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By *upoftea OP Man
over a year ago
hornchurch |
Interested to hear everyone’s view when lockdown finishes .... lots of profiles stating ‘up For fun when lockdown finishes’ but the virus is still going to be out there...
Are people thinking that they will be safe when meeting new partners or will people take a more sensible approach ?  |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
Some want to get on with their lives and will take the risk. It's a tricky one, depends when they get a vaccination out there. We personally will continue to stay as safe as we can, until things are clearer  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Interested to hear everyone’s view when lockdown finishes .... lots of profiles stating ‘up For fun when lockdown finishes’ but the virus is still going to be out there...
Are people thinking that they will be safe when meeting new partners or will people take a more sensible approach ? "
It could depend on when the site decides to lift the current ban on meeting people, that will be a difficult decision to make |
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I use to go to a couple of parties and 1 or 2 private meets a month,it will be changing for me when we do get go ahead,probably near July when hospitality reopens
I will leave the parties for now to minimize risks as no point if have to still social distance,it won't be the same
I may meet up privately with some of my known friends,that way I know exactly who I'm meeting and they are contactable
I don't think I will meet strangers for a long time,better the devil I know  |
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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago
trouble most likely, or creating it :) |
"Interested to hear everyone’s view when lockdown finishes .... lots of profiles stating ‘up For fun when lockdown finishes’ but the virus is still going to be out there...
Are people thinking that they will be safe when meeting new partners or will people take a more sensible approach ?
It could depend on when the site decides to lift the current ban on meeting people, that will be a difficult decision to make "
I have enough contacts that if i wanted to I could meet without fabs help.... but as I only meet in clubs and have no intention of changing that.. I have to wait |
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"I use to go to a couple of parties and 1 or 2 private meets a month,it will be changing for me when we do get go ahead,probably near July when hospitality reopens
I will leave the parties for now to minimize risks as no point if have to still social distance,it won't be the same
I may meet up privately with some of my known friends,that way I know exactly who I'm meeting and they are contactable
I don't think I will meet strangers for a long time,better the devil I know "
You're absolutely at the same risk with people you know as with strangers, unless you and the other person self isolate completely, which of course means you can't go out to meet ...... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I use to go to a couple of parties and 1 or 2 private meets a month,it will be changing for me when we do get go ahead,probably near July when hospitality reopens
I will leave the parties for now to minimize risks as no point if have to still social distance,it won't be the same
I may meet up privately with some of my known friends,that way I know exactly who I'm meeting and they are contactable
I don't think I will meet strangers for a long time,better the devil I know
You're absolutely at the same risk with people you know as with strangers, unless you and the other person self isolate completely, which of course means you can't go out to meet ......"
i would imagine you have a better level of trust built up with someone you know than a stranger though
the same level of risk is not true, every interaction increases the likelihood of risk , someone with less interaction is statistically carrying less risk, albeit it i am aware only takes one interaction to contract the virus, probability of it happening is lower
i would trust someone i know to be more likely to cancel if they were feeling under the weather, or if they had been in contact with people that are working in high risk areas etc, way more than i would trust a stranger that just wants laid with another stranger to provide me with that same level of honesty and care |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Interested to hear everyone’s view when lockdown finishes .... lots of profiles stating ‘up For fun when lockdown finishes’ but the virus is still going to be out there...
Are people thinking that they will be safe when meeting new partners or will people take a more sensible approach ?
It could depend on when the site decides to lift the current ban on meeting people, that will be a difficult decision to make I have enough contacts that if i wanted to I could meet without fabs help.... but as I only meet in clubs and have no intention of changing that.. I have to wait "
You can forget about club opening this year,  |
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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago
trouble most likely, or creating it :) |
"Interested to hear everyone’s view when lockdown finishes .... lots of profiles stating ‘up For fun when lockdown finishes’ but the virus is still going to be out there...
Are people thinking that they will be safe when meeting new partners or will people take a more sensible approach ?
It could depend on when the site decides to lift the current ban on meeting people, that will be a difficult decision to make I have enough contacts that if i wanted to I could meet without fabs help.... but as I only meet in clubs and have no intention of changing that.. I have to wait
You can forget about club opening this year, "
which means I will have to wait.. as the clubs offer me my safe place. but clubs in other countries are starting to open now from what I read. So who knows |
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By *upoftea OP Man
over a year ago
hornchurch |
That’s the whole thing ... no one knows who your possibly going to contract it from ... someone you know or a stranger...
For me I look after a vulnerable parent so can’t afford the high risk stakes of meeting currently... definitely wrong time to be single!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"People had bareback sex before covid. Same thing.
Not the same thing at all  "
not the exact same but it is the same theory... people knew what the risks were and acted to protect themselves accordingly or did not ... its a new risk but people’s behaviour in risk assessing probably wont change much |
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"People had bareback sex before covid. Same thing.
Not the same thing at all "
Maybe not exactly the same but there are similarities. It'll all be about acceptance of risk. You walk outside & you can be involved in a traffic accident, you have unprotected sex you can catch an STD, you get close to someone you can catch Covid-19
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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago
Durham, North Yorkshire and can travel |
We need to use a little common sense as a vaccine may be a long way off. This virus is going to be around for a very long time, and will keep resurfacing it's ugly head.
It's about taking a calculated risk. If you are fit and healthy then the risks of the virus being dangerous are relatively minimal. If you have swinging friends who you can trust reasonably well, and they've been adhering to lockdown as much as possible and you have been, then we would feel happy to meet them.
We would meet them privately and will be limiting the public areas where we go.
