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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon " Nope, some people are straight. | |||
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"Hi folk, wee question for you. I'm looking at men's profile which say straight but then it says looking for women & tv's. Surely a straight man would not be looking to have sex with a tv? These profiles should say bicurious? Constructive answers welcomed please. No nastiness." We've always said that too, they're just kidding themselves. They probably think that if a guy they have sex with dresses as a woman it doesn't count and they can still class themselves as straight.  | |||
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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon " I’d say at least 90% | |||
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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon Nope, some people are straight."  | |||
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" Regardless of what they're wearing or what they identity as.. Then listing as 'straight' is being dishonest and misleading. No, I'm not being narrow minded, so don't get all defensive or attack me." I mean, you are actually being narrow minded, this statement is blatantly transphobic | |||
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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon " Most do but very few will admit it | |||
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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon I’d say at least 90%" I think that 'optomistic' percentage is just wishful thinking on the part of gay/bi guys. | |||
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" I think that 'optomistic' percentage is just wishful thinking on the part of gay/bi guys. "Not really, it’s experience of all the DL married guys that message us on grindr lol | |||
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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon I’d say at least 90% I think that 'optomistic' percentage is just wishful thinking on the part of gay/bi guys. "I agree with this, very wishful thinking by alot of men on here. Mr has no interest in cock. | |||
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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon I’d say at least 90% I think that 'optomistic' percentage is just wishful thinking on the part of gay/bi guys.
I agree with this, very wishful thinking by alot of men on here. Mr has no interest in cock."Maybe not 90% of the general population but definitely 90% men on here. I get more approaches on here from str8 men than on fabguys with both my tv profile and male profile | |||
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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon I’d say at least 90% I think that 'optomistic' percentage is just wishful thinking on the part of gay/bi guys.
I agree with this, very wishful thinking by alot of men on here. Mr has no interest in cock.
Maybe not 90% of the general population but definitely 90% men on here.
I get more approaches on here from str8 men than on fabguys with both my tv profile and male profile "Very interesting point Steph. I wonder why they list themselves as straight if they're into blokes ? | |||
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" Very interesting point Steph. I wonder why they list themselves as straight if they're into blokes ? " Internalised biphobia is rampant | |||
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"What's internalised biphobia ? " When bi people have biphobic beliefs or are ashamed of being bi | |||
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"What's internalised biphobia ? When bi people have biphobic beliefs or are ashamed of being bi" Very interesting, thankyou. | |||
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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon Nope, some people are straight." Remarkably few people have absolutely NO bi curiosity from my experience. But if a person is bi, why would that be a problem to a straight person of the opposite sex? They're just as likely to like that person as someone of the same sex, surely? | |||
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" Very interesting point Steph. I wonder why they list themselves as straight if they're into blokes ? Internalised biphobia is rampant" I think it’s more to do with the whole debate on this thread, If they list as bi they decrease their chances of a meet even further. Also some guys think if it’s a TV it’s not a bisexual act 🤷♀️🤦♂️ | |||
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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon " No we don't | |||
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"What's internalised biphobia ? When bi people have biphobic beliefs or are ashamed of being bi" Or they simply want to have all options available by declining to admit their honest and actual interest. | |||
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"What's internalised biphobia ? When bi people have biphobic beliefs or are ashamed of being bi Or they simply want to have all options available by declining to admit their honest and actual interest." Good point, so they pretend to be straight incase it puts people off meeting them ? Which is a worry because if they're hiding their sexuality what else could they be hiding ? | |||
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"I think there are multiple aspects to this: - If a guy expresses some bi-curiosity on the profile, then they can also get pestered in messages (albeit no where near the level of you ladies). But it can be annoying. - There is a big difference between cock appreciation / enjoyment and full attraction to the opposite sex (many straight guys can enjoy the sexual pleasure involved, but have zero attraction to the opposite sex and therefore consider themselves straight). - a very feminine TS can perhaps bridge that difference and why many are interested in connecting with them (but agree that differentiation with CD & TV is needed). The way I see it anyway ✌️ " Edit: Swap 'opposite sex' for 'same sex' in points above - doh! 🤦♂️ | |||
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"We find alot of men tell they are bi or curious but have str8 on their profile. So we just block them. If they can't be honest at that level then there is no hope for anything else." Yeah same here. I feel bad for anyone stuck in the closet, but I'm not going to pity fuck them lol | |||
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 exible lol I fall into this category, was on here for a long time Str8 on profile and being totally honest I think it's a combination of
Sexual freedom on the site influence
TV/CDs seem more contactable
Dressed retains a femme element hence Hetexible lol | |||
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"Hi folk, wee question for you. I'm looking at men's profile which say straight but then it says looking for women & tv's. Surely a straight man would not be looking to have sex with a tv? These profiles should say bicurious? Constructive answers welcomed please. No nastiness." I wouldn’t think too much about how others choose to define their sexuality. | |||
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"Hi folk, wee question for you. I'm looking at men's profile which say straight but then it says looking for women & tv's. Surely a straight man would not be looking to have sex with a tv? These profiles should say bicurious? Constructive answers welcomed please. No nastiness." I get lots of so called straight guys asking to meet up, I think they put straight on their profile to stand a chance of meeting others that won’t meet bi guys. | |||
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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon Nope, some people are straight." me too 100% straight. | |||
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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon " It was a strange one for me, I got to about 40 and started being curious. | |||
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"Most Bi and curious guys seem to have a straight profile. It’s a shame people feel they cannot be honest with themselves and everyone else on a site like this. " Alot of women and couples say "no bi guys" on their profile thats why alot of guys lie about being bi. | |||
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" However, I do find the more convincing T/S attractive. " Can we please stop with the “convincing”? It implies you don’t really think we are who we say we are… | |||
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" However, I do find the more convincing T/S attractive. Can we please stop with the “convincing”? It implies you don’t really think we are who we say we are…" Hear hear. | |||
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"Most Bi and curious guys seem to have a straight profile. It’s a shame people feel they cannot be honest with themselves and everyone else on a site like this. Alot of women and couples say "no bi guys" on their profile thats why alot of guys lie about being bi." You're right.Myself and gay friends get lots of contacts from "straight" guys. | |||
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" However, I do find the more convincing T/S attractive. Can we please stop with the “convincing”? It implies you don’t really think we are who we say we are…" If you dont look like a woman the a straight guy probably isnt going to be attracted | |||
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"Have you seen the ts women on here? Some of them are utterly gorgeous! It has little to do with them having a cock ffs. You are straight if you fancy women and ts women look like women." Sorry mate but your bi-curious at the very least. If you fuck a TV or trans your bi. | |||
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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon " Why can't some bi guys just accept that people can be 100% straight? | |||
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" If you dont look like a woman the a straight guy probably isnt going to be attracted " Not the point, we’re not trying to “convince” anyone, and we’re certainly not transitioning for the sake of men. | |||
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"Have you seen the ts women on here? Some of them are utterly gorgeous! It has little to do with them having a cock ffs. You are straight if you fancy women and ts women look like women. Sorry mate but your bi-curious at the very least. If you fuck a TV or trans your bi. " Nope. Guess again. A person who looks like scarlett johansen is going to be attractive to me as a straight male regardless of what is hidden in their knickers | |||
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"Have you seen the ts women on here? Some of them are utterly gorgeous! It has little to do with them having a cock ffs. You are straight if you fancy women and ts women look like women. Sorry mate but your bi-curious at the very least. If you fuck a TV or trans your bi. Nope. Guess again. A person who looks like scarlett johansen is going to be attractive to me as a straight male regardless of what is hidden in their knickers " Good look with a scarlett Johansen look alike.
