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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Does any one here on fab conceal carry in the US ? Why do you if have one?

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS over a year ago

Belpre

Yes, but only when I feel it may be wise to carry. I've had my permit for a very long time. Luckily I live out in the country. If I lived in a big city I'd carry every day.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Yes, but only when I feel it may be wise to carry. I've had my permit for a very long time. Luckily I live out in the country. If I lived in a big city I'd carry every day.

Same we deal with bears . But I do carry everyday.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Yes, but only when I feel it may be wise to carry. I've had my permit for a very long time. Luckily I live out in the country. If I lived in a big city I'd carry every day.

Love that you care about your well being.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I carry a G19 glock everyday. Do you feel safer and atiquite enough to use it in a stressful situation ? I do it's all about practice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I carry everyday for personal protection. You never know when or where you will need it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And here lies the problem ...

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

"I carry a G19 glock everyday. Do you feel safer and atiquite enough to use it in a stressful situation ? I do it's all about practice."
Why are you so obsessed with fire arms? They are the instruments of death not works of art that you lovingly adorn and genuflect over. Could it be that they mitigate your inadequacy giving you a sense of power and control ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I carry a G19 glock everyday. Do you feel safer and atiquite enough to use it in a stressful situation ? I do it's all about practice.Why are you so obsessed with fire arms? They are the instruments of death not works of art that you lovingly adorn and genuflect over. Could it be that they mitigate your inadequacy giving you a sense of power and control ? "

And yet clearly there are people besides me that carry. Are they inadequate ? No a sense of self defense nothing more nothing less.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

https://www.forbes.com/sites/aaronsmith/2021/03/10/americans-are-spending-their-stimulus-checks-on-guns/

Yup we all inadequate

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By *oAnCouple over a year ago

Wandsworth

We also carry when we go to South Africa. Have Glock as well as a Remington 783 for the 270 and 416 Ruger for big game.

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By *edonisthenryMan over a year ago

Cambridge

Bearing arms is an issue which will continue to divide the USA and UK. Handguns were banned after the Dunblane school massacre in Scotland. Our great tennis player Andy Murray was there in Dunblane at the time as a school child.

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By *eliciouslySalaciousCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

If I was to go to Pennsylvania on holiday, just how dangerous is it? Should I invest in weapons training before I go and if I don't, what percentage of the folk around me would be better personally protected than I? If I got training could I hire a gun for the trip or would I need to employ security to act on my behalf?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"If I was to go to Pennsylvania on holiday, just how dangerous is it? Should I invest in weapons training before I go and if I don't, what percentage of the folk around me would be better personally protected than I? If I got training could I hire a gun for the trip or would I need to employ security to act on my behalf?"

You personal security is your responsibility.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

You personal security is your responsibility."

It's that simple provide defense for yourself or don't. Life still goes on. I choose the former.

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS over a year ago

Belpre

Over here in the US, many of us grew up out in the country, and we grew up handling guns for hunting or shooting practice with family and friends, which many of enjoy very much. We also learned to use guns for protection of course, because there are very dangerous animals in some areas of this country, and It's been that way since colonial times over here. We don't want to wipe out the dangerous animal, because they have a right to be here too.

As far as carrying a concealed weapon, we also have some dangerous areas that aren't out in the country, and the danger comes from the most dangerous and somewhat unpredictable animal

on the planet, other humans.

Unfortunately, sometimes it becomes necessary to protect yourself, family, friends, or someone else, from a person or persons that means serious harm, for whatever reason. In that unfortunate situation, it can become necessary to use lethal force against said person or persons to eliminate that serious danger.

No one in their right mind wants to shoot another person, but it can become necessary under certain circumstances.

As the saying goes, I'd rather have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

Your own life or someone else's life may depend on your correct judgement of the dangerous situation, and your ability to use lethal force even though you don't want to if it becomes absolutely necessary.

Unfortunate as it is, that's just the cold hard facts on the matter.

Guns were never the problem, humans have been finding ways to kill other humans throughout history. If it's not with a gun, it will be with something else, that you can be absolutely sure of.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Over here in the US, many of us grew up out in the country, and we grew up handling guns for hunting or shooting practice with family and friends, which many of enjoy very much. We also learned to use guns for protection of course, because there are very dangerous animals in some areas of this country, and It's been that way since colonial times over here. We don't want to wipe out the dangerous animal, because they have a right to be here too.

As far as carrying a concealed weapon, we also have some dangerous areas that aren't out in the country, and the danger comes from the most dangerous and somewhat unpredictable animal

on the planet, other humans.

No one in their right mind wants to shoot another person, but it can become necessary under certain circumstances.

As the saying goes, I'd rather have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

Unfortunate as it is, that's just the cold hard facts on the matter.

Guns were never the problem, humans have been finding ways to kill other humans throughout history. If it's not with a gun, it will be with something else, that you can be absolutely sure of.

It's better to be judged by 12 then to be carried by 6. Never had to fire mine for protection but I aimed it 1 a attempted car jacking and 1 making a nightly deposit trying to rob me with a bat.

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By *ust some cock suckerMan over a year ago

Preston

"I carry everyday for personal protection. You never know when or where you will need it"

I'm so glad I don't live in a County where I feel I need a handgun to be "safe"

I think it's a national failure on a epic scale.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I carry everyday for personal protection. You never know when or where you will need it

I'm so glad I don't live in a County where I feel I need a handgun to be "safe"

I think it's a national failure on a epic scale. "

And so is not having as any personal protection. It is a failure.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I carry everyday for personal protection. You never know when or where you will need it

I'm so glad I don't live in a County where I feel I need a handgun to be "safe"

I think it's a national failure on a epic scale. "

And so is not having as any personal protection. It is a failure.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I carry everyday for personal protection. You never know when or where you will need it

I'm so glad I don't live in a County where I feel I need a handgun to be "safe"

I think it's a national failure on a epic scale.

And so is not having as any personal protection. It is a failure."

I think the point is. Aside from in warzones, the rest of the world manages to feel safe without having a gun on their person at all times.

I've been lucky enough to travel to and live in lots of countries around the world. The states is the only place I've had guns pointed at me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So as an English man, I've never even seen a real gun outside of an airport, and the thought of one terrifies me. Do Americans grow up around them and get used to the idea young, or do you need to go for shooting lessons etc?

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

As far as carrying a concealed weapon, we also have some dangerous areas that aren't out in the country, and the danger comes from the most dangerous and somewhat unpredictable animal

on the planet, other humans.

No one in their right mind wants to shoot another person, but it can become necessary under certain circumstances.

As the saying goes, I'd rather have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

Unfortunate as it is, that's just the cold hard facts on the matter.

Guns were never the problem, humans have been finding ways to kill other humans throughout history. If it's not with a gun, it will be with something else, that you can be absolutely sure of.

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Guns are the problem..high murder rates correlate to high gun ownership not

just in the u.s. but in countries that allow easy access and ownership. To argue otherwise is to commit intelligent suicide

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

As far as carrying a concealed weapon, we also have some dangerous areas that aren't out in the country, and the danger comes from the most dangerous and somewhat unpredictable animal

on the planet, other humans.

No one in their right mind wants to shoot another person, but it can become necessary under certain circumstances.

As the saying goes, I'd rather have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

Unfortunate as it is, that's just the cold hard facts on the matter.

Guns were never the problem, humans have been finding ways to kill other humans throughout history. If it's not with a gun, it will be with something else, that you can be absolutely sure of.

Guns are the problem..high murder rates correlate to high gun ownership not

just in the u.s. but in countries that allow easy access and ownership. To argue otherwise is to commit intelligent suicide"

High suicide by guns and gang related 2nd highest. Not a gun issue it's a mental/society issue.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Hunting at age 12 generations of firearms in my family. Trained they are not a toy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hunting at age 12 generations of firearms in my family. Trained they are not a toy."

I would prefer to shoot my load. ??

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Hunting at age 12 generations of firearms in my family. Trained they are not a toy.

I would prefer to shoot my load. ??"

Don't shoot your eye out .

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Went to gun store parking lot full. I guess where all those stimmy checks going to. Sheesh never seen this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So as an English man, I've never even seen a real gun outside of an airport, and the thought of one terrifies me. Do Americans grow up around them and get used to the idea young, or do you need to go for shooting lessons etc?"
i had my first gun at the age of 8 and sighted in guns for my family members at age 10. I guess you could say that Igrew up with them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I guess the more exposed you are the more normal it becomes

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I guess the more exposed you are the more normal it becomes"

Depends on where you live. We deal with rattlesnakes bears coyotes mountain lions . There was a bear attack few years ago 3 people killed. Rather have the option then to get eaten.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I guess the more exposed you are the more normal it becomes"

I hadn’t touched a gun until wolf and I got together. I’ve been shooting a few times with him when he’s in the UK. You quickly get conditioned to handling firearms. Start off shaky and sweaty palmed but it doesn’t take long to build confidence. It’s why it makes me laugh when I see people from the UK so completely outraged that anyone could enjoy shooting or even be horrified that anyone would want to handle something ‘designed purely to kill’. There’s a lot of fear and ignorance around shooting here.

Everyone has their thing is how I see it. Some people collect model trains, some grow veggies and some people go shooting.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I guess the more exposed you are the more normal it becomes

Everyone has their thing is how I see it. Some people collect model trains, some grow veggies and some people go shooting. "

I think the difference is, people don't walk into schools with model trains or vegetables and kill a load of kids.

I can't speak on behalf of anyone other than myself in the capacity of a non-gun person. I've no issues with people using guns for recreational purposes. But the US has a massive problem with gun violence, and the availability of guns is definitely part of the problem.

I'm unaware of the pro-gun people's suggestions for how to deal with the problem. Aside from people having more guns. But I would be very interested to know.

Whatever they're doing now, isn't working.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I guess the more exposed you are the more normal it becomes

Everyone has their thing is how I see it. Some people collect model trains, some grow veggies and some people go shooting.

I think the difference is, people don't walk into schools with model trains or vegetables and kill a load of kids.

I'm unaware of the pro-gun people's suggestions for how to deal with the problem. Aside from people having more guns. But I would be very interested to know.

