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Submissive …… early in the journey
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"As a follow up, it’s interesting as I’ve noticed she’s started replying “YES SIR” to some of the suggestions I’ve send via WhatsApp. That’s absolutely new and entirely linked to recent discussions, she also a little ‘giddy’ and ‘chatty’ when the conversation turns to submission subjects. Can I read anything into the “YES SIR” and/or should I respond differently to her when she utilises that reply?" It depends if she has a desired role. Some like "good girl" or "that please me". Its about providing for them the sounding for their own emotional needs and desires and allowing them to submit, to give willingly all that was once often taken. | |||
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"I'm loving the amount of po faced, finger waggy "advice" on this thread." If you’re perceiving ‘po faced’ it’s because, depending on the activity, this kind of stuff can literally be life or death. | |||
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"I'm loving the amount of po faced, finger waggy "advice" on this thread. If you’re perceiving ‘po faced’ it’s because, depending on the activity, this kind of stuff can literally be life or death. "  | |||
"I'm loving the amount of po faced, finger waggy "advice" on this thread. If you’re perceiving ‘po faced’ it’s because, depending on the activity, this kind of stuff can literally be life or death. " I agree , I would like to add that not only is Trust paramount but Respect is as equally important | |||
"I'm loving the amount of po faced, finger waggy "advice" on this thread. If you’re perceiving ‘po faced’ it’s because, depending on the activity, this kind of stuff can literally be life or death. I agree , I would like to add that not only is Trust paramount but Respect is as equally important " And when you have these two right a D/s relationship is something beautifull | |||
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"I'm loving the amount of po faced, finger waggy "advice" on this thread. If you’re perceiving ‘po faced’ it’s because, depending on the activity, this kind of stuff can literally be life or death. " Lots of things can be LIFE OR DEATH. It's probably time for a serious post about not running whilst holding scissors, making sure your shoelaces are tied - ESPECIALLY whilst on an escalator, and the hazards of eating yellow snow. | |||
"I'm loving the amount of po faced, finger waggy "advice" on this thread. If you’re perceiving ‘po faced’ it’s because, depending on the activity, this kind of stuff can literally be life or death. Lots of things can be LIFE OR DEATH. It's probably time for a serious post about not running whilst holding scissors, making sure your shoelaces are tied - ESPECIALLY whilst on an escalator, and the hazards of eating yellow snow." Unfortunately I can't provide the links but here is an abstract of a study of the criminal cases. I hope this helps understanding why serious kinksters take the matter seriously. In the cases consent to bdsm was used, which largely implies a non ethical D/s relationship. I have changed some of the words which Fab rejects. " Thanks to the case law decision in R v Brown, you should not be able to claim consent to serious injury in the law of England and Wales, but our research on the outcomes in the criminal justice system shows that this existing case law is not up to the task and that statutory provision is now required, as well as wide ranging measures to ensure that the law works in practice, and adequate data be collected to confirm the law is working. 3.1.1.5 This research briefing sets out our data on homicides and non-fatal assaults – the detail of the latter is included here for the first time. In homicides, too often the claim that she consented is successful, with prosecution for manslaughter, a lighter sentence, or in some cases the death initially not treated as a crime at all. 3.1.1.6 Now we have found that the existing case law is referred to rarely in the non-fatal assault cases, and even where consent defence is disallowed by judges, they will give credit in sentencing for “a belief” that the woman consented. Men are not being prosecuted for acts of admitted violence – and even where they are, the man presents a defence that she consented, and often juries do not convict. 3.1.1.7 The violence used in non-fatal assaults includes waterboarding, wounding, electrocution, str####£ation and asph@@xiation, slapping, beating, punching, and kicking, and in one case, a shotgun fired intimately at a woman. 3.1.1.8 Notably the women injured in the cases in our research do not agree that they consented to the violence, where they are able to take part in criminal proceedings. But still the claims they did succeed. 3.1.1.9 The 1993 Brown case law - which concerned gay men in consensual sadomasochism – has long been argued by lawyers and students to be illiberal, outdated, and ripe for reform. And case law decisions since have narrowed the effect of Brown. We can now confirm that the CPS believe that the case law will be overturned and so are not prosecuting violent assaults which could be claimed to be consensual." | |||
"I'm loving the amount of po faced, finger waggy "advice" on this thread. If you’re perceiving ‘po faced’ it’s because, depending on the activity, this kind of stuff can literally be life or death. Lots of things can be LIFE OR DEATH. It's probably time for a serious post about not running whilst holding scissors, making sure your shoelaces are tied - ESPECIALLY whilst on an escalator, and the hazards of eating yellow snow." There are loads of examples of people choking on their own saliva whilst ballgagged, or life changing injuries from poorly positioned rope etc etc. The point is that risks are often not understood or considered. Unlike those in your, forgive me, irrelevant examples. | |||
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" There are loads of examples of people choking on their own saliva whilst ballgagged, or life changing injuries from poorly positioned rope etc etc. The point is that risks are often not understood or considered. Unlike those in your, forgive me, irrelevant examples. " Loads? A 24 year study in Germany from 1993 to 2017 which looked at 16,437 autopsies, found only three deaths due to consensual BDSM activities. There are inherent risks in pretty much anything, but is it really the kink equivalent of Base Jumping? For me, the issue is less about people giving well-meaning advice and more about the tendency for it to be wrapped up in a preachy "listen to your elders" tone. This entire thread is a testament to that. Someone has even gone to the trouble of writing 500 words of case law.  | |||
" There are loads of examples of people choking on their own saliva whilst ballgagged, or life changing injuries from poorly positioned rope etc etc. The point is that risks are often not understood or considered. Unlike those in your, forgive me, irrelevant examples. Loads? A 24 year study in Germany from 1993 to 2017 which looked at 16,437 autopsies, found only three deaths due to consensual BDSM activities. There are inherent risks in pretty much anything, but is it really the kink equivalent of Base Jumping? For me, the issue is less about people giving well-meaning advice and more about the tendency for it to be wrapped up in a preachy "listen to your elders" tone. This entire thread is a testament to that. Someone has even gone to the trouble of writing 500 words of case law. "Er quoting from a study, even I did not count the number of words!😅 | |||
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" Er quoting from a study, even I did not count the number of words!😅" Neither did I. TLDR | |||
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