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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

You don't seem to have much luck with single guys! Your second post in a week.

Perhaps you are right, stick with clubs and couples.

Because they are all perfect aren't they?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward... "

#daeshtag imagine how Isis feel when dating . Goats can't even use a computer

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By *uteguy06Man  over a year ago

Swindon

I'm sorry that you have had this experience so far Miss Angel, but please don't let this idiot put you off all single men we are not all like that!!

There are some decent respectful ones out there like myself I promise you!!

From my point of _iew as a single male it's so annoying when guys act like this as its putting more and more women off from meeting single guys!!!

Any guy who reads this thread and acts the way the guy did as stated by the OP needs to have a look at themselves and realise they are making it harder for themselves and others!!!

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By *heorgasmaddictMan  over a year ago

Liverpool

He sounds like a total dick. Sadly the world is full of dickheads.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward... "

We arnt all bad I promise, just keep your head up and be careful who your sending what.

I never understand why people get so angry at being rejected. We can't be liked by everyone.

You need to look more up north

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

There does seem to be a fair amount of people on this site that are desperate to get a response. We advertise ourselves for sex on here and unfortunately there will always be arseholes sending nasty, rude or abusive messages when they don't get there own way.

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By *oxesMan  over a year ago

Southend, Essex

I have heard something like that before . A freind of mine when she was on here had a man saying unless she met him in Manchester he would let her family know and boyfriend know and he would publish her private pics online.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward... "

Seriously! I never understand guys like this who can't handle rejection and go nuts. Even though, this guy technically wasn't even rejected... Yet lol

And no don't give up on us single guys

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By *oxesMan  over a year ago

Southend, Essex


"There does seem to be a fair amount of people on this site that are desperate to get a response. We advertise ourselves for sex on here and unfortunately there will always be arseholes sending nasty, rude or abusive messages when they don't get there own way.

"

This what someone said on another site about these people.

"No hopers" They would like to meet but have no concept of what swinging is or why people do it.

They think they can get a shag by saying.

"Fancey a shag" or "impregers u y not?" Or "any slut up for good fucking" etc

They are likely to have a blank profile with no photos.

Some may think that the women are desperate, cock hungry, too ugly to get a partner or worse vulnerable.

... real swingers know how wrong this _iew is. Its the 21st century can women not have the freedom to choose who they have sex with and have fun without being lowered and labled as slags furthermore can they not choose what happens to them?

They can be respected no matter what they sexualy enjoy.

Anybody can be a swimger but not everyone can be a success full swinger...

Jedandsara.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"There does seem to be a fair amount of people on this site that are desperate to get a response. We advertise ourselves for sex on here and unfortunately there will always be arseholes sending nasty, rude or abusive messages when they don't get there own way.

This what someone said on another site about these people.

"No hopers" They would like to meet but have no concept of what swinging is or why people do it.

They think they can get a shag by saying.

"Fancey a shag" or "impregers u y not?" Or "any slut up for good fucking" etc

They are likely to have a blank profile with no photos.

Some may think that the women are desperate, cock hungry, too ugly to get a partner or worse vulnerable.

... real swingers know how wrong this _iew is. Its the 21st century can women not have the freedom to choose who they have sex with and have fun without being lowered and labled as slags furthermore can they not choose what happens to them?

They can be respected no matter what they sexualy enjoy.

Anybody can be a swimger but not everyone can be a success full swinger...

Jedandsara.

"

This post is completely spot on!

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By *oxesMan  over a year ago

Southend, Essex


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward...

Seriously! I never understand guys like this who can't handle rejection and go nuts. Even though, this guy technically wasn't even rejected... Yet lol

And no don't give up on us single guys "

One bad Apple ruins the bunch.

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman  over a year ago

kinky land

I like single guys. Only ever had issues with couples, so each to their own. Admitted I don't send pics and am not wank fodder so I don't encounter the same people.

Perhaps a tweak In your selection process

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By *oodmessMan  over a year ago

yumsville

there is the option to remove the pictures you send once _iewed .. this is what I do with private pics. Anything you have online is open for distribution really though I would report him to admin / police if you find yourself on tinyeye

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By *oxesMan  over a year ago

Southend, Essex


"there is the option to remove the pictures you send once _iewed .. this is what I do with private pics. Anything you have online is open for distribution really though I would report him to admin / police if you find yourself on tinyeye"

Agh this feature is only available for silver site supporters.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Dont let a few give us singles guys a bad name i treat every one with respect and im never arsey about getting rejected i actualy appriciate a honest responce just a shame not every one see it that way

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By *imply_SensualMan  over a year ago

warrington


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward... "

A total knob by the sounds of it and for you, at least you found out the kind of guy he is before you took things any further with him. You also have the law on your side when it comes to 'revenge porn' - even if your pics aren't graphic or anything near rude, the new law still protects you. And you have the message where the threat was made.

