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"if the elite can break the rules maybe it's time we follow suit.thoughts? lol" You know ... amazes me when people keep posting this, then on the thread "Studland" in the lounge forum, people are saying they are going there tomorrow from all over the place, and no one is saying a word | |||
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"if the elite can break the rules maybe it's time we follow suit.thoughts? lol You know ... amazes me when people keep posting this, then on the thread "Studland" in the lounge forum, people are saying they are going there tomorrow from all over the place, and no one is saying a word" Why would they? The rules have changed in the interim | |||
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"No. Just because one person breaks the rules doesn’t mean we all should. Imagine how many bank robberies there would be" Yes but it's not just one person who has broken the rules. There have been numerous people in positions of authority and responsibilty who should be setting the example who got caught not just breaking the rules but doing so massively. Even the professor who is responsible for instigating the policy in the first place chose to disregard it completely, Dominic Cummings is just the latest in a long line to get caught and I'm sure there will be others too. It's a slap in the face for people everywhere. | |||
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"Why is he elite? I hate that word and all it implies.." One of the untouchables. | |||
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"No. Just because one person breaks the rules doesn’t mean we all should. Imagine how many bank robberies there would be Yes but it's not just one person who has broken the rules. There have been numerous people in positions of authority and responsibilty who should be setting the example who got caught not just breaking the rules but doing so massively. Even the professor who is responsible for instigating the policy in the first place chose to disregard it completely, Dominic Cummings is just the latest in a long line to get caught and I'm sure there will be others too. It's a slap in the face for people everywhere." Well the question was specifically about Mr Cummings. In terms of me risking catching covid19 the entire government and its advisors could break the rules and it still wouldn't persuade me to take a chance. | |||
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"if the elite can break the rules maybe it's time we follow suit.thoughts? lol" Really?  | |||
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"No. Just because one person breaks the rules doesn’t mean we all should. Imagine how many bank robberies there would be Yes but it's not just one person who has broken the rules. There have been numerous people in positions of authority and responsibilty who should be setting the example who got caught not just breaking the rules but doing so massively. Even the professor who is responsible for instigating the policy in the first place chose to disregard it completely, Dominic Cummings is just the latest in a long line to get caught and I'm sure there will be others too. It's a slap in the face for people everywhere." Oh not you aswell?  | |||
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"No. Just because one person breaks the rules doesn’t mean we all should. Imagine how many bank robberies there would be Yes but it's not just one person who has broken the rules. There have been numerous people in positions of authority and responsibilty who should be setting the example who got caught not just breaking the rules but doing so massively. Even the professor who is responsible for instigating the policy in the first place chose to disregard it completely, Dominic Cummings is just the latest in a long line to get caught and I'm sure there will be others too. It's a slap in the face for people everywhere. Well the question was specifically about Mr Cummings. In terms of me risking catching covid19 the entire government and its advisors could break the rules and it still wouldn't persuade me to take a chance. " You are a minority I reckon loads on here are having sex nothing you can do.Not me by the way I obey the rules and stay safe but many do not | |||
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"if the elite can break the rules maybe it's time we follow suit.thoughts? lol" There’s more ‘chav’s’ than ‘elite’ breaking the rules... don’t see anyone jumping on the ‘chav-scum’ band waggon!! | |||
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"No. Just because one person breaks the rules doesn’t mean we all should. Imagine how many bank robberies there would be Yes but it's not just one person who has broken the rules. There have been numerous people in positions of authority and responsibilty who should be setting the example who got caught not just breaking the rules but doing so massively. Even the professor who is responsible for instigating the policy in the first place chose to disregard it completely, Dominic Cummings is just the latest in a long line to get caught and I'm sure there will be others too. It's a slap in the face for people everywhere. Oh not you aswell? "Me? I'm an 
I've never broken a law in my life!! | |||
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"if the elite can break the rules maybe it's time we follow suit.thoughts? lol" , How will that help anything. It's done...let's move on... | |||
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"if the elite can break the rules maybe it's time we follow suit.thoughts? lol" Only if you want to lower yourself. Or maybe hold your head up and do the right thing to protect lives. Show that you are better than the so called elite | |||
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"if the elite can break the rules maybe it's time we follow suit.thoughts? lol There’s more ‘chav’s’ than ‘elite’ breaking the rules... don’t see anyone jumping on the ‘chav-scum’ band waggon!!" *wagon If only you hadn’t been a chav and played truant for all those English lessons...  | |||
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"Omfg can't this go in the virus thread? " It is | |||
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"Omfg can't this go in the virus thread? It is" Obviously it wasn't when I wrote the post it was in "the lounge" | |||
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"Omfg can't this go in the virus thread? It is" I double checked! | |||
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"if the elite can break the rules maybe it's time we follow suit.thoughts? lol" Strange attitude I must say! | |||
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"I would love to know what Cumming has on Boris?" cumming on Boris .... maybe | |||
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"Hi everyone. Bit of good news for your Morday morning. Because of our high rates of testing and our low levels of community transmission, we're now able to plan for the coming weeks – and getting back to a few more of the things everyone's been missing. From 11.59pm on 31 May, we'll be increasing gathering limits to 20 people and allowing overnight stays. That means you can sleep over at a mate's or rent somewhere for a weekend away. And more community facilities and businesses will be able to reopen – including places like libraries, community centres, beauty therapy and tattoo studios. As with everything, these changes come with strict rules around distancing, density and hygiene. The contact details of customers and people using the facilities will also need to be recorded to allow tracing. I'm sure people will have questions about why X is allowed if you can't do Y – but this really isn't an exercise in 'whataboutery'. We've had to make some tough calls. We can't just open the floodgates on everything all at once, and risk throwing away all our hard work. I hope people appreciate this point. We have to be cautious – and careful. Then, if it all goes to plan and we're tracking okay with case numbers, we'll be able to make some more changes a bit later in the month. From 11.59pm on 21 June, that would include reopening gyms, indoor sports facilities, movie theatres – and the snow season will be able to kick off. And finally, a message to all our employers out there. I really need your help on this one. I appreciate this isn't possible for all workplaces. But if your staff are able to work from home, and have been doing so – we need to keep that going. We simply can't have thousands of people on trains and trams – let alone the logistical challenges of communal kitchens, lifts and big office buildings. I know I've said this before, but as we all have more choices and more options, it's even more important: Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should race out and do it. We've come so far – and it's up to all of us to make this work." That's good for the people of Victoria in Australia. Not sure why you're posting it here though. | |||
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"Pretty sure 99% of people on here won't risk getting a deadly virus just for a leg over, but each to their own" Depends on whether they're already risking their lives every day as key workers, or as the people who have recently been told to go back to work because they can't work from home. If you are successfully self-isolating, then perhaps it is reckless to seek sex right now. But if you and the person you're meeting are already doing jobs that put you at risk (hospital worker, retail worker, bus driver etc.) then this becomes a lot less black and white. There is no sudden end to this virus. If it's going to go away, it's going to go out with a whimper rather than a bang. So just how long are people willing to let fear of this virus dictate their lives? Another few months? Another year? Another 5 years? The rest of their lives? The answer is going to be different for different people, and as we get further into lock down, the numbers who have fallen off the wagon are only going to increase. I rather like the Dutch idea of single people picking one single fuck buddy for the duration. Our real concern as part of this promiscuous community is enabling exponential spread by keep having sex with lots of different people. | |||
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"I’d like to think that 99.9% of fabbers are better than cutcock Cummings (I think he looks like a helmet) T" Oh, I don't know. He might have some success on here with Gollum fetishists. | |||
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"if the elite can break the rules maybe it's time we follow suit.thoughts? lol" People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Let he who is without sin throw the first stone. I wonder how much of this ire is more about a political hue than a broken rule..... Them's my thoughts. | |||
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"if the elite can break the rules maybe it's time we follow suit.thoughts? lol People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Let he who is without sin throw the first stone. I wonder how much of this ire is more about a political hue than a broken rule..... Them's my thoughts. "How about this phrase? "Do as I say not as I do" The ire is because he sets government policy on this, has defied it and is being def need for doing so. Other advisors have resigned for undermining the credibility of the advice. | |||
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"if the elite can break the rules maybe it's time we follow suit.thoughts? lol" What rule did he break ? | |||
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"I’d like to think that 99.9% of fabbers are better than cutcock Cummings (I think he looks like a helmet) T Oh, I don't know. He might have some success on here with Gollum fetishists. " Ahhhh handsome shaming ..... a pretty pitiful resort. | |||
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"if the elite can break the rules maybe it's time we follow suit.thoughts? lol You know ... amazes me when people keep posting this, then on the thread "Studland" in the lounge forum, people are saying they are going there tomorrow from all over the place, and no one is saying a word" It's like a school playground or two kids fighting cos one has something the other doesn't. What happened to 2 wrongs not making a right. | |||
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"“He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her.” " Funniest thing i've read all week ! | |||
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"if the elite can break the rules maybe it's time we follow suit.thoughts? lol What rule did he break ?" He completetly ignored the advice that, he himself helped write. Advice that millions of others followed. There is the argument he was trying to get childcare. What from his parents, parents that are in the age bracket that are most at risk? This government is telling you to literally ignore the evidence of your own eyes and ears. The sad fact is, a lot of people will continue to. | |||
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"if the elite can break the rules maybe it's time we follow suit.thoughts? lol What rule did he break ? He completetly ignored the advice that, he himself helped write. Advice that millions of others followed. There is the argument he was trying to get childcare. What from his parents, parents that are in the age bracket that are most at risk? This government is telling you to literally ignore the evidence of your own eyes and ears. The sad fact is, a lot of people will continue to." Thank you. Which part of the advice did he ignore ? | |||
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"if the elite can break the rules maybe it's time we follow suit.thoughts? lol What rule did he break ? He completetly ignored the advice that, he himself helped write. Advice that millions of others followed. There is the argument he was trying to get childcare. What from his parents, parents that are in the age bracket that are most at risk? This government is telling you to literally ignore the evidence of your own eyes and ears. The sad fact is, a lot of people will continue to. Thank you. Which part of the advice did he ignore ?" Stay at home. The message was simple. So many have managed it. | |||
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"Do you know what ! I have been backing him as I believed he travelled on the day of the lockdown. Now on checking it seems that he travelled during lockdown. I'm going to have to re check the dates n facts....... I still don't want him to go though. ( im not a dom lover or a tory but I detest the blind hatred that drives these rallies ) " He would of infected another household. For me, I don't care what party, Labour, Lib dem, Tory, Monster Raving Loony... If you set those rules, you don't break them. 'Lead by example' surely? It's not really about that though, it's trust and how this government just manipulates the truth. It's so dangerous, even more when people accept that manipulation | |||
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"Do you know what ! I have been backing him as I believed he travelled on the day of the lockdown. Now on checking it seems that he travelled during lockdown. I'm going to have to re check the dates n facts....... I still don't want him to go though. ( im not a dom lover or a tory but I detest the blind hatred that drives these rallies ) " For me it's not political or hatred, it's what Cummings represents and his policy making position within the government. The guidelines will now be ignored by people who'd previously adhered to them. The only way for the government to reclaim credibility is for Cummings to be sacked, that way the public will see noone is immune from the consequences of ignoring/fudging the guidelines. | |||
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"Once again, for those who are arguing without doing any reading, here are the rules. Please highlight where you can drive to the home of a vulnerable patent, or even any other location, in case both parents 'might' become ill and require help with childcare: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children Stay at home: guidance for households with possible coronavirus (COVID-19) infection Updated 18 May 2020 "Main messages if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for at least 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information) after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms: do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999 if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again"" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities | |||
