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"Well I’m you’re mind you are straight as you feel you are shagging a women, in reality you are not, you’re shagging a man unless they’ve transitioned and had the op etc. So OP do you class a hairy ass panty wearer as a woman? " Some guys would shag anyone any sexuality long as they are getting off they don’t mind. | |||
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"Well I’m you’re mind you are straight as you feel you are shagging a women, in reality you are not, you’re shagging a man unless they’ve transitioned and had the op etc. So OP do you class a hairy ass panty wearer as a woman? " Reality is Subjective to each individual. | |||
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Prefer to feel just like a women but let them as I dont like to disappoint  | |||
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"Well I’m you’re mind you are straight as you feel you are shagging a women, in reality you are not, you’re shagging a man unless they’ve transitioned and had the op etc. So OP do you class a hairy ass panty wearer as a woman? Reality is Subjective to each individual. " That is called psychosis  | |||
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"Well I’m you’re mind you are straight as you feel you are shagging a women, in reality you are not, you’re shagging a man unless they’ve transitioned and had the op etc. So OP do you class a hairy ass panty wearer as a woman? Reality is Subjective to each individual. That is called psychosis "No it's not. How you see things isn't the same as someone else. Both views can be correct at the same time. Like looking at art. | |||
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"All the men I've met want to play with my bits
Prefer to feel just like a women but let them as I dont like to disappoint "I look at your pics and yes you do. | |||
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"I'd like to know if you're qualified to go round diagnosing random strangers with psychosis. That's quite a dangerous game to play." This  | |||
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"OK so I'm a straight guy but I meet tgirls because i find the sex to be really good, it's hot and they give insane blowjobs. I'm not here to debate whether I'm straight or bi either BTW but I am strictly into women. I know alot of straight men meet tgirls, was wondering what there reasons were. Feel free to share and discuss. " you can't be straight if you meet Tgiris you are bi sexual so why put straight on your profile | |||
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"In my opinion at the very least men who enjoy meeting people with a penis (however they identify themselves) are bi. It would be great if men could own their sexuality around here "We would, but get chastised for it. | |||
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"OK so I'm a straight guy but I meet tgirls because i find the sex to be really good, it's hot and they give insane blowjobs. I'm not here to debate whether I'm straight or bi either BTW but I am strictly into women. I know alot of straight men meet tgirls, was wondering what there reasons were. Feel free to share and discuss. " I don't find men attractive at all. I adore women. I love fucking TVs. Must be bisexuals then but hey, who cares about a label.. enjoy what you enjoy x | |||
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"In my opinion at the very least men who enjoy meeting people with a penis (however they identify themselves) are bi. It would be great if men could own their sexuality around here "My preference with regard to T-Girls is smooth, however I have been known to be flexible when in the mood, however I would never claim to be 'straight.' I enjoy women, I enjoy T-Girls, I'm bi. Come on guys, be honest with yourselves, your bi, it's 2019, you don't have to walk around with a big badge on yourself saying 'Im bi.' Just be honest on here of all places, surely on here your honesty will get some respect? | |||
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"I am what I am I always say to people if you have a problem with me you can always cross the road. " | |||
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"Does it have to be labelled??" Not really, just be happy and honest with yourself. some years ago I discovered that telling lies to myself and others, (especially people close to me) hurt me as much as it did others, I won't do it anymore. | |||
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"Does it really fucking matter? Do you enjoy what you do OP? Then don’t worry bout it, you are who you are and who you want to be, don’t put a stigma or label on it and live your life mate " | |||
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"No need to have a label, if you fancy them and they fancy you whatever sex you are then have fun and enjoy the experience." Some people like labels. Would you eat an unidentifiable tin of food? | |||
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"No need to have a label, if you fancy them and they fancy you whatever sex you are then have fun and enjoy the experience." The trouble with the label debate is we have all labelled ourselves on here ie straight, bi curious, bisexual or gay it's just some people label themselves wrongly and that is what is wrong | |||
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"In these post modernist days words seem to mean whatever any particular person wants them to mean. But in simpler times, if you had one set of genitals and liked having sex with people who also had that set of genitals then you were, by definition, gay or bi. " | |||
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So, getting back on track...
For me it’s the kink. It’s a bit taboo to me so challenges my own boundaries. The sex is very different and there are a lot more options as it were. And I’ve found on the few occasions I’ve done it I’ve thoroughly enjoyed playing with a willy | |||
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"Why are we so hooked on labels? I have never had a guy who stops and says - wait a minute, how shall we describe ourselves." On the other hand I have never yet seen a straight guy casually describe himself as bi. It is only bi guys labelling themselves as straight who employ this argument proving in a counter intuitive way that in fact labels do matter. | |||
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"Why are we so hooked on labels? I have never had a guy who stops and says - wait a minute, how shall we describe ourselves. On the other hand I have never yet seen a straight guy casually describe himself as bi. It is only bi guys labelling themselves as straight who employ this argument proving in a counter intuitive way that in fact labels do matter." | |||
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"OK so I'm a straight guy but I meet tgirls because i find the sex to be really good, it's hot and they give insane blowjobs. I'm not here to debate whether I'm straight or bi either BTW but I am strictly into women. I know alot of straight men meet tgirls, was wondering what there reasons were. Feel free to share and discuss. " I've found meeting T girls is easier than meeting real women, so that could be the answer? A hard dick doesn't care who sucks it after all! | |||
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"In answer to the the question posted, I guess because some of us are damn good at it and some guys consider themselves as straight because we look feminine. "No argument there. A few do admittedly looking stunning but they are still blokes and the straight guys that have sex with them are willingly deluding themselves. | |||
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"OK so I'm a straight guy but I meet tgirls because i find the sex to be really good, it's hot and they give insane blowjobs. I'm not here to debate whether I'm straight or bi either BTW but I am strictly into women. I know alot of straight men meet tgirls, was wondering what there reasons were. Feel free to share and discuss. I've found meeting T girls is easier than meeting real women, so that could be the answer? A hard dick doesn't care who sucks it after all! " I think that's about it for guys who meet tvs but consider themselves straight. They'd prefer to have sex with women but it's often easier to find a man dressed as a woman with whom to have casual sex as opposed to an actual woman | |||
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"OK so I'm a straight guy but I meet tgirls because i find the sex to be really good, it's hot and they give insane blowjobs. I'm not here to debate whether I'm straight or bi either BTW but I am strictly into women. I know alot of straight men meet tgirls, was wondering what there reasons were. Feel free to share and discuss. I've found meeting T girls is easier than meeting real women, so that could be the answer? A hard dick doesn't care who sucks it after all! I think that's about it for guys who meet tvs but consider themselves straight. They'd prefer to have sex with women but it's often easier to find a man dressed as a woman with whom to have casual sex as opposed to an actual woman " I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Horny men are like electricity, they'll always choose the path of least resistance. Women with low self esteem, or men dressed up like women. Failing that, other men! | |||
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"Believe or not, but lots of men actively want us and don't want GG, its the whole experience including our cocks There called admirers. Please don't insult us because you have no understanding of the scene." No one's insulting us hun, this is just a debate. | |||
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"OK so I'm a straight guy but I meet tgirls because i find the sex to be really good, it's hot and they give insane blowjobs. I'm not here to debate whether I'm straight or bi either BTW but I am strictly into women. I know alot of straight men meet tgirls, was wondering what there reasons were. Feel free to share and discuss. I've found meeting T girls is easier than meeting real women, so that could be the answer? A hard dick doesn't care who sucks it after all! I think that's about it for guys who meet tvs but consider themselves straight. They'd prefer to have sex with women but it's often easier to find a man dressed as a woman with whom to have casual sex as opposed to an actual woman I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Horny men are like electricity, they'll always choose the path of least resistance. Women with low self esteem, or men dressed up like women. Failing that, other men! "The path of least resistance is a wank. | |||
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"OK so I'm a straight guy but I meet tgirls because i find the sex to be really good, it's hot and they give insane blowjobs. I'm not here to debate whether I'm straight or bi either BTW but I am strictly into women. I know alot of straight men meet tgirls, was wondering what there reasons were. Feel free to share and discuss. I've found meeting T girls is easier than meeting real women, so that could be the answer? A hard dick doesn't care who sucks it after all! I think that's about it for guys who meet tvs but consider themselves straight. They'd prefer to have sex with women but it's often easier to find a man dressed as a woman with whom to have casual sex as opposed to an actual woman I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Horny men are like electricity, they'll always choose the path of least resistance. Women with low self esteem, or men dressed up like women. Failing that, other men!
The path of least resistance is a wank."That's true, i wish more men realised that! Then there wouldn't be so many "I've been here a week and no-one's sucked my dick yet." threads. | |||
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"No need to have a label, if you fancy them and they fancy you whatever sex you are then have fun and enjoy the experience. Some people like labels. Would you eat an unidentifiable tin of food? " A comparison between food and people, it’s not the same thing. | |||
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"Believe or not, but lots of men actively want us and don't want GG, its the whole experience including our cocks There called admirers. Please don't insult us because you have no understanding of the scene. No one's insulting us hun, this is just a debate. " Well we don't describe ourselves as blokes or men dressed as women for a start, just damn rude. TVs on here cover a wide spectrum from hats to TS, that probably doesn't help. | |||
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"I think it's odd how so many people who choose not to have fun with Tgirls, due to whatever "Preferences" They have. Think they've a right to label others who do. It doesn't effect you, so get off your high horse and live and let live FFS!" This is a sex site for swingers. Labels if honestly used are helpful for identifying people for meets and setting expectations. They exist for a logical reason and whinging because others decline to accept your particular view about them is silly. | |||
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"Believe or not, but lots of men actively want us and don't want GG, its the whole experience including our cocks There called admirers. Please don't insult us because you have no understanding of the scene. No one's insulting us hun, this is just a debate. Well we don't describe ourselves as blokes or men dressed as women for a start, just damn rude. TVs on here cover a wide spectrum from hats to TS, that probably doesn't help." I do. I'm a bloke who likes to dress occasionally. I don't think that degrades anyone elses TV status. I don't find it rude, because like you said, it's a wide spectrum of different people who dress for different reasons. | |||
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"Believe or not, but lots of men actively want us and don't want GG, its the whole experience including our cocks There called admirers. Please don't insult us because you have no understanding of the scene. No one's insulting us hun, this is just a debate. Well we don't describe ourselves as blokes or men dressed as women for a start, just damn rude. TVs on here cover a wide spectrum from hats to TS, that probably doesn't help." I could describe myself as voluptuous, or an Adonis. It doesn't make me right. | |||
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"I think it's odd how so many people who choose not to have fun with Tgirls, due to whatever "Preferences" They have. Think they've a right to label others who do. It doesn't effect you, so get off your high horse and live and let live FFS! This is a sex site for swingers. Labels if honestly used are helpful for identifying people for meets and setting expectations. They exist for a logical reason and whinging because others decline to accept your particular view about them is silly." There is some truth in what you say. I'm not whinging. I'm just pointing out, if Tv's aren't for you, why are you bothered how we label or think of ourselves? Why are you bothered why men who meet us choose to label themselves? It has zero effect on you if you choose not to join in. | |||
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"Believe or not, but lots of men actively want us and don't want GG, its the whole experience including our cocks There called admirers. Please don't insult us because you have no understanding of the scene. No one's insulting us hun, this is just a debate. Well we don't describe ourselves as blokes or men dressed as women for a start, just damn rude. TVs on here cover a wide spectrum from hats to TS, that probably doesn't help. I could describe myself as voluptuous, or an Adonis. It doesn't make me right." It does of my that's how you feel about yourself. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the beholden. Everyone else can fuck off as it's none of their business. Again, if you choose not to partake in fun with tgirls/TVs/Cds and TS's. It's really none of your concern is it? | |||
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"I think it's odd how so many people who choose not to have fun with Tgirls, due to whatever "Preferences" They have. Think they've a right to label others who do. It doesn't effect you, so get off your high horse and live and let live FFS! This is a sex site for swingers. Labels if honestly used are helpful for identifying people for meets and setting expectations. They exist for a logical reason and whinging because others decline to accept your particular view about them is silly. There is some truth in what you say. I'm not whinging. I'm just pointing out, if Tv's aren't for you, why are you bothered how we label or think of ourselves? Why are you bothered why men who meet us choose to label themselves? It has zero effect on you if you choose not to join in. " Sorry I didnt realise we werent allowed to voice an opinion because we dont meet Tvs. We do however get contacted repeatedly by guys who claim to be straight but are verified by tvs. Does that qualify us to voice an opinion? | |||
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"Believe or not, but lots of men actively want us and don't want GG, its the whole experience including our cocks There called admirers. Please don't insult us because you have no understanding of the scene. No one's insulting us hun, this is just a debate. Well we don't describe ourselves as blokes or men dressed as women for a start, just damn rude. TVs on here cover a wide spectrum from hats to TS, that probably doesn't help. I could describe myself as voluptuous, or an Adonis. It doesn't make me right. It does of my that's how you feel about yourself. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the beholden. Everyone else can fuck off as it's none of their business. Again, if you choose not to partake in fun with tgirls/TVs/Cds and TS's. It's really none of your concern is it? " Who are you addressing? | |||
