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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

So who will down load the app when it’s available.

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By *allySlinkyWoman  over a year ago

Leeds

There isn't going to be an App

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By *allySlinkyWoman  over a year ago

Leeds

Also it is now test and trace. The track element has been abandoned.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Also it is now test and trace. The track element has been abandoned. "

This is suspiciously looking like another fuck up

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By *kstallionMan  over a year ago

milton keynes


"Also it is now test and trace. The track element has been abandoned. "

Are you sure they just said on the news the app is to follow early next month

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By *mmabluTV/TS  over a year ago

upton wirral

no smart phone anyway.

I do not understand why we do not use the system and apps the Germans use,why try to do are own,a bit silly

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Also it is now test and trace. The track element has been abandoned.

This is suspiciously looking like another fuck up "

Well it's been headed by a dildo....whoops sorry dido....I will go down with fishes

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By *ouble_The_DelightCouple  over a year ago

Wakefield

Now there isn't going to be an app.

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By *adetMan  over a year ago

Ipswich

Yes I'll be using it

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

I just googled it they haven’t said it’s abandoned just can’t give date of when available

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By *agneto.Man  over a year ago

Bham


"Also it is now test and trace. The track element has been abandoned.

This is suspiciously looking like another fuck up "

Surely not, they've done fabulously so far...

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By *elshsunsWoman  over a year ago

Flintshire

Nope

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By *ohnandLucyCouple  over a year ago

Newcastle


"Also it is now test and trace. The track element has been abandoned.

This is suspiciously looking like another fuck up "

It is in everyone's interests for the new system to work and it's not easy to set something like this up. Whatever anyone's reservations think everyone needs to do their bit to make this work.

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By *adetMan  over a year ago

Ipswich

Why would anyone not?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Why would anyone not?"

What you trust this bunch of clowns with your data?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Isn't Cummings sister part of the company that is meant to be doing this?

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By *allySlinkyWoman  over a year ago

Leeds


"Why would anyone not?"

Because they don't want to quarantine for two weeks and not be able to do their key worker job and then find out they havent got it after all ?

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By *adetMan  over a year ago

Ipswich


"Why would anyone not?

What you trust this bunch of clowns with your data? "

What data?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Sure I will download it for Christmas...

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By *adetMan  over a year ago

Ipswich


"Why would anyone not?

Because they don't want to quarantine for two weeks and not be able to do their key worker job and then find out they havent got it after all ? "

And what if they have got it?

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By *kstallionMan  over a year ago

milton keynes


"Why would anyone not?

Because they don't want to quarantine for two weeks and not be able to do their key worker job and then find out they havent got it after all ? "

Can you advise where you seen its been abandoned please so we can keep up to date

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By *allySlinkyWoman  over a year ago

Leeds


"Isn't Cummings sister part of the company that is meant to be doing this? "

The contract wasn't put out to tender

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By *eddy and legsCouple  over a year ago

the wetlands


"no smart phone anyway.

I do not understand why we do not use the system and apps the Germans use,why try to do are own,a bit silly"

Brexit

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By *ady LickWoman  over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

It said on the news that if you have symptoms you have to have a test if positive go onto ap and it makes, phone nos and email addresses of people you've been in contact with. Then the 'trackers' will contact them to say you have to quarantine for 14 days. Potentially locking down smaller areas as opposed to the whole country.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Would of done before the Cummings farce but won’t now. Personally feel government looking at all of us as mugs who will just accept anything they propose.

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By *etsomeMan  over a year ago

birmingham

can you say you have been in contact with people you haven't - and can people you have been in contact with deny being where you said they were. It's unworkable

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By *allySlinkyWoman  over a year ago

Leeds


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Can you advise where you seen its been abandoned please so we can keep up to date"

I said that the track element of test, trace and track has been abandoned. There is no App to download at present in mainland Britain and no date has been given when one will be available.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Test and trace is a dead duck not worked in any country yet.

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By *kstallionMan  over a year ago

milton keynes


"

Can you advise where you seen its been abandoned please so we can keep up to date

I said that the track element of test, trace and track has been abandoned. There is no App to download at present in mainland Britain and no date has been given when one will be available. "

So not abandoned just not available yet

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By *adetMan  over a year ago

Ipswich


"Would of done before the Cummings farce but won’t now. Personally feel government looking at all of us as mugs who will just accept anything they propose. "

So you're cutting your nose off to spite your face. Brilliant

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'm downloading it to my nokia 5110....might have to delete snake first tho

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Would of done before the Cummings farce but won’t now. Personally feel government looking at all of us as mugs who will just accept anything they propose.

So you're cutting your nose off to spite your face. Brilliant "

Exactly this..... I really don't get this mind set.... People are wanting to go out and get a normal life back, government offer a solution, and they all like, nah I'm not doing that... Well then stay at home.... I'll be downloading the app, if it gives me my social freedom back, they can have my address and know my movements.... I got nothing to hide anyway, if they really that interested in my life, have at it, it's fairly standard and boring other than my kinky meets

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By *ig1gaz1Man  over a year ago

bradford

I wouldnt install it.

No real interest in installing something on my phone, that allows full access to every tom dick and harry.

the software is still on going just connected up with a second nhs software instead that uses google and iphone software.

though still bugs me why military is picking up all the info first

This work will be carried out by jHub – a Ministry of Defence agency focused on supporting innovation across the armed forces. Once the data is ready for use, jHub will “securely share” it with NHSX.

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By *etsomeMan  over a year ago

birmingham

it's all getting a bit 1984. Hancock says it's a big ask. It's too big an ask in my opinion

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By *arakiss12TV/TS  over a year ago

Bedford


"So who will down load the app when it’s available. "

If I tried downloading any app on my little ?10.99 phone it will would explode.

Track n trace, wonder how that will go down with the Driscol Brothers.

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By *ENGUYMan  over a year ago

Hull

There are issues too with non-compatibility with all phones, which the Govt has accepted.

That is, the operating system only works on specific operating platforms from a certain level & above. There are also issues with IPhones.

My phone lies in the "older connectivity" bracket, so the App won't work on mine.

Other systems used globally have been acceptable on all phones regardless of age, but the UK have gone for something far different, which isn't!

Plus, it's recognised that many older people don't even possess a Mobile phone, or if they do, it's a much older phone, which is not capable of downloading Apps.

The Govt recognise these system failures but doesn't as yet have any solution.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Hmmm.....

Download the App

Get texted to say that you walked past someone who says on their App they now have the virus

You get ordered to self isolate for 2 weeks

Come out of isolation and get text again that you've walked past someone else who now says they have the virus, ordered again to self isolate for 2 weeks

Then again

and again

and maybe again

I don't see the majority going for this App to be honest.

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By *arkus1812Man  over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

Doubt it would work on my 10yr old Nokia.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS  over a year ago

Stockport

Perhaps the government should involve Sydney University to take advantage of their expertise in analysing data about people "meeting"...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I wouldnt install it.

No real interest in installing something on my phone, that allows full access to every tom dick and harry.

the software is still on going just connected up with a second nhs software instead that uses google and iphone software.

though still bugs me why military is picking up all the info first

This work will be carried out by jHub – a Ministry of Defence agency focused on supporting innovation across the armed forces. Once the data is ready for use, jHub will “securely share” it with NHSX.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman  over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

No intention of installing it at all. I don't trust them with my data and if I do develop symptoms, I can tell my phone contacts myself thanks. All sounding a bit too big brother-ish for my liking.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Test and trace is a dead duck not worked in any country yet. "

What an earth are you on about? Do you just come on and say stuff like this for a reaction?? Of course it works. South Korea??....