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"Do you know what ! I have been backing him as I believed he travelled on the day of the lockdown. Now on checking it seems that he travelled during lockdown. I'm going to have to re check the dates n facts....... I still don't want him to go though. ( im not a dom lover or a tory but I detest the blind hatred that drives these rallies ) " Right granny I'll first get out of the way I'm a labour supporter. But that is nothing to do with this as it's not a party political thing . There are 2 reasons why I think he should go. 1 The Northeast and Yorkshire had very little infection rate at that time, but where he came from london had shed loads. I hope this is really looked into as they can gather his and his family movements while up here..its not hard to do with technology. 2 his actions of the one law for me and another for the plebs has really put the lockdown in jeopardy. And I'll add a third as it just looks downright hypocritical with the double standards and the twisting of the rules. Yeah he needs to go granny | |||
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"Once again, for those who are arguing without doing any reading, here are the rules. Please highlight where you can drive to the home of a vulnerable patent, or even any other location, in case both parents 'might' become ill and require help with childcare: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children Stay at home: guidance for households with possible coronavirus (COVID-19) infection Updated 18 May 2020 "Main messages if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for at least 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information) after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms: do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999 if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities" That does explain quite a lot to be honest. Cummings himself is what we used to describe as a little eccentric. He comes across as abrupt and slightly odd and wears strange clothes. If what you say is true I am glad I have not joined the mob calling for his head, it's unkind and they should be ashamed of themselves. | |||
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"Once again, for those who are arguing without doing any reading, here are the rules. Please highlight where you can drive to the home of a vulnerable patent, or even any other location, in case both parents 'might' become ill and require help with childcare: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children Stay at home: guidance for households with possible coronavirus (COVID-19) infection Updated 18 May 2020 "Main messages if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for at least 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information) after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms: do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999 if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities" I believe the 'rule' permitted others to leave their homes to provide care for a vulnerable person so a family member/volunteer would have been allowed to go to the Cummings' permanent address to provide care for the child if the need did arise. It didn't mention taking the vulnerable person elsewhere, not that I'm aware of anyway. | |||
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"No one needed that. Just the dates he travelled thanks. " No one needs the advice to know if he followed the advice? | |||
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"B.T.W....... an 'updated message' can't be used to call into question what was done before the update. Have you got the earlier version please ?" You know that he didn't flaunt the advice so you must have read it, right? So where is it? | |||
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"Once again, for those who are arguing without doing any reading, here are the rules. Please highlight where you can drive to the home of a vulnerable patent, or even any other location, in case both parents 'might' become ill and require help with childcare: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children Stay at home: guidance for households with possible coronavirus (COVID-19) infection Updated 18 May 2020 "Main messages if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for at least 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information) after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms: do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999 if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities I believe the 'rule' permitted others to leave their homes to provide care for a vulnerable person so a family member/volunteer would have been allowed to go to the Cummings' permanent address to provide care for the child if the need did arise. It didn't mention taking the vulnerable person elsewhere, not that I'm aware of anyway." Apologies I misunderstood your post I don't think autism puts someone in the shielding category to be classed as vulnerable from a medical/shielding perspective | |||
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"if the elite can break the rules maybe it's time we follow suit.thoughts? lol" Immature thought process. Grow up. | |||
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"I’d like to think that 99.9% of fabbers are better than cutcock Cummings (I think he looks like a helmet) T" | |||
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"Once again, for those who are arguing without doing any reading, here are the rules. Please highlight where you can drive to the home of a vulnerable patent, or even any other location, in case both parents 'might' become ill and require help with childcare: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children Stay at home: guidance for households with possible coronavirus (COVID-19) infection Updated 18 May 2020 "Main messages if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for at least 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information) after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms: do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999 if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities I believe the 'rule' permitted others to leave their homes to provide care for a vulnerable person so a family member/volunteer would have been allowed to go to the Cummings' permanent address to provide care for the child if the need did arise. It didn't mention taking the vulnerable person elsewhere, not that I'm aware of anyway." As a parent of an autistic child myself, bringing a new face or carer into the environment would not have been possible. Firstly not many carers would have done it, secondly autistic children don't like sudden change, going to his grandparents would not have been strange for him, but having a new person caring for him, could have completely upset the balance. My son won't leave me alone, if I'm sick in the same house as him, he would not understand that he needs to stay away from me, he would cry outside my bedroom door until he could come in. My son had a full 3 hours meltdown at his nursery which only stopped when I picked him up, the reason, the weather was bad so he couldn't go outside, so his routine ws disrupted.... There are alot complexities in looking after autistic children, and an obvious solution to us, is not always so obvious for autistic children | |||
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" ... Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities That does explain quite a lot to be honest. Cummings himself is what we used to describe as a little eccentric. He comes across as abrupt and slightly odd and wears strange clothes. If what you say is true I am glad I have not joined the mob calling for his head, it's unkind and they should be ashamed of themselves. " If this is true then they need to say so. Like Boris said last night, Cummings should say himself what happened. It shouldn't be up to his cronies to defend him as it just looks pathetic. I can understand why he may have been very worried at that time. It was right at the start of lockdown when people were very scared. Panic buying, trapped at home, we had never been in such a situation before. It was surreal. I am sure most parents would move the earth to help and protect their kids. But the fact that at least 1 member of the family was infected means they should have stayed home. The guidance was - and is - very clear on that. | |||
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"Once again, for those who are arguing without doing any reading, here are the rules. Please highlight where you can drive to the home of a vulnerable patent, or even any other location, in case both parents 'might' become ill and require help with childcare: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children Stay at home: guidance for households with possible coronavirus (COVID-19) infection Updated 18 May 2020 "Main messages if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for at least 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information) after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms: do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999 if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities I believe the 'rule' permitted others to leave their homes to provide care for a vulnerable person so a family member/volunteer would have been allowed to go to the Cummings' permanent address to provide care for the child if the need did arise. It didn't mention taking the vulnerable person elsewhere, not that I'm aware of anyway. As a parent of an autistic child myself, bringing a new face or carer into the environment would not have been possible. Firstly not many carers would have done it, secondly autistic children don't like sudden change, going to his grandparents would not have been strange for him, but having a new person caring for him, could have completely upset the balance. My son won't leave me alone, if I'm sick in the same house as him, he would not understand that he needs to stay away from me, he would cry outside my bedroom door until he could come in. My son had a full 3 hours meltdown at his nursery which only stopped when I picked him up, the reason, the weather was bad so he couldn't go outside, so his routine ws disrupted.... There are alot complexities in looking after autistic children, and an obvious solution to us, is not always so obvious for autistic children " I understand that. I just don't recall them ever making an exception clear to the public, which if there was such an exception, every family with an autistic child should have been made fully aware of it so they wouldn't have to worry over breaking rules if they were to become unwell and could make provisional arrangements in advance juat incase. Surely every family with an autistic child is just as important and worthy of empathy as the Cummings?? | |||
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" ... Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities That does explain quite a lot to be honest. Cummings himself is what we used to describe as a little eccentric. He comes across as abrupt and slightly odd and wears strange clothes. If what you say is true I am glad I have not joined the mob calling for his head, it's unkind and they should be ashamed of themselves. If this is true then they need to say so. Like Boris said last night, Cummings should say himself what happened. It shouldn't be up to his cronies to defend him as it just looks pathetic. I can understand why he may have been very worried at that time. It was right at the start of lockdown when people were very scared. Panic buying, trapped at home, we had never been in such a situation before. It was surreal. I am sure most parents would move the earth to help and protect their kids. But the fact that at least 1 member of the family was infected means they should have stayed home. The guidance was - and is - very clear on that." If I was in the public eye I would not put my child's disability out there to be ripped apart.... Look at how horrible they are towards katie price son.... The media and society are horrible when it comes to disabilities | |||
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"So much wasted effort and bitterness being promoted over one person or anothers actions makes us think if this is the way fab forums is going is it for us..lets try and promote the positive in life not the negative..life is crap enough during lockdown without folks keep compounding it.." It's not wasted effort. If they get away with stuff like this, what else they gonna do?? They are treating us with utter contempt | |||
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"Once again, for those who are arguing without doing any reading, here are the rules. Please highlight where you can drive to the home of a vulnerable patent, or even any other location, in case both parents 'might' become ill and require help with childcare: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children Stay at home: guidance for households with possible coronavirus (COVID-19) infection Updated 18 May 2020 "Main messages if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for at least 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information) after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms: do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999 if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities I believe the 'rule' permitted others to leave their homes to provide care for a vulnerable person so a family member/volunteer would have been allowed to go to the Cummings' permanent address to provide care for the child if the need did arise. It didn't mention taking the vulnerable person elsewhere, not that I'm aware of anyway. As a parent of an autistic child myself, bringing a new face or carer into the environment would not have been possible. Firstly not many carers would have done it, secondly autistic children don't like sudden change, going to his grandparents would not have been strange for him, but having a new person caring for him, could have completely upset the balance. My son won't leave me alone, if I'm sick in the same house as him, he would not understand that he needs to stay away from me, he would cry outside my bedroom door until he could come in. My son had a full 3 hours meltdown at his nursery which only stopped when I picked him up, the reason, the weather was bad so he couldn't go outside, so his routine ws disrupted.... There are alot complexities in looking after autistic children, and an obvious solution to us, is not always so obvious for autistic children I understand that. I just don't recall them ever making an exception clear to the public, which if there was such an exception, every family with an autistic child should have been made fully aware of it so they wouldn't have to worry over breaking rules if they were to become unwell and could make provisional arrangements in advance juat incase. Surely every family with an autistic child is just as important and worthy of empathy as the Cummings??" Exceptions have been made, as an autism parent it was highlighted in the Many groups I'm part of, the exceptions are on the government website | |||
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"Once again, for those who are arguing without doing any reading, here are the rules. Please highlight where you can drive to the home of a vulnerable patent, or even any other location, in case both parents 'might' become ill and require help with childcare: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children Stay at home: guidance for households with possible coronavirus (COVID-19) infection Updated 18 May 2020 "Main messages if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for at least 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information) after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms: do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999 if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities" Vulnerable is medically vulnerable in this context. It's even clarified "(such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions)" However, if wish to extend this Cummings was not actually ill when he broke lockdown. He did this "following his instincts". He has family that could have come to collect his son should the situation have changed or could have been done from the start. | |||