The guy was probably all mouth and not much else.

I don't get the attitude of some guys on here, seeing it a meat market where they feel they have a sense of entitlement to have fun with any woman they want. Would they act the same in a pub/club if they approached a woman - they are probably too scared to approach women in real life.

Keep your chin up, 'due diligence' is the key to successful meets.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

People can be knobs when they don't get what they want, fuck them.

Report him to the police if he does post anything online.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Once again thanks for all the support guys. This is why I like this site and the forum!

Actually met a guy today from here who I've been talking to for a couple of months and he was a complete gentleman!

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By *rafty98Man  over a year ago

herts

I will never understand people with this sort of attitude and that's men and women alike.

What these people fail to understand or realize is that we all have real lives to be getting on with and this site tends to be a small portion of that real life. If they understood that and maybe lived a little themselves then this site and world would be a better place for sure.

You have done the right thing by reporting and blocking and I'm sorry this has happened but this will make you more cautious in the future and hopefully only improve your experiences from here on in.

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By *ordonBennettMan  over a year ago

dover


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward...

Seriously! I never understand guys like this who can't handle rejection and go nuts. Even though, this guy technically wasn't even rejected... Yet lol

And no don't give up on us single guys

One bad Apple ruins the bunch."

You mean one unkind single guy makes us all bad??

I can't agree with that.

His bad conduct doesn't make me or you bad at all.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

You will alwais find some online weirdo like him even with couples or singles. Plenty of other guys out there.

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By *yronMan  over a year ago

grangemouth


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward...

A total knob by the sounds of it and for you, at least you found out the kind of guy he is before you took things any further with him. You also have the law on your side when it comes to 'revenge porn' - even if your pics aren't graphic or anything near rude, the new law still protects you. And you have the message where the threat was made.

The guy was probably all mouth and not much else.

I don't get the attitude of some guys on here, seeing it a meat market where they feel they have a sense of entitlement to have fun with any woman they want. Would they act the same in a pub/club if they approached a woman - they are probably too scared to approach women in real life.

Keep your chin up, 'due diligence' is the key to successful meets.

"

Sadly, I've seen this attitude on other Swingers and Dogging sites, some guys seem to think that they are (as you rightly say) entitled to have sex and don't get that it's the same as if you approach someone in a pub or club. If someone's rude to me, I send them a message saying it's a shame they're like that and then block them.

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By *ax-BangingMan  over a year ago

town

Bunch of sad c##ts who ruin it for the genuine single males !!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward... "

Don't let a few idiots put you off. I've had equally pushy married men and couples.

Do what's right for you..people hide behind profiles too easily.

It takes time to find the genuine

Good luck

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

OP,Why haven't you posted his user name on this forum.

That will give us all heads up if this twat contacts someone else.

Even if he does change his user name he can be identified from any photos he will use.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"OP,Why haven't you posted his user name on this forum.

That will give us all heads up if this twat contacts someone else.

Even if he does change his user name he can be identified from any photos he will use."

Because if you read the rules you are not allowed to name lol.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Anyone who makes such a threat is an obvious knob, and l am surprised that he and the few other bad experiences are supposed to be representative of the 1000s of single men on this website.

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By *ax-BangingMan  over a year ago

town

once a couple of the single fems from wale's had all theirs posted on a porn site i helped managed to get them removed that was by a sad c##t who couldn't take a knock back.

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By *rafty98Man  over a year ago

herts


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward...

Don't let a few idiots put you off. I've had equally pushy married men and couples.

Do what's right for you..people hide behind profiles too easily.

It takes time to find the genuine

Good luck "

I'm shocked and appalled by the outrageous behavior... Now get back to work

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By *ordonBennettMan  over a year ago

dover


"Bunch of sad c##ts who ruin it for the genuine single males !! "

They don't ruin it for me.

Nobody affects my progress on this site but me.

Blaming others for lack of success is pointless and pathetic.

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By *ax-BangingMan  over a year ago

town


"Bunch of sad c##ts who ruin it for the genuine single males !!

They don't ruin it for me.

Nobody affects my progress on this site but me.

Blaming others for lack of success is pointless and pathetic."

lack of success I've done ok here my friend look at my profile

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By *ordonBennettMan  over a year ago

dover


"Bunch of sad c##ts who ruin it for the genuine single males !!

They don't ruin it for me.

Nobody affects my progress on this site but me.

Blaming others for lack of success is pointless and pathetic.

lack of success I've done ok here my friend look at my profile "

Before we get into a willy-waving contest, I was not referring to you specifically but the use of this tired argument that the action of others is somehow affecting success on the site.