Alot of couples and single females will reject you because you put on your profile, your looking for tvs. | |||
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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon I’d say at least 90% I think that 'optomistic' percentage is just wishful thinking on the part of gay/bi guys.
I agree with this, very wishful thinking by alot of men on here. Mr has no interest in cock.
Maybe not 90% of the general population but definitely 90% men on here.
I get more approaches on here from str8 men than on fabguys with both my tv profile and male profile
Very interesting point Steph. I wonder why they list themselves as straight if they're into blokes ? "Chancers wanting to edge their bets. We think it puts a lot of genuinely straight couples from joining the site, it seems to be becoming a gay/bi guy site even though we already have Fab Guys. As for bi guys saying they can play straight, that's not the point, many women in a straight couple don't like the idea of playing with a bi guy, they just don't find the idea attractive. Not every woman like to see a guy having sex with another guy or the thought of them having done so. | |||
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"Thanks to all for answering. Don't shoot me down but in the simplified form if you are remotely interested in someone of the same sex - and to avoid any confusion - A woman attracted to a woman Or A man attracted to a man Regardless of what they're wearing or what they identity as.. Then listing as 'straight' is being dishonest and misleading. No, I'm not being narrow minded, so don't get all defensive or attack me. Personally, I'm looking for a genuinely 'straight' man. Oh, and as an add on - the number of men that have a straight profile and a bi profile. Just be honest, please. Come on, behave yourselves." ___ Struggling here to get your POV. You ask people not to attack you or being defensive, but you attack these men calling them dishonest. They are not. Their profiles say exactly what they want to say. And by making it clear and openly, you are not deceived, you can see quickly that they are not the "genuinely straight" that you are looking for. They feel straight and at the same time they are looking for both women and TS/TVs. If you don't see their logic, then clearly those men are not for you, so not sure why it bothers you and other people so much? | |||
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"I find woman attractive and think about sex with them. I do on the other hand enjoy sex with men but not attracted to them the same way as I am to women. I will kiss and do pretty much the same with men as I do women. This sound weird I only find man attractive when I know the are gay or bi However, I do find the more convincing T/S attractive. I married to a woman but in another life could easily be happy with a man or t/s. Ultimate fantasy is to sleep with a man in bed and give him a sleep BJ Not sure what that makes me ? " Bi | |||
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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon I’d say at least 90% I think that 'optomistic' percentage is just wishful thinking on the part of gay/bi guys.
I agree with this, very wishful thinking by alot of men on here. Mr has no interest in cock."Totally agree with this, my hubby is the same. | |||
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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon I’d say at least 90% I think that 'optomistic' percentage is just wishful thinking on the part of gay/bi guys.
I agree with this, very wishful thinking by alot of men on here. Mr has no interest in cock.
Maybe not 90% of the general population but definitely 90% men on here.
I get more approaches on here from str8 men than on fabguys with both my tv profile and male profile
Very interesting point Steph. I wonder why they list themselves as straight if they're into blokes ?
Chancers wanting to edge their bets. We think it puts a lot of genuinely straight couples from joining the site, it seems to be becoming a gay/bi guy site even though we already have Fab Guys. As for bi guys saying they can play straight, that's not the point, many women in a straight couple don't like the idea of playing with a bi guy, they just don't find the idea attractive. Not every woman like to see a guy having sex with another guy or the thought of them having done so."Absolutely this. | |||
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I'm 100% straight & have no interest in another guys bits, my preference that's all but when a bi guy puts on his status, "I would love to suck & spoil a straight guy  " surely if a straight guy gets sucked by another guy, he's got to be gay or bi? He can't be straight or have I missed something? | |||
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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon " Well said | |||
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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon Well said "Absolutely agree! However, if a guy or a woman want to define themselves as straight and have occasional same-sex fun, it is really up to them? Maybe they aren't being honest with themselves but it is their own business. You shouldn't judge them. Sexuality is a spectrum and I think it can be fluid too. Maybe at some point they will put bi or bi-curious. There still seems to be a stigma about bisexual males even in the swinging community. | |||
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"Straight guys message me to suck their dick. " Get that too! | |||
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"Hi folk, wee question for you. I'm looking at men's profile which say straight but then it says looking for women & tv's. Surely a straight man would not be looking to have sex with a tv? These profiles should say bicurious? Constructive answers welcomed please. No nastiness." There's also a tonne of profiles stating no men or tv's and yet their entire friend list which they have made visible is just...men | |||
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"There should be an option of orally bi " I know some gay guys who only do oral though | |||
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"Have you seen the ts women on here? Some of them are utterly gorgeous! It has little to do with them having a cock ffs. You are straight if you fancy women and ts women look like women. Sorry mate but your bi-curious at the very least. If you fuck a TV or trans your bi. Nope. Guess again. A person who looks like scarlett johansen is going to be attractive to me as a straight male regardless of what is hidden in their knickers Good look with a scarlett Johansen look alike.