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"Once again, for those who are arguing without doing any reading, here are the rules. Please highlight where you can drive to the home of a vulnerable patent, or even any other location, in case both parents 'might' become ill and require help with childcare: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children Stay at home: guidance for households with possible coronavirus (COVID-19) infection Updated 18 May 2020 "Main messages if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for at least 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information) after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms: do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999 if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities I believe the 'rule' permitted others to leave their homes to provide care for a vulnerable person so a family member/volunteer would have been allowed to go to the Cummings' permanent address to provide care for the child if the need did arise. It didn't mention taking the vulnerable person elsewhere, not that I'm aware of anyway. As a parent of an autistic child myself, bringing a new face or carer into the environment would not have been possible. Firstly not many carers would have done it, secondly autistic children don't like sudden change, going to his grandparents would not have been strange for him, but having a new person caring for him, could have completely upset the balance. My son won't leave me alone, if I'm sick in the same house as him, he would not understand that he needs to stay away from me, he would cry outside my bedroom door until he could come in. My son had a full 3 hours meltdown at his nursery which only stopped when I picked him up, the reason, the weather was bad so he couldn't go outside, so his routine ws disrupted.... There are alot complexities in looking after autistic children, and an obvious solution to us, is not always so obvious for autistic children I understand that. I just don't recall them ever making an exception clear to the public, which if there was such an exception, every family with an autistic child should have been made fully aware of it so they wouldn't have to worry over breaking rules if they were to become unwell and could make provisional arrangements in advance juat incase. Surely every family with an autistic child is just as important and worthy of empathy as the Cummings?? Exceptions have been made, as an autism parent it was highlighted in the Many groups I'm part of, the exceptions are on the government website " To add, I was told by my sons social worker, as per government guidelines, to make a safety plan for my kids in the event I became too ill to care for them.... It was there, if you knew to look for it. | |||
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" ... Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities That does explain quite a lot to be honest. Cummings himself is what we used to describe as a little eccentric. He comes across as abrupt and slightly odd and wears strange clothes. If what you say is true I am glad I have not joined the mob calling for his head, it's unkind and they should be ashamed of themselves. If this is true then they need to say so. Like Boris said last night, Cummings should say himself what happened. It shouldn't be up to his cronies to defend him as it just looks pathetic. I can understand why he may have been very worried at that time. It was right at the start of lockdown when people were very scared. Panic buying, trapped at home, we had never been in such a situation before. It was surreal. I am sure most parents would move the earth to help and protect their kids. But the fact that at least 1 member of the family was infected means they should have stayed home. The guidance was - and is - very clear on that. If I was in the public eye I would not put my child's disability out there to be ripped apart.... Look at how horrible they are towards katie price son.... The media and society are horrible when it comes to disabilities " Very good point.  | |||
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"Once again, for those who are arguing without doing any reading, here are the rules. Please highlight where you can drive to the home of a vulnerable patent, or even any other location, in case both parents 'might' become ill and require help with childcare: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children Stay at home: guidance for households with possible coronavirus (COVID-19) infection Updated 18 May 2020 "Main messages if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for at least 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information) after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms: do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999 if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities I believe the 'rule' permitted others to leave their homes to provide care for a vulnerable person so a family member/volunteer would have been allowed to go to the Cummings' permanent address to provide care for the child if the need did arise. It didn't mention taking the vulnerable person elsewhere, not that I'm aware of anyway. As a parent of an autistic child myself, bringing a new face or carer into the environment would not have been possible. Firstly not many carers would have done it, secondly autistic children don't like sudden change, going to his grandparents would not have been strange for him, but having a new person caring for him, could have completely upset the balance. My son won't leave me alone, if I'm sick in the same house as him, he would not understand that he needs to stay away from me, he would cry outside my bedroom door until he could come in. My son had a full 3 hours meltdown at his nursery which only stopped when I picked him up, the reason, the weather was bad so he couldn't go outside, so his routine ws disrupted.... There are alot complexities in looking after autistic children, and an obvious solution to us, is not always so obvious for autistic children I understand that. I just don't recall them ever making an exception clear to the public, which if there was such an exception, every family with an autistic child should have been made fully aware of it so they wouldn't have to worry over breaking rules if they were to become unwell and could make provisional arrangements in advance juat incase. Surely every family with an autistic child is just as important and worthy of empathy as the Cummings?? Exceptions have been made, as an autism parent it was highlighted in the Many groups I'm part of, the exceptions are on the government website " But you have to ask yourself this question. If it was all above board, make a statement at the time. People would have understood, just be honest. They could of avoided this story. They didn't. | |||
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"Won’t be breaking the rules.... but you just made it almost impossible for the police to do their job now... I am going to feel sorry for them now as they literally have no legs to stand on " This is exactly it. The 'Cummings Defence' - approved of by the PM - will lead to a lot of non-payment of fines. | |||
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"Once again, for those who are arguing without doing any reading, here are the rules. Please highlight where you can drive to the home of a vulnerable patent, or even any other location, in case both parents 'might' become ill and require help with childcare: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children Stay at home: guidance for households with possible coronavirus (COVID-19) infection Updated 18 May 2020 "Main messages if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for at least 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information) after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms: do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999 if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities I believe the 'rule' permitted others to leave their homes to provide care for a vulnerable person so a family member/volunteer would have been allowed to go to the Cummings' permanent address to provide care for the child if the need did arise. It didn't mention taking the vulnerable person elsewhere, not that I'm aware of anyway. As a parent of an autistic child myself, bringing a new face or carer into the environment would not have been possible. Firstly not many carers would have done it, secondly autistic children don't like sudden change, going to his grandparents would not have been strange for him, but having a new person caring for him, could have completely upset the balance. My son won't leave me alone, if I'm sick in the same house as him, he would not understand that he needs to stay away from me, he would cry outside my bedroom door until he could come in. My son had a full 3 hours meltdown at his nursery which only stopped when I picked him up, the reason, the weather was bad so he couldn't go outside, so his routine ws disrupted.... There are alot complexities in looking after autistic children, and an obvious solution to us, is not always so obvious for autistic children I understand that. I just don't recall them ever making an exception clear to the public, which if there was such an exception, every family with an autistic child should have been made fully aware of it so they wouldn't have to worry over breaking rules if they were to become unwell and could make provisional arrangements in advance juat incase. Surely every family with an autistic child is just as important and worthy of empathy as the Cummings?? Exceptions have been made, as an autism parent it was highlighted in the Many groups I'm part of, the exceptions are on the government website " Where is the link? Is there an exception that allows for you driving an infected individual across the country to another location? | |||
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"Can't really believe some people are asking 'what's he done?" Apart from broke the lockdown. Apart from the farcical attention-seeking running out of the back door of Number 10 to distract attention from his glove puppet on the news. Apart from interfering in the Science Advisory Group of Experts meeting - and he is NOT expert in any kind of science and should not have even been there. Apart from asking his mate along as well, whose 'science' qualification was manipulating Facebook data illegally. Apart from awarding multi-million government contracts to his friends' friends, without even a public bidding process. Apart from lying, with the rest of HMG, about his whereabouts during lockdown when the police have confirmed he was where he should not have been and HMG has basically said everyone is lying. And still he will be there, because the voting public loves liars and frauds. They knew what they were voting for. Demanding he should be sacked is like asking Orville to sack Keith Harris. He isn't everything that's wrong with this country. The PM, a middle-class boy pretending to be an aristocrat, lying, cheating, relying on the bank of Mum & Dad, patronising the plebs with a bit of cod-Latin half-remembered from school and allowed to make speeches chiefly comprised of 'er' and 'um', is. Actually, even that's wrong. What's wrong with this entire country is that this pathetic comedy act gets voted for, again and again, while the only thing the alleged Opposition could do was put up someone so totally, transparently unelectable. Covid isn't the disease. It's a symptom." Yeah but, yeah but 'GET BREXIT DONE'....... | |||
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"Once again, for those who are arguing without doing any reading, here are the rules. Please highlight where you can drive to the home of a vulnerable patent, or even any other location, in case both parents 'might' become ill and require help with childcare: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children Stay at home: guidance for households with possible coronavirus (COVID-19) infection Updated 18 May 2020 "Main messages if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for at least 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information) after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms: do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999 if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities I believe the 'rule' permitted others to leave their homes to provide care for a vulnerable person so a family member/volunteer would have been allowed to go to the Cummings' permanent address to provide care for the child if the need did arise. It didn't mention taking the vulnerable person elsewhere, not that I'm aware of anyway. As a parent of an autistic child myself, bringing a new face or carer into the environment would not have been possible. Firstly not many carers would have done it, secondly autistic children don't like sudden change, going to his grandparents would not have been strange for him, but having a new person caring for him, could have completely upset the balance. My son won't leave me alone, if I'm sick in the same house as him, he would not understand that he needs to stay away from me, he would cry outside my bedroom door until he could come in. My son had a full 3 hours meltdown at his nursery which only stopped when I picked him up, the reason, the weather was bad so he couldn't go outside, so his routine ws disrupted.... There are alot complexities in looking after autistic children, and an obvious solution to us, is not always so obvious for autistic children I understand that. I just don't recall them ever making an exception clear to the public, which if there was such an exception, every family with an autistic child should have been made fully aware of it so they wouldn't have to worry over breaking rules if they were to become unwell and could make provisional arrangements in advance juat incase. Surely every family with an autistic child is just as important and worthy of empathy as the Cummings?? Exceptions have been made, as an autism parent it was highlighted in the Many groups I'm part of, the exceptions are on the government website But you have to ask yourself this question. If it was all above board, make a statement at the time. People would have understood, just be honest. They could of avoided this story. They didn't." Why did the press hold onto the story for so long? Why not release it at the time? The police attended the address and left without giving him a fine, so they obviously felt his reason was reasonable.... The media is hyping up something now for a reason... His sons disability is none of anyone's business. His boss and the police have chosen to not take it further. It's the media who have made a big issue after the fact | |||