Life has to keep moving forwards. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Unless you are going to continue isolating yourself then you will be at risk whether it's meeting a trusted friend, going shopping or meeting from here, no one has covid +ve stamped on their forehead so how can you tell?
Saying people who know they have symptoms will do anything for a shag is a bit harsh. Common sense will dictate that everyone will take the chance that sits comfortable with them. No one is better than anyone else based on whether they will meet and I see this attitude creeping in a lot, it's not a pleasant trait. We're responsible for our own health and wellbeing and that if those who depend on us, make decisions based on that alone. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"People had bareback sex before covid. Same thing.
Not the same thing at all
not the exact same but it is the same theory... people knew what the risks were and acted to protect themselves accordingly or did not ... its a new risk but people’s behaviour in risk assessing probably wont change much"
If I catch an STI through a fab meet I cannot then transmit it to family and friends , the risk spreading is far greater with COVID than with an STI |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"People had bareback sex before covid. Same thing.
Not the same thing at all
not the exact same but it is the same theory... people knew what the risks were and acted to protect themselves accordingly or did not ... its a new risk but people’s behaviour in risk assessing probably wont change much
If I catch an STI through a fab meet I cannot then transmit it to family and friends , the risk spreading is far greater with COVID than with an STI "
Exactly! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"People had bareback sex before covid. Same thing.
Not the same thing at all
not the exact same but it is the same theory... people knew what the risks were and acted to protect themselves accordingly or did not ... its a new risk but people’s behaviour in risk assessing probably wont change much
If I catch an STI through a fab meet I cannot then transmit it to family and friends , the risk spreading is far greater with COVID than with an STI
Exactly!"
so thats a cross in the not meeting side of pros and cons tick list of meeting,
it doesnt mean there wont be people who stop assessing their risk
and plenty people on here live alone with no family to bring anything back to |
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"People had bareback sex before covid. Same thing.
Not the same thing at all
not the exact same but it is the same theory... people knew what the risks were and acted to protect themselves accordingly or did not ... its a new risk but people’s behaviour in risk assessing probably wont change much
If I catch an STI through a fab meet I cannot then transmit it to family and friends , the risk spreading is far greater with COVID than with an STI "
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"People had bareback sex before covid. Same thing.
Not the same thing at all
not the exact same but it is the same theory... people knew what the risks were and acted to protect themselves accordingly or did not ... its a new risk but people’s behaviour in risk assessing probably wont change much
If I catch an STI through a fab meet I cannot then transmit it to family and friends , the risk spreading is far greater with COVID than with an STI
Exactly!
so thats a cross in the not meeting side of pros and cons tick list of meeting,
it doesnt mean there wont be people who stop assessing their risk
and plenty people on here live alone with no family to bring anything back to "
That's the thing though: we have to make our own risk assessments.
My other half is white and fit. I'm black and not. He thought this whole lockdown was an overreaction so was still meeting his mates when he left the house to go shopping.
When I found out I pointed out how selfish he was because his actions could be fatal to me.
How/what others do with their lives is not my call to make unless it impacts directly on my life. |
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I think sometimes we are in danger, with the help of some in government and the media of scaring ourselves to death.
Covid will be with us for a long time and we may or may not succeed in producing a vaccine but I am reasonably certain drugs will be produced fairly quickly which will help the symptoms.
I do not wish to diminish the tragedy of all those who have died as every death has been terrible for those families affected. However, it should be remembered that although there have been 34,466 deaths from all sources as of today, that is out of a population of nearly 67 million in the UK. Put another way that is 0.051 of the population. That is half of the capacity of Old Trafford on a Saturday afternoon out of the population of the whole country.
We cannot be in lockdown forever and the only 100% way of avoiding contracting the virus is to stay at home forever by yourselves. Not good for anyone I would think so I believe in the end people will treat it as the same risk as catching flu which we all risk every winter. Even the Flu Vaccine does not prevent you catching it.
Just my take on it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"People had bareback sex before covid. Same thing.
Not the same thing at all
not the exact same but it is the same theory... people knew what the risks were and acted to protect themselves accordingly or did not ... its a new risk but people’s behaviour in risk assessing probably wont change much
If I catch an STI through a fab meet I cannot then transmit it to family and friends , the risk spreading is far greater with COVID than with an STI
Exactly!
so thats a cross in the not meeting side of pros and cons tick list of meeting,
it doesnt mean there wont be people who stop assessing their risk
and plenty people on here live alone with no family to bring anything back to
That's the thing though: we have to make our own risk assessments.
My other half is white and fit. I'm black and not. He thought this whole lockdown was an overreaction so was still meeting his mates when he left the house to go shopping.
When I found out I pointed out how selfish he was because his actions could be fatal to me.
How/what others do with their lives is not my call to make unless it impacts directly on my life."
just realised i meant to say people wont stop assessing their risk
but i still agree with you
some will continue to meet, some wont, some only have themselves to worry about, some dont, and those that were pretty cavelier with their health before (ie barebackers) i imagine will continue to be |
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"People had bareback sex before covid. Same thing.
Not the same thing at all
not the exact same but it is the same theory... people knew what the risks were and acted to protect themselves accordingly or did not ... its a new risk but people’s behaviour in risk assessing probably wont change much
If I catch an STI through a fab meet I cannot then transmit it to family and friends , the risk spreading is far greater with COVID than with an STI "
Not strictly true as you could transmit it before you find out you have been infected. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"People had bareback sex before covid. Same thing.
Not the same thing at all
not the exact same but it is the same theory... people knew what the risks were and acted to protect themselves accordingly or did not ... its a new risk but people’s behaviour in risk assessing probably wont change much
If I catch an STI through a fab meet I cannot then transmit it to family and friends , the risk spreading is far greater with COVID than with an STI
Not strictly true as you could transmit it before you find out you have been infected."