Alot of couples and single females will reject you because you put on your profile, your looking for tvs. "A lot will reject you if you don't know "your" from "you're". More, I'd have thunk. | |||
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"Have you seen the ts women on here? Some of them are utterly gorgeous! It has little to do with them having a cock ffs. You are straight if you fancy women and ts women look like women. Sorry mate but your bi-curious at the very least. If you fuck a TV or trans your bi. Nope. Guess again. A person who looks like scarlett johansen is going to be attractive to me as a straight male regardless of what is hidden in their knickers Good look with a scarlett Johansen look alike.
Alot of couples and single females will reject you because you put on your profile, your looking for tvs.
A lot will reject you if you don't know "your" from "you're". More, I'd have thunk.". Thought.. not thunk if your going to be picky | |||
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"A lot see TS as still being with a girl, it’s a stepping stone or a taster. " I’ve always found it really funny that so many men look for a trans girls to explore their bisexuality. Trans girls are rare as hen’s teeth. We’re genuinely unicorns and can afford to be very picky. It’s so much easier to find a man to get with. | |||
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"Thanks to all for answering. Don't shoot me down but in the simplified form if you are remotely interested in someone of the same sex - and to avoid any confusion - A woman attracted to a woman Or A man attracted to a man Regardless of what they're wearing or what they identity as.. Then listing as 'straight' is being dishonest and misleading. No, I'm not being narrow minded, so don't get all defensive or attack me. Personally, I'm looking for a genuinely 'straight' man. Oh, and as an add on - the number of men that have a straight profile and a bi profile. Just be honest, please. Come on, behave yourselves." I know people who would argue that they are not actually attracted to the actual person but are turned on by the sex act, the scenario or the naughtiness . I meet a straight footballer who is half my age and not turned on by me but is obsessed with the fact he is being so naughty sucking cock. His kink is that and not that he's attracted to a person particularly Just the genitals. Everybody has their own way in their life. Love and let live I say because life can be very short. | |||
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"A lot see TS as still being with a girl, it’s a stepping stone or a taster. I’ve always found it really funny that so many men look for a trans girls to explore their bisexuality. Trans girls are rare as hen’s teeth. We’re genuinely unicorns and can afford to be very picky. It’s so much easier to find a man to get with." I'd say this is very very true. I know a true intersex person and two trans girls. They are not at all like the Tvs I see on the site. I'm sure they get harassed by men and can pick who they want very easily. | |||
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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon Nope, some people are straight." Very few. The ones I've met that have been unequivocally "straight" have often turned out to be not quite so later on. There are many surprises. It's no big deal at all. It's sex. It's fun. Just do not hurt people. | |||
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"I'm very very confused about all this I'm 100% straight & have no interest in another guys bits, my preference that's all but when a bi guy puts on his status, "I would love to suck & spoil a straight guy " surely if a straight guy gets sucked by another guy, he's got to be gay or bi? He can't be straight or have I missed something? "Why is someone's mouth suddenly gay? You fancy an incredible BJ and nothing else then it's the mouth that matters. You're not doing anything else sexual at all. Go to a glory hole for a mind blowing blow job then you never need to think about who is doing the sucking. Could be absolutely anyone so use your imagination for you favourite and filthiest scenario and just enjoy it. | |||
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"Hi folk, wee question for you. I'm looking at men's profile which say straight but then it says looking for women & tv's. Surely a straight man would not be looking to have sex with a tv? These profiles should say bicurious? Constructive answers welcomed please. No nastiness." Some people specify no bi men, so single guys list themselves as straight then message others that are looking for bi guys telling them that they’re really Bi. When you point out that they are deceiving people to get sex and that this is a form of sa they then throw their toys out of their prams and get abusive. So it’s done by dishonest people. Hope that helps. Incidentally we look forward to the inevitable defence of this shady practice in our dms or on the forum. It’s a good filter! | |||
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" Some people specify no bi men, so single guys list themselves as straight then message others that are looking for bi guys telling them that they’re really Bi. When you point out that they are deceiving people to get sex and that this is a form of sa they then throw their toys out of their prams and get abusive. So it’s done by dishonest people. Hope that helps. bang on and totally agree...a liar is a liar no matter how you dress it up "It isn't dishonest. Many ts women look like women and are stunners. That's straight to fancy them in my book. | |||
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"Don’t we all just walk a bit on the bi side….? C’mon Nope, some people are straight. Very few. The ones I've met that have been unequivocally "straight" have often turned out to be not quite so later on. There are many surprises. It's no big deal at all. It's sex. It's fun. Just do not hurt people." Yep I agree some will lie about it, but others aren't lying when they say straight. I tend to look at pics and veries to get a bigger picture, as I've seen couples where the lady is playing with other women and has written straight,as she doesn't feel bi. It's much easier if people are upfront about things though. It is a big deal if you tell someone you're straight and they still try to change what you've discussed. For example I'm straight and half a couple, we've chatted to couples and explained we only do partner swap, full or soft. They've said that's cool they're happy to play that way, then later it's well will you kiss my Mrs or touch her etc. We block at that point, we've even been told by a couple that his Mrs could turn me bi. That attitude is what can annoy others,some just don't respect others preference and boundaries. It's not just men, it's women too. So while I get there's plenty of fab straight people, there are also a fair few people who are telling the truth about being straight too. | |||
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"Hi folk, wee question for you. I'm looking at men's profile which say straight but then it says looking for women & tv's. Surely a straight man would not be looking to have sex with a tv? These profiles should say bicurious? Constructive answers welcomed please. No nastiness. Some people specify no bi men, so single guys list themselves as straight then message others that are looking for bi guys telling them that they’re really Bi. When you point out that they are deceiving people to get sex and that this is a form of sa they then throw their toys out of their prams and get abusive. So it’s done by dishonest people. Hope that helps. Incidentally we look forward to the inevitable defence of this shady practice in our dms or on the forum. It’s a good filter! " I get bi visibility, I get the importance of honesty but also believe that identification or otherwise is an individual choice that doesn't need to be imposed by the opinions of others. | |||