Has it affected yours?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward... "

Sounds horrendous...you poor thing. Block, report and move on is the best approach....you don't deserve him ruining you mood.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'm sorry that you have had this experience so far Miss Angel, but please don't let this idiot put you off all single men we are not all like that!!

There are some decent respectful ones out there like myself I promise you!!

From my point of _iew as a single male it's so annoying when guys act like this as its putting more and more women off from meeting single guys!!!

Any guy who reads this thread and acts the way the guy did as stated by the OP needs to

have a look at themselves and realise they are making it harder for themselves and others!!!"

I agree

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward... "

What a complete idiot. He clearly is very stupid given that he was impatient and down right vile. I hope many bad things happen to him.

You are better off without him near you

Chins up xx

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By *ax-BangingMan  over a year ago

town


"Bunch of sad c##ts who ruin it for the genuine single males !!

They don't ruin it for me.

Nobody affects my progress on this site but me.

Blaming others for lack of success is pointless and pathetic.

lack of success I've done ok here my friend look at my profile

Before we get into a willy-waving contest, I was not referring to you specifically but the use of this tired argument that the action of others is somehow affecting success on the site.

Has it affected yours?"

I'm not waving my willy lol hence my polite come back my friend

The best advice i had when i joined 12 months back was to go to the socials meet people treat everyone with respect make friends and the good times will come i'm no oil painting but i'm very respectful and have had more success than i ever thought i would.

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By *ordonBennettMan  over a year ago

dover


"Bunch of sad c##ts who ruin it for the genuine single males !!

They don't ruin it for me.

Nobody affects my progress on this site but me.

Blaming others for lack of success is pointless and pathetic.

lack of success I've done ok here my friend look at my profile

Before we get into a willy-waving contest, I was not referring to you specifically but the use of this tired argument that the action of others is somehow affecting success on the site.

Has it affected yours?

I'm not waving my willy lol hence my polite come back my friend

The best advice i had when i joined 12 months back was to go to the socials meet people treat everyone with respect make friends and the good times will come i'm no oil painting but i'm very respectful and have had more success than i ever thought i would. "

I've also done far better than I expected to on the site, but my point is that success was a result of my own efforts, and I don't go in for the argument that others affect that in some way, or that the bad guys ruin it for the good guys"

That's all I'm saying.

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By *inky-MinxWoman  over a year ago

Grantham

I think we all get people like that from time to time but they are in the minority and most single guys are great

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By *roggMan  over a year ago

haverfordwest


"I think we all get people like that from time to time but they are in the minority and most single guys are great "
nice to see a post that values single guys on here and has obviously come across some of the good ones on here

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'm not going to justify a rant for a rant or proclaim others ruin the site/scene for me...I happen to do ok, nothing to boast about apart from acting 'normal' before/during/after a meet...

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By *xyzptlk088Man  over a year ago

Galway


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward... "

The thing is a lot of "single guys" are not single guys and are muddying the waters for the rest of the genuine single guys

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By *ordonBennettMan  over a year ago

dover


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward...

The thing is a lot of "single guys" are not single guys and are muddying the waters for the rest of the genuine single guys"

Do you mean they're married not single?

How on earth does their marital status "muddy the waters" for the "genuine" single guys?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I like single guys. Only ever had issues with couples, so each to their own. Admitted I don't send pics and am not wank fodder so I don't encounter the same people.

Perhaps a tweak In your selection process "

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By *inky-MinxWoman  over a year ago

Grantham


"I think we all get people like that from time to time but they are in the minority and most single guys are great nice to see a post that values single guys on here and has obviously come across some of the good ones on here"

Definitely and I've made some amazing friends too.

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By *xyzptlk088Man  over a year ago

Galway


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward...

The thing is a lot of "single guys" are not single guys and are muddying the waters for the rest of the genuine single guys

Do you mean they're married not single?

How on earth does their marital status "muddy the waters" for the "genuine" single guys?"

Do I need to draw you a picture?

married and partnered guys often pose as single on sites piss off the females and couples then said females and couples stay away from the single guys and post threads criticising single guys therefore muddying the waters it really is that simple you know.

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman  over a year ago

kinky land


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward...

The thing is a lot of "single guys" are not single guys and are muddying the waters for the rest of the genuine single guys

Do you mean they're married not single?

How on earth does their marital status "muddy the waters" for the "genuine" single guys?

Do I need to draw you a picture?

married and partnered guys often pose as single on sites piss off the females and couples then said females and couples stay away from the single guys and post threads criticising single guys therefore muddying the waters it really is that simple you know."

I do love a conspiracy

I suspect it's much more about thinking with little head as apposed to an organised attempt to put women off 'single men'

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By *xyzptlk088Man  over a year ago

Galway


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward...

The thing is a lot of "single guys" are not single guys and are muddying the waters for the rest of the genuine single guys

Do you mean they're married not single?

How on earth does their marital status "muddy the waters" for the "genuine" single guys?

