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"From Playstore on your Android device. With your device charging overnight it crunches through calculations for Covid and other medical research. I'd encourage you all to be scientists whilst you all sleep "You'll find nearly everbody here can make up the figures without an app  | |||
"From Playstore on your Android device. With your device charging overnight it crunches through calculations for Covid and other medical research. I'd encourage you all to be scientists whilst you all sleep
You'll find nearly everbody here can make up the figures without an app "This may be something similar to the "folding at home" project, which uses spare time of your computer for doing vital calculations to discover ways in which drugs might be able to attack the covid virus. Helping narrow the search for cures, speeding up the way out of this crisis. Each persons computer only does a little bit of the work, but with enough people worldwide joining in, it makes a big difference to the medical research. | |||
"From Playstore on your Android device. With your device charging overnight it crunches through calculations for Covid and other medical research. I'd encourage you all to be scientists whilst you all sleep
You'll find nearly everbody here can make up the figures without an app "Are you saying that this is not worth doing? Are you saying that there is no benefit in assessing the molecular properties of existing drugs for their efficacy in treating Covid-19? Is it that you are trying to be funny? | |||
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"Think there is enough stuff to plough thru from the media thrust in our faces all day and night long with out this sort of app " The app does not give you any information from anybody. It uses your mobile device as a computer to carry out scientific calculations. | |||
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"Think there is enough stuff to plough thru from the media thrust in our faces all day and night long with out this sort of app The app does not give you any information from anybody. It uses your mobile device as a computer to carry out scientific calculations." Sounds boring | |||
"So it turns out our world beating Crap is App ... did I get that right" This is not the government track and trace app. This is an app from Imperial College that uses your mobile device to conduct scientific research whilst you sleep. | |||
"Think there is enough stuff to plough thru from the media thrust in our faces all day and night long with out this sort of app The app does not give you any information from anybody. It uses your mobile device as a computer to carry out scientific calculations. Sounds boring " It's not a game to entertain you. It's something to help treat people and save some lives. Boring for you I guess. No problem. Carry on. | |||
"So it turns out our world beating Crap is App ... did I get that right This is not the government track and trace app. This is an app from Imperial College that uses your mobile device to conduct scientific research whilst you sleep." Thanks for putting me right x | |||
"From Playstore on your Android device. With your device charging overnight it crunches through calculations for Covid and other medical research. I'd encourage you all to be scientists whilst you all sleep
You'll find nearly everbody here can make up the figures without an app
This may be something similar to the "folding at home" project, which uses spare time of your computer for doing vital calculations to discover ways in which drugs might be able to attack the covid virus. Helping narrow the search for cures, speeding up the way out of this crisis. Each persons computer only does a little bit of the work, but with enough people worldwide joining in, it makes a big difference to the medical research."That project helped to evaluate cancer treatment drugs, which was another worthy approach. It can become the equivalent of the world's most powerful supercomputer testing medicines to help save lives, just by using an idle phone. It's an admirable goal that just needs a phone that's doing nothing whilst you sleep, running like the project to beat cancer. Thanks op  | |||
"Think there is enough stuff to plough thru from the media thrust in our faces all day and night long with out this sort of app The app does not give you any information from anybody. It uses your mobile device as a computer to carry out scientific calculations." Like mining for bitcoin? | |||
"Think there is enough stuff to plough thru from the media thrust in our faces all day and night long with out this sort of app The app does not give you any information from anybody. It uses your mobile device as a computer to carry out scientific calculations. Like mining for bitcoin?" It doesn't make any money for you. It loans the computing power of your phone to medical research while you are not using it. The combined power of millions of phones and home computers across the world produces the effect of a super mega computer, more powerful than any existing system. Research teams have been using this to help in searches for solutions to cancer, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and other awful diseases, and this year turning the attention to covid-19. Clapping on the doorstep may give an emotional boost to our essential workers, but joining in the effort of these global science projects can make a real difference and ultimately save lives. I personally shall be very proud that when a cure for covid, a treatment for alzheimers, a fix for cystic fibrosis comes along, i will be able to say "i helped that happen". | |||