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"Once again, for those who are arguing without doing any reading, here are the rules. Please highlight where you can drive to the home of a vulnerable patent, or even any other location, in case both parents 'might' become ill and require help with childcare: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children Stay at home: guidance for households with possible coronavirus (COVID-19) infection Updated 18 May 2020 "Main messages if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for at least 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information) after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms: do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999 if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities I believe the 'rule' permitted others to leave their homes to provide care for a vulnerable person so a family member/volunteer would have been allowed to go to the Cummings' permanent address to provide care for the child if the need did arise. It didn't mention taking the vulnerable person elsewhere, not that I'm aware of anyway. As a parent of an autistic child myself, bringing a new face or carer into the environment would not have been possible. Firstly not many carers would have done it, secondly autistic children don't like sudden change, going to his grandparents would not have been strange for him, but having a new person caring for him, could have completely upset the balance. My son won't leave me alone, if I'm sick in the same house as him, he would not understand that he needs to stay away from me, he would cry outside my bedroom door until he could come in. My son had a full 3 hours meltdown at his nursery which only stopped when I picked him up, the reason, the weather was bad so he couldn't go outside, so his routine ws disrupted.... There are alot complexities in looking after autistic children, and an obvious solution to us, is not always so obvious for autistic children I understand that. I just don't recall them ever making an exception clear to the public, which if there was such an exception, every family with an autistic child should have been made fully aware of it so they wouldn't have to worry over breaking rules if they were to become unwell and could make provisional arrangements in advance juat incase. Surely every family with an autistic child is just as important and worthy of empathy as the Cummings?? Exceptions have been made, as an autism parent it was highlighted in the Many groups I'm part of, the exceptions are on the government website But you have to ask yourself this question. If it was all above board, make a statement at the time. People would have understood, just be honest. They could of avoided this story. They didn't. Why did the press hold onto the story for so long? Why not release it at the time? The police attended the address and left without giving him a fine, so they obviously felt his reason was reasonable.... The media is hyping up something now for a reason... His sons disability is none of anyone's business. His boss and the police have chosen to not take it further. It's the media who have made a big issue after the fact " How do you know it was held onto for so long? Maybe it was literally only this week? They have to check they have a story. | |||
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" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities That does explain quite a lot to be honest. Cummings himself is what we used to describe as a little eccentric. He comes across as abrupt and slightly odd and wears strange clothes. If what you say is true I am glad I have not joined the mob calling for his head, it's unkind and they should be ashamed of themselves. " It's his head being called for not his son's. Having an autistic child isn't a get out of jail free card, there are lots of children with complex needs whose parents have managed to observe the lockdown measures. Remember the 13yo who died alone and denied a proper funeral? How do you think his parents feel? Cummings is the one who should be ashamed of himself. The public deserves responses to unanswered questions: How 'ill' were the Cummings? Were they physically unable to look after their son? Why did they both have to make the journey? Did they visit Barnard Castle and if so why? Was Johnson notified about the trip north? What other arrangements were considered and why was both parents travelling to Durham regarded as the best option? | |||
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"Once again, for those who are arguing without doing any reading, here are the rules. Please highlight where you can drive to the home of a vulnerable patent, or even any other location, in case both parents 'might' become ill and require help with childcare: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children Stay at home: guidance for households with possible coronavirus (COVID-19) infection Updated 18 May 2020 "Main messages if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for at least 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information) after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms: do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999 if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities I believe the 'rule' permitted others to leave their homes to provide care for a vulnerable person so a family member/volunteer would have been allowed to go to the Cummings' permanent address to provide care for the child if the need did arise. It didn't mention taking the vulnerable person elsewhere, not that I'm aware of anyway. As a parent of an autistic child myself, bringing a new face or carer into the environment would not have been possible. Firstly not many carers would have done it, secondly autistic children don't like sudden change, going to his grandparents would not have been strange for him, but having a new person caring for him, could have completely upset the balance. My son won't leave me alone, if I'm sick in the same house as him, he would not understand that he needs to stay away from me, he would cry outside my bedroom door until he could come in. My son had a full 3 hours meltdown at his nursery which only stopped when I picked him up, the reason, the weather was bad so he couldn't go outside, so his routine ws disrupted.... There are alot complexities in looking after autistic children, and an obvious solution to us, is not always so obvious for autistic children I understand that. I just don't recall them ever making an exception clear to the public, which if there was such an exception, every family with an autistic child should have been made fully aware of it so they wouldn't have to worry over breaking rules if they were to become unwell and could make provisional arrangements in advance juat incase. Surely every family with an autistic child is just as important and worthy of empathy as the Cummings?? Exceptions have been made, as an autism parent it was highlighted in the Many groups I'm part of, the exceptions are on the government website Where is the link? Is there an exception that allows for you driving an infected individual across the country to another location?" The child was infected, his wife was, and he may have been. They drove to suitable child care incase they BOTH became too ill care for the child. As I said, the information around autistic children is on the government website. Social workers of disabled children were given guidelines to follow in supporting those children, and some social workers have weighed up the guidelines against the risk of the disabled child and sometimes breaking the rules was the only solution. If I fell ill, my safety plan would require the rules to be broken, my safety plan was accepted by social services because it was the safest plan for my sons wellbeing. Luckily I've not had to use my safety plan, but as the social worker these are guidelines not laws, not everyone's circumstances are going to be covered and that's when common sense needs to be used factoring safety measures aswell | |||
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"Once again, for those who are arguing without doing any reading, here are the rules. Please highlight where you can drive to the home of a vulnerable patent, or even any other location, in case both parents 'might' become ill and require help with childcare: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children Stay at home: guidance for households with possible coronavirus (COVID-19) infection Updated 18 May 2020 "Main messages if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for at least 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information) after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms: do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999 if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities I believe the 'rule' permitted others to leave their homes to provide care for a vulnerable person so a family member/volunteer would have been allowed to go to the Cummings' permanent address to provide care for the child if the need did arise. It didn't mention taking the vulnerable person elsewhere, not that I'm aware of anyway. As a parent of an autistic child myself, bringing a new face or carer into the environment would not have been possible. Firstly not many carers would have done it, secondly autistic children don't like sudden change, going to his grandparents would not have been strange for him, but having a new person caring for him, could have completely upset the balance. My son won't leave me alone, if I'm sick in the same house as him, he would not understand that he needs to stay away from me, he would cry outside my bedroom door until he could come in. My son had a full 3 hours meltdown at his nursery which only stopped when I picked him up, the reason, the weather was bad so he couldn't go outside, so his routine ws disrupted.... There are alot complexities in looking after autistic children, and an obvious solution to us, is not always so obvious for autistic children I understand that. I just don't recall them ever making an exception clear to the public, which if there was such an exception, every family with an autistic child should have been made fully aware of it so they wouldn't have to worry over breaking rules if they were to become unwell and could make provisional arrangements in advance juat incase. Surely every family with an autistic child is just as important and worthy of empathy as the Cummings?? Exceptions have been made, as an autism parent it was highlighted in the Many groups I'm part of, the exceptions are on the government website Where is the link? Is there an exception that allows for you driving an infected individual across the country to another location? The child was infected, his wife was, and he may have been. They drove to suitable child care incase they BOTH became too ill care for the child. As I said, the information around autistic children is on the government website. Social workers of disabled children were given guidelines to follow in supporting those children, and some social workers have weighed up the guidelines against the risk of the disabled child and sometimes breaking the rules was the only solution. If I fell ill, my safety plan would require the rules to be broken, my safety plan was accepted by social services because it was the safest plan for my sons wellbeing. Luckily I've not had to use my safety plan, but as the social worker these are guidelines not laws, not everyone's circumstances are going to be covered and that's when common sense needs to be used factoring safety measures aswell " *wasn't | |||
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You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms: do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999 if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities I believe the 'rule' permitted others to leave their homes to provide care for a vulnerable person so a family member/volunteer would have been allowed to go to the Cummings' permanent address to provide care for the child if the need did arise. It didn't mention taking the vulnerable person elsewhere, not that I'm aware of anyway. As a parent of an autistic child myself, bringing a new face or carer into the environment would not have been possible. Firstly not many carers would have done it, secondly autistic children don't like sudden change, going to his grandparents would not have been strange for him, but having a new person caring for him, could have completely upset the balance. My son won't leave me alone, if I'm sick in the same house as him, he would not understand that he needs to stay away from me, he would cry outside my bedroom door until he could come in. My son had a full 3 hours meltdown at his nursery which only stopped when I picked him up, the reason, the weather was bad so he couldn't go outside, so his routine ws disrupted.... There are alot complexities in looking after autistic children, and an obvious solution to us, is not always so obvious for autistic children I understand that. I just don't recall them ever making an exception clear to the public, which if there was such an exception, every family with an autistic child should have been made fully aware of it so they wouldn't have to worry over breaking rules if they were to become unwell and could make provisional arrangements in advance juat incase. Surely every family with an autistic child is just as important and worthy of empathy as the Cummings?? Exceptions have been made, as an autism parent it was highlighted in the Many groups I'm part of, the exceptions are on the government website To add, I was told by my sons social worker, as per government guidelines, to make a safety plan for my kids in the event I became too ill to care for them.... It was there, if you knew to look for it. " Maybe some families didn't know to look for it. It could have easilly have been made clear as a specific exception to the rules at many of the daily briefings. 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" To add, I was told by my sons social worker, as per government guidelines, to make a safety plan for my kids in the event I became too ill to care for them.... It was there, if you knew to look for it. " Presumably the plan is triggered when someone becomes 'too ill to care' for their children? There's no claim the Cummings were in that position. | |||
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"It also explains why Dominic Cummings appears kind of abrupt and eccentric. He is probably a little Autistic. Everyone is happy enough to shout the praises of Greta Thurman and say how brilliant she is. Often autistic people have Brillaint ideas. Wasn't "stay at home, protect the NHS, save lives" a brilliant slogan ?. Perhaps we should be giving him a Knighthood LOL. Oh well. I think the people calling for his head had better fuck off now. Their balloon is well and truly burst." Greta Thurman attracts a lot of criticism, even from the President of the United States ffs! | |||
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"if the elite can break the rules maybe it's time we follow suit.thoughts? lol" If "the elite" started putting their hands in a fire, would you do it too? They shouldn't be allowed to break rules and should face repercussions like anyone else. But to start risking the spread of a potentially deadly virus just because someone else has acted irresponsibly is just silly. | |||
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"My first instinct was he should go for the first break of rules. So far the others have no proof. I think he should resign for the sake of the lockdown and put his version a bit latter. I expect he could be 're hired. Now though learning his son is autistic and seeing posts from those on here with an autistic child I'm not so sure. It does seem there is provision in the rules that allow a different course of action. Only those in a similar situation can know what its like" Simple solution...ask permission first before you potentially throw the government's lockdown measures plan into jeopardy! | |||
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" To add, I was told by my sons social worker, as per government guidelines, to make a safety plan for my kids in the event I became too ill to care for them.... It was there, if you knew to look for it. Presumably the plan is triggered when someone becomes 'too ill to care' for their children? There's no claim the Cummings were in that position." Had they stayed in London and become to ill how would the kid get to Durham? Bearing in mind the child is autistic, may not drive in certain cars, may only go with certain people... There is alot we don't know about how autism effects his child.... Hindsight is not present in the moment, and sometimes others logic is not always your logic.... He did what he thought was right for his family.... Was it right or wrong.... Who knows.... Do all the people here judging and throwing out all the "he should have......" actually have an autistic child? Or had the virus and suddenly have to scatter for a solution to your child's care needs.... Fine the man nd move on if it will make everyone feel better.... But for him to loose his job for doing what he thought ws right for his child.... Really? | |||
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"Do you know what ! I have been backing him as I believed he travelled on the day of the lockdown. Now on checking it seems that he travelled during lockdown. I'm going to have to re check the dates n facts....... I still don't want him to go though. ( im not a dom lover or a tory but I detest the blind hatred that drives these rallies ) He would of infected another household. For me, I don't care what party, Labour, Lib dem, Tory, Monster Raving Loony... If you set those rules, you don't break them. 'Lead by example' surely? It's not really about that though, it's trust and how this government just manipulates the truth. It's so dangerous, even more when people accept that manipulation " you points are valid about what he should have done but the point is its happened and its been and gone people are rightly annoyed, but to throw the toys out the pram and start heading out meeting who they like doesn't go back in time and change the situation or even stick it to the government like they seem to think it will , its just makes the situation more risky for everyone they come in contact with , most likely friends and family they care about if someone sets a bad example and you knows its a bad example, its totally childish to follow along with it and use it as justification for your own crappy behaviour | |||
