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By *an For You OP   Man 2 weeks ago

belfast

The police response to an ex-officer's allegedly transphobic tweets was unlawful, the High Court has ruled.

Harry Miller was visited by Humberside Police at work in January last year after a complaint about his tweets.

He was told he had not committed a crime, but it would be recorded as a non-crime "hate incident".

The court found the force's actions were a "disproportionate interference" with his right to freedom of expression.

Some common sense from the courts at last .

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By *abtastic999Man 2 weeks ago

manchester


"The police response to an ex-officer's allegedly transphobic tweets was unlawful, the High Court has ruled.

Harry Miller was visited by Humberside Police at work in January last year after a complaint about his tweets.

He was told he had not committed a crime, but it would be recorded as a non-crime "hate incident".

The court found the force's actions were a "disproportionate interference" with his right to freedom of expression.

Some common sense from the courts at last .

"

Do you know what he tweeted?

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By *ethnmelvCouple 2 weeks ago

Winchester & Cardiff

& just because he can say horrible things, it doesn’t mean he should. Nor should it mean that we can’t call him out for saying it

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By *ust-AndyMan 2 weeks ago

Preston


"The police response to an ex-officer's allegedly transphobic tweets was unlawful, the High Court has ruled.

Harry Miller was visited by Humberside Police at work in January last year after a complaint about his tweets.

He was told he had not committed a crime, but it would be recorded as a non-crime "hate incident".

The court found the force's actions were a "disproportionate interference" with his right to freedom of expression.

Some common sense from the courts at last .

"

Indeed

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By *ust-AndyMan 2 weeks ago

Preston


"& just because he can say horrible things, it doesn’t mean he should. Nor should it mean that we can’t call him out for saying it

"

That's totally different though.

The police should not get involved in anything where a law HAS NOT been breached.

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By *an For You OP   Man 2 weeks ago

belfast


"& just because he can say horrible things, it doesn’t mean he should. Nor should it mean that we can’t call him out for saying it

That's totally different though.

The police should not get involved in anything where a law HAS NOT been breached. "

Exactly. Just because he allegedly said “horrid things “ or stuff you don’t agree with does not make it an offence for the courts to pursue and convict. I have heard far far far worse vitriol and abuse and witnessed harassment and physical attacks by pro life activists against women by women. They can say and do whatever they want without the police hounding them. Even if they have accused women of murder

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By *ethnmelvCouple 2 weeks ago

Winchester & Cardiff


"& just because he can say horrible things, it doesn’t mean he should. Nor should it mean that we can’t call him out for saying it

That's totally different though.

The police should not get involved in anything where a law HAS NOT been breached.

Exactly. Just because he allegedly said “horrid things “ or stuff you don’t agree with does not make it an offence for the courts to pursue and convict. I have heard far far far worse vitriol and abuse and witnessed harassment and physical attacks by pro life activists against women by women. They can say and do whatever they want without the police hounding them. Even if they have accused women of murder"

Well I hope you intervene on this as well. I agree Hull Police overstepped the mark by the way, but just saying the Courts are right for once does not reflect the whole story.

The man was in the wrong, but the Courts flagged that the Police were also. Two wrongs do not make a right

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By *wisted999Man 2 weeks ago

North Bucks MK area

Be interesting to see the next stage of his appeal.

It wasn’t about what he said he can carry on saying that all he likes.

It was the ridiculous recording of a hate crime non crime that was recorded against his name and had the potential to damage his career.

If it’s a hate crime it should be recorded as such on its merits. If it’s not a crime then that should be it.

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By *mmabluTV/TS 2 weeks ago

upton wirral


"The police response to an ex-officer's allegedly transphobic tweets was unlawful, the High Court has ruled.

Harry Miller was visited by Humberside Police at work in January last year after a complaint about his tweets.

He was told he had not committed a crime, but it would be recorded as a non-crime "hate incident".

The court found the force's actions were a "disproportionate interference" with his right to freedom of expression.

Some common sense from the courts at last .

"

I agree free speech is being eroded by political correctness as a T/V if someone once to slag me off that is there right to show there ignorance.

We are told it is good not to supress things and get them out into the open but if you say something offensive it becomes a crime nonsense.Good to see the courts apply common sense for a change

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By *an For You OP   Man 2 weeks ago

belfast


"The police response to an ex-officer's allegedly transphobic tweets was unlawful, the High Court has ruled.

Harry Miller was visited by Humberside Police at work in January last year after a complaint about his tweets.

He was told he had not committed a crime, but it would be recorded as a non-crime "hate incident".

The court found the force's actions were a "disproportionate interference" with his right to freedom of expression.

Some common sense from the courts at last .

I agree free speech is being eroded by political correctness as a T/V if someone once to slag me off that is there right to show there ignorance.

We are told it is good not to supress things and get them out into the open but if you say something offensive it becomes a crime nonsense.Good to see the courts apply common sense for a change"

Well said

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By *abtastic999Man 2 weeks ago

manchester


"The police response to an ex-officer's allegedly transphobic tweets was unlawful, the High Court has ruled.

Harry Miller was visited by Humberside Police at work in January last year after a complaint about his tweets.

