, society are happy some get there because they share attributes with others in society, rather than their own merits. Or because their great great grandparents did well, they should continue to do so. "
So should White people feel guilty for slavery, colonialism and genocide? |
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Unable or won’t answer? Have you heard of the Equality Act 2010?
Copied from Wikipedia
Equality is the utopian ideal that everyone should be given the same opportunities regardless of their differences be it biological, social, religious or cultural.
And that everyone should be treated the same under the law.
Yeah I've heard of it. What's your point? 'It's the law' ???
Putting "copied from wikipedia"
Doesn't make it so.
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Why are you so ashamed of copying from Wikipedia?
Correct, The Equality Act 2010 is the law, I assume you adhere to this law whilst at work, you must have done a course on it? I just want to clarify that you know what equality is, if you get confused try Wikipedia again |
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"I always find it odd that many who seem to promote a meritocry, or hierachal, society are happy some get there because they share attributes with others in society, rather than their own merits. Or because their great great grandparents did well, they should continue to do so.
So should White people feel guilty for slavery, colonialism and genocide? "
I do, I am proud to be British for many reasons and also ashamed to be British for other reasons . Do you ignore what happened in the past ? |
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Why are you so ashamed of copying from Wikipedia?
Correct, The Equality Act 2010 is the law, I assume you adhere to this law whilst at work, you must have done a course on it? I just want to clarify that you know what equality is, if you get confused try Wikipedia again "
I'd own up to it if I had used wikipedia there's nothing wrong with using wikipedia but you asked me for what equality was in my own words and that's actually what I gave you.
Do I adhere to the law at work? Depends if it's practical to the situation at hand. Health and Safety always suffers due to the impractical of some of the legislation.
Also the workforce is 99% White and male. No issues with equality laws. |
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Why are you so ashamed of copying from Wikipedia?
Correct, The Equality Act 2010 is the law, I assume you adhere to this law whilst at work, you must have done a course on it? I just want to clarify that you know what equality is, if you get confused try Wikipedia again
I'd own up to it if I had used wikipedia there's nothing wrong with using wikipedia but you asked me for what equality was in my own words and that's actually what I gave you.
Do I adhere to the law at work? Depends if it's practical to the situation at hand. Health and Safety always suffers due to the impractical of some of the legislation.
Also the workforce is 99% White and male. No issues with equality laws. "
, how do you know it’s 99%? |
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So should White people feel guilty for slavery, colonialism and genocide?
I do, I am proud to be British for many reasons and also ashamed to be British for other reasons . Do you ignore what happened in the past ?"
You feel guilty for something that you had no hand in?
I acknowledge that these events took place. Do I feel guilt or shame for it? No, No one should feel a collective guilt for the past actions of others judged by society's standards of today.
It's cute you carry that baggage in your life though. So stunning, so brave. |
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So should White people feel guilty for slavery, colonialism and genocide?
I do, I am proud to be British for many reasons and also ashamed to be British for other reasons . Do you ignore what happened in the past ?
You feel guilty for something that you had no hand in?
I acknowledge that these events took place. Do I feel guilt or shame for it? No, No one should feel a collective guilt for the past actions of others judged by society's standards of today.
It's cute you carry that baggage in your life though. So stunning, so brave. "
What are your feelings towards slavery? No feelings?? What are your feelings about genocide? No feelings? What are your feelings about homosexuals being imprisoned ? No feelings?? |
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, how do you know it’s 99%? "
Because our work force totals 2071 over a 4 shift system of those we have 2 guys of African origin, 5 Japenese blokes and 11 women mainly in engineering roles.
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"I always find it odd that many who seem to promote a meritocry, or hierachal, society are happy some get there because they share attributes with others in society, rather than their own merits. Or because their great great grandparents did well, they should continue to do so.
So should White people feel guilty for slavery, colonialism and genocide? "
Did I say that?
We should recognise that our world was built on practices we no longer recognise as being appropriate. And we have benefited from these practices. Possibly more than others.
Where I may feel uncomfortable is if this headstart is not just persisted, but exaggerated, because I'm given preference just because I'm white and male. I'm hugely lucky to be born into the western world and all its benefits. However they came about. But maybe I'd like to think my own success is because of me and my contribution. Rather than relying on previous generations pulling me along and I'm just riding their slipstream. |
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, how do you know it’s 99%?
Because our work force totals 2071 over a 4 shift system of those we have 2 guys of African origin, 5 Japenese blokes and 11 women mainly in engineering roles.
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Wow, you counted?? No disabled employees? Are you the only bisexual employee there?? |
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What are your feelings towards slavery? No feelings?? What are your feelings about genocide? No feelings? What are your feelings about homosexuals being imprisoned ? No feelings?? "
No one should be imprisoned for their sexuality. So that's my feelings on that, nor should they come to harm.