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"I think it's odd how so many people who choose not to have fun with Tgirls, due to whatever "Preferences" They have. Think they've a right to label others who do. It doesn't effect you, so get off your high horse and live and let live FFS! This is a sex site for swingers. Labels if honestly used are helpful for identifying people for meets and setting expectations. They exist for a logical reason and whinging because others decline to accept your particular view about them is silly. There is some truth in what you say. I'm not whinging. I'm just pointing out, if Tv's aren't for you, why are you bothered how we label or think of ourselves? Why are you bothered why men who meet us choose to label themselves? It has zero effect on you if you choose not to join in. Sorry I didnt realise we werent allowed to voice an opinion because we dont meet Tvs. We do however get contacted repeatedly by guys who claim to be straight but are verified by tvs. Does that qualify us to voice an opinion?" Of course. If for whatever reason, you don't want to meet bisexual men then you have a right to that position. | |||
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"OK so I'm a straight guy but I meet tgirls because i find the sex to be really good, it's hot and they give insane blowjobs. I'm not here to debate whether I'm straight or bi either BTW but I am strictly into women. I know alot of straight men meet tgirls, was wondering what there reasons were. Feel free to share and discuss. " Your gay | |||
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"OK so I'm a straight guy but I meet tgirls because i find the sex to be really good, it's hot and they give insane blowjobs. I'm not here to debate whether I'm straight or bi either BTW but I am strictly into women. I know alot of straight men meet tgirls, was wondering what there reasons were. Feel free to share and discuss. Your gay" It's *you're*! And he's bi. | |||
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"These posts always end up the same way and so they go on and on, maybe it's the human condition." I totally agree. Neither side will ever understand the other. In fact I would go further and suggest that the description "straight" is so abused and distorted on planet fab (if not the real world) that is pretty much useless anyway. | |||
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"I think it's odd how so many people who choose not to have fun with Tgirls, due to whatever "Preferences" They have. Think they've a right to label others who do. It doesn't effect you, so get off your high horse and live and let live FFS! This is a sex site for swingers. Labels if honestly used are helpful for identifying people for meets and setting expectations. They exist for a logical reason and whinging because others decline to accept your particular view about them is silly. There is some truth in what you say. I'm not whinging. I'm just pointing out, if Tv's aren't for you, why are you bothered how we label or think of ourselves? Why are you bothered why men who meet us choose to label themselves? It has zero effect on you if you choose not to join in. Sorry I didnt realise we werent allowed to voice an opinion because we dont meet Tvs. We do however get contacted repeatedly by guys who claim to be straight but are verified by tvs. Does that qualify us to voice an opinion?" You can voice your opinion, it just amazes me that it bothers you all do much. I don't like water sports.. doesn't mean I'm going to jump into that thread and give my opinion on it. | |||
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"Believe or not, but lots of men actively want us and don't want GG, its the whole experience including our cocks There called admirers. Please don't insult us because you have no understanding of the scene. No one's insulting us hun, this is just a debate. Well we don't describe ourselves as blokes or men dressed as women for a start, just damn rude. TVs on here cover a wide spectrum from hats to TS, that probably doesn't help. I could describe myself as voluptuous, or an Adonis. It doesn't make me right. It does of my that's how you feel about yourself. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the beholden. Everyone else can fuck off as it's none of their business. Again, if you choose not to partake in fun with tgirls/TVs/Cds and TS's. It's really none of your concern is it? Who are you addressing?" Anyone trying to label us, or the men who choose to meet us. If they don't partake themselves. | |||
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"These posts always end up the same way and so they go on and on, maybe it's the human condition. I totally agree. Neither side will ever understand the other. In fact I would go further and suggest that the description "straight" is so abused and distorted on planet fab (if not the real world) that is pretty much useless anyway." I agree too, straight means nothing as most are confused or either lie. So maybe we need to use our intuition more when chatting and drop the labels altogether, or just give up. | |||
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"I think it's odd how so many people who choose not to have fun with Tgirls, due to whatever "Preferences" They have. Think they've a right to label others who do. It doesn't effect you, so get off your high horse and live and let live FFS! This is a sex site for swingers. Labels if honestly used are helpful for identifying people for meets and setting expectations. They exist for a logical reason and whinging because others decline to accept your particular view about them is silly. There is some truth in what you say. I'm not whinging. I'm just pointing out, if Tv's aren't for you, why are you bothered how we label or think of ourselves? Why are you bothered why men who meet us choose to label themselves? It has zero effect on you if you choose not to join in. Sorry I didnt realise we werent allowed to voice an opinion because we dont meet Tvs. We do however get contacted repeatedly by guys who claim to be straight but are verified by tvs. Does that qualify us to voice an opinion? Of course. If for whatever reason, you don't want to meet bisexual men then you have a right to that position. "True. You don't need to come to a bisexual/Tgirl thread and gob off about who is what though do you? | |||
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"I think it's odd how so many people who choose not to have fun with Tgirls, due to whatever "Preferences" They have. Think they've a right to label others who do. It doesn't effect you, so get off your high horse and live and let live FFS! This is a sex site for swingers. Labels if honestly used are helpful for identifying people for meets and setting expectations. They exist for a logical reason and whinging because others decline to accept your particular view about them is silly. There is some truth in what you say. I'm not whinging. I'm just pointing out, if Tv's aren't for you, why are you bothered how we label or think of ourselves? Why are you bothered why men who meet us choose to label themselves? It has zero effect on you if you choose not to join in. Sorry I didnt realise we werent allowed to voice an opinion because we dont meet Tvs. We do however get contacted repeatedly by guys who claim to be straight but are verified by tvs. Does that qualify us to voice an opinion? Of course. If for whatever reason, you don't want to meet bisexual men then you have a right to that position.
True. You don't need to come to a bisexual/Tgirl thread and gob off about who is what though do you?""Gobbing off". Lol. You have a deeply unpleasant way of expressing yourself 
No I will feel free to voice my opinion any time I feel like it. And unlike some I could point a finger at I will continue to do it in a sensible, logical and polite manner. | |||
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"These posts always end up the same way and so they go on and on, maybe it's the human condition. I totally agree. Neither side will ever understand the other. In fact I would go further and suggest that the description "straight" is so abused and distorted on planet fab (if not the real world) that is pretty much useless anyway. I agree too, straight means nothing as most are confused or either lie. So maybe we need to use our intuition more when chatting and drop the labels altogether, or just give up." I don't know why you felt it necessary to block me, we don't send messages to people as we have enough to contend with on here. Don't worry you want catch bi. | |||
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"I'm not here to debate whether I'm straight or bi either BTW but I am strictly into women." If you like to shag a man in a dress then you're not "strictly into women". | |||
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"When we join here we tick straight, bi curious, bisexual or gay, and whilst I have no issues with anyone's sexuality I do have an issue with liars. For me it's as simple as that ...these threads seem to be about self justification! " | |||
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"I'm not here to debate whether I'm straight or bi either BTW but I am strictly into women. If you like to shag a man in a dress then you're not "strictly into women"." Please refrain from generalising and being ignorant, I don't mind considered views and argument. But your just very crude. | |||
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"Why are people getting defensive and going into entrenched positions about a very logical debate? There’s nothing wrong with men who like TVs. What is wrong is when they do, but can’t face up to it and have to lie to everyone including themselves that they are straight. When this happens, it demeans the TVs they spend time with because it’s effectively saying there’s something wrong with them for being who they are. In essence, they don’t treat the TVs with respect if they can’t even be honest with themselves! As a society, we usually talk a good game about equality and treating everyone with respect but rarely liveup to it. To me, this is an example of the same men who believe in that bullshit but don’t act like it. " Some people refuse to be truthful on issues of their own sexuality. It is a bit like the parable of the Emperors new clothing. Everybody is expected to buy into their illogical delusion. And if you dont then that provokes a nasty response. Although I dont share their interests I can respect a guy who is confident enough to openly admit to enjoying sex with another guy, tv, whatever. I find it difficult to find ANY respect for guys who do this and demand I accept their claim to be straight. | |||
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" It would be great if men could own their sexuality around here " | |||
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"In my opinion at the very least men who enjoy meeting people with a penis (however they identify themselves) are bi. It would be great if men could own their sexuality around here
We would, but get chastised for it."Everyone is here for their own reasons. I find it pathetic if people hide what they want/like to please total strangers who are doing what they please. | |||
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"We all know that sexuality can be a fluid thing if you are that way wired. We live in a society where you have to be either this or that but nevera bit of both. That is the very antithesis of being human. We are all not just one thing. If we really want to live in a world where we make each other happy, we have to start by being honest with ourselves. To me, the men who date TVs but can’t look in the mirror is a sad reflection of our society in general and what it means to be a man specifically." Very eloquently put, that's why we don't meet guys from this site unless they take us out. If we're good enough for the bedroom then we're good enough for the pub or restaurant. | |||
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"Why are people getting defensive and going into entrenched positions about a very logical debate? There’s nothing wrong with men who like TVs. What is wrong is when they do, but can’t face up to it and have to lie to everyone including themselves that they are straight. When this happens, it demeans the TVs they spend time with because it’s effectively saying there’s something wrong with them for being who they are. In essence, they don’t treat the TVs with respect if they can’t even be honest with themselves! As a society, we usually talk a good game about equality and treating everyone with respect but rarely liveup to it. To me, this is an example of the same men who believe in that bullshit but don’t act like it. " Wow x1000 | |||
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"Why are people getting defensive and going into entrenched positions about a very logical debate? There’s nothing wrong with men who like TVs. What is wrong is when they do, but can’t face up to it and have to lie to everyone including themselves that they are straight. When this happens, it demeans the TVs they spend time with because it’s effectively saying there’s something wrong with them for being who they are. In essence, they don’t treat the TVs with respect if they can’t even be honest with themselves! As a society, we usually talk a good game about equality and treating everyone with respect but rarely liveup to it. To me, this is an example of the same men who believe in that bullshit but don’t act like it. Some people refuse to be truthful on issues of their own sexuality. It is a bit like the parable of the Emperors new clothing. Everybody is expected to buy into their illogical delusion. And if you dont then that provokes a nasty response. Although I dont share their interests I can respect a guy who is confident enough to openly admit to enjoying sex with another guy, tv, whatever. I find it difficult to find ANY respect for guys who do this and demand I accept their claim to be straight." Spot on.... | |||
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"OK so I'm a straight guy but I meet tgirls because i find the sex to be really good, it's hot and they give insane blowjobs. I'm not here to debate whether I'm straight or bi either BTW but I am strictly into women. I know alot of straight men meet tgirls, was wondering what there reasons were. Feel free to share and discuss. " I know a gay man who meets women as long as they dress up like a man..loves fucking them. I also know a gay woman, a lesbian, who meets men as long as the dress up like a woman..she loves getting fucked by them. | |||
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"I think it's odd how so many people who choose not to have fun with Tgirls, due to whatever "Preferences" They have. Think they've a right to label others who do. It doesn't effect you, so get off your high horse and live and let live FFS! This is a sex site for swingers. Labels if honestly used are helpful for identifying people for meets and setting expectations. They exist for a logical reason and whinging because others decline to accept your particular view about them is silly. There is some truth in what you say. I'm not whinging. I'm just pointing out, if Tv's aren't for you, why are you bothered how we label or think of ourselves? Why are you bothered why men who meet us choose to label themselves? It has zero effect on you if you choose not to join in. Sorry I didnt realise we werent allowed to voice an opinion because we dont meet Tvs. We do however get contacted repeatedly by guys who claim to be straight but are verified by tvs. Does that qualify us to voice an opinion? Of course. If for whatever reason, you don't want to meet bisexual men then you have a right to that position.
True. You don't need to come to a bisexual/Tgirl thread and gob off about who is what though do you?
"Gobbing off". Lol.
You have a deeply unpleasant way of expressing yourself
No I will feel free to voice my opinion any time I feel like it. And unlike some I could point a finger at I will continue to do it in a sensible, logical and polite manner."Then don't be surprised if you're met with a little hostility for judging others. | |||
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"I think it's odd how so many people who choose not to have fun with Tgirls, due to whatever "Preferences" They have. Think they've a right to label others who do. It doesn't effect you, so get off your high horse and live and let live FFS! This is a sex site for swingers. Labels if honestly used are helpful for identifying people for meets and setting expectations. They exist for a logical reason and whinging because others decline to accept your particular view about them is silly. There is some truth in what you say. I'm not whinging. I'm just pointing out, if Tv's aren't for you, why are you bothered how we label or think of ourselves? Why are you bothered why men who meet us choose to label themselves? It has zero effect on you if you choose not to join in. Sorry I didnt realise we werent allowed to voice an opinion because we dont meet Tvs. We do however get contacted repeatedly by guys who claim to be straight but are verified by tvs. Does that qualify us to voice an opinion? Of course. If for whatever reason, you don't want to meet bisexual men then you have a right to that position.
True. You don't need to come to a bisexual/Tgirl thread and gob off about who is what though do you?
"Gobbing off". Lol.
You have a deeply unpleasant way of expressing yourself
No I will feel free to voice my opinion any time I feel like it. And unlike some I could point a finger at I will continue to do it in a sensible, logical and polite manner.