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" What other arrangements were considered and why was both parents travelling to Durham regarded as the best option?" This is absolutely what the press at the briefing yesterday should have asked. Boris even said DC had 'no other option' or similar words. | |||
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"It also explains why Dominic Cummings appears kind of abrupt and eccentric. He is probably a little Autistic. Everyone is happy enough to shout the praises of Greta Thurman and say how brilliant she is. Often autistic people have Brillaint ideas. Wasn't "stay at home, protect the NHS, save lives" a brilliant slogan ?. Perhaps we should be giving him a Knighthood LOL. Oh well. I think the people calling for his head had better fuck off now. Their balloon is well and truly burst." He might get the credit for the "stay at home" but that has been used in many countries around the world. Dont know which one used it first though... | |||
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" To add, I was told by my sons social worker, as per government guidelines, to make a safety plan for my kids in the event I became too ill to care for them.... It was there, if you knew to look for it. Presumably the plan is triggered when someone becomes 'too ill to care' for their children? There's no claim the Cummings were in that position. Had they stayed in London and become to ill how would the kid get to Durham? Bearing in mind the child is autistic, may not drive in certain cars, may only go with certain people... There is alot we don't know about how autism effects his child.... Hindsight is not present in the moment, and sometimes others logic is not always your logic.... He did what he thought was right for his family.... Was it right or wrong.... Who knows.... Do all the people here judging and throwing out all the "he should have......" actually have an autistic child? Or had the virus and suddenly have to scatter for a solution to your child's care needs.... Fine the man nd move on if it will make everyone feel better.... But for him to loose his job for doing what he thought ws right for his child.... Really? " He had relatives in London. Is he some kind of psychic that he knew him and his wife would both have to go into ICU? I'm utterly sure there are thousands of parents that are in the same situation that have not jumped in a car and driven hundreds of miles to possibly infect an uninfected household. I'm afraid there is just too much that doesn't add up. | |||
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" The child was infected, his wife was, and he may have been. They drove to suitable child care incase they BOTH became too ill care for the child. " In which case he should have self isolated, just as everyone else is required to do in these circumstances. | |||
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"No one needed that. Just the dates he travelled thanks. " the coronavirus(2020)Act went into law on the 20th march Lockdown offically began on the 23rd march Johnson confirmed as having covid on 27th march, same day Cummings seen sprinting away from downing street we don't know the "actual" date he went up... but we know that Durham Police spoke to Cummings dad abou it on March 31th... so somewhere between 28th and 30th.... | |||
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" He had relatives in London. Is he some kind of psychic that he knew him and his wife would both have to go into ICU? I'm utterly sure there are thousands of parents that are in the same situation that have not jumped in a car and driven hundreds of miles to possibly infect an uninfected household. I'm afraid there is just too much that doesn't add up." Indeed, I suspect we're all chasing a sea of red herrings. The more I hear the more I believe Cummings and the government are creating reasons for the journey which fall within the lockdown exclusion criteria. | |||
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" To add, I was told by my sons social worker, as per government guidelines, to make a safety plan for my kids in the event I became too ill to care for them.... It was there, if you knew to look for it. Presumably the plan is triggered when someone becomes 'too ill to care' for their children? There's no claim the Cummings were in that position. Had they stayed in London and become to ill how would the kid get to Durham? Bearing in mind the child is autistic, may not drive in certain cars, may only go with certain people... There is alot we don't know about how autism effects his child.... Hindsight is not present in the moment, and sometimes others logic is not always your logic.... He did what he thought was right for his family.... Was it right or wrong.... Who knows.... Do all the people here judging and throwing out all the "he should have......" actually have an autistic child? Or had the virus and suddenly have to scatter for a solution to your child's care needs.... Fine the man nd move on if it will make everyone feel better.... But for him to loose his job for doing what he thought ws right for his child.... Really? He had relatives in London. Is he some kind of psychic that he knew him and his wife would both have to go into ICU? I'm utterly sure there are thousands of parents that are in the same situation that have not jumped in a car and driven hundreds of miles to possibly infect an uninfected household. I'm afraid there is just too much that doesn't add up." I have plenty friends and family.... My autistic son will only go to 2 of them.... Again if you dont understand autism and how it effects each individual child, you won't understand why he did what he did | |||
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"My first instinct was he should go for the first break of rules. So far the others have no proof. I think he should resign for the sake of the lockdown and put his version a bit latter. I expect he could be 're hired. Now though learning his son is autistic and seeing posts from those on here with an autistic child I'm not so sure. It does seem there is provision in the rules that allow a different course of action. Only those in a similar situation can know what its like Simple solution...ask permission first before you potentially throw the government's lockdown measures plan into jeopardy!" As I say I am not in that position so cannot judge with regards to the rules. I prefer to listen to those in that position who have the experience of looking after an autistic child. I did not know about his child or the fact that their is different provisions available. As I say my first instinct is he should have resigned for the sake of the lockdown and then come back later. | |||
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" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities" yes and no..... because the cummings family are telling has changed..... the "original" story was that they were going up that where to parents would help .... problem with that is that the parents were in the "self isolation" age group...... so the story was then changed from the "parents" helping them... to the "sister" helping them basically they travelled 260 miles north on a "hypothetical" situation.... | |||
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" Had they stayed in London and become to ill how would the kid get to Durham? Bearing in mind the child is autistic, may not drive in certain cars, may only go with certain people " You're making assumptions, we don't know what the child's needs are, besides if any of this is the case the information should be volunteered and certainly should have been cleared from outset. Incidentally we're talking here about the prime minister's closest adviser, not a single parent living in a high rise who's struggling to manage their autistic child. If the circumstances are as you describe Cummings would have open access to the resources available within the cabinet machine, at the very least he could have been isolated in a london hotel whilst monitoring his family from a distance. | |||
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" To add, I was told by my sons social worker, as per government guidelines, to make a safety plan for my kids in the event I became too ill to care for them.... It was there, if you knew to look for it. Presumably the plan is triggered when someone becomes 'too ill to care' for their children? There's no claim the Cummings were in that position. Had they stayed in London and become to ill how would the kid get to Durham? Bearing in mind the child is autistic, may not drive in certain cars, may only go with certain people... There is alot we don't know about how autism effects his child.... Hindsight is not present in the moment, and sometimes others logic is not always your logic.... He did what he thought was right for his family.... Was it right or wrong.... Who knows.... Do all the people here judging and throwing out all the "he should have......" actually have an autistic child? Or had the virus and suddenly have to scatter for a solution to your child's care needs.... Fine the man nd move on if it will make everyone feel better.... But for him to loose his job for doing what he thought ws right for his child.... Really? He had relatives in London. Is he some kind of psychic that he knew him and his wife would both have to go into ICU? I'm utterly sure there are thousands of parents that are in the same situation that have not jumped in a car and driven hundreds of miles to possibly infect an uninfected household. I'm afraid there is just too much that doesn't add up. I have plenty friends and family.... My autistic son will only go to 2 of them.... Again if you dont understand autism and how it effects each individual child, you won't understand why he did what he did " This is kind of my point to. Many on here saying just have family who were in London look after his child do not take Into account his condition and how it affects things. Only those like the above poster can know what its like | |||
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" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities yes and no..... because the cummings family are telling has changed..... the "original" story was that they were going up that where to parents would help .... problem with that is that the parents were in the "self isolation" age group...... so the story was then changed from the "parents" helping them... to the "sister" helping them basically they travelled 260 miles north on a "hypothetical" situation...." If I still lived in London, I'd have done the same as a precaution, instead of leaving it to the point where I my have not been able to drive, creating a very upsetting situation for my Son. When you have child with autism, you function differently, you become conditioned to pre preparing for everything.. A simple trip to shop requires planning on a normal day, one change and your or unplanned event means you need to abort mission because your child will get anxious. Feeding my son in the wrong plate results in him not eating that day... It siumds ridiculous, but that's the life of an autism parent, everything has to got to plan or be familiar, if it's not, all hell breaks loose | |||
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"I think you guys calling for his head including Sir Keir. Sir Keir will be bloody annoyed with his informants because they've made him look like a knob too. Dominic has got you lot sussed I'm afraid. He wrote the rules which gave him exemption. He knows how difficult it is to deal with an autistic child and that he needed that back up his parents and could not just get any old nanny in at the drop of a hat. I'm afraid you need to put your stones away again. The lesson here is be very careful about allying yourself with the virus. It doesn't like labour or the tories, it's just a virus." You are not ready to admit you have been lied to. That's fine,but it will come. | |||
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"Once again, for those who are arguing without doing any reading, here are the rules. Please highlight where you can drive to the home of a vulnerable patent, or even any other location, in case both parents 'might' become ill and require help with childcare: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children Stay at home: guidance for households with possible coronavirus (COVID-19) infection Updated 18 May 2020 "Main messages if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for at least 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information) after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms: do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999 if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities I believe the 'rule' permitted others to leave their homes to provide care for a vulnerable person so a family member/volunteer would have been allowed to go to the Cummings' permanent address to provide care for the child if the need did arise. It didn't mention taking the vulnerable person elsewhere, not that I'm aware of anyway. As a parent of an autistic child myself, bringing a new face or carer into the environment would not have been possible. Firstly not many carers would have done it, secondly autistic children don't like sudden change, going to his grandparents would not have been strange for him, but having a new person caring for him, could have completely upset the balance. My son won't leave me alone, if I'm sick in the same house as him, he would not understand that he needs to stay away from me, he would cry outside my bedroom door until he could come in. My son had a full 3 hours meltdown at his nursery which only stopped when I picked him up, the reason, the weather was bad so he couldn't go outside, so his routine ws disrupted.... There are alot complexities in looking after autistic children, and an obvious solution to us, is not always so obvious for autistic children I understand that. I just don't recall them ever making an exception clear to the public, which if there was such an exception, every family with an autistic child should have been made fully aware of it so they wouldn't have to worry over breaking rules if they were to become unwell and could make provisional arrangements in advance juat incase. Surely every family with an autistic child is just as important and worthy of empathy as the Cummings?? Exceptions have been made, as an autism parent it was highlighted in the Many groups I'm part of, the exceptions are on the government website To add, I was told by my sons social worker, as per government guidelines, to make a safety plan for my kids in the event I became too ill to care for them.... It was there, if you knew to look for it. " | |||
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" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities yes and no..... because the cummings family are telling has changed..... the "original" story was that they were going up that where to parents would help .... problem with that is that the parents were in the "self isolation" age group...... so the story was then changed from the "parents" helping them... to the "sister" helping them basically they travelled 260 miles north on a "hypothetical" situation.... If I still lived in London, I'd have done the same as a precaution, instead of leaving it to the point where I my have not been able to drive, creating a very upsetting situation for my Son. When you have child with autism, you function differently, you become conditioned to pre preparing for everything.. A simple trip to shop requires planning on a normal day, one change and your or unplanned event means you need to abort mission because your child will get anxious. Feeding my son in the wrong plate results in him not eating that day... It siumds ridiculous, but that's the life of an autism parent, everything has to got to plan or be familiar, if it's not, all hell breaks loose " So, what about, and we may know soon,if he visited the castle. That would imply, that he got caught having a jolly, and out of desperation used his sons autism to get out of the situation. I think this is only going to get worse for him. He is hoping nothing comes out that exposes the truth, because it could look very very ugly. | |||