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By *adetMan  over a year ago

Ipswich


"Hmmm.....

Download the App

Get texted to say that you walked past someone who says on their App they now have the virus

You get ordered to self isolate for 2 weeks

Come out of isolation and get text again that you've walked past someone else who now says they have the virus, ordered again to self isolate for 2 weeks

Then again

and again

and maybe again

I don't see the majority going for this App to be honest.

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You have to have been in close proximity to someone for 15 minutes or more

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS  over a year ago

Blackpool

Its different in South Korea, they have full data on your bank Cards, your travel cards,and everyones phone, they can send a hit squad round to your house in a van within ten minutes of you leaving it. BTW, the UK app has basically been kicked into the long grass.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Its different in South Korea, they have full data on your bank Cards, your travel cards,and everyones phone, they can send a hit squad round to your house in a van within ten minutes of you leaving it. BTW, the UK app has basically been kicked into the long grass. "

Yeah, but the post said about it has not worked in any country......that is complete and utter nonsense.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Not on your nelly OP!

Have a nice day

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By *eatrice BadinageWoman  over a year ago

In a Sparkly Dress

Reading the very clear instructions on the gov website, it all seems easy enough. Same principle as the bubble method, record who you are having close contact with just in case you get symptoms, then be prepared to share those contact details with a advisor after you develop symptoms and have a positive test result. I don't expect many of us will be getting that close to a stranger tbh for some time

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By *ercuryMan  over a year ago

Grantham

Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you?

I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address?

Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened.

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By *adetMan  over a year ago

Ipswich

Has anyone ever read Googles terms and conditions and seen exactly what information you make available to them every minute of every day?

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By *xhib12Man  over a year ago

Blyth


"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you?

I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address?

Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened. "

Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman  over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you?

I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address?

Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened.

Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with."

Why can't they just tell them themselves? Would be a lot quicker!

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By *eatrice BadinageWoman  over a year ago

In a Sparkly Dress


"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you?

I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address?

Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened.

Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with.

Why can't they just tell them themselves? Would be a lot quicker! "

They are advising to do that as well

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By *allySlinkyWoman  over a year ago

Leeds

If you test positive after standing on a busy tube train for over 15 minutes within two metres of several people you could have infected them. You phone this call centre but without a tracking App how could they trace the people near you on the tube ?

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By *ercuryMan  over a year ago

Grantham


"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you?

I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address?

Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened.

Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with."

Yes, but how will the NHS trackers get my personal details to get in contact with me?

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By *sGivesWoodWoman  over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"If you test positive after standing on a busy tube train for over 15 minutes within two metres of several people you could have infected them. You phone this call centre but without a tracking App how could they trace the people near you on the tube ?"

Kind of makes the whole idea a bit of a non starter when you put it like that. This is a more likely scenario of how it is spread as well.

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By *adetMan  over a year ago

Ipswich


"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you?

I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address?

Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened.

Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with.

Yes, but how will the NHS trackers get my personal details to get in contact with me? "

You'll give them your details. Presumably they have them already anyway

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By *eatrice BadinageWoman  over a year ago

In a Sparkly Dress


"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you?

I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address?

Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened.

Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with.

Yes, but how will the NHS trackers get my personal details to get in contact with me? "

The person who had close contact with you, ie within 1 metre and for 15 minutes or longer, who develops symptoms and has a positive test, will tell the nhs tracker your details

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By *eatrice BadinageWoman  over a year ago

In a Sparkly Dress


"If you test positive after standing on a busy tube train for over 15 minutes within two metres of several people you could have infected them. You phone this call centre but without a tracking App how could they trace the people near you on the tube ?

Kind of makes the whole idea a bit of a non starter when you put it like that. This is a more likely scenario of how it is spread as well. "

All public transport will be a complete nightmare for it

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By *alking HeadMan  over a year ago

Bolton

Doesnt it use bluethooth to detect other app users? An hour of bluetooth and my phone wouldnt have any charge left!

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By *adetMan  over a year ago

Ipswich


"Doesnt it use bluethooth to detect other app users? An hour of bluetooth and my phone wouldnt have any charge left!"

The app will use bluetooth but that's not available yet

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By *sGivesWoodWoman  over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"Doesnt it use bluethooth to detect other app users? An hour of bluetooth and my phone wouldnt have any charge left!"

Mine's the same.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

As I’ve haven’t been like Mr Cummings and travelled hundreds of miles following instincts, since March I only leave my house to walk my dog or go to our local supermarket. On both these very short times out the house I virtually never carry my mobile so to be honest unless they want to know in which room of the house I’m in not a lot of point down loading anything.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you?

I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address?

Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened.

Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with.

Yes, but how will the NHS trackers get my personal details to get in contact with me?

The person who had close contact with you, ie within 1 metre and for 15 minutes or longer, who develops symptoms and has a positive test, will tell the nhs tracker your details"

How does the infected person know the names and numbers of all the people he has has contact with if they have travelled on public transport?

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By *eatrice BadinageWoman  over a year ago

In a Sparkly Dress


"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you?

I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address?

Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened.

Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with.

Yes, but how will the NHS trackers get my personal details to get in contact with me?

The person who had close contact with you, ie within 1 metre and for 15 minutes or longer, who develops symptoms and has a positive test, will tell the nhs tracker your details

How does the infected person know the names and numbers of all the people he has has contact with if they have travelled on public transport?"

That's the fail part of the plan as its impossible, to know that. Will people try avoid public transport because of the close contact with lots of other strangers anyway, but that's not helpful for those who have no choice but to use it.

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By *ercuryMan  over a year ago

Grantham


"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you?

I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address?

Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened.

Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with.

Yes, but how will the NHS trackers get my personal details to get in contact with me?

The person who had close contact with you, ie within 1 metre and for 15 minutes or longer, who develops symptoms and has a positive test, will tell the nhs tracker your details"

Many will just have my name. I only give my personal details to trusted people.

I haven't been to the Doctors for over 20 years and have moved house 3 times in that period.

I will take some tracking down!

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By *eddy and legsCouple  over a year ago

the wetlands


"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you?

I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address?

Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened.

Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with.

Yes, but how will the NHS trackers get my personal details to get in contact with me?

The person who had close contact with you, ie within 1 metre and for 15 minutes or longer, who develops symptoms and has a positive test, will tell the nhs tracker your details

How does the infected person know the names and numbers of all the people he has has contact with if they have travelled on public transport?"

Like lockdown, it's about slowing the spread not eliminating the virus

Contacting 3 of 20 people you had contact with is better than none.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple  over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

Baroness Dido Harding was appointed to head up the Governments's test and trace programme.

That be the same Dido Harding whose Wikipedia entry includes this choice paragraph:

‘In October 2015, TalkTalk experienced a “significant and sustained cyber-attack”, during which personal and banking details of up to four million customers is thought to have been accessed.[10] City A.M. described her responses as “naive”, noting that early on when asked if the affected customer data was encrypted or not, she replied: “The awful truth is that I don’t know”. Her “inflexible line” on termination fees was also criticised.[11] Marketing ran a headline, “TalkTalk boss Dido Harding’s utter ignorance is a lesson to us all”.[12] The Evening Standard noted that “It has been a tough week for TalkTalk boss Dido Harding, facing complaints from customers and calls for her head.”[13] The company admitted the hack had cost it £60 million and lost it 95,000 customers. [14]‘

You couldn't make this sh1t up.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Hmmm.....

