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"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks." Hmmmmm. Some people just take the piss. I'm sure our company are pro rata-ing it, otherwise people will end up having 6 months off! | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks." But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal" And I'm sure the company didn't choose to be in the situation. Maybe they will have to make redundancies ... | |||
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"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal" Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. | |||
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"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. " People who are at work won't be taking their annual leave (if they've any sense). Early on in the lockdown Boris said that leave should be allowed to be carried over for upto 2 years. | |||
"I am sure I read your annual leave can be carried forward for 12 months - at least in England " We’ve been told any annual leave already requested has to be taken. | |||
"I am sure I read your annual leave can be carried forward for 12 months - at least in England We’ve been told any annual leave already requested has to be taken. " It’s up to the company if they are happy for any annual leave to be carried over, they don’t have to allow it, it’s what works best for the employer. | |||
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"I am sure I read your annual leave can be carried forward for 12 months - at least in England We’ve been told any annual leave already requested has to be taken. It’s up to the company if they are happy for any annual leave to be carried over, they don’t have to allow it, it’s what works best for the employer." We’ve always been allowed to carry over 10 days. They may increase it. I just thought it was a bloody cheek to already be off work and then ask for annual leave to be given back to them. They’re shielding though they have no underlying health issues and their partner works at the same place and they’re coming into work still. Some people just take the bloody piss  | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. " I thought shielding was for the extremely vulnerable. | |||
"I am sure I read your annual leave can be carried forward for 12 months - at least in England " It may depend on size of company. | |||
"I am sure I read your annual leave can be carried forward for 12 months - at least in England We’ve been told any annual leave already requested has to be taken. It’s up to the company if they are happy for any annual leave to be carried over, they don’t have to allow it, it’s what works best for the employer. We’ve always been allowed to carry over 10 days. They may increase it. I just thought it was a bloody cheek to already be off work and then ask for annual leave to be given back to them. They’re shielding though they have no underlying health issues and their partner works at the same place and they’re coming into work still. Some people just take the bloody piss "Yes I agree with you. For instance we have a guy who's gf has asthma so he's still on furlough, likewise a woman who lives with her elderly mum and one who can't get childcare. Whilst I understand their issues I don't see why they should get holidays if that's the case as there's nothing actually wrong with them. | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. I thought shielding was for the extremely vulnerable. " Well they’re off work for 12 weeks for some unknown reason | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. I thought shielding was for the extremely vulnerable. " Shielding only applies to people who received an official letter to say they are in the "most at risk" group. Cal | |||
"I am sure I read your annual leave can be carried forward for 12 months - at least in England We’ve been told any annual leave already requested has to be taken. It’s up to the company if they are happy for any annual leave to be carried over, they don’t have to allow it, it’s what works best for the employer. We’ve always been allowed to carry over 10 days. They may increase it. I just thought it was a bloody cheek to already be off work and then ask for annual leave to be given back to them. They’re shielding though they have no underlying health issues and their partner works at the same place and they’re coming into work still. Some people just take the bloody piss
Yes I agree with you. For instance we have a guy who's gf has asthma so he's still on furlough, likewise a woman who lives with her elderly mum and one who can't get childcare. Whilst I understand their issues I don't see why they should get holidays if that's the case as there's nothing actually wrong with them."I think they should have to take any annual leave already booked. What I think would be unfair is them being off for the 12 weeks and then coming back to work and still having all their annual leave to use. | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. " They would not have got a letter telling them to shield if there was nothing wrong with them. Of course they have underlying problems | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. I thought shielding was for the extremely vulnerable. Shielding only applies to people who received an official letter to say they are in the "most at risk" group. Cal" Ah, ok. So a diabetic would just choose themselves to stay at home for 12 weeks? (Not the person I was talking about) | |||
"I am sure I read your annual leave can be carried forward for 12 months - at least in England We’ve been told any annual leave already requested has to be taken. It’s up to the company if they are happy for any annual leave to be carried over, they don’t have to allow it, it’s what works best for the employer. We’ve always been allowed to carry over 10 days. They may increase it. I just thought it was a bloody cheek to already be off work and then ask for annual leave to be given back to them. They’re shielding though they have no underlying health issues and their partner works at the same place and they’re coming into work still. Some people just take the bloody piss
Yes I agree with you. For instance we have a guy who's gf has asthma so he's still on furlough, likewise a woman who lives with her elderly mum and one who can't get childcare. Whilst I understand their issues I don't see why they should get holidays if that's the case as there's nothing actually wrong with them.
I think they should have to take any annual leave already booked.
What I think would be unfair is them being off for the 12 weeks and then coming back to work and still having all their annual leave to use.
"Definitely. I agree with you. I'm not sure 100% whether the ones I mentioned are still getting the furlough pay. If they come back in August when it drops to 60% or whatever it is that will be very, very wrong. | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. They would not have got a letter telling them to shield if there was nothing wrong with them. Of course they have underlying problems" They didn’t get a letter. | |||
"I am sure I read your annual leave can be carried forward for 12 months - at least in England We’ve been told any annual leave already requested has to be taken. It’s up to the company if they are happy for any annual leave to be carried over, they don’t have to allow it, it’s what works best for the employer. We’ve always been allowed to carry over 10 days. They may increase it. I just thought it was a bloody cheek to already be off work and then ask for annual leave to be given back to them. They’re shielding though they have no underlying health issues and their partner works at the same place and they’re coming into work still. Some people just take the bloody piss
Yes I agree with you. For instance we have a guy who's gf has asthma so he's still on furlough, likewise a woman who lives with her elderly mum and one who can't get childcare. Whilst I understand their issues I don't see why they should get holidays if that's the case as there's nothing actually wrong with them.
