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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Have you followed this story?
A top-secret, nuclear-powered submersible carrying lots of top brass from the Russian Navy.
It's tethered to a mother submarine and is operated by the Defence Ministry's undersea intelligence unit.
It's specially designed to withstand water pressures down to 6000 metres - it does secret things on the seabed, apparently.
A fire on board has killed at least 14. At least half the dead were the ranks of captain or higher.
Russia won't give details, calling it a "state secret".
The Norwegians say there are no unusual radiation readings around the Barents Sea where it was operating.
Suggestions coming out of the USA say it may have been engaged in a firefight by a US submarine.
Talk of emergency meetings in Washington and Moscow have been played down.
Lots of questions, no-one is answering.
Vladimir won't be pleased.
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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Officially, I do not think they have said very much.
The Kremlin is having to react to unofficial reports in the Russian media.
This is from Bellona, the credible environmental organisation in Norway:
"The ministry has released nothing on the state of the vessel’s single nuclear reactor. But Norway’s Radiation and Nuclear Safety Authority said there had been no spikes in radiation in the Barents Sea area following the deadly fire, according to Reuters.
"President Vladimir Putin, who came under criticism for his slack handling of the Kursk nuclear submarine disaster in 2000, which killed 118 sailors, canceled a scheduled appearance and immediately summoned Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu for a briefing on the blaze.
"During a televised meeting, Putin said at least half of those who perished in the Losharik blaze had been of the rank of captain. Two had previously received the Hero of the Russian Federation award, one of the country’s highest honors.
"Shoigu praised the sailors. “Fourteen submariners have died of poisoning by fumes from the fire,” he told Putin during the meeting. “The fire was extinguished thanks to the crew’s resolute action.”
"Putin ordered Shoigu to Severomorsk to oversee the investigation. The vessel has been recovered from the site of the accident and returned to the base."
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"the official toll for chenobyl according to the russians is still 32."
does that include the director and managers who were executed for deliberately making the No4 reactor blow up and the soldiers ordered onto the roof to shovel the lumps of enriched uranium back into the crater that coated the place? Or is it just the plant workers who died in the explosion? |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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Submariners are by their job discription, in a highly dangerous, skilled and demanding job. Your only as safe as the boat that you go to sea in. Fighting fires on board any naval vessel demands bravery, self sacrifice and instant response. All submarine crews have an in depth knowledge of every system on board, including skillful firefighting tactics. Those Russian submariners made an increadable brave sacrifice. The code of honour runs deep in any submarine service, you fight to save the vessel that ultimately keeps you alive. Its also your sea family.
I would spare a thought for those brave submariners who did what they must do, to try and preserve their boat and the crew. I care not for for which nationality they are, they were submariners doing their duty and job.
RIP brave souls. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Submariners are by their job discription, in a highly dangerous, skilled and demanding job. Your only as safe as the boat that you go to sea in. Fighting fires on board any naval vessel demands bravery, self sacrifice and instant response. All submarine crews have an in depth knowledge of every system on board, including skillful firefighting tactics. Those Russian submariners made an increadable brave sacrifice. The code of honour runs deep in any submarine service, you fight to save the vessel that ultimately keeps you alive. Its also your sea family.
I would spare a thought for those brave submariners who did what they must do, to try and preserve their boat and the crew. I care not for for which nationality they are, they were submariners doing their duty and job.
RIP brave souls. " Well said mate that goes for all mariners in my book. |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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"Submariners are by their job discription, in a highly dangerous, skilled and demanding job. Your only as safe as the boat that you go to sea in. Fighting fires on board any naval vessel demands bravery, self sacrifice and instant response. All submarine crews have an in depth knowledge of every system on board, including skillful firefighting tactics. Those Russian submariners made an increadable brave sacrifice. The code of honour runs deep in any submarine service, you fight to save the vessel that ultimately keeps you alive. Its also your sea family.