He was told he had not committed a crime, but it would be recorded as a non-crime "hate incident".

The court found the force's actions were a "disproportionate interference" with his right to freedom of expression.

Some common sense from the courts at last .

I agree free speech is being eroded by political correctness as a T/V if someone once to slag me off that is there right to show there ignorance.

We are told it is good not to supress things and get them out into the open but if you say something offensive it becomes a crime nonsense.Good to see the courts apply common sense for a change

Well said"

There is no such thing as ‘free speech’ in the U.K.

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By *ust-AndyMan 2 weeks ago

Preston


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There is no such thing as ‘free speech’ in the U.K."

Yes there is, free speech as long as it does not break the law

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By *lackhat021Man 2 weeks ago

Bromley

Ok. For what it's worth, my opinion is as follows.

It is difficult to fairly judge the rights and wrong without being told exactly what the wrong is.

The police if called have a duty to investigate. Maybe a snowflake type reports a non incident as a major crime or, what he said was strong enough to warrant police action. We don't know.

In regards to freedom of speech. Our rights are simple to understand but there are those that will fight for the right to be abusive. So using an American quote.

You have the right to swing or fists right up to the point where my nose begins. Simple isn't it. We all have the right to say what we like right up to the point where you cause harassment alarm or offence.

Simples. Or am I wrong?

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By *obka3Couple 2 weeks ago

bath


"Ok. For what it's worth, my opinion is as follows.

It is difficult to fairly judge the rights and wrong without being told exactly what the wrong is.

The police if called have a duty to investigate. Maybe a snowflake type reports a non incident as a major crime or, what he said was strong enough to warrant police action. We don't know.

In regards to freedom of speech. Our rights are simple to understand but there are those that will fight for the right to be abusive. So using an American quote.

You have the right to swing or fists right up to the point where my nose begins. Simple isn't it. We all have the right to say what we like right up to the point where you cause harassment alarm or offence.

Simples. Or am I wrong?

"

No you can certainly offend someone and cause alarm using free speech without either being an offence

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By *akemeacuckMan 2 weeks ago

Greater London


"Ok. For what it's worth, my opinion is as follows.

It is difficult to fairly judge the rights and wrong without being told exactly what the wrong is.

The police if called have a duty to investigate. Maybe a snowflake type reports a non incident as a major crime or, what he said was strong enough to warrant police action. We don't know.

In regards to freedom of speech. Our rights are simple to understand but there are those that will fight for the right to be abusive. So using an American quote.

You have the right to swing or fists right up to the point where my nose begins. Simple isn't it. We all have the right to say what we like right up to the point where you cause harassment alarm or offence.

Simples. Or am I wrong?

"

Not really that simple. Different people find different things offensive. The biggest challenge with freedom of speech has been to decide where to draw the line.

IMO, people have the right to say anything as long as the person who hears it has the ability to not hear what the other person says. Also when a person has the freedom to tell something offensive, he should realise that others have the freedom to call it out and even offend back this person.

But there should not be legal actions taken for words spoken.

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By *abtastic999Man 2 weeks ago

manchester


"Ok. For what it's worth, my opinion is as follows.

It is difficult to fairly judge the rights and wrong without being told exactly what the wrong is.

The police if called have a duty to investigate. Maybe a snowflake type reports a non incident as a major crime or, what he said was strong enough to warrant police action. We don't know.

In regards to freedom of speech. Our rights are simple to understand but there are those that will fight for the right to be abusive. So using an American quote.

You have the right to swing or fists right up to the point where my nose begins. Simple isn't it. We all have the right to say what we like right up to the point where you cause harassment alarm or offence.

Simples. Or am I wrong?

Not really that simple. Different people find different things offensive. The biggest challenge with freedom of speech has been to decide where to draw the line.

IMO, people have the right to say anything as long as the person who hears it has the ability to not hear what the other person says. Also when a person has the freedom to tell something offensive, he should realise that others have the freedom to call it out and even offend back this person.

But there should not be legal actions taken for words spoken."

No legal action for any words spoken?

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By *V-AliceTV/TS 2 weeks ago

Ayr

He was told he had not committed a crime, but it would be recorded as a non-crime "hate incident".

That's quite worrying. Even if you haven't broken the law, the police will log your actions because someone finds you offensive?

Slippery slope, that.

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By *candiumWoman 1 week ago

oban


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But there should not be legal actions taken for words spoken.

No legal action for any words spoken? "

Nope. I don't understand how hate speech is a thing now.

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By *ornajo83Woman 1 week ago

Somewhere


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But there should not be legal actions taken for words spoken.

No legal action for any words spoken?

Nope. I don't understand how hate speech is a thing now. "

Again really!

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By *candiumWoman 1 week ago

oban

Offence is taken not given. I have no way of knowing what someone else might find offensive.

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By *ornajo83Woman 1 week ago

Somewhere


"Offence is taken not given. I have no way of knowing what someone else might find offensive."

There are certain things any decent person should find offensive.

I'm not going to list them as they are against forum rules.

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By *candiumWoman 1 week ago

oban


"Offence is taken not given. I have no way of knowing what someone else might find offensive.