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"Hi folk, wee question for you. I'm looking at men's profile which say straight but then it says looking for women & tv's. Surely a straight man would not be looking to have sex with a tv? These profiles should say bicurious? Constructive answers welcomed please. No nastiness. Some people specify no bi men, so single guys list themselves as straight then message others that are looking for bi guys telling them that they’re really Bi. When you point out that they are deceiving people to get sex and that this is a form of sa they then throw their toys out of their prams and get abusive. So it’s done by dishonest people. Hope that helps. Incidentally we look forward to the inevitable defence of this shady practice in our dms or on the forum. It’s a good filter! I get bi visibility, I get the importance of honesty but also believe that identification or otherwise is an individual choice that doesn't need to be imposed by the opinions of others." But if someone doesn’t want to engage with a bu person, saying you’re straight is deceptive and manipulative! Ergo in legal terms the crime we’re not allowed to say on this forum! | |||
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"Hi folk, wee question for you. I'm looking at men's profile which say straight but then it says looking for women & tv's. Surely a straight man would not be looking to have sex with a tv? These profiles should say bicurious? Constructive answers welcomed please. No nastiness. Some people specify no bi men, so single guys list themselves as straight then message others that are looking for bi guys telling them that they’re really Bi. When you point out that they are deceiving people to get sex and that this is a form of sa they then throw their toys out of their prams and get abusive. So it’s done by dishonest people. Hope that helps. Incidentally we look forward to the inevitable defence of this shady practice in our dms or on the forum. It’s a good filter! I get bi visibility, I get the importance of honesty but also believe that identification or otherwise is an individual choice that doesn't need to be imposed by the opinions of others. But if someone doesn’t want to engage with a bu person, saying you’re straight is deceptive and manipulative! Ergo in legal terms the crime we’re not allowed to say on this forum!" No. It isnt disguising your biological sex it is simply not telling someone your sexual history. That isn't illegal! World gone mad | |||
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"“Straight “ If you look feminine then any hole a goal lol " Vulgar and repulsive comment | |||
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"“Straight “ If you look feminine then any hole a goal lol Vulgar and repulsive comment " 👍 | |||
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"Hi folk, wee question for you. I'm looking at men's profile which say straight but then it says looking for women & tv's. Surely a straight man would not be looking to have sex with a tv? These profiles should say bicurious? Constructive answers welcomed please. No nastiness. Some people specify no bi men, so single guys list themselves as straight then message others that are looking for bi guys telling them that they’re really Bi. When you point out that they are deceiving people to get sex and that this is a form of sa they then throw their toys out of their prams and get abusive. So it’s done by dishonest people. Hope that helps. Incidentally we look forward to the inevitable defence of this shady practice in our dms or on the forum. It’s a good filter! I get bi visibility, I get the importance of honesty but also believe that identification or otherwise is an individual choice that doesn't need to be imposed by the opinions of others. But if someone doesn’t want to engage with a bu person, saying you’re straight is deceptive and manipulative! Ergo in legal terms the crime we’re not allowed to say on this forum!" Intentional deception for that purpose is wrong but so allowing no space for self identification. | |||
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"Hi folk, wee question for you. I'm looking at men's profile which say straight but then it says looking for women & tv's. Surely a straight man would not be looking to have sex with a tv? These profiles should say bicurious? Constructive answers welcomed please. No nastiness. Some people specify no bi men, so single guys list themselves as straight then message others that are looking for bi guys telling them that they’re really Bi. When you point out that they are deceiving people to get sex and that this is a form of sa they then throw their toys out of their prams and get abusive. So it’s done by dishonest people. Hope that helps. Incidentally we look forward to the inevitable defence of this shady practice in our dms or on the forum. It’s a good filter! I get bi visibility, I get the importance of honesty but also believe that identification or otherwise is an individual choice that doesn't need to be imposed by the opinions of others. But if someone doesn’t want to engage with a bu person, saying you’re straight is deceptive and manipulative! Ergo in legal terms the crime we’re not allowed to say on this forum! Intentional deception for that purpose is wrong but so allowing no space for self identification." Telling someone you are straight when you are bi is a lie but that doesn't make it immoral. Not all deceptions are immoral. Esp given noone is harmed by this. I guess it depends if you are more teleological it matters less than if you tend towards deontological ethics in your worldview. If you lie to a life partner whom you love about the fundamentals of who you are then that is probably unreasonable and at the very least means your relationship is based ona significant falsehood. Then again, if your partner would end it with you because hypothetically if you werent together you may be with someone of the same sex instead then they are probably overreacting and a little homophobic and non trusting. If you lie to someone you purely are having fun with then how is any harm done at all? Both parties get their rocks off and there is no moral obligation for either of you to disclose your sexual appetite. If A doesnt tell B they like to be pegged then does that mean B has been betrayed even though it has nothing to do with their sexual interaction? Let's get some basic ethical philosophy in here and ask why so many people feel this would be an extreme breach of "trust" | |||
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"Hi folk, wee question for you. I'm looking at men's profile which say straight but then it says looking for women & tv's. Surely a straight man would not be looking to have sex with a tv? These profiles should say bicurious? Constructive answers welcomed please. No nastiness. Some people specify no bi men, so single guys list themselves as straight then message others that are looking for bi guys telling them that they’re really Bi. When you point out that they are deceiving people to get sex and that this is a form of sa they then throw their toys out of their prams and get abusive. So it’s done by dishonest people. Hope that helps. Incidentally we look forward to the inevitable defence of this shady practice in our dms or on the forum. It’s a good filter! I get bi visibility, I get the importance of honesty but also believe that identification or otherwise is an individual choice that doesn't need to be imposed by the opinions of others. But if someone doesn’t want to engage with a bu person, saying you’re straight is deceptive and manipulative! Ergo in legal terms the crime we’re not allowed to say on this forum! Intentional deception for that purpose is wrong but so allowing no space for self identification. Telling someone you are straight when you are bi is a lie but that doesn't make it immoral. Not all deceptions are immoral. Esp given noone is harmed by this. I guess it depends if you are more teleological it matters less than if you tend towards deontological ethics in your worldview. If you lie to a life partner whom you love about the fundamentals of who you are then that is probably unreasonable and at the very least means your relationship is based ona significant falsehood. Then again, if your partner would end it with you because hypothetically if you werent together you may be with someone of the same sex instead then they are probably overreacting and a little homophobic and non trusting. If you lie to someone you purely are having fun with then how is any harm done at all? Both parties get their rocks off and there is no moral obligation for either of you to disclose your sexual appetite. If A doesnt tell B they like to be pegged then does that mean B has been betrayed even though it has nothing to do with their sexual interaction? Let's get some basic ethical philosophy in here and ask why so many people feel this would be an extreme breach of "trust"" Never mind philosophy, what about honesty and respect, 2 of the basic things that the swinging lifestyle should be based on. No matter what words you use to try to dress it up dishonesty and deception are exactly that and they are immoral. If a couple don't want to meet with a guy who has sex with other men, in whatever shape or form, then that wish should be respected with no exceptions. Any guy who has sex in any way with other guys should adhere to this request. If they don't that's disrespectful, decietful and dishonest purely and simply. It's the same as selling goods misreprisentation is deciet, on this site your selling yourself to others and it should be done honestly and truthfuly. Surely bi-guys aren't that hard up for sex that they have to decive to get it, unless of course it's the deception that gives them an extra buzz. | |||