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" I have plenty friends and family.... My autistic son will only go to 2 of them.... Again if you dont understand autism and how it effects each individual child, you won't understand why he did what he did " What he did was break the rules intended to protect the NHS and population from a deadly virus. This isn't some abstract concept that Cummings fell victim to..he was a co-creator of the lockdown measures and he failed to have a conversation with his employer before he breached them! | |||
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"Once again, for those who are arguing without doing any reading, here are the rules. Please highlight where you can drive to the home of a vulnerable patent, or even any other location, in case both parents 'might' become ill and require help with childcare: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children Stay at home: guidance for households with possible coronavirus (COVID-19) infection Updated 18 May 2020 "Main messages if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for at least 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information) after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms: do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999 if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities I believe the 'rule' permitted others to leave their homes to provide care for a vulnerable person so a family member/volunteer would have been allowed to go to the Cummings' permanent address to provide care for the child if the need did arise. It didn't mention taking the vulnerable person elsewhere, not that I'm aware of anyway. As a parent of an autistic child myself, bringing a new face or carer into the environment would not have been possible. Firstly not many carers would have done it, secondly autistic children don't like sudden change, going to his grandparents would not have been strange for him, but having a new person caring for him, could have completely upset the balance. My son won't leave me alone, if I'm sick in the same house as him, he would not understand that he needs to stay away from me, he would cry outside my bedroom door until he could come in. My son had a full 3 hours meltdown at his nursery which only stopped when I picked him up, the reason, the weather was bad so he couldn't go outside, so his routine ws disrupted.... There are alot complexities in looking after autistic children, and an obvious solution to us, is not always so obvious for autistic children I understand that. I just don't recall them ever making an exception clear to the public, which if there was such an exception, every family with an autistic child should have been made fully aware of it so they wouldn't have to worry over breaking rules if they were to become unwell and could make provisional arrangements in advance juat incase. Surely every family with an autistic child is just as important and worthy of empathy as the Cummings?? Exceptions have been made, as an autism parent it was highlighted in the Many groups I'm part of, the exceptions are on the government website To add, I was told by my sons social worker, as per government guidelines, to make a safety plan for my kids in the event I became too ill to care for them.... It was there, if you knew to look for it. " | |||
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" Had they stayed in London and become to ill how would the kid get to Durham? Bearing in mind the child is autistic, may not drive in certain cars, may only go with certain people You're making assumptions, we don't know what the child's needs are, besides if any of this is the case the information should be volunteered and certainly should have been cleared from outset. Incidentally we're talking here about the prime minister's closest adviser, not a single parent living in a high rise who's struggling to manage their autistic child. If the circumstances are as you describe Cummings would have open access to the resources available within the cabinet machine, at the very least he could have been isolated in a london hotel whilst monitoring his family from a distance." its a sad day when you are expected to make public speeches about your kids disabilities to quieten a baying mob if you had a private arrangement with your employer because of circumstances at home and it meant you got more flexibility than some of you coworkers , would you think it was appropriate for someone in your team that was pissed off to force your hand into disclosing your personal circumstances to the whole team just to satisfy them ... that’s pretty much what the media have done here but on an even larger scale | |||
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" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities yes and no..... because the cummings family are telling has changed..... the "original" story was that they were going up that where to parents would help .... problem with that is that the parents were in the "self isolation" age group...... so the story was then changed from the "parents" helping them... to the "sister" helping them basically they travelled 260 miles north on a "hypothetical" situation.... If I still lived in London, I'd have done the same as a precaution, instead of leaving it to the point where I my have not been able to drive, creating a very upsetting situation for my Son. When you have child with autism, you function differently, you become conditioned to pre preparing for everything.. A simple trip to shop requires planning on a normal day, one change and your or unplanned event means you need to abort mission because your child will get anxious. Feeding my son in the wrong plate results in him not eating that day... It siumds ridiculous, but that's the life of an autism parent, everything has to got to plan or be familiar, if it's not, all hell breaks loose So, what about, and we may know soon,if he visited the castle. That would imply, that he got caught having a jolly, and out of desperation used his sons autism to get out of the situation. I think this is only going to get worse for him. He is hoping nothing comes out that exposes the truth, because it could look very very ugly." If he did that, then thats outright flouting the rules. I can't nderstand those actions.... I can only empathise with him as a parent of an autistic child, and his decisions around his journey to Durham for his child's care if he became too ill to care for him | |||
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" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities yes and no..... because the cummings family are telling has changed..... the "original" story was that they were going up that where to parents would help .... problem with that is that the parents were in the "self isolation" age group...... so the story was then changed from the "parents" helping them... to the "sister" helping them basically they travelled 260 miles north on a "hypothetical" situation.... If I still lived in London, I'd have done the same as a precaution, instead of leaving it to the point where I my have not been able to drive, creating a very upsetting situation for my Son. When you have child with autism, you function differently, you become conditioned to pre preparing for everything.. A simple trip to shop requires planning on a normal day, one change and your or unplanned event means you need to abort mission because your child will get anxious. Feeding my son in the wrong plate results in him not eating that day... It siumds ridiculous, but that's the life of an autism parent, everything has to got to plan or be familiar, if it's not, all hell breaks loose So, what about, and we may know soon,if he visited the castle. That would imply, that he got caught having a jolly, and out of desperation used his sons autism to get out of the situation. I think this is only going to get worse for him. He is hoping nothing comes out that exposes the truth, because it could look very very ugly." If the evidence comes forth that shows he went on further trips unrelated to protecting his family like a jolly then I think like many he is banged to rights. It does not however change the events of the trip to protect his family. If the evidence is provided I would expect the police to proceed to charge him the same as if you or I had done the same thing | |||
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" Had they stayed in London and become to ill how would the kid get to Durham? Bearing in mind the child is autistic, may not drive in certain cars, may only go with certain people You're making assumptions, we don't know what the child's needs are, besides if any of this is the case the information should be volunteered and certainly should have been cleared from outset. Incidentally we're talking here about the prime minister's closest adviser, not a single parent living in a high rise who's struggling to manage their autistic child. If the circumstances are as you describe Cummings would have open access to the resources available within the cabinet machine, at the very least he could have been isolated in a london hotel whilst monitoring his family from a distance. its a sad day when you are expected to make public speeches about your kids disabilities to quieten a baying mob if you had a private arrangement with your employer because of circumstances at home and it meant you got more flexibility than some of you coworkers , would you think it was appropriate for someone in your team that was pissed off to force your hand into disclosing your personal circumstances to the whole team just to satisfy them ... that’s pretty much what the media have done here but on an even larger scale " I'll say again, if it was the case, state it at the time. This never needed to happen. Why didn't they state he situation and explain to the public at the time why he was making the trip? If it's in the guidelines, just state it, people would of understood. Hey, it may have even highlighted it to parents that did not know. They did none of this and it simply does not add up. This was all totally avoidable. | |||
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" If I still lived in London, I'd have done the same as a precaution, instead of leaving it to the point where I my have not been able to drive, creating a very upsetting situation for my Son. When you have child with autism, you function differently, you become conditioned to pre preparing for everything.. A simple trip to shop requires planning on a normal day, one change and your or unplanned event means you need to abort mission because your child will get anxious. Feeding my son in the wrong plate results in him not eating that day... It siumds ridiculous, but that's the life of an autism parent, everything has to got to plan or be familiar, if it's not, all hell breaks loose " Cummings is de facto a cabinet minister who Johnson regards more highly than some of the elected ones (ask Sajid Javid!). I doubt very much he would be worrying about what would happen if he were too ill to drive his family anywhere, there would be a high level plan that addressed those eventualities. Driving his family (with Corona symptoms) to Durham from London is actually increasing the problem because it places other vulnerable people and potential carers at high risk (his parents). | |||
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" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities yes and no..... because the cummings family are telling has changed..... the "original" story was that they were going up that where to parents would help .... problem with that is that the parents were in the "self isolation" age group...... so the story was then changed from the "parents" helping them... to the "sister" helping them basically they travelled 260 miles north on a "hypothetical" situation.... If I still lived in London, I'd have done the same as a precaution, instead of leaving it to the point where I my have not been able to drive, creating a very upsetting situation for my Son. When you have child with autism, you function differently, you become conditioned to pre preparing for everything.. A simple trip to shop requires planning on a normal day, one change and your or unplanned event means you need to abort mission because your child will get anxious. Feeding my son in the wrong plate results in him not eating that day... It siumds ridiculous, but that's the life of an autism parent, everything has to got to plan or be familiar, if it's not, all hell breaks loose " ...and taking your infected wife with you? ...and not mentioning it in your Spectator article? Wheeling out the autistic son now after seeing the public mood? Cynical at best. People have watched their loved ones die without holding their hands because that was the advice. They were not alone, nor would they have been of there was actually a problem in London. | |||
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" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities yes and no..... because the cummings family are telling has changed..... the "original" story was that they were going up that where to parents would help .... problem with that is that the parents were in the "self isolation" age group...... so the story was then changed from the "parents" helping them... to the "sister" helping them basically they travelled 260 miles north on a "hypothetical" situation.... If I still lived in London, I'd have done the same as a precaution, instead of leaving it to the point where I my have not been able to drive, creating a very upsetting situation for my Son. When you have child with autism, you function differently, you become conditioned to pre preparing for everything.. A simple trip to shop requires planning on a normal day, one change and your or unplanned event means you need to abort mission because your child will get anxious. Feeding my son in the wrong plate results in him not eating that day... It siumds ridiculous, but that's the life of an autism parent, everything has to got to plan or be familiar, if it's not, all hell breaks loose ...and taking your infected wife with you? ...and not mentioning it in your Spectator article? Wheeling out the autistic son now after seeing the public mood? Cynical at best. People have watched their loved ones die without holding their hands because that was the advice. They were not alone, nor would they have been of there was actually a problem in London." Actually he's not wheeled out his autistic child, he's not commented and Boris has said it's not his place.... But because I have an autistic child, so belong to various groups, I know he's child autistic from before all this Covid stuff.... And unlike blood hungry mobsters, I try look deeper Into why someone would do something.... I try go beyond the headlines nd try have empathy first | |||
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" If I still lived in London, I'd have done the same as a precaution, instead of leaving it to the point where I my have not been able to drive, creating a very upsetting situation for my Son. When you have child with autism, you function differently, you become conditioned to pre preparing for everything.. A simple trip to shop requires planning on a normal day, one change and your or unplanned event means you need to abort mission because your child will get anxious. Feeding my son in the wrong plate results in him not eating that day... It siumds ridiculous, but that's the life of an autism parent, everything has to got to plan or be familiar, if it's not, all hell breaks loose Cummings is de facto a cabinet minister who Johnson regards more highly than some of the elected ones (ask Sajid Javid!). I doubt very much he would be worrying about what would happen if he were too ill to drive his family anywhere, there would be a high level plan that addressed those eventualities. Driving his family (with Corona symptoms) to Durham from London is actually increasing the problem because it places other vulnerable people and potential carers at high risk (his parents)." He's autistic son doesn't understand government protocol... They can shout protocol all they like.... If that child wants a certain person, say his mana.... He ain't budging.... As I said, my son will starve before he eats out of a plate that's not his plate, or dehydrate if his drink is not in his specific blue cup.... These are care needs only a regular carer would understand | |||