I think they should have to take any annual leave already booked.
What I think would be unfair is them being off for the 12 weeks and then coming back to work and still having all their annual leave to use.
"I disagree, I think it would be unfair to be forced to take time of work, to stay at home and have to sacrifice their holiday entitlement too. Is the person in question someone you don't like? Or do you feel that because you are still working that you're getting the thin end of the wedge? Personally, I would feel hard-done-by if I was forced to stay at home and do nothing for months... I definitely feel as though I am one if the lucky ones being able to still go to work. Cal | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks." Seems a bit greedy to me | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. They would not have got a letter telling them to shield if there was nothing wrong with them. Of course they have underlying problems They didn’t get a letter." So why are the company paying them for being shielded ? If they dont have to shield ? | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. I thought shielding was for the extremely vulnerable. Shielding only applies to people who received an official letter to say they are in the "most at risk" group. Cal Ah, ok. So a diabetic would just choose themselves to stay at home for 12 weeks? (Not the person I was talking about)" I they had type 1 diabetes they most definitely would have got a letter. | |||
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"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. I thought shielding was for the extremely vulnerable. Well they’re off work for 12 weeks for some unknown reason "The reason is no one elses business but the line managers | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal" but they are not sick and can use their annual leave to do leisure things around the house people seem to have in their head that annual leave is only valid if you can go abroad on it ... its too take a rest from work ... if you hapoen to be getting paid 100% to shield you are getting over and above already, bit of a cheek to think you would be entitled to take extra holidays again at the end of it anyone still working (either key worker or from home) will also be expected to still take their holidays if they had booked them and will be stuck at home just the same as the shielders | |||
"I am sure I read your annual leave can be carried forward for 12 months - at least in England We’ve been told any annual leave already requested has to be taken. It’s up to the company if they are happy for any annual leave to be carried over, they don’t have to allow it, it’s what works best for the employer. We’ve always been allowed to carry over 10 days. They may increase it. I just thought it was a bloody cheek to already be off work and then ask for annual leave to be given back to them. They’re shielding though they have no underlying health issues and their partner works at the same place and they’re coming into work still. Some people just take the bloody piss
Yes I agree with you. For instance we have a guy who's gf has asthma so he's still on furlough, likewise a woman who lives with her elderly mum and one who can't get childcare. Whilst I understand their issues I don't see why they should get holidays if that's the case as there's nothing actually wrong with them.
I think they should have to take any annual leave already booked.
What I think would be unfair is them being off for the 12 weeks and then coming back to work and still having all their annual leave to use.
I disagree, I think it would be unfair to be forced to take time of work, to stay at home and have to sacrifice their holiday entitlement too.
Is the person in question someone you don't like? Or do you feel that because you are still working that you're getting the thin end of the wedge?
Personally, I would feel hard-done-by if I was forced to stay at home and do nothing for months... I definitely feel as though I am one if the lucky ones being able to still go to work.
Cal"they havent sacrificed their holiday entitlement , it just happened to fall in a period when they were already home if you have to take holidays from work just now would you believe you sacrificed your holiday entitlement? | |||
"I am sure I read your annual leave can be carried forward for 12 months - at least in England We’ve been told any annual leave already requested has to be taken. It’s up to the company if they are happy for any annual leave to be carried over, they don’t have to allow it, it’s what works best for the employer. We’ve always been allowed to carry over 10 days. They may increase it. I just thought it was a bloody cheek to already be off work and then ask for annual leave to be given back to them. They’re shielding though they have no underlying health issues and their partner works at the same place and they’re coming into work still. Some people just take the bloody piss
Yes I agree with you. For instance we have a guy who's gf has asthma so he's still on furlough, likewise a woman who lives with her elderly mum and one who can't get childcare. Whilst I understand their issues I don't see why they should get holidays if that's the case as there's nothing actually wrong with them.
I think they should have to take any annual leave already booked.
What I think would be unfair is them being off for the 12 weeks and then coming back to work and still having all their annual leave to use.
I disagree, I think it would be unfair to be forced to take time of work, to stay at home and have to sacrifice their holiday entitlement too.
Is the person in question someone you don't like? Or do you feel that because you are still working that you're getting the thin end of the wedge?
Personally, I would feel hard-done-by if I was forced to stay at home and do nothing for months... I definitely feel as though I am one if the lucky ones being able to still go to work.
Cal"Definitely we're still both working and compared to many if our friends are much happier and our mental health more resilient. I have every sympathy for people shielding and I think the frustration should be at an employer which hasn't explored possibilities for them to work, even in a limited capacity, from home. They aren't having a great time at home. | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal but they are not sick and can use their annual leave to do leisure things around the house people seem to have in their head that annual leave is only valid if you can go abroad on it ... its too take a rest from work ... if you hapoen to be getting paid 100% to shield you are getting over and above already, bit of a cheek to think you would be entitled to take extra holidays again at the end of it anyone still working (either key worker or from home) will also be expected to still take their holidays if they had booked them and will be stuck at home just the same as the shielders "  Exactly this. Everyone, including those self isolating or shielding or still working has to take any annual leave they’ve already booked off.
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"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. They would not have got a letter telling them to shield if there was nothing wrong with them. Of course they have underlying problems They didn’t get a letter." I'm not sure how you would know that? And I'm not sure how you think they convinced your employer that they were shielding with no underlying medical cause. Part of me suspects that this is more about the individual involved rather than the broader principle though | |||
"I am sure I read your annual leave can be carried forward for 12 months - at least in England We’ve been told any annual leave already requested has to be taken. It’s up to the company if they are happy for any annual leave to be carried over, they don’t have to allow it, it’s what works best for the employer. We’ve always been allowed to carry over 10 days. They may increase it. I just thought it was a bloody cheek to already be off work and then ask for annual leave to be given back to them. They’re shielding though they have no underlying health issues and their partner works at the same place and they’re coming into work still. Some people just take the bloody piss
Yes I agree with you. For instance we have a guy who's gf has asthma so he's still on furlough, likewise a woman who lives with her elderly mum and one who can't get childcare. Whilst I understand their issues I don't see why they should get holidays if that's the case as there's nothing actually wrong with them.