That’s my point, you can’t compare catching an STI with COVID. |
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By *arvest 84Man
over a year ago
SCAWBY, NEAR , BRIGG. |
as there is no cure for corona and a vaxene could be a couple of years away. i think allot of people on fabs will have to make a big decision.
if they are worried about catching it , they will have to stop swinging and come off of fabs, simple.
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"as there is no cure for corona and a vaxene could be a couple of years away. i think allot of people on fabs will have to make a big decision.
if they are worried about catching it , they will have to stop swinging and come off of fabs, simple.
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They don't have to come off here |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"as there is no cure for corona and a vaxene could be a couple of years away. i think allot of people on fabs will have to make a big decision.
if they are worried about catching it , they will have to stop swinging and come off of fabs, simple.
They don't have to come off here "
True....havent had a meet off here for long before lockdown  |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"as there is no cure for corona and a vaxene could be a couple of years away. i think allot of people on fabs will have to make a big decision.
if they are worried about catching it , they will have to stop swinging and come off of fabs, simple.
They don't have to come off here
True....havent had a meet off here for long before lockdown "
Same here |
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By *arvest 84Man
over a year ago
SCAWBY, NEAR , BRIGG. |
by the way, i ment that in a nice way,
but if people are woried about , kissing or passing body fluids wich could spread corona, and you might be with someone who doesnt know if they have it,
perhaps its time for allot of people to call it a day.
apart from when boris says that clubs can open again, whos going to know if any one has got the virus ??? |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"by the way, i ment that in a nice way,
but if people are woried about , kissing or passing body fluids wich could spread corona, and you might be with someone who doesnt know if they have it,
perhaps its time for allot of people to call it a day.
apart from when boris says that clubs can open again, whos going to know if any one has got the virus ???"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think sometimes we are in danger, with the help of some in government and the media of scaring ourselves to death.
Covid will be with us for a long time and we may or may not succeed in producing a vaccine but I am reasonably certain drugs will be produced fairly quickly which will help the symptoms.
I do not wish to diminish the tragedy of all those who have died as every death has been terrible for those families affected. However, it should be remembered that although there have been 34,466 deaths from all sources as of today, that is out of a population of nearly 67 million in the UK. Put another way that is 0.051 of the population. That is half of the capacity of Old Trafford on a Saturday afternoon out of the population of the whole country.
We cannot be in lockdown forever and the only 100% way of avoiding contracting the virus is to stay at home forever by yourselves. Not good for anyone I would think so I believe in the end people will treat it as the same risk as catching flu which we all risk every winter. Even the Flu Vaccine does not prevent you catching it.
Just my take on it."
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By *ikilovesCCouple
over a year ago
village life, closest main town inverness |
"as there is no cure for corona and a vaxene could be a couple of years away. i think allot of people on fabs will have to make a big decision.
if they are worried about catching it , they will have to stop swinging and come off of fabs, simple.
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Why would they have to come off of here, you can't catch it from Fab  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"why be on fabs if your not going to swing ??. cant see much point, althoe i know some people like to perv at pics,
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many people use it for the forums, the chat room, the pictures, keeping up with old friends |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
London |
"I use to go to a couple of parties and 1 or 2 private meets a month,it will be changing for me when we do get go ahead,probably near July when hospitality reopens
I will leave the parties for now to minimize risks as no point if have to still social distance,it won't be the same
I may meet up privately with some of my known friends,that way I know exactly who I'm meeting and they are contactable
I don't think I will meet strangers for a long time,better the devil I know
You're absolutely at the same risk with people you know as with strangers, unless you and the other person self isolate completely, which of course means you can't go out to meet ......
i would imagine you have a better level of trust built up with someone you know than a stranger though
the same level of risk is not true, every interaction increases the likelihood of risk , someone with less interaction is statistically carrying less risk, albeit it i am aware only takes one interaction to contract the virus, probability of it happening is lower
i would trust someone i know to be more likely to cancel if they were feeling under the weather, or if they had been in contact with people that are working in high risk areas etc, way more than i would trust a stranger that just wants laid with another stranger to provide me with that same level of honesty and care "
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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago
Sheffield |
"why be on fabs if your not going to swing ??. cant see much point, althoe i know some people like to perv at pics,
many people use it for the forums, the chat room, the pictures, keeping up with old friends "
I'm just here till my membership runs out then I'm off.
Swinging is done or at least greatly reduced for the next year or two and the clubs are finished too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’ll be meeting from early June when I go back to work this virus will be around for a long time and we keep getting told that things have to go back to normal |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"why be on fabs if your not going to swing ??. cant see much point, althoe i know some people like to perv at pics,
many people use it for the forums, the chat room, the pictures, keeping up with old friends I'm just here till my membership runs out then I'm off.
Swinging is done or at least greatly reduced for the next year or two and the clubs are finished too."
Well that's looking on the bright side, if everyone looked to the future like that we would all go to bed and wait till the nasty thing goes away. |
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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago
Sheffield |
"why be on fabs if your not going to swing ??. cant see much point, althoe i know some people like to perv at pics,
many people use it for the forums, the chat room, the pictures, keeping up with old friends I'm just here till my membership runs out then I'm off.
Swinging is done or at least greatly reduced for the next year or two and the clubs are finished too.Well that's looking on the bright side, if everyone looked to the future like that we would all go to bed and wait till the nasty thing goes away. "
You honestly think that clubs are going to open this year ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"why be on fabs if your not going to swing ??. cant see much point, althoe i know some people like to perv at pics,
many people use it for the forums, the chat room, the pictures, keeping up with old friends I'm just here till my membership runs out then I'm off.