I would spare a thought for those brave submariners who did what they must do, to try and preserve their boat and the crew. I care not for for which nationality they are, they were submariners doing their duty and job.
RIP brave souls. "
I read The Silent Deep by Peter Hennessey and James Jinks.
Not a job I would want to do, months on end inside a giant cigar tube under tons of water, playing cat and mouse with the Ruskies.
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It was in pursuit of another high tech Russian sub, powered by an advanced caterpillar drive which renders it almost undetectable, the crew of which were defecting.
I think that the Captain shhhpoke with a Shhhcottish accshent...... |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Have you followed this story?
A top-secret, nuclear-powered submersible carrying lots of top brass from the Russian Navy.
It's tethered to a mother submarine and is operated by the Defence Ministry's undersea intelligence unit.
It's specially designed to withstand water pressures down to 6000 metres - it does secret things on the seabed, apparently.
A fire on board has killed at least 14. At least half the dead were the ranks of captain or higher.
Russia won't give details, calling it a "state secret".
The Norwegians say there are no unusual radiation readings around the Barents Sea where it was operating.
Suggestions coming out of the USA say it may have been engaged in a firefight by a US submarine.
Talk of emergency meetings in Washington and Moscow have been played down.
Lots of questions, no-one is answering.
Vladimir won't be pleased.
" Sounds like a Hollywood movie |
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By *reyyaMan
over a year ago
North Yorkshire |
There is probably one very clear fact that emerges from the 'information' received about this matter and that is that this submersible vessel and the people in it do not exist for the benefit and welfare of the men, women and children living in the west and the rest of the free world. |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
True.
So many Captains.
On a submersible.
It must have been something special they were there for.
I read one piece suggesting the Russians are installing mini-charging points on the seabed for the unmanned submarines they are building - underwater drones with warheads capable of causing a tsunami.
The reports a year ago said they were nuclear-powered.
The reports this week said the charging points on the seabed were mini nuclear reactors.
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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Another five dead, this time testing a new missile powered by nuclear energy. Explosion and radiation release at White Sea port.
The Yanks tried and failed during the Cold War to develop a nuclear-powered missile to deliver nuclear warheads.
The Russians are trying. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’m not surprised they’re trying. Anything Russia has done militarily in the recent past- Bay of Pigs as an example- has been defensive and as a reply to US actions. Either there will come a time when they become more pro-active, or they are responding to similar western threat |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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Trump is now claiming the US has nuclear-powered missiles.
Every expert will tell you the US abandoned the idea during the Cold War.
Has he just disclosed somethong super secret, or just made stuff up? My bet is the latter. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Trump is now claiming the US has nuclear-powered missiles.
Every expert will tell you the US abandoned the idea during the Cold War.
Has he just disclosed somethong super secret, or just made stuff up? My bet is the latter." .
The Russians have been secretly testing said nuclear weapons for last few years, the only reason we know is the isotopes showing up in atmospheric testing.
If they have them the Americans will either have them as well or will want them asap. |
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Project Pluto a Nuclear Ramjet propelled cruise
missile that would not only ruin your day if it landed on you it would also spread radiation as it flew over.
Got to love an arms race. What could possibly go wrong? |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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"Trump is now claiming the US has nuclear-powered missiles.
Every expert will tell you the US abandoned the idea during the Cold War.
Has he just disclosed somethong super secret, or just made stuff up? My bet is the latter..
The Russians have been secretly testing said nuclear weapons for last few years, the only reason we know is the isotopes showing up in atmospheric testing.
If they have them the Americans will either have them as well or will want them asap."
Nothing secret about what the Russians are doing - Putin went on national TV with an animation last year.
They had an accident testing last year that caused a spike in radiation too, but no-one died.
Their other big idea is underwater drones capable of causing a tsunami to drown American cities.
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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"It is a bad idea for the President to tell the world the US has secret nuclear-powered weapons and that we have been lying about that for years. Especially if we don't actually have them, which almost certainly we do not."