I think they should have to take any annual leave already booked.
What I think would be unfair is them being off for the 12 weeks and then coming back to work and still having all their annual leave to use.
I disagree, I think it would be unfair to be forced to take time of work, to stay at home and have to sacrifice their holiday entitlement too.
Is the person in question someone you don't like? Or do you feel that because you are still working that you're getting the thin end of the wedge?
Personally, I would feel hard-done-by if I was forced to stay at home and do nothing for months... I definitely feel as though I am one if the lucky ones being able to still go to work.
Cal"Nobody is forcing them to stay at home. Thru initially were going to use the lack of childcare until it was established we were classed as key workers so they had to come up with another reason. | |||
"I am sure I read your annual leave can be carried forward for 12 months - at least in England We’ve been told any annual leave already requested has to be taken. It’s up to the company if they are happy for any annual leave to be carried over, they don’t have to allow it, it’s what works best for the employer. We’ve always been allowed to carry over 10 days. They may increase it. I just thought it was a bloody cheek to already be off work and then ask for annual leave to be given back to them. They’re shielding though they have no underlying health issues and their partner works at the same place and they’re coming into work still. Some people just take the bloody piss
Yes I agree with you. For instance we have a guy who's gf has asthma so he's still on furlough, likewise a woman who lives with her elderly mum and one who can't get childcare. Whilst I understand their issues I don't see why they should get holidays if that's the case as there's nothing actually wrong with them.
I think they should have to take any annual leave already booked.
What I think would be unfair is them being off for the 12 weeks and then coming back to work and still having all their annual leave to use.
I disagree, I think it would be unfair to be forced to take time of work, to stay at home and have to sacrifice their holiday entitlement too.
Is the person in question someone you don't like? Or do you feel that because you are still working that you're getting the thin end of the wedge?
Personally, I would feel hard-done-by if I was forced to stay at home and do nothing for months... I definitely feel as though I am one if the lucky ones being able to still go to work.
Cal
Nobody is forcing them to stay at home. Thru initially were going to use the lack of childcare until it was established we were classed as key workers so they had to come up with another reason. "Given you seem so adamant this person is wrongfully shielding havevyou raised your concerns with your HR department? | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. They would not have got a letter telling them to shield if there was nothing wrong with them. Of course they have underlying problems They didn’t get a letter. I'm not sure how you would know that? And I'm not sure how you think they convinced your employer that they were shielding with no underlying medical cause. Part of me suspects that this is more about the individual involved rather than the broader principle though" No, we’re all aware who got letters and who didn’t. They’re not asthmatic or diabetic or have any long term chronic health issues. | |||
"I am sure I read your annual leave can be carried forward for 12 months - at least in England We’ve been told any annual leave already requested has to be taken. It’s up to the company if they are happy for any annual leave to be carried over, they don’t have to allow it, it’s what works best for the employer. We’ve always been allowed to carry over 10 days. They may increase it. I just thought it was a bloody cheek to already be off work and then ask for annual leave to be given back to them. They’re shielding though they have no underlying health issues and their partner works at the same place and they’re coming into work still. Some people just take the bloody piss
Yes I agree with you. For instance we have a guy who's gf has asthma so he's still on furlough, likewise a woman who lives with her elderly mum and one who can't get childcare. Whilst I understand their issues I don't see why they should get holidays if that's the case as there's nothing actually wrong with them.
I think they should have to take any annual leave already booked.
What I think would be unfair is them being off for the 12 weeks and then coming back to work and still having all their annual leave to use.
I disagree, I think it would be unfair to be forced to take time of work, to stay at home and have to sacrifice their holiday entitlement too.
Is the person in question someone you don't like? Or do you feel that because you are still working that you're getting the thin end of the wedge?
Personally, I would feel hard-done-by if I was forced to stay at home and do nothing for months... I definitely feel as though I am one if the lucky ones being able to still go to work.
Cal
Nobody is forcing them to stay at home. Thru initially were going to use the lack of childcare until it was established we were classed as key workers so they had to come up with another reason.