Whatever they're doing now, isn't working. "

It's not working because of all the permits ect...for law abiding people to have to jump thru. Colorado could have been prevented if other people were carrying. But nerf the average citizen.Guns not going anywhere they are not going to get rid of them. Pass laws all you want. They just are helping the criminal side. People don't bother carrying because all the checks you have to go through. Rather be able to confront that evil then wait for help. Each minute someone dies. It's just the new normal now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I guess the more exposed you are the more normal it becomes

Everyone has their thing is how I see it. Some people collect model trains, some grow veggies and some people go shooting.

I think the difference is, people don't walk into schools with model trains or vegetables and kill a load of kids.

I'm unaware of the pro-gun people's suggestions for how to deal with the problem. Aside from people having more guns. But I would be very interested to know.

Whatever they're doing now, isn't working.

So what's your suggestion?

More guns? Or did I misunderstand you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I guess the more exposed you are the more normal it becomes

Everyone has their thing is how I see it. Some people collect model trains, some grow veggies and some people go shooting. "

I would definitely love to have a go if I ever got the opportunity (talking about guns obviously.....although you already know what Razorstorm leggings do for me

)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I guess the more exposed you are the more normal it becomes

Everyone has their thing is how I see it. Some people collect model trains, some grow veggies and some people go shooting.

I think the difference is, people don't walk into schools with model trains or vegetables and kill a load of kids.

I'm unaware of the pro-gun people's suggestions for how to deal with the problem. Aside from people having more guns. But I would be very interested to know.

Whatever they're doing now, isn't working. "

I’m not talking about the gun crime problem in America, it’s not my area of interest. I was making an observation about how mortified a lot of people from the UK seem to be about the idea of firing or even wanting to fire a gun. I don’t think I’ll ever understand the abject fear they have of them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I guess the more exposed you are the more normal it becomes

Everyone has their thing is how I see it. Some people collect model trains, some grow veggies and some people go shooting.

I think the difference is, people don't walk into schools with model trains or vegetables and kill a load of kids.

I'm unaware of the pro-gun people's suggestions for how to deal with the problem. Aside from people having more guns. But I would be very interested to know.

Whatever they're doing now, isn't working.

So what's your suggestion?

More guns? Or did I misunderstand you."

There has been a overwhelming response to gun purchases since the start of the pandemic. They need to find out why. No fear for police anymore every first time buyers I talked with want the added security. Is it the riots is it police brutality is it Economic is it society looks at video games ect... There is no magic cure in my opinion except being able counter a threat with equal force.

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By *uncowboy77Man over a year ago

Conroe

Yes I carry everyday, I am a marine and fought for that right. With the society as a whole going to hell in a hand basket I want to be able to defend myself from the "law abiding citizens"! Its the criminals that will always have violent means and methods.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Yes I carry everyday, I am a marine and fought for that right. With the society as a whole going to hell in a hand basket I want to be able to defend myself from the "law abiding citizens"! Its the criminals that will always have violent means and methods. "

Would you have used it in colorado or would you just let him carry on shooting people ? No you would have tried to save as many as you can. Training is they key not spray and pray like alot of idiots I see at the range.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

There was a time when people brought guns to school guns hanging from gun racks in your vehicle. Back then the violence was low. So is it a social issue now or a gun issue.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I guess the more exposed you are the more normal it becomes

Everyone has their thing is how I see it. Some people collect model trains, some grow veggies and some people go shooting.

I think the difference is, people don't walk into schools with model trains or vegetables and kill a load of kids.

I'm unaware of the pro-gun people's suggestions for how to deal with the problem. Aside from people having more guns. But I would be very interested to know.

Whatever they're doing now, isn't working.

So what's your suggestion?

More guns? Or did I misunderstand you.

So just live with all the gun violence and school shootings, or should they at least try to do something?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I guess the more exposed you are the more normal it becomes

Everyone has their thing is how I see it. Some people collect model trains, some grow veggies and some people go shooting.

I think the difference is, people don't walk into schools with model trains or vegetables and kill a load of kids.

I'm unaware of the pro-gun people's suggestions for how to deal with the problem. Aside from people having more guns. But I would be very interested to know.

Whatever they're doing now, isn't working.

So what's your suggestion?

More guns? Or did I misunderstand you.

So just live with all the gun violence and school shootings, or should they at least try to do something?"

Big study on social issues don't you think ? years ago none of this was going on when the same weapons same type has always been in circulation. Is it glorification of violence?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I guess the more exposed you are the more normal it becomes

Everyone has their thing is how I see it. Some people collect model trains, some grow veggies and some people go shooting.

I think the difference is, people don't walk into schools with model trains or vegetables and kill a load of kids.

I'm unaware of the pro-gun people's suggestions for how to deal with the problem. Aside from people having more guns. But I would be very interested to know.

Whatever they're doing now, isn't working.

So what's your suggestion?

More guns? Or did I misunderstand you.

So just live with all the gun violence and school shootings, or should they at least try to do something?

Big study on social issues don't you think ? years ago none of this was going on when the same weapons same type has always been in circulation. Is it glorification of violence? "

Honestly I don't know what the solution is. But I'm interested in your opinion as a gun owner/enthusiast, you will have a different perspective to me.

Does the rest of the world not have the same social issues?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I guess the more exposed you are the more normal it becomes

Everyone has their thing is how I see it. Some people collect model trains, some grow veggies and some people go shooting.

I think the difference is, people don't walk into schools with model trains or vegetables and kill a load of kids.

I'm unaware of the pro-gun people's suggestions for how to deal with the problem. Aside from people having more guns. But I would be very interested to know.

Whatever they're doing now, isn't working.

So what's your suggestion?

More guns? Or did I misunderstand you.

So just live with all the gun violence and school shootings, or should they at least try to do something?

Big study on social issues don't you think ? years ago none of this was going on when the same weapons same type has always been in circulation. Is it glorification of violence?

Honestly I don't know what the solution is. But I'm interested in your opinion as a gun owner/enthusiast, you will have a different perspective to me.

Does the rest of the world not have the same social issues?"

They do don't they . Guns ingrained in our society if it wasn't guns knives bats and any other weapon. Economic/society is the issues. Always been a violent society just depends on where you live.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I guess the more exposed you are the more normal it becomes

Everyone has their thing is how I see it. Some people collect model trains, some grow veggies and some people go shooting.

I think the difference is, people don't walk into schools with model trains or vegetables and kill a load of kids.

I'm unaware of the pro-gun people's suggestions for how to deal with the problem. Aside from people having more guns. But I would be very interested to know.

Whatever they're doing now, isn't working.

So what's your suggestion?

More guns? Or did I misunderstand you.

So just live with all the gun violence and school shootings, or should they at least try to do something?

Big study on social issues don't you think ? years ago none of this was going on when the same weapons same type has always been in circulation. Is it glorification of violence?

Honestly I don't know what the solution is. But I'm interested in your opinion as a gun owner/enthusiast, you will have a different perspective to me.

Does the rest of the world not have the same social issues?

They do don't they . Guns ingrained in our society if it wasn't guns knives bats and any other weapon. Economic/society is the issues. Always been a violent society just depends on where you live."

Gun assault is a behavior not a device. Any assault is a behavior not a device.

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By *uncowboy77Man over a year ago

Conroe

Yes I would have tried to save as many people as possible but would of had the weapon to defend as I am helping people out.

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By *reeneggsandsamMan over a year ago

Perpignan and cap

I'm from a shooting family in the UK (I can handle a firearm) and I love the gun culture in the US. They're grade A Bonkers to have so many guns but So long as they leave them there I feel safer.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I'm from a shooting family in the UK (I can handle a firearm) and I love the gun culture in the US. They're grade A Bonkers to have so many guns but So long as they leave them there I feel safer."

We have a larger demographics then the UK. More things that can kill you. Humans animals ect....

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By *bthreeCouple over a year ago

Yeovil

Having read all the comments and served in the armed forces followed years in the Police , its not Guns that are the problem, its the idiot behind it, a gun is a tool , i shoot over here for pest control,

We British are very lucky to be years behind the US of A in crime levels ,BUT we are heading towards that way fast , responsible gun ownership is to be promotted, and 90% of gun owners are safe , more people die as the result of badly driven cars, oh and i love the Glock by the way xx

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Having read all the comments and served in the armed forces followed years in the Police , its not Guns that are the problem, its the idiot behind it, a gun is a tool , i shoot over here for pest control,

It's mind boggling for me that people have no means of self defense. But scream at the police like it's their fault. It's getting the same way here. If Sarah evers was armed and put 2 in his dome. The outcome could have been different. I choose my personal safety above all others first any means possible. I do love my glock.Super reliable in competition.

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By *bthreeCouple over a year ago

Yeovil

Well if we ever get over to your side , would love to send some down range with you lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Well if we ever get over to your side , would love to send some down range with you lol "

Can do garand as to not offend with the scary black gun my short stature everyone laughs when I shoot it.

thing weighs a ton.

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By *bthreeCouple over a year ago

Yeovil

Lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Lol "
kicks like a mule.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Well if we ever get over to your side , would love to send some down range with you lol "

Some of your citizens lose their minds at the thought of personal protection. Government is all they know.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well if we ever get over to your side , would love to send some down range with you lol

Some of your citizens lose their minds at the thought of personal protection. Government is all they know."

I don't think anyone is concerned with "personal protection".

Just the number of people shooting and killing eachother over there. No one seems to have any ideas what to do about it. Except more guns. Which doesn't seem to be solving the problem.

I don't understand what you mean by "government is all they know". People here aren't heavily armed, so we don't need protection.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Well if we ever get over to your side , would love to send some down range with you lol

Some of your citizens lose their minds at the thought of personal protection. Government is all they know.

I don't think anyone is concerned with "personal protection".

Just the number of people shooting and killing eachother over there. No one seems to have any ideas what to do about it. Except more guns. Which doesn't seem to be solving the problem.

I don't understand what you mean by "government is all they know". People here aren't heavily armed, so we don't need protection.

2 different cultures. Take guns away from people that are law abiding in a culture that has more guns then people. You think the criminal element are going to give up thiers ? See how well that pans out. Don't think gangs will give up thiers even by force

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well if we ever get over to your side , would love to send some down range with you lol

Some of your citizens lose their minds at the thought of personal protection. Government is all they know.

I don't think anyone is concerned with "personal protection".

Just the number of people shooting and killing eachother over there. No one seems to have any ideas what to do about it. Except more guns. Which doesn't seem to be solving the problem.