Then don't be surprised if you're met with a little hostility for judging others."I am perfectly happy to debate with those who disagree with my opinion. They are entitled to their own and with that I have no issues. But "hostility"? Seriously? Is your opinion so fragile that hostility is how you chose to respond to those who dont share it? | |||
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"OK so I'm a straight guy but I meet tgirls because i find the sex to be really good, it's hot and they give insane blowjobs. I'm not here to debate whether I'm straight or bi either BTW but I am strictly into women. I know alot of straight men meet tgirls, was wondering what there reasons were. Feel free to share and discuss. I know a gay man who meets women as long as they dress up like a man..loves fucking them. I also know a gay woman, a lesbian, who meets men as long as the dress up like a woman..she loves getting fucked by them. " And therein lies the complexity and fluidity of sexuality. We label people but are fighting a losing game. Maybe someday we will all get this and let people be. But it still doesn’t condone men lying to themselves and everyone else just to get a fuck | |||
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"In my opinion at the very least men who enjoy meeting people with a penis (however they identify themselves) are bi. It would be great if men could own their sexuality around here
We would, but get chastised for it."
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"I think it's odd how so many people who choose not to have fun with Tgirls, due to whatever "Preferences" They have. Think they've a right to label others who do. It doesn't effect you, so get off your high horse and live and let live FFS! This is a sex site for swingers. Labels if honestly used are helpful for identifying people for meets and setting expectations. They exist for a logical reason and whinging because others decline to accept your particular view about them is silly. There is some truth in what you say. I'm not whinging. I'm just pointing out, if Tv's aren't for you, why are you bothered how we label or think of ourselves? Why are you bothered why men who meet us choose to label themselves? It has zero effect on you if you choose not to join in. Sorry I didnt realise we werent allowed to voice an opinion because we dont meet Tvs. We do however get contacted repeatedly by guys who claim to be straight but are verified by tvs. Does that qualify us to voice an opinion? Of course. If for whatever reason, you don't want to meet bisexual men then you have a right to that position.
True. You don't need to come to a bisexual/Tgirl thread and gob off about who is what though do you?
"Gobbing off". Lol.
You have a deeply unpleasant way of expressing yourself
No I will feel free to voice my opinion any time I feel like it. And unlike some I could point a finger at I will continue to do it in a sensible, logical and polite manner.
Then don't be surprised if you're met with a little hostility for judging others.
I am perfectly happy to debate with those who disagree with my opinion. They are entitled to their own and with that I have no issues.
But "hostility"? Seriously?
Is your opinion so fragile that hostility is how you chose to respond to those who dont share it?"I'm not being hostile with you, believe me.. if I were, you'd know about it and I'd be reported for it. My opinion, seeing as you've mentioned it. Is that I'm a bisexual male who likes to dress occasionally. I've no gender issues to speak of and I'm open about my sexuality. I choose not to be so open on my male profile, because I enjoy challenging women's preconceived and misinformed perceptions on sexuality. I never lie about it and always let them know before I meet them. My sexuality is none of anyone else's business. People's messed up preferences are their own businless. I'm not as promiscuous as most Females and Couples on here that I see. I'm safer when I do have sex than many people on here. I get regularly checked twice a year at my local GUM Clinic, so I'm safer and more knowledgeable about STI transmission than most people on here. I have a lot of female friends who prior to meeting me, WOUKD never have considered meeting a bisexual male, because they had this bizarre idea that it made me less masculine, less manly and a bit of a risk. Every woman who spent time getting to know me properly as a straight man without having to deal with my sexuality till I felt the time was right to explain it. Has then continued on to have sex with me afterwards. So my tactic works and I'll stick with it. It's this stupid preconceptions and misinformed judgemental attitudes that make me want to jump in and defend Tgirls and the men who meet them. Whether they choose to be honest about their sexuality or not. It's how they behave with me directly, one on one, that I judge them on. I understand the bigotry and treatment a bisexual man often has to put up with on sites like these. Many of the comments in this thread alone back up what I'm saying. Keep your nose out of other people's business if what they are doing has zero effect on you. You met a bi man by accident and you're pissed off about it? Try losing some of the anger and consider that your attitude and reaction may be the exact reason he did. Personally I'd never want to have sex with someone who couldn't accept me for who I am as a whole. That's why I'm always honest about it in the end. Not every bi man is as far down that road as I am though and they deserve a little slack and judgement free space to be themselves before they trust others or are brave enough to own it. If my way of self expression upsets you, don't engage with me. Simple. | |||
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"In my opinion at the very least men who enjoy meeting people with a penis (however they identify themselves) are bi. It would be great if men could own their sexuality around here
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"I think it's odd how so many people who choose not to have fun with Tgirls, due to whatever "Preferences" They have. Think they've a right to label others who do. It doesn't effect you, so get off your high horse and live and let live FFS! This is a sex site for swingers. Labels if honestly used are helpful for identifying people for meets and setting expectations. They exist for a logical reason and whinging because others decline to accept your particular view about them is silly. There is some truth in what you say. I'm not whinging. I'm just pointing out, if Tv's aren't for you, why are you bothered how we label or think of ourselves? Why are you bothered why men who meet us choose to label themselves? It has zero effect on you if you choose not to join in. Sorry I didnt realise we werent allowed to voice an opinion because we dont meet Tvs. We do however get contacted repeatedly by guys who claim to be straight but are verified by tvs. Does that qualify us to voice an opinion? Of course. If for whatever reason, you don't want to meet bisexual men then you have a right to that position.
True. You don't need to come to a bisexual/Tgirl thread and gob off about who is what though do you?
"Gobbing off". Lol.
You have a deeply unpleasant way of expressing yourself
No I will feel free to voice my opinion any time I feel like it. And unlike some I could point a finger at I will continue to do it in a sensible, logical and polite manner.
Then don't be surprised if you're met with a little hostility for judging others.
I am perfectly happy to debate with those who disagree with my opinion. They are entitled to their own and with that I have no issues.
But "hostility"? Seriously?
Is your opinion so fragile that hostility is how you chose to respond to those who dont share it?
I'm not being hostile with you, believe me.. if I were, you'd know about it and I'd be reported for it.
My opinion, seeing as you've mentioned it. Is that I'm a bisexual male who likes to dress occasionally. I've no gender issues to speak of and I'm open about my sexuality.
I choose not to be so open on my male profile, because I enjoy challenging women's preconceived and misinformed perceptions on sexuality. I never lie about it and always let them know before I meet them.
My sexuality is none of anyone else's business. People's messed up preferences are their own businless.
I'm not as promiscuous as most Females and Couples on here that I see. I'm safer when I do have sex than many people on here. I get regularly checked twice a year at my local GUM Clinic, so I'm safer and more knowledgeable about STI transmission than most people on here.
I have a lot of female friends who prior to meeting me, WOUKD never have considered meeting a bisexual male, because they had this bizarre idea that it made me less masculine, less manly and a bit of a risk.
Every woman who spent time getting to know me properly as a straight man without having to deal with my sexuality till I felt the time was right to explain it. Has then continued on to have sex with me afterwards. So my tactic works and I'll stick with it.
It's this stupid preconceptions and misinformed judgemental attitudes that make me want to jump in and defend Tgirls and the men who meet them. Whether they choose to be honest about their sexuality or not.
It's how they behave with me directly, one on one, that I judge them on.
I understand the bigotry and treatment a bisexual man often has to put up with on sites like these. Many of the comments in this thread alone back up what I'm saying.
Keep your nose out of other people's business if what they are doing has zero effect on you.
You met a bi man by accident and you're pissed off about it? Try losing some of the anger and consider that your attitude and reaction may be the exact reason he did.
Personally I'd never want to have sex with someone who couldn't accept me for who I am as a whole. That's why I'm always honest about it in the end. Not every bi man is as far down that road as I am though and they deserve a little slack and judgement free space to be themselves before they trust others or are brave enough to own it.
If my way of self expression upsets you, don't engage with me. Simple. "Now that at least is an articulate and reasoned response. Without the agression and gobbing off comments. I certainly accept some of your points but cannot accept others but acknowledge and appreciate your attempt at debating your opinion. | |||
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"I would say a only a small percentage of guys are totally straight going by our experience. Argue that point all you want and I'm sure you will, especially men with the pack mentality and women who don't really know what there husband's get up to." Could it be your understanding of men and their sexuality might be a little distorted by the prism of fab? Any guys you come into contact with on fab are already likely to be bi curious. A bit like an orthopedic doctors observing that most guys have broken legs. | |||
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"OK so I'm a straight guy but I meet tgirls because i find the sex to be really good, it's hot and they give insane blowjobs. I'm not here to debate whether I'm straight or bi either BTW but I am strictly into women. I know alot of straight men meet tgirls, was wondering what there reasons were. Feel free to share and discuss. " same sex , sex means your bi or gay thems the facts all this fab straight rubbish is just guys who can’t be open and honest about there sexuality simples | |||
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"I would say a only a small percentage of guys are totally straight going by our experience. Argue that point all you want and I'm sure you will, especially men with the pack mentality and women who don't really know what there husband's get up to. Could it be your understanding of men and their sexuality might be a little distorted by the prism of fab? Any guys you come into contact with on fab are already likely to be bi curious. A bit like an orthopedic doctors observing that most guys have broken legs." I agree. I think sexuality is equally split between the three. gay straight and bi That's just an opinion based on my life experiences, not the fab prism | |||
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"I would say a only a small percentage of guys are totally straight going by our experience. Argue that point all you want and I'm sure you will, especially men with the pack mentality and women who don't really know what there husband's get up to. Could it be your understanding of men and their sexuality might be a little distorted by the prism of fab? Any guys you come into contact with on fab are already likely to be bi curious. A bit like an orthopedic doctors observing that most guys have broken legs." haha this made me giggle | |||
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"I would say a only a small percentage of guys are totally straight going by our experience. Argue that point all you want and I'm sure you will, especially men with the pack mentality and women who don't really know what there husband's get up to. Could it be your understanding of men and their sexuality might be a little distorted by the prism of fab? Any guys you come into contact with on fab are already likely to be bi curious. A bit like an orthopedic doctors observing that most guys have broken legs." Hardly, fab is only a very small part of our life's as there are numerous sites and of course life in general. | |||
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"I would say a only a small percentage of guys are totally straight going by our experience. Argue that point all you want and I'm sure you will, especially men with the pack mentality and women who don't really know what there husband's get up to. Could it be your understanding of men and their sexuality might be a little distorted by the prism of fab? Any guys you come into contact with on fab are already likely to be bi curious. A bit like an orthopedic doctors observing that most guys have broken legs." Hardly, fab is only a very small part of our life's as there are numerous sites and of course life in general. | |||
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"OK so I'm a straight guy but I meet tgirls because i find the sex to be really good, it's hot and they give insane blowjobs. I'm not here to debate whether I'm straight or bi either BTW but I am strictly into women. I know alot of straight men meet tgirls, was wondering what there reasons were. Feel free to share and discuss. I know a gay man who meets women as long as they dress up like a man..loves fucking them. I also know a gay woman, a lesbian, who meets men as long as the dress up like a woman..she loves getting fucked by them. " Then neither are gay both would be bisexual surely? | |||
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I'm a BBW but I don't care how people choose to 'label ' me
I'm also Bi and I own it- I don't fuck women in men's clothes and pretend they're men - then lie about it!
I couldn't care less who anyone else is fucking - just stop lying!
Own who you are - it's 2019 no one cares if you're gay or Bi or any other shades of grey.
If women won't sleep with you because you're Bi- that's their choice.
Surely you only want to meet people that want to meet you?
I doubt that most 'straight ' men on here are straight at all.
I don't care - but some people do - let them make an informed decision about who they're fucking.
Sometimes I feel like the only honest men on here are the TV / TS - at least they have the courage to be who they are.
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"These threads fill up just as quick as the BBW threads. Loads of people justifying themselves
I'm a BBW but I don't care how people choose to 'label ' me
I'm also Bi and I own it- I don't fuck women in men's clothes and pretend they're men - then lie about it!
I couldn't care less who anyone else is fucking - just stop lying!
Own who you are - it's 2019 no one cares if you're gay or Bi or any other shades of grey.
If women won't sleep with you because you're Bi- that's their choice.
Surely you only want to meet people that want to meet you?
I doubt that most 'straight ' men on here are straight at all.
I don't care - but some people do - let them make an informed decision about who they're fucking.
Sometimes I feel like the only honest men on here are the TV / TS - at least they have the courage to be who they are.
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! " This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
"I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens. I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies. The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me. | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
"Ok I agree with a lot of that but have to ask why not just have bi on both as it wouldn't be unreasonable for someone to call you a time waster if you only tell them at a late date. | |||
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"In answer to the the question posted, I guess because some of us are damn good at it and some guys consider themselves as straight because we look feminine. " Great answer
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
Ok I agree with a lot of that but have to ask why not just have bi on both as it wouldn't be unreasonable for someone to call you a time waster if you only tell them at a late date. "Because there are a lot of women who would meet me, date me and fuck me if they thought I were 100% straight. Most of my waking life, that's exactly how I feel, my bisexuality has limits and is just something I view more as a Fetish rather than my sexuality, regardless of how others see it. Rationally speaking, I have to admit I am fully bisexual though, even though I can't look at a man in a romantic light. The second woman I admitted my bisexuality too admitted she'd not have looked at me twice as she'd have found it very offputting. We'd already had sex when I came clean. I cared for her a lot and felt very guilty about lying, so I was honest. I couldn't look at her when I did because I felt super ashamed of myself for lying again and ashamed of who I was. Two weeks later she told me she loved me. Now I enjoy challenging that preconception. It also buys me time for a woman to get to know I'm "all that is man" before they dismiss me unfairly. I don't feel as if any of us on here or elsewhere have an automatic right to know our true sexuality, till they've earnt the right to be trusted with it. It's 2019 but there's still a lot of prejudice and homophobia around unfortunately. | |||
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"OK so I'm a straight guy but I meet tgirls because i find the sex to be really good, it's hot and they give insane blowjobs. I'm not here to debate whether I'm straight or bi either BTW but I am strictly into women. I know alot of straight men meet tgirls, was wondering what there reasons were. Feel free to share and discuss. " Wouldn’t care what it makes me tbh, a sexy t girl is way up the top of my list .. Just need to find some locally lol | |||
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"Just to add, I agree some delude themselves including TVs, but it's a full-time lifestyle choice for some girls. There's more to life than just fab swingers, so save the self righteous judgements and let people run their own life's. " Here here well said | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
"For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either "Then I think you know where you can stick that view. I won't bother telling you what I think of you. You're not worth getting banned over. Needless to say I'll avoid you as best as I'm able from now on. | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
Ok I agree with a lot of that but have to ask why not just have bi on both as it wouldn't be unreasonable for someone to call you a time waster if you only tell them at a late date.
