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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Does it get any more bizarre than this?
The Conservative Party are to contest the seat of John Bercow.
Now, Bercow was elected a Conservative MP.
He gave up party affiliation in order to become the Speaker.
None of the main parties contest the seat of the Speaker (unless he or she has retired).
It seems the nasty party really is back.
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Farage is also offering to step aside in southern seats held by the Conservatives in exchange for a free run at northern seats held by Labour.
And the Lib Dems are offering to step aside in the seats of the 21 (ex) Conservative MPs.
It's all very peculiar. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Does it get any more bizarre than this?
The Conservative Party are to contest the seat of John Bercow.
Now, Bercow was elected a Conservative MP.
He gave up party affiliation in order to become the Speaker.
None of the main parties contest the seat of the Speaker (unless he or she has retired).
It seems the nasty party really is back.
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He is not fit to be speaker he is a nasty piece of work |
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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago
portsmouth |
Interrupting his holiday in Turkey to brand the Prime Minister's decision to prorogue Parliament a 'constitutional outrage'.Mr Bercow also told an audience in Scotland that he would fight any attempt by Mr Johnson to suspend Parliament if MPs try to block Brexit 'with every bone in my body'.
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
Funny isn’t it that those of a certain persuasion are convinced that anyone who disagrees with them is (choose) - biased, incompetent, nasty, useless, a traitor, a betrayer etc etc
It seems that half the country has lost the ability to be pragmatic and logical.
As an aside, the Speakers duty is to facilitate the working of Parliament - not the Government. If his judgment is that there is support in Parliament for a course of action - he will allow that course of action to proceed on account of the fact that if he was wrong - the Govt would defeat the course of action and if he was right then he has acted in accordance with his mandate. Just because he won’t allow the Govt to trample all over Parliament does not make him anything other than a very good Speaker. To require a Speaker who is in your gang and who will do what your gang wants is a very dangerous thing to wish for when one day you will be in Opposition. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Funny isn’t it that those of a certain persuasion are convinced that anyone who disagrees with them is (choose) - biased, incompetent, nasty, useless, a traitor, a betrayer etc etc
It seems that half the country has lost the ability to be pragmatic and logical.
As an aside, the Speakers duty is to facilitate the working of Parliament - not the Government. If his judgment is that there is support in Parliament for a course of action - he will allow that course of action to proceed on account of the fact that if he was wrong - the Govt would defeat the course of action and if he was right then he has acted in accordance with his mandate. Just because he won’t allow the Govt to trample all over Parliament does not make him anything other than a very good Speaker. To require a Speaker who is in your gang and who will do what your gang wants is a very dangerous thing to wish for when one day you will be in Opposition. "
Yes very dangerous but your happy to have him in your gang very very hypocritical |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Interrupting his holiday in Turkey to brand the Prime Minister's decision to prorogue Parliament a 'constitutional outrage'.Mr Bercow also told an audience in Scotland that he would fight any attempt by Mr Johnson to suspend Parliament if MPs try to block Brexit 'with every bone in my body'.
Whatever his personal views are he should keep them to himself. "
He is the Speaker and his job is to facilitate the working of Parliament, not to support s minority Government using tactics to avoid Parliamentary scrutiny.
As per my previous response. If a Govt requires a Speaker to only do its bidding then that is fair enough and Parliament could probably change to adopt that stance - if it was voted for. The problem that you have is the Conservatives are not going to be in office forever and if you change the role of the Speakers mandate today - it will be changed for tomorrow as well. Then someone from the other gang wants to do something unsavoury and the Speaker permits it because that is now his/her new role. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Funny isn’t it that those of a certain persuasion are convinced that anyone who disagrees with them is (choose) - biased, incompetent, nasty, useless, a traitor, a betrayer etc etc
It seems that half the country has lost the ability to be pragmatic and logical.