Download the App

Get texted to say that you walked past someone who says on their App they now have the virus

You get ordered to self isolate for 2 weeks

Come out of isolation and get text again that you've walked past someone else who now says they have the virus, ordered again to self isolate for 2 weeks

Then again

and again

and maybe again

I don't see the majority going for this App to be honest.

You have to have been in close proximity to someone for 15 minutes or more "

Ok so someone gets on the tube to get to work.

Journey takes 20 mins.

gets into work at the office or where ever they work.

Later that day they get notified they was in close proximity to someone with covid go home and isolate for 14 days.

Everyone thst person worked with thst day gets told to isolate.

14 days later....

Yay i can go back to work.

Gets on train to go to work.

Invoming text....

Sorry you been in close proximity to someone that was positive with covid. Go home and isolate.

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By *estivalMan  over a year ago

borehamwood

wont be downloading an app like someone has pointed out u could spend half the time having to isolate while living on 90 quid a week.and give it a cpl months and always find a way to fiddle the system.peeps will be using it to get time off.

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By *hilMan  over a year ago

HOUGHTON LE SPRING

Whats to stop people putting in false information about who they have been in contact with, i.e., being malicious Boris Johnson, Dominic Cummings, etc,

They could be in constant lockdown

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Hmmm.....

Download the App

Get texted to say that you walked past someone who says on their App they now have the virus

You get ordered to self isolate for 2 weeks

Come out of isolation and get text again that you've walked past someone else who now says they have the virus, ordered again to self isolate for 2 weeks

Then again

and again

and maybe again

I don't see the majority going for this App to be honest.

You have to have been in close proximity to someone for 15 minutes or more

Ok so someone gets on the tube to get to work.

Journey takes 20 mins.

gets into work at the office or where ever they work.

Later that day they get notified they was in close proximity to someone with covid go home and isolate for 14 days.

Everyone thst person worked with thst day gets told to isolate.

14 days later....

Yay i can go back to work.

Gets on train to go to work.

Invoming text....

Sorry you been in close proximity to someone that was positive with covid. Go home and isolate.

"

Indeed, that's why I said I can't see the majority going for it, or the majority who use public transport.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Wont be downloading any app or allowing any tests without me having symptoms..in fact if they tell me that someone has tested positive I would probably now volunteer to look after them. So I can get it over and done with as opposed to months more of uncertainty...

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By *eatrice BadinageWoman  over a year ago

In a Sparkly Dress


"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you?

I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address?

Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened.

Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with.

Yes, but how will the NHS trackers get my personal details to get in contact with me?

The person who had close contact with you, ie within 1 metre and for 15 minutes or longer, who develops symptoms and has a positive test, will tell the nhs tracker your details

Many will just have my name. I only give my personal details to trusted people.

I haven't been to the Doctors for over 20 years and have moved house 3 times in that period.

I will take some tracking down! "

It's the trusted people they are expecting you to let get close to you for 15 mins and over, so a close friend that you have a hug and a close walk next to for example, if people keep to the social distancing measures then in theory it won't impact many and hotspots can be controlled easily

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Hmmm.....

Download the App

Get texted to say that you walked past someone who says on their App they now have the virus

You get ordered to self isolate for 2 weeks

Come out of isolation and get text again that you've walked past someone else who now says they have the virus, ordered again to self isolate for 2 weeks

Then again

and again

and maybe again

I don't see the majority going for this App to be honest.

You have to have been in close proximity to someone for 15 minutes or more

Ok so someone gets on the tube to get to work.

Journey takes 20 mins.

gets into work at the office or where ever they work.

Later that day they get notified they was in close proximity to someone with covid go home and isolate for 14 days.

Everyone thst person worked with thst day gets told to isolate.

14 days later....

Yay i can go back to work.

Gets on train to go to work.

Invoming text....

Sorry you been in close proximity to someone that was positive with covid. Go home and isolate.

"

yep be the same for nhs staff in hospitals surrounded by positive patients... Roll 14 days off woohoo

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By *ust RachelTV/TS  over a year ago

Eastbourne

If you got a message saying you must self isolate, I have to say in light of recent issues I would be very hard pressed to comply with them.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central

I'll review the app, which ee were told was to be here in mid May, when it's available. It's not suitable for all phones.

A better move would be to get people in hospitals and care homes tested and given the appropriate care that they need. Still many staff who have not had 1 test yet! Other patients and staff in these institutions are prime focus for immediate measures, never mind getting schools and businesses open for staff and others to get infected and then need to trace what's going on.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"If you got a message saying you must self isolate, I have to say in light of recent issues I would be very hard pressed to comply with them."

Just use your own instincts Boris said that’s fine.

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By *ig1gaz1Man  over a year ago

bradford

just so you know there is no legislation to protect your data if yu install the app

Labour MP Harriet Harman, who chairs the committee, said: "Assurances from ministers about privacy are not enough. The government has given assurances about protection of privacy so they should have no objection to those assurances being enshrined in law.

"The contact-tracing app involves unprecedented data gathering. There must be robust legal protection for individuals about what that data will be used for, who will have access to it and how it will be safeguarded from hacking. Parliament was able quickly to agree to give the government sweeping powers. It is perfectly possible for parliament to do the same for legislation to protect privacy."

on another note would these people below be contacted to say they had been near an infected coronavirus person

People with cancer, liver disease or severe asthma have been dropped from the UK government’s coronavirus shielding list by text message before their doctors have been able to speak to them.

The decision to remove people with various health conditions from the shielding programme has caused upset. The text also informed people they would no longer qualify for government food parcels.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

"Confuse people. Confused people are easier to control"

Not sure where this quote originated but rings true now more than ever....

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By *andlingswingersCouple  over a year ago

Woodbridge


"Also it is now test and trace. The track element has been abandoned.

This is suspiciously looking like another fuck up

It is in everyone's interests for the new system to work and it's not easy to set something like this up. Whatever anyone's reservations think everyone needs to do their bit to make this work."

"We" can't do anything to make an app work. HMG could have used one of the existing apps in development. Instead they prefer to shovel money at Cummings' friends. So long as they're well provided for nothing else matters. This continuous 'it's up to us' is just smokescreen. It was up to HMG to introduce lockdown, to screen at airports, to quarantine, to provide PPE - and they decided to do nothing except tell lies about how fabulously they're doing and have contests for "Most Inane Slogan Of The Week."

Be alert/PRotect the NHS - they could have done that by not closing 20 hospitals, by not cutting 12,000 hospital beds since 2010 and by not cutting real terms NHS funding, instead of the childish BS about funding it more than ever when even 3% inflation means you have to do that each year in order to stand still.

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By *plpxp2Couple  over a year ago

Middlesbrough

Very confused, if I am contacted then I need to isolate for 14 days, but the people I live with (and therefore have the most chance of catching anything I may have) do not

While in isolation I don't get a test unless I have symptoms, if the test it positive the isolation is 7 days, if it is negative the original 14 days stands.

Option 3 is a trip to Barnard Castle

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Very confused, if I am contacted then I need to isolate for 14 days, but the people I live with (and therefore have the most chance of catching anything I may have) do not

While in isolation I don't get a test unless I have symptoms, if the test it positive the isolation is 7 days, if it is negative the original 14 days stands.

Option 3 is a trip to Barnard Castle

"

sounds about right from what i saw of the documentation

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Someone on my Facebook posted this earlier.

I'm inclined to agree with them.

POLITE NOTICE:

If you are someone I see in person and are planning on using this system, please stay well away from me and my family. I would rather we didn’t come into contact so there is no risk of me being contacted by the government to be tested because I have been in contact with you.

I respect your wishes to use this service, please respect mine to not need it.