Because there are a lot of women who would meet me, date me and fuck me if they thought I were 100% straight. Most of my waking life, that's exactly how I feel, my bisexuality has limits and is just something I view more as a Fetish rather than my sexuality, regardless of how others see it. Rationally speaking, I have to admit I am fully bisexual though, even though I can't look at a man in a romantic light.
The second woman I admitted my bisexuality too admitted she'd not have looked at me twice as she'd have found it very offputting.
We'd already had sex when I came clean. I cared for her a lot and felt very guilty about lying, so I was honest.
I couldn't look at her when I did because I felt super ashamed of myself for lying again and ashamed of who I was.
Two weeks later she told me she loved me.
Now I enjoy challenging that preconception. It also buys me time for a woman to get to know I'm "all that is man" before they dismiss me unfairly.
I don't feel as if any of us on here or elsewhere have an automatic right to know our true sexuality, till they've earnt the right to be trusted with it.
It's 2019 but there's still a lot of prejudice and homophobia around unfortunately.
" I'm so sorry you've had those experiences x
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either
Then I think you know where you can stick that view. I won't bother telling you what I think of you. You're not worth getting banned over.
Needless to say I'll avoid you as best as I'm able from now on."I have no problems with anyone's sexuality but I do with people who lie that's all ... I don't see lying as a nice quality whereas being bisexual or gay doesn't bother me at all! | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
Ok I agree with a lot of that but have to ask why not just have bi on both as it wouldn't be unreasonable for someone to call you a time waster if you only tell them at a late date.
Because there are a lot of women who would meet me, date me and fuck me if they thought I were 100% straight. Most of my waking life, that's exactly how I feel, my bisexuality has limits and is just something I view more as a Fetish rather than my sexuality, regardless of how others see it. Rationally speaking, I have to admit I am fully bisexual though, even though I can't look at a man in a romantic light.
The second woman I admitted my bisexuality too admitted she'd not have looked at me twice as she'd have found it very offputting.
We'd already had sex when I came clean. I cared for her a lot and felt very guilty about lying, so I was honest.
I couldn't look at her when I did because I felt super ashamed of myself for lying again and ashamed of who I was.
Two weeks later she told me she loved me.
Now I enjoy challenging that preconception. It also buys me time for a woman to get to know I'm "all that is man" before they dismiss me unfairly.
I don't feel as if any of us on here or elsewhere have an automatic right to know our true sexuality, till they've earnt the right to be trusted with it.
It's 2019 but there's still a lot of prejudice and homophobia around unfortunately.
I'm so sorry you've had those experiences x
Think from what I've read, I'm glad how people react with you is improving fs, baby steps jeez "It's not, just the Women I choose to engage with. Still have to put up with loads of ridiculous crap on the forum and in people's day to day talk... as you can see above. | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either
Then I think you know where you can stick that view. I won't bother telling you what I think of you. You're not worth getting banned over.
Needless to say I'll avoid you as best as I'm able from now on.
I have no problems with anyone's sexuality but I do with people who lie that's all ... I don't see lying as a nice quality whereas being bisexual or gay doesn't bother me at all! "Yet my truth isn't good enough for you? Who the Hell do you think you are? To think you're entitled to know what goes on in my private life? You call me deceitful and a liar? Even though I tell the truth. No wonder less confident people lie. Like everything on your profile is absolute truth. | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either
Then I think you know where you can stick that view. I won't bother telling you what I think of you. You're not worth getting banned over.
Needless to say I'll avoid you as best as I'm able from now on."Babe, almost immediately you told me of your two profiles & was grateful for your upmost honesty. It gets so fkn tiresome, continuously battling to feel understood. You also learn, not everyone wants to understand so why the need to fkn explain who we are at all! I get that now x If we love the choices we decided for ourselves & ain't hurting another....you got my backing and respect all day long  xx | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either
Then I think you know where you can stick that view. I won't bother telling you what I think of you. You're not worth getting banned over.
Needless to say I'll avoid you as best as I'm able from now on.
I have no problems with anyone's sexuality but I do with people who lie that's all ... I don't see lying as a nice quality whereas being bisexual or gay doesn't bother me at all!
Yet my truth isn't good enough for you?
Who the Hell do you think you are? To think you're entitled to know what goes on in my private life? You call me deceitful and a liar? Even though I tell the truth. No wonder less confident people lie. Like everything on your profile is absolute truth. "If I met you as a bisexual man no worries at all but if I met you on your straight man profile and you told me after I would feel that you had lied to me and I wouldn't respect you then ... what is the problem with that? It's not you personally, it would be the same with anyone who lied to me! I take blocking me as your answer and no worries | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either
Then I think you know where you can stick that view. I won't bother telling you what I think of you. You're not worth getting banned over.
Needless to say I'll avoid you as best as I'm able from now on.
Babe, almost immediately you told me of your two profiles & was grateful for your upmost honesty.
It gets so fkn tiresome, continuously battling to feel understood.
You also learn, not everyone wants to understand so why the need to fkn explain who we are at all!
I get that now x
If we love the choices we decided for ourselves & ain't hurting another....you got my backing and respect all day long xx"I'm not battling for myself. I'm very comfortable with who and what I am. I'm battling for the Bi men who are scared to admit their sexuality or struggling to come to terms with it. I'm also battling for the vast spectrum of trans people also struggling to come to terms with themselves. Battling against people who can't possibly empathise with why we may choose to lie in order to protect ourselves. Battling against prejudice and homophobia. Battling against every stupid Cunt who thinks that because we're no, we'll sleep with anyone and anything. That we don't practice safe sex. That we don't get ourselves tested. That we don't care about people we meet. That we're not manly or masculine enough anymore, simply because we happen to be born bisexual. I couldn't give one toss what anyone on this site thinks of me. I'm comfy as fuck in my own skin. Unfortunately there's a lot of men who are destroying themselves, destroying their marriages, destroying others lives... because this is the vast majority of women tend to view us. If women on Fab can't get it into their thick skulls that we may not be any of those nasty little insults. Then what hope do we have in the Real World. End of the day, you've no right to know anyone's sexuality till they choose to tell you. To think otherwise just makes you arrogant and up your own arse. If on the other hand you have personal experience with someone who does match those more negative stereotypes.. then fair play, I'll forgive the ignorance in that instance. Doesn't give you the right to call us all promiscuous, unsafe, non-macho, disease ridden liars. | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either
Then I think you know where you can stick that view. I won't bother telling you what I think of you. You're not worth getting banned over.
Needless to say I'll avoid you as best as I'm able from now on.
I have no problems with anyone's sexuality but I do with people who lie that's all ... I don't see lying as a nice quality whereas being bisexual or gay doesn't bother me at all!
Yet my truth isn't good enough for you?
Who the Hell do you think you are? To think you're entitled to know what goes on in my private life? You call me deceitful and a liar? Even though I tell the truth. No wonder less confident people lie. Like everything on your profile is absolute truth.
If I met you as a bisexual man no worries at all but if I met you on your straight man profile and you told me after I would feel that you had lied to me and I wouldn't respect you then ... what is the problem with that? It's not you personally, it would be the same with anyone who lied to me! I take blocking me as your answer and no worries "Because you would reject me, even though I was honest when it really mattered. That's very petty to me. Yeah I've blocked you, big deal, I thought that would have been obvious it was going to happen, very adult of you to bring it up in the forum. | |||
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"Doesn't give you the right to call us all promiscuous, unsafe, non-macho, disease ridden liars." This. | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either
Then I think you know where you can stick that view. I won't bother telling you what I think of you. You're not worth getting banned over.
Needless to say I'll avoid you as best as I'm able from now on.
I have no problems with anyone's sexuality but I do with people who lie that's all ... I don't see lying as a nice quality whereas being bisexual or gay doesn't bother me at all!
Yet my truth isn't good enough for you?
Who the Hell do you think you are? To think you're entitled to know what goes on in my private life? You call me deceitful and a liar? Even though I tell the truth. No wonder less confident people lie. Like everything on your profile is absolute truth.
If I met you as a bisexual man no worries at all but if I met you on your straight man profile and you told me after I would feel that you had lied to me and I wouldn't respect you then ... what is the problem with that? It's not you personally, it would be the same with anyone who lied to me! I take blocking me as your answer and no worries
Because you would reject me, even though I was honest when it really mattered. That's very petty to me.
Yeah I've blocked you, big deal, I thought that would have been obvious it was going to happen, very adult of you to bring it up in the forum."To me it's not petty, just I prefer honest people in my life that's all. I don't have to agree with people but I do respect honesty. | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either
Then I think you know where you can stick that view. I won't bother telling you what I think of you. You're not worth getting banned over.
Needless to say I'll avoid you as best as I'm able from now on.
I have no problems with anyone's sexuality but I do with people who lie that's all ... I don't see lying as a nice quality whereas being bisexual or gay doesn't bother me at all!
Yet my truth isn't good enough for you?
Who the Hell do you think you are? To think you're entitled to know what goes on in my private life? You call me deceitful and a liar? Even though I tell the truth. No wonder less confident people lie. Like everything on your profile is absolute truth.
If I met you as a bisexual man no worries at all but if I met you on your straight man profile and you told me after I would feel that you had lied to me and I wouldn't respect you then ... what is the problem with that? It's not you personally, it would be the same with anyone who lied to me! I take blocking me as your answer and no worries
Because you would reject me, even though I was honest when it really mattered. That's very petty to me.
Yeah I've blocked you, big deal, I thought that would have been obvious it was going to happen, very adult of you to bring it up in the forum.
To me it's not petty, just I prefer honest people in my life that's all. I don't have to agree with people but I do respect honesty. "As do I. Which is why I'm honest. We've obviously got different interpretations of honesty. You're basically calling me a liar, because I wait to tell the truth. Not tell you straight off the bat. Do you want my finances on my profile? My job? My chest size? My penis girth? By withholding these am I also a liar in your book? Don't feign shock and innocence when you call an honest man a liar and he erupts on you. | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either
Then I think you know where you can stick that view. I won't bother telling you what I think of you. You're not worth getting banned over.
Needless to say I'll avoid you as best as I'm able from now on.
I have no problems with anyone's sexuality but I do with people who lie that's all ... I don't see lying as a nice quality whereas being bisexual or gay doesn't bother me at all!
Yet my truth isn't good enough for you?
Who the Hell do you think you are? To think you're entitled to know what goes on in my private life? You call me deceitful and a liar? Even though I tell the truth. No wonder less confident people lie. Like everything on your profile is absolute truth.
If I met you as a bisexual man no worries at all but if I met you on your straight man profile and you told me after I would feel that you had lied to me and I wouldn't respect you then ... what is the problem with that? It's not you personally, it would be the same with anyone who lied to me! I take blocking me as your answer and no worries
Because you would reject me, even though I was honest when it really mattered. That's very petty to me.
Yeah I've blocked you, big deal, I thought that would have been obvious it was going to happen, very adult of you to bring it up in the forum.
To me it's not petty, just I prefer honest people in my life that's all. I don't have to agree with people but I do respect honesty.
As do I. Which is why I'm honest. We've obviously got different interpretations of honesty. You're basically calling me a liar, because I wait to tell the truth. Not tell you straight off the bat.
Do you want my finances on my profile? My job? My chest size? My penis girth? By withholding these am I also a liar in your book?
Don't feign shock and innocence when you call an honest man a liar and he erupts on you.
"If your profile said straight and you told me at a later date that you are in fact bisexual then yes you have lied to me ... please don't make things out to be what they are not. To me it's as simple as that, nothing else needs adding or embellishing as I am not talking about anything else other than the fact that to say one thing on your profile when you clearly know it to not be true would be lying to me. | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either
Then I think you know where you can stick that view. I won't bother telling you what I think of you. You're not worth getting banned over.
Needless to say I'll avoid you as best as I'm able from now on.
Babe, almost immediately you told me of your two profiles & was grateful for your upmost honesty.
It gets so fkn tiresome, continuously battling to feel understood.
You also learn, not everyone wants to understand so why the need to fkn explain who we are at all!
I get that now x
If we love the choices we decided for ourselves & ain't hurting another....you got my backing and respect all day long xx
I'm not battling for myself. I'm very comfortable with who and what I am.
I'm battling for the Bi men who are scared to admit their sexuality or struggling to come to terms with it.
I'm also battling for the vast spectrum of trans people also struggling to come to terms with themselves.