As an aside, the Speakers duty is to facilitate the working of Parliament - not the Government. If his judgment is that there is support in Parliament for a course of action - he will allow that course of action to proceed on account of the fact that if he was wrong - the Govt would defeat the course of action and if he was right then he has acted in accordance with his mandate. Just because he won’t allow the Govt to trample all over Parliament does not make him anything other than a very good Speaker. To require a Speaker who is in your gang and who will do what your gang wants is a very dangerous thing to wish for when one day you will be in Opposition. Yes very dangerous but your happy to have him in your gang very very hypocritical"
What are you even on about?
Do you even understand the Speakers role? I am guessing not. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
""He is the Speaker and his job is to facilitate the working of Parliament" This is correct it is not his job to promote his own views(what ever they may be ) outside or inside the house. "
You were referring to an external, third party reports which alleged that he said that he would fight Brexit with every bone in his body. He may or may not have said that -my guess is that it was an out of context quote and what was missed was references to “no deal” and to Parliamentary oversight. He is an extraordinarily talented person and he would not make such a crass remark.
His comment about proroguing Parliament is correct - it is a constitutional outrage that the Govt had engineered a Govt shutdown to limit Opposition scrutiny to the Govt Brexit plans. You may or may not be aware that a constitutional outrage is not something illegal - it is an attempt to subvert constitutional precedents - so he said nothing wrong there at all. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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""He is the Speaker and his job is to facilitate the working of Parliament" This is correct it is not his job to promote his own views(what ever they may be ) outside or inside the house. "
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It is strange how many people think that the speaker has overstepped the mark because he is not toeing the government line when in fact he is doing exactly what his job requires him to do. He is the 'Speaker of The House of Commons', his job is to speak for the house of commons, nothing more or less, and he is duty bound to do everything in his power to see that 'The Will of The House' is upheld and the idea that he should ignore The Will of The House' because the Government don't like it is the outrage.
But then in this post truth age up is down, good is bad, lies are truth and opinion is fact (right up to the point the fantasy falls apart). |
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By *bernathCouple
over a year ago
Gloucestershire |
"Does it get any more bizarre than this?
The Conservative Party are to contest the seat of John Bercow.
Now, Bercow was elected a Conservative MP.
He gave up party affiliation in order to become the Speaker.
None of the main parties contest the seat of the Speaker (unless he or she has retired).
It seems the nasty party really is back.
He is not fit to be speaker he is a nasty piece of work"
No he isn’t, he’s a damn fine speaker, best speaker ever, mainly because he is is so impartial, and he loves democracy. Something that current government hate, because the speaker supports parliamentary primacy and rules in all matters.
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"Does it get any more bizarre than this?
The Conservative Party are to contest the seat of John Bercow.
Now, Bercow was elected a Conservative MP.
He gave up party affiliation in order to become the Speaker.
None of the main parties contest the seat of the Speaker (unless he or she has retired).
It seems the nasty party really is back.
He is not fit to be speaker he is a nasty piece of work
No he isn’t, he’s a damn fine speaker, best speaker ever, mainly because he is is so impartial, and he loves democracy. Something that current government hate, because the speaker supports parliamentary primacy and rules in all matters.
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Yet some dare to say Bercow is biased because he's doing his job... How right is it to let a wanna be tyrant, a trompo-copycat sexist dickhead who plagiarizes others' ideas and places them onto so called "history books" whilst being referred as a writer by his bodies in the media who are begging to get favour back from the clown holding now the title of PM?
How come is it right for him to force a decision that was never ever voted for?
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William Lenthall, Speaker of The House:
"May it please your majesty, I have neither eyes to see, nor tongue to speak, in this place, but as the house is pleased to direct me, whose servant I am here; and I humbly ask pardon that I cannot give any other answer to what your majesty is pleased to demand of me."
It did not please his majesty and led to 8 years of civil war and a further 15 years of persecution of 'Loyalists'.
How many brexiteers realise they are the 'Royalists' defying Parliament this time round?
