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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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What do people think of the recently highlighted homelessness rates? They're apparently far higher than official government figures.
I think it's sickening that those who most need help aren't getting it. And the government has been vastly misleading about the magnitude of homelessness. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What do people think of the recently highlighted homelessness rates? They're apparently far higher than official government figures.
I think it's sickening that those who most need help aren't getting it. And the government has been vastly misleading about the magnitude of homelessness."
It’s impossible to wander round any large town or city without realising that the tories have allowed this to grow beyond belief after rough sleeping was almost eradicated prior to 2010. A national shame. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What do people think of the recently highlighted homelessness rates? They're apparently far higher than official government figures.
I think it's sickening that those who most need help aren't getting it. And the government has been vastly misleading about the magnitude of homelessness."
The homeless cant vote, the government don’t care |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm v curious how right wing supporters of the Tories defend this at all. How can anybody defend the propogation of such senseless human misery?"
It’s Corbyn fault, he stole all their houses and gave them to Nazis, he also goes around stealing the money they have managed to collect and spends it on promoting anti Semitism |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'm v curious how right wing supporters of the Tories defend this at all. How can anybody defend the propogation of such senseless human misery?
It’s Corbyn fault, he stole all their houses and gave them to Nazis, he also goes around stealing the money they have managed to collect and spends it on promoting anti Semitism "
Ah yes. Thanks for the reminder. All bad things in this country are down to Corbyn and Labour. It's nothing to do with the Tories who have now been in power for the last decade... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm v curious how right wing supporters of the Tories defend this at all. How can anybody defend the propogation of such senseless human misery?
It’s Corbyn fault, he stole all their houses and gave them to Nazis, he also goes around stealing the money they have managed to collect and spends it on promoting anti Semitism
Ah yes. Thanks for the reminder. All bad things in this country are down to Corbyn and Labour. It's nothing to do with the Tories who have now been in power for the last decade..."
Exactly, it’s definitely Corbyns fault, any Boris fanboy will be happy to tell you the same |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"What do people think of the recently highlighted homelessness rates? They're apparently far higher than official government figures.
I think it's sickening that those who most need help aren't getting it. And the government has been vastly misleading about the magnitude of homelessness.
The homeless cant vote, the government don’t care "
The homeless can vote. They just need a registered address.
Certain cafes and advice centres are helping out with this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What do people think of the recently highlighted homelessness rates? They're apparently far higher than official government figures.
I think it's sickening that those who most need help aren't getting it. And the government has been vastly misleading about the magnitude of homelessness.
The homeless cant vote, the government don’t care
The homeless can vote. They just need a registered address.
Certain cafes and advice centres are helping out with this. "
Yeah, because voting will be high on their priority list  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"What do people think of the recently highlighted homelessness rates? They're apparently far higher than official government figures.
I think it's sickening that those who most need help aren't getting it. And the government has been vastly misleading about the magnitude of homelessness.
The homeless cant vote, the government don’t care
The homeless can vote. They just need a registered address.
Certain cafes and advice centres are helping out with this. "
Not easy for them to vote without a home. But it's v good if certain places are helping as you say. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What do people think of the recently highlighted homelessness rates? They're apparently far higher than official government figures.
I think it's sickening that those who most need help aren't getting it. And the government has been vastly misleading about the magnitude of homelessness.
The homeless cant vote, the government don’t care
The homeless can vote. They just need a registered address.
Certain cafes and advice centres are helping out with this. "
Now that is true. In my city on of the local brewers went out of their way to help homeless people to register to vote. I have no idea how many of them took up the chance but at least they were trying to help them get back on track. Oh and before anyone comes out with any bullshit about this being in the brewers self interest - they only sell beer on tap so most homeless people would find that they would not be able to buy it as they would not be served in the pubs - and lets face it, when you can buy 8 litres of super strong cider for the same price as a couple of pints of beer why would you? |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I'm v curious how right wing supporters of the Tories defend this at all. How can anybody defend the propogation of such senseless human misery?"