Given you seem so adamant this person is wrongfully shielding havevyou raised your concerns with your HR department?"I’m sure they’re aware, I’m just having a rant on here. I’m definitely not the only one at my work who thinks they’re taking the piss. It was more them asking for annual leave back that I thought was a cheek. Anyway, have a lovely weekend everyone | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. I thought shielding was for the extremely vulnerable. Shielding only applies to people who received an official letter to say they are in the "most at risk" group. Cal" My thoughts exactly. | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. They would not have got a letter telling them to shield if there was nothing wrong with them. Of course they have underlying problems They didn’t get a letter. I'm not sure how you would know that? And I'm not sure how you think they convinced your employer that they were shielding with no underlying medical cause. Part of me suspects that this is more about the individual involved rather than the broader principle though No, we’re all aware who got letters and who didn’t. They’re not asthmatic or diabetic or have any long term chronic health issues. " No you are aware who told you that they had got letters. A subtle but significant difference. Have you considered that they don't want their medical history bandied about the office? Given that you and your colleagues all think she is taking the piss maybe they feel it's not the most supportive of environments to share a private medical issue just to satisfy her colleagues curiosity? | |||
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"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. They would not have got a letter telling them to shield if there was nothing wrong with them. Of course they have underlying problems They didn’t get a letter. I'm not sure how you would know that? And I'm not sure how you think they convinced your employer that they were shielding with no underlying medical cause. Part of me suspects that this is more about the individual involved rather than the broader principle though No, we’re all aware who got letters and who didn’t. They’re not asthmatic or diabetic or have any long term chronic health issues. " How would/do you know they didn't get a letter ? That would be private. | |||
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"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. They would not have got a letter telling them to shield if there was nothing wrong with them. Of course they have underlying problems They didn’t get a letter. I'm not sure how you would know that? And I'm not sure how you think they convinced your employer that they were shielding with no underlying medical cause. Part of me suspects that this is more about the individual involved rather than the broader principle though No, we’re all aware who got letters and who didn’t. They’re not asthmatic or diabetic or have any long term chronic health issues. No you are aware who told you that they had got letters. A subtle but significant difference. Have you considered that they don't want their medical history bandied about the office? Given that you and your colleagues all think she is taking the piss maybe they feel it's not the most supportive of environments to share a private medical issue just to satisfy her colleagues curiosity?" | |||
"Yeah double the amount of time off while us poor bastards who have been made to work through it get fuck all" That's if they have a job to go back to. Then they get all the time in the world. Lucky eh?  | |||
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"They can allways find another job when it's safe to do so. Not been force to work like some people " No one has been forced to work, they could always quit and find another job | |||
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"They can allways find another job when it's safe to do so. Not been force to work like some people No one has been forced to work, they could always quit and find another job " So they find another job while the lock down is on?? | |||
"They can allways find another job when it's safe to do so. Not been force to work like some people " Forced ? | |||
"They can allways find another job when it's safe to do so. Not been force to work like some people No one has been forced to work, they could always quit and find another job " Exactly. You could always find another job when it's safe to do so | |||
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"They can allways find another job when it's safe to do so. Not been force to work like some people No one has been forced to work, they could always quit and find another job So they find another job while the lock down is on?? " I know someone who has done just that! Interviews were done via phone and Skype and she is now working from home in her new job! | |||
"Go into work or don't get paid in my eyes that's forcing people into work " Like slave labour ? | |||
"Go into work or don't get paid in my eyes that's forcing people into work " If you're able to continue working you're one of the lucky ones. If you don't like your job then get another. No reason to be so bitter towards those that are unable to work through no fault of their own and having to suffer reduced income. At least you aren't suffering financially. | |||
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"I feel that there is a total sum of jealousy all around that people have been furloughed and are getting paid 80% of their wages to just 'lounge' about! How do you know they are happy about it? How do I know that people aren't jealous? There was the story about someone picking up a prescription and then being denied to buy a lipstick whilst she was there! Because they didn't deem it a necessity, and I say it was purely because they were jealous for being allowed to sit on their are at home even though they paid assistant getting paid 100% salary thought she was being wronged in some way! With all the job loses going around, why don't people just count themselves lucky for just having one? "i dont think expecting people on furlough or shielding to have to use up annual leave they already had booked, in line with the people working who are also still using their pre booked annual leave has anything at all do with being jealous how on earth would businesses cope if just when everyone is supposed to come back to work they all have a full years entitlement to book off and use up and how would the people still at work ever get to use their leave because there would be no cover it just makes operational sense and its fairer for everyone i dont understand this train of thought that people already at home would have lost their holidays... their time just now is 100% their own if not at work , they haven't lost that time, if anything they have even more of it and its great that they have an alternative way to get income instead of using up even more of their holidays , what people really mean is it's a waste of a holiday because they have an alternative way to be home and still get paid now and that was never the purpose of the system | |||
"They can allways find another job when it's safe to do so. Not been force to work like some people No one has been forced to work, they could always quit and find another job So they find another job while the lock down is on?? " Do you see how ridiculous that suggestion but not when you suggested the exact same thing? | |||
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"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. I thought shielding was for the extremely vulnerable. Shielding only applies to people who received an official letter to say they are in the "most at risk" group. Cal" Not everyone got the letter!! My mates wife Dr told them today that due to her health condition they really must be shielding as a family but they hadn’t had a letter before | |||
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"I am sure I read your annual leave can be carried forward for 12 months - at least in England We’ve been told any annual leave already requested has to be taken. It’s up to the company if they are happy for any annual leave to be carried over, they don’t have to allow it, it’s what works best for the employer. We’ve always been allowed to carry over 10 days. They may increase it. I just thought it was a bloody cheek to already be off work and then ask for annual leave to be given back to them. They’re shielding though they have no underlying health issues and their partner works at the same place and they’re coming into work still. Some people just take the bloody piss
Yes I agree with you. For instance we have a guy who's gf has asthma so he's still on furlough, likewise a woman who lives with her elderly mum and one who can't get childcare. Whilst I understand their issues I don't see why they should get holidays if that's the case as there's nothing actually wrong with them.
I think they should have to take any annual leave already booked.
What I think would be unfair is them being off for the 12 weeks and then coming back to work and still having all their annual leave to use.
I disagree, I think it would be unfair to be forced to take time of work, to stay at home and have to sacrifice their holiday entitlement too.
Is the person in question someone you don't like? Or do you feel that because you are still working that you're getting the thin end of the wedge?
Personally, I would feel hard-done-by if I was forced to stay at home and do nothing for months... I definitely feel as though I am one if the lucky ones being able to still go to work.