Just a quote from history, a thought and maybe a question, nothing more. |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
When a government has a "majority" of -46, two things are self-evident:
* It is not in control of what happens in Parliament
* It has to work with others to achieve anything
This move smacks of petty spite.
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"When a government has a "majority" of -46, two things are self-evident:
* It is not in control of what happens in Parliament
* It has to work with others to achieve anything
This move smacks of petty spite.
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This Government under Johnson and the previous one under May made some pretty bad decisions. I think their general ineptitude can be associated with poor decision making right from the day that May came to power.
This is just another example of poor decision making. Going after the Speaker is the wrong thing to do at the wrong time and for all sorts of other reasons. |
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"Does it get any more bizarre than this?
The Conservative Party are to contest the seat of John Bercow.
Now, Bercow was elected a Conservative MP.
He gave up party affiliation in order to become the Speaker.
None of the main parties contest the seat of the Speaker (unless he or she has retired).
It seems the nasty party really is back.
He is not fit to be speaker he is a nasty piece of work"
Really? What are some of the nastiest things he’s done? |
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"Interrupting his holiday in Turkey to brand the Prime Minister's decision to prorogue Parliament a 'constitutional outrage'.Mr Bercow also told an audience in Scotland that he would fight any attempt by Mr Johnson to suspend Parliament if MPs try to block Brexit 'with every bone in my body'.
Whatever his personal views are he should keep them to himself. "
Well, it is a constitutional outrage, and an unbelievably undemocratic step to take.
Given the current situation with Brexit, on exactly what planet is shutting down parliament and denying it the right to address the looming economic cliff edge the government seems hellbent on marching us off in any way, shape or form democratic?
I thought people who wanted to leave the EU wanted to do so to hand back power to Parliament? |
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"Interrupting his holiday in Turkey to brand the Prime Minister's decision to prorogue Parliament a 'constitutional outrage'.Mr Bercow also told an audience in Scotland that he would fight any attempt by Mr Johnson to suspend Parliament if MPs try to block Brexit 'with every bone in my body'.
Whatever his personal views are he should keep them to himself.
Well, it is a constitutional outrage, and an unbelievably undemocratic step to take.
Given the current situation with Brexit, on exactly what planet is shutting down parliament and denying it the right to address the looming economic cliff edge the government seems hellbent on marching us off in any way, shape or form democratic?
I thought people who wanted to leave the EU wanted to do so to hand back power to Parliament?"
They don't like Parliament now, they'd prefer dictatorship  |
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"Interrupting his holiday in Turkey to brand the Prime Minister's decision to prorogue Parliament a 'constitutional outrage'.Mr Bercow also told an audience in Scotland that he would fight any attempt by Mr Johnson to suspend Parliament if MPs try to block Brexit 'with every bone in my body'.
Whatever his personal views are he should keep them to himself.
Well, it is a constitutional outrage, and an unbelievably undemocratic step to take.
Given the current situation with Brexit, on exactly what planet is shutting down parliament and denying it the right to address the looming economic cliff edge the government seems hellbent on marching us off in any way, shape or form democratic?
I thought people who wanted to leave the EU wanted to do so to hand back power to Parliament?"
They are behaving like spoilt children who can’t get their own way. Playground behaviour |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"It is strange how many people think that the speaker has overstepped the mark because he is not toeing the government line when in fact he is doing exactly what his job requires him to do. He is the 'Speaker of The House of Commons', his job is to speak for the house of commons, nothing more or less, and he is duty bound to do everything in his power to see that 'The Will of The House' is upheld and the idea that he should ignore The Will of The House' because the Government don't like it is the outrage.
But then in this post truth age up is down, good is bad, lies are truth and opinion is fact (right up to the point the fantasy falls apart)."
