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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago
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"https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/28/lack-evidence-lockdowns-actually-worked-world-scandal/
What's the point in posting a link that requires a subscription?"
Sorry didn't realise |
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"https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/28/lack-evidence-lockdowns-actually-worked-world-scandal/
What's the point in posting a link that requires a subscription?
Sorry didn't realise"
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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You can search the term and find it at another web address.
Also. IPSOS Survey says that 1 in 7 people have had a visitor to their home!
All those Naughty Cumming's'zz. Well can you imagine that?  |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm in a park and there's a group of 16 people sat together. Lol
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Big Family lol - I just drove past road works and saw 7 men all stood in a circle looking into the 'usual hole,' three of them with arms around each other. |
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"I'm in a park and there's a group of 16 people sat together. Lol
Big Family lol - I just drove past road works and saw 7 men all stood in a circle looking into the 'usual hole,' three of them with arms around each other. "
Were they "Looking into it" |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke. |
"I'm in a park and there's a group of 16 people sat together. Lol
Big Family lol - I just drove past road works and saw 7 men all stood in a circle looking into the 'usual hole,' three of them with arms around each other.
Were they "Looking into it" "
As they always do lol. |
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"I'm in a park and there's a group of 16 people sat together. Lol
Big Family lol - I just drove past road works and saw 7 men all stood in a circle looking into the 'usual hole,' three of them with arms around each other. "
I've worked out from observing them for a bit that there's 4 different households.
Also, a group of 8 teenagers have just walked past lol. No physical distancing.
People have had enough haven't they. |
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And what the media say is gospel then
Really??
Its common sense that if you starve a virus of a host it will die off far more quickly.
That's not rocket science, just common sense.
Oh yes, you are talking about the media, like many, they dont posses any!!  |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke. |
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I've worked out from observing them for a bit that there's 4 different households.
Also, a group of 8 teenagers have just walked past lol. No physical distancing.
People have had enough haven't they. "
Its fun doin that lol. A week ago I saw three sets of teens in twos playing rounders (it was a good game too) All were SD'ing (except when it came to swopping the bat) lol. |
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Lockdown worked here. We obeyed it, banged up those who broke it, no new cases in 10 days & only 3 left active to clear. Restrictions being lifted each week in a sensible manner. Keeping our borders shut for as long as it takes because of the complete selfish mess the UK government & it's citizens have gotten into by going crazy in the sun. Thankfully the clever uk scientists are now managing to escape from being blamed by Boris as they avoid having the blame being dumped on them & dump it back on the gov.
Our own government here has done a great job doing its own policy. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"Lockdown worked here. We obeyed it, banged up those who broke it, no new cases in 10 days & only 3 left active to clear. Restrictions being lifted each week in a sensible manner. Keeping our borders shut for as long as it takes because of the complete selfish mess the UK government & it's citizens have gotten into by going crazy in the sun. Thankfully the clever uk scientists are now managing to escape from being blamed by Boris as they avoid having the blame being dumped on them & dump it back on the gov.
Our own government here has done a great job doing its own policy. "
1,395 fines were issued in Wales for breaches - so not perfect but . ..
Overall in England and Wales there were 15,552 fines.
Population of Wales 3million.
Population of England 56million.
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I've worked out from observing them for a bit that there's 4 different households.
Also, a group of 8 teenagers have just walked past lol. No physical distancing.
People have had enough haven't they.
Its fun doin that lol. A week ago I saw three sets of teens in twos playing rounders (it was a good game too) All were SD'ing (except when it came to swopping the bat) lol."
Swapping the bat - is that a euphemism? Lol
The group of 16 are now on the move. They've had enough.
And splitting into 4 packs as they disperse.. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke. |
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Swapping the bat - is that a euphemism? Lol
The group of 16 are now on the move. They've had enough.
And splitting into 4 packs as they disperse.."
Are you going to follow them home? Did you arrive in 4 cars lol? |
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"You can search the term and find it at another web address.
Also. IPSOS Survey says that 1 in 7 people have had a visitor to their home!