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they havent sacrificed their holiday entitlement , it just happened to fall in a period when they were already home
if you have to take holidays from work just now would you believe you sacrificed your holiday entitlement? "Yes I would, I only want to take my holidays when I choose to and when I can use it how I wish. I will not book and time off until I can go and do "tourist things", not to stay at home. Cal | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. I thought shielding was for the extremely vulnerable. Shielding only applies to people who received an official letter to say they are in the "most at risk" group. Cal Not everyone got the letter!! My mates wife Dr told them today that due to her health condition they really must be shielding as a family but they hadn’t had a letter before "I don't get this "shielding as a family" thing. Surely the wife should just maintain the recommended distance from other family members within the home. I am pretty sure a "shielding letter" only covers the named individual, not the whole household, so anyone else in that household should not be able to use it as a reason not to go to work. | |||
"Yeah double the amount of time off while us poor bastards who have been made to work through it get fuck all" My best mate works for a company who have given everyone on furlough their shutdown holidays back to take when they return to work, he has worked through the whole time (and with a 10% salary sacrifice) and is really pissed off. Because it’s a unionised site, he was told that he won’t get any priority on booking holidays when everyone gets back | |||
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"If someone is off work shielding because of the virus, should any prebooked annual leave during the 12 weeks have to be taken or should the employee be able to use it at another time?" Assuming you are a PAYE employee If you are off work sick when you have holiday due you are entitled to take the Holiday at a different time, if this is not possible your employer may pay you for this time but the preferred option is to take the holiday at a later date. Shielding is being treated in a similar way to being off sick, so similar policies should apply. Would suggest discussing this with the HR department to agree in principle what will happen. | |||
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"I am sure I read your annual leave can be carried forward for 12 months - at least in England We’ve been told any annual leave already requested has to be taken. It’s up to the company if they are happy for any annual leave to be carried over, they don’t have to allow it, it’s what works best for the employer. We’ve always been allowed to carry over 10 days. They may increase it. I just thought it was a bloody cheek to already be off work and then ask for annual leave to be given back to them. They’re shielding though they have no underlying health issues and their partner works at the same place and they’re coming into work still. Some people just take the bloody piss
Yes I agree with you. For instance we have a guy who's gf has asthma so he's still on furlough, likewise a woman who lives with her elderly mum and one who can't get childcare. Whilst I understand their issues I don't see why they should get holidays if that's the case as there's nothing actually wrong with them.
I think they should have to take any annual leave already booked.
What I think would be unfair is them being off for the 12 weeks and then coming back to work and still having all their annual leave to use.
I disagree, I think it would be unfair to be forced to take time of work, to stay at home and have to sacrifice their holiday entitlement too.
Is the person in question someone you don't like? Or do you feel that because you are still working that you're getting the thin end of the wedge?
Personally, I would feel hard-done-by if I was forced to stay at home and do nothing for months... I definitely feel as though I am one if the lucky ones being able to still go to work.
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they havent sacrificed their holiday entitlement , it just happened to fall in a period when they were already home
if you have to take holidays from work just now would you believe you sacrificed your holiday entitlement?
Yes I would, I only want to take my holidays when I choose to and when I can use it how I wish.
I will not book and time off until I can go and do "tourist things", not to stay at home.
Cal"well then you have missed the point of annual leave its leave from work, time off to rest, not tourist leave ... and your work have no obligation to allow you to carry them over because you couldn't do touristy things on your time off | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks." It's hardly 12 weeks off is it. I've been sent home and told to keep away and I have to shield myself as I'm in a high risk group. It's hardly a holiday I'm having stuck at home having to rely on people dropping things at my door. When I do get back to work I fully expect some holidays to give me a break from all of this. It's no picnic you realise. | |||
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" if you have to take holidays from work just now would you believe you sacrificed your holiday entitlement? Yes I would, I only want to take my holidays when I choose to and when I can use it how I wish. I will not book and time off until I can go and do "tourist things", not to stay at home. Cal ------- well then you have missed the point of annual leave its leave from work, time off to rest, not tourist leave ... and your work have no obligation to allow you to carry them over because you couldn't do touristy things on your time off " But it isn't, it an earned allowance that I pay for whilst I am working. The fact that I have worked to accrue this allowance means that I have the right to decide when and how I use it. Holidays are not something that the employer "gives you", they just basically keep a bit of your wages each week to pay you when you choose to take the time off. Cal | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks." My work has made those sheilding for 12 weeks take atlest 1 weeks leave in that to keep it fair, and anyone who booked leave before all of this take it still, We couldnt function later in the year if everyone on isolation wanted to rebook their leave forthe second half of thr year | |||
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"They’ve been told any annual leave that they had asked for before going off work has to be taken as annual leave. " This is correct. I manage this situation for a FTSE50 business. | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. My work has made those sheilding for 12 weeks take atlest 1 weeks leave in that to keep it fair, and anyone who booked leave before all of this take it still, We couldnt function later in the year if everyone on isolation wanted to rebook their leave forthe second half of thr year" Have they made those not shielding take leave too? If not then they could be in hot water as those shielding would be covered under the equality act and could claim disability discrimination | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. My work has made those sheilding for 12 weeks take atlest 1 weeks leave in that to keep it fair, and anyone who booked leave before all of this take it still, We couldnt function later in the year if everyone on isolation wanted to rebook their leave forthe second half of thr year Have they made those not shielding take leave too? If not then they could be in hot water as those shielding would be covered under the equality act and could claim disability discrimination " Yes, if we had leave booked we had to take it, no changeing holidays, | |||