- Prof David Burbach, US Naval War College |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Trump is now claiming the US has nuclear-powered missiles.
Every expert will tell you the US abandoned the idea during the Cold War.
Has he just disclosed somethong super secret, or just made stuff up? My bet is the latter..
The Russians have been secretly testing said nuclear weapons for last few years, the only reason we know is the isotopes showing up in atmospheric testing.
If they have them the Americans will either have them as well or will want them asap.
Nothing secret about what the Russians are doing - Putin went on national TV with an animation last year.
They had an accident testing last year that caused a spike in radiation too, but no-one died.
Their other big idea is underwater drones capable of causing a tsunami to drown American cities.
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Sounds intriguing, to be honest most of the American coastal cities I've visited wouldn't be missed, as trump would say, there absolute shitholes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I thought the future was hypersonic weapons.Is that the same as nuclear powered warheads.
I’ve read that both the Americans and Chinese are developing them
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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They are trying to develop a cruise missile powered with nuclear energy.
If it is a ramjet, that means using the heat generated by fission - a nuclear reactor - to superheat the inrushing air and generate thrust.
The exhaust is full of radioactive shit from the fission process.
If the thing has blown up, likely to be a few kilo grammes of enriched uranium fuel roads dispersed with it.
My understanding is it is a conventional explosion involving nuclear materials.
Think dirty bomb rather than nuclear bomb.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Makes paying the mortgage that bit more unimportant
Or maybe, bearing in mind there’s nothing we can do about missiles and international relations, even better to concentrate on |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Norway detecting traces of iodine in the air above its territory.
That tells you a working reactor has disintegrated.
" Russia will only tell you what russia wants you to know they still say that the death toll from Chernobyl is 31. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Norway detecting traces of iodine in the air above its territory.
That tells you a working reactor has disintegrated.
Russia will only tell you what russia wants you to know they still say that the death toll from Chernobyl is 31. "
Watch the recent HBO drama "Chernobyl" to see exactly how true that is. Unbelievably scarey to how close we came to disaster. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Norway detecting traces of iodine in the air above its territory.
That tells you a working reactor has disintegrated.
Russia will only tell you what russia wants you to know they still say that the death toll from Chernobyl is 31.
Watch the recent HBO drama "Chernobyl" to see exactly how true that is. Unbelievably scarey to how close we came to disaster. " A mate who was there counted 9 inaccuracies of that programme on one hand. |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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When a reactor is operating, it generates a gas called iodine-131.
Normally, this is contained.
The half-life is 8 days or so, so if you are detecting it in the air you know the containment of a reactor has been breached very recently.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Have you followed this story?
A top-secret, nuclear-powered submersible carrying lots of top brass from the Russian Navy.
It's tethered to a mother submarine and is operated by the Defence Ministry's undersea intelligence unit.
It's specially designed to withstand water pressures down to 6000 metres - it does secret things on the seabed, apparently.
A fire on board has killed at least 14. At least half the dead were the ranks of captain or higher.
Russia won't give details, calling it a "state secret".
The Norwegians say there are no unusual radiation readings around the Barents Sea where it was operating.
Suggestions coming out of the USA say it may have been engaged in a firefight by a US submarine.
Talk of emergency meetings in Washington and Moscow have been played down.
Lots of questions, no-one is answering.
Vladimir won't be pleased.
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Oh, so some respectful men left home without telling their wives where they were going and were then found in a dark, remote location. Dogging springs to mind, but perhaps they were out subbing? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Norway detecting traces of iodine in the air above its territory.
That tells you a working reactor has disintegrated.
Russia will only tell you what russia wants you to know they still say that the death toll from Chernobyl is 31.
Watch the recent HBO drama "Chernobyl" to see exactly how true that is. Unbelievably scarey to how close we came to disaster. A mate who was there counted 9 inaccuracies of that programme on one hand. "
Next you'll tell us that he did that single-handedly.
And then you'll tell us that he would have given his left hand to be ambidextrous.
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