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"Hi folk, wee question for you. I'm looking at men's profile which say straight but then it says looking for women & tv's. Surely a straight man would not be looking to have sex with a tv? These profiles should say bicurious? Constructive answers welcomed please. No nastiness. Some people specify no bi men, so single guys list themselves as straight then message others that are looking for bi guys telling them that they’re really Bi. When you point out that they are deceiving people to get sex and that this is a form of sa they then throw their toys out of their prams and get abusive. So it’s done by dishonest people. Hope that helps. Incidentally we look forward to the inevitable defence of this shady practice in our dms or on the forum. It’s a good filter! I get bi visibility, I get the importance of honesty but also believe that identification or otherwise is an individual choice that doesn't need to be imposed by the opinions of others. But if someone doesn’t want to engage with a bu person, saying you’re straight is deceptive and manipulative! Ergo in legal terms the crime we’re not allowed to say on this forum! Intentional deception for that purpose is wrong but so allowing no space for self identification. Telling someone you are straight when you are bi is a lie but that doesn't make it immoral. Not all deceptions are immoral. Esp given noone is harmed by this. I guess it depends if you are more teleological it matters less than if you tend towards deontological ethics in your worldview. If you lie to a life partner whom you love about the fundamentals of who you are then that is probably unreasonable and at the very least means your relationship is based ona significant falsehood. Then again, if your partner would end it with you because hypothetically if you werent together you may be with someone of the same sex instead then they are probably overreacting and a little homophobic and non trusting. If you lie to someone you purely are having fun with then how is any harm done at all? Both parties get their rocks off and there is no moral obligation for either of you to disclose your sexual appetite. If A doesnt tell B they like to be pegged then does that mean B has been betrayed even though it has nothing to do with their sexual interaction? Let's get some basic ethical philosophy in here and ask why so many people feel this would be an extreme breach of "trust" Never mind philosophy, what about honesty and respect, 2 of the basic things that the swinging lifestyle should be based on. No matter what words you use to try to dress it up dishonesty and deception are exactly that and they are immoral. If a couple don't want to meet with a guy who has sex with other men, in whatever shape or form, then that wish should be respected with no exceptions. Any guy who has sex in any way with other guys should adhere to this request. If they don't that's disrespectful, decietful and dishonest purely and simply. It's the same as selling goods misreprisentation is deciet, on this site your selling yourself to others and it should be done honestly and truthfuly. Surely bi-guys aren't that hard up for sex that they have to decive to get it, unless of course it's the deception that gives them an extra buzz. " 👏👏👏 | |||
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"A lot see TS as still being with a girl, it’s a stepping stone or a taster. I’ve always found it really funny that so many men look for a trans girls to explore their bisexuality. Trans girls are rare as hen’s teeth. We’re genuinely unicorns and can afford to be very picky. It’s so much easier to find a man to get with." I think a lot of straight identifying men also see us as "easier" than cis girls which is hilarious given that almost every other trans girl I know doesn't fuck with cis men *at all* | |||
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" Never mind philosophy, what about honesty and respect, 2 of the basic things that the swinging lifestyle should be based on. No matter what words you use to try to dress it up dishonesty and deception are exactly that and they are immoral. If a couple don't want to meet with a guy who has sex with other men, in whatever shape or form, then that wish should be respected with no exceptions. Any guy who has sex in any way with other guys should adhere to this request. If they don't that's disrespectful, decietful and dishonest purely and simply. It's the same as selling goods misreprisentation is deciet, on this site your selling yourself to others and it should be done honestly and truthfuly. Surely bi-guys aren't that hard up for sex that they have to decive to get it, unless of course it's the deception that gives them an extra buzz. " This comes across as incredibly privileged. Nobody is obliged to disclose their sexual history, sexual orientation or gender identity to anyone, particularly when doing so may put them at risk of discrimination and violence. You simply don’t have a right to that private information. | |||
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" Never mind philosophy, what about honesty and respect, 2 of the basic things that the swinging lifestyle should be based on. No matter what words you use to try to dress it up dishonesty and deception are exactly that and they are immoral. If a couple don't want to meet with a guy who has sex with other men, in whatever shape or form, then that wish should be respected with no exceptions. Any guy who has sex in any way with other guys should adhere to this request. If they don't that's disrespectful, decietful and dishonest purely and simply. It's the same as selling goods misreprisentation is deciet, on this site your selling yourself to others and it should be done honestly and truthfuly. Surely bi-guys aren't that hard up for sex that they have to decive to get it, unless of course it's the deception that gives them an extra buzz. This comes across as incredibly privileged. Nobody is obliged to disclose their sexual history, sexual orientation or gender identity to anyone, particularly when doing so may put them at risk of discrimination and violence. You simply don’t have a right to that private information." but they do need to disclose it if looking for a bi man and when a man pops up with straight on his profile claiming he is bi then that makes him a liar | |||
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" Never mind philosophy, what about honesty and respect, 2 of the basic things that the swinging lifestyle should be based on. No matter what words you use to try to dress it up dishonesty and deception are exactly that and they are immoral. If a couple don't want to meet with a guy who has sex with other men, in whatever shape or form, then that wish should be respected with no exceptions. Any guy who has sex in any way with other guys should adhere to this request. If they don't that's disrespectful, decietful and dishonest purely and simply. It's the same as selling goods misreprisentation is deciet, on this site your selling yourself to others and it should be done honestly and truthfuly. Surely bi-guys aren't that hard up for sex that they have to decive to get it, unless of course it's the deception that gives them an extra buzz. This comes across as incredibly privileged. Nobody is obliged to disclose their sexual history, sexual orientation or gender identity to anyone, particularly when doing so may put them at risk of discrimination and violence. You simply don’t have a right to that private information." Absolutely. It's a choice. | |||