Swinging is done or at least greatly reduced for the next year or two and the clubs are finished too.Well that's looking on the bright side, if everyone looked to the future like that we would all go to bed and wait till the nasty thing goes away.
You honestly think that clubs are going to open this year ? "
people don’t necessarily need a club to swing, just like they dont need a pub to have a drink |
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"Interested to hear everyone’s view when lockdown finishes .... lots of profiles stating ‘up For fun when lockdown finishes’ but the virus is still going to be out there...
Are people thinking that they will be safe when meeting new partners or will people take a more sensible approach ? "
I have no desire to risk my life or my family or friends lives in anyway. I will adjust my life and self imposed lockdown for as long as I can and until a vaccine is made available.
The government can advise but I'm human so I can make wise decisions when I need to so lockdown or not means little to me when I myself have been in lockdown before the government announced it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The virus may always be out there.. so yes I will be meeting as soon as I can "
My Outlook over last week has changed and I agree virus is going nowhere so gotta live with it... |
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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago
Sheffield |
"why be on fabs if your not going to swing ??. cant see much point, althoe i know some people like to perv at pics,
many people use it for the forums, the chat room, the pictures, keeping up with old friends I'm just here till my membership runs out then I'm off.
Swinging is done or at least greatly reduced for the next year or two and the clubs are finished too.Well that's looking on the bright side, if everyone looked to the future like that we would all go to bed and wait till the nasty thing goes away.
You honestly think that clubs are going to open this year ?
people don’t necessarily need a club to swing, just like they dont need a pub to have a drink "
True .. but .. lots of couples on here only meet at clubs. Of the rest , many are not meeting till the Corona virus has gone. Read the forums and see the attitudes and view points of others.
Or only going to see a regular guy/couple
The combination of the above plus the usual difficulties single guys have under normal circumstances tells me its not going to be happening for a long time.
I'm not so paranoid regards the virus just my take the phycological effects on people. |
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By *hynot3Man
over a year ago
Middlesbrough |
"We need to use a little common sense as a vaccine may be a long way off. This virus is going to be around for a very long time, and will keep resurfacing it's ugly head.
It's about taking a calculated risk. If you are fit and healthy then the risks of the virus being dangerous are relatively minimal. If you have swinging friends who you can trust reasonably well, and they've been adhering to lockdown as much as possible and you have been, then we would feel happy to meet them.
We would meet them privately and will be limiting the public areas where we go.
Life has to keep moving forwards."
Yeah I agree, it’s still a tough call but people just need to be careful |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"why be on fabs if your not going to swing ??. cant see much point, althoe i know some people like to perv at pics,
many people use it for the forums, the chat room, the pictures, keeping up with old friends I'm just here till my membership runs out then I'm off.
Swinging is done or at least greatly reduced for the next year or two and the clubs are finished too.Well that's looking on the bright side, if everyone looked to the future like that we would all go to bed and wait till the nasty thing goes away.
You honestly think that clubs are going to open this year ? "
I'm a half full type of person not half empty, I think we will be back to normal way before the end of the year. Got to have some hope. |
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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago
trouble most likely, or creating it :) |
"why be on fabs if your not going to swing ??. cant see much point, althoe i know some people like to perv at pics,
many people use it for the forums, the chat room, the pictures, keeping up with old friends I'm just here till my membership runs out then I'm off.
Swinging is done or at least greatly reduced for the next year or two and the clubs are finished too.Well that's looking on the bright side, if everyone looked to the future like that we would all go to bed and wait till the nasty thing goes away.
You honestly think that clubs are going to open this year ? "
I genuinely do. They are starting to reopen in Europe.. or will be very shortly. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"why be on fabs if your not going to swing ??. cant see much point, althoe i know some people like to perv at pics,
many people use it for the forums, the chat room, the pictures, keeping up with old friends I'm just here till my membership runs out then I'm off.
Swinging is done or at least greatly reduced for the next year or two and the clubs are finished too.Well that's looking on the bright side, if everyone looked to the future like that we would all go to bed and wait till the nasty thing goes away.
You honestly think that clubs are going to open this year ?
people don’t necessarily need a club to swing, just like they dont need a pub to have a drink
True .. but .. lots of couples on here only meet at clubs. Of the rest , many are not meeting till the Corona virus has gone. Read the forums and see the attitudes and view points of others.
Or only going to see a regular guy/couple
The combination of the above plus the usual difficulties single guys have under normal circumstances tells me its not going to be happening for a long time.
I'm not so paranoid regards the virus just my take the phycological effects on people."
yeah i get your points, and i definitely agree that at least some if not most people will become more cautious and therefore opportunities for new swinging experiences maybe less, but just because it will now become more difficult for you as a single guy , doesn’t mean swinging is dead |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
London |
"People had bareback sex before covid. Same thing.
Not the same thing at all
not the exact same but it is the same theory... people knew what the risks were and acted to protect themselves accordingly or did not ... its a new risk but people’s behaviour in risk assessing probably wont change much
If I catch an STI through a fab meet I cannot then transmit it to family and friends , the risk spreading is far greater with COVID than with an STI
Not strictly true as you could transmit it before you find out you have been infected.
That’s my point, you can’t compare catching an STI with COVID. "
Yes you can, you’re missing the point. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Apparently Boris has said he thinks or wants everything back to normal by July. Then we all have to individually choose our normal
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i doubt thats true or there would be no need for a furlough extension to october |
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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago
Durham, North Yorkshire and can travel |
"I think sometimes we are in danger, with the help of some in government and the media of scaring ourselves to death.