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"I am sure I read your annual leave can be carried forward for 12 months - at least in England " I think you will find that was for key workers | |||
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"If someone is off work shielding because of the virus, should any prebooked annual leave during the 12 weeks have to be taken or should the employee be able to use it at another time?" An employee should be able to reclaim it as legally employees are not allowed to be on leave and sick at the same time | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. It's hardly 12 weeks off is it. I've been sent home and told to keep away and I have to shield myself as I'm in a high risk group. It's hardly a holiday I'm having stuck at home having to rely on people dropping things at my door. When I do get back to work I fully expect some holidays to give me a break from all of this. It's no picnic you realise. " | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. It's hardly 12 weeks off is it. I've been sent home and told to keep away and I have to shield myself as I'm in a high risk group. It's hardly a holiday I'm having stuck at home having to rely on people dropping things at my door. When I do get back to work I fully expect some holidays to give me a break from all of this. It's no picnic you realise. " So will you still be " shielding " when the free money stops? | |||
"If someone is off work shielding because of the virus, should any prebooked annual leave during the 12 weeks have to be taken or should the employee be able to use it at another time? An employee should be able to reclaim it as legally employees are not allowed to be on leave and sick at the same time" Shielding isn’t sick though is it, it’s protection, isolating if got covid or suspected would only be sick. | |||
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"So what will all these people do when the free money stops. The virus hasn't gone away - yet they will all return back to work while me and so many others worked throughout. " Free money? All someone shielding is legally entitled to is SSP! If their employer decides to furlough them or pay the full pay then that’s the employer’s decision. There are very many people who are only getting the legal minimum! Oh and to answer what happens when the money stops......... I personally will be staying at home on zero pay if my medical professionals advise that stopping shielding is a risk to my life! | |||
"If someone is off work shielding because of the virus, should any prebooked annual leave during the 12 weeks have to be taken or should the employee be able to use it at another time? An employee should be able to reclaim it as legally employees are not allowed to be on leave and sick at the same time Shielding isn’t sick though is it, it’s protection, isolating if got covid or suspected would only be sick. " It may not be but my employers are happy to cancel any leave due to shielding because of COVID-19 | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. It's hardly 12 weeks off is it. I've been sent home and told to keep away and I have to shield myself as I'm in a high risk group. It's hardly a holiday I'm having stuck at home having to rely on people dropping things at my door. When I do get back to work I fully expect some holidays to give me a break from all of this. It's no picnic you realise. So will you still be " shielding " when the free money stops?" What free money? Out great great grandchildren will be paying off this debt. It's money to secure their employment so they do not lose their jobs and businesses up and down the country do not end up in adminstration or have to sack staff because they are not making money. I think the free money your referring to is the money given to workshy individuals | |||
"So what will all these people do when the free money stops. The virus hasn't gone away - yet they will all return back to work while me and so many others worked throughout. Free money? All someone shielding is legally entitled to is SSP! If their employer decides to furlough them or pay the full pay then that’s the employer’s decision. There are very many people who are only getting the legal minimum! Oh and to answer what happens when the money stops......... I personally will be staying at home on zero pay if my medical professionals advise that stopping shielding is a risk to my life! " And how will you pay your mortgage/ rent? So self righteous. Me and many others will be highly taxed for a really long time because of all the people "shielding" It fucks me right off - I work with a lot of people that have issues - but they aren't entitled to anything other than SSP - which is less than £100 a week. Living off of tax payers money isn't for everyone. | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. It's hardly 12 weeks off is it. I've been sent home and told to keep away and I have to shield myself as I'm in a high risk group. It's hardly a holiday I'm having stuck at home having to rely on people dropping things at my door. When I do get back to work I fully expect some holidays to give me a break from all of this. It's no picnic you realise. So will you still be " shielding " when the free money stops? What free money? Out great great grandchildren will be paying off this debt. It's money to secure their employment so they do not lose their jobs and businesses up and down the country do not end up in adminstration or have to sack staff because they are not making money. I think the free money your referring to is the money given to workshy individuals" Yep the work shy individuals that are taking the piss "shielding" I'm on a low income and pay so much money in tax to fund these peoe and like you said for many years to come. I'm sick of it | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. It's hardly 12 weeks off is it. I've been sent home and told to keep away and I have to shield myself as I'm in a high risk group. It's hardly a holiday I'm having stuck at home having to rely on people dropping things at my door. When I do get back to work I fully expect some holidays to give me a break from all of this. It's no picnic you realise. " its also no picnic for the people who have had to continue to work throughout. | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. It's hardly 12 weeks off is it. I've been sent home and told to keep away and I have to shield myself as I'm in a high risk group. It's hardly a holiday I'm having stuck at home having to rely on people dropping things at my door. When I do get back to work I fully expect some holidays to give me a break from all of this. It's no picnic you realise. its also no picnic for the people who have had to continue to work throughout." Exactly! Wearing PPE and the threat of getting the virus because you're not 'entitled' to anything. I'm not sure I want to risk my life for a nation of selfish people. Us 'Keyworkers' are quite frankly sick of it. Everyone else has been given a paid 3 month holiday. I'm actually fuming about it. | |||