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" If I still lived in London, I'd have done the same as a precaution, instead of leaving it to the point where I my have not been able to drive, creating a very upsetting situation for my Son. When you have child with autism, you function differently, you become conditioned to pre preparing for everything.. A simple trip to shop requires planning on a normal day, one change and your or unplanned event means you need to abort mission because your child will get anxious. Feeding my son in the wrong plate results in him not eating that day... It siumds ridiculous, but that's the life of an autism parent, everything has to got to plan or be familiar, if it's not, all hell breaks loose Cummings is de facto a cabinet minister who Johnson regards more highly than some of the elected ones (ask Sajid Javid!). I doubt very much he would be worrying about what would happen if he were too ill to drive his family anywhere, there would be a high level plan that addressed those eventualities. Driving his family (with Corona symptoms) to Durham from London is actually increasing the problem because it places other vulnerable people and potential carers at high risk (his parents). He's autistic son doesn't understand government protocol... They can shout protocol all they like.... If that child wants a certain person, say his mana.... He ain't budging.... As I said, my son will starve before he eats out of a plate that's not his plate, or dehydrate if his drink is not in his specific blue cup.... These are care needs only a regular carer would understand "
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"He's not the only person who has broken the rules but other government leaders, journalists and the people of Britain can't wait to get on the band wagon and want questions, want him sacked etc. If we want to get over this virus then we should stop acting like kids in a playground and support each other. He was trying to protect his kids/family like anyone else would,but as he is in the position he is everyone wants his blood. I wonder how many others have broke the rules but nothing said to them, and there are loads, thousands of people who have broken the lockdown rule,just look at Blackpool beach, Hyde Park etc on Bank Holiday. Are they all going to get sacked, no. If we worked together as a nation rather than act like kids we might find a way out of the mess we're in " You mean turn a blind eye? To the fact that the single most important advisor to the UK government in the single most important crisis of our lifetime commited a treacherous act? I think the sooner people like him are no longer in the position that they are the easier it will be to work together as a nation. | |||
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"Just announced that Cummings is to make a statement today....should he interesting..." said what will happen in the horses mouth thread... he will try an justify the trip to parents/sister to Durham won't take any questions on the daytrip to "barney" but will admit it happened.... get in front of that so that Durham Police don't charge him, and he gets a fine/caution | |||
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" Had they stayed in London and become to ill how would the kid get to Durham? Bearing in mind the child is autistic, may not drive in certain cars, may only go with certain people You're making assumptions, we don't know what the child's needs are, besides if any of this is the case the information should be volunteered and certainly should have been cleared from outset. Incidentally we're talking here about the prime minister's closest adviser, not a single parent living in a high rise who's struggling to manage their autistic child. If the circumstances are as you describe Cummings would have open access to the resources available within the cabinet machine, at the very least he could have been isolated in a london hotel whilst monitoring his family from a distance. its a sad day when you are expected to make public speeches about your kids disabilities to quieten a baying mob if you had a private arrangement with your employer because of circumstances at home and it meant you got more flexibility than some of you coworkers , would you think it was appropriate for someone in your team that was pissed off to force your hand into disclosing your personal circumstances to the whole team just to satisfy them ... that’s pretty much what the media have done here but on an even larger scale I'll say again, if it was the case, state it at the time. This never needed to happen. Why didn't they state he situation and explain to the public at the time why he was making the trip? If it's in the guidelines, just state it, people would of understood. Hey, it may have even highlighted it to parents that did not know. They did none of this and it simply does not add up. This was all totally avoidable." totally avoidable by coming out to tell the public about his private personal circumstances , i am completely in awe that your mindset is so entitled that you think he should have been out informing the public of his sons disabilities and travel arrangements because it keep you happy you can tell when someone is privileged enough to never have had to relate to any special circumstances being made for them the way i relate to this in my head is a few years back when i had to start seeing a counsellor for my mental health, it meant me disappearing off from work at lunch time once a week and working the rest of the afternoon at home . pretty sure some of my colleagues wanted to know why 9-5 didn't apply to me ad assumed i was off on a jolly, had i had my hand forced to share my personal information with the whole team i would have struggled with that let alone volunteering the information to them all up front just incase they got a bee in their bonnet i know its not the exact same but really its a similar to you suggesting he should just have come out and announced to everyone that his son has autism and he would be moving him ... it really wasn’t anyones business until the media decided so | |||
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"Just announced that Cummings is to make a statement today....should he interesting... said what will happen in the horses mouth thread... he will try an justify the trip to parents/sister to Durham won't take any questions on the daytrip to "barney" but will admit it happened.... get in front of that so that Durham Police don't charge him, and he gets a fine/caution" This is a none story. Even Nicola Sturgeon has fallen into the trap today. They are all making themselves look like arses in next day or 2. I guarantee it. They are following the story from some hack who thought he had a scoop and it's turned out to be a total none story. It's actually quite embarrassing for anyone that says there is anything to answer for here. | |||
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"Just announced that Cummings is to make a statement today....should he interesting... said what will happen in the horses mouth thread... he will try an justify the trip to parents/sister to Durham won't take any questions on the daytrip to "barney" but will admit it happened.... get in front of that so that Durham Police don't charge him, and he gets a fine/caution This is a none story. Even Nicola Sturgeon has fallen into the trap today. They are all making themselves look like arses in next day or 2. I guarantee it. They are following the story from some hack who thought he had a scoop and it's turned out to be a total none story. It's actually quite embarrassing for anyone that says there is anything to answer for here." I doubt he will answer on here | |||
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"Has anyone seen Stephen kinnock lately.... No,me neither. "When your up the creek without a paddle! Theres always deflection eh... | |||
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"Just announced that Cummings is to make a statement today....should he interesting..." ...and taking questions which doesnt sound like a resignation... | |||
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"Just announced that Cummings is to make a statement today....should he interesting... ...and taking questions which doesnt sound like a resignation..." I very much doubt it will end today | |||
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"if the elite can break the rules maybe it's time we follow suit.thoughts? lol There’s more ‘chav’s’ than ‘elite’ breaking the rules... don’t see anyone jumping on the ‘chav-scum’ band waggon!! *wagon If only you hadn’t been a chav and played truant for all those English lessons... "Oy clever clogs, waggon is an accepted alternative spelling, just not commonly used. | |||
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" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities yes and no..... because the cummings family are telling has changed..... the "original" story was that they were going up that where to parents would help .... problem with that is that the parents were in the "self isolation" age group...... so the story was then changed from the "parents" helping them... to the "sister" helping them basically they travelled 260 miles north on a "hypothetical" situation.... If I still lived in London, I'd have done the same as a precaution, instead of leaving it to the point where I my have not been able to drive, creating a very upsetting situation for my Son. When you have child with autism, you function differently, you become conditioned to pre preparing for everything.. A simple trip to shop requires planning on a normal day, one change and your or unplanned event means you need to abort mission because your child will get anxious. Feeding my son in the wrong plate results in him not eating that day... It siumds ridiculous, but that's the life of an autism parent, everything has to got to plan or be familiar, if it's not, all hell breaks loose ...and taking your infected wife with you? ...and not mentioning it in your Spectator article? Wheeling out the autistic son now after seeing the public mood? Cynical at best. People have watched their loved ones die without holding their hands because that was the advice. They were not alone, nor would they have been of there was actually a problem in London. Actually he's not wheeled out his autistic child, he's not commented and Boris has said it's not his place.... But because I have an autistic child, so belong to various groups, I know he's child autistic from before all this Covid stuff.... And unlike blood hungry mobsters, I try look deeper Into why someone would do something.... I try go beyond the headlines nd try have empathy first " It's very much out on Twitter and Facebook. This is how he has always functioned. Slipping information out in the form that he wants "under the radar". He will lead with this in his statement. So, again, why the Spectator article giving the impression that they were locked down in London? No need if you are completely confident in what you've done. Cynical politics. He'll stay in place as the tail wagging the BoJo dog. | |||
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"Once again, for those who are arguing without doing any reading, here are the rules. Please highlight where you can drive to the home of a vulnerable patent, or even any other location, in case both parents 'might' become ill and require help with childcare: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children Stay at home: guidance for households with possible coronavirus (COVID-19) infection Updated 18 May 2020 "Main messages if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for at least 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information) after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms: do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999 if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities That does explain quite a lot to be honest. Cummings himself is what we used to describe as a little eccentric. He comes across as abrupt and slightly odd and wears strange clothes. If what you say is true I am glad I have not joined the mob calling for his head, it's unkind and they should be ashamed of themselves. " Undermining the govt's health message has resulted in 2 scientific advisors (one being the Scottish medical officer) resigning before they got pushed. The same should follow here for exactly the same reason. | |||
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"He's not the only person who has broken the rules but other government leaders, journalists and the people of Britain can't wait to get on the band wagon and want questions, want him sacked etc. If we want to get over this virus then we should stop acting like kids in a playground and support each other. He was trying to protect his kids/family like anyone else would,but as he is in the position he is everyone wants his blood. I wonder how many others have broke the rules but nothing said to them, and there are loads, thousands of people who have broken the lockdown rule,just look at Blackpool beach, Hyde Park etc on Bank Holiday. Are they all going to get sacked, no. If we worked together as a nation rather than act like kids we might find a way out of the mess we're in " Many of them have been fined. None of them framed the government regulations. None of them have undermined those regulations by disregarding them. The two other government advisors breaking the lockdown rules resigned for undermining the lockdown message. Why not him? | |||
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" Would his autistic son not fall into the vulnerable category to be moved out the house if possible? Finding suitable care for an autistic child is not always as simple as sending them to the closest family member. The medical reason for the travel that Boris refuses to discuss, is the fact that DC son is autistic, which comes with own complexities yes and no..... because the cummings family are telling has changed..... the "original" story was that they were going up that where to parents would help .... problem with that is that the parents were in the "self isolation" age group...... so the story was then changed from the "parents" helping them... to the "sister" helping them basically they travelled 260 miles north on a "hypothetical" situation.... If I still lived in London, I'd have done the same as a precaution, instead of leaving it to the point where I my have not been able to drive, creating a very upsetting situation for my Son. When you have child with autism, you function differently, you become conditioned to pre preparing for everything.. A simple trip to shop requires planning on a normal day, one change and your or unplanned event means you need to abort mission because your child will get anxious. Feeding my son in the wrong plate results in him not eating that day... It siumds ridiculous, but that's the life of an autism parent, everything has to got to plan or be familiar, if it's not, all hell breaks loose " I think you should go on tv with him tonight for support.  | |||
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"Just announced that Cummings is to make a statement today....should he interesting... said what will happen in the horses mouth thread... he will try an justify the trip to parents/sister to Durham won't take any questions on the daytrip to "barney" but will admit it happened.... get in front of that so that Durham Police don't charge him, and he gets a fine/caution This is a none story. Even Nicola Sturgeon has fallen into the trap today. They are all making themselves look like arses in next day or 2. I guarantee it. They are following the story from some hack who thought he had a scoop and it's turned out to be a total none story. It's actually quite embarrassing for anyone that says there is anything to answer for here." The power of Trump is strong in this Padawan  | |||