Covid will be with us for a long time and we may or may not succeed in producing a vaccine but I am reasonably certain drugs will be produced fairly quickly which will help the symptoms.
I do not wish to diminish the tragedy of all those who have died as every death has been terrible for those families affected. However, it should be remembered that although there have been 34,466 deaths from all sources as of today, that is out of a population of nearly 67 million in the UK. Put another way that is 0.051 of the population. That is half of the capacity of Old Trafford on a Saturday afternoon out of the population of the whole country.
We cannot be in lockdown forever and the only 100% way of avoiding contracting the virus is to stay at home forever by yourselves. Not good for anyone I would think so I believe in the end people will treat it as the same risk as catching flu which we all risk every winter. Even the Flu Vaccine does not prevent you catching it.
Just my take on it."
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"Apparently Boris has said he thinks or wants everything back to normal by July. Then we all have to individually choose our normal
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i doubt thats true or there would be no need for a furlough extension to october"
Business's that have been told they can open, can stop furlough with 24hrs notice, gov are asking for them to try for 48hrs notice, the extension is for the business's that they dont want to open yet, some entertainment and hospitality buisness's for instance |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Apparently Boris has said he thinks or wants everything back to normal by July. Then we all have to individually choose our normal
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i doubt thats true or there would be no need for a furlough extension to october
Business's that have been told they can open, can stop furlough with 24hrs notice, gov are asking for them to try for 48hrs notice, the extension is for the business's that they dont want to open yet, some entertainment and hospitality buisness's for instance"
but if there is business you don't want to open yet then thats surely not everything back to normal ?
some things might be more like normal by july but its all going to be phased snd will take much longer to return to “normal” if in fact we ever do at all |
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By *arkb73Man
over a year ago
Cheshire/Staffs |
"Apparently Boris has said he thinks or wants everything back to normal by July. Then we all have to individually choose our normal
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i doubt thats true or there would be no need for a furlough extension to october
Business's that have been told they can open, can stop furlough with 24hrs notice, gov are asking for them to try for 48hrs notice, the extension is for the business's that they dont want to open yet, some entertainment and hospitality buisness's for instance
but if there is business you don't want to open yet then thats surely not everything back to normal ?
some things might be more like normal by july but its all going to be phased snd will take much longer to return to “normal” if in fact we ever do at all "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Apparently Boris has said he thinks or wants everything back to normal by July. Then we all have to individually choose our normal
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i doubt thats true or there would be no need for a furlough extension to october
Business's that have been told they can open, can stop furlough with 24hrs notice, gov are asking for them to try for 48hrs notice, the extension is for the business's that they dont want to open yet, some entertainment and hospitality buisness's for instance
but if there is business you don't want to open yet then thats surely not everything back to normal ?
some things might be more like normal by july but its all going to be phased snd will take much longer to return to “normal” if in fact we ever do at all
You have no idea that any of that is true - no idea at all. "
i have no idea if it’s phased? the government have already set out some of their plans , which are .., you got it ... not all happening at the same time
“some businesses are not allowed to reopen” - i have no idea that its true this scenario would not be the same as everything has returned to normal... really???
and i already have confirmation from my company that working in the office will never be the same for us again ... that will probably be down to cost and efficiency savings rather than the virus but its an example of how i know for some people “normal” as they knew it will never return at all
so please enlighten me where any of that was information i did not know to be true? |
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By *arkb73Man
over a year ago
Cheshire/Staffs |
"Apparently Boris has said he thinks or wants everything back to normal by July. Then we all have to individually choose our normal
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i doubt thats true or there would be no need for a furlough extension to october
Business's that have been told they can open, can stop furlough with 24hrs notice, gov are asking for them to try for 48hrs notice, the extension is for the business's that they dont want to open yet, some entertainment and hospitality buisness's for instance
but if there is business you don't want to open yet then thats surely not everything back to normal ?
some things might be more like normal by july but its all going to be phased snd will take much longer to return to “normal” if in fact we ever do at all
You have no idea that any of that is true - no idea at all.
i have no idea if it’s phased? the government have already set out some of their plans , which are .., you got it ... not all happening at the same time
“some businesses are not allowed to reopen” - i have no idea that its true this scenario would not be the same as everything has returned to normal... really???
and i already have confirmation from my company that working in the office will never be the same for us again ... that will probably be down to cost and efficiency savings rather than the virus but its an example of how i know for some people “normal” as they knew it will never return at all
so please enlighten me where any of that was information i did not know to be true? "
Your comments about normal and the nature of normality. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Apparently Boris has said he thinks or wants everything back to normal by July. Then we all have to individually choose our normal
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i doubt thats true or there would be no need for a furlough extension to october
Business's that have been told they can open, can stop furlough with 24hrs notice, gov are asking for them to try for 48hrs notice, the extension is for the business's that they dont want to open yet, some entertainment and hospitality buisness's for instance
but if there is business you don't want to open yet then thats surely not everything back to normal ?
some things might be more like normal by july but its all going to be phased snd will take much longer to return to “normal” if in fact we ever do at all
You have no idea that any of that is true - no idea at all.
i have no idea if it’s phased? the government have already set out some of their plans , which are .., you got it ... not all happening at the same time
“some businesses are not allowed to reopen” - i have no idea that its true this scenario would not be the same as everything has returned to normal... really???
and i already have confirmation from my company that working in the office will never be the same for us again ... that will probably be down to cost and efficiency savings rather than the virus but its an example of how i know for some people “normal” as they knew it will never return at all
so please enlighten me where any of that was information i did not know to be true?
