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By *aul349 OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle area |
I travel regularly with work and clock up 2k+ miles most weeks which leaves me free to visit local dogging sites throughout the UK.
I was at a well-known site not far from large town in the Midlands a few weeks ago when the whole event was thrown into chaos and almost violence by the arrival of 2 guys with camcorders.
These guys kept approaching cars/groups and would begin filming straight away and attempted to continue filming even after they had been told to stop and leave.
These 2 were of the opinion that they could film if they liked as it was a public place and didn't require consent as the films were not for commercial gain.
Just wondering what the fabfamily's take on these guys manners is and the general question of filming dogging. |
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Bad manners. Very bad manners.
I wouldn't expect anyone to take photos or film at a dogging area without express permission.
I'd have left and I'm pretty sure everyone would quite rightly be pissed off. |
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over a year ago
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On our profile we have a pic with Sabrina standing next to a police car . She asked him if it was ok to do the pic . He said he couldn't stop us as it was a public place . And yes it was a dogging spot . So legally they may well be right .
But if anyone turned up with a camcorder or camera when we are dogging we wouldn't be happy .
We so this for fun , and it's our secret so to see our antics on a porn site wouldn't be ideal .
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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago
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"I travel regularly with work and clock up 2k+ miles most weeks which leaves me free to visit local dogging sites throughout the UK.
I was at a well-known site not far from large town in the Midlands a few weeks ago when the whole event was thrown into chaos and almost violence by the arrival of 2 guys with camcorders.
These guys kept approaching cars/groups and would begin filming straight away and attempted to continue filming even after they had been told to stop and leave.
These 2 were of the opinion that they could film if they liked as it was a public place and didn't require consent as the films were not for commercial gain.
Just wondering what the fabfamily's take on these guys manners is and the general question of filming dogging. "
Those guys would make pretty crap ornithologists!
I'd love to hear their "chatting up" techniques...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There's nothing illegal about what they were doing. On the other hand, dogging participants are almost certainly breaking the law in some way.
IMO, if you're not prepared to be caught on film and put all over the internet having sex, then don't have sex in public places. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's nothing illegal about what they were doing. On the other hand, dogging participants are almost certainly breaking the law in some way.
IMO, if you're not prepared to be caught on film and put all over the internet having sex, then don't have sex in public places."
Totally agree |
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"There's nothing illegal about what they were doing. On the other hand, dogging participants are almost certainly breaking the law in some way.
IMO, if you're not prepared to be caught on film and put all over the internet having sex, then don't have sex in public places."
Whilst that's absolutely the case... the question was about dogging etiquette rather than what's legal.
I don't think it's acceptable to film someone without permission. It might not be illegal but it is poor form in terms of manners at a dogging site.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I travel regularly with work and clock up 2k+ miles most weeks which leaves me free to visit local dogging sites throughout the UK.
I was at a well-known site not far from large town in the Midlands a few weeks ago when the whole event was thrown into chaos and almost violence by the arrival of 2 guys with camcorders.
These guys kept approaching cars/groups and would begin filming straight away and attempted to continue filming even after they had been told to stop and leave.
These 2 were of the opinion that they could film if they liked as it was a public place and didn't require consent as the films were not for commercial gain.
Just wondering what the fabfamily's take on these guys manners is and the general question of filming dogging. "
Sounds like they were not dogging so why should they have any sort of dogging etiquette |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes. Dogging. No one can stop sum one taking photos. That's why it's called dogging in public. If people don't want photos or video them well. Don't do it. Sounds harsh. But. That's life |
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I think that if this would happen in most dogging sites the guy or guys holding the camera would have been hounded out..
Most people realise that its real dumb dwarf stuff (not big and not clever)
Dogging should be fun? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's nothing illegal about what they were doing. On the other hand, dogging participants are almost certainly breaking the law in some way.
IMO, if you're not prepared to be caught on film and put all over the internet having sex, then don't have sex in public places.
Whilst that's absolutely the case... the question was about dogging etiquette rather than what's legal.
I don't think it's acceptable to film someone without permission. It might not be illegal but it is poor form in terms of manners at a dogging site.
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Maybe they were not 'doggers', just a couple of guys who thought they would score themselves some freebie homemade porn?
If you're not a 'dogger', why would you abide by any etiquette? |
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I don't care if it's dogging or anything else sexual filming someone without permission is just bad manners.
Ok they might have the legal right but I'm supprised they didn't get punched off someone.
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"There's nothing illegal about what they were doing.