Slavery? A practice that's still ongoing which is shameful, everyone should be paid for their work and be able to provide for themselves.
Genocide? The evil side of humanity very animalistic but who am I to tell the Tribes in the Middle East and Africa to stop doing it? Be hypocritical considering Britain's history.
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, how do you know it’s 99%?
Because our work force totals 2071 over a 4 shift system of those we have 2 guys of African origin, 5 Japenese blokes and 11 women mainly in engineering roles.
Wow, you counted?? No disabled employees? Are you the only bisexual employee there?? "
No, I'm just privileged to have that information due to the position I am in at work. No disabled employees, unsure why but maybe because it's a fast paced heavy industry.
I'm unsure of the sexuality of all 2071 employees but I know of a few homosexuals and Bisexuals. 1 female and 5 males that I know of personally. |
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What are your feelings towards slavery? No feelings?? What are your feelings about genocide? No feelings? What are your feelings about homosexuals being imprisoned ? No feelings??
No one should be imprisoned for their sexuality. So that's my feelings on that, nor should they come to harm.
Slavery? A practice that's still ongoing which is shameful, everyone should be paid for their work and be able to provide for themselves.
Genocide? The evil side of humanity very animalistic but who am I to tell the Tribes in the Middle East and Africa to stop doing it? Be hypocritical considering Britain's history.
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And what are your feelings towards the laws that allowed homosexuals to be persecuted? No feelings? No shame that 53 years ago homosexuality was against the law in this country ? No feelings? |
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, how do you know it’s 99%?
Because our work force totals 2071 over a 4 shift system of those we have 2 guys of African origin, 5 Japenese blokes and 11 women mainly in engineering roles.
Wow, you counted?? No disabled employees? Are you the only bisexual employee there??
No, I'm just privileged to have that information due to the position I am in at work. No disabled employees, unsure why but maybe because it's a fast paced heavy industry.
I'm unsure of the sexuality of all 2071 employees but I know of a few homosexuals and Bisexuals. 1 female and 5 males that I know of personally. "
So your guessing at 99%? Do you know the religion of all your employees? |
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So your guessing at 99%? Do you know the religion of all your employees? "
99% is the rounded figure of the work force.
I'm actually unsure about the religious make up of the work force. I'm not in HR. |
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So your guessing at 99%? Do you know the religion of all your employees?
99% is the rounded figure of the work force.
I'm actually unsure about the religious make up of the work force. I'm not in HR."
Ok, tbh I think you are making these figures up, why would you be privy to this information if you don’t work in HR? I can smell bull shit |
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And what are your feelings towards the laws that allowed homosexuals to be persecuted? No feelings? No shame that 53 years ago homosexuality was against the law in this country ? No feelings? "
Checks feelings...nope nothing, before my time. |
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And what are your feelings towards the laws that allowed homosexuals to be persecuted? No feelings? No shame that 53 years ago homosexuality was against the law in this country ? No feelings?
Checks feelings...nope nothing, before my time. "
Your so funny, such a tough guy, so cute |
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So your guessing at 99%? Do you know the religion of all your employees?
99% is the rounded figure of the work force.
I'm actually unsure about the religious make up of the work force. I'm not in HR.
Ok, tbh I think you are making these figures up, why would you be privy to this information if you don’t work in HR? I can smell bull shit "
Because and this may come to a complete shock to you, managers, team leaders and supervisors in this industry have to allocate our shifts to different sections within the plant and it's all on our system portals. We put holidays in, account for shift swaps and illnesses.
Sorry Bro, are you self employed or unemployed? |
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Your so funny, such a tough guy, so cute "
It's nice that you feel the need to be in touch with your feminine side to appeal to the ladies...whatever works for you Bro. Be you. |
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So your guessing at 99%? Do you know the religion of all your employees?
99% is the rounded figure of the work force.
I'm actually unsure about the religious make up of the work force. I'm not in HR.
Ok, tbh I think you are making these figures up, why would you be privy to this information if you don’t work in HR? I can smell bull shit
Because and this may come to a complete shock to you, managers, team leaders and supervisors in this industry have to allocate our shifts to different sections within the plant and it's all on our system portals. We put holidays in, account for shift swaps and illnesses.
Sorry Bro, are you self employed or unemployed? "
I hadn’t realised that when you allocate shifts a persons sexuality and ethnicity is written next to their name . I am self employed , sis. I do hope you adhere to the Equality Act 2010 when your cleaning those toilets |
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Your so funny, such a tough guy, so cute
It's nice that you feel the need to be in touch with your feminine side to appeal to the ladies...whatever works for you Bro. Be you. "
Your funny , sis, I am sure the tough guy act hides your inner insecurities . |
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I hadn’t realised that when you allocate shifts a persons sexuality and ethnicity is written next to their name . I am self employed , sis. I do hope you adhere to the Equality Act 2010 when your cleaning those toilets "
Hmmm someone needs to learn how to read because in regards to the sexuality comment I did say I know of these people personally.