People vote for many different reasons but mainly for what effects them and there family.I would guess that while we all feel sad about the homeless situation it does not effect our voting and I bet it did not effect yours either.Get real about life
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'm v curious how right wing supporters of the Tories defend this at all. How can anybody defend the propogation of such senseless human misery?People vote for many different reasons but mainly for what effects them and there family.I would guess that while we all feel sad about the homeless situation it does not effect our voting and I bet it did not effect yours either.Get real about life"
I actually do care a great deal about the plight of the homeless. It did affect my vote. Many people care. It's astonishing the Tories don't.
As for "get real about life". This is real life. That's why it's so awful. The real life of a homeless person is grinding misery, day after day. Nobody should have to live that way. |
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The Office for National Statistics has a lengthy report on the subject. It’s an informative read.
One of the main headlines is ;
“Trends suggest that the number of people reported to be seeking help for homelessness has been reasonably stable in the UK since around 2013” |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm v curious how right wing supporters of the Tories defend this at all. How can anybody defend the propogation of such senseless human misery?People vote for many different reasons but mainly for what effects them and there family.I would guess that while we all feel sad about the homeless situation it does not effect our voting and I bet it did not effect yours either.Get real about life"
Why did you vote for the Tories?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The Office for National Statistics has a lengthy report on the subject. It’s an informative read.
One of the main headlines is ;
“Trends suggest that the number of people reported to be seeking help for homelessness has been reasonably stable in the UK since around 2013”"
Reasonably stable? That is vague ? Do you have anything more accurate ? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The Office for National Statistics has a lengthy report on the subject. It’s an informative read.
One of the main headlines is ;
“Trends suggest that the number of people reported to be seeking help for homelessness has been reasonably stable in the UK since around 2013”"
Then why was it recently found that homelessness rates were about 5 times higher than gov stats said? Why has Shelter,the experts in this area, said there are hundreds of thousands of homelesss people in this country? Why do I see more homeless people in big cities every time I visit them?
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"The Office for National Statistics has a lengthy report on the subject. It’s an informative read.
One of the main headlines is ;
“Trends suggest that the number of people reported to be seeking help for homelessness has been reasonably stable in the UK since around 2013”
Then why was it recently found that homelessness rates were about 5 times higher than gov stats said? Why has Shelter,the experts in this area, said there are hundreds of thousands of homelesss people in this country? Why do I see more homeless people in big cities every time I visit them?
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Relationship break ups , drug and alcohol misuse, migrants with nowhere to live. And perversely, a recent in depth study in Belfast concluded that the majority of rough sleepers did so out of choice. They had somewhere to go , had refused help, and had made it a lifestyle choice to sleep rough. Many charities here recommended not to give homeless people who were begging , money; but give food instead as money just went on alcohol and drugs |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"The Office for National Statistics has a lengthy report on the subject. It’s an informative read.
One of the main headlines is ;
“Trends suggest that the number of people reported to be seeking help for homelessness has been reasonably stable in the UK since around 2013”
Then why was it recently found that homelessness rates were about 5 times higher than gov stats said? Why has Shelter,the experts in this area, said there are hundreds of thousands of homelesss people in this country? Why do I see more homeless people in big cities every time I visit them?
Relationship break ups , drug and alcohol misuse, migrants with nowhere to live. And perversely, a recent in depth study in Belfast concluded that the majority of rough sleepers did so out of choice. They had somewhere to go , had refused help, and had made it a lifestyle choice to sleep rough. Many charities here recommended not to give homeless people who were begging , money; but give food instead as money just went on alcohol and drugs "
I think some are getting confused between rough sleepers and what is called homelessness, councils have a duty to offer a roof to those sleeping rough but many refuse, my wife always stops me from giving cash as she says most spend it on booze, she works with social services and they often say people should not give them money but give to charities that help them over their addictions, it's a difficult one |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If it's taken at face value it's shocking but dug a bit deeper some are there because they won't give up drugs and alcohol yes they need help but if they want take it the streets are what's left.its not a dig I have been in to the units a lot have a policy of no drink and drugs so some would rather stop out than sleep on a bed but no matter what they still need help. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The Office for National Statistics has a lengthy report on the subject. It’s an informative read.