Your comments about normal and the nature of normality. "
okay so for clarity since you are being pedantic,
by normal i mean what people were used to before the virus, i am well aware that normal as a concept is forever changing and at an even faster pace now than previously |
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By *arkb73Man
over a year ago
Cheshire/Staffs |
"Apparently Boris has said he thinks or wants everything back to normal by July. Then we all have to individually choose our normal
D
i doubt thats true or there would be no need for a furlough extension to october
Business's that have been told they can open, can stop furlough with 24hrs notice, gov are asking for them to try for 48hrs notice, the extension is for the business's that they dont want to open yet, some entertainment and hospitality buisness's for instance
but if there is business you don't want to open yet then thats surely not everything back to normal ?
some things might be more like normal by july but its all going to be phased snd will take much longer to return to “normal” if in fact we ever do at all
You have no idea that any of that is true - no idea at all.
i have no idea if it’s phased? the government have already set out some of their plans , which are .., you got it ... not all happening at the same time
“some businesses are not allowed to reopen” - i have no idea that its true this scenario would not be the same as everything has returned to normal... really???
and i already have confirmation from my company that working in the office will never be the same for us again ... that will probably be down to cost and efficiency savings rather than the virus but its an example of how i know for some people “normal” as they knew it will never return at all
so please enlighten me where any of that was information i did not know to be true?
Your comments about normal and the nature of normality.
okay so for clarity since you are being pedantic,
by normal i mean what people were used to before the virus, i am well aware that normal as a concept is forever changing and at an even faster pace now than previously "
But you didn’t say that did you? You went for the drama instead. |
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over a year ago
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"Apparently Boris has said he thinks or wants everything back to normal by July. Then we all have to individually choose our normal
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i doubt thats true or there would be no need for a furlough extension to october
Business's that have been told they can open, can stop furlough with 24hrs notice, gov are asking for them to try for 48hrs notice, the extension is for the business's that they dont want to open yet, some entertainment and hospitality buisness's for instance
but if there is business you don't want to open yet then thats surely not everything back to normal ?
some things might be more like normal by july but its all going to be phased snd will take much longer to return to “normal” if in fact we ever do at all
You have no idea that any of that is true - no idea at all.
i have no idea if it’s phased? the government have already set out some of their plans , which are .., you got it ... not all happening at the same time
“some businesses are not allowed to reopen” - i have no idea that its true this scenario would not be the same as everything has returned to normal... really???
and i already have confirmation from my company that working in the office will never be the same for us again ... that will probably be down to cost and efficiency savings rather than the virus but its an example of how i know for some people “normal” as they knew it will never return at all
so please enlighten me where any of that was information i did not know to be true?
Your comments about normal and the nature of normality.
okay so for clarity since you are being pedantic,
by normal i mean what people were used to before the virus, i am well aware that normal as a concept is forever changing and at an even faster pace now than previously
But you didn’t say that did you? You went for the drama instead. "
what drama? i used the word normal in its most commonly accepted understanding?
its not dramatic to suggest that life after covid is going to look different to what it did before and even the elements that do end up looking the exact same will take a bit of time to get there
i very carefully worded that so as not to use this incredibly misleading concept of normal  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"People had bareback sex before covid. Same thing.
Not the same thing at all
not the exact same but it is the same theory... people knew what the risks were and acted to protect themselves accordingly or did not ... its a new risk but people’s behaviour in risk assessing probably wont change much
If I catch an STI through a fab meet I cannot then transmit it to family and friends , the risk spreading is far greater with COVID than with an STI
Not strictly true as you could transmit it before you find out you have been infected.
That’s my point, you can’t compare catching an STI with COVID.
Yes you can, you’re missing the point. "
No you can’t. 1 person can infect millions with COVID in months , an STI would take years and years . |
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"People had bareback sex before covid. Same thing.
Not the same thing at all
not the exact same but it is the same theory... people knew what the risks were and acted to protect themselves accordingly or did not ... its a new risk but people’s behaviour in risk assessing probably wont change much
If I catch an STI through a fab meet I cannot then transmit it to family and friends , the risk spreading is far greater with COVID than with an STI
Not strictly true as you could transmit it before you find out you have been infected.
That’s my point, you can’t compare catching an STI with COVID.
Yes you can, you’re missing the point.
No you can’t. 1 person can infect millions with COVID in months , an STI would take years and years . "
Highly unlikely as they would normally get symptoms in about four days. |
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Right now I'm not even thinking about meets & doubt I will be for quite some time. I am however very much looking forward to the time, whenever that may be, when M & I will be able to at least cuddle again!
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Thing is how are we going to meet anyone, not just on here,how you going to chat someone up in a bar from 2 meters, or even get to take them home if social distancing is still being advised after lockdown |
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"We need to use a little common sense as a vaccine may be a long way off. This virus is going to be around for a very long time, and will keep resurfacing it's ugly head.
It's about taking a calculated risk. If you are fit and healthy then the risks of the virus being dangerous are relatively minimal. If you have swinging friends who you can trust reasonably well, and they've been adhering to lockdown as much as possible and you have been, then we would feel happy to meet them.
We would meet them privately and will be limiting the public areas where we go.
Life has to keep moving forwards."
I agree with you completely!
Can’t wait for the hotels to reopen.... |
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By *upoftea OP Man
over a year ago
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Obviously a good topic and everyone has their own valid opinion although we will all be waiting for a definitive answer on this whether it comes in a few months or with us forever !