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"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. It's hardly 12 weeks off is it. I've been sent home and told to keep away and I have to shield myself as I'm in a high risk group. It's hardly a holiday I'm having stuck at home having to rely on people dropping things at my door. When I do get back to work I fully expect some holidays to give me a break from all of this. It's no picnic you realise. So will you still be " shielding " when the free money stops? What free money? Out great great grandchildren will be paying off this debt. It's money to secure their employment so they do not lose their jobs and businesses up and down the country do not end up in adminstration or have to sack staff because they are not making money. I think the free money your referring to is the money given to workshy individuals Yep the work shy individuals that are taking the piss "shielding" I'm on a low income and pay so much money in tax to fund these peoe and like you said for many years to come. I'm sick of it" Work shy individuals taking the piss shielding? Are you for real? Those of us shielding are doing so because our medical professionals feel that if we catch the virus there is a very high chance that we will die!!!! We are not sitting locked in our houses in solitary confinement for months on end just for fun!!!! I know, let’s not bother with shielding, why don’t we allow 2 million people die? Ooh I know, let’s not wait for that to happen, why not just euthanise is all instead!!!! | |||
"It isn't other peoples fault they were furloughed. They were told to by the Government. the people being shielded were to help the NHS stay on top of things. " Yeah I know - I'm just a bit bitter at the moment as work is really hard at the moment. People that had no choice to be furloughed are a different matter to the people 'shielding ' and quite a lot of them are taking the piss. I work for a private healthcare company that provides care for a lot of vulnerable people and we just can't cope with the lack of staff at the moment - this is the first half day I've had in a long time. We're all exhausted and sick and tired of all of it. | |||
"It isn't other peoples fault they were furloughed. They were told to by the Government. the people being shielded were to help the NHS stay on top of things. Yeah I know - I'm just a bit bitter at the moment as work is really hard at the moment. People that had no choice to be furloughed are a different matter to the people 'shielding ' and quite a lot of them are taking the piss. I work for a private healthcare company that provides care for a lot of vulnerable people and we just can't cope with the lack of staff at the moment - this is the first half day I've had in a long time. We're all exhausted and sick and tired of all of it. " If you’re not happy then find another job | |||
"It isn't other peoples fault they were furloughed. They were told to by the Government. the people being shielded were to help the NHS stay on top of things. Yeah I know - I'm just a bit bitter at the moment as work is really hard at the moment. People that had no choice to be furloughed are a different matter to the people 'shielding ' and quite a lot of them are taking the piss. " But they had no choice either, they were told to | |||
"It isn't other peoples fault they were furloughed. They were told to by the Government. the people being shielded were to help the NHS stay on top of things. Yeah I know - I'm just a bit bitter at the moment as work is really hard at the moment. People that had no choice to be furloughed are a different matter to the people 'shielding ' and quite a lot of them are taking the piss. I work for a private healthcare company that provides care for a lot of vulnerable people and we just can't cope with the lack of staff at the moment - this is the first half day I've had in a long time. We're all exhausted and sick and tired of all of it. If you’re not happy then find another job" Thankyou. I'm looking after all of you - Im one of the people you all clap for on Thursdays. It's nice to be appreciated. | |||
"It isn't other peoples fault they were furloughed. They were told to by the Government. the people being shielded were to help the NHS stay on top of things. Yeah I know - I'm just a bit bitter at the moment as work is really hard at the moment. People that had no choice to be furloughed are a different matter to the people 'shielding ' and quite a lot of them are taking the piss. I work for a private healthcare company that provides care for a lot of vulnerable people and we just can't cope with the lack of staff at the moment - this is the first half day I've had in a long time. We're all exhausted and sick and tired of all of it. If you’re not happy then find another job Thankyou. I'm looking after all of you - Im one of the people you all clap for on Thursdays. It's nice to be appreciated. " most do appreciate you. as shown on a Thursday. keep up the good work.  | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. It's hardly 12 weeks off is it. I've been sent home and told to keep away and I have to shield myself as I'm in a high risk group. It's hardly a holiday I'm having stuck at home having to rely on people dropping things at my door. When I do get back to work I fully expect some holidays to give me a break from all of this. It's no picnic you realise. its also no picnic for the people who have had to continue to work throughout." its no picnic for anyone really. people are either out on the front line risking themselves but still getting paid working from home, often all the hours under the sun because remote access is slower, still adapting, covering for team members with childcare issues but still getting paid shielding still getting paid but never allowed to leave the house even for something as (un) exciting as the supermarket on furlough with all the free time in the world but stressed that their job is about to disappear in front of their eyes they all have elements to be thankful for and elements that suck its ok for everyone to be a but frustrated with their own situation its also ok to empathise with others facing a different struggle | |||
" its also no picnic for the people who have had to continue to work throughout. its no picnic for anyone really. people are either out on the front line risking themselves but still getting paid working from home, often all the hours under the sun because remote access is slower, still adapting, covering for team members with childcare issues but still getting paid shielding still getting paid but never allowed to leave the house even for something as (un) exciting as the supermarket on furlough with all the free time in the world but stressed that their job is about to disappear in front of their eyes they all have elements to be thankful for and elements that suck its ok for everyone to be a but frustrated with their own situation its also ok to empathise with others facing a different struggle " Most definitely this^^^ I'm one of the one's working from home, yes I am getting paid, but I seem to be getting rota'd all the tougher jobs that take longer, why would that be? Probably because I don't have childcare issues etc, and pick up the slack that others don't seem to pick up on. And yes you are right, working remotely takes a lot longer as just trying to open files is a nightmare! But I am just getting on with things under stressful conditions I've never dealt with before. | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks." . It does seem a bit unfair and working for the civil service I know of a couple of colleagues that have tried that line which I feel is wrong in view of how many people have passed away due to Covid19.When I returned to work after 4 weeks off with flu like symptoms I was told by my manager I should take leave as normal as if the office opened and we were short staffed leave maybe declined on the grounds of business needs and may not be able to carry more than the normal 10 days over. | |||
"It isn't other peoples fault they were furloughed. They were told to by the Government. the people being shielded were to help the NHS stay on top of things. Yeah I know - I'm just a bit bitter at the moment as work is really hard at the moment. People that had no choice to be furloughed are a different matter to the people 'shielding ' and quite a lot of them are taking the piss. I work for a private healthcare company that provides care for a lot of vulnerable people and we just can't cope with the lack of staff at the moment - this is the first half day I've had in a long time. We're all exhausted and sick and tired of all of it. If you’re not happy then find another job" Do you really see life as that simple at the moment? All those health professionals near burn out ...oh stuff that find another job. Really? | |||