Thank you in advance.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman  over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"Someone on my Facebook posted this earlier.

I'm inclined to agree with them.

POLITE NOTICE:

If you are someone I see in person and are planning on using this system, please stay well away from me and my family. I would rather we didn’t come into contact so there is no risk of me being contacted by the government to be tested because I have been in contact with you.

I respect your wishes to use this service, please respect mine to not need it.

Thank you in advance. "

I totally agree. I'm going to copy and paste this for my FB.

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By *he riverdeep69Couple  over a year ago

North west ish


"Someone on my Facebook posted this earlier.

I'm inclined to agree with them.

POLITE NOTICE:

If you are someone I see in person and are planning on using this system, please stay well away from me and my family. I would rather we didn’t come into contact so there is no risk of me being contacted by the government to be tested because I have been in contact with you.

I respect your wishes to use this service, please respect mine to not need it.

Thank you in advance. "

I totally agree with this. Will definitely not be using this.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Someone on my Facebook posted this earlier.

I'm inclined to agree with them.

POLITE NOTICE:

If you are someone I see in person and are planning on using this system, please stay well away from me and my family. I would rather we didn’t come into contact so there is no risk of me being contacted by the government to be tested because I have been in contact with you.

I respect your wishes to use this service, please respect mine to not need it.

Thank you in advance. "

Are people really gonna be seeing that many people in person that they couldn't send this message by other means rather than facebook?

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By *ohnandLucyCouple  over a year ago

Newcastle


"Also it is now test and trace. The track element has been abandoned.

This is suspiciously looking like another fuck up

It is in everyone's interests for the new system to work and it's not easy to set something like this up. Whatever anyone's reservations think everyone needs to do their bit to make this work.

"We" can't do anything to make an app work. HMG could have used one of the existing apps in development. Instead they prefer to shovel money at Cummings' friends. So long as they're well provided for nothing else matters. This continuous 'it's up to us' is just smokescreen. It was up to HMG to introduce lockdown, to screen at airports, to quarantine, to provide PPE - and they decided to do nothing except tell lies about how fabulously they're doing and have contests for "Most Inane Slogan Of The Week."

Be alert/PRotect the NHS - they could have done that by not closing 20 hospitals, by not cutting 12,000 hospital beds since 2010 and by not cutting real terms NHS funding, instead of the childish BS about funding it more than ever when even 3% inflation means you have to do that each year in order to stand still.

"

The system that is due to start today doesn't use the app. Contact tracing has been used for years (including for STIs) operated by people using telephones. Are you saying that the right thing to do is to refuse to have anything to do with contact tracing because you don't agree with the Government's politics? Would you take the same view if you were contacted about a potential STI? International experience suggests that contact tracing will help prevent further spread.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman  over a year ago

trouble most likely, or creating it :)

I dont see what the issue is with using these systems. At present we should be seeing very few people. So surely the risk is minimal.

I will be downloading the app once its available. I spent about an hour reading up about it and if it enables me to do more and go more places then I do not see the problem

I'm reasonably stunned to see that some are so anti things to help.. I've not wanted to be locked down but did so as it was necessary... I see this as the same.

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By *hilMan  over a year ago

HOUGHTON LE SPRING

FLAWED SYSTEM

If I downloaded app onto my phone and was then informed I'd tested positive, would it mean that anyone within 2m for 15mins would be told to isolate.

It would cause havoc if I lent my phone to someone who was Covid free and could travel / work on public transport etc,. resulting in hundreds of people being told to isolate because of a "Covid infected phone".

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No phone app going to do it the old fashioned way.

You tell the tracers who been near you .

Then they contact everyone, then it goes tits up business has to pick up the bill. There goes our recovery.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Wonder what will be governments response if very few people down load any future app.

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By *uninlondon69Man  over a year ago

Lewisham


"Wonder what will be governments response if very few people down load any future app. "

We're all going to be chipped like dogs.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"no smart phone anyway.

I do not understand why we do not use the system and apps the Germans use,why try to do are own,a bit silly"

Cos we're world leaders

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

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By *ady LickWoman  over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I asked my area manager what would happen re pay if we were contacted to say we'd be in contact someone who had symptoms and had to self isolate. He had no idea

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Wonder what will be governments response if very few people down load any future app.

We're all going to be chipped like dogs."

Could be right one that explodes if we get the virus or attempt to visit Barnard Castle or Durham

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By *ENGUYMan  over a year ago

Hull

Just to add in another aspect to the mix.

Just as my phone being of an older type which isn't compatible with the APP, rendering it useless to operate fully, there have been recent repeated problems in this area with dropped or non-existent phone signals.

In the last week, I've gone out locally, but have had to leave my phone at home, simply because the phone was totally inoperable.

Ok, that's not the Govt's fault, but caused by eejits wrecking phone masts in the Midlands.

Doesn't help the Govt's plans though!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I asked my area manager what would happen re pay if we were contacted to say we'd be in contact someone who had symptoms and had to self isolate. He had no idea "

If you work with other people won’t all the staff have to be self isolated as they will have been near you for whole day at work.

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By *eatrice BadinageWoman  over a year ago

In a Sparkly Dress


"I asked my area manager what would happen re pay if we were contacted to say we'd be in contact someone who had symptoms and had to self isolate. He had no idea "

Gov are sorting out coronavirus ssp payments, they need to sort out a 24hr result test turn around for it, atm its 3/4 days

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"So who will down load the app when it’s available. "

I would not trust Johnson to wank himself off successfully

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By *etsomeMan  over a year ago

birmingham

Thankfully covid will die out naturally without this unworkable trace and track bollocks

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"If you test positive after standing on a busy tube train for over 15 minutes within two metres of several people you could have infected them. You phone this call centre but without a tracking App how could they trace the people near you on the tube ?

Kind of makes the whole idea a bit of a non starter when you put it like that. This is a more likely scenario of how it is spread as well.

All public transport will be a complete nightmare for it "

If they have an outbreak linked to a public transport journey they can ask those people who were on that particular train or bus to contact the contact tracers. Much like the South Koreans did with the Club outbreak in Seoul a few weeks ago. That was really successful despite the sensitivity of it being in the gay clubs of Seoul.

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By *hatawasteMan  over a year ago

stafford

I won't be .. so far the government have made a right screw up of everything during this pandemic .. I'm not going to trust them with any more info about me thank you as they arent to be trusted with it .. I can't see much truth left in all this anyway. Now cummings has pretty much showed everyone what is really happening ..it's now very much a conspiracy and feeds into one of Hancocks relatives businesses who will probably profit from it is one way or another . I don't think they even care anymore about people . Since yesterday have made the decision not to play their game everyone will just have to take their chances :/

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"If you test positive after standing on a busy tube train for over 15 minutes within two metres of several people you could have infected them. You phone this call centre but without a tracking App how could they trace the people near you on the tube ?

Kind of makes the whole idea a bit of a non starter when you put it like that. This is a more likely scenario of how it is spread as well.

All public transport will be a complete nightmare for it

If they have an outbreak linked to a public transport journey they can ask those people who were on that particular train or bus to contact the contact tracers. Much like the South Koreans did with the Club outbreak in Seoul a few weeks ago. That was really successful despite the sensitivity of it being in the gay clubs of Seoul."

The symptoms take days to show if you travel everyday on bus or train or underground it won’t be one journey it would be loads. How can you possibly contact everyone who may of sat beat in on your journeys for the last few days????