I don't understand what you mean by "government is all they know". People here aren't heavily armed, so we don't need protection.

Fine.

So what's the solution?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Well if we ever get over to your side , would love to send some down range with you lol

Some of your citizens lose their minds at the thought of personal protection. Government is all they know.

I don't think anyone is concerned with "personal protection".

Just the number of people shooting and killing eachother over there. No one seems to have any ideas what to do about it. Except more guns. Which doesn't seem to be solving the problem.

I don't understand what you mean by "government is all they know". People here aren't heavily armed, so we don't need protection.

Fine.

So what's the solution?"
I agree with better background checks. But don't condemn 1 weapon type when the majority is caused by another. Both instances lately were pistols. I really not a fan but it's only thing you can carry concealed. I am good with mine but prefer longguns.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well if we ever get over to your side , would love to send some down range with you lol

Some of your citizens lose their minds at the thought of personal protection. Government is all they know.

I don't think anyone is concerned with "personal protection".

Just the number of people shooting and killing eachother over there. No one seems to have any ideas what to do about it. Except more guns. Which doesn't seem to be solving the problem.

I don't understand what you mean by "government is all they know". People here aren't heavily armed, so we don't need protection.

Fine.

So what's the solution? I agree with better background checks. But don't condemn 1 weapon type when the majority is caused by another. Both instances lately were pistols. I really not a fan but it's only thing you can carry concealed. I am good with mine but prefer longguns."

Will background checks be enough to reduce the number of fatal shootings?

I genuinely don't know, is why I'm asking. Not to make a point.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Well if we ever get over to your side , would love to send some down range with you lol

Some of your citizens lose their minds at the thought of personal protection. Government is all they know.

I don't think anyone is concerned with "personal protection".

Just the number of people shooting and killing eachother over there. No one seems to have any ideas what to do about it. Except more guns. Which doesn't seem to be solving the problem.

I don't understand what you mean by "government is all they know". People here aren't heavily armed, so we don't need protection.

Fine.

Will background checks be enough to reduce the number of fatal shootings?

I genuinely don't know, is why I'm asking. Not to make a point."

Colion noir on you tube huge gun right advocate. He is straight and to the point a handgun ban would be more preferable.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well if we ever get over to your side , would love to send some down range with you lol

Some of your citizens lose their minds at the thought of personal protection. Government is all they know.

I don't think anyone is concerned with "personal protection".

Just the number of people shooting and killing eachother over there. No one seems to have any ideas what to do about it. Except more guns. Which doesn't seem to be solving the problem.

I don't understand what you mean by "government is all they know". People here aren't heavily armed, so we don't need protection.

Fine.

Will background checks be enough to reduce the number of fatal shootings?

I genuinely don't know, is why I'm asking. Not to make a point.

Colion noir on you tube huge gun right advocate. He is straight and to the point a handgun ban would be more preferable."

A handgun ban + background checks at the point of purchase would lead to less fatal shootings?

I hope someone does something because it's heartbreaking at the moment.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Well if we ever get over to your side , would love to send some down range with you lol

Some of your citizens lose their minds at the thought of personal protection. Government is all they know.

I don't think anyone is concerned with "personal protection".

Just the number of people shooting and killing eachother over there. No one seems to have any ideas what to do about it. Except more guns. Which doesn't seem to be solving the problem.

I don't understand what you mean by "government is all they know". People here aren't heavily armed, so we don't need protection.

Fine.

Will background checks be enough to reduce the number of fatal shootings?

I genuinely don't know, is why I'm asking. Not to make a point.

Colion noir on you tube huge gun right advocate. He is straight and to the point a handgun ban would be more preferable.

A handgun ban + background checks at the point of purchase would lead to less fatal shootings?

I hope someone does something because it's heartbreaking at the moment."

Guns are on the streets and they will always be. There is no magic solution. Certainly not taking guns away from law abiding owners. That in itself is ridiculously stupid. They always chip a little at a time at the 2A. Assault weapon ban not going to do anything when there is more murders by knives alone and handguns. The media and government always trys and fails. They appealed bump stocks now we can use them again. It's always and will be a issue just like abortion just like immigration ect ect... This time because of the pandemic weapon sales went thru the roof. ARs flew off shelves and it wasn't the right just buying them. Teach responsible gun ownership don't just say here you go have fun. Because people will be stupid. All for better background checks. But you can't scream defund law enforcement and expect a better result. It's all politics as usual.

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By *ob198XaMan over a year ago

teleford

Well if we ever get over to your side , would love to send some down range with you lol

Some of your citizens lose their minds at the thought of personal protection. Government is all they know.

I don't think anyone is concerned with "personal protection".

Just the number of people shooting and killing eachother over there. No one seems to have any ideas what to do about it. Except more guns. Which doesn't seem to be solving the problem.

I don't understand what you mean by "government is all they know". People here aren't heavily armed, so we don't need protection.

Fine.

Will background checks be enough to reduce the number of fatal shootings?

I genuinely don't know, is why I'm asking. Not to make a point.

Colion noir on you tube huge gun right advocate. He is straight and to the point a handgun ban would be more preferable.

A handgun ban + background checks at the point of purchase would lead to less fatal shootings?

I hope someone does something because it's heartbreaking at the moment.

Given the prevalence of illegal guns in the US I can see why some people choose to carry a weapon for self defence. That said AR type weapons and bump stocks should have no place in civilian hands. They are not self defence weapons, they are offensive weapons and accessories intended purely to engage and rapidly put down multiple enemies.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Well if we ever get over to your side , would love to send some down range with you lol

Some of your citizens lose their minds at the thought of personal protection. Government is all they know.

I don't think anyone is concerned with "personal protection".

Just the number of people shooting and killing eachother over there. No one seems to have any ideas what to do about it. Except more guns. Which doesn't seem to be solving the problem.

I don't understand what you mean by "government is all they know". People here aren't heavily armed, so we don't need protection.

Fine.

Will background checks be enough to reduce the number of fatal shootings?

I genuinely don't know, is why I'm asking. Not to make a point.

Colion noir on you tube huge gun right advocate. He is straight and to the point a handgun ban would be more preferable.

A handgun ban + background checks at the point of purchase would lead to less fatal shootings?

I hope someone does something because it's heartbreaking at the moment.

They are self defense weapons. Just like a winchester model 1873. I have a 12 gauge . Shotgun same platform. AR style. 6 rounds same mods I can equip it with more devastating. No different. 8 bullets one shot with 00 buck. Handguns are the issues with most murders.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well if we ever get over to your side , would love to send some down range with you lol

Some of your citizens lose their minds at the thought of personal protection. Government is all they know.

I don't think anyone is concerned with "personal protection".

Just the number of people shooting and killing eachother over there. No one seems to have any ideas what to do about it. Except more guns. Which doesn't seem to be solving the problem.

I don't understand what you mean by "government is all they know". People here aren't heavily armed, so we don't need protection.

Fine.

Will background checks be enough to reduce the number of fatal shootings?

I genuinely don't know, is why I'm asking. Not to make a point.

Colion noir on you tube huge gun right advocate. He is straight and to the point a handgun ban would be more preferable.

A handgun ban + background checks at the point of purchase would lead to less fatal shootings?

I hope someone does something because it's heartbreaking at the moment.

How do you get to the point that to feel safe, you don't have to carry a gun with you?

If you were in the UK, or Ireland, would you feel unsafe walking around without your gun?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Well if we ever get over to your side , would love to send some down range with you lol

Some of your citizens lose their minds at the thought of personal protection. Government is all they know.

I don't think anyone is concerned with "personal protection".

Just the number of people shooting and killing eachother over there. No one seems to have any ideas what to do about it. Except more guns. Which doesn't seem to be solving the problem.

I don't understand what you mean by "government is all they know". People here aren't heavily armed, so we don't need protection.

Fine.

Will background checks be enough to reduce the number of fatal shootings?

I genuinely don't know, is why I'm asking. Not to make a point.

Colion noir on you tube huge gun right advocate. He is straight and to the point a handgun ban would be more preferable.

A handgun ban + background checks at the point of purchase would lead to less fatal shootings?

I hope someone does something because it's heartbreaking at the moment.

How do you get to the point that to feel safe, you don't have to carry a gun with you?

If you were in the UK, or Ireland, would you feel unsafe walking around without your gun?"
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Here I will always carry until it is illegal.

After reading some of the other women's posts about the UK. If I could carry there I would.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Ironically Boulder City council did want to put in an open carry firearms in public places ban.... they voted on it and it passed....

It was then appealed by the NRA.... it was overturned by a Colorado judge 6 days before the supermarket shooting

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Ironically Boulder City council did want to put in an open carry firearms in public places ban.... they voted on it and it passed....

It was then appealed by the NRA.... it was overturned by a Colorado judge 6 days before the supermarket shooting "

And the FBI dropped the ball on that background check. He should have been flagged.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ironically Boulder City council did want to put in an open carry firearms in public places ban.... they voted on it and it passed....

It was then appealed by the NRA.... it was overturned by a Colorado judge 6 days before the supermarket shooting

And the FBI dropped the ball on that background check. He should have been flagged."

What is it that some people object to about the background checks?

I know the NRA don't want them, because it could lead to a decrease in sales. But why do other people object?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Ironically Boulder City council did want to put in an open carry firearms in public places ban.... they voted on it and it passed....

It was then appealed by the NRA.... it was overturned by a Colorado judge 6 days before the supermarket shooting

And the FBI dropped the ball on that background check. He should have been flagged.

What is it that some people object to about the background checks?

I know the NRA don't want them, because it could lead to a decrease in sales. But why do other people object?"

Infringement on 2A. Slowly chipping away at that right. Taking a little at a time. Like _abio said weeks ago the 2 huge polarizing issues here are abortion rights which I am for and 2A which also I am for. Same politics over and over. You will see more shootings in the press now. It's just a rinse and repeat constantly. Be easier to just say hands off abortions and hands off guns. But they don't. It's how they get elected.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Ironically Boulder City council did want to put in an open carry firearms in public places ban.... they voted on it and it passed....

It was then appealed by the NRA.... it was overturned by a Colorado judge 6 days before the supermarket shooting

And the FBI dropped the ball on that background check. He should have been flagged.

What is it that some people object to about the background checks?