One of the main headlines is ;
“Trends suggest that the number of people reported to be seeking help for homelessness has been reasonably stable in the UK since around 2013”
Then why was it recently found that homelessness rates were about 5 times higher than gov stats said? Why has Shelter,the experts in this area, said there are hundreds of thousands of homelesss people in this country? Why do I see more homeless people in big cities every time I visit them?
Relationship break ups , drug and alcohol misuse, migrants with nowhere to live. And perversely, a recent in depth study in Belfast concluded that the majority of rough sleepers did so out of choice. They had somewhere to go , had refused help, and had made it a lifestyle choice to sleep rough. Many charities here recommended not to give homeless people who were begging , money; but give food instead as money just went on alcohol and drugs "
Hi. An interesting and informative post. It is difficult to see how the number of homeless people could have increased fivefold .
It would be interesting to see what evidence if any there is for this increase and who is classified as being homeless . On average for how long does someone remain homeless. ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Oh I would suggest that the lack of council housing, the zero hours contract gig economy, the spiralling cost of renting, and the inability to find guarantors may have something to do with the growth. There will always be a core group of homeless people whose inability to fit in with the world leads them to a life of drink drugs and burglary and many of them would rather sleep rough than go to night shelters where they may be abused, attacked or robbed by other homeless people. Many of them struggle with their mental health and various types of addictions and they are often the product of dysfunctional families, care homes and fostering, with a surprisingly high percentage of ex servicemen too. Its a complicated area which has been made worse by the withdrawal of funding to charities and the laissez faire attitude to greedy landlords of the tories. Please don't talk about market rent either as the fact is the lack of affordable council housing is driving the market. Very basic economics. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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in my last job I was on deliverys in and around Manchester city centre I noticed over the years a steady increase in the number of people living on the streets .some were addicted to spice some alcohol some were mentaly I'll but what I did notice were a large number of people who were just down o their luck mainly due to the iniquetous universal credit system driving them into debt or rent arrears . |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I'm v curious how right wing supporters of the Tories defend this at all. How can anybody defend the propogation of such senseless human misery?People vote for many different reasons but mainly for what effects them and there family.I would guess that while we all feel sad about the homeless situation it does not effect our voting and I bet it did not effect yours either.Get real about life
I actually do care a great deal about the plight of the homeless. It did affect my vote. Many people care. It's astonishing the Tories don't.
As for "get real about life". This is real life. That's why it's so awful. The real life of a homeless person is grinding misery, day after day. Nobody should have to live that way."
I admire you but your in a very small minority,have you offered a homeless person a bed for the night in this bad weather? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It looks like some posters on here may have missed this announcement ( taken from the HM gov website ) which details the various initiatives being undertaken to help the homeless . While no one should be homeless those homeless in 2010 numbered 1768 and rose to 4677 in 2018 .
Thousands of people will be prevented from falling into homelessness and sleeping rough on the streets thanks to millions of funding announced by the Prime Minister today (23 December 2019).
As part of his drive to tackle homelessness, over £260 million has been committed for local authorities to support people who are homeless or at risk of losing their homes.
The funding will empower councils across England to provide the best services for local needs, helping those experiencing homelessness in their area to improve their lives and get back on their feet.
Councils can use the funding to employ specialists to provide practical advice to vulnerable people to help ensure they are meeting their rent payments, as well as helping them to find long-term stable accommodation.
Visiting a rough sleeping shelter in London, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said:
It cannot be right in the 21st century that people are homeless or having to sleep on our streets, and this government will work tirelessly to bring this to an end.
This new funding is going to help councils provide better support to homeless people, and importantly, prevent people from becoming homeless in the first place.