All those Naughty Cumming's'zz. Well can you imagine that? "
Yes but the government wasn't expecting 100% of people to stick to the rules, they would have factored in people breaking the rules before they were announced. |
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The really dangerous time for this was just before and as the lockdown started, when the numbers of people infected were doubling every 2 or 3 days, during its exponential growth.
We're at a different point now, with fewer people who have it who can infect others.
I'm fairly confident that our lockdown reduced the crisis levels to our current lower levels. If the op can clarify how it didn't, that would be helpful. We should have had an earlier lockdown, which calculations show could have reduced deaths by around 20,000. The hospital and care home deaths could have been reduced if we'd been intelligent, providing equipment, resources and not chosen to ignore the problems |
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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago
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"The really dangerous time for this was just before and as the lockdown started, when the numbers of people infected were doubling every 2 or 3 days, during its exponential growth.
We're at a different point now, with fewer people who have it who can infect others.
I'm fairly confident that our lockdown reduced the crisis levels to our current lower levels. If the op can clarify how it didn't, that would be helpful. We should have had an earlier lockdown, which calculations show could have reduced deaths by around 20,000. The hospital and care home deaths could have been reduced if we'd been intelligent, providing equipment, resources and not chosen to ignore the problems "
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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago
Wiltshire and London |
"https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/28/lack-evidence-lockdowns-actually-worked-world-scandal/
Define "work". "
Define “scandal”. Methinks the puppet press are trying distraction here. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Lockdown works before lockdown r was about 4 now 0.8 ish.
What they won't or can't tell you is for how long.
If r is less than 0.9 you will have to stay in lockdown for about 10 years or r will automatically rise.
So yes lockdown works just like baning cars stops people getting run over? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lockdown worked here. We obeyed it, banged up those who broke it, no new cases in 10 days & only 3 left active to clear. Restrictions being lifted each week in a sensible manner. Keeping our borders shut for as long as it takes because of the complete selfish mess the UK government & it's citizens have gotten into by going crazy in the sun. Thankfully the clever uk scientists are now managing to escape from being blamed by Boris as they avoid having the blame being dumped on them & dump it back on the gov.
Our own government here has done a great job doing its own policy.
1,395 fines were issued in Wales for breaches - so not perfect but . ..
Overall in England and Wales there were 15,552 fines.
Population of Wales 3million.
Population of England 56million.
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Proportionally more in Wales. I assume that's your point. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/28/lack-evidence-lockdowns-actually-worked-world-scandal/"
just post your findings word for word is it like the song scandalous?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lockdown worked here. We obeyed it, banged up those who broke it, no new cases in 10 days & only 3 left active to clear. Restrictions being lifted each week in a sensible manner. Keeping our borders shut for as long as it takes because of the complete selfish mess the UK government & it's citizens have gotten into by going crazy in the sun. Thankfully the clever uk scientists are now managing to escape from being blamed by Boris as they avoid having the blame being dumped on them & dump it back on the gov.
Our own government here has done a great job doing its own policy.
1,395 fines were issued in Wales for breaches - so not perfect but . ..
Overall in England and Wales there were 15,552 fines.
Population of Wales 3million.
Population of England 56million.
Proportionally more in Wales. I assume that's your point. "
Might have deterred people if there furlough pay was also removed as well as a fine.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm in a park and there's a group of 16 people sat together. Lol
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I went for a walk up Worstershire Beacon (Malvern) the other day. The "group" around the trig point taking selfies certainly weren't from one household....about 15 of them in a scrum... ridiculous. No wonder the R number isn't coming down much. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/28/lack-evidence-lockdowns-actually-worked-world-scandal/"
A lockdown for something that's not highly infectious
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"And what the media say is gospel then
Really??
Its common sense that if you starve a virus of a host it will die off far more quickly.
That's not rocket science, just common sense.
Oh yes, you are talking about the media, like many, they dont posses any!! "
The media are brainwashing everyone have been for years project mockingbird
Official government information from their website
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid |
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"I'm in a park and there's a group of 16 people sat together. Lol
I went for a walk up Worstershire Beacon (Malvern) the other day. The "group" around the trig point taking selfies certainly weren't from one household....about 15 of them in a scrum... ridiculous. No wonder the R number isn't coming down much. "
There's big assumption in there
Maybe none of them were infected ?