I know the NRA don't want them, because it could lead to a decrease in sales. But why do other people object?

Hypothetical if you lived here and the world went totally bonkers what would be your weapon of choice. Only access you have is civilian versions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ironically Boulder City council did want to put in an open carry firearms in public places ban.... they voted on it and it passed....

It was then appealed by the NRA.... it was overturned by a Colorado judge 6 days before the supermarket shooting

And the FBI dropped the ball on that background check. He should have been flagged.

What is it that some people object to about the background checks?

I know the NRA don't want them, because it could lead to a decrease in sales. But why do other people object?

Hypothetical if you lived here and the world went totally bonkers what would be your weapon of choice. Only access you have is civilian versions. "

I have a AR-15 with bump-stock.

Also keep a .45 with laser target.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Ironically Boulder City council did want to put in an open carry firearms in public places ban.... they voted on it and it passed....

It was then appealed by the NRA.... it was overturned by a Colorado judge 6 days before the supermarket shooting

And the FBI dropped the ball on that background check. He should have been flagged.

What is it that some people object to about the background checks?

I know the NRA don't want them, because it could lead to a decrease in sales. But why do other people object?

Hypothetical if you lived here and the world went totally bonkers what would be your weapon of choice. Only access you have is civilian versions.

I have a AR-15 with bump-stock.

Also keep a .45 with laser target. "

Exactly that's why mass shooters pick that weapon . Not a AK not a sks not a mac 10 or a plethora of others. Because it is a popular weapon. Media say AR guess who is going to pick it. Assholes that want to because it's popular. Like I said it's not the weapons it the moron behind it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ironically Boulder City council did want to put in an open carry firearms in public places ban.... they voted on it and it passed....

It was then appealed by the NRA.... it was overturned by a Colorado judge 6 days before the supermarket shooting

And the FBI dropped the ball on that background check. He should have been flagged.

What is it that some people object to about the background checks?

I know the NRA don't want them, because it could lead to a decrease in sales. But why do other people object?

Hypothetical if you lived here and the world went totally bonkers what would be your weapon of choice. Only access you have is civilian versions. "

2A is the right to bear arms thing?

Are you asking me? I don't know the first thing about guns, so I can't answer which one I would choose.

In all honesty, I'd probably take my chances. The three times in my life I've had guns pointed at me were in Philly, Detroit and Colorado. All of these situations would have escalated fast if I had flopped out a gun and started waving it around. If I'd have done that, I might not be here today.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Ironically Boulder City council did want to put in an open carry firearms in public places ban.... they voted on it and it passed....

It was then appealed by the NRA.... it was overturned by a Colorado judge 6 days before the supermarket shooting

And the FBI dropped the ball on that background check. He should have been flagged.

What is it that some people object to about the background checks?

I know the NRA don't want them, because it could lead to a decrease in sales. But why do other people object?

Hypothetical if you lived here and the world went totally bonkers what would be your weapon of choice. Only access you have is civilian versions.

2A is the right to bear arms thing?

Are you asking me? I don't know the first thing about guns, so I can't answer which one I would choose.

Training could have changed the outcome.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ironically Boulder City council did want to put in an open carry firearms in public places ban.... they voted on it and it passed....

It was then appealed by the NRA.... it was overturned by a Colorado judge 6 days before the supermarket shooting

And the FBI dropped the ball on that background check. He should have been flagged.

What is it that some people object to about the background checks?

I know the NRA don't want them, because it could lead to a decrease in sales. But why do other people object?

Hypothetical if you lived here and the world went totally bonkers what would be your weapon of choice. Only access you have is civilian versions.

I have a AR-15 with bump-stock.

Also keep a .45 with laser target.

I've had my AR for 17 years. I've never shot anyone with it.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Ironically Boulder City council did want to put in an open carry firearms in public places ban.... they voted on it and it passed....

It was then appealed by the NRA.... it was overturned by a Colorado judge 6 days before the supermarket shooting

And the FBI dropped the ball on that background check. He should have been flagged.

What is it that some people object to about the background checks?

I know the NRA don't want them, because it could lead to a decrease in sales. But why do other people object?

Hypothetical if you lived here and the world went totally bonkers what would be your weapon of choice. Only access you have is civilian versions.

I have a AR-15 with bump-stock.

Also keep a .45 with laser target.

Actually the reason the AK isn’t a weapon of choice because it IS banned in the US as it is classed as an automatic weapon! (Yes I know there are grandfathered exceptions but for the main part you can’t)

Which is the whole point in that 2A gives you the right to bear arms.... but not necessarily any arms you want! Which has always been part of the argument on the democratic side of the aisle

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Ironically Boulder City council did want to put in an open carry firearms in public places ban.... they voted on it and it passed....

It was then appealed by the NRA.... it was overturned by a Colorado judge 6 days before the supermarket shooting

And the FBI dropped the ball on that background check. He should have been flagged.

What is it that some people object to about the background checks?

I know the NRA don't want them, because it could lead to a decrease in sales. But why do other people object?

Hypothetical if you lived here and the world went totally bonkers what would be your weapon of choice. Only access you have is civilian versions.

I have a AR-15 with bump-stock.

Also keep a .45 with laser target.

Which is the whole point in that 2A gives you the right to bear arms.... but not necessarily any arms you want! Which has always been part of the argument on the democratic side of the aisle "

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/category.cfm/sportsman/ak-47-rifles

Own one. Not fully automatic don't like it inaccurate AF. Not fully automatic. Perfect the AR.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/category.cfm/sportsman/ak-47-rifles

Own one. Not fully automatic don't like it inaccurate AF. Not fully automatic. Perfect the AR."

Fabio no offense I love your debating you . Yes we need to do better. But this is the ignorance I was talking about

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

So now you know why the AR is villified and why it's a choice of mass shooters. Popularity.

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By *nowknightMan over a year ago

BRADFORD

"I guess the more exposed you are the more normal it becomes

Everyone has their thing is how I see it. Some people collect model trains, some grow veggies and some people go shooting. "

British born grew up in a country where most have a semi automatic rifle in the house or a rifle with 100 rounds...if you are an officer or ex officer a nice side arm.. the police are armed but so are the criminals

It is then a race who has the bigger weapons even after serving 26 years from simple soldier to officer I still didn't like loaded guns near me...accidents happen and also it adds to suicide rates...sadly

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I guess the more exposed you are the more normal it becomes

Everyone has their thing is how I see it. Some people collect model trains, some grow veggies and some people go shooting.

So suicides are caused by guns. Yet european countries have higher suicides rates.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Police and Army background 9 years gunsmithing and lucky enough to live in the countryside.

Guns are tools ,sometimes interesting engineering,the problem is many kids are exposed to an image that if they have a gun they are invincible to be respected ,computer games films etc.reinforce this.

I've knew a kid aged five double tap bodies in grand theft auto to watch them twitch.That kid now a young man will never shoot alongside me.

We have some charities here in the UK who occasionally get into schools to teach safe use of firearms and ideally I'd like to see training on the schools curriculum given to children in that , and how to behave in the event of a terror incident , and see the aftermath of such events. But if first aid isn't even on the curriculum little chance the rest.

The world has changed a great deal in the last 25 years ,what we did before is no longer the answer.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I agree the parents here who take their children hunting the children have to take a hunters safety course in order to do so. Firearm safety is paramount.People in large cities just buy them no courses and they are on their own with educating themselves.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Children with gun.

This is getting pretty close to the kinderguardians episode of This Is America.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

You can hunt at 12 with adult supervision.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Children with gun.

This is getting pretty close to the kinderguardians episode of This Is America."

Gun safes knowledge of how to use them. Children been hunting for years with no issues.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

I would have a society where he wouldn’t have the gun in the first place!! That’s the point of no guns. He wouldn’t be armed.

Americas lack of gun control has flooded the country with weapons. It’s those lax laws that have armed your criminals and brought a situation upon you whereby now you are unable to control anything.

Yes we have criminals with guns in the U.K. but because they are not readily available and you go to jail just for possessing they are not common in society.

You are living in a nightmare which will only get worse.

We have a couple of mass shootings and ban guns. You have hundreds of mass shoutings and do nothing .

If all those lunatics had access to was a knife the teachers could have hit them with a bloody chair and the kids can run from a knife!!

More guns is not the answer but the mess you’re in I don’t think you have an answer just more innocent deaths .

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

Spot on . The posters fawning adulation of killing machines exemplify the cancer that contaminates American society

I would have a society where he wouldn’t have the gun in the first place!! That’s the point of no guns. He wouldn’t be armed.

Yes we have criminals with guns in the U.K. but because they are not readily available and you go to jail just for possessing they are not common in society.

You are living in a nightmare which will only get worse.

We have a couple of mass shootings and ban guns. You have hundreds of mass shoutings and do nothing .

If all those lunatics had access to was a knife the teachers could have hit them with a bloody chair and the kids can run from a knife!!

More guns is not the answer but the mess you’re in I don’t think you have an answer just more innocent deaths .

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I would have a society where he wouldn’t have the gun in the first place!! That’s the point of no guns. He wouldn’t be armed.

Yes we have criminals with guns in the U.K. but because they are not readily available and you go to jail just for possessing they are not common in society.

You are living in a nightmare which will only get worse.

We have a couple of mass shootings and ban guns. You have hundreds of mass shoutings and do nothing .

If all those lunatics had access to was a knife the teachers could have hit them with a bloody chair and the kids can run from a knife!!

More guns is not the answer but the mess you’re in I don’t think you have an answer just more innocent deaths .

So imagine if law abiding citizen were carrying when mass shootings happen instead of getting in trouble for carrying. Mass shootings and casualties could have been prevented. But lets make it more difficult for law abiding people to carry and rely on what for self defense ? I choose to carry because guns are ingrained in our society we not going to get rid of them. Ban all you want since when do criminals with intent care about a ban. Better background checks longer waiting periods is a viable solution. Don't hider the law abiding ones.

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

I would have a society where he wouldn’t have the gun in the first place!! That’s the point of no guns. He wouldn’t be armed.

Yes we have criminals with guns in the U.K. but because they are not readily available and you go to jail just for possessing they are not common in society.

You are living in a nightmare which will only get worse.

We have a couple of mass shootings and ban guns. You have hundreds of mass shoutings and do nothing .