"It isn't other peoples fault they were furloughed. They were told to by the Government. the people being shielded were to help the NHS stay on top of things. Yeah I know - I'm just a bit bitter at the moment as work is really hard at the moment. People that had no choice to be furloughed are a different matter to the people 'shielding ' and quite a lot of them are taking the piss. I work for a private healthcare company that provides care for a lot of vulnerable people and we just can't cope with the lack of staff at the moment - this is the first half day I've had in a long time. We're all exhausted and sick and tired of all of it. If you’re not happy then find another job Do you really see life as that simple at the moment? All those health professionals near burn out ...oh stuff that find another job. Really?" How did the health professionals get "burned out" I'd they were shielding ??? | |||
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"I can see a few ETs taking place over this. Paid leave is a statutory requirement as is any contractual obligation between an employer/employee that goes above the statutory minimum. You can't simply 'lose' parts of a statutory requirement. I await with eager anticipation...." using pre booked leave while you happen to be at home shielding is not losing it ... its using it | |||
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"It isn't other peoples fault they were furloughed. They were told to by the Government. the people being shielded were to help the NHS stay on top of things. Yeah I know - I'm just a bit bitter at the moment as work is really hard at the moment. People that had no choice to be furloughed are a different matter to the people 'shielding ' and quite a lot of them are taking the piss. I work for a private healthcare company that provides care for a lot of vulnerable people and we just can't cope with the lack of staff at the moment - this is the first half day I've had in a long time. We're all exhausted and sick and tired of all of it. If you’re not happy then find another job Do you really see life as that simple at the moment? All those health professionals near burn out ...oh stuff that find another job. Really? How did the health professionals get "burned out" I'd they were shielding ???" They weren't shielding. They were working, hence the burn out. | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. It's hardly 12 weeks off is it. I've been sent home and told to keep away and I have to shield myself as I'm in a high risk group. It's hardly a holiday I'm having stuck at home having to rely on people dropping things at my door. When I do get back to work I fully expect some holidays to give me a break from all of this. It's no picnic you realise. So will you still be " shielding " when the free money stops? What free money? Out great great grandchildren will be paying off this debt. It's money to secure their employment so they do not lose their jobs and businesses up and down the country do not end up in adminstration or have to sack staff because they are not making money. I think the free money your referring to is the money given to workshy individuals Yep the work shy individuals that are taking the piss "shielding" I'm on a low income and pay so much money in tax to fund these peoe and like you said for many years to come. I'm sick of it Work shy individuals taking the piss shielding? Are you for real? Those of us shielding are doing so because our medical professionals feel that if we catch the virus there is a very high chance that we will die!!!! We are not sitting locked in our houses in solitary confinement for months on end just for fun!!!! I know, let’s not bother with shielding, why don’t we allow 2 million people die? Ooh I know, let’s not wait for that to happen, why not just euthanise is all instead!!!!" Firstly when I said workshy, I meant those people who have been unemployed all their lives and have no intention of getting a job and are quite happy to sign on for the rest of their lives so you have completely misread my reply. And if you read my opening line you will have read "What free money? Out great great grandchildren will be paying off this debt". You're will have read this "So will you still be " shielding " when the free money stops?" But I can't see your reply to that. And you've chosen tonight ignore my 2nf paragraph giving reasons as to why people are furloughed. So I'll be absolutely clear for you. The workshy people I refer to are the unemployed who have been claiming benefits all their lives (Unemployment Benefits, JSA and now the unemployed element of Universal Credit). Not individuals who have been told to shield for whatever medical reason. And to be absolutely clear! I'm not extracting the urine! Have a nice day | |||
"It isn't other peoples fault they were furloughed. They were told to by the Government. the people being shielded were to help the NHS stay on top of things. Yeah I know - I'm just a bit bitter at the moment as work is really hard at the moment. People that had no choice to be furloughed are a different matter to the people 'shielding ' and quite a lot of them are taking the piss. I work for a private healthcare company that provides care for a lot of vulnerable people and we just can't cope with the lack of staff at the moment - this is the first half day I've had in a long time. We're all exhausted and sick and tired of all of it. If you’re not happy then find another job Do you really see life as that simple at the moment? All those health professionals near burn out ...oh stuff that find another job. Really? How did the health professionals get "burned out" I'd they were shielding ??? They weren't shielding. They were working, hence the burn out. " Then of course they can have their holidays I really don't see your point ??? | |||
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"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. " They would not be shielding UNLESS they had a letter from a clinician stating that they was at an increased risk. How would you know somebodies underlying health issues? I get that it is annoying but I have 2 friends both shielding and they are Struggling with being in the whole time | |||
"So they want 12 weeks off work fully paid and then have all their annual leave on top of the 12 weeks. But... they can't take a holiday with their annual leave, if they were off sick, their anual leave would be reinstated. It's not like anyone has chosen to be in this situation. Cal Nobody can take a holiday with their annual leave. Why should they get extra time off work on top of the 12 weeks already? They don’t actually have any underlying health problems. They would not be shielding UNLESS they had a letter from a clinician stating that they was at an increased risk. How would you know somebodies underlying health issues? I get that it is annoying but I have 2 friends both shielding and they are Struggling with being in the whole time" We are all pretty open with each other at work. In the beginning, she wanted to use the fact schools had shut as a reason not to come to work until we were classified as key workers so her children could attend school. She didn’t get a letter telling her to shield, I can absolutely guarantee if she had, I’d have known about it as she would have been vocal about it (not in a nasty way, just that it’s something at work we would have all discussed). | |||