Statistically none would have been, were you infecting them ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/28/lack-evidence-lockdowns-actually-worked-world-scandal/just post your findings word for word is it like the song scandalous? "
i need some stimulation baby |
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"I'm in a park and there's a group of 16 people sat together. Lol
Big Family lol - I just drove past road works and saw 7 men all stood in a circle looking into the 'usual hole,' three of them with arms around each other. "
Were they gay or bi was the hole in the road and most important was it round or square |
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By *KandACouple
over a year ago
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Lots of people died from this "not highly infectious" virus. Lots of experts have studied this but RandyKevin from Fab knows so now we can stand these specialists down. What should we do now RandyKev? We need an expert view so please enlighten us. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/28/lack-evidence-lockdowns-actually-worked-world-scandal/
What's the point in posting a link that requires a subscription?"
I guess the main point here is that OP subscribes to the Telegraph.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Lots of people died from this "not highly infectious" virus. Lots of experts have studied this but RandyKevin from Fab knows so now we can stand these specialists down. What should we do now RandyKev? We need an expert view so please enlighten us."
ask karen,PC
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"https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/28/lack-evidence-lockdowns-actually-worked-world-scandal/
What's the point in posting a link that requires a subscription?
I guess the main point here is that OP subscribes to the Telegraph.
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And hasn't provided any further details or evidence, other than a link to a site that 99% can't access.
He doesn't explain how the UK infection rates dropped after the lockdown started. I'm guessing that it's not a mysterious coincidence |
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By *edVelveteenCouple
over a year ago
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It all depends on whether you think the lockdown is to starve the virus of a host, thereby killing it. Or you realise lockdown is to slow the spread to enable hospitals (intensive care, staff, equipment) to cope with the number of sick at any given time. |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"Lockdown worked here. We obeyed it, banged up those who broke it, no new cases in 10 days & only 3 left active to clear. Restrictions being lifted each week in a sensible manner. Keeping our borders shut for as long as it takes because of the complete selfish mess the UK government & it's citizens have gotten into by going crazy in the sun. Thankfully the clever uk scientists are now managing to escape from being blamed by Boris as they avoid having the blame being dumped on them & dump it back on the gov.
Our own government here has done a great job doing its own policy.
1,395 fines were issued in Wales for breaches - so not perfect but . ..
Overall in England and Wales there were 15,552 fines.
Population of Wales 3million.
Population of England 56million.
Proportionally more in Wales. I assume that's your point. "
Why are you all quoting Welsh figures at the gurl from the isle of man?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Seems to have worked in other countries. Look at NZ for example."
If you implement an extremely strict lockdown before the virus has a chance to become established within a population AND combine that with measures to prevent imported cases AND you are prepared to enforce and sustain the lockdown long enough then yes, you can eradictae the virus that way.
That is what NZ did, helped by low density of population and island status.
The UK has the island status but also has a high to very high density of population, especially in SE England.
We did not impose a strict lockdown and border closure when there were very few cases, thus allowing the disease to become established within the population. That was a political decision.
Once the disease is established, lockdown as an eradication tool is useless. There is simply no way at that stage in any democracy that you could implement a lockdown to the level required to eradicate the disease completely. Therfor the only purpose of a lockdown is to delay the spread of the disease to mitigate the immediate impact on medical services.
Some believe this strategy is pointless and that the eventual number of deaths form Covid will be largely the same with or without the lockdowns.
It's even possible the damage, disruption and socioeconomic impact of lockdown may in fact prove more harmful than allowing the disease to run it's natural course. (I stress this is contentious and no scientific concensus exists at present.)
For those interested in the actual science & not the press interpritation of it, both the Lancet and the BMJ have made all coronavirus content freely available for the duration of the pandemic.
The article the Telegraph seem to be referencing is here : https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31035-7/fulltext |
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"https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/28/lack-evidence-lockdowns-actually-worked-world-scandal/"
You've posted a link to an opinion piece by a climate change denier. WHy do you think any of us should take her seriously?
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