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Yes there is, filming a sexual act for the purposes of sexual gratification, or to enable someone else to watch it for the purpose of sexual gratification, without the permission of the participants, is an offence under the Sexual Offences Act.
The problem OP, is who is going to report them? (Which is what they rely on)
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"There's nothing illegal about what they were doing. On the other hand, dogging participants are almost certainly breaking the law in some way.
IMO, if you're not prepared to be caught on film and put all over the internet having sex, then don't have sex in public places."
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"There's nothing illegal about what they were doing. On the other hand, dogging participants are almost certainly breaking the law in some way.
IMO, if you're not prepared to be caught on film and put all over the internet having sex, then don't have sex in public places.
Whilst that's absolutely the case... the question was about dogging etiquette rather than what's legal.
I don't think it's acceptable to film someone without permission. It might not be illegal but it is poor form in terms of manners at a dogging site.
Maybe they were not 'doggers', just a couple of guys who thought they would score themselves some freebie homemade porn?
If you're not a 'dogger', why would you abide by any etiquette?"
That's also possible... I guess I just believe in good manners all round really and dogger or not, it's pretty poor form to film anyone without their consent. |
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over a year ago
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"There's nothing illegal about what they were doing. On the other hand, dogging participants are almost certainly breaking the law in some way.
IMO, if you're not prepared to be caught on film and put all over the internet having sex, then don't have sex in public places."
I agree. |
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By *aul349 OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle area |
"I don't care if it's dogging or anything else sexual filming someone without permission is just bad manners.
Ok they might have the legal right but I'm supprised they didn't get punched off someone.
Xxxx"
And that is more or less what happened.
Was interested in the opinions of group before I posted the outcome.
After approaching the 3rd or 4th group and getting their marching orders they got approached by a group of about 8 guys who took their cameras and removed the data cards and snapped them. They were escorted back to their car and told unless they wanted broken legs to leave and never come back.
The dogging etiquette in that group was no cameras, no videos and no touching without an actual invite.
I personally agree with them.
You and your partner/wife/husband /FB might enjoy this side of the lifestyle but getting a video of what you got up to last Saturday night stuck up on the Internet for anyone to see is not the same as having a few guys looking through the windows otherwise you might as well have a sex party in your back garden. Personally, the sneaky around in the outdoors is half the fun. You shouldn't have to worry about some guy getting paid for what you get up to.
As far as I'm concerned, those guys with the camcorders were no better than the picture collecters who steal your photos without asking and before you know what's happening you find your wife's photos are advertising some Russian porn site.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't care if it's dogging or anything else sexual filming someone without permission is just bad manners.
Ok they might have the legal right but I'm supprised they didn't get punched off someone.
Xxxx
And that is more or less what happened.
Was interested in the opinions of group before I posted the outcome.
After approaching the 3rd or 4th group and getting their marching orders they got approached by a group of about 8 guys who took their cameras and removed the data cards and snapped them. They were escorted back to their car and told unless they wanted broken legs to leave and never come back.
The dogging etiquette in that group was no cameras, no videos and no touching without an actual invite.
I personally agree with them.
You and your partner/wife/husband /FB might enjoy this side of the lifestyle but getting a video of what you got up to last Saturday night stuck up on the Internet for anyone to see is not the same as having a few guys looking through the windows otherwise you might as well have a sex party in your back garden. Personally, the sneaky around in the outdoors is half the fun. You shouldn't have to worry about some guy getting paid for what you get up to.
As far as I'm concerned, those guys with the camcorders were no better than the picture collecters who steal your photos without asking and before you know what's happening you find your wife's photos are advertising some Russian porn site.
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Perhaps people shouldn't have sex in public, threaten others with violence, or send their wives pictures to other men?
However you frame it, you were will in the wrong here. |
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Wasp hunter, you seem to be missing an obvious point.
Sex in a public space is not illegal. It is the act of outraging public decency that is and for this to apply it has to be reasonable to assume that somone would be shocked, offended or outraged by seeing you.
So although it might not be to your taste, live and live a little!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't care if it's dogging or anything else sexual filming someone without permission is just bad manners.
Ok they might have the legal right but I'm supprised they didn't get punched off someone.
Xxxx
And that is more or less what happened.
Was interested in the opinions of group before I posted the outcome.
After approaching the 3rd or 4th group and getting their marching orders they got approached by a group of about 8 guys who took their cameras and removed the data cards and snapped them. They were escorted back to their car and told unless they wanted broken legs to leave and never come back.