Do I need to draw you a picture?

married and partnered guys often pose as single on sites piss off the females and couples then said females and couples stay away from the single guys and post threads criticising single guys therefore muddying the waters it really is that simple you know.

I do love a conspiracy

I suspect it's much more about thinking with little head as apposed to an organised attempt to put women off 'single men' "

I doubt they do it to put people off the single male but that is usually the outcome it's not a CT it's just the way things happen,I am sure there will be many threads posted about such

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By *ordonBennettMan  over a year ago

dover


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward...

The thing is a lot of "single guys" are not single guys and are muddying the waters for the rest of the genuine single guys

Do you mean they're married not single?

How on earth does their marital status "muddy the waters" for the "genuine" single guys?

Do I need to draw you a picture?

married and partnered guys often pose as single on sites piss off the females and couples then said females and couples stay away from the single guys and post threads criticising single guys therefore muddying the waters it really is that simple you know.

I do love a conspiracy

I suspect it's much more about thinking with little head as apposed to an organised attempt to put women off 'single men' "

I quite agree.

As a conspiracy theory it's pretty far fetched.

Thinking with the little head is a far more plausible explanation

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By *xyzptlk088Man  over a year ago

Galway


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward...

The thing is a lot of "single guys" are not single guys and are muddying the waters for the rest of the genuine single guys

Do you mean they're married not single?

How on earth does their marital status "muddy the waters" for the "genuine" single guys?

Do I need to draw you a picture?

married and partnered guys often pose as single on sites piss off the females and couples then said females and couples stay away from the single guys and post threads criticising single guys therefore muddying the waters it really is that simple you know.

I do love a conspiracy

I suspect it's much more about thinking with little head as apposed to an organised attempt to put women off 'single men'

I quite agree.

As a conspiracy theory it's pretty far fetched.

Thinking with the little head is a far more plausible explanation"

you should join the sycophant thread

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By *ordonBennettMan  over a year ago

dover


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward...

The thing is a lot of "single guys" are not single guys and are muddying the waters for the rest of the genuine single guys

Do you mean they're married not single?

How on earth does their marital status "muddy the waters" for the "genuine" single guys?

Do I need to draw you a picture?

married and partnered guys often pose as single on sites piss off the females and couples then said females and couples stay away from the single guys and post threads criticising single guys therefore muddying the waters it really is that simple you know.

I do love a conspiracy

I suspect it's much more about thinking with little head as apposed to an organised attempt to put women off 'single men'

I quite agree.

As a conspiracy theory it's pretty far fetched.

Thinking with the little head is a far more plausible explanation

you should join the sycophant thread "

Sycophant???

How do you come to that bizarre conclusion?

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By *xyzptlk088Man  over a year ago

Galway


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward...

The thing is a lot of "single guys" are not single guys and are muddying the waters for the rest of the genuine single guys

Do you mean they're married not single?

How on earth does their marital status "muddy the waters" for the "genuine" single guys?

Do I need to draw you a picture?

married and partnered guys often pose as single on sites piss off the females and couples then said females and couples stay away from the single guys and post threads criticising single guys therefore muddying the waters it really is that simple you know.

I do love a conspiracy

I suspect it's much more about thinking with little head as apposed to an organised attempt to put women off 'single men'

I quite agree.

As a conspiracy theory it's pretty far fetched.

Thinking with the little head is a far more plausible explanation

you should join the sycophant thread

Sycophant???

How do you come to that bizarre conclusion?"

It's a fun thread I'm trying to pass on some fun and thought you may like some?

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By *ordonBennettMan  over a year ago

dover


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward...

The thing is a lot of "single guys" are not single guys and are muddying the waters for the rest of the genuine single guys

Do you mean they're married not single?

How on earth does their marital status "muddy the waters" for the "genuine" single guys?

Do I need to draw you a picture?

married and partnered guys often pose as single on sites piss off the females and couples then said females and couples stay away from the single guys and post threads criticising single guys therefore muddying the waters it really is that simple you know.

I do love a conspiracy

I suspect it's much more about thinking with little head as apposed to an organised attempt to put women off 'single men'

I quite agree.

As a conspiracy theory it's pretty far fetched.

Thinking with the little head is a far more plausible explanation

you should join the sycophant thread

Sycophant???

How do you come to that bizarre conclusion?

It's a fun thread I'm trying to pass on some fun and thought you may like some?"

So that conspiracy theory was a bit of.....fun?

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By *xyzptlk088Man  over a year ago

Galway


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward...

The thing is a lot of "single guys" are not single guys and are muddying the waters for the rest of the genuine single guys

Do you mean they're married not single?

How on earth does their marital status "muddy the waters" for the "genuine" single guys?