"Think there is enough stuff to plough thru from the media thrust in our faces all day and night long with out this sort of app The app does not give you any information from anybody. It uses your mobile device as a computer to carry out scientific calculations. Like mining for bitcoin? It doesn't make any money for you. It loans the computing power of your phone to medical research while you are not using it. The combined power of millions of phones and home computers across the world produces the effect of a super mega computer, more powerful than any existing system. Research teams have been using this to help in searches for solutions to cancer, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and other awful diseases, and this year turning the attention to covid-19. Clapping on the doorstep may give an emotional boost to our essential workers, but joining in the effort of these global science projects can make a real difference and ultimately save lives. I personally shall be very proud that when a cure for covid, a treatment for alzheimers, a fix for cystic fibrosis comes along, i will be able to say "i helped that happen"." Yes 
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"From Playstore on your Android device. With your device charging overnight it crunches through calculations for Covid and other medical research. I'd encourage you all to be scientists whilst you all sleep
You'll find nearly everbody here can make up the figures without an app
Are you saying that this is not worth doing?
Are you saying that there is no benefit in assessing the molecular properties of existing drugs for their efficacy in treating Covid-19?
Is it that you are trying to be funny?"Calm yourself down, is sarcasm beyond you. But I very much doubt that using an app to harness the processing power of some mobile phones is going to save the planet in comparison to what can be acheived by a few decent computers. | |||
"From Playstore on your Android device. With your device charging overnight it crunches through calculations for Covid and other medical research. I'd encourage you all to be scientists whilst you all sleep
You'll find nearly everbody here can make up the figures without an app
Are you saying that this is not worth doing?
Are you saying that there is no benefit in assessing the molecular properties of existing drugs for their efficacy in treating Covid-19?
Is it that you are trying to be funny?
Calm yourself down, is sarcasm beyond you.
But I very much doubt that using an app to harness the processing power of some mobile phones is going to save the planet in comparison to what can be acheived by a few decent computers."The process has made huge developments in medical research possible already, including in screening for cancer treatments. I ran the PC version on lots of computers at college and was grateful for having done so before my dad died from cancer. Until we screen potential treatments, many years of research work would otherwise be needed and at huge costs in terms of the sophistication of the computing or staff levels. Towards a million phones have been dedicated to this specific task to date, which is a lot of processing power that our phones wouldn't have been doing anything with. Any one of us could have our dearest loved one's life saved by this small donation. | |||
"From Playstore on your Android device. With your device charging overnight it crunches through calculations for Covid and other medical research. I'd encourage you all to be scientists whilst you all sleep
You'll find nearly everbody here can make up the figures without an app
Are you saying that this is not worth doing?
Are you saying that there is no benefit in assessing the molecular properties of existing drugs for their efficacy in treating Covid-19?
Is it that you are trying to be funny?
Calm yourself down, is sarcasm beyond you.
But I very much doubt that using an app to harness the processing power of some mobile phones is going to save the planet in comparison to what can be acheived by a few decent computers.
The process has made huge developments in medical research possible already, including in screening for cancer treatments. I ran the PC version on lots of computers at college and was grateful for having done so before my dad died from cancer. Until we screen potential treatments, many years of research work would otherwise be needed and at huge costs in terms of the sophistication of the computing or staff levels.
Towards a million phones have been dedicated to this specific task to date, which is a lot of processing power that our phones wouldn't have been doing anything with.
Any one of us could have our dearest loved one's life saved by this small donation. "Yes and as already stated, it's more effective than clapping on your doorstep. I have 2 RPi4 running BOINC 24/7 and my main rig running Folding@home overnight and when unused. | |||
"From Playstore on your Android device. With your device charging overnight it crunches through calculations for Covid and other medical research. I'd encourage you all to be scientists whilst you all sleep
You'll find nearly everbody here can make up the figures without an app " | |||
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"From Playstore on your Android device. With your device charging overnight it crunches through calculations for Covid and other medical research. I'd encourage you all to be scientists whilst you all sleep
You'll find nearly everbody here can make up the figures without an app
Are you saying that this is not worth doing?