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"I’m bi crossdresser and I meet more straight men than bi or gay " you truly think that! gonna burst your bubble.."they are not straight" lol | |||
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"Just my thoughts, outside of sex, people are labelled heterosexual, bisexual, gay lesbian whatever, that is who they are but as far as sex goes, to me that is just a pleasurable game, however you get your orgasm or whatever, it’s just pleasure, I don’t think a person should be labelled when sex is involved it’s just a free fun for all pleasurable time, that’s only my thoughts" That used to be known as "Any holes a goal". Of course "people should be labelled when sex is involved", it may be a free for all as far as your concerned but others may be more selective. No matter how you get your pleasure, using deception to get it is still dishonest and wrong. People have a right to know who they're playing with. | |||
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" Never mind philosophy, what about honesty and respect, 2 of the basic things that the swinging lifestyle should be based on. No matter what words you use to try to dress it up dishonesty and deception are exactly that and they are immoral. If a couple don't want to meet with a guy who has sex with other men, in whatever shape or form, then that wish should be respected with no exceptions. Any guy who has sex in any way with other guys should adhere to this request. If they don't that's disrespectful, decietful and dishonest purely and simply. It's the same as selling goods misreprisentation is deciet, on this site your selling yourself to others and it should be done honestly and truthfuly. Surely bi-guys aren't that hard up for sex that they have to decive to get it, unless of course it's the deception that gives them an extra buzz. This comes across as incredibly privileged. Nobody is obliged to disclose their sexual history, sexual orientation or gender identity to anyone, particularly when doing so may put them at risk of discrimination and violence. You simply don’t have a right to that private information. but they do need to disclose it if looking for a bi man and when a man pops up with straight on his profile claiming he is bi then that makes him a liar" Legally you have to disclose biological sex. Someone went to prison recently for misleading a woman to think they were a man whilst they were actually a lesbian who deceived them | |||
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" Legally you have to disclose biological sex. Someone went to prison recently for misleading a woman to think they were a man whilst they were actually a lesbian who deceived them" This case law wouldn’t likely apply to trans people, who are not deceiving anyone and are their acquired sex in law. | |||
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"Hi folk, wee question for you. I'm looking at men's profile which say straight but then it says looking for women & tv's. Surely a straight man would not be looking to have sex with a tv? These profiles should say bicurious? Constructive answers welcomed please. No nastiness. Some people specify no bi men, so single guys list themselves as straight then message others that are looking for bi guys telling them that they’re really Bi. When you point out that they are deceiving people to get sex and that this is a form of sa they then throw their toys out of their prams and get abusive. So it’s done by dishonest people. Hope that helps. Incidentally we look forward to the inevitable defence of this shady practice in our dms or on the forum. It’s a good filter! I get bi visibility, I get the importance of honesty but also believe that identification or otherwise is an individual choice that doesn't need to be imposed by the opinions of others. But if someone doesn’t want to engage with a bu person, saying you’re straight is deceptive and manipulative! Ergo in legal terms the crime we’re not allowed to say on this forum! Intentional deception for that purpose is wrong but so allowing no space for self identification. Telling someone you are straight when you are bi is a lie but that doesn't make it immoral. Not all deceptions are immoral. Esp given noone is harmed by this. I guess it depends if you are more teleological it matters less than if you tend towards deontological ethics in your worldview. If you lie to a life partner whom you love about the fundamentals of who you are then that is probably unreasonable and at the very least means your relationship is based ona significant falsehood. Then again, if your partner would end it with you because hypothetically if you werent together you may be with someone of the same sex instead then they are probably overreacting and a little homophobic and non trusting. If you lie to someone you purely are having fun with then how is any harm done at all? Both parties get their rocks off and there is no moral obligation for either of you to disclose your sexual appetite. If A doesnt tell B they like to be pegged then does that mean B has been betrayed even though it has nothing to do with their sexual interaction? Let's get some basic ethical philosophy in here and ask why so many people feel this would be an extreme breach of "trust" Never mind philosophy, what about honesty and respect, 2 of the basic things that the swinging lifestyle should be based on. No matter what words you use to try to dress it up dishonesty and deception are exactly that and they are immoral. If a couple don't want to meet with a guy who has sex with other men, in whatever shape or form, then that wish should be respected with no exceptions. Any guy who has sex in any way with other guys should adhere to this request. If they don't that's disrespectful, decietful and dishonest purely and simply. It's the same as selling goods misreprisentation is deciet, on this site your selling yourself to others and it should be done honestly and truthfuly. Surely bi-guys aren't that hard up for sex that they have to decive to get it, unless of course it's the deception that gives them an extra buzz. 👏👏👏" | |||
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" Legally you have to disclose biological sex. Someone went to prison recently for misleading a woman to think they were a man whilst they were actually a lesbian who deceived them This case law wouldn’t likely apply to trans people, who are not deceiving anyone and are their acquired sex in law." You're joking, surely? What is acquired sex? Do women have to "acquire" their sex now? | |||
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" Legally you have to disclose biological sex. Someone went to prison recently for misleading a woman to think they were a man whilst they were actually a lesbian who deceived them This case law wouldn’t likely apply to trans people, who are not deceiving anyone and are their acquired sex in law. You're joking, surely? What is acquired sex? Do women have to "acquire" their sex now?" No, I’m absolutely not joking. UK law treats being trans as privileged information. Trans people do not have to disclose to anyone, and it’s potentially a criminal offense if someone else discloses their trans status. Historically lots of people have lived completely stealth lives. Acquired sex is the sex trans people change to, as opposed to their birth sex. No cis women do not have this, because they do not change their sex. | |||
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"First things first. There has been no record of any kind of someone changing their sex, it's impossible. A legal fiction doesn't magically make anyone another sex. In regards to a transwoman having sex with a man (who may(d*unkenly) think he's having sex with a woman) who, then later finds about it, then it isn't consensual. Sex by deception is still against the law." Ah I see, you’re just a transphobe. Not going to waste my time then. But I’m afraid you are just incorrect, the law wouldn’t consider it deception because they are legally female. | |||