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS  over a year ago

Blackpool

Just don't answer your phone to numbers you don't recognise, job done.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Who sat near you

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman  over a year ago

trouble most likely, or creating it :)

This isnt about the app. The tedt and trace is very simply you tell them who

The app however works on bluetooth x

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By *ady LickWoman  over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere


"I asked my area manager what would happen re pay if we were contacted to say we'd be in contact someone who had symptoms and had to self isolate. He had no idea

If you work with other people won’t all the staff have to be self isolated as they will have been near you for whole day at work. "

I suppose so, if I developed symptoms.

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS  over a year ago

Blackpool

The app isn't going to be running any time soon,it's been kicked into the long grass, it's going to be a phone call from the contact mafia,

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"This isnt about the app. The tedt and trace is very simply you tell them who

The app however works on bluetooth x "

Lived in London until I was thirty used the underground lots none of my mobiles every worked on the underground so what good will an app be there. And the underground is probably going to be one of the most likely places where the virus could spread.

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By *uninlondon69Man  over a year ago

Lewisham


"This isnt about the app. The tedt and trace is very simply you tell them who

The app however works on bluetooth x "

Ah yes, bluetooth. That signal that sends music to my headphones. Unless I put my phone in the other pocket.

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By *ENGUYMan  over a year ago

Hull


"This isnt about the app. The tedt and trace is very simply you tell them who

The app however works on bluetooth x "

But I don't use Bluetooth. My phone stays off for most of the day, as signals for everything else don't exist in this area.

When my phone DOES work fully, it's in the evenings, when I'm always indoors, know my own!

So much for Govt usefulness!

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By *sGivesWoodWoman  over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"Wonder what will be governments response if very few people down load any future app.

We're all going to be chipped like dogs."

Nothing would surprise me...

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By *allySlinkyWoman  over a year ago

Leeds


"

If you work with other people won’t all the staff have to be self isolated as they will have been near you for whole day at work.

I suppose so, if I developed symptoms. "

No guidance has been given to medical professionals if they need to isolate every time a patient tests positive.

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By *ess37Woman  over a year ago

Nantwich

I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health

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By *he riverdeep69Couple  over a year ago

North west ish


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health "

You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Why would anyone not?

Because they don't want to quarantine for two weeks and not be able to do their key worker job and then find out they havent got it after all ?

And what if they have got it?"

They'd know sooner if tested

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By *ess37Woman  over a year ago

Nantwich

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By *ess37Woman  over a year ago

Nantwich


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health

You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in!"

Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health

You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in!"

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By *exy7Man  over a year ago

Bristol

Why are we crap at everything in this country but still think we're the best at everything?

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By *he riverdeep69Couple  over a year ago

North west ish


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health

You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in!

Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting..."

Mmmmm can't even say I had noticed until you put your post up. Not heard anything about it on the news.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health

You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in!

Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting..."

You can turn your Bluetooth off easily enough.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman  over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

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By *sGivesWoodWoman  over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health

You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in!

Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting...

You can turn your Bluetooth off easily enough. "

It says you need to download the app to be able to turn it on.

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By *ess37Woman  over a year ago

Nantwich


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health

You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in!

Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting...

You can turn your Bluetooth off easily enough. "

yes that’s true ... there is always way around things, you can actually turn this ‘feature’ off - the point is - we have something in our phones that we didn’t know about and last time I woke up in my bed I thought I was living in a democratic country : )

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By *ady LickWoman  over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health "

It's not on mine, just checked.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health

It's not on mine, just checked."

Just found Health app on my iPhone turned it off

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By *ust RachelTV/TS  over a year ago

Eastbourne


"If you got a message saying you must self isolate, I have to say in light of recent issues I would be very hard pressed to comply with them.

Just use your own instincts Boris said that’s fine."

Just quote the excuse cummings used, he has set a precedent now.

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By *ess37Woman  over a year ago

Nantwich


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health

You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in!

Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting...

You can turn your Bluetooth off easily enough.

It says you need to download the app to be able to turn it on. "

Yes it does say that - do you believe it? Just a question : )

I quote from a very good source:

Apple and Google have partnered on offering a secure and private coronavirus contact tracing implementation on iOS and Android

.... Anonymous COVID-19 contact tracing via Bluetooth (not GPS location) is available with iOS 13.5.

Contact tracing is called “Exposure Notifications” on iPhone and is turned off at the system level by default. You’ll have to download an app from your local health authority that will require your explicit permission to use anonymous Bluetooth data for it to work when phase one of the rollout starts in May.

Apple and Google have said that phase two of the contact tracing software will allow it to work without a third-party health authority app....

Now to update your phone you either give it a permission to or you have automatic updates on ... my point is and more of a question - from covid to anything else - is this a way in to tracking & tracing people even easier than it is already?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"So who will down load the app when it’s available. "

Not me

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By *teveuk77Man  over a year ago

uk


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health

You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in!"

google "Google Exposure Notification API". You will find some explanations about what this does. It's not an app but in interface for apps to provide notifications to health agencies. Basically, from what I understand, we could both develop separate apps but they'd use the same API to provide health agencies with notifications.

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By *ess37Woman  over a year ago

Nantwich

It appears to be for now but they don’t need an app to collect the information they need - Apple and Google have said that phase two of the contact tracing software will allow it to work without a third-party health authority app....

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health

You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in!

Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting...

You can turn your Bluetooth off easily enough.

It says you need to download the app to be able to turn it on.

Yes it does say that - do you believe it? Just a question : )

I quote from a very good source:

Apple and Google have partnered on offering a secure and private coronavirus contact tracing implementation on iOS and Android

.... Anonymous COVID-19 contact tracing via Bluetooth (not GPS location) is available with iOS 13.5.

Contact tracing is called “Exposure Notifications” on iPhone and is turned off at the system level by default. You’ll have to download an app from your local health authority that will require your explicit permission to use anonymous Bluetooth data for it to work when phase one of the rollout starts in May.

Apple and Google have said that phase two of the contact tracing software will allow it to work without a third-party health authority app....

Now to update your phone you either give it a permission to or you have automatic updates on ... my point is and more of a question - from covid to anything else - is this a way in to tracking & tracing people even easier than it is already? "

May be time to get a pay as you go mobile second hand then it’s not traceable to your address

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health

It's not on mine, just checked.

Just found Health app on my iPhone turned it off "

The government have been using iPhone data for there stats on people's movement, that's why I won't buy an iPhone. Android don't log your movements because it's made up by different companies.

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By *ig1gaz1Man  over a year ago

bradford


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health

It's not on mine, just checked.

Just found Health app on my iPhone turned it off "

its not on my phone though i dont update it either

though if i did id delete it off the phone

as goes for installed on the latest ios update what consent has anyone agreed to in the first place to have it installed in there.

from what im aware of your lot was only updating your operating system not consent to install a covid app onto your phone.

oh and if forced install on phone id rather do without one so it gets droped down toilet if I cant remove it.

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By *ess37Woman  over a year ago

Nantwich


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health

It's not on mine, just checked.

Just found Health app on my iPhone turned it off

its not on my phone though i dont update it either

though if i did id delete it off the phone

as goes for installed on the latest ios update what consent has anyone agreed to in the first place to have it installed in there.

from what im aware of your lot was only updating your operating system not consent to install a covid app onto your phone.

oh and if forced install on phone id rather do without one so it gets droped down toilet if I cant remove it. "

Read my previous posts : ) ... consent - my point exactly - a way around things for the government -perhaps if you consent to go through the update you then consent to things being installed - I called it an app in my first post, it’s not an app just yet but then again we won’t need one to be tracked.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health

It's not on mine, just checked.