Do I need to draw you a picture?

married and partnered guys often pose as single on sites piss off the females and couples then said females and couples stay away from the single guys and post threads criticising single guys therefore muddying the waters it really is that simple you know.

I do love a conspiracy

I suspect it's much more about thinking with little head as apposed to an organised attempt to put women off 'single men'

I quite agree.

As a conspiracy theory it's pretty far fetched.

Thinking with the little head is a far more plausible explanation

you should join the sycophant thread

Sycophant???

How do you come to that bizarre conclusion?

It's a fun thread I'm trying to pass on some fun and thought you may like some?

So that conspiracy theory was a bit of.....fun?

"

It's no CT many people have commented on it before

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By *ordonBennettMan  over a year ago

dover


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward...

The thing is a lot of "single guys" are not single guys and are muddying the waters for the rest of the genuine single guys

Do you mean they're married not single?

How on earth does their marital status "muddy the waters" for the "genuine" single guys?

Do I need to draw you a picture?

married and partnered guys often pose as single on sites piss off the females and couples then said females and couples stay away from the single guys and post threads criticising single guys therefore muddying the waters it really is that simple you know.

I do love a conspiracy

I suspect it's much more about thinking with little head as apposed to an organised attempt to put women off 'single men'

I quite agree.

As a conspiracy theory it's pretty far fetched.

Thinking with the little head is a far more plausible explanation

you should join the sycophant thread

Sycophant???

How do you come to that bizarre conclusion?

It's a fun thread I'm trying to pass on some fun and thought you may like some?

So that conspiracy theory was a bit of.....fun?

It's no CT many people have commented on it before"

Is that so?

It sounds much more like a cockeyed attempt to explain lack of success on the site.

Why would partnered guys conspire in such a way to discredit single guys?

What good could it possibly do them?

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By *eanontiWoman  over a year ago

Limerick


"There does seem to be a fair amount of people on this site that are desperate to get a response. We advertise ourselves for sex on here and unfortunately there will always be arseholes sending nasty, rude or abusive messages when they don't get there own way.

This what someone said on another site about these people.

"No hopers" They would like to meet but have no concept of what swinging is or why people do it.

They think they can get a shag by saying.

"Fancey a shag" or "impregers u y not?" Or "any slut up for good fucking" etc

They are likely to have a blank profile with no photos.

Some may think that the women are desperate, cock hungry, too ugly to get a partner or worse vulnerable.

... real swingers know how wrong this _iew is. Its the 21st century can women not have the freedom to choose who they have sex with and have fun without being lowered and labled as slags furthermore can they not choose what happens to them?

They can be respected no matter what they sexualy enjoy.

Anybody can be a swimger but not everyone can be a success full swinger...

Jedandsara.

"

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By *xyzptlk088Man  over a year ago

Galway


"

It sounds much more like a cockeyed attempt to explain lack of success on the site.

Why would partnered guys conspire in such a way to discredit single guys?

What good could it possibly do them?"

Oh dear I do actually have to draw a diagram,a lot of women will not go for attached men ok you still with me so far.A lot of guys are on these sites without their partners knowledge still there? a lot of guys have single male profiles although they are not still hanging in there?these guys go on sites as single men piss people off and boom it is the single males fault.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

White knights.......

The force is strong in this thread

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'm sorry that you have had this experience so far Miss Angel, but please don't let this idiot put you off all single men we are not all like that!!

There are some decent respectful ones out there like myself I promise you!!

From my point of _iew as a single male it's so annoying when guys act like this as its putting more and more women off from meeting single guys!!!

Any guy who reads this thread and acts the way the guy did as stated by the OP needs to have a look at themselves and realise they are making it harder for themselves and others!!!"

I wholeheartedly second what you wrote and I also am very sorry that this has happened to you Miss Angel. Neneh Cherry was spot on "manchild" but there are single guys on here that are very respectful and honest human beings. Don't let this moron taint your _iew.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward... "

look my answer to this the guy has reacted very negatively to a common problem on here ,you've got friendly with this guy that's obvious from what you've said and you've been chatting regularly with him but you've probably chatting to a few others with more and more coming at you everyday ,its difficult because lots of appealing situations arriving all the time but its like being a kid in a candy shop so much choice you don't know what to have instead of concentrating on the good guys you have and giving them more of your time you give them less,I've had situations where people I've been chatting to even met only answer one in ten messages and its very frustrating his reaction wasn't good ,I would just have said this isn't working and moved on if someone doesn't think about me occasionally I will eventually tire of them ,clubs are great if you want absolutely no interaction with a person just the physical act

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By *ordonBennettMan  over a year ago

dover


"

It sounds much more like a cockeyed attempt to explain lack of success on the site.

Why would partnered guys conspire in such a way to discredit single guys?

What good could it possibly do them?