But we have got to do even more, and we’re committed to expanding rough sleeping and homelessness programmes, and ensuring more integrated working between our local health and housing services.
I salute the Standard for their campaign on homelessness in London, particularly their vital work in supporting vulnerable women across the capital.
The Prime Minister has also confirmed the Cold Weather Fund will receive an additional £3 million, taking the total to £13 million, to enhance support available for rough sleepers during the winter period.
This new action forms part of a wider strategy to tackle all forms of homelessness. The government is already investing £1.2 billon to tackle homelessness, and last year introduced ambitious new legislation, the Homelessness Reduction Act to ensure people at risk of becoming homeless get help more quickly, with councils receiving funding to support them in these duties. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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I heard a little about this today and sounds promising but will upset the lefties here as they do not want to here that Boris is doing these things,the fact he is to the left of the tory party does get ignored by all the lefties as they are terrified he will do a good job and help people |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I heard a little about this today and sounds promising but will upset the lefties here as they do not want to here that Boris is doing these things,the fact he is to the left of the tory party does get ignored by all the lefties as they are terrified he will do a good job and help people"
Come again? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I heard a little about this today and sounds promising but will upset the lefties here as they do not want to here that Boris is doing these things,the fact he is to the left of the tory party does get ignored by all the lefties as they are terrified he will do a good job and help people"
Emma you really need to get off the merry go round of blaming lefties. Boris is promising to make everything better but he has to borrow unprecedented amounts of money to do so. I actually think we are heading for a wto crash out of europe which will be an interesting and scary ride. I hope you have savings |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I heard a little about this today and sounds promising but will upset the lefties here as they do not want to here that Boris is doing these things,the fact he is to the left of the tory party does get ignored by all the lefties as they are terrified he will do a good job and help people
Emma you really need to get off the merry go round of blaming lefties. Boris is promising to make everything better but he has to borrow unprecedented amounts of money to do so. I actually think we are heading for a wto crash out of europe which will be an interesting and scary ride. I hope you have savings"
It's like they've been brainwashed into believing those evil lefties are to blame for all the ills of society. They ignore the fact the Tories have been in power for a decade. Because acknowledging that fact would mean their precious Tories are the ones who are actually to blame. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Official figures show that in 2017/2018, 56,600 households were in priority need of housing. This compared to 135,000 under labour in 2003/2004. "
Official gov figures for rough sleeping were recently shown to be about 5 times lower than actual figures. At least. The gov has a vested interest in making such figures appear as low as possible.
If you don't believe any figures, just open your eyes in any big city. There are far more homeless people on the streets now. Or are all those homeless people secretly evil lefties in disguises?
Or talk to some homeless people. You'll hear more and more of them have been forced into the situation in recent years. And that they have been offered no help. And that they get hassled by police instead of helped by them. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I do speak to homeless people. Every week. Late at night in a soup kitchen I volunteer in. "
And do they say how wonderful the Tories are? And that it's marvellous how there are fewer and fewer homeless people like themselves forced onto the streets? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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(If you do actually volunteer to help them in such a way, good for you. I'm still baffled that you seem determined to ignore the scale of their suffering, though. Especially if you've witnessed it up close and personal.) |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Figures here are pretty static. And no they don’t talk politics. They are just thankful for getting a hot meal and for people giving up their time to help them out. "
From what I've witnessed by talking to the homeless and helping them out with food, there are more of them all the time in recent years. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Official figures show that in 2017/2018, 56,600 households were in priority need of housing. This compared to 135,000 under labour in 2003/2004. "
Homelessness is up around 180% since 2010.
Don’t compare this Tory govt. with a labour govt. from 15 years ago. Compare where we are now to where we were when the tories came to power. |
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There seems to have been a fairly high number of people who have voted in the same shower who have impaired the lifespans for millions, as well as sustained conditions enabling homelessness in the UK. It's tragic and certainly will have helped to result in the deaths of some, who lived without a home. |
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