Are you saying that there is no benefit in assessing the molecular properties of existing drugs for their efficacy in treating Covid-19?
Is it that you are trying to be funny?
Calm yourself down, is sarcasm beyond you.
But I very much doubt that using an app to harness the processing power of some mobile phones is going to save the planet in comparison to what can be acheived by a few decent computers."Sarcasm aimed at what? An app that uses millions of CPU hours to complete huge amounts of complex research to advance medical science for free so that funding can be used elsewhere? You've completely misunderstood. Don't download it. Do nothing | |||
"From Playstore on your Android device. With your device charging overnight it crunches through calculations for Covid and other medical research. I'd encourage you all to be scientists whilst you all sleep
You'll find nearly everbody here can make up the figures without an app
"Reading and understanding the purpose of this not your thing either then? | |||
If anyone else is passing through and starts using it please right a line and keep the thread running so more people see it | |||
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"OP mentions Playstore / Android The App is also available for iPhone via the App Store... " Good point | |||
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"Does it use your data? " It does not access your data. It just uses your processor to run calculations. Do confirm for yourself though if that is a concern. | |||
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"I installed the app but it does not seem to be working. It connects correctly and everything appears to be OK but no calculations are occurring." I think it only performs calculations when the phone is charging. | |||
"I installed the app but it does not seem to be working. It connects correctly and everything appears to be OK but no calculations are occurring. I think it only performs calculations when the phone is charging." Thats 3 days now and nothing. The phone is put on charge when I go to bed. Well give it the weekend, if nothing happens I will delete it. | |||
"I installed the app but it does not seem to be working. It connects correctly and everything appears to be OK but no calculations are occurring." Your phone has to be plugged in and charging for the app to work. Ms x | |||
"I installed the app but it does not seem to be working. It connects correctly and everything appears to be OK but no calculations are occurring. Your phone has to be plugged in and charging for the app to work. Ms x " Yep its put on charge every night. | |||
"I installed the app but it does not seem to be working. It connects correctly and everything appears to be OK but no calculations are occurring. I think it only performs calculations when the phone is charging. Thats 3 days now and nothing. The phone is put on charge when I go to bed. Well give it the weekend, if nothing happens I will delete it." Do you start the app when you plug in the phone? Ms x | |||
"I installed the app but it does not seem to be working. It connects correctly and everything appears to be OK but no calculations are occurring. I think it only performs calculations when the phone is charging. Thats 3 days now and nothing. The phone is put on charge when I go to bed. Well give it the weekend, if nothing happens I will delete it. Do you start the app when you plug in the phone? Ms x" Its left running in the background. I came out the app then went back in yesterday but still not getting anywhere. | |||
"I installed the app but it does not seem to be working. It connects correctly and everything appears to be OK but no calculations are occurring. I think it only performs calculations when the phone is charging. Thats 3 days now and nothing. The phone is put on charge when I go to bed. Well give it the weekend, if nothing happens I will delete it. Do you start the app when you plug in the phone? Ms x Its left running in the background. I came out the app then went back in yesterday but still not getting anywhere. " Hmm that's strange. I start the app and then plug in the phone to charge and I can see the status change in the app so that it's working. I hope you can sort it out. Ms x | |||
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"I installed the app but it does not seem to be working. It connects correctly and everything appears to be OK but no calculations are occurring. I think it only performs calculations when the phone is charging. Thats 3 days now and nothing. The phone is put on charge when I go to bed. Well give it the weekend, if nothing happens I will delete it. Do you start the app when you plug in the phone? Ms x Its left running in the background. I came out the app then went back in yesterday but still not getting anywhere. Hmm that's strange. I start the app and then plug in the phone to charge and I can see the status change in the app so that it's working. I hope you can sort it out. Ms x" I've done that a couple of times and still nothing. The only thing I haven't done is delete the app then reinstall. | |||