Oh dear I do actually have to draw a diagram,a lot of women will not go for attached men ok you still with me so far.A lot of guys are on these sites without their partners knowledge still there? a lot of guys have single male profiles although they are not still hanging in there?these guys go on sites as single men piss people off and boom it is the single males fault."

You can be as patronising as you like, it's still a barmy crackpot conspiracy theory based on no evidence whatsoever, designed in your own head as some kind of explanation as to why you don't get anywhere on the site.

Drawing diagrams doesn't make it any more plausible.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward... "

You're not sending pics with your face on are you?

I exchange a lot of pics with potential meets but never of my face and nakedness at the same time. There's not much they can blackmail me with based on that!

Sorry to hear you're coming across the dickheads on here x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I also don't show anyone my friends pics unless I've met them, but none have my face and rude bits in the same shot, or you do get this happening a lot, I hear.

The Internet is a breeding ground for all sorts of crazies. Be careful with what you share with total strangers.

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By *MaleMan  over a year ago


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward... "

Just make your mind up about 'individuals' and enjoy them if worthy, leave them standing if they aint.

I've experienced some s#yt/questionable females and couples. However categorising them as all the same and writing all off for meeting would be a little silly

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By *awandOrderCouple  over a year ago

SW London


"

It sounds much more like a cockeyed attempt to explain lack of success on the site.

Why would partnered guys conspire in such a way to discredit single guys?

What good could it possibly do them?

Oh dear I do actually have to draw a diagram,a lot of women will not go for attached men ok you still with me so far.A lot of guys are on these sites without their partners knowledge still there? a lot of guys have single male profiles although they are not still hanging in there?these guys go on sites as single men piss people off and boom it is the single males fault.

You can be as patronising as you like, it's still a barmy crackpot conspiracy theory based on no evidence whatsoever, designed in your own head as some kind of explanation as to why you don't get anywhere on the site.

Drawing diagrams doesn't make it any more plausible.

"

I agree. I can't see how attached men are spoiling it for single men. Indeed as a couple or a single fem (I was one once) it shouldn't matter if the male you meet is attached or not, as far as the meet is concerned, as its no string sex. If you are looking for a single male for something else, ie to pursue a relationship, then its something different. This is a little off topic, OP, and not related entirely to your original post, but to the conspiracy theory debate.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I hear that girlfriend, go for the bad guys then? How you doing?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

There are some absolute tools on here and they wonder why women or cola don't ant to meet them!?

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By *awandOrderCouple  over a year ago

SW London


"I hear that girlfriend, go for the bad guys then? How you doing? "

If that is me you are referring to, I only meet men as part of a couple now. Many bad boys are too scared of my partner to meet me, even though he is a mellow soul. We frequent Croydon regularly ....

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By *ordonBennettMan  over a year ago

dover


"

It sounds much more like a cockeyed attempt to explain lack of success on the site.

Why would partnered guys conspire in such a way to discredit single guys?

What good could it possibly do them?

Oh dear I do actually have to draw a diagram,a lot of women will not go for attached men ok you still with me so far.A lot of guys are on these sites without their partners knowledge still there? a lot of guys have single male profiles although they are not still hanging in there?these guys go on sites as single men piss people off and boom it is the single males fault.

You can be as patronising as you like, it's still a barmy crackpot conspiracy theory based on no evidence whatsoever, designed in your own head as some kind of explanation as to why you don't get anywhere on the site.

Drawing diagrams doesn't make it any more plausible.

I agree. I can't see how attached men are spoiling it for single men. Indeed as a couple or a single fem (I was one once) it shouldn't matter if the male you meet is attached or not, as far as the meet is concerned, as its no string sex. If you are looking for a single male for something else, ie to pursue a relationship, then its something different. This is a little off topic, OP, and not related entirely to your original post, but to the conspiracy theory debate."

Apologies for the diversion from the main theme of the thread, but I felt obliged to deal with the looney-tunes conspiracy theory.

Well it wasn't even a theory really, just a sad stab at explaining why he'd not been doing well on here and blaming other single guys for that.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The guy is probably just a troll, who likes wasting people's time.

Even you have entertained the conversation he (she?) might not have agree to meet.

Don't worry too much about incidents like these, but you have done the right thing - report him to admin.

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By *awandOrderCouple  over a year ago

SW London

I think its a good thing to call someone on their opinion like you did, GB, as it helps people see and think things through ... as for certain posts being a waste of time, to a certain extent they all are ... but the time is our own to be wasted and we choose to do with our own time what we do

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I honestly think yes it is unlucky that it's a single guy but I have experienced couples do the same I know there is some absolute twats on here excuse me French but we are not all like that I honestly like to message females as friends and see where it leads I have found that the best approach

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By *xyzptlk088Man  over a year ago

Galway


"

It sounds much more like a cockeyed attempt to explain lack of success on the site.