If all those lunatics had access to was a knife the teachers could have hit them with a bloody chair and the kids can run from a knife!!

More guns is not the answer but the mess you’re in I don’t think you have an answer just more innocent deaths .

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

I would have a society where he wouldn’t have the gun in the first place!! That’s the point of no guns. He wouldn’t be armed.

Yes we have criminals with guns in the U.K. but because they are not readily available and you go to jail just for possessing they are not common in society.

You are living in a nightmare which will only get worse.

We have a couple of mass shootings and ban guns. You have hundreds of mass shoutings and do nothing .

If all those lunatics had access to was a knife the teachers could have hit them with a bloody chair and the kids can run from a knife!!

More guns is not the answer but the mess you’re in I don’t think you have an answer just more innocent deaths .

As I said you have a mess which is beyond repair and the only future is downwards.

What society do you want to live in where you don’t feel safe going out without a gun?

It’s simply too late you have too many guns. A ban on legal guns won’t work now.

You’re missing the point on the law abiding . The wouldn’t need guards in schools if there are no guns in society.

A gunman can kills a dozen people before he’s shot down even if you have gun carrying teachers .

Just sad . The NRA have a lot to answer for.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Said from a country where the government banned self contained air cartridge weapons on the basis they were easily converted to live cartridges.67,000 made and sold under 2000 handed in or destroyed.

65,000 firearms entered criminality .

What ever country you are in the firearms in criminal hands genie has long since left the bottle.

Bans stop law abiding people but do little to stop criminals.

We need to educate people firearms are tools ,if misused they are dangerous and if misused their actions will have consequences.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Everyone thinks semiautomatic rifles is a new phenomenon. They are not. Been around since 1903. 10 round rifle. So from 1903 until the first mass shooting. It's the guns fault not the idiot behind it. So where is the mass shootings since day 1 when they were invented ? It's a mental issue. Not a gun issue. Getting rid of guns for law abiding people is like having men castrated to stop sexual assaults.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Okay.... let me flip the question the other way round?

If there any increased measures you would be happy to accept....

Expanded background checks?

Increased waiting times to get weapons?

Removing the gun show loophole?

Limiting magazine rounds?

Limiting amount of ammunition people can have?

Limiting amount of guns people can own? (If the argument is you have it for protection... how many do you really need to serve that purpose?)

Any other modest gun restrictions?

Just curious if we are having a discussion or it’s going to be no to everything

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Limit capacity to 15 rounds

Better background checks

Close loophole for gun shows.

Extended time on waiting period.

Better education in gun safety.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Now.

What is your solution to inner city violence. Which clearly out numbers any mass shootings on any given weekend ?

Is it social injustice issue or a gun issue ?

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Now.

What is your solution to inner city violence. Which clearly out numbers any mass shootings on any given weekend ?

Is it social injustice issue or a gun issue ?

It’s both.... I like cities like New York and DC that have bans on outside carry within their city limits, and zero tolerance if you get caught with one outside but they also need the support at state level to do that!

I lot of it is social... but you can help get illegal guns off the streets using buy back schemes for example

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Now.

What is your solution to inner city violence. Which clearly out numbers any mass shootings on any given weekend ?

Is it social injustice issue or a gun issue ?

I lot of it is social... but you can help get illegal guns off the streets using buy back schemes for example "

But it's is not legal gun owners causing the violence now is it. Your banning one it's all gang related. Buy backs are a joke you know that. Can you honestly say that gangs are going to give up thier weapons. I had to jump through hoops to get my concealed permit. But there are still alot murders by people who don't have one. I believe in red flag laws you threaten violence your guns are taken.

You all for federal ATF raiding every single inner city homes to search for illegal weapons or police stopping people to check to see if they are carrying ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Now.

What is your solution to inner city violence. Which clearly out numbers any mass shootings on any given weekend ?

Is it social injustice issue or a gun issue ?

I lot of it is social... but you can help get illegal guns off the streets using buy back schemes for example

You all for federal ATF raiding every single inner city homes to search for illegal weapons or police stopping people to check to see if they are carrying ? "

I don't want people being profiled but if that what it takes to curb violence is it bad ?

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

"Said from a country where the government banned self contained air cartridge weapons on the basis they were easily converted to live cartridges.67,000 made and sold under 2000 handed in or destroyed.

65,000 firearms entered criminality .

What ever country you are in the firearms in criminal hands genie has long since left the bottle.

Bans stop law abiding people but do little to stop criminals.

We need to educate people firearms are tools ,if misused they are dangerous and if misused their actions will have consequences."

If you are caught in the U.K. with an illegal gun you are fined, jailed or some form of punishment. You are punished before you even pull the trigger. The point is the police can go after you just by owning the gun. They don’t get carried in public as often for this very reason.

You get stopped carrying a gun you do time.

It doesn’t stop all guns it never will but it stops society having a lot of guns. The statistics of handgun crime speak for themselves,

My brother who lives in the US sounded his horn at a guy who’d just cut him up at a junction. The guy stopped got out of his car and pointed a gun at my brother. FFS really?? Protection is a much stretched word!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

65,000 firearms entered criminality .

What ever country you are in the firearms in criminal hands genie has long since left the bottle.

Bans stop law abiding people but do little to stop criminals.

We need to educate people firearms are tools ,if misused they are dangerous and if misused their actions will have consequences.

You get stopped carrying a gun you do time.

It doesn’t stop all guns it never will but it stops society having a lot of guns. The statistics of handgun crime speak for themselves,

Hope he got the drivers plate and reported. But this reason you just idulged us with is why I carry. Tennessee yesterday just allowed open carry as of july 1st this year. Good experiment to see if it works.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

65,000 firearms entered criminality .

What ever country you are in the firearms in criminal hands genie has long since left the bottle.

Bans stop law abiding people but do little to stop criminals.

We need to educate people firearms are tools ,if misused they are dangerous and if misused their actions will have consequences.

You get stopped carrying a gun you do time.

It doesn’t stop all guns it never will but it stops society having a lot of guns. The statistics of handgun crime speak for themselves,

I think the example was supposed to demonstrate that random people being armed leads to people pointing guns at eachother when annoyed for minor things.

In your scenario, we jumped from one person, to two people waving guns around.

In my mind, this supports the - everyone having guns isn't a good idea- argument.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

65,000 firearms entered criminality .

What ever country you are in the firearms in criminal hands genie has long since left the bottle.

Bans stop law abiding people but do little to stop criminals.

We need to educate people firearms are tools ,if misused they are dangerous and if misused their actions will have consequences.

You get stopped carrying a gun you do time.

It doesn’t stop all guns it never will but it stops society having a lot of guns. The statistics of handgun crime speak for themselves,

I think the example was supposed to demonstrate that random people being armed leads to people pointing guns at eachother when annoyed for minor things.

In your scenario, we jumped from one person, to two people waving guns around.

In my mind, this supports the - everyone having guns isn't a good idea- argument. "

And that example can be applied to both arguments. You have less gun issues all is well. Pulling the gun is intent. Hence the argument with carrying. Like I said there is no magic solution. Always going to be a idiot out there mass shooters included. Intentions. That guy should have been arrested and all guns confiscated. All for Red flag laws. Mental people like that should not own them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

So now there is a bigger path that most Americans took since the beginning of the pandemic and social unrest. Sales increased dramatically not just political sides not just by race. All spectrums. It's signals people want that right to defend themselves. This is why the gun debate is so confusing.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

65,000 firearms entered criminality .

What ever country you are in the firearms in criminal hands genie has long since left the bottle.

Bans stop law abiding people but do little to stop criminals.

We need to educate people firearms are tools ,if misused they are dangerous and if misused their actions will have consequences.

You get stopped carrying a gun you do time.

It doesn’t stop all guns it never will but it stops society having a lot of guns. The statistics of handgun crime speak for themselves,

Yes that your reason but if the other driver didn’t have a gun by restrictive laws and the subsequent non flooding of society with guns you wouldn’t need to think about getting one !

Do you understand the logic??

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

65,000 firearms entered criminality .

What ever country you are in the firearms in criminal hands genie has long since left the bottle.

Bans stop law abiding people but do little to stop criminals.

We need to educate people firearms are tools ,if misused they are dangerous and if misused their actions will have consequences.

You get stopped carrying a gun you do time.

It doesn’t stop all guns it never will but it stops society having a lot of guns. The statistics of handgun crime speak for themselves,

I think the example was supposed to demonstrate that random people being armed leads to people pointing guns at eachother when annoyed for minor things.

In your scenario, we jumped from one person, to two people waving guns around.

In my mind, this supports the - everyone having guns isn't a good idea- argument.

It’s not about mentally disturbed it’s about a guy losing his temper ! It’s that simple

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

65,000 firearms entered criminality .

What ever country you are in the firearms in criminal hands genie has long since left the bottle.

Bans stop law abiding people but do little to stop criminals.

We need to educate people firearms are tools ,if misused they are dangerous and if misused their actions will have consequences.

You get stopped carrying a gun you do time.

It doesn’t stop all guns it never will but it stops society having a lot of guns. The statistics of handgun crime speak for themselves,

I think the example was supposed to demonstrate that random people being armed leads to people pointing guns at eachother when annoyed for minor things.

In your scenario, we jumped from one person, to two people waving guns around.

In my mind, this supports the - everyone having guns isn't a good idea- argument.

It’s not about mentally disturbed it’s about a guy losing his temper ! It’s that simple "

Anger is associated with underlying mental conditions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

65,000 firearms entered criminality .

What ever country you are in the firearms in criminal hands genie has long since left the bottle.

Bans stop law abiding people but do little to stop criminals.

We need to educate people firearms are tools ,if misused they are dangerous and if misused their actions will have consequences.

You get stopped carrying a gun you do time.

It doesn’t stop all guns it never will but it stops society having a lot of guns. The statistics of handgun crime speak for themselves,

I think the example was supposed to demonstrate that random people being armed leads to people pointing guns at eachother when annoyed for minor things.

In your scenario, we jumped from one person, to two people waving guns around.

In my mind, this supports the - everyone having guns isn't a good idea- argument.

It’s not about mentally disturbed it’s about a guy losing his temper ! It’s that simple

Anger is associated with underlying mental conditions."

Everyone gets annoyed and angry at times. Driving is a good example of when ordinarily calm people can lose their shit.