Just found Health app on my iPhone turned it off

its not on my phone though i dont update it either

though if i did id delete it off the phone

as goes for installed on the latest ios update what consent has anyone agreed to in the first place to have it installed in there.

from what im aware of your lot was only updating your operating system not consent to install a covid app onto your phone.

oh and if forced install on phone id rather do without one so it gets droped down toilet if I cant remove it.

Read my previous posts : ) ... consent - my point exactly - a way around things for the government -perhaps if you consent to go through the update you then consent to things being installed - I called it an app in my first post, it’s not an app just yet but then again we won’t need one to be tracked."

Since virus not been anywhere away from home really so generally leave my mobile at home while I’m walking the dog or going shopping

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By *ess37Woman  over a year ago

Nantwich


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health

It's not on mine, just checked.

Just found Health app on my iPhone turned it off The government have been using iPhone data for there stats on people's movement, that's why I won't buy an iPhone. Android don't log your movements because it's made up by different companies. "

Very true but not anymore - they have partnered now and android is just as exposed ... sadly

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By *ig1gaz1Man  over a year ago

bradford

for what ive been reading you cannot remove health from your phone.

on either android or iphone as its built into the operating system of the phone.

you can remove the data on both

theres no reference on how to remove covid off your phone other than both systems removing it on next update

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"for what ive been reading you cannot remove health from your phone.

on either android or iphone as its built into the operating system of the phone.

you can remove the data on both

theres no reference on how to remove covid off your phone other than both systems removing it on next update "

You can. It’s very east. You just delete app

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"for what ive been reading you cannot remove health from your phone.

on either android or iphone as its built into the operating system of the phone.

you can remove the data on both

theres no reference on how to remove covid off your phone other than both systems removing it on next update

You can. It’s very east. You just delete app"

#easy

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By *ustagentMan  over a year ago

wa14

another too late bad idea ?what no blue tooth on phone sir? don't have one or too old to understand smart phone ,o" don't have every ones details who you have met ,don't know their names the list is endless no doubt mr cummings will have the answer tba I don't care less anymore just get on with life

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By *ess37Woman  over a year ago

Nantwich

It’s not an app though, it’s part of your operating system ... I think I’ve managed to switch it off on android, I don’t think it will be possible on iPhone though ... best thing is not to have your phone installing automatic updates because the second one will come probably in a month or so and that one will be more important .... I also think restoring phone to previous setting helps as well ... but honestly ... I don’t think we will escape from this ... what is highly questionable for me is why has nothing been mentioned about the updates and the fact that two major giants have come together to develop this - if I was a BBC presenter I would be all over a story like that ... but it’s all kept quiet

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central


"It’s not an app though, it’s part of your operating system ... I think I’ve managed to switch it off on android, I don’t think it will be possible on iPhone though ... best thing is not to have your phone installing automatic updates because the second one will come probably in a month or so and that one will be more important .... I also think restoring phone to previous setting helps as well ... but honestly ... I don’t think we will escape from this ... what is highly questionable for me is why has nothing been mentioned about the updates and the fact that two major giants have come together to develop this - if I was a BBC presenter I would be all over a story like that ... but it’s all kept quiet "

The tracking elements being integrated within the operating systems are independent of the UK government app that's in trial. They were offered the feature access but went instead for a centralised data collection with tracking and tracing.

It doesn't mean that the government won't switch to that instead, especially if they continue to have problems.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"no smart phone anyway.

I do not understand why we do not use the system and apps the Germans use,why try to do are own,a bit silly"

1. It will cost a fortune to licence

2. Data security

3. Who will own all the user PII data

4. Most people don't know they have covid

5. Most people may not use an app especially when it requires personal info like IP address, location data etc stored on a server. Also do people always walk around with all these features switched on?

6. What if people start to prank the system?

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By *ig1gaz1Man  over a year ago

bradford

Over at publictechnology.net

Personal data from the NHS Test and Trace programme will be kept for 20 years and health secretary Matt Hancock has provided special exemption for the scheme to use sensitive information without citizens’ consent.

You also have no right right to remove the data

They can also object to their data being used, and can ask for its deletion – but the notice makes clear that neither of these is “an absolute right”.

thoughts on this.

Its really a nice way to give all your medical info to american companys.

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By *eeBee67Man  over a year ago

Masked and Distant

Yes I will download and use the app.

Yes the government will more than likely keep my data.

No I'm not worried about either point above.

Can anyone give me a concrete example of harm resulting from doing either of the above? Or is it all just mad conspiracy theories?

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By *ig1gaz1Man  over a year ago

bradford


"Yes I will download and use the app.

Yes the government will more than likely keep my data.

No I'm not worried about either point above.

Can anyone give me a concrete example of harm resulting from doing either of the above? Or is it all just mad conspiracy theories? "

so your fine for your insurance to go up?

car insurance and house insurance I mean

medical info can soon be attached to those above.

your fine to be pestered by scam phonecalls.

your fine to recieve cold calls to sell you something.

are you fine for the info to be held out of uk jurastiction where you cannot control the data.

covid19 app is as close to the old care data system sold to american companies

that isnt conpiracy theories

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By *kstallionMan  over a year ago

milton keynes


"Yes I will download and use the app.

Yes the government will more than likely keep my data.

No I'm not worried about either point above.

Can anyone give me a concrete example of harm resulting from doing either of the above? Or is it all just mad conspiracy theories?

so your fine for your insurance to go up?

car insurance and house insurance I mean

medical info can soon be attached to those above.

your fine to be pestered by scam phonecalls.

your fine to recieve cold calls to sell you something.

are you fine for the info to be held out of uk jurastiction where you cannot control the data.

covid19 app is as close to the old care data system sold to american companies

that isnt conpiracy theories"

I want to use the app because I want to help. However I keep seeing things like said above and its putting me off.

What I don't know is how or why it will put my house and car insurance up.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"no smart phone anyway.

I do not understand why we do not use the system and apps the Germans use,why try to do are own,a bit silly

1. It will cost a fortune to licence

2. Data security

3. Who will own all the user PII data

4. Most people don't know they have covid

5. Most people may not use an app especially when it requires personal info like IP address, location data etc stored on a server. Also do people always walk around with all these features switched on?

6. What if people start to prank the system? "

6.

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By *estivalMan  over a year ago

borehamwood


"Just don't answer your phone to numbers you don't recognise, job done. "

yep i never answer if its a number i dont know.i used to answer but git fed up of being asked about an accident i never been in or about ppi ive never had

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By *eeBee67Man  over a year ago

Masked and Distant


"Yes I will download and use the app.

Yes the government will more than likely keep my data.

No I'm not worried about either point above.

Can anyone give me a concrete example of harm resulting from doing either of the above? Or is it all just mad conspiracy theories?

so your fine for your insurance to go up?

car insurance and house insurance I mean

medical info can soon be attached to those above.

your fine to be pestered by scam phonecalls.

your fine to recieve cold calls to sell you something.

are you fine for the info to be held out of uk jurastiction where you cannot control the data.

covid19 app is as close to the old care data system sold to american companies

that isnt conpiracy theories"

My insurance goes up anyway due to the young lads round here thinking golf GTIs belong on their roof not wheels.

So because I have an app which records only 1 bit of my medical information???

Scam phone calls, calls trying to sell me something? Like it is now you mean?

Cant control the data when its held in the uk anyway.

Pretty sure they are conspiracy theories or at least nothing to stop me downloading and using the app.

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By *ig1gaz1Man  over a year ago

bradford


"I want to use the app because I want to help. However I keep seeing things like said above and its putting me off.