Why would partnered guys conspire in such a way to discredit single guys?

What good could it possibly do them?

Oh dear I do actually have to draw a diagram,a lot of women will not go for attached men ok you still with me so far.A lot of guys are on these sites without their partners knowledge still there? a lot of guys have single male profiles although they are not still hanging in there?these guys go on sites as single men piss people off and boom it is the single males fault.

You can be as patronising as you like, it's still a barmy crackpot conspiracy theory based on no evidence whatsoever, designed in your own head as some kind of explanation as to why you don't get anywhere on the site.

Drawing diagrams doesn't make it any more plausible.

I agree. I can't see how attached men are spoiling it for single men. Indeed as a couple or a single fem (I was one once) it shouldn't matter if the male you meet is attached or not, as far as the meet is concerned, as its no string sex. If you are looking for a single male for something else, ie to pursue a relationship, then its something different. This is a little off topic, OP, and not related entirely to your original post, but to the conspiracy theory debate.

Apologies for the diversion from the main theme of the thread, but I felt obliged to deal with the looney-tunes conspiracy theory.

Well it wasn't even a theory really, just a sad stab at explaining why he'd not been doing well on here and blaming other single guys for that."

I am going to assume you mean that it is me having no luck? as it happens I have plenty of luck I have no worries with meets etc,yes I find it harder as a single male but nowhere in my posts did i insinuate I myself was having no luck.I merely pointed out that not all single males on here are actually single but when they cock up the single male as a whole get tarred with their brush.

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By *xyzptlk088Man  over a year ago

Galway

Also I was not the one who brought the term conspiracy theory to this that was yourself I insisted it is not a conspiracy theory and nowhere did I say that partnered guys are conspiring to besmirch the genuine single guy but if they do fuck up when posing as single who gets the flak?

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By *ordonBennettMan  over a year ago

dover


"Also I was not the one who brought the term conspiracy theory to this that was yourself I insisted it is not a conspiracy theory and nowhere did I say that partnered guys are conspiring to besmirch the genuine single guy but if they do fuck up when posing as single who gets the flak?"

Well of course you wouldn't call it a conspiracy theory yourself (duh!).

How on earth do individual single guys "get the flak?" If others "fuck up"?

This is the tired old argument so often espoused on here by those who blame anything and everything else but themselves .

I alone am responsible for how I get on here.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Maybe a message back stating that Blackmale and revenge porn is a serious offence and that everyone is traceable on this site might have been a come back.

And if you feel strongly enough report it to the police.

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By *urvymamaWoman  over a year ago

Doncaster


"Maybe a message back stating that Blackmale and revenge porn is a serious offence and that everyone is traceable on this site might have been a come back.

And if you feel strongly enough report it to the police."

One the one occasion I had this happened This was my response back to the guy. I also politely informed him I'd taken screen shots of the message where he attempted to blackmail and threaten me me also took a screen shot the message with his face photo, so I had sufficient evidence to collaborate my story - his account was deleted within second of him reading that message and I received no repercussions

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Dont tar all singles with the same brush but on behalf of the genuine good ones i would just like to say we have the same trouble with some couples on here not all may i add before i get flooded with fuck off messages but it is a thing thats becoming more frequent on here xxx

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I have often wondered why Old age pensioners (some widowers) are classed as single ales, Technically they may be but it gives a false message. Most of us oldies are decent reasonable people. but are classed the same as the younger generation.One Club charges single males £70 for entry that is probably all odf the free money for a month for a pensioner so he resigns and the club lose good members.

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By *urvymamaWoman  over a year ago

Doncaster


"Dont tar all singles with the same brush but on behalf of the genuine good ones i would just like to say we have the same trouble with some couples on here not all may i add before i get flooded with fuck off messages but it is a thing thats becoming more frequent on here xxx"

This does make me chuckle. You do realise all the bad ones all say they are the "genuine good guys", it's why most people don't take the word genuine to mean much, it's merely a case of you're genuine until proven otherwise (of course this goes for women, couples and TVs/Ts

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Shame op not all us single guys are like that x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I was chatting to this 'nice' guy, I couldn't reply to his last few messages because I've been busy (not that I need to justify it) and he's just sent me a message saying I'm a silly little girl and he's going to post my photos online

Safe to say I've blocked him and reported to admin.

This is not my first experience of single guys being like that on here.

You exchange one or two messages with them and they expect you to reply straight away or meet them straight away, then they start getting nasty...

Seriously thinking couples & clubs may be the way forward... "

That's happened to me and he wasn't even single. There are idiots on here just as many as you'd meet on a night out probably but there are also plenty of nice, respectable guys too. Xx

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By *odareyouMan  over a year ago

not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds)


"Dont tar all singles with the same brush but on behalf of the genuine good ones i would just like to say we have the same trouble with some couples on here not all may i add before i get flooded with fuck off messages but it is a thing thats becoming more frequent on here xxx

This does make me chuckle. You do realise all the bad ones all say they are the "genuine good guys", it's why most people don't take the word genuine to mean much, it's merely a case of you're genuine until proven otherwise (of course this goes for women, couples and TVs/Ts "

Johnsoda0204 second law of fab...