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"I get messages of straight guys but when asked they say women dont like bi guys as it puts them off " You would hope people would get over that old stigma | |||
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"I get messages of straight guys but when asked they say women dont like bi guys as it puts them off " Exactly, and they should respect the couples decision not use deception and lies to trick them into having sex. Thats on the same level as a couple/woman who insist on condoms meeting a guy who takes his condom off before entering the woman. Deceit and dishonesty, both going against the couple/womans wishes and the second one tantamount to unlawful sex as far as the law goes. | |||
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"First things first. There has been no record of any kind of someone changing their sex, it's impossible. A legal fiction doesn't magically make anyone another sex. In regards to a transwoman having sex with a man (who may(d*unkenly) think he's having sex with a woman) who, then later finds about it, then it isn't consensual. Sex by deception is still against the law. Ah I see, you’re just a transphobe. Not going to waste my time then. But I’m afraid you are just incorrect, the law wouldn’t consider it deception because they are legally female." Already someone has been imprisoned for this. It was front page news. | |||
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"First things first. There has been no record of any kind of someone changing their sex, it's impossible. A legal fiction doesn't magically make anyone another sex. In regards to a transwoman having sex with a man (who may(d*unkenly) think he's having sex with a woman) who, then later finds about it, then it isn't consensual. Sex by deception is still against the law. Ah I see, you’re just a transphobe. Not going to waste my time then. But I’m afraid you are just incorrect, the law wouldn’t consider it deception because they are legally female." Lies A defendant can be guilty of deception if they lie about a fact that's important to consent. Non-disclosure A defendant can be guilty of deception if they don't disclose information that's important to consent. Don't you think it's important to disclose this to a potential partner, or do you think what could be a traumatic experience for them, isn't worth bothering about? | |||
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" Already someone has been imprisoned for this. It was front page news." That person wasn’t trans, and deliberately made efforts to conceal they were a woman. | |||
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"I get messages of straight guys but when asked they say women dont like bi guys as it puts them off You would hope people would get over that old stigma" It's nothing to do with stigma, it's to do with personal preference, many people have one or more, maybe you don't but you should respect others rights to theirs. | |||
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" Lies A defendant can be guilty of deception if they lie about a fact that's important to consent. Non-disclosure A defendant can be guilty of deception if they don't disclose information that's important to consent. Don't you think it's important to disclose this to a potential partner, or do you think what could be a traumatic experience for them, isn't worth bothering about? " It’s not lies, the Gender Recognition Act is very clear that someone’s former gender is top secret information which cannot be disclosed except by court order. And there’s many reasons a trans person might not want to disclose, most significantly that outing yourself can be dangerous. | |||
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" It's nothing to do with stigma, it's to do with personal preference, many people have one or more, maybe you don't but you should respect others rights to theirs. " It absolutely is to do with stigma, and there’s no point pretending otherwise. | |||
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" Lies A defendant can be guilty of deception if they lie about a fact that's important to consent. Non-disclosure A defendant can be guilty of deception if they don't disclose information that's important to consent. Don't you think it's important to disclose this to a potential partner, or do you think what could be a traumatic experience for them, isn't worth bothering about? It’s not lies, the Gender Recognition Act is very clear that someone’s former gender is top secret information which cannot be disclosed except by court order. And there’s many reasons a trans person might not want to disclose, most significantly that outing yourself can be dangerous." Yes, it can be dangerous to obtain sex by deception. | |||
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"Hi folk, wee question for you. I'm looking at men's profile which say straight but then it says looking for women & tv's. Surely a straight man would not be looking to have sex with a tv? These profiles should say bicurious? Constructive answers welcomed please. No nastiness." Agree totally. They are kidding themselves. | |||
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" Yes, it can be dangerous to obtain sex by deception." I suppose you blame trans women for being assaulted or murdered by cis men who find out they are trans… 🙄 | |||
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" Yes, it can be dangerous to obtain sex by deception. I suppose you blame trans women for being assaulted or murdered by cis men who find out they are trans… 🙄" If i had been sexually assaulted in such a manner then id probably be quite angry. Im not gonna kill anyone but id be pretty pissed. Murder is indefensible hence the "gay panic" defence isn't allowed in court. | |||
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" It's nothing to do with stigma, it's to do with personal preference, many people have one or more, maybe you don't but you should respect others rights to theirs. It absolutely is to do with stigma, and there’s no point pretending otherwise." How is having prefences stigma ? You're coming across as not respecting people choice to have a type. | |||
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"Hi folk, wee question for you. I'm looking at men's profile which say straight but then it says looking for women & tv's. Surely a straight man would not be looking to have sex with a tv? These profiles should say bicurious? Constructive answers welcomed please. No nastiness." A sexy bum is just so hard to resist  | |||
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"Hi folk, wee question for you. I'm looking at men's profile which say straight but then it says looking for women & tv's. Surely a straight man would not be looking to have sex with a tv? These profiles should say bicurious? Constructive answers welcomed please. No nastiness. A sexy bum is just so hard to resist "Isn’t it just.,. (Her) | |||
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" How is having prefences stigma ? You're coming across as not respecting people choice to have a type." Oh isn’t it funny that people’s “types” so often exclude minority groups… | |||
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" If i had been sexually assaulted in such a manner then id probably be quite angry. Im not gonna kill anyone but id be pretty pissed. Murder is indefensible hence the "gay panic" defence isn't allowed in court." I mean this is the issue, that you believe that being trans is a deception, which it is not. Trans people are who they say they are. | |||
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" It's nothing to do with stigma, it's to do with personal preference, many people have one or more, maybe you don't but you should respect others rights to theirs. It absolutely is to do with stigma, and there’s no point pretending otherwise." Well if you class personal preference as stigma you must be right of course. | |||
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" How is having prefences stigma ? You're coming across as not respecting people choice to have a type. Oh isn’t it funny that people’s “types” so often exclude minority groups…" We'd hardly class bi-guys as a minority on this site. It seems you just enjoy playing the hard done to victim. | |||