You could twist a laser beam,never mind |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
i think what this thread has proved is that the most hardcore brextremists will only ever see the world thru the lens of brexit......
bercow has been a fantastic speaker and the fact that the government hate him SHOULD be seen as a badge of honour as he speaks for the will of parliament.. not for the government!
the great thing he has done is made government far more accountable to backbenchers in the form of urgent questions....and allowing them a lot more leeway with the type of questioning....
and his last brilliant FU to the tories who hate him is because he decided to go on october 31st or the GE whichever is sooner, is that he made sure that the next speaker is chosen by this house... and not the next one! which means we won't get a government lackey taking over.... |
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"It is strange how many people think that the speaker has overstepped the mark because he is not toeing the government line when in fact he is doing exactly what his job requires him to do. He is the 'Speaker of The House of Commons', his job is to speak for the house of commons, nothing more or less, and he is duty bound to do everything in his power to see that 'The Will of The House' is upheld and the idea that he should ignore The Will of The House' because the Government don't like it is the outrage.
But then in this post truth age up is down, good is bad, lies are truth and opinion is fact (right up to the point the fantasy falls apart).You could twist a laser beam,never mind"
You were going to mention a few of the nastiest things Bercow has done? |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"There is a god Bercow is leaving "
It is so funny reading these posts from Brexiters who are singularly all excited and relieved that Bercow is going.
In displaying such enthusiasm for his departure they once again confirm the caricature of Brexiters as not exactly being deep thinkers.
His departure before the next election is bullet through the heart of Brexit fanatics. Perhaps you should think about what that means beforew waving your idiotic flags of joyousness. lol fucking lol. |
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"There is a god Bercow is leaving
It is so funny reading these posts from Brexiters who are singularly all excited and relieved that Bercow is going.
In displaying such enthusiasm for his departure they once again confirm the caricature of Brexiters as not exactly being deep thinkers.
His departure before the next election is bullet through the heart of Brexit fanatics. Perhaps you should think about what that means beforew waving your idiotic flags of joyousness. lol fucking lol."
aw _oo hot us leave voters are nothing but oiks chavs plebs and racists tho what do you expect we are just confirming yr opinions of us arnt we lol |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"There is a god Bercow is leaving
It is so funny reading these posts from Brexiters who are singularly all excited and relieved that Bercow is going.
In displaying such enthusiasm for his departure they once again confirm the caricature of Brexiters as not exactly being deep thinkers.
His departure before the next election is bullet through the heart of Brexit fanatics. Perhaps you should think about what that means beforew waving your idiotic flags of joyousness. lol fucking lol. aw _oo hot us leave voters are nothing but oiks chavs plebs and racists tho what do you expect we are just confirming yr opinions of us arnt we lol"
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"There is a god Bercow is leaving
It is so funny reading these posts from Brexiters who are singularly all excited and relieved that Bercow is going.
In displaying such enthusiasm for his departure they once again confirm the caricature of Brexiters as not exactly being deep thinkers.
His departure before the next election is bullet through the heart of Brexit fanatics. Perhaps you should think about what that means beforew waving your idiotic flags of joyousness. lol fucking lol. aw _oo hot us leave voters are nothing but oiks chavs plebs and racists tho what do you expect we are just confirming yr opinions of us arnt we lol"
You’re almost certainly none of those things.
But given how clear it now is that leaving will almost certainly not be in the country’s best interests, it is a mystery why so many people are still in favour of leaving.... |
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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago
portsmouth |
"There is a god Bercow is leaving
It is so funny reading these posts from Brexiters who are singularly all excited and relieved that Bercow is going.
In displaying such enthusiasm for his departure they once again confirm the caricature of Brexiters as not exactly being deep thinkers.
His departure before the next election is bullet through the heart of Brexit fanatics. Perhaps you should think about what that means beforew waving your idiotic flags of joyousness. lol fucking lol. aw _oo hot us leave voters are nothing but oiks chavs plebs and racists tho what do you expect we are just confirming yr opinions of us arnt we lol
You’re almost certainly none of those things.
But given how clear it now is that leaving will almost certainly not be in the country’s best interests, it is a mystery why so many people are still in favour of leaving...."