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"He's not the only person who has broken the rules but other government leaders, journalists and the people of Britain can't wait to get on the band wagon and want questions, want him sacked etc. If we want to get over this virus then we should stop acting like kids in a playground and support each other. He was trying to protect his kids/family like anyone else would,but as he is in the position he is everyone wants his blood. I wonder how many others have broke the rules but nothing said to them, and there are loads, thousands of people who have broken the lockdown rule,just look at Blackpool beach, Hyde Park etc on Bank Holiday. Are they all going to get sacked, no. If we worked together as a nation rather than act like kids we might find a way out of the mess we're in Many of them have been fined. None of them framed the government regulations. None of them have undermined those regulations by disregarding them. The two other government advisors breaking the lockdown rules resigned for undermining the lockdown message. Why not him?" this is the bit i agree with, him being there now is distracting from the message to the public and thats what is most important , so walk away no matter what the reasons were at the time | |||
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"He's not the only person who has broken the rules but other government leaders, journalists and the people of Britain can't wait to get on the band wagon and want questions, want him sacked etc. If we want to get over this virus then we should stop acting like kids in a playground and support each other. He was trying to protect his kids/family like anyone else would,but as he is in the position he is everyone wants his blood. I wonder how many others have broke the rules but nothing said to them, and there are loads, thousands of people who have broken the lockdown rule,just look at Blackpool beach, Hyde Park etc on Bank Holiday. Are they all going to get sacked, no. If we worked together as a nation rather than act like kids we might find a way out of the mess we're in Many of them have been fined. None of them framed the government regulations. None of them have undermined those regulations by disregarding them. The two other government advisors breaking the lockdown rules resigned for undermining the lockdown message. Why not him? this is the bit i agree with, him being there now is distracting from the message to the public and thats what is most important , so walk away no matter what the reasons were at the time " | |||
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"It also explains why Dominic Cummings appears kind of abrupt and eccentric. He is probably a little Autistic. Everyone is happy enough to shout the praises of Greta Thurman and say how brilliant she is. Often autistic people have Brillaint ideas. Wasn't "stay at home, protect the NHS, save lives" a brilliant slogan ?. Perhaps we should be giving him a Knighthood LOL. Oh well. I think the people calling for his head had better fuck off now. Their balloon is well and truly burst. Greta Thurman attracts a lot of criticism, even from the President of the United States ffs! " Using Trump? That man would criticise the second coming of Christ if he thought it would make him look good (in his own eyes). | |||
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"Autism is spread across a huge spectrum. In the video where Cummings is being accosted by the press, he is loading a ball and a bike into the back of his car. In my experience this would suggest the child (not toddler, as some keep saying!) is quite high on the spectrum. It’s not quite the same level of vulnerability as a child with severe autism. Funny how the autism excuse is being wheeled out now the shit has hit the fan. As others have said- if he didn’t think he was doing anything wrong why the cloak and daggers? And on top of that, the statement that he doesn’t “care about looking good” just adds salt to the wound. Contemptuous basterd. " Now you mention that loading the car... Is everything stage managed eh | |||
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" Actually he's not wheeled out his autistic child, he's not commented and Boris has said it's not his place.... But because I have an autistic child, so belong to various groups, I know he's child autistic from before all this Covid stuff.... And unlike blood hungry mobsters, I try look deeper Into why someone would do something.... I try go beyond the headlines nd try have empathy first " We can empathise with anyone fudging the rules because they're dealing with difficult circumstances already but that doesn't justify the action. If what he's saying is true why was no conversation had with Boris Johnson or the Cabinet Office explaining what the difficulties were and how best to address them? Whatever the outcome or the reasons, Cummings behaviour shows a significant lack of judgement for a ministerial adviser. | |||
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"Autism is spread across a huge spectrum. In the video where Cummings is being accosted by the press, he is loading a ball and a bike into the back of his car. In my experience this would suggest the child (not toddler, as some keep saying!) is quite high on the spectrum. It’s not quite the same level of vulnerability as a child with severe autism. Funny how the autism excuse is being wheeled out now the shit has hit the fan. As others have said- if he didn’t think he was doing anything wrong why the cloak and daggers? And on top of that, the statement that he doesn’t “care about looking good” just adds salt to the wound. Contemptuous basterd. " So next time my son loads something into the boot of my car I'll be sure to tell his paediatrician and Send teachers that he's not high on the spectrum, so let's mainstream the little actor, to hell with his sensory issues, and his communication problems..... I mean hell, let's stop disabled people who aren't In wheel chairs from using disabled parking bays, I mean they don't look that disabled | |||
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" Undermining the govt's health message has resulted in 2 scientific advisors (one being the Scottish medical officer) resigning before they got pushed. The same should follow here for exactly the same reason. " | |||
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"Autism is spread across a huge spectrum. In the video where Cummings is being accosted by the press, he is loading a ball and a bike into the back of his car. In my experience this would suggest the child (not toddler, as some keep saying!) is quite high on the spectrum. It’s not quite the same level of vulnerability as a child with severe autism. Funny how the autism excuse is being wheeled out now the shit has hit the fan. As others have said- if he didn’t think he was doing anything wrong why the cloak and daggers? And on top of that, the statement that he doesn’t “care about looking good” just adds salt to the wound. Contemptuous basterd. So next time my son loads something into the boot of my car I'll be sure to tell his paediatrician and Send teachers that he's not high on the spectrum, so let's mainstream the little actor, to hell with his sensory issues, and his communication problems..... I mean hell, let's stop disabled people who aren't In wheel chairs from using disabled parking bays, I mean they don't look that disabled "I am going to PM you if I can. But no I don’t believe those things at all- I’m not quite sure where you think I said that or why you have taken such offence to me suggesting he’s using his child’s disability as an excuse. | |||
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"Autism is spread across a huge spectrum. In the video where Cummings is being accosted by the press, he is loading a ball and a bike into the back of his car. In my experience this would suggest the child (not toddler, as some keep saying!) is quite high on the spectrum. It’s not quite the same level of vulnerability as a child with severe autism. Funny how the autism excuse is being wheeled out now the shit has hit the fan. As others have said- if he didn’t think he was doing anything wrong why the cloak and daggers? And on top of that, the statement that he doesn’t “care about looking good” just adds salt to the wound. Contemptuous basterd. So next time my son loads something into the boot of my car I'll be sure to tell his paediatrician and Send teachers that he's not high on the spectrum, so let's mainstream the little actor, to hell with his sensory issues, and his communication problems..... I mean hell, let's stop disabled people who aren't In wheel chairs from using disabled parking bays, I mean they don't look that disabled "And his son is 4 years old..... My son Is 5 and his functioning is at the level of a 2 year old. To yeah physically my son is not a toddler, but he still acts like one and has the mental understanding of a toddler.... I can't actually believe people in this day and age still have the "well they look OK" mentality towards disabilities | |||
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"Autism is spread across a huge spectrum. In the video where Cummings is being accosted by the press, he is loading a ball and a bike into the back of his car. In my experience this would suggest the child (not toddler, as some keep saying!) is quite high on the spectrum. It’s not quite the same level of vulnerability as a child with severe autism. Funny how the autism excuse is being wheeled out now the shit has hit the fan. As others have said- if he didn’t think he was doing anything wrong why the cloak and daggers? And on top of that, the statement that he doesn’t “care about looking good” just adds salt to the wound. Contemptuous basterd. So next time my son loads something into the boot of my car I'll be sure to tell his paediatrician and Send teachers that he's not high on the spectrum, so let's mainstream the little actor, to hell with his sensory issues, and his communication problems..... I mean hell, let's stop disabled people who aren't In wheel chairs from using disabled parking bays, I mean they don't look that disabled
I am going to PM you if I can. But no I don’t believe those things at all- I’m not quite sure where you think I said that or why you have taken such offence to me suggesting he’s using his child’s disability as an excuse. "Because my son is only a year older than his son, and yes he's not a toddler, but you can't assume his level of "in the spectrum" by looking at him.... My annoyance is not at your suggestion that he's using his sons disability, my annoyance is at your assumption that he can't be that severely autistic because of his he looks, or what toys were being loaded into the boot of the car | |||
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"Autism is spread across a huge spectrum. In the video where Cummings is being accosted by the press, he is loading a ball and a bike into the back of his car. In my experience this would suggest the child (not toddler, as some keep saying!) is quite high on the spectrum. It’s not quite the same level of vulnerability as a child with severe autism. Funny how the autism excuse is being wheeled out now the shit has hit the fan. As others have said- if he didn’t think he was doing anything wrong why the cloak and daggers? And on top of that, the statement that he doesn’t “care about looking good” just adds salt to the wound. Contemptuous basterd. So next time my son loads something into the boot of my car I'll be sure to tell his paediatrician and Send teachers that he's not high on the spectrum, so let's mainstream the little actor, to hell with his sensory issues, and his communication problems..... I mean hell, let's stop disabled people who aren't In wheel chairs from using disabled parking bays, I mean they don't look that disabled
And his son is 4 years old..... My son Is 5 and his functioning is at the level of a 2 year old. To yeah physically my son is not a toddler, but he still acts like one and has the mental understanding of a toddler.... I can't actually believe people in this day and age still have the "well they look OK" mentality towards disabilities "Okay- that is not what I said at all, you are taking words out of my mouth. I didn’t say he doesn’t have a disability. I said if he is able to play ball and ride a bike he’s on the higher end of the spectrum. Jeesh!!!! | |||
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" Had they stayed in London and become to ill how would the kid get to Durham? Bearing in mind the child is autistic, may not drive in certain cars, may only go with certain people You're making assumptions, we don't know what the child's needs are, besides if any of this is the case the information should be volunteered and certainly should have been cleared from outset. Incidentally we're talking here about the prime minister's closest adviser, not a single parent living in a high rise who's struggling to manage their autistic child. If the circumstances are as you describe Cummings would have open access to the resources available within the cabinet machine, at the very least he could have been isolated in a london hotel whilst monitoring his family from a distance. its a sad day when you are expected to make public speeches about your kids disabilities to quieten a baying mob if you had a private arrangement with your employer because of circumstances at home and it meant you got more flexibility than some of you coworkers , would you think it was appropriate for someone in your team that was pissed off to force your hand into disclosing your personal circumstances to the whole team just to satisfy them ... that’s pretty much what the media have done here but on an even larger scale I'll say again, if it was the case, state it at the time. This never needed to happen. Why didn't they state he situation and explain to the public at the time why he was making the trip? If it's in the guidelines, just state it, people would of understood. Hey, it may have even highlighted it to parents that did not know. They did none of this and it simply does not add up. This was all totally avoidable. totally avoidable by coming out to tell the public about his private personal circumstances , i am completely in awe that your mindset is so entitled that you think he should have been out informing the public of his sons disabilities and travel arrangements because it keep you happy you can tell when someone is privileged enough to never have had to relate to any special circumstances being made for them the way i relate to this in my head is a few years back when i had to start seeing a counsellor for my mental health, it meant me disappearing off from work at lunch time once a week and working the rest of the afternoon at home . pretty sure some of my colleagues wanted to know why 9-5 didn't apply to me ad assumed i was off on a jolly, had i had my hand forced to share my personal information with the whole team i would have struggled with that let alone volunteering the information to them all up front just incase they got a bee in their bonnet i know its not the exact same but really its a similar to you suggesting he should just have come out and announced to everyone that his son has autism and he would be moving him ... it really wasn’t anyones business until the media decided so" What, in awe of transparency?? So he didn't say anything and this has happened? It didn't need to happen. So, if it comes out that he was visiting castles, what defence will you mount next?? I can't wait to hear... | |||
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"Has anyone stuck to the rules 100% not bent them even slightly?. I have broke them I have visited my parents when dropping there shopping off and there is always a brew waiting for me on the wall and I sit out side chatting to them for bit from a very safe distance but that is bending the rules. " Everyone is not a government advisor who sat on the SAGE committee and framed the strategy. The one who did and broke the rules resigned so as not to undermine the message. As did the Scottish Chief Medical Officer. Why not Cummings? | |||
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"Has anyone stuck to the rules 100% not bent them even slightly?. I have broke them I have visited my parents when dropping there shopping off and there is always a brew waiting for me on the wall and I sit out side chatting to them for bit from a very safe distance but that is bending the rules. " Unless you're a cabinet member/adviser who was party to creating the lockdown measures we're all required to adhere to I'm not sure you're comparing like with like. | |||
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