In this example, a second person with a gun could well have escalated the situation fast. Instead of dealing with an angry person with a gun, you'd be dealing with an angry person who feels threatened with a gun.

I'm glad the person who this happened to didn't get shot.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

65,000 firearms entered criminality .

What ever country you are in the firearms in criminal hands genie has long since left the bottle.

Bans stop law abiding people but do little to stop criminals.

We need to educate people firearms are tools ,if misused they are dangerous and if misused their actions will have consequences.

You get stopped carrying a gun you do time.

It doesn’t stop all guns it never will but it stops society having a lot of guns. The statistics of handgun crime speak for themselves,

I think the example was supposed to demonstrate that random people being armed leads to people pointing guns at eachother when annoyed for minor things.

In your scenario, we jumped from one person, to two people waving guns around.

In my mind, this supports the - everyone having guns isn't a good idea- argument.

It’s not about mentally disturbed it’s about a guy losing his temper ! It’s that simple

Anger is associated with underlying mental conditions."

If he started shooting at your brother would that change your perception or if he got killed ? What defense would he have except running.

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

Let's just learn from the terrible mistakes that have been made in the u.s. that have made it a cess pit of violence death and racial division.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Let's just learn from the terrible mistakes that have been made in the u.s. that have made it a cess pit of violence death and racial division. "

Yes take the prime examples of city life and apply it for your betterment. Densely populated areas are cesspools.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

65,000 firearms entered criminality .

What ever country you are in the firearms in criminal hands genie has long since left the bottle.

Bans stop law abiding people but do little to stop criminals.

We need to educate people firearms are tools ,if misused they are dangerous and if misused their actions will have consequences.

You get stopped carrying a gun you do time.

It doesn’t stop all guns it never will but it stops society having a lot of guns. The statistics of handgun crime speak for themselves,

I think the example was supposed to demonstrate that random people being armed leads to people pointing guns at eachother when annoyed for minor things.

In your scenario, we jumped from one person, to two people waving guns around.

In my mind, this supports the - everyone having guns isn't a good idea- argument.

It’s not about mentally disturbed it’s about a guy losing his temper ! It’s that simple

Anger is associated with underlying mental conditions.

If he started shooting at your brother would that change your perception or if he got killed ? What defense would he have except running."

So in this scenario. And someone starts shooting, is the suggestion that I'm likely to survive if I am armed and firing back, at least more so than if I'm unarmed?

Surely the likelihood of someone opening fire is reduced if I'm not armed too?

And the likelihood is reduced again if there are less guns in society?

I'm not necessarily arguing that I have any answer. The way this debate is reported here is focussed on one group who want to reduce the number of guns, and one group who just say "no".

But there has to be something that can be done, even to just reduce the gum violence. Or even just any violence.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

65,000 firearms entered criminality .

What ever country you are in the firearms in criminal hands genie has long since left the bottle.

Bans stop law abiding people but do little to stop criminals.

We need to educate people firearms are tools ,if misused they are dangerous and if misused their actions will have consequences.

You get stopped carrying a gun you do time.

It doesn’t stop all guns it never will but it stops society having a lot of guns. The statistics of handgun crime speak for themselves,

I think the example was supposed to demonstrate that random people being armed leads to people pointing guns at eachother when annoyed for minor things.

In your scenario, we jumped from one person, to two people waving guns around.

In my mind, this supports the - everyone having guns isn't a good idea- argument.

It’s not about mentally disturbed it’s about a guy losing his temper ! It’s that simple

Anger is associated with underlying mental conditions.

If he started shooting at your brother would that change your perception or if he got killed ? What defense would he have except running.

So in this scenario. And someone starts shooting, is the suggestion that I'm likely to survive if I am armed and firing back, at least more so than if I'm unarmed?

Surely the likelihood of someone opening fire is reduced if I'm not armed too?

And the likelihood is reduced again if there are less guns in society?

I'm not necessarily arguing that I have any answer. The way this debate is reported here is focussed on one group who want to reduce the number of guns, and one group who just say "no".

But there has to be something that can be done, even to just reduce the gum violence. Or even just any violence.

That is the question noone can answer. You clearly see from the beginning of this post that the majority of Americans that posted gave thier input as to why they feel the need. I don't think the UK is likely to adopt anything gun wise. No offense but it's not in your culture. There are a plethora reasons for and against.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

65,000 firearms entered criminality .

What ever country you are in the firearms in criminal hands genie has long since left the bottle.

Bans stop law abiding people but do little to stop criminals.

We need to educate people firearms are tools ,if misused they are dangerous and if misused their actions will have consequences.

You get stopped carrying a gun you do time.

It doesn’t stop all guns it never will but it stops society having a lot of guns. The statistics of handgun crime speak for themselves,

I think the example was supposed to demonstrate that random people being armed leads to people pointing guns at eachother when annoyed for minor things.

In your scenario, we jumped from one person, to two people waving guns around.

In my mind, this supports the - everyone having guns isn't a good idea- argument.

It’s not about mentally disturbed it’s about a guy losing his temper ! It’s that simple

Anger is associated with underlying mental conditions.

If he started shooting at your brother would that change your perception or if he got killed ? What defense would he have except running."

A lot of states have what they call “stand your ground” laws where if you feel that your life is threatened in any way you have an excuse to get your gun out regardless of whether the other person has a gun or not....

The classic case of “Stand your ground” is the case of George Zimmerman in the murder of Trayvon Martin.... where zimmerman was the person who instigated the incident and had the gun, but used the law to say he felt his life was in danger when they tussled

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

65,000 firearms entered criminality .

What ever country you are in the firearms in criminal hands genie has long since left the bottle.

Bans stop law abiding people but do little to stop criminals.

We need to educate people firearms are tools ,if misused they are dangerous and if misused their actions will have consequences.

You get stopped carrying a gun you do time.

It doesn’t stop all guns it never will but it stops society having a lot of guns. The statistics of handgun crime speak for themselves,

I think the example was supposed to demonstrate that random people being armed leads to people pointing guns at eachother when annoyed for minor things.

In your scenario, we jumped from one person, to two people waving guns around.

In my mind, this supports the - everyone having guns isn't a good idea- argument.

It’s not about mentally disturbed it’s about a guy losing his temper ! It’s that simple

Anger is associated with underlying mental conditions.

If he started shooting at your brother would that change your perception or if he got killed ? What defense would he have except running.

You said your self you left the US because someone took shots at you. Glad you made your own personal choice to do something. Just like alot of people choose to have the options I currently have. You more then anyone in the UK and even me have a better understanding of inner city violence. Choices. Now you never answered my question to police and federal government intervention as to profiling people and frisking them to see if they have weapons. Atf illegal searches. That will curb gun violence or do we go on pretending it wouldn't. All my guns are registered as required by law. They know how many I have they can inspect anytime if they wish.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

65,000 firearms entered criminality .

What ever country you are in the firearms in criminal hands genie has long since left the bottle.

Bans stop law abiding people but do little to stop criminals.

We need to educate people firearms are tools ,if misused they are dangerous and if misused their actions will have consequences.

You get stopped carrying a gun you do time.

It doesn’t stop all guns it never will but it stops society having a lot of guns. The statistics of handgun crime speak for themselves,

I think the example was supposed to demonstrate that random people being armed leads to people pointing guns at eachother when annoyed for minor things.

In your scenario, we jumped from one person, to two people waving guns around.

In my mind, this supports the - everyone having guns isn't a good idea- argument.

It’s not about mentally disturbed it’s about a guy losing his temper ! It’s that simple

Anger is associated with underlying mental conditions."

Rubbish

Anger is a common emotion which can occur in us all.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

65,000 firearms entered criminality .

What ever country you are in the firearms in criminal hands genie has long since left the bottle.

Bans stop law abiding people but do little to stop criminals.

We need to educate people firearms are tools ,if misused they are dangerous and if misused their actions will have consequences.

You get stopped carrying a gun you do time.

It doesn’t stop all guns it never will but it stops society having a lot of guns. The statistics of handgun crime speak for themselves,

I think the example was supposed to demonstrate that random people being armed leads to people pointing guns at eachother when annoyed for minor things.

In your scenario, we jumped from one person, to two people waving guns around.

In my mind, this supports the - everyone having guns isn't a good idea- argument.

It’s not about mentally disturbed it’s about a guy losing his temper ! It’s that simple

Anger is associated with underlying mental conditions.

If he started shooting at your brother would that change your perception or if he got killed ? What defense would he have except running."

If there was no gun why would he need to run or defend himself. A bit of shouting and it’s all over.

Your avoiding the point of no guns means no threat!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

And to your point. No men no threat no knives no threat no cars no threat no alcohol no threat. Guns are here illegal ones. There is a threat.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

"And to your point. No men no threat no knives no threat no cars no threat no alcohol no threat. Guns are here illegal ones. There is a threat."

Knives don’t commit mass murder

Neither do cars

Those illegal guns were once legal you do know that don’t you!

Some are imported but most are stolen or sold on and on until they disappear off the register.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

You do realize more people die from stabbings here then by assault rifle. Until the violence in inner cities is properly delt with I'll give up my concealed carry. Until then no.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

"You do realize more people die from stabbings here then by assault rifle. Until the violence in inner cities is properly delt with I'll give up my concealed carry. Until then no."

Yes possibly and most at night. Not kids going to school or people in shops or churches.

The U.K. has dangerous areas at night due to drugs but I will walk down them not worrying about being shot!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"And to your point. No men no threat no knives no threat no cars no threat no alcohol no threat. Guns are here illegal ones. There is a threat.

Knives don’t commit mass murder

Neither do cars

Those illegal guns were once legal you do know that don’t you!

Some are imported but most are stolen or sold on and on until they disappear off the register. "

Umm the london bridge attack ring a bell ? Knives cars unless it was fake news.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

I’m not trying to say ban guns. As I said i think it’s too late for you. There are just too many now and I’m not smart enough to suggest an answer.

You are the reason lots of other countries want stronger controls so they don’t end up in such a mess.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

"And to your point. No men no threat no knives no threat no cars no threat no alcohol no threat. Guns are here illegal ones. There is a threat.

Knives don’t commit mass murder

Neither do cars

Those illegal guns were once legal you do know that don’t you!

Some are imported but most are stolen or sold on and on until they disappear off the register.