While I can respect your view it is pure speculation.Only time will tell whether it is correct. |
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"Farage is also offering to step aside in southern seats held by the Conservatives in exchange for a free run at northern seats held by Labour.
And the Lib Dems are offering to step aside in the seats of the 21 (ex) Conservative MPs.
It's all very peculiar."
What’s peculiar is our first past the post electoral system where people are going to be voting tactically more and more in the future rather than the party they actually support . The main argument for it is it to lead to stable governments whereas the PR systems in the rest of the EU often leads to unstable coalitions but look at the last few elections here ! Now that’s been debunked maybe it’s time for a change to PR but the same establishment forces that are actively sabotaging Brexit know PR would probably lead to over a hundred Brexit Party MPs and they certainly wouldn’t want that . |
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"Farage is also offering to step aside in southern seats held by the Conservatives in exchange for a free run at northern seats held by Labour.
And the Lib Dems are offering to step aside in the seats of the 21 (ex) Conservative MPs.
It's all very peculiar.
What’s peculiar is our first past the post electoral system where people are going to be voting tactically more and more in the future rather than the party they actually support . The main argument for it is it to lead to stable governments whereas the PR systems in the rest of the EU often leads to unstable coalitions but look at the last few elections here ! Now that’s been debunked maybe it’s time for a change to PR but the same establishment forces that are actively sabotaging Brexit know PR would probably lead to over a hundred Brexit Party MPs and they certainly wouldn’t want that ."
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Ooh ooh, more democracy they don't like, there'll be voting for communists next! Hey, what's that, the left already are.
Houston we have a problem, nobody likes losing so we're abandoning the greatest thing since the wheel for a tried and tested system that's killed 140 million people in 35 countries it's been set up in and failed in every single occasion.
That should fix it  |
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"There is a god Bercow is leaving
It is so funny reading these posts from Brexiters who are singularly all excited and relieved that Bercow is going.
In displaying such enthusiasm for his departure they once again confirm the caricature of Brexiters as not exactly being deep thinkers.
His departure before the next election is bullet through the heart of Brexit fanatics. Perhaps you should think about what that means beforew waving your idiotic flags of joyousness. lol fucking lol. aw _oo hot us leave voters are nothing but oiks chavs plebs and racists tho what do you expect we are just confirming yr opinions of us arnt we lol
You’re almost certainly none of those things.
But given how clear it now is that leaving will almost certainly not be in the country’s best interests, it is a mystery why so many people are still in favour of leaving....While I can respect your view it is pure speculation.Only time will tell whether it is correct. "
It’s not pure speculation at all though. It’s the general consensus of pretty much every independent expert analysis.
Look at how difficult it’s been to negotiate things with the EU. We’re going to have to negotiate new trade deals with everyone, and that takes years. A country like the US is hardly going to give us that favourable a deal - and given they’re a much bigger country, we need them more than they need us. |
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"Farage is also offering to step aside in southern seats held by the Conservatives in exchange for a free run at northern seats held by Labour.
And the Lib Dems are offering to step aside in the seats of the 21 (ex) Conservative MPs.
It's all very peculiar.
What’s peculiar is our first past the post electoral system where people are going to be voting tactically more and more in the future rather than the party they actually support . The main argument for it is it to lead to stable governments whereas the PR systems in the rest of the EU often leads to unstable coalitions but look at the last few elections here ! Now that’s been debunked maybe it’s time for a change to PR but the same establishment forces that are actively sabotaging Brexit know PR would probably lead to over a hundred Brexit Party MPs and they certainly wouldn’t want that ..
Ooh ooh, more democracy they don't like, there'll be voting for communists next! Hey, what's that, the left already are.
Houston we have a problem, nobody likes losing so we're abandoning the greatest thing since the wheel for a tried and tested system that's killed 140 million people in 35 countries it's been set up in and failed in every single occasion.