There are certain things any decent person should find offensive.

I'm not going to list them as they are against forum rules. "

Fair enough. Not going to ask you to list them.

One person's Saturday BBCone is another's offensive. There are so many things that people these days seem to be offended by and I don't think an individual should have to 2nd guess the foibles of everyone in earshot when ever they tell a joke.

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By *ornajo83Woman 1 week ago

Somewhere


"Offence is taken not given. I have no way of knowing what someone else might find offensive.

There are certain things any decent person should find offensive.

I'm not going to list them as they are against forum rules.

Fair enough. Not going to ask you to list them.

One person's Saturday BBCone is another's offensive. There are so many things that people these days seem to be offended by and I don't think an individual should have to 2nd guess the foibles of everyone in earshot when ever they tell a joke.

"

I'm not disagreeing but certain things need to be handled sensibly.

Free speech does not give people the right to say whatever they like without being challenged.

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By *candiumWoman 1 week ago

oban


"Offence is taken not given. I have no way of knowing what someone else might find offensive.

There are certain things any decent person should find offensive.

I'm not going to list them as they are against forum rules.

Fair enough. Not going to ask you to list them.

One person's Saturday BBCone is another's offensive. There are so many things that people these days seem to be offended by and I don't think an individual should have to 2nd guess the foibles of everyone in earshot when ever they tell a joke.

I'm not disagreeing but certain things need to be handled sensibly.

Free speech does not give people the right to say whatever they like without being challenged. "

Challenged? absolutely. However the current climate is heading to simply not being able to say anything and simply being shut down.

I'm increasingly worried about policing of the internet and moderating of harmful content so for me free speech is wider than just comedy. Who decides what's harmful?

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By *ornajo83Woman 1 week ago

Somewhere


"Offence is taken not given. I have no way of knowing what someone else might find offensive.

There are certain things any decent person should find offensive.

I'm not going to list them as they are against forum rules.

Fair enough. Not going to ask you to list them.

One person's Saturday BBCone is another's offensive. There are so many things that people these days seem to be offended by and I don't think an individual should have to 2nd guess the foibles of everyone in earshot when ever they tell a joke.

I'm not disagreeing but certain things need to be handled sensibly.

Free speech does not give people the right to say whatever they like without being challenged.

Challenged? absolutely. However the current climate is heading to simply not being able to say anything and simply being shut down.

I'm increasingly worried about policing of the internet and moderating of harmful content so for me free speech is wider than just comedy. Who decides what's harmful? "

Normally if most people feel its distasteful it's time to stop.

Some subjects are very obviously harmful.

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By *candiumWoman 1 week ago

oban

There are groups in society that would argue FAB was distasteful and want to block it.

There are sites that are harmful to some helpful to others.

I'm worried about the lowest common denominator being applied.

Some people will be hurt by this so no one can access it mentality

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By *ornajo83Woman 1 week ago

Somewhere


"There are groups in society that would argue FAB was distasteful and want to block it.

There are sites that are harmful to some helpful to others.

I'm worried about the lowest common denominator being applied.

Some people will be hurt by this so no one can access it mentality "

You know exactly what I'm referring to.

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By *candiumWoman 1 week ago

oban


"There are groups in society that would argue FAB was distasteful and want to block it.

There are sites that are harmful to some helpful to others.

I'm worried about the lowest common denominator being applied.

Some people will be hurt by this so no one can access it mentality

You know exactly what I'm referring to. "

Error actually no I don't.

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By *ornajo83Woman 1 week ago

Somewhere


"There are groups in society that would argue FAB was distasteful and want to block it.

There are sites that are harmful to some helpful to others.

I'm worried about the lowest common denominator being applied.

Some people will be hurt by this so no one can access it mentality

You know exactly what I'm referring to.

Error actually no I don't."

The other thread you have been commenting on.

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By *candiumWoman 1 week ago

oban

Oh ok. In that one I'm completely puzzled by people's reaction and was trying to understand it.

Here I'm talking more generally about the whole internet.

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By *akemeacuckMan 1 week ago

Greater London


"Offence is taken not given. I have no way of knowing what someone else might find offensive.

There are certain things any decent person should find offensive.

I'm not going to list them as they are against forum rules.

Fair enough. Not going to ask you to list them.

One person's Saturday BBCone is another's offensive. There are so many things that people these days seem to be offended by and I don't think an individual should have to 2nd guess the foibles of everyone in earshot when ever they tell a joke.

I'm not disagreeing but certain things need to be handled sensibly.

Free speech does not give people the right to say whatever they like without being challenged. "

Again. People can be challenged. If someone saya something that's considered wrong by others, others should be able to use their freedom of speech to challenge it. Censorship or legal action should not be a response to someone's speech.

When you say "certain things need to be handled sensibly", who decides what those certain things are? In your mind, you will have an idea about what is really bad. As the other poster suggested, fab is considered sin by many people. Religious people consider homosexuality as a sin and would want to censor anything that supports that. If we go down the route of censorship, there will be fringe groups trying to force the government to censor things which they don't like. Suppression of people's opinions, good or bad, is a bad thing.

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