The more genuines used is inversely proportional to the amount of genuineness..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It takes one twat to spoil it for the rest.

We've had two friends on here that have turned out complete pricks, no more single guy's friends that's for sure.

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By *ordonBennettMan  over a year ago

dover


"It takes one twat to spoil it for the rest.

We've had two friends on here that have turned out complete pricks, no more single guy's friends that's for sure."

I'm really sorry to hear of your bad experience but let me put your mind at rest.

Your avoidance of single guys henceforth has not spoiled anything for me.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

weve just had a bad one too this Friday,

been chatting to a guy for a week about a meet, he was very keen wanted to meet imediately ,he asked several times and said he was available anytime eves and wkends, we sent him a message saying yes we can meet you on sunday cumming, we got no reply on Saturday, got a message this morn saying he is working and cant make it,

we went to message him asking when he would be able to meet but couldnt as he has blocked us ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

We have had some appalling luck on here with single guys. We had some disasterous social meets that have for the most part put us out of the scene altogether. Lucky the upset happened at the social stage for us an's not in the bedroom!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'm sorry that you have had this experience so far Miss Angel, but please don't let this idiot put you off all single men we are not all like that!!

There are some decent respectful ones out there like myself I promise you!!

From my point of _iew as a single male it's so annoying when guys act like this as its putting more and more women off from meeting single guys!!!

Any guy who reads this thread and acts the way the guy did as stated by the OP needs to have a look at themselves and realise they are making it harder for themselves and others!!!"

Amen to that!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Also I was not the one who brought the term conspiracy theory to this that was yourself I insisted it is not a conspiracy theory and nowhere did I say that partnered guys are conspiring to besmirch the genuine single guy but if they do fuck up when posing as single who gets the flak?

Well of course you wouldn't call it a conspiracy theory yourself (duh!).

How on earth do individual single guys "get the flak?" If others "fuck up"?

This is the tired old argument so often espoused on here by those who blame anything and everything else but themselves .

I alone am responsible for how I get on here.

"

Couldn't agree more.

It's down to the individual...what the hell influence over my path do others have?

None.

Folk just like a cry and to declare how genuine they are (as oopposed to the rest of their horrible horrible mean peers) and quite like an easy excuse as to why they're not having any luck . Because other men have soiled it and nobody wants to meet them.

Absolute waffle, because their are guys on here with veri's into the hundreds...how?

Because they know how to behave.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Excuse my spelling

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By *ordonBennettMan  over a year ago

dover


"Excuse my spelling "

Your spelling and sentiment are fine.

Thanks for supporting what I and many others regard as common sense.

Nobody has ever managed to explain, with or without diagrams, how the actions of other guys affect my or your performance on this site.

Yes, I understand that some couples and ladies may be repelled by the conduct of a few idiots, and decide, in extreme cases, not to meet any more single guys as a result.

I get that.

But I wasn't going to meet those couples or ladies in any case, and there are still plenty left on the site who will react positively and answer my carefully-crafted messages, which are supported by a halfway decent profile, and a fair sprinkling, though only a small fraction of my thirty-five verifications.

I hope the "bad guys ruin it for the genuine guys" brigade finally see the common sense in that argument....

....but I strongly suspect they'll continue to use that mantra as a reason they're not getting the meets they want...

After all there can't possibly be any other reason...

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By *oxesMan  over a year ago

Southend, Essex


"Excuse my spelling

Your spelling and sentiment are fine.

Thanks for supporting what I and many others regard as common sense.

Nobody has ever managed to explain, with or without diagrams, how the actions of other guys affect my or your performance on this site.

Yes, I understand that some couples and ladies may be repelled by the conduct of a few idiots, and decide, in extreme cases, not to meet any more single guys as a result.

I get that.

But I wasn't going to meet those couples or ladies in any case, and there are still plenty left on the site who will react positively and answer my carefully-crafted messages, which are supported by a halfway decent profile, and a fair sprinkling, though only a small fraction of my thirty-five verifications.

I hope the "bad guys ruin it for the genuine guys" brigade finally see the common sense in that argument....

....but I strongly suspect they'll continue to use that mantra as a reason they're not getting the meets they want...

After all there can't possibly be any other reason..."

Nice sum up there:

For me you can only realy focus on your own performance which is probably not the beat term to use. But you can't focus on what other would do. If your not the ladies or couples cup of tea then fair enough.

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By *iewMan  over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

oh well, with counselling I am sure I will get over it.......

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