The dogging etiquette in that group was no cameras, no videos and no touching without an actual invite.
I personally agree with them.
You and your partner/wife/husband /FB might enjoy this side of the lifestyle but getting a video of what you got up to last Saturday night stuck up on the Internet for anyone to see is not the same as having a few guys looking through the windows otherwise you might as well have a sex party in your back garden. Personally, the sneaky around in the outdoors is half the fun. You shouldn't have to worry about some guy getting paid for what you get up to.
As far as I'm concerned, those guys with the camcorders were no better than the picture collecters who steal your photos without asking and before you know what's happening you find your wife's photos are advertising some Russian porn site.
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Filming without consent is pretty bad manners, but violence, destroying their property and threatening to break there legs?? Far worse in my opinion |
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"Anyone can film or take pics in public nothing you can legally do about it. Though it's pretty poor behaviour."
You can call the Police and have the person removed, and have the film confisticated, if, as a result of having their pics taken, people feel "alarm or distress". This includes being filmed or having your pics taken in "public places".
There is also the "Reasonable expectation of privacy" argument that helps define what is considered "public" and what isn't, but I doubt that applies to dogging.
The whole situation depends on the individual Police Officers interpretation too, so all in all its a bit of a grey area. |
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It does sound like it got a bit out of hand..
Cops maybe, but aren't there rules to how they can collect evidence.
Locals trying to get rid of it.. maybe, but surely this would have happened before and people would be aware of a local vigilante group.
Dogging in my opinion should be fun. Performing a lewd act in a public place is a criminal act for sure, but if you are under cover of darkness and everyone is a consenting adult, then quite often a blind eye is turned.
Several times I have been in secluded car parks late at night and a police car has pulled in, one of the coppers normally coming over to see if I'm ok, to warn me that this is a dogging car park and to be aware of local youths who have been known to be loud/dangerous in the area.
I have known of people who have had bricks thrown through their back windows for being doggers..
Thankfully not me I may add. |
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By *aul349 OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle area |
We have a broad range of interests within the subject of this forum and website but there is a noticeable minority who like to "look down on" dogging like it's the grotty end of the market. It's the same on most of the other sites too. For people with very liberal views on some things some of us still have quite a few hangups.
I would like people to live and let live but also respect others right or need to privacy. |
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"We have a broad range of interests within the subject of this forum and website but there is a noticeable minority who like to "look down on" dogging like it's the grotty end of the market. It's the same on most of the other sites too. For people with very liberal views on some things some of us still have quite a few hangups.
I would like people to live and let live but also respect others right or need to privacy. "
Some people need a hierarchy so that they have someone to feel superior to.
If you think they look down on doggers, you should see what they say when the car is moving. It's getting to the point when it's almost impossible to have a wank, while watching porn on my mobile, while Mrs ddc flashes at tanker drivers, nuns and little children, all at 110mph through the centre of town...
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"well this seems to have killed the thread.. lol "
Yeah, I often have that effect
I'm on a mission to validate the rumour that if you succeed in being the last poster on all the threads on your green arrow, it unlocks the site's other secret features...
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"There's nothing illegal about what they were doing. On the other hand, dogging participants are almost certainly breaking the law in some way.
IMO, if you're not prepared to be caught on film and put all over the internet having sex, then don't have sex in public places.
Totally agree"
I hope you had permission to use that profile name. Its copyrighted you know.  |
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"Surely dogging is ruleless , ...... someone else won't play by the non existent rules ......"
The "rules" of social sex seemed to be very clear and hard-wired into humans. These are manifest in dogging, swinging, etc. Few would agree with your premise??? And these exceptions would stand out as not being company one would choose to keep???
The general rules of human interaction form the core of the-law-of-the-land.
However; driven by its "technicians" with ignorances or agendas (eg. trying to further the "deviated" aims of highly political formal patriarchal religion (Christianity, Judaism, Islam in the main)), the law-of-the-land can end up out-of-step with inherent human social rules.
* The "law" defines "offences" which are clearly acceptable human interaction
* the "law" defines no "offence" is committed when that act is wrong by the inherent rules of human interaction
Some of the largest "News headlines" are when one of these "mismatches" occurs.
There should be a law of "reasonable privacy" which enforces that different aspects of life should be kept separate. Whose main point is that what is known in one social domain cannot be transferred into another domain unconditionally. That the person doing the transfer eg. from a dating site into a school governors' committee, has probably committed the crime.
This law doesn't exist at the moment.
But for sure, turning up with cameras at a dogging site and filming without permission is against all inherent rules of human social interaction.