I hope n pray for a vaccine so that we can enjoy the life and stories of our older generations before that ship sails |
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"I use to go to a couple of parties and 1 or 2 private meets a month,it will be changing for me when we do get go ahead,probably near July when hospitality reopens
I will leave the parties for now to minimize risks as no point if have to still social distance,it won't be the same
I may meet up privately with some of my known friends,that way I know exactly who I'm meeting and they are contactable
I don't think I will meet strangers for a long time,better the devil I know
You're absolutely at the same risk with people you know as with strangers, unless you and the other person self isolate completely, which of course means you can't go out to meet ......
i would imagine you have a better level of trust built up with someone you know than a stranger though
the same level of risk is not true, every interaction increases the likelihood of risk , someone with less interaction is statistically carrying less risk, albeit it i am aware only takes one interaction to contract the virus, probability of it happening is lower
i would trust someone i know to be more likely to cancel if they were feeling under the weather, or if they had been in contact with people that are working in high risk areas etc, way more than i would trust a stranger that just wants laid with another stranger to provide me with that same level of honesty and care "
As I mentioned at the beginning,I wouldn't be meeting till safe to do so,probably july when hospitality reopens,'probably' is at a guess,not concrete
The guys I meet privately that I've known a long time communicate very well with me,they understand it could be weeks if not months,before I meet them,they are fully aware of my job,I've come to terms with my celibacy life for a while yet  |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"People had bareback sex before covid. Same thing.
Not the same thing at all
not the exact same but it is the same theory... people knew what the risks were and acted to protect themselves accordingly or did not ... its a new risk but people’s behaviour in risk assessing probably wont change much
If I catch an STI through a fab meet I cannot then transmit it to family and friends , the risk spreading is far greater with COVID than with an STI
Not strictly true as you could transmit it before you find out you have been infected.
That’s my point, you can’t compare catching an STI with COVID.
Yes you can, you’re missing the point.
No you can’t. 1 person can infect millions with COVID in months , an STI would take years and years . "
You are way off the point. Seems like the penny hasn’t dropped and you didn’t grasp what the previous poster was saying. You probably never will by the look of it |
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over a year ago
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"Interested to hear everyone’s view when lockdown finishes .... lots of profiles stating ‘up For fun when lockdown finishes’ but the virus is still going to be out there...
Are people thinking that they will be safe when meeting new partners or will people take a more sensible approach ? "
There are many meeting even now going by statuses. |
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over a year ago
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"People had bareback sex before covid. Same thing.
Not the same thing at all
not the exact same but it is the same theory... people knew what the risks were and acted to protect themselves accordingly or did not ... its a new risk but people’s behaviour in risk assessing probably wont change much
If I catch an STI through a fab meet I cannot then transmit it to family and friends , the risk spreading is far greater with COVID than with an STI
Not strictly true as you could transmit it before you find out you have been infected.
That’s my point, you can’t compare catching an STI with COVID.
Yes you can, you’re missing the point.
No you can’t. 1 person can infect millions with COVID in months , an STI would take years and years . "
Just to put another perspective on this for both of you....
Compare the % death rate of both with someone infected by either, treatment, reinfection etc.
Question for anyone. Has there be a documented case of reinfection of Covid? Until this happens, and such data is looked at there are sooooo many unanswered questions which are just being assumed at this present time. |
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"The virus may always be out there.. so yes I will be meeting as soon as I can "
Definitely we have the same approach.
We can hide now for years,just need to live.Mr job is base on travel around world each week so no more risk from swinging than his job for us.
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"Mr job is base on travel around world each week so no more risk from swinging than his job for us.
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So when he is allowed to travel round the world again that would be a safer time to resume swinging, not before. |
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Just been reading all the comments its all about common sense but what i can say is ive had the virus and there are millions of others who have had some dont know they have had it ...for the people who definitely know they have had it then i cant see a problem in those people mixing as you arnt supposed to get it again but until they have said for sure and that you cant pass it on just stay safe in mean time look at other countries like new Zealand as our nations leader advisors havnt a Scooby what they are doing |
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The swob testing only works if tested in first few days or it comes back negative the blood test is the only one that works and they arnt offering that to everyone hardly anyone so if you have the symptoms for 4-5 days they tell you not to bother getting the test just isolate for 2 weeks at home so the amount of people who have had it or have it is at least triple the figures i got tested and getting over it |
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Rather predictably, the way this seems to be turning is that you're now expected to put yourself at risk if it serves business or the economy. The message is that if you can isolate and work from home, you still should, but if your job requires you to be in an office or on site, you should be commuting there. Often on public transport that makes adequate social distancing impossible.
The government only cares about the numbers and the economy. If they can get people back to work while keeping the R number below 1, that's what they'll do, and that's what they're currently experimenting with. Stuff you having a social or sex life, because that isn't serving business or the economy. Your government mandated priorities, in order, are now:
1) Playing your part getting business back up and running.
2) Trying to avoid catching the virus.
3) Any form of social or sex life.
With so many people having to expose themselves to risk for work, does it still make sense to prohibit meeting socially or for sex? Yes, those who are successfully self-isolating should probably continue to do so, in order to keep the numbers down. But once I start doing site visits again, I'll be up for meeting for again, too (albeit not through Fab, since it's still against the rules here.) |
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Many have still been meeting. Just look at statuses, very clearly looking meets or had a meet. They can still verify but it won't be displayed which is a strange policy. Fab should have stopped verifications all together. They allowed cam verifications and so presumably without reprogramming it left the door for meet verifications to be sent too. |
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By *nnnikCouple
over a year ago
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"Interested to hear everyone’s view when lockdown finishes .... lots of profiles stating ‘up For fun when lockdown finishes’ but the virus is still going to be out there...