What I don't know is how or why it will put my house and car insurance up. "

insurance is a bank system

they can access this info for peanuts

any medical info they have they can state your a low medium or high risk due to your medical info

ask yourself this and think have you ever provided your medical info to your car insurance or house insurance.

if its all on one system they can gain access to this and adjust any premium to suit

from the driving info as it stands now

Driving With a Medical Condition : Licences & Insurance

If the DVLA has issued you a licence, with knowledge of your medical conditions, car insurers cannot refuse your coverage, raise your premiums, or increase your excess because of your health without evidence that you're an increased risk.

but a new premium they can increase the price

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By *kstallionMan  over a year ago

milton keynes


"I want to use the app because I want to help. However I keep seeing things like said above and its putting me off.

What I don't know is how or why it will put my house and car insurance up.

insurance is a bank system

they can access this info for peanuts

any medical info they have they can state your a low medium or high risk due to your medical info

ask yourself this and think have you ever provided your medical info to your car insurance or house insurance.

if its all on one system they can gain access to this and adjust any premium to suit

from the driving info as it stands now

Driving With a Medical Condition : Licences & Insurance

If the DVLA has issued you a licence, with knowledge of your medical conditions, car insurers cannot refuse your coverage, raise your premiums, or increase your excess because of your health without evidence that you're an increased risk.

but a new premium they can increase the price "

Everyday is school day as they say.

I thought the info from the app would only reveal if requested if I have had covid or not. Not sure why that would make a difference. Medical info if needed can be asked for now and before the crisis. Insurance companies can do the same just by adding a couple of medical questions to your application now if they think it can make more money. If you falsify the answer and they find out insurance will be void

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By *ady LickWoman  over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere


"I want to use the app because I want to help. However I keep seeing things like said above and its putting me off.

What I don't know is how or why it will put my house and car insurance up.

insurance is a bank system

they can access this info for peanuts

any medical info they have they can state your a low medium or high risk due to your medical info

ask yourself this and think have you ever provided your medical info to your car insurance or house insurance.

if its all on one system they can gain access to this and adjust any premium to suit

from the driving info as it stands now

Driving With a Medical Condition : Licences & Insurance

If the DVLA has issued you a licence, with knowledge of your medical conditions, car insurers cannot refuse your coverage, raise your premiums, or increase your excess because of your health without evidence that you're an increased risk.

but a new premium they can increase the price

Everyday is school day as they say.

I thought the info from the app would only reveal if requested if I have had covid or not. Not sure why that would make a difference. Medical info if needed can be asked for now and before the crisis. Insurance companies can do the same just by adding a couple of medical questions to your application now if they think it can make more money. If you falsify the answer and they find out insurance will be void"

I think people are just being paranoid, having said that I won't be putting the ap on my phone. I haven't got enough storage for a start!

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By *hilMan  over a year ago

HOUGHTON LE SPRING


"Isn't Cummings sister part of the company that is meant to be doing this?

The contract wasn't put out to tender"

Contact Tracing is being run by Tory MP John Penrose's wife Dido Harding.

Dido Harding may not be a name familiar to everyone but she has left a trail of destruction that everyone will know. She was CEO of TalkTalk at a time they were hacked in 2015. It cost the company £77 million as customers fled. They only got fined £400,000 at the time and with GDPR it would have been considerably more. About 18 months later she resigned saying she wanted to focus on “more activities in public service”.

The information commissioner, Elizabeth Denham, said: “TalkTalk’s failure to implement the most basic cyber security measures allowed hackers to penetrate TalkTalk’s systems with ease.

“Yes, hacking is wrong, but that is not an excuse for companies to abdicate their security obligations. TalkTalk should and could have done more to safeguard its customer information. It did not and we have taken action.”

Doesn't exactly fill you with confidence when someone with a record like this is running the contact tracing, and security of private data.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman  over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health

You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in!

Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting...

You can turn your Bluetooth off easily enough.

It says you need to download the app to be able to turn it on.

Yes it does say that - do you believe it? Just a question : )

I quote from a very good source:

Apple and Google have partnered on offering a secure and private coronavirus contact tracing implementation on iOS and Android

.... Anonymous COVID-19 contact tracing via Bluetooth (not GPS location) is available with iOS 13.5.

Contact tracing is called “Exposure Notifications” on iPhone and is turned off at the system level by default. You’ll have to download an app from your local health authority that will require your explicit permission to use anonymous Bluetooth data for it to work when phase one of the rollout starts in May.

Apple and Google have said that phase two of the contact tracing software will allow it to work without a third-party health authority app....

Now to update your phone you either give it a permission to or you have automatic updates on ... my point is and more of a question - from covid to anything else - is this a way in to tracking & tracing people even easier than it is already? "

So am I correct in thinking that we have no choice in this?

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By *aughty k1ttenTV/TS  over a year ago

Coventry


"Also it is now test and trace. The track element has been abandoned. "
is trace not the same as track then?

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By *sGivesWoodWoman  over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"Also it is now test and trace. The track element has been abandoned. is trace not the same as track then? "

I'm getting even more confused now lol.

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By *moothdickMan  over a year ago

stoke

The post office have being using it for years and still lose yr shipment

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By *reyyaMan  over a year ago

North Yorkshire

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By *eddy and legsCouple  over a year ago

the wetlands


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health

You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in!

Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting...

You can turn your Bluetooth off easily enough.

It says you need to download the app to be able to turn it on.

Yes it does say that - do you believe it? Just a question : )

I quote from a very good source:

Apple and Google have partnered on offering a secure and private coronavirus contact tracing implementation on iOS and Android

.... Anonymous COVID-19 contact tracing via Bluetooth (not GPS location) is available with iOS 13.5.

Contact tracing is called “Exposure Notifications” on iPhone and is turned off at the system level by default. You’ll have to download an app from your local health authority that will require your explicit permission to use anonymous Bluetooth data for it to work when phase one of the rollout starts in May.

Apple and Google have said that phase two of the contact tracing software will allow it to work without a third-party health authority app....

Now to update your phone you either give it a permission to or you have automatic updates on ... my point is and more of a question - from covid to anything else - is this a way in to tracking & tracing people even easier than it is already?

So am I correct in thinking that we have no choice in this? "

No, you do have a choice

What he is talking about needs an app to make it work, it's off by default, and there is also an option to manually turn it off.

More scaremongering probably

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By *eddy and legsCouple  over a year ago

the wetlands

And chances are if you weren't aware of this service you are already being tracked by Google location as you will have enabled it without realising.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The government are saying they are going to make it law that you isolate if told to. That's ok if law I will because if law they will have to pay full wages, because they ordered you. If they say employer's must pay it won't work, people can't live without money.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman  over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health

You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in!

Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting...

You can turn your Bluetooth off easily enough.

It says you need to download the app to be able to turn it on.

Yes it does say that - do you believe it? Just a question : )

I quote from a very good source:

Apple and Google have partnered on offering a secure and private coronavirus contact tracing implementation on iOS and Android

.... Anonymous COVID-19 contact tracing via Bluetooth (not GPS location) is available with iOS 13.5.

Contact tracing is called “Exposure Notifications” on iPhone and is turned off at the system level by default. You’ll have to download an app from your local health authority that will require your explicit permission to use anonymous Bluetooth data for it to work when phase one of the rollout starts in May.

Apple and Google have said that phase two of the contact tracing software will allow it to work without a third-party health authority app....

Now to update your phone you either give it a permission to or you have automatic updates on ... my point is and more of a question - from covid to anything else - is this a way in to tracking & tracing people even easier than it is already?

So am I correct in thinking that we have no choice in this?