That should fix it "
What are you on about?? |
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"Farage is also offering to step aside in southern seats held by the Conservatives in exchange for a free run at northern seats held by Labour.
And the Lib Dems are offering to step aside in the seats of the 21 (ex) Conservative MPs.
It's all very peculiar.
What’s peculiar is our first past the post electoral system where people are going to be voting tactically more and more in the future rather than the party they actually support . The main argument for it is it to lead to stable governments whereas the PR systems in the rest of the EU often leads to unstable coalitions but look at the last few elections here ! Now that’s been debunked maybe it’s time for a change to PR but the same establishment forces that are actively sabotaging Brexit know PR would probably lead to over a hundred Brexit Party MPs and they certainly wouldn’t want that ."
Yeah I’m all for PR .It would mean more greens in parliament . |
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"Farage is also offering to step aside in southern seats held by the Conservatives in exchange for a free run at northern seats held by Labour.
And the Lib Dems are offering to step aside in the seats of the 21 (ex) Conservative MPs.
It's all very peculiar.
What’s peculiar is our first past the post electoral system where people are going to be voting tactically more and more in the future rather than the party they actually support . The main argument for it is it to lead to stable governments whereas the PR systems in the rest of the EU often leads to unstable coalitions but look at the last few elections here ! Now that’s been debunked maybe it’s time for a change to PR but the same establishment forces that are actively sabotaging Brexit know PR would probably lead to over a hundred Brexit Party MPs and they certainly wouldn’t want that ..
Ooh ooh, more democracy they don't like, there'll be voting for communists next! Hey, what's that, the left already are.
Houston we have a problem, nobody likes losing so we're abandoning the greatest thing since the wheel for a tried and tested system that's killed 140 million people in 35 countries it's been set up in and failed in every single occasion.
That should fix it
What are you on about??"
Seems to be a fairly common thing these days for right wingers to try and defend stupid ideas like Trump and Brexit with totally out of context, mostly incoherent rants about the evils of communism. Weird, really. Almost like they have no actual arguments to make. |
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"Farage is also offering to step aside in southern seats held by the Conservatives in exchange for a free run at northern seats held by Labour.
And the Lib Dems are offering to step aside in the seats of the 21 (ex) Conservative MPs.
It's all very peculiar.
What’s peculiar is our first past the post electoral system where people are going to be voting tactically more and more in the future rather than the party they actually support . The main argument for it is it to lead to stable governments whereas the PR systems in the rest of the EU often leads to unstable coalitions but look at the last few elections here ! Now that’s been debunked maybe it’s time for a change to PR but the same establishment forces that are actively sabotaging Brexit know PR would probably lead to over a hundred Brexit Party MPs and they certainly wouldn’t want that ..
Ooh ooh, more democracy they don't like, there'll be voting for communists next! Hey, what's that, the left already are.
Houston we have a problem, nobody likes losing so we're abandoning the greatest thing since the wheel for a tried and tested system that's killed 140 million people in 35 countries it's been set up in and failed in every single occasion.
That should fix it
What are you on about??
Seems to be a fairly common thing these days for right wingers to try and defend stupid ideas like Trump and Brexit with totally out of context, mostly incoherent rants about the evils of communism. Weird, really. Almost like they have no actual arguments to make. "
The EU is like the old Soviet Union? No wonder people voted to leave.
Also: sweet Jesus. |
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"There is a god Bercow is leaving
It is so funny reading these posts from Brexiters who are singularly all excited and relieved that Bercow is going.
In displaying such enthusiasm for his departure they once again confirm the caricature of Brexiters as not exactly being deep thinkers.
His departure before the next election is bullet through the heart of Brexit fanatics. Perhaps you should think about what that means beforew waving your idiotic flags of joyousness. lol fucking lol. aw _oo hot us leave voters are nothing but oiks chavs plebs and racists tho what do you expect we are just confirming yr opinions of us arnt we lol
If the cap fits..."
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