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" We'd hardly class bi-guys as a minority on this site. It seems you just enjoy playing the hard done to victim." I’m not a bi guy, but yes LGBTQ+ people are a marginalised minority, and part of the reason only 11% of bisexual men are open about their sexuality is because of bigoted attitudes like yours. But it’s classic gaslighting to accuse someone of “playing the victim” rather than take responsibility for your own discriminatory behaviour. | |||
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" How is having prefences stigma ? You're coming across as not respecting people choice to have a type. Oh isn’t it funny that people’s “types” so often exclude minority groups…" It's also funny that many people can't accept that other individuals don't have to be interested in them. Should I get my knickers in a twist that some people won't meet straight males ? Or should I accept that it's their right and preference and I should get on with my life  | |||
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" How is having prefences stigma ? You're coming across as not respecting people choice to have a type. Oh isn’t it funny that people’s “types” so often exclude minority groups… We'd hardly class bi-guys as a minority on this site. It seems you just enjoy playing the hard done to victim." Well said. It's annoying to be made out to be a bigot just because I don't want to be bummed. | |||
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" Should I get my knickers in a twist that some people won't meet straight males ? Or should I accept that it's their right and preference and I should get on with my life "Except straight people aren’t an oppressed minority… | |||
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" Should I get my knickers in a twist that some people won't meet straight males ? Or should I accept that it's their right and preference and I should get on with my life
Except straight people aren’t an oppressed minority…"What has being a minority got to do with sexual preference? How is my preference not to have sex with other males oppressing minorities? | |||
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" Should I get my knickers in a twist that some people won't meet straight males ? Or should I accept that it's their right and preference and I should get on with my life
Except straight people aren’t an oppressed minority…"How about answering the question instead of trying to deflect ? | |||
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" What has being a minority got to do with sexual preference? How is my preference not to have sex with other males oppressing minorities?" Nobody says you have to have sex with other males… the thread was about straight women who exclude bi men from their pool. Nobody has to have sex with anyone they don’t want to, but sexual “preferences” can still be informed by cultural oppressions. Like someone saying they’re not into black people is sexual racism. | |||
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" We'd hardly class bi-guys as a minority on this site. It seems you just enjoy playing the hard done to victim. I’m not a bi guy, but yes LGBTQ+ people are a marginalised minority, and part of the reason only 11% of bisexual men are open about their sexuality is because of bigoted attitudes like yours. But it’s classic gaslighting to accuse someone of “playing the victim” rather than take responsibility for your own discriminatory behaviour." Still don't understand where you get off on people being bigoted or discriminatory just because their preferences don't match yours. It's called freedom of choice. | |||
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"So I am a bi guy Even when I was curious I had bi on profile so that people knew that if I met a couple and something propped up I’d enjoy it Many people don’t like bi guys or only looking for straight guys Simply I am not for them so I move on No point lieing just to get leg over Be your self and your true self Someone will enjoy you for you " If only there were more like you.That's the exact attitude to have and we and no doubt many others respect you for it. | |||
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"So I am a bi guy Even when I was curious I had bi on profile so that people knew that if I met a couple and something propped up I’d enjoy it Many people don’t like bi guys or only looking for straight guys Simply I am not for them so I move on No point lieing just to get leg over Be your self and your true self Someone will enjoy you for you If only there were more like you.That's the exact attitude to have and we and no doubt many others respect you for it. "Check my profile, One verification was getting asked to a play room in a club but out of respect I missed the signs as playing isn’t my primary goal ( although annoyed as would of loved to get with said couple ) But for me it’s all about the social side and being comfortable with who I am Any extra fun is a bonus | |||
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" What has being a minority got to do with sexual preference? How is my preference not to have sex with other males oppressing minorities? Nobody says you have to have sex with other males… the thread was about straight women who exclude bi men from their pool. Nobody has to have sex with anyone they don’t want to, but sexual “preferences” can still be informed by cultural oppressions. Like someone saying they’re not into black people is sexual racism." I think the thread became about misrepresenting sexuality in the eyes of OP rather than misrepresenting biological sex. | |||
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" Still don't understand where you get off on people being bigoted or discriminatory just because their preferences don't match yours. It's called freedom of choice. "If you had good reasons you wouldn’t need to go down the “freedom of choice” argument. But I suspect you know full well you’re attitudes are about men are based on bigoted stereotypes. | |||
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" If i had been sexually assaulted in such a manner then id probably be quite angry. Im not gonna kill anyone but id be pretty pissed. Murder is indefensible hence the "gay panic" defence isn't allowed in court. I mean this is the issue, that you believe that being trans is a deception, which it is not. Trans people are who they say they are." I didn't say and dont think that. Its when someone is trans and doesnt say so that there is a problem. Legally | |||
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" Never mind philosophy, what about honesty and respect, 2 of the basic things that the swinging lifestyle should be based on. No matter what words you use to try to dress it up dishonesty and deception are exactly that and they are immoral. If a couple don't want to meet with a guy who has sex with other men, in whatever shape or form, then that wish should be respected with no exceptions. Any guy who has sex in any way with other guys should adhere to this request. If they don't that's disrespectful, decietful and dishonest purely and simply. It's the same as selling goods misreprisentation is deciet, on this site your selling yourself to others and it should be done honestly and truthfuly. Surely bi-guys aren't that hard up for sex that they have to decive to get it, unless of course it's the deception that gives them an extra buzz. This comes across as incredibly privileged. Nobody is obliged to disclose their sexual history, sexual orientation or gender identity to anyone, particularly when doing so may put them at risk of discrimination and violence. You simply don’t have a right to that private information. but they do need to disclose it if looking for a bi man and when a man pops up with straight on his profile claiming he is bi then that makes him a liar" Fancying trans people doesnt make you Bisexual. It means someone who looks like the sex you find attractive is attractive. You can like transwomen and be a straight guy | |||
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" I didn't say and dont think that. It’s when someone is trans and doesnt say so that there is a problem. Legally " Nope, you are wrong. The Gender Recognition Act specifically makes someone’s birth sex sensitive information that does not have to be disclosed. | |||
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