Are people thinking that they will be safe when meeting new partners or will people take a more sensible approach ? "
when the lockdown is over fab will still be exactly the same, fakes pretending so there will be no risk.... Nik |
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"Paranoia on an epic level, all logic out of the window? The flu kills just as many but we don't go all mental over it... Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery.... Nik"
Ask yourself what would the flu death rate be without vaccinations? And you talk about logic? |
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"The virus may always be out there.. so yes I will be meeting as soon as I can "
Hear hear.
There's always going to be risk in society.
Comes at time when we will have to take a chance and come out of hiding.
This virus seems to be mostly killing off the very old and the very sick.
Those people will need to keep self-isolating as much as possible. But the rest of us are going to have to take a chance sooner or later and get things back to as normal as we can. |
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"Paranoia on an epic level, all logic out of the window? The flu kills just as many but we don't go all mental over it... Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery.... Nik
Ask yourself what would the flu death rate be without vaccinations? And you talk about logic?"
What is the point you're trying to make? |
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"Paranoia on an epic level, all logic out of the window? The flu kills just as many but we don't go all mental over it... Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery.... Nik"
There’s a vaccine for the seasonal flu for the weakest and most vulnerable.. having said that, 30K + deaths (just in the U.K.) in 2 months seems like a bigger number than regular deaths from flu
I’m not saying we don’t need to try go back to some sort of normality, but denying what’s been going on or saying it’s just a cold... only because you haven’t been personally affected. Is . Insane! |
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Public Health England doesn't record actually flu mortality, but rather it estimates them.
The there's been a steady decreasing trend in the effectiveness of the flu vaccines since 2010. In 2010/11 it was nearly 60% effective with a big dip in 2014/15 at only 19% and last year it was recorded as 29%. There's some hit and miss at calculating which strain will be prevalent and so which vaccine to stock up on.
With vaccines, the WHO say globally the death rate is between 0.1-0.2%. Be interesting in a few more weeks what the % will be for covid without a vaccine. |
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"Many have still been meeting. Just look at statuses, very clearly looking meets or had a meet. They can still verify but it won't be displayed which is a strange policy. Fab should have stopped verifications all together. They allowed cam verifications and so presumably without reprogramming it left the door for meet verifications to be sent too."
Cam verifications are a joke. The biggest problem with the verification system is that someone can cam verify another user, and that user (who's never met anyone and never will) can then mutually meet verify with someone else, probably up to the same trick.
And I don't see why you can't still do historic meet verifications. For example, I've had someone come back with a new account, I've confirmed that I've met him, but right now, I don't feel like I can give him a veri, because the whole Fab world will come down on both of us like a ton of bricks. |
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"Paranoia on an epic level, all logic out of the window? The flu kills just as many but we don't go all mental over it... Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery.... Nik
Ask yourself what would the flu death rate be without vaccinations? And you talk about logic?
What is the point you're trying to make?"
My point is as you say the flu kills approx 300,000 a year and that's with a vaccine, because there is a vaccine we can't really do much more. Covid 19 has no vaccine as of yet so we should be doing everything in our power to protect those around us, not easing restrictions which will cause a second and third wave of the virus. |
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When lockdown is over i dont see it as being a green light to meet, unlocking will be a gradual process over the coming months but social distancing rules will be among the last to be relaxed, im afraid we have months to go yet before it will be safe to meet maybe even a year until next spring |
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"Paranoia on an epic level, all logic out of the window? The flu kills just as many but we don't go all mental over it... Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery.... Nik
Ask yourself what would the flu death rate be without vaccinations? And you talk about logic?
What is the point you're trying to make?
My point is as you say the flu kills approx 300,000 a year and that's with a vaccine, because there is a vaccine we can't really do much more. Covid 19 has no vaccine as of yet so we should be doing everything in our power to protect those around us, not easing restrictions which will cause a second and third wave of the virus."
So you're suggesting a sever lockdown for 5 to 10 years ? |
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"People had bareback sex before covid. Same thing.
Not the same thing at all
not the exact same but it is the same theory... people knew what the risks were and acted to protect themselves accordingly or did not ... its a new risk but people’s behaviour in risk assessing probably wont change much
If I catch an STI through a fab meet I cannot then transmit it to family and friends , the risk spreading is far greater with COVID than with an STI
Exactly!"
Just a thought.
If you caught an STI from a fab meet you obviously wouldn't pass it on to family but you would pass it on to your next fab meet as your not playing safe as your comment suggests. |
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The risk is the same with friends as it is with strangers. Obviously you would expect your friends to say that they were unwell but with some people not showing symptoms for up to two weeks how will we ever tell.
I enjoy swinging and have done for 8 years so I'll be out meeting again when the lockdown is over. The clubs won't be open for a while when lockdown finishes so there will be a lot of private meets happening. And most sensible people will make a judgement for themselves as to whether it's safe or not to meet. Besides, plenty are already with no side effects |
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"Paranoia on an epic level, all logic out of the window? The flu kills just as many but we don't go all mental over it... Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery.... Nik
Ask yourself what would the flu death rate be without vaccinations? And you talk about logic?
What is the point you're trying to make?
My point is as you say the flu kills approx 300,000 a year and that's with a vaccine, because there is a vaccine we can't really do much more. Covid 19 has no vaccine as of yet so we should be doing everything in our power to protect those around us, not easing restrictions which will cause a second and third wave of the virus.
So you're suggesting a sever lockdown for 5 to 10 years ? "
Who said 5-10 years? It's been less than 3 months of lockdown and if we ease the restrictions too soon which according to the news is going to happen we will get a second wave. Given time hopefully it will mutate into a less dangerous virus, MRSA and swine flu still don't have vaccines but they have either mutated to something not as deadly or basically burnt themselves out. It takes time. |
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