Battling against people who can't possibly empathise with why we may choose to lie in order to protect ourselves.
Battling against prejudice and homophobia.
Battling against every stupid Cunt who thinks that because we're no, we'll sleep with anyone and anything. That we don't practice safe sex. That we don't get ourselves tested. That we don't care about people we meet. That we're not manly or masculine enough anymore, simply because we happen to be born bisexual.
I couldn't give one toss what anyone on this site thinks of me. I'm comfy as fuck in my own skin.
Unfortunately there's a lot of men who are destroying themselves, destroying their marriages, destroying others lives... because this is the vast majority of women tend to view us.
If women on Fab can't get it into their thick skulls that we may not be any of those nasty little insults. Then what hope do we have in the Real World.
End of the day, you've no right to know anyone's sexuality till they choose to tell you. To think otherwise just makes you arrogant and up your own arse.
If on the other hand you have personal experience with someone who does match those more negative stereotypes.. then fair play, I'll forgive the ignorance in that instance.
Doesn't give you the right to call us all promiscuous, unsafe, non-macho, disease ridden liars."Oh darling, I love you for you & do fight for all of us to have the freedom, just to BE. No lies, no hidden agendas. Not so many people can handle the bare raw truth, the way in which I ache to witness more of. I've experienced so much pain & suffering. One point thinking this isn't gonna get any better, ever. I had to switch it, had to get rid of every negative. Every single bit. That, turning it all positive cliché. Worked my tiny fkn mind off, slowly changing, damn hard working it all into a positive, brighter, whole me. Hope it's ok saying, that bit about myself. I'm trying to really say ANY negative is not important, any and all shouldn't be near your beautiful heart & mind. Education is key for the small-minded. Love beats Hate in every instance, 100%, I can prove that to you, (but would take time explaining hehe) Hmmm, my complete, shitey ramble was to say, fuck any breathe of negative in life. It's a form of hate to me, almost always unnecessary. I've no time for it. Love is a superpower Yet most people just won't believe how simply it defeats ANY negative xxx | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either
Then I think you know where you can stick that view. I won't bother telling you what I think of you. You're not worth getting banned over.
Needless to say I'll avoid you as best as I'm able from now on.
I have no problems with anyone's sexuality but I do with people who lie that's all ... I don't see lying as a nice quality whereas being bisexual or gay doesn't bother me at all!
Yet my truth isn't good enough for you?
Who the Hell do you think you are? To think you're entitled to know what goes on in my private life? You call me deceitful and a liar? Even though I tell the truth. No wonder less confident people lie. Like everything on your profile is absolute truth.
If I met you as a bisexual man no worries at all but if I met you on your straight man profile and you told me after I would feel that you had lied to me and I wouldn't respect you then ... what is the problem with that? It's not you personally, it would be the same with anyone who lied to me! I take blocking me as your answer and no worries
Because you would reject me, even though I was honest when it really mattered. That's very petty to me.
Yeah I've blocked you, big deal, I thought that would have been obvious it was going to happen, very adult of you to bring it up in the forum.
To me it's not petty, just I prefer honest people in my life that's all. I don't have to agree with people but I do respect honesty.
As do I. Which is why I'm honest. We've obviously got different interpretations of honesty. You're basically calling me a liar, because I wait to tell the truth. Not tell you straight off the bat.
Do you want my finances on my profile? My job? My chest size? My penis girth? By withholding these am I also a liar in your book?
Don't feign shock and innocence when you call an honest man a liar and he erupts on you.
If your profile said straight and you told me at a later date that you are in fact bisexual then yes you have lied to me ... please don't make things out to be what they are not. To me it's as simple as that, nothing else needs adding or embellishing as I am not talking about anything else other than the fact that to say one thing on your profile when you clearly know it to not be true would be lying to me."completly agree lying to get my attention and they would soon be kicked out the door | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either
Then I think you know where you can stick that view. I won't bother telling you what I think of you. You're not worth getting banned over.
Needless to say I'll avoid you as best as I'm able from now on.
I have no problems with anyone's sexuality but I do with people who lie that's all ... I don't see lying as a nice quality whereas being bisexual or gay doesn't bother me at all!
Yet my truth isn't good enough for you?
Who the Hell do you think you are? To think you're entitled to know what goes on in my private life? You call me deceitful and a liar? Even though I tell the truth. No wonder less confident people lie. Like everything on your profile is absolute truth.
If I met you as a bisexual man no worries at all but if I met you on your straight man profile and you told me after I would feel that you had lied to me and I wouldn't respect you then ... what is the problem with that? It's not you personally, it would be the same with anyone who lied to me! I take blocking me as your answer and no worries
Because you would reject me, even though I was honest when it really mattered. That's very petty to me.
Yeah I've blocked you, big deal, I thought that would have been obvious it was going to happen, very adult of you to bring it up in the forum.
To me it's not petty, just I prefer honest people in my life that's all. I don't have to agree with people but I do respect honesty.
As do I. Which is why I'm honest. We've obviously got different interpretations of honesty. You're basically calling me a liar, because I wait to tell the truth. Not tell you straight off the bat.
Do you want my finances on my profile? My job? My chest size? My penis girth? By withholding these am I also a liar in your book?
Don't feign shock and innocence when you call an honest man a liar and he erupts on you.
If your profile said straight and you told me at a later date that you are in fact bisexual then yes you have lied to me ... please don't make things out to be what they are not. To me it's as simple as that, nothing else needs adding or embellishing as I am not talking about anything else other than the fact that to say one thing on your profile when you clearly know it to not be true would be lying to me.completly agree lying to get my attention and they would soon be kicked out the door"Lying to get your attention *Cough Bullshit!* In actual fact it's to find out of you're worth opening up to. There are a lot of nasty tramps on here I wouldn't give the time of day to. Why tell them? What right do they have to my personal information? It's not only women who make people jump through hoops you know. As if I need to lie to get attention | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either
Then I think you know where you can stick that view. I won't bother telling you what I think of you. You're not worth getting banned over.
Needless to say I'll avoid you as best as I'm able from now on.
I have no problems with anyone's sexuality but I do with people who lie that's all ... I don't see lying as a nice quality whereas being bisexual or gay doesn't bother me at all!
Yet my truth isn't good enough for you?
Who the Hell do you think you are? To think you're entitled to know what goes on in my private life? You call me deceitful and a liar? Even though I tell the truth. No wonder less confident people lie. Like everything on your profile is absolute truth.
If I met you as a bisexual man no worries at all but if I met you on your straight man profile and you told me after I would feel that you had lied to me and I wouldn't respect you then ... what is the problem with that? It's not you personally, it would be the same with anyone who lied to me! I take blocking me as your answer and no worries
Because you would reject me, even though I was honest when it really mattered. That's very petty to me.
Yeah I've blocked you, big deal, I thought that would have been obvious it was going to happen, very adult of you to bring it up in the forum.
To me it's not petty, just I prefer honest people in my life that's all. I don't have to agree with people but I do respect honesty.
As do I. Which is why I'm honest. We've obviously got different interpretations of honesty. You're basically calling me a liar, because I wait to tell the truth. Not tell you straight off the bat.
Do you want my finances on my profile? My job? My chest size? My penis girth? By withholding these am I also a liar in your book?
Don't feign shock and innocence when you call an honest man a liar and he erupts on you.
If your profile said straight and you told me at a later date that you are in fact bisexual then yes you have lied to me ... please don't make things out to be what they are not. To me it's as simple as that, nothing else needs adding or embellishing as I am not talking about anything else other than the fact that to say one thing on your profile when you clearly know it to not be true would be lying to me.completly agree lying to get my attention and they would soon be kicked out the door
Lying to get your attention *Cough Bullshit!* In actual fact it's to find out of you're worth opening up to. There are a lot of nasty tramps on here I wouldn't give the time of day to. Why tell them? What right do they have to my personal information?
It's not only women who make people jump through hoops you know.
As if I need to lie to get attention "you said it was on a dating site that you lied to a woman until after you had had sex with her | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either
Then I think you know where you can stick that view. I won't bother telling you what I think of you. You're not worth getting banned over.
Needless to say I'll avoid you as best as I'm able from now on.
I have no problems with anyone's sexuality but I do with people who lie that's all ... I don't see lying as a nice quality whereas being bisexual or gay doesn't bother me at all!
Yet my truth isn't good enough for you?
Who the Hell do you think you are? To think you're entitled to know what goes on in my private life? You call me deceitful and a liar? Even though I tell the truth. No wonder less confident people lie. Like everything on your profile is absolute truth.
If I met you as a bisexual man no worries at all but if I met you on your straight man profile and you told me after I would feel that you had lied to me and I wouldn't respect you then ... what is the problem with that? It's not you personally, it would be the same with anyone who lied to me! I take blocking me as your answer and no worries
Because you would reject me, even though I was honest when it really mattered. That's very petty to me.
Yeah I've blocked you, big deal, I thought that would have been obvious it was going to happen, very adult of you to bring it up in the forum.
To me it's not petty, just I prefer honest people in my life that's all. I don't have to agree with people but I do respect honesty.
As do I. Which is why I'm honest. We've obviously got different interpretations of honesty. You're basically calling me a liar, because I wait to tell the truth. Not tell you straight off the bat.
Do you want my finances on my profile? My job? My chest size? My penis girth? By withholding these am I also a liar in your book?
Don't feign shock and innocence when you call an honest man a liar and he erupts on you.
If your profile said straight and you told me at a later date that you are in fact bisexual then yes you have lied to me ... please don't make things out to be what they are not. To me it's as simple as that, nothing else needs adding or embellishing as I am not talking about anything else other than the fact that to say one thing on your profile when you clearly know it to not be true would be lying to me.completly agree lying to get my attention and they would soon be kicked out the door
Lying to get your attention *Cough Bullshit!* In actual fact it's to find out of you're worth opening up to. There are a lot of nasty tramps on here I wouldn't give the time of day to. Why tell them? What right do they have to my personal information?
It's not only women who make people jump through hoops you know.
As if I need to lie to get attention you said it was on a dating site that you lied to a woman until after you had had sex with her"I also said it was the second woman I'd ever told didn't I? Don't twist my words. It's a journey.. we're not all born with the gift of courage straight out the womb. It takes time to come to terms with who you are. That was some time ago. I'm a different person now, because I've learnt through experience that it does pay to be honest. I notice how you just ignored everything else I just said. Yet chose something completely different go attempt to make me look like hypocrite. Too bad you weren't paying attention. | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
Ok I agree with a lot of that but have to ask why not just have bi on both as it wouldn't be unreasonable for someone to call you a time waster if you only tell them at a late date.
Because there are a lot of women who would meet me, date me and fuck me if they thought I were 100% straight. Most of my waking life, that's exactly how I feel, my bisexuality has limits and is just something I view more as a Fetish rather than my sexuality, regardless of how others see it. Rationally speaking, I have to admit I am fully bisexual though, even though I can't look at a man in a romantic light.
The second woman I admitted my bisexuality too admitted she'd not have looked at me twice as she'd have found it very offputting.
We'd already had sex when I came clean. I cared for her a lot and felt very guilty about lying, so I was honest.
I couldn't look at her when I did because I felt super ashamed of myself for lying again and ashamed of who I was.
Two weeks later she told me she loved me.
Now I enjoy challenging that preconception. It also buys me time for a woman to get to know I'm "all that is man" before they dismiss me unfairly.
I don't feel as if any of us on here or elsewhere have an automatic right to know our true sexuality, till they've earnt the right to be trusted with it.
It's 2019 but there's still a lot of prejudice and homophobia around unfortunately.
"Call me daft or ignorant , but are you actually saying you have another profile that says you are straight ? And that using that one you get to know women , then tell them you are actually bi because by then you think they will know you better . And although they wouldn’t have spoken to you if they knew you were bi , you’ve tricked them into getting to know you and then you drop it on them ? | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either
Then I think you know where you can stick that view. I won't bother telling you what I think of you. You're not worth getting banned over.
Needless to say I'll avoid you as best as I'm able from now on.
Babe, almost immediately you told me of your two profiles & was grateful for your upmost honesty.
It gets so fkn tiresome, continuously battling to feel understood.
You also learn, not everyone wants to understand so why the need to fkn explain who we are at all!
I get that now x
If we love the choices we decided for ourselves & ain't hurting another....you got my backing and respect all day long xx
I'm not battling for myself. I'm very comfortable with who and what I am.
I'm battling for the Bi men who are scared to admit their sexuality or struggling to come to terms with it.
I'm also battling for the vast spectrum of trans people also struggling to come to terms with themselves.
Battling against people who can't possibly empathise with why we may choose to lie in order to protect ourselves.
Battling against prejudice and homophobia.
Battling against every stupid Cunt who thinks that because we're no, we'll sleep with anyone and anything. That we don't practice safe sex. That we don't get ourselves tested. That we don't care about people we meet. That we're not manly or masculine enough anymore, simply because we happen to be born bisexual.
I couldn't give one toss what anyone on this site thinks of me. I'm comfy as fuck in my own skin.
Unfortunately there's a lot of men who are destroying themselves, destroying their marriages, destroying others lives... because this is the vast majority of women tend to view us.
If women on Fab can't get it into their thick skulls that we may not be any of those nasty little insults. Then what hope do we have in the Real World.
End of the day, you've no right to know anyone's sexuality till they choose to tell you. To think otherwise just makes you arrogant and up your own arse.