Umm the london bridge attack ring a bell ? Knives cars unless it was fake news."

Yes and how many died with three assailants?? It was 8

It works out just over two each . Some people were able to defend themselves . The last attack in Westminster the terrorist was attacked by a guy carrying a whales tusk . The terrorist had no gun!

You chose one terrorist incident as a comparison

So please name 5 others ?

To help you There have been 97 deaths in the U.K. due to terrorism since 2005.

The last mass shooting was in 2018 in Manchester and no one died . Crap gunman.

Shal I list the hundreds over three deaths in the US the last year ? It’s a long list.

Can you imagine the carnage in London Bridge if those guys had access to guns?

The fact they didn’t obviously saved lives not having armed citizens !!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"And to your point. No men no threat no knives no threat no cars no threat no alcohol no threat. Guns are here illegal ones. There is a threat.

Knives don’t commit mass murder

Neither do cars

Those illegal guns were once legal you do know that don’t you!

Some are imported but most are stolen or sold on and on until they disappear off the register.

Umm the london bridge attack ring a bell ? Knives cars unless it was fake news.

Yes and how many died with three assailants?? It was 8

It works out just over two each . Some people were able to defend themselves . The last attack in Westminster the terrorist was attacked by a guy carrying a whales tusk . The terrorist had no gun!

You chose one terrorist incident as a comparison

So please name 5 others ?

To help you There have been 97 deaths in the U.K. due to terrorism since 2005.

The last mass shooting was in 2018 in Manchester and no one died . Crap gunman.

Shal I list the hundreds over three deaths in the US the last year ? It’s a long list.

Can you imagine the carnage in London Bridge if those guys had access to guns?

The fact they didn’t obviously saved lives not having armed citizens !!

And yet there was carnage.

Look I do not expect you to understand. You have 0 access to self defense. I see your points but if I personally had the chance to save lives I would. I grew up around guns it's a tool. Unfortunately people demonize them because of thier inability to understand that. Guns kill. Of course they do it is designed to do that just like any object mankind has developed. When you have social economic relevance that come into play and mental health. Well this "tools"will be used for evil too. So to counter that I prefer to carry. Yes I know it's offensive to some people. Yes I am trained and know the difference between bodily harm to myself and others. I used it twice in my 14 years of carrying. Hast been fired once in a her.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"And to your point. No men no threat no knives no threat no cars no threat no alcohol no threat. Guns are here illegal ones. There is a threat.

Knives don’t commit mass murder

Neither do cars

Those illegal guns were once legal you do know that don’t you!

Some are imported but most are stolen or sold on and on until they disappear off the register.

Umm the london bridge attack ring a bell ? Knives cars unless it was fake news.

Yes and how many died with three assailants?? It was 8

It works out just over two each . Some people were able to defend themselves . The last attack in Westminster the terrorist was attacked by a guy carrying a whales tusk . The terrorist had no gun!

You chose one terrorist incident as a comparison

So please name 5 others ?

To help you There have been 97 deaths in the U.K. due to terrorism since 2005.

The last mass shooting was in 2018 in Manchester and no one died . Crap gunman.

Shal I list the hundreds over three deaths in the US the last year ? It’s a long list.

Can you imagine the carnage in London Bridge if those guys had access to guns?

The fact they didn’t obviously saved lives not having armed citizens !!

And yet there was carnage.

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS over a year ago

Belpre

"There was a time when people brought guns to school guns hanging from gun racks in your vehicle. Back then the violence was low. So is it a social issue now or a gun issue."

Your absolutely right. We could have our hunting rifles and shotguns in a gun rack, or on the back seat in plain sight when I was in high school. Of course they couldn't be loaded, and ammo had to be in locked glove compartment, trunk, or not easily accessible, per gun regulations.

Even in Jr. high, the Ohio Division of Wildlife would come to school and have kids go through a safe hunting course. Then they would put up targets and milk jugs filled with water to demonstrate safe shooting and what guns can do in the field behind the school. I still have my embroidered Ohio safe hunter patches from passing those classes. I never sewed them onto my hunting jackets because they make you look to much like a game warden in the woods lol.

Some people will know what I mean by not doing that lol.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

"And to your point. No men no threat no knives no threat no cars no threat no alcohol no threat. Guns are here illegal ones. There is a threat.

Knives don’t commit mass murder

Neither do cars

Those illegal guns were once legal you do know that don’t you!

Some are imported but most are stolen or sold on and on until they disappear off the register.

Umm the london bridge attack ring a bell ? Knives cars unless it was fake news.

Yes and how many died with three assailants?? It was 8

It works out just over two each . Some people were able to defend themselves . The last attack in Westminster the terrorist was attacked by a guy carrying a whales tusk . The terrorist had no gun!

You chose one terrorist incident as a comparison

So please name 5 others ?

To help you There have been 97 deaths in the U.K. due to terrorism since 2005.

The last mass shooting was in 2018 in Manchester and no one died . Crap gunman.

Shal I list the hundreds over three deaths in the US the last year ? It’s a long list.

Can you imagine the carnage in London Bridge if those guys had access to guns?

The fact they didn’t obviously saved lives not having armed citizens !!

And yet there was carnage.

Of course I understand. You have a society that lives in fear of gun violence on a daily basis. You only feel the need to carry due to that fear. Not a happy society really is it. The mental problem is as a society you can’t see how you’ve created your own nightmare.

Walking through those rough streets in the U.K. even with knife crime I am very well equipped to defend myself I spent 15 years trading with the British Karate team so know I can use those skills against any perpetrator. You see he’s unlikely to have a gun because the U.K. isn’t flooded with legal or illegal guns. The USA is.

Spending a lot of time in Chicago I’ve seen the social differences of the haves and the have nots. The lack of a decent healthcare system and even decent education is denied the poorest in the US resulting in those who are denied opportunities to see any better route than crime.

Guns just pile on more violence which in turn makes area of the city no go areas. Without guns the police would be able to roam freely protecting all in society and concentrate on the minor crimes rather than the ridiculous murder rates. Then you would be scared and feel the need to carry your gun.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Knowing karate like you do technically your hands are considered deadly weapons. Fight breaks out wrong hold or punch perp dies. You are charged with involuntary manslaughter.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

"Knowing karate like you do technically your hands are considered deadly weapons. Fight breaks out wrong hold or punch perp dies. You are charged with involuntary manslaughter.

True but I also can disable someone without resorting to a gun which would put both their and my life in danger .

First think you lean in training is walk away. Not pull a weapon out.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Knowing karate like you do technically your hands are considered deadly weapons. Fight breaks out wrong hold or punch perp dies. You are charged with involuntary manslaughter.

True but I also can disable someone without resorting to a gun which would put both their and my life in danger .

First think you lean in training is walk away. Not pull a weapon out. "

Can fire a warning shot and yes you do walk away. Not escalate. Unless you have no choice. Same Training different different type of self defense. Last resort.

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By *edonisthenryMan over a year ago

Cambridge

The right to bear arms is, and please correct me if I am wrong, a constitutional right in the USA. I am not sure why it is still relevant when the country's borders are established and your government has not been ruled by a dictatorship. Do you support the NRA? How would you feel if you were a tourist in the UK and not allowed to carry a gun in a public place? Don't worry we still have armed police though most do not carry guns.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

Rubbish we are heading that way.

In 2020 almost 20k Americans were murdered by guns. The number of people shot is at least three times that.

The number in the U.K. is 28 fatal gun murders. No stats on shootings. If it was ten times the rate it’s still only 280

In the US

600 women per year die due to being shot by their partner or ex husband. That’s dangerous family not streets and equals the total murder rate of all kinds in tne U.K. .

Regarding kids

Every day, 22 children and teens (1-17) are shot in the United States. Among those:

5 die from gun violence

2 are murdered

17 children and teens survive gunshot injuries

8 are intentionally shot by someone else and survive

2 children and teens either die from gun suicide or survive an attempted gun suicide

8 children and teens are shot instances of family fire — a shooting involving an improperly stored or misused gun found in the home resulting in injury or death

Horrific reading and guns should stay banned in the U.K. and jail time increased for ownership.

There’s no amount of responsible ownership to justify those numbers.

Death by cars in the U.K. hangs around 2k that’s going to be addressed with much more automated cars. They already have the tech to slow you down . It won’t be long before those cars stop you being stupid and drive for you.

With 30 million cars on the road the stats are pretty good . Put 30 million guns out in the U.K. and just watch those deaths zoom up!

It’s having access to guns that causes death it’s that simple .

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By *edonisthenryMan over a year ago

Cambridge

Can I ask about guns in relation to protection against wolves and bears, animals our ancestors foolishly exterminated in the UK. In Romania years ago I came across them in the Carpathian mountains and I felt no need for protection as they kept their distance. I can not comment about bears but is pepper spray not sufficient? I hope to one day find out in Yellowstone National Park. By the way, I have walked in the country of Gabon, Africa, with a guide who just had a machete in a coastal national park where the elephant, buffalo and hippopotami were roaming around- animals which demand our respect. We had no guns but we kept our distance until an elephant started flapping its ears at us and the only escape was to run into the sea. A true story.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Can I ask about guns in relation to protection against wolves and bears, animals our ancestors foolishly exterminated in the UK. In Romania years ago I came across them in the Carpathian mountains and I felt no need for protection as they kept their distance. I can not comment about bears but is pepper spray not sufficient? I hope to one day find out in Yellowstone National Park. By the way, I have walked in the country of Gabon, Africa, with a guide who just had a machete in a coastal national park where the elephant, buffalo and hippopotami were roaming around- animals which demand our respect. We had no guns but we kept our distance until an elephant started flapping its ears at us and the only escape was to run into the sea. A true story. "

Momma bears with cubs are extremely aggressive. We had a bruin on our porch at 3 am in the morning trying to get in just like a human you never not the intent. We scared it off but I not taking that risk of not having a firearm for that purpose. Our ring camera alerts us when someone or something is on our property.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/pennsylvania/most-dangerous-animals-pa/

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS over a year ago

Belpre

Your absolutely right. If one of her bear cubs screams for her because it gets scared for some reason, she's seriously dangerous then. When her motherly instincts to protect her cubs takes over, I sure wouldn't want to be standing there with just a can of bear spray for protection lol.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Your absolutely right. If one of her bear cubs screams for her because it gets scared for some reason, she's seriously dangerous then. When her motherly instincts to protect her cubs takes over, I sure wouldn't want to be standing there with just a can of bear spray for protection lol."