And again with the ethnicity question, I don't walk around with my eyes closed while at work.
No shame in being a plumber if that's what you do. Don't worry kiddo
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Your so funny, such a tough guy, so cute
It's nice that you feel the need to be in touch with your feminine side to appeal to the ladies...whatever works for you Bro. Be you.
Your funny , sis, I am sure the tough guy act hides your inner insecurities . "
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I hadn’t realised that when you allocate shifts a persons sexuality and ethnicity is written next to their name . I am self employed , sis. I do hope you adhere to the Equality Act 2010 when your cleaning those toilets
Hmmm someone needs to learn how to read because in regards to the sexuality comment I did say I know of these people personally.
And again with the ethnicity question, I don't walk around with my eyes closed while at work.
No shame in being a plumber if that's what you do. Don't worry kiddo
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Ah, so you know all 2017 employees, they all work on the shop floor? |
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Ah, so you know all 2017 employees, they all work on the shop floor? "
2071. And yes I know them all personally and their families. Close knit family company |
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Ah, so you know all 2017 employees, they all work on the shop floor?
2071. And yes I know them all personally and their families. Close knit family company "
Haha haha, your so funny. Anyway , I know you spend all day and night on here but I have a life. Thanks for being my play thing , I hope you get a meet on here one day |
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Haha haha, your so funny. Anyway , I know you spend all day and night on here but I have a life. Thanks for being my play thing , I hope you get a meet on here one day "
Haven't you used that joke before? Original my guy, funnily enough I'm in Manchester this weekend why don't you be my first?
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They don't make the far right like the used to.They seem to be getting more irrelevant daily.
They need a charismatic leader before obscurity beckons.
There's better sport elsewhere I find these days...
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" They don't make the far right like the used to.They seem to be getting more irrelevant daily.
They need a charismatic leader before obscurity beckons.
There's better sport elsewhere I find these days...
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Irrelevant? That's why in nearly every thread there's this constant fear of the "far right".
Gone are the days of NF marches...oops sorry they were in London recently with the star of David flying
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" They don't make the far right like the used to.They seem to be getting more irrelevant daily.
They need a charismatic leader before obscurity beckons.
There's better sport elsewhere I find these days...
Irrelevant? That's why in nearly every thread there's this constant fear of the "far right".
Gone are the days of NF marches...oops sorry they were in London recently with the star of David flying
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Yes irrelevant and I think the country weighed and measured them and found them lacking substance and character. How did your mate tommy and arzgon azkban do.Or the any other kippers.Theyve all dropped off the radar.
Unless you find a charismatic leader and unite under one banner its all over.
Dude even the greens are beating the AFD in Germany . It's all very amusing .Youll be fine .Fee hugs from bob
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" They don't make the far right like the used to.They seem to be getting more irrelevant daily.
They need a charismatic leader before obscurity beckons.
There's better sport elsewhere I find these days...
Irrelevant? That's why in nearly every thread there's this constant fear of the "far right".
Gone are the days of NF marches...oops sorry they were in London recently with the star of David flying
Yes irrelevant and I think the country weighed and measured them and found them lacking substance and character. How did your mate tommy and arzgon azkban do.Or the any other kippers.Theyve all dropped off the radar.
Unless you find a charismatic leader and unite under one banner its all over.
Dude even the greens are beating the AFD in Germany . It's all very amusing .Youll be fine .Fee hugs from bob
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Free hugs are good hugs.
The solution isn't politcal either
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" They don't make the far right like the used to.They seem to be getting more irrelevant daily.
They need a charismatic leader before obscurity beckons.
There's better sport elsewhere I find these days...
Irrelevant? That's why in nearly every thread there's this constant fear of the "far right".
Gone are the days of NF marches...oops sorry they were in London recently with the star of David flying
Yes irrelevant and I think the country weighed and measured them and found them lacking substance and character. How did your mate tommy and arzgon azkban do.Or the any other kippers.Theyve all dropped off the radar.
Unless you find a charismatic leader and unite under one banner its all over.
Dude even the greens are beating the AFD in Germany . It's all very amusing .Youll be fine .Fee hugs from bob
Free hugs are good hugs.
The solution isn't politcal either
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Your capitulation is the only solution I can see.Youll be fine though.Chin up. |
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"Use far right ....to scare people ...they not far right ...just represent the majority ...."
So.... Why didn't the majority vote BP in Peterborough bi election?
Or are you talking about a different type of majority that is more Faragesque? |
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"Use far right ....to scare people ...they not far right ...just represent the majority ....
So.... Why didn't the majority vote BP in Peterborough bi election?
Or are you talking about a different type of majority that is more Faragesque? "
if you add up TBP and the tory vite they won the champions league or something |
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