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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago
Wisbech and A47 corridor |
"There's nothing illegal about what they were doing. On the other hand, dogging participants are almost certainly breaking the law in some way.
IMO, if you're not prepared to be caught on film and put all over the internet having sex, then don't have sex in public places."
. That is what I thought . I would prefer not to get a conviction for public indecency |
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"Surely dogging is ruleless , ...... someone else won't play by the non existent rules ......
The "rules" of social sex seemed to be very clear and hard-wired into humans. These are manifest in dogging, swinging, etc. Few would agree with your premise??? And these exceptions would stand out as not being company one would choose to keep???
The general rules of human interaction form the core of the-law-of-the-land.
However; driven by its "technicians" with ignorances or agendas (eg. trying to further the "deviated" aims of highly political formal patriarchal religion (Christianity, Judaism, Islam in the main)), the law-of-the-land can end up out-of-step with inherent human social rules.
* The "law" defines "offences" which are clearly acceptable human interaction
* the "law" defines no "offence" is committed when that act is wrong by the inherent rules of human interaction
Some of the largest "News headlines" are when one of these "mismatches" occurs.
There should be a law of "reasonable privacy" which enforces that different aspects of life should be kept separate. Whose main point is that what is known in one social domain cannot be transferred into another domain unconditionally. That the person doing the transfer eg. from a dating site into a school governors' committee, has probably committed the crime.
This law doesn't exist at the moment.
But for sure, turning up with cameras at a dogging site and filming without permission is against all inherent rules of human social interaction.
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I would be annoyed being filmed doing anything without my permission, even if I was doing something totally innocent.
Dogging is really not for me but we do like a little bit of outdoor fun just the two of us. I would be horrified if someone tried to film it.
What makes someone feel like it is acceptable to try and film anyone? |
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"Sex in the woods behind a deserted car park when it is dark; does that fall under public indecency?"
public indecency is any act which may cause offence! therefore if the investigating officer feels it could cause offence then its indecent! lol  |
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I agree with Vanilla, what makes anyone think its right to turn up at a dogging location to film without asking.
I have seen people filming, but in fairness they have asked everyone involved and made it clear that it was for their own personal consumption, camera also being kept low to avoid face shots etc. |
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"Sex in the woods behind a deserted car park when it is dark; does that fall under public indecency?
public indecency is any act which may cause offence! therefore if the investigating officer feels it could cause offence then its indecent! lol "
Fuck me! All those years I was at it in Harrogate!! |
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Maybe it was their way of preventing doggers from using the area.
Not everyone thinks it's harmless fun.
I get why the doggers did not like it. But there are plenty of people who don't like doggers, hell there are plenty of people who don't like swingers or and sexual deviance. |
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"Maybe it was their way of preventing doggers from using the area.
Not everyone thinks it's harmless fun.
I get why the doggers did not like it. But there are plenty of people who don't like doggers, hell there are plenty of people who don't like swingers or and sexual deviance. "
Apparently some are left in a total state with used condoms, lube containers etc just left everywhere. Not good for the vanilla visitors during the day who are out for a walk with their kids. It would piss me off too.  |
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"Maybe it was their way of preventing doggers from using the area.
Not everyone thinks it's harmless fun.
I get why the doggers did not like it. But there are plenty of people who don't like doggers, hell there are plenty of people who don't like swingers or and sexual deviance.
Apparently some are left in a total state with used condoms, lube containers etc just left everywhere. Not good for the vanilla visitors during the day who are out for a walk with their kids. It would piss me off too. "
That's; assuming you were vanilla, of course.  |
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Again I agree with vanilla, some "beauty spots" are left ruined with debris and not just of the sexual variety. That said most doggers I know are normally tidy taking their used "whatevers" with them.
More than can be said for some with cans and food wrappers etc.. |
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"Again I agree with vanilla, some "beauty spots" are left ruined with debris and not just of the sexual variety. That said most doggers I know are normally tidy taking their used "whatevers" with them.
More than can be said for some with cans and food wrappers etc.. "
not just a dogging issue but it would flag up what the area is used for. I would rather a toddler picked up an old crisp packet than presenting me with an unusual soggy balloon! |
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You should see some of the beaches here in france. you go behind them into some of the dune areas and theres sometimes hundreds of used balloons from all the gay activity.. Its obviously gay as when the main tourists have gone from the beach after about 6 or 7 in the evening it can be quite a dodgy area to be, with hundreds of males at a time patrolling the dunes you definitely know what is going on.. |
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