Hell no they are relentless. They would shrug off bear spray. Moms love their children. Delt with that issue took like half a mag from AR to scare her off. She would not budge even tho the cubs went to tree.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Amazing creatures one animal I will not hunt.

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS over a year ago

Belpre

Yes, they are an amazing animal, and relatively safe if you keep your distance and they know your there by talking calmly. But, if they get upset for some reason, your in serious trouble without proper protection.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Yes, they are an amazing animal, and relatively safe if you keep your distance and they know your there by talking calmly. But, if they get upset for some reason, your in serious trouble without proper protection. "
when they in your garbage I tend to leave them alone but when they tryin to tear down the front door because they hear the dogs well that is entirely a different issue. I love them I get it. I generally try and scare them. They are majestic. I try and do everything possible to avoid deadly confrontation.

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS over a year ago

Belpre

Your right, until she knows her cubs are safe, she isn't going to be run off easily. She will fight a male black bear twice her size to keep her cubs safe.

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS over a year ago

Belpre

I totally agree. I don't want to hurt them unless it becomes absolutely necessary.

There's not many black bear where I live, but there are getting to be more sitings then there use to be. The bears are swimming across the Ohio River from WVa.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Your right, until she knows her cubs are safe, she isn't going to be run off easily. She will fight a male black bear twice her size to keep her cubs safe."

That's why I love the females they are relentless just like me.

Respect them pure animal instinct no political no racial just straight up protection. My life and my babies life come first.

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS over a year ago

Belpre

I'm sure your a little fireball when you get upset lol, and there's nothing wrong with that ; ) .

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I'm sure your a little fireball when you get upset lol, and there's nothing wrong with that ; ) ."

I am I get upset at people who think that it's ok to think women are safe from men. I see it in nature I see women protecting themselves and their loved ones at all cost. Even with their lives. So after witnesseing the raw loyalty these animals have with no bias. I choose my loved ones and protection above all

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS over a year ago

Belpre

Absolutely, I feel the same way.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Grew up like this with every gun imaginable. Served seen children exploited. No sexual preference if you had something different you were demonized and killed. Seen women treated like dirt below camels because they were deemed more usefull. But yet people are so willing to give up those life giving rights is mind boggling. I just I just got to play me fuck everyone else I seen evil this society everyone complains about is a Dream to millions. But here we are being cunts to one another.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely, I feel the same way."
unfortunately we don’t have that option but you be damn sure I’d own as many guns as possible!

I know this is a touchy subject for a lot of Americans

and not been from the US ive no real business commenting here but it’s just a topic I find interesting when I see debates on tv !

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Absolutely, I feel the same way.unfortunately we don’t have that option but you be damn sure I’d own as many guns as possible!

I know this is a touchy subject for a lot of Americans

and not been from the US ive no real business commenting here but it’s just a topic I find interesting when I see debates on tv !

Idc where you are from it is a inherent right to protect. Even if it offends. I would rather offend then be a statistic to some politician in a body bag because it suits their narrative to what is best for you.I know what is best for me not some pampered politicians. It's easy to say let's not hurt one another. Pampered politicians have no clue living in their glass house. I prefer protecting my house. Burn thiers down because it's a Fallacy to get votes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

So I going to close out this post I made.You can clearly see us americans are more independent. More individual. This why we protect against anything. Once you start being a collective if thought then we are all doomed . One person's preference does not apply to ones other. Race religion sexual preference protection country political views. Guess what. We all die we all have a endgame. It's what endgame you choose and what legacy right or wrong you leave. So get off your high horse and live. Your are just a grain of sand no more no less in the eyes of time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely, I feel the same way.unfortunately we don’t have that option but you be damn sure I’d own as many guns as possible!

I know this is a touchy subject for a lot of Americans

and not been from the US ive no real business commenting here but it’s just a topic I find interesting when I see debates on tv !

We talked before !

Anyway I’m Irish !

Everything seems to be about votes no matter the topic I never really knew how complex your government was up until the last 2 years !!! I watch a lot of what goes on in American politics and what some say on new legislations on gun control

And no I’m no authority I’m not claiming to be

I don’t live there so obviously my opinion here doesn’t mean much but anyhow I 100% agree with having lawful firearms especially with some of the crimes you see happen I personally would feel the need to have guns in my home !!!!

Lots of them

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Love you all be safe thank you for your input. Greatly appreciate all. Live don't let others dictate how. It's your own preserverance that applies. PEACE be with you and yours

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Absolutely, I feel the same way.unfortunately we don’t have that option but you be damn sure I’d own as many guns as possible!

I know this is a touchy subject for a lot of Americans

and not been from the US ive no real business commenting here but it’s just a topic I find interesting when I see debates on tv !

We talked before !

Anyway I’m Irish !

And no I’m no authority I’m not claiming to be

Lots of them

Thanks but it got to the point where the topic is moot. Carry on as best as you deem fit. As a collective well it's the general feeling government is your saviour.Technicallt in my opinion you are your destiny. Not government. You yourself know what is needed and what is not. Fuck em. I choose me

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Everyone wants government to appease your train of thought and what is best for the collective. Some of us choose otherwise. Enjoy what appeals to government and the narrative.I am the momma bear. PEACE. Good luck and all that happy shit.

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By *edonisthenryMan over a year ago

Cambridge

Thanks for your useful comments about bears and pepper spray. May be the Yellowstone rangers I plan to be with will have rifles in case of a bear attack. The only bear which I would be in fear of my life without a gun is a polar bear. The people of Churchill, Canada, are used to them from what I have heard.

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS over a year ago

Belpre

"Thanks for your useful comments about bears and pepper spray. May be the Yellowstone rangers I plan to be with will have rifles in case of a bear attack. The only bear which I would be in fear of my life without a gun is a polar bear. The people of Churchill, Canada, are used to them from what I have heard. "

It doesn't take a polar bear, Any black bear, even a juvenile black bear can kill you in a matter of seconds if it gets angry. Black bears aren't a joke, they can be lethal in an instant.

Polar bears and grizzly bears are on a whole other level of fierceness, and size, and you need

the right gun to bring them down before the get

to you.

Bear spray is useless if any kind of north american bear is determined to

get you.

A gun is the only good chance you have against an angry bear that wants to hurt you, and you better hit the bear in a vital spot that stops the

bear or it still may kill you before it dies.

So, don't make the mistake others have, consider any bear dangerous and potentially lethal, because they are.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

It doesn't take a polar bear, Any black bear, even a juvenile black bear can kill you in a matter of seconds if it gets angry. Black bears aren't a joke, they can be lethal in an instant.

Polar bears and grizzly bears are on a whole other level of fierceness, and size, and you need

the right gun to bring them down before the get

to you.

Bear spray is useless if any kind of north american bear is determined to

get you.

A gun is the only good chance you have against an angry bear that wants to hurt you, and you better hit the bear in a vital spot that stops the

bear or it still may kill you before it dies.

So, don't make the mistake others have, consider any bear dangerous and potentially lethal, because they are."

Hunters shot a 750 lb bruin near our house. Try taking that down with a pistol. It was huge for a black bear

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS over a year ago

Belpre

Yes that was a huge black bear. I've seen black bear that would go 600 lbs or so, but never a 750 lb black bear.

Years ago I met a family in central PA. that owned a business called Black Bear Truss, and they had a huge black bear for a pet. Their daughter grew up with it from the time it was a cub. That bear loved that girl so much. They built a huge cage building with a concrete swimming pool in it and a really nice shelter for it to hibernate in during the winter months. The pictures they showed me of their little daughter playing with that bear and sleeping on it's belly were really something. I kind of wonder if their business is still open after all these years, I was pretty young at the time.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Momma bear with 3 cubs this morning. Awesome sight.

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By *edonisthenryMan over a year ago

Cambridge

You are very lucky to see this. Being excited about seeing a hedgehog is not in the same league.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

There's going to be difficulty in achieving improvements of safety whilst the NRA has so much power, including financial power, where they have enormous parliamentary lobbying mu$cle. Fantatics are easily hoodwinked anywhere, into buying into the status quo. And there's plenty of stupid to go around, leaving the clueless happy.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"There's going to be difficulty in achieving improvements of safety whilst the NRA has so much power, including financial power, where they have enormous parliamentary lobbying mu$cle. Fantatics are easily hoodwinked anywhere, into buying into the status quo. And there's plenty of stupid to go around, leaving the clueless happy. "

Not just the NRA. Individuals have been purchasing firearms like crazy. Realizing their rights.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Not just the NRA. Individuals have been purchasing firearms like crazy. Realizing their rights."

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2021/04/fear-of-law-changes-keep-gun-sales-soaring-in-pennsylvania.html

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By *eedshandymanMan over a year ago

leeds

R u feeling lucky punk .well r u

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By *ob198XaMan over a year ago

teleford

America has had 11,000 deaths from guns in the first 3 months of the year!! Still imagine how many more there would have been if good people didn’t carry guns too

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"America has had 11,000 deaths from guns in the first 3 months of the year!! Still imagine how many more there would have been if good people didn’t carry guns too

"
. 2.5 million defensive use according to the cdc.

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By *ob198XaMan over a year ago

teleford

"America has had 11,000 deaths from guns in the first 3 months of the year!! Still imagine how many more there would have been if good people didn’t carry guns too

. 2.5 million defensive use according to the cdc."

2.5 million events when a gun was drawn in “defence” ? in that case how the death toll is only 11,000 is beyond me

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Preventative maintenance

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By *arakiss12TV/TS over a year ago

Bedford

You can have all the background checks all the stats on past incidents with guns you want, it's how the individual interacts with a gun that is the point.

I'm pro gun, I agree with carrying a gun for protection.

If you took away the guns the individual who bears a grudge against society will find another method of destruction ie bombs, vehicles, knives, piosion, gas.

The guns have become a part of alot countries make up.

Outlaw them they will only go underground.

These mass shootings people are only focusing on the tool, not the cause.

Why do some people want to shoot up a place?

A good mind with a gun does good things a bad mind, well you know the rest.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Biden signed a executive orders. The Red flag one I can agree with.

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