No, you do have a choice

What he is talking about needs an app to make it work, it's off by default, and there is also an option to manually turn it off.

More scaremongering probably"

Thankyou. X

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


""Confuse people. Confused people are easier to control"

Not sure where this quote originated but rings true now more than ever...."

So true

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple  over a year ago

walsall

How will it work for NHS workers who are actively involved with covid patients and their partners who don't

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

There are 3 ways to control people confusion,bribery and fear. I think they are using all 3 now.

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By *wosmilersCouple  over a year ago

Heathrowish

It's incredible but true....this thread like all others is devoted to those that always blindly support the government line regardless, those that always blindly oppose the government line regardless, a majority who do not actually know what they are talking about but manage to express it and finally, folks who are intent on promulgating misinformation.

It's great to see that the new normality is the same as the old normality.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Perhaps the government should involve Sydney University to take advantage of their expertise in analysing data about people "meeting"..."

Do the Sydney uni really get fascinated with watching us kinkster peeps?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"So who will down load the app when it’s available. "

In a heartbeat. Yes.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

New coronavirus guidelines have made it illegal to have sex

in your own home with a person from another household from

today. The government is set to lay out the new regulations

this morning, which will ban people from socialising indoors

with a person from outside your household bubble. The new

regulation reads: ‘No person may participate in a gathering

which takes place in a public or private place indoors, and

consists of two or more persons.’ Until today, the person who

goes inside another person’s home would have been the one

breaching the rules. However, now both people could be

prosecuted under the new amendment to the The Health

Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) Regulations 2020 bill,

that is set to be presented before Parliament on Monday

morning. Previous rules did not include wording about meeting

in private places as the general message was to ‘stay at

home’ and to avoid all but essential travel. Now only those

with ‘reasonable excuses’ will be allowed to meet privately

indoors – which does not include meeting up to have sex.

Reasonable excuses cover elite athletes, vulnerable people

and key workers. Visit our live blog for the latest updates:

Coronavirus news live Those that must meet in a private space

for childcare, separated parents who live in different

households seeing their children, those attending a funeral,

and people providing emergency assistance, would also be

considered reasonable excuses. It is not yet clear how a

person could be prosecuted – and whether they will be fined –

if they are found breaching the new laws. 'Sex is banned' -

Amendment to coronavirus laws The amendment means that both

people will be in breach of the laws from today (Picture:

gov.uk) At the beginning of the UK’s lockdown in late March,

the government urged couples to move in together or remain

apart so they do not keep switching between households and

risk spreading the virus. Deputy Chief Medical officer Jenny

Harries told the public to urgently ‘make your choice and

stick with it,’ meaning many couples who live apart have now

not seen each other for more than two months. It comes as a

study found six in 10 Britons have gone without having sexual

activity during lockdown, found researchers at the

universities of Anglia Ruskin and Ulster, who are analysing

how Covid-19 restrictions are affecting the relationships of

almost 900 adults. More: Coronavirus

(3) For the purposes of this regulation---

(a) there is a gathering when two or more people are

present together in the same place in order to engage in a ny

form of social interaction with each other,or to undertake

any other activity with each other;

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By *lizaDayWoman  over a year ago

Wigan

I won't be touching any of the trace apps with a bargepole! And i won't be having any vaccine either.

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By *allySlinkyWoman  over a year ago

Leeds

Why are elite athletes exempt ?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central

I find it sad that a lot of our associated health service has been outsourced for profit and we have minimal to no protections whilst they spaff our money up the wall.

After breaking up the NHS, with reorganisations, reducing funding into care and health services, we let the local experts who do track and tracing go from March. We then outsource drive through testing to companies like Deloittes, accountants and have others like Serco, G4S and others who have track records of failures behind them and little or no health expertise. The contracts and data flows of information are all over the place. People waiting over a week for results - whilst they could have isolated instead of infecting others if results were prompt. Lots of people with political contacts picking up big contracts. Meanwhile hospital and care services staff without equipment, many not tested even 1 time and many without results. It's like a farce from decades ago or reminiscent of a failing Banana Republic.

Of course no data is safe. Few know where it is or should be. It may be being passed through 5 or 6 private companies, who've outsourced it to get a bigger cut. We should assume it's being stockpiled and appended to everything else amassed upon us, bought and sold for any reason around the world - but that's another matter.

We've had these extremely complicated arrangements cobbled together and I'm not assuming that public wellbeing has been the top priority all through these obscure chains of individuals and corporations throughout the world.

The new tracing staff, pretty much all at minimum wage, who want to really help the public, have had 1 hour or so training and must read from a script, whilst IT access was largely unavailable to many of them trying to increase their system expertise. All under that talktalk woman who I'd certainly not trust for more than to lose it few more £millions. You really couldn't make it up!

The most elderly at risk probably are the least likely to have and understand the technology to get this working and the call centre staff the least able to understand complex medical issues or help with technology support for those who struggle to remember things, have failing eye sight and perhaps can't tell or see if Bluetooth is on etc. They perhaps won't see the battery indicator running low, before it shuts down, whilst out.

I've been using the covid-19 symptom tracker app for months, I recommend it. Likewise keeping interactions with others to below about 10 minutes, which would not be picked up by the new government app, if it ever gets released. Typhoid Mary 2020 could infect many people today, with 14 minutes long engagements or without a phone - or if she's unknown to anyone, nobody can trace her.

It's a bit of a Steptoe & Son cobbled together old pile of shite. You'd never guess other countries have led the way before us, many with great success

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

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I find it sad that a lot of our associated health service has been outsourced for profit and we have minimal to no protections whilst they spaff our money up the wall.

After breaking up the NHS, with reorganisations, reducing funding into care and health services, we let the local experts who do track and tracing go from March. We then outsource drive through testing to companies like Deloittes, accountants and have others like Serco, G4S and others who have track records of failures behind them and little or no health expertise. The contracts and data flows of information are all over the place. People waiting over a week for results - whilst they could have isolated instead of infecting others if results were prompt. Lots of people with political contacts picking up big contracts. Meanwhile hospital and care services staff without equipment, many not tested even 1 time and many without results. It's like a farce from decades ago or reminiscent of a failing Banana Republic.

Of course no data is safe. Few know where it is or should be. It may be being passed through 5 or 6 private companies, who've outsourced it to get a bigger cut. We should assume it's being stockpiled and appended to everything else amassed upon us, bought and sold for any reason around the world - but that's another matter.

We've had these extremely complicated arrangements cobbled together and I'm not assuming that public wellbeing has been the top priority all through these obscure chains of individuals and corporations throughout the world.

The new tracing staff, pretty much all at minimum wage, who want to really help the public, have had 1 hour or so training and must read from a script, whilst IT access was largely unavailable to many of them trying to increase their system expertise. All under that talktalk woman who I'd certainly not trust for more than to lose it few more £millions. You really couldn't make it up!

The most elderly at risk probably are the least likely to have and understand the technology to get this working and the call centre staff the least able to understand complex medical issues or help with technology support for those who struggle to remember things, have failing eye sight and perhaps can't tell or see if Bluetooth is on etc. They perhaps won't see the battery indicator running low, before it shuts down, whilst out.

I've been using the covid-19 symptom tracker app for months, I recommend it. Likewise keeping interactions with others to below about 10 minutes, which would not be picked up by the new government app, if it ever gets released. Typhoid Mary 2020 could infect many people today, with 14 minutes long engagements or without a phone - or if she's unknown to anyone, nobody can trace her.

It's a bit of a Steptoe & Son cobbled together old pile of shite. You'd never guess other countries have led the way before us, many with great success

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