If on the other hand you have personal experience with someone who does match those more negative stereotypes.. then fair play, I'll forgive the ignorance in that instance.
Doesn't give you the right to call us all promiscuous, unsafe, non-macho, disease ridden liars.
Oh darling, I love you for you & do fight for all of us to have the freedom, just to BE.
No lies, no hidden agendas.
Not so many people can handle the bare raw truth, the way in which I ache to witness more of.
I've experienced so much pain & suffering. One point thinking this isn't gonna get any better, ever.
I had to switch it, had to get rid of every negative.
Every single bit. That, turning it all positive cliché.
Worked my tiny fkn mind off, slowly changing, damn hard working it all into a positive, brighter, whole me.
Hope it's ok saying, that bit about myself. I'm trying to really say ANY negative is not important, any and all shouldn't be near your beautiful heart & mind.
Education is key for the small-minded.
Love beats Hate in every instance, 100%, I can prove that to you, (but would take time explaining hehe)
Hmmm, my complete, shitey ramble was to say, fuck any breathe of negative in life.
It's a form of hate to me, almost always unnecessary. I've no time for it.
Love is a superpower
Yet most people just won't believe how simply it defeats ANY negative xxx"I like your outlook, but some battles need fighting or else things stay the same. I'm a fighter and a lover, I just choose my causes rather than having them dictated to me. | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either
Then I think you know where you can stick that view. I won't bother telling you what I think of you. You're not worth getting banned over.
Needless to say I'll avoid you as best as I'm able from now on.
I have no problems with anyone's sexuality but I do with people who lie that's all ... I don't see lying as a nice quality whereas being bisexual or gay doesn't bother me at all!
Yet my truth isn't good enough for you?
Who the Hell do you think you are? To think you're entitled to know what goes on in my private life? You call me deceitful and a liar? Even though I tell the truth. No wonder less confident people lie. Like everything on your profile is absolute truth.
If I met you as a bisexual man no worries at all but if I met you on your straight man profile and you told me after I would feel that you had lied to me and I wouldn't respect you then ... what is the problem with that? It's not you personally, it would be the same with anyone who lied to me! I take blocking me as your answer and no worries
Because you would reject me, even though I was honest when it really mattered. That's very petty to me.
Yeah I've blocked you, big deal, I thought that would have been obvious it was going to happen, very adult of you to bring it up in the forum.
To me it's not petty, just I prefer honest people in my life that's all. I don't have to agree with people but I do respect honesty.
As do I. Which is why I'm honest. We've obviously got different interpretations of honesty. You're basically calling me a liar, because I wait to tell the truth. Not tell you straight off the bat.
Do you want my finances on my profile? My job? My chest size? My penis girth? By withholding these am I also a liar in your book?
Don't feign shock and innocence when you call an honest man a liar and he erupts on you.
If your profile said straight and you told me at a later date that you are in fact bisexual then yes you have lied to me ... please don't make things out to be what they are not. To me it's as simple as that, nothing else needs adding or embellishing as I am not talking about anything else other than the fact that to say one thing on your profile when you clearly know it to not be true would be lying to me.completly agree lying to get my attention and they would soon be kicked out the door
Lying to get your attention *Cough Bullshit!* In actual fact it's to find out of you're worth opening up to. There are a lot of nasty tramps on here I wouldn't give the time of day to. Why tell them? What right do they have to my personal information?
It's not only women who make people jump through hoops you know.
As if I need to lie to get attention you said it was on a dating site that you lied to a woman until after you had had sex with her
I also said it was the second woman I'd ever told didn't I? Don't twist my words. It's a journey.. we're not all born with the gift of courage straight out the womb. It takes time to come to terms with who you are. That was some time ago. I'm a different person now, because I've learnt through experience that it does pay to be honest.
I notice how you just ignored everything else I just said. Yet chose something completely different go attempt to make me look like hypocrite. Too bad you weren't paying attention.
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either
Then I think you know where you can stick that view. I won't bother telling you what I think of you. You're not worth getting banned over.
Needless to say I'll avoid you as best as I'm able from now on.
I have no problems with anyone's sexuality but I do with people who lie that's all ... I don't see lying as a nice quality whereas being bisexual or gay doesn't bother me at all!
Yet my truth isn't good enough for you?
Who the Hell do you think you are? To think you're entitled to know what goes on in my private life? You call me deceitful and a liar? Even though I tell the truth. No wonder less confident people lie. Like everything on your profile is absolute truth.
If I met you as a bisexual man no worries at all but if I met you on your straight man profile and you told me after I would feel that you had lied to me and I wouldn't respect you then ... what is the problem with that? It's not you personally, it would be the same with anyone who lied to me! I take blocking me as your answer and no worries
Because you would reject me, even though I was honest when it really mattered. That's very petty to me.
Yeah I've blocked you, big deal, I thought that would have been obvious it was going to happen, very adult of you to bring it up in the forum.
To me it's not petty, just I prefer honest people in my life that's all. I don't have to agree with people but I do respect honesty.
As do I. Which is why I'm honest. We've obviously got different interpretations of honesty. You're basically calling me a liar, because I wait to tell the truth. Not tell you straight off the bat.
Do you want my finances on my profile? My job? My chest size? My penis girth? By withholding these am I also a liar in your book?
Don't feign shock and innocence when you call an honest man a liar and he erupts on you.
If your profile said straight and you told me at a later date that you are in fact bisexual then yes you have lied to me ... please don't make things out to be what they are not. To me it's as simple as that, nothing else needs adding or embellishing as I am not talking about anything else other than the fact that to say one thing on your profile when you clearly know it to not be true would be lying to me.completly agree lying to get my attention and they would soon be kicked out the door"Agreed. Upfront & honest is best. I’m currently speaking to a lovely bisexual male on here who I’ll be meeting soon, if he had two profiles, with a different sexuality on each of them. He would’ve been blocked. I also agree that people should be honest with themselves in regards to sexuality, of course if you don’t believe in labels that is fine. However on a site like this there are labels, and a man who meets TV/TS women, isn’t straight. | |||
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"What annoys me about the straight men fucking us gurls is the fact that so many times they ask us not to verify them, when asked why I'm always told the same thing time and time again, because couples won't meet them if they have sex with tgirls, yes it's their choice but it happens way too often and used to make me feel like a dirty shameful secret but really It's not my problem! This is why it’s easier for guys to have two profiles. Couple of my male friends do this. They have a great time. One profile for straight meets one for their bi meets. For those tapping on about guys being honest and lying on profile preferences, there is a difference between not saying something upfront about your preference to flat out lying if directly asked . Ask yourself when you play in a club / meets not off here etc do you ask the person if they like cock / guys / tv/ts
Thought not . And if you do they will just say noooo super straight play ensues regardless
I have two profiles, my male one says straight, but I come clean before a meet happens.
I don't think it's fair to not mention it, I find it deceptive, regardless if I'm asked directly or not. I think that's the issue most people have a problem with. Lies.
The only reason my male profile says straight, is because it buys me some time to get to know them, before I do come clean. To date it's 100% effective and I've not been rejected on any sex site by a woman who bothered to get to know me.
For this I would consider you to not be a truthful trustworthy person ... sorry but that would mean that I wouldn't want to meet you and if I did because you had lied then you would be another waster. Not worth knowing in any part of my life and nothing to do with your sexuality either
Then I think you know where you can stick that view. I won't bother telling you what I think of you. You're not worth getting banned over.
Needless to say I'll avoid you as best as I'm able from now on.
I have no problems with anyone's sexuality but I do with people who lie that's all ... I don't see lying as a nice quality whereas being bisexual or gay doesn't bother me at all!
Yet my truth isn't good enough for you?
Who the Hell do you think you are? To think you're entitled to know what goes on in my private life? You call me deceitful and a liar? Even though I tell the truth. No wonder less confident people lie. Like everything on your profile is absolute truth.
If I met you as a bisexual man no worries at all but if I met you on your straight man profile and you told me after I would feel that you had lied to me and I wouldn't respect you then ... what is the problem with that? It's not you personally, it would be the same with anyone who lied to me! I take blocking me as your answer and no worries
Because you would reject me, even though I was honest when it really mattered. That's very petty to me.
Yeah I've blocked you, big deal, I thought that would have been obvious it was going to happen, very adult of you to bring it up in the forum.
To me it's not petty, just I prefer honest people in my life that's all. I don't have to agree with people but I do respect honesty.
As do I. Which is why I'm honest. We've obviously got different interpretations of honesty. You're basically calling me a liar, because I wait to tell the truth. Not tell you straight off the bat.
Do you want my finances on my profile? My job? My chest size? My penis girth? By withholding these am I also a liar in your book?
Don't feign shock and innocence when you call an honest man a liar and he erupts on you.
If your profile said straight and you told me at a later date that you are in fact bisexual then yes you have lied to me ... please don't make things out to be what they are not. To me it's as simple as that, nothing else needs adding or embellishing as I am not talking about anything else other than the fact that to say one thing on your profile when you clearly know it to not be true would be lying to me.completly agree lying to get my attention and they would soon be kicked out the door
Lying to get your attention *Cough Bullshit!* In actual fact it's to find out of you're worth opening up to. There are a lot of nasty tramps on here I wouldn't give the time of day to. Why tell them? What right do they have to my personal information?
It's not only women who make people jump through hoops you know.
As if I need to lie to get attention you said it was on a dating site that you lied to a woman until after you had had sex with her
I also said it was the second woman I'd ever told didn't I? Don't twist my words. It's a journey.. we're not all born with the gift of courage straight out the womb. It takes time to come to terms with who you are. That was some time ago. I'm a different person now, because I've learnt through experience that it does pay to be honest.
I notice how you just ignored everything else I just said. Yet chose something completely different go attempt to make me look like hypocrite. Too bad you weren't paying attention.
what i dont understand is why you would be interested in a woman who would of avoided you if she knew you where bi from the start."From experience, ive found once women have had a chance to get to know me personally. They tend to no longer care about my sexuality anymore. It stops becoming an issue, because they already like me. I don't hate people who are a bit homophobic, or because they are inexperienced, or hold bizarre prejudices and preferences. I understand that many of them.are grounded in some fact. There are a lot of bi men who are silly cunts when it comes to their own saftey. I know because they've contacted me. It doesn't mean I deserve to be treated a certain way because of their stupidity and carelessness. That does hurt and does upset. It's hard enough trying to find love in this world, I'm not going to cut my node off despite my face. Not when pretty much every woman I've come clean with at some oint prior to meeting face to face has said I've changed their opinion on bisexual men. | |||
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"These threads fill up just as quick as the BBW threads. Loads of people justifying themselves
I'm a BBW but I don't care how people choose to 'label ' me
I'm also Bi and I own it- I don't fuck women in men's clothes and pretend they're men - then lie about it!
I couldn't care less who anyone else is fucking - just stop lying!
Own who you are - it's 2019 no one cares if you're gay or Bi or any other shades of grey.
If women won't sleep with you because you're Bi- that's their choice.
Surely you only want to meet people that want to meet you?
I doubt that most 'straight ' men on here are straight at all.
I don't care - but some people do - let them make an informed decision about who they're fucking.
Sometimes I feel like the only honest men on here are the TV / TS - at least they have the courage to be who they are.
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"Clearly I was right in my summation , and you chose not to say so . Perhaps because it was so obvious . During our time swinging , we met straight men , bi men , TVs , ts , tg , straight women and bi women . We even met gender fluid t girls with their cis female partners ! What I will say is this . We met them all ( and I’m talking about well over a thousand people ) on the premise that they were who and what they described themselves as . Maybe they were , maybe they weren’t , I don’t know . But you are quite brazenly admitting you’re not being honest and you are even going to great lengths to justify your dishonesty . To me that is wrong , and your justification of it is simply ludicrous . Do you really think it’s acceptable to say that you have a profile stating you are straight in order to hoodwink women into talking to you , and then telling them later that you’re bi ? Really ? "Why tell them? I don't get that at all. | |||
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"Clearly I was right in my summation , and you chose not to say so . Perhaps because it was so obvious . During our time swinging , we met straight men , bi men , TVs , ts , tg , straight women and bi women . We even met gender fluid t girls with their cis female partners ! What I will say is this . We met them all ( and I’m talking about well over a thousand people ) on the premise that they were who and what they described themselves as . Maybe they were , maybe they weren’t , I don’t know . But you are quite brazenly admitting you’re not being honest and you are even going to great lengths to justify your dishonesty . To me that is wrong , and your justification of it is simply ludicrous . Do you really think it’s acceptable to say that you have a profile stating you are straight in order to hoodwink women into talking to you , and then telling them later that you’re bi ? Really ?
Why tell them? I don't get that at all."Why lie, whether it's to yourself or others? I don't get that! | |||
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"Clearly I was right in my summation , and you chose not to say so . Perhaps because it was so obvious . During our time swinging , we met straight men , bi men , TVs , ts , tg , straight women and bi women . We even met gender fluid t girls with their cis female partners ! What I will say is this . We met them all ( and I’m talking about well over a thousand people ) on the premise that they were who and what they described themselves as . Maybe they were , maybe they weren’t , I don’t know . But you are quite brazenly admitting you’re not being honest and you are even going to great lengths to justify your dishonesty . To me that is wrong , and your justification of it is simply ludicrous . Do you really think it’s acceptable to say that you have a profile stating you are straight in order to hoodwink women into talking to you , and then telling them later that you’re bi ? Really ? "I think it's more acceptable than a great many other crimes on here that most of you find perfectly acceptable. Blatant racism and homophobia for starters. Sexual harassment, mind control, Bullying, Serious Lies, Sexual Health to continue... My lie is based around trying to hurt, harass, cause pain, waste someone's time, create conflict.. I genuinely want you as my friend. I don't really care whether you fancy me or not. If you're a nice person, I'd like the chance to get to know you and maybe become your friend one day. I approach.. "Fab" As a lifestyle, unlike a lot of you. I will go to any bar in any city and enjoy hanging out with swingers who don't give a damn what anyone else thinks of their sexuality.. in public or private. I'm also looking for someone I RRRRrrreaaallly fancy. Someone I can swing WITH. But it seems I need to kiss a few salamanders, newts and.. Toads.. to find my Dragon. I'm Donkey from Shrek. I don't care if you don't like my one tiny white lie that I ever tell. So in answer to your question.. No, it doesn't bother me at all  | |||
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"OK so I'm a straight guy but I meet tgirls because i find the sex to be really good, it's hot and they give insane blowjobs. I'm not here to debate whether I'm straight or bi either BTW but I am strictly into women. I know alot of straight men meet tgirls, was wondering what there reasons were. Feel free to share and discuss. " I’d love to meet a tgirl | |||
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"Clearly I was right in my summation , and you chose not to say so . Perhaps because it was so obvious . During our time swinging , we met straight men , bi men , TVs , ts , tg , straight women and bi women . We even met gender fluid t girls with their cis female partners ! What I will say is this . We met them all ( and I’m talking about well over a thousand people ) on the premise that they were who and what they described themselves as . Maybe they were , maybe they weren’t , I don’t know . But you are quite brazenly admitting you’re not being honest and you are even going to great lengths to justify your dishonesty . To me that is wrong , and your justification of it is simply ludicrous . Do you really think it’s acceptable to say that you have a profile stating you are straight in order to hoodwink women into talking to you , and then telling them later that you’re bi ? Really ?
I think it's more acceptable than a great many other crimes on here that most of you find perfectly acceptable. Blatant racism and homophobia for starters. Sexual harassment, mind control, Bullying, Serious Lies, Sexual Health to continue...
My lie is based around trying to hurt, harass, cause pain, waste someone's time, create conflict.. I genuinely want you as my friend. I don't really care whether you fancy me or not. If you're a nice person, I'd like the chance to get to know you and maybe become your friend one day.
I approach.. "Fab" As a lifestyle, unlike a lot of you. I will go to any bar in any city and enjoy hanging out with swingers who don't give a damn what anyone else thinks of their sexuality.. in public or private.
I'm also looking for someone I RRRRrrreaaallly fancy. Someone I can swing WITH. But it seems I need to kiss a few salamanders, newts and.. Toads.. to find my Dragon.
I'm Donkey from Shrek. I don't care if you don't like my one tiny white lie that I ever tell.
So in answer to your question..
No, it doesn't bother me at all
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"Clearly I was right in my summation , and you chose not to say so . Perhaps because it was so obvious . During our time swinging , we met straight men , bi men , TVs , ts , tg , straight women and bi women . We even met gender fluid t girls with their cis female partners ! What I will say is this . We met them all ( and I’m talking about well over a thousand people ) on the premise that they were who and what they described themselves as . Maybe they were , maybe they weren’t , I don’t know . But you are quite brazenly admitting you’re not being honest and you are even going to great lengths to justify your dishonesty . To me that is wrong , and your justification of it is simply ludicrous . Do you really think it’s acceptable to say that you have a profile stating you are straight in order to hoodwink women into talking to you , and then telling them later that you’re bi ? Really ?
Why tell them? I don't get that at all.
Why lie, whether it's to yourself or others? I don't get that! "The name of the game here is to fuck. Whether that's pretending you're straight, pretending you fancy tv's or bbw's, for some just getting a fuck is all the motivation they need. And so what?  | |||
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"Clearly I was right in my summation , and you chose not to say so . Perhaps because it was so obvious . During our time swinging , we met straight men , bi men , TVs , ts , tg , straight women and bi women . We even met gender fluid t girls with their cis female partners ! What I will say is this . We met them all ( and I’m talking about well over a thousand people ) on the premise that they were who and what they described themselves as . Maybe they were , maybe they weren’t , I don’t know . But you are quite brazenly admitting you’re not being honest and you are even going to great lengths to justify your dishonesty . To me that is wrong , and your justification of it is simply ludicrous . Do you really think it’s acceptable to say that you have a profile stating you are straight in order to hoodwink women into talking to you , and then telling them later that you’re bi ? Really ?
Why tell them? I don't get that at all.
Why lie, whether it's to yourself or others? I don't get that!
The name of the game here is to fuck. Whether that's pretending you're straight, pretending you fancy tv's or bbw's, for some just getting a fuck is all the motivation they need. And so what? "That's not for me sorry ... each to their own! We're all here to enjoy ourselves | |||
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"Clearly I was right in my summation , and you chose not to say so . Perhaps because it was so obvious . During our time swinging , we met straight men , bi men , TVs , ts , tg , straight women and bi women . We even met gender fluid t girls with their cis female partners ! What I will say is this . We met them all ( and I’m talking about well over a thousand people ) on the premise that they were who and what they described themselves as . Maybe they were , maybe they weren’t , I don’t know . But you are quite brazenly admitting you’re not being honest and you are even going to great lengths to justify your dishonesty . To me that is wrong , and your justification of it is simply ludicrous . Do you really think it’s acceptable to say that you have a profile stating you are straight in order to hoodwink women into talking to you , and then telling them later that you’re bi ? Really ?
I think it's more acceptable than a great many other crimes on here that most of you find perfectly acceptable. Blatant racism and homophobia for starters. Sexual harassment, mind control, Bullying, Serious Lies, Sexual Health to continue...
My lie is based around trying to hurt, harass, cause pain, waste someone's time, create conflict.. I genuinely want you as my friend. I don't really care whether you fancy me or not. If you're a nice person, I'd like the chance to get to know you and maybe become your friend one day.
I approach.. "Fab" As a lifestyle, unlike a lot of you. I will go to any bar in any city and enjoy hanging out with swingers who don't give a damn what anyone else thinks of their sexuality.. in public or private.
I'm also looking for someone I RRRRrrreaaallly fancy. Someone I can swing WITH. But it seems I need to kiss a few salamanders, newts and.. Toads.. to find my Dragon.
I'm Donkey from Shrek. I don't care if you don't like my one tiny white lie that I ever tell.
So in answer to your question..
No, it doesn't bother me at all
think youve gone of on a tangent and who has said any of those things are acceptable and who are the you are you reffering to who dont treat it as a lifestyle and can i ask how long youve been in the lifestyle"Exactly this
Who are the people who you speak if that don’t treat this as a lifestyle . The people who deal out serious lies , the blatant racism , homophobia , sexual health , sexual harassment etc.... its a long way down from that pulpit you speak from !
One thing I’ll always remember were the wise words my father said when I left school . He said be careful what you say about people on the way up because you may end up meeting them again on the way down .
Although you may not be meeting any of us on the forum , you speak about how you would happily go into any bar in any city and hang around with us swingers who don’t give a damn about sexuality . Suggesting that those who do are wrong ! Newsflash ... it’s a preference , just like any other preference .
I’m guessing you didn’t mean that your lie is is based around trying to hurt etc......
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"think youve gone of on a tangent and who has said any of those things are acceptable and who are the you are you reffering to who dont treat it as a lifestyle and can i ask how long youve been in the lifestyle" I'm not sure what you're asking me. With no punctuation it's really hard to understand. Can't catch my breath! | |||
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"think youve gone of on a tangent and who has said any of those things are acceptable and who are the you are you reffering to who dont treat it as a lifestyle and can i ask how long youve been in the lifestyle I'm not sure what you're asking me. With no punctuation it's really hard to understand. Can't catch my breath!" _loswingers has explained it better | |||
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"hang on.. I've noticed a typo in what I've written. One word "Is" should be "isnt".. Something about my lie IS based around conflict blah blah blah.. That definately should be isn't. I don't know how you interpret the rest as me hating swingers when I'm trying to say a lot of July friends and me are swingers.. not just fuckers.. we socialise and are real friends and open. it is my life.. bar my children and family. Work and friends." Well as I said , I guessed that ! | |||
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"think youve gone of on a tangent and who has said any of those things are acceptable and who are the you are you reffering to who dont treat it as a lifestyle and can i ask how long youve been in the lifestyle I'm not sure what you're asking me. With no punctuation it's really hard to understand. Can't catch my breath!_loswingers has explained it better" So I see. And noticed my glaring typo before I did. I want to be friends with people like you, if this is also your lifestyle. Providing our persolaties gelled. That's all I meant by most of my "Hot air". I don't see how that translates as a low opinion of swingers, especially when I consider myself one. Those negative things happen all the time in this lifestyle and you know it. I'm not saying you condone it, I'm saying broadly speaking it's semi socially acceptable to accept some things as "Preference" When based on an 'ism. You'd be blind or guilty not to see it. There are many people on Fab who do not treat fabswingers as a lifestyle. Some date only. Some don't meet. Some cheat. Some Social. Some only sexual. Some blah blah I was drawing a wavy, uncertain line between those differing lifestyles and approaches and the more intimate, personal, social swingers who do socialise outside of sex in some way or another. Putting myself in that camp. Yes I've gone on a tangent, but we all keep switching goalposts. I'm sorry for my part and if you think we should stop out of politeness, I will to. I may need to re-read some posts and my own if we're going to carry on.. arguing I've been watching SAS programme at same time and there may be confusion somewhere. So bear with please. | |||
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"think youve gone of on a tangent and who has said any of those things are acceptable and who are the you are you reffering to who dont treat it as a lifestyle and can i ask how long youve been in the lifestyle I'm not sure what you're asking me. With no punctuation it's really hard to understand. Can't catch my breath!_loswingers has explained it better So I see. And noticed my glaring typo before I did. I want to be friends with people like you, if this is also your lifestyle. Providing our persolaties gelled. That's all I meant by most of my "Hot air". I don't see how that translates as a low opinion of swingers, especially when I consider myself one. Those negative things happen all the time in this lifestyle and you know it. I'm not saying you condone it, I'm saying broadly speaking it's semi socially acceptable to accept some things as "Preference" When based on an 'ism. You'd be blind or guilty not to see it. There are many people on Fab who do not treat fabswingers as a lifestyle. Some date only. Some don't meet. Some cheat. Some Social. Some only sexual. Some blah blah I was drawing a wavy, uncertain line between those differing lifestyles and approaches and the more intimate, personal, social swingers who do socialise outside of sex in some way or another. Putting myself in that camp. Yes I've gone on a tangent, but we all keep switching goalposts. I'm sorry for my part and if you think we should stop out of politeness, I will to. I may need to re-read some posts and my own if we're going to carry on.. arguing I've been watching SAS programme at same time and there may be confusion somewhere. So bear with please."i just cant understand why people have to lie. My husband was bi he told me about a week after we met but id already sensed it. It was great we had a regular guy in our marriage to fulfil that part of him and also it satisfied me as well. Ive had lots of bi friends and my partner of 13 years is bi. I love tvs. I have been on tv c**cks for about 15 years as an admirer although im not active on there now. I used to hold tv socials. I will have sex with whoever i like whether they are bi straight male female tv or whatever. I dont care about creed or colour. But i do think we should be true to ourselves. If someone isnt attracted to me because of who i am i really dont care but im not going to hide it just to get a shag | |||
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"think youve gone of on a tangent and who has said any of those things are acceptable and who are the you are you reffering to who dont treat it as a lifestyle and can i ask how long youve been in the lifestyle I'm not sure what you're asking me. With no punctuation it's really hard to understand. Can't catch my breath!_loswingers has explained it better So I see. And noticed my glaring typo before I did. I want to be friends with people like you, if this is also your lifestyle. Providing our persolaties gelled. That's all I meant by most of my "Hot air". I don't see how that translates as a low opinion of swingers, especially when I consider myself one. Those negative things happen all the time in this lifestyle and you know it. I'm not saying you condone it, I'm saying broadly speaking it's semi socially acceptable to accept some things as "Preference" When based on an 'ism. You'd be blind or guilty not to see it. There are many people on Fab who do not treat fabswingers as a lifestyle. Some date only. Some don't meet. Some cheat. Some Social. Some only sexual. Some blah blah I was drawing a wavy, uncertain line between those differing lifestyles and approaches and the more intimate, personal, social swingers who do socialise outside of sex in some way or another. Putting myself in that camp. Yes I've gone on a tangent, but we all keep switching goalposts. I'm sorry for my part and if you think we should stop out of politeness, I will to. I may need to re-read some posts and my own if we're going to carry on.. arguing I've been watching SAS programme at same time and there may be confusion somewhere. So bear with please.i just cant understand why people have to lie. My husband was bi he told me about a week after we met but id already sensed it. It was great we had a regular guy in our marriage to fulfil that part of him and also it satisfied me as well. Ive had lots of bi friends and my partner of 13 years is bi. I love tvs. I have been on tv c**cks for about 15 years as an admirer although im not active on there now. I used to hold tv socials. I will have sex with whoever i like whether they are bi straight male female tv or whatever. I dont care about creed or colour. But i do think we should be true to ourselves. If someone isnt attracted to me because of who i am i really dont care but im not going to hide it just to get a shag"You're very open minded though and very lucky to have the life you have. In my opinion at least, based on what you've just said. Outside of this 'Debate' You seem like someone I'd love to hang out with and get to know. I'm starting to feel the same way as you on the subject. I am turned off by lies and will in time merge Cixi With my male profile. Maybe boldly use the Forum where very few 100% Boldly go. This thread alone has sped that process up. I don't like lies anymore than you do. It's a really hard thing to "Come out" People need to take it at their own pace and always will. It'll always be a painful process for many. If the view that bi/gay people are less attractive based on sexuality alone. Not whilst those stigmas and views still attach. | |||
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"think youve gone of on a tangent and who has said any of those things are acceptable and who are the you are you reffering to who dont treat it as a lifestyle and can i ask how long youve been in the lifestyle I'm not sure what you're asking me. With no punctuation it's really hard to understand. Can't catch my breath!_loswingers has explained it better So I see. And noticed my glaring typo before I did. I want to be friends with people like you, if this is also your lifestyle. Providing our persolaties gelled. That's all I meant by most of my "Hot air". I don't see how that translates as a low opinion of swingers, especially when I consider myself one. Those negative things happen all the time in this lifestyle and you know it. I'm not saying you condone it, I'm saying broadly speaking it's semi socially acceptable to accept some things as "Preference" When based on an 'ism. You'd be blind or guilty not to see it. There are many people on Fab who do not treat fabswingers as a lifestyle. Some date only. Some don't meet. Some cheat. Some Social. Some only sexual. Some blah blah I was drawing a wavy, uncertain line between those differing lifestyles and approaches and the more intimate, personal, social swingers who do socialise outside of sex in some way or another. Putting myself in that camp. Yes I've gone on a tangent, but we all keep switching goalposts. I'm sorry for my part and if you think we should stop out of politeness, I will to. I may need to re-read some posts and my own if we're going to carry on.. arguing I've been watching SAS programme at same time and there may be confusion somewhere. So bear with please.i just cant understand why people have to lie. My husband was bi he told me about a week after we met but id already sensed it. It was great we had a regular guy in our marriage to fulfil that part of him and also it satisfied me as well. Ive had lots of bi friends and my partner of 13 years is bi. I love tvs. I have been on tv c**cks for about 15 years as an admirer although im not active on there now. I used to hold tv socials. I will have sex with whoever i like whether they are bi straight male female tv or whatever. I dont care about creed or colour. But i do think we should be true to ourselves. If someone isnt attracted to me because of who i am i really dont care but im not going to hide it just to get a shag
You're very open minded though and very lucky to have the life you have. In my opinion at least, based on what you've just said. Outside of this 'Debate' You seem like someone I'd love to hang out with and get to know. I'm starting to feel the same way as you on the subject. I am turned off by lies and will in time merge Cixi With my male profile. Maybe boldly use the Forum where very few 100% Boldly go.
This thread alone has sped that process up. I don't like lies anymore than you do. It's a really hard thing to "Come out" People need to take it at their own pace and always will. It'll always be a painful process for many. If the view that bi/gay people are less attractive based on sexuality alone. Not whilst those stigmas and views still attach.
"i will say though most of what im saying is talking in the past. About 2 and 1/2 years ago i decided id more or less burnt myself out (after over 30 years) all i do now is have my partner and my group of regular gentlemen friends. I dont actively do anything else now thats why my profile is closed down. I dont regret anything ive done but i guess we all burn out eventually | |||
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"think youve gone of on a tangent and who has said any of those things are acceptable and who are the you are you reffering to who dont treat it as a lifestyle and can i ask how long youve been in the lifestyle I'm not sure what you're asking me. With no punctuation it's really hard to understand. Can't catch my breath!_loswingers has explained it better So I see. And noticed my glaring typo before I did. I want to be friends with people like you, if this is also your lifestyle. Providing our persolaties gelled. That's all I meant by most of my "Hot air". I don't see how that translates as a low opinion of swingers, especially when I consider myself one. Those negative things happen all the time in this lifestyle and you know it. I'm not saying you condone it, I'm saying broadly speaking it's semi socially acceptable to accept some things as "Preference" When based on an 'ism. You'd be blind or guilty not to see it. There are many people on Fab who do not treat fabswingers as a lifestyle. Some date only. Some don't meet. Some cheat. Some Social. Some only sexual. Some blah blah I was drawing a wavy, uncertain line between those differing lifestyles and approaches and the more intimate, personal, social swingers who do socialise outside of sex in some way or another. Putting myself in that camp. Yes I've gone on a tangent, but we all keep switching goalposts. I'm sorry for my part and if you think we should stop out of politeness, I will to. I may need to re-read some posts and my own if we're going to carry on.. arguing I've been watching SAS programme at same time and there may be confusion somewhere. So bear with please.i just cant understand why people have to lie. My husband was bi he told me about a week after we met but id already sensed it. It was great we had a regular guy in our marriage to fulfil that part of him and also it satisfied me as well. Ive had lots of bi friends and my partner of 13 years is bi. I love tvs. I have been on tv c**cks for about 15 years as an admirer although im not active on there now. I used to hold tv socials. I will have sex with whoever i like whether they are bi straight male female tv or whatever. I dont care about creed or colour. But i do think we should be true to ourselves. If someone isnt attracted to me because of who i am i really dont care but im not going to hide it just to get a shag
You're very open minded though and very lucky to have the life you have. In my opinion at least, based on what you've just said. Outside of this 'Debate' You seem like someone I'd love to hang out with and get to know. I'm starting to feel the same way as you on the subject. I am turned off by lies and will in time merge Cixi With my male profile. Maybe boldly use the Forum where very few 100% Boldly go.
This thread alone has sped that process up. I don't like lies anymore than you do. It's a really hard thing to "Come out" People need to take it at their own pace and always will. It'll always be a painful process for many. If the view that bi/gay people are less attractive based on sexuality alone. Not whilst those stigmas and views still attach.
i will say though most of what im saying is talking in the past. About 2 and 1/2 years ago i decided id more or less burnt myself out (after over 30 years) all i do now is have my partner and my group of regular gentlemen friends. I dont actively do anything else now thats why my profile is closed down. I dont regret anything ive done but i guess we all burn out eventually"I've heard that. I'm pretty sure I'm burnt out in someways myself. Just getting started in others. Accidently stumbled across a whole new side to myself, I'm pretty sure I'll burn out. Hopefully a very happy old man with loads of freaky friends who like and accept all of me. A little hareem of 1-2 sexy no female Milfs to share with my Gilf. A couple of horse hung studs for us both. Who knows what's round the corner? | |||
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"think youve gone of on a tangent and who has said any of those things are acceptable and who are the you are you reffering to who dont treat it as a lifestyle and can i ask how long youve been in the lifestyle I'm not sure what you're asking me. With no punctuation it's really hard to understand. Can't catch my breath!_loswingers has explained it better So I see. And noticed my glaring typo before I did. I want to be friends with people like you, if this is also your lifestyle. Providing our persolaties gelled. That's all I meant by most of my "Hot air". I don't see how that translates as a low opinion of swingers, especially when I consider myself one. Those negative things happen all the time in this lifestyle and you know it. I'm not saying you condone it, I'm saying broadly speaking it's semi socially acceptable to accept some things as "Preference" When based on an 'ism. You'd be blind or guilty not to see it. There are many people on Fab who do not treat fabswingers as a lifestyle. Some date only. Some don't meet. Some cheat. Some Social. Some only sexual. Some blah blah I was drawing a wavy, uncertain line between those differing lifestyles and approaches and the more intimate, personal, social swingers who do socialise outside of sex in some way or another. Putting myself in that camp. Yes I've gone on a tangent, but we all keep switching goalposts. I'm sorry for my part and if you think we should stop out of politeness, I will to. I may need to re-read some posts and my own if we're going to carry on.. arguing I've been watching SAS programme at same time and there may be confusion somewhere. So bear with please.i just cant understand why people have to lie. My husband was bi he told me about a week after we met but id already sensed it. It was great we had a regular guy in our marriage to fulfil that part of him and also it satisfied me as well. Ive had lots of bi friends and my partner of 13 years is bi. I love tvs. I have been on tv c**cks for about 15 years as an admirer although im not active on there now. I used to hold tv socials. I will have sex with whoever i like whether they are bi straight male female tv or whatever. I dont care about creed or colour. But i do think we should be true to ourselves. If someone isnt attracted to me because of who i am i really dont care but im not going to hide it just to get a shag
You're very open minded though and very lucky to have the life you have. In my opinion at least, based on what you've just said. Outside of this 'Debate' You seem like someone I'd love to hang out with and get to know. I'm starting to feel the same way as you on the subject. I am turned off by lies and will in time merge Cixi With my male profile. Maybe boldly use the Forum where very few 100% Boldly go.
This thread alone has sped that process up. I don't like lies anymore than you do. It's a really hard thing to "Come out" People need to take it at their own pace and always will. It'll always be a painful process for many. If the view that bi/gay people are less attractive based on sexuality alone. Not whilst those stigmas and views still attach.
i will say though most of what im saying is talking in the past. About 2 and 1/2 years ago i decided id more or less burnt myself out (after over 30 years) all i do now is have my partner and my group of regular gentlemen friends. I dont actively do anything else now thats why my profile is closed down. I dont regret anything ive done but i guess we all burn out eventually
I've heard that. I'm pretty sure I'm burnt out in someways myself. Just getting started in others. Accidently stumbled across a whole new side to myself, I'm pretty sure I'll burn out. Hopefully a very happy old man with loads of freaky friends who like and accept all of me. A little hareem of 1-2 sexy no female Milfs to share with my Gilf. A couple of horse hung studs for us both. Who knows what's round the corner? "funny thing is ive never been as content sexually as i am now. It was like i was always chasing something Its hard to explain | |||
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"think youve gone of on a tangent and who has said any of those things are acceptable and who are the you are you reffering to who dont treat it as a lifestyle and can i ask how long youve been in the lifestyle I'm not sure what you're asking me. With no punctuation it's really hard to understand. Can't catch my breath!_loswingers has explained it better So I see. And noticed my glaring typo before I did. I want to be friends with people like you, if this is also your lifestyle. Providing our persolaties gelled. That's all I meant by most of my "Hot air". I don't see how that translates as a low opinion of swingers, especially when I consider myself one. Those negative things happen all the time in this lifestyle and you know it. I'm not saying you condone it, I'm saying broadly speaking it's semi socially acceptable to accept some things as "Preference" When based on an 'ism. You'd be blind or guilty not to see it. There are many people on Fab who do not treat fabswingers as a lifestyle. Some date only. Some don't meet. Some cheat. Some Social. Some only sexual. Some blah blah I was drawing a wavy, uncertain line between those differing lifestyles and approaches and the more intimate, personal, social swingers who do socialise outside of sex in some way or another. Putting myself in that camp. Yes I've gone on a tangent, but we all keep switching goalposts. I'm sorry for my part and if you think we should stop out of politeness, I will to. I may need to re-read some posts and my own if we're going to carry on.. arguing I've been watching SAS programme at same time and there may be confusion somewhere. So bear with please.i just cant understand why people have to lie. My husband was bi he told me about a week after we met but id already sensed it. It was great we had a regular guy in our marriage to fulfil that part of him and also it satisfied me as well. Ive had lots of bi friends and my partner of 13 years is bi. I love tvs. I have been on tv c**cks for about 15 years as an admirer although im not active on there now. I used to hold tv socials. I will have sex with whoever i like whether they are bi straight male female tv or whatever. I dont care about creed or colour. But i do think we should be true to ourselves. If someone isnt attracted to me because of who i am i really dont care but im not going to hide it just to get a shag
You're very open minded though and very lucky to have the life you have. In my opinion at least, based on what you've just said. Outside of this 'Debate' You seem like someone I'd love to hang out with and get to know. I'm starting to feel the same way as you on the subject. I am turned off by lies and will in time merge Cixi With my male profile. Maybe boldly use the Forum where very few 100% Boldly go.
This thread alone has sped that process up. I don't like lies anymore than you do. It's a really hard thing to "Come out" People need to take it at their own pace and always will. It'll always be a painful process for many. If the view that bi/gay people are less attractive based on sexuality alone. Not whilst those stigmas and views still attach.
i will say though most of what im saying is talking in the past. About 2 and 1/2 years ago i decided id more or less burnt myself out (after over 30 years) all i do now is have my partner and my group of regular gentlemen friends. I dont actively do anything else now thats why my profile is closed down. I dont regret anything ive done but i guess we all burn out eventually
I've heard that. I'm pretty sure I'm burnt out in someways myself. Just getting started in others. Accidently stumbled across a whole new side to myself, I'm pretty sure I'll burn out. Hopefully a very happy old man with loads of freaky friends who like and accept all of me. A little hareem of 1-2 sexy no female Milfs to share with my Gilf. A couple of horse hung studs for us both. Who knows what's round the corner? funny thing is ive never been as content sexually as i am now. It was like i was always chasing something
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"Probably similair to how I feel about "coming out" in my own way. Liberating and unstressful. How life should have been all along? No more lies? Yeah, I get that. Only I'm only semi burnt out Still a LOT of testosterone left in these big baggy balls and only semi experienced enough to have not done it all  maybe a smidgen of estrogin (No idea if I spelt that right) in my average sized brain
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