"Basically it sounds like your giving permission for someone to remotely use the processing power of your phone or laptop...does it not also allow them to access your data ? No thanks..we have firewalls and security to prevent this ever happening for a reason..its very much similar in process to the bitcoin data miners etc that hack pcs etc to allow this to happen..why the college might have good intentions I won't allow others I don't know to personally hack into any device of ours that contains information.." It's a similar principal to the BOINC client you can run on computers. They can pose a risk as it downloads and uploads in the background, however if the app is well designed and also does actually release your processor power back to you when you want to do anything on the device it's risk is small. The main problem with running this sort of thing on a phone is they aren't really designed for it. It generates a significant amount of heat as the processor never stops working and phones don't have fans to cool them. Heat is notoriously bad for LiPo batteries in phones so I would expect it to significantly reduce the lifetime of your battery. | |||
"Does it use your data? It does not access your data. It just uses your processor to run calculations. Do confirm for yourself though if that is a concern." Thanks for the information, I’ve downloaded it and well done for keeping your cool and giving calm reasoned answers. I don’t think I could have managed that | |||
"Does it use your data? It does not access your data. It just uses your processor to run calculations. Do confirm for yourself though if that is a concern. Thanks for the information, I’ve downloaded it and well done for keeping your cool and giving calm reasoned answers. I don’t think I could have managed that " This guy may be asking about using his data as in monthly data allowance; it probably does if you're not on wifi. App sounds good btw. | |||
"I installed the app but it does not seem to be working. It connects correctly and everything appears to be OK but no calculations are occurring." When you start it press the "Power DreamLab" button at the bottom of the screen. Then it says Charge your device to power DreamLab". I've not had a problem. Hope it works. | |||
"Does it use your data? " It has been pointed out that you may be asking about your data plan. If you have WiFi then no, it won't. | |||
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"Basically it sounds like your giving permission for someone to remotely use the processing power of your phone or laptop...does it not also allow them to access your data ? No thanks..we have firewalls and security to prevent this ever happening for a reason..its very much similar in process to the bitcoin data miners etc that hack pcs etc to allow this to happen..why the college might have good intentions I won't allow others I don't know to personally hack into any device of ours that contains information.." The App has been created by Vodafone. Difficult for it to be more secure unless you think that software from network providers is suspect. Your choice of course. | |||
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"Does it use your data? It has been pointed out that you may be asking about your data plan. If you have WiFi then no, it won't." But if you don't have WiFi and only have a data plan then there is the option to limit how much of your data plan the app can use. Ms x | |||
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+. | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+."See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods. | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods."So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating  | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
"It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue. | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue."My phone heats up no more than it ever has. In my experience. You've tried this of course and know right? Everybody please decide for yourselves and do your own research | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue.
My phone heats up no more than it ever has.
In my experience.
You've tried this of course and know right?
Everybody please decide for yourselves and do your own research "Yes I do know, I am really quite familiar with the chemistry involved in Lithium batteries and have personally dealt with many that have failed due to thermal degradation. Like you said, it's up to people to make their own decisions some may have no issues, some may be shopping for a new phone. However there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to chemical reactions. | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue.
My phone heats up no more than it ever has.
In my experience.
You've tried this of course and know right?
Everybody please decide for yourselves and do your own research
Yes I do know, I am really quite familiar with the chemistry involved in Lithium batteries and have personally dealt with many that have failed due to thermal degradation. Like you said, it's up to people to make their own decisions some may have no issues, some may be shopping for a new phone. However there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to chemical reactions."The app does include self temperature monitoring, and regulates the amount of work it does to prevent getting too hot. For anyone that has a halfway decent gaming computer, running the folding@home program at nights may be a more effective contribution to the covid research. I'm doing both the folding program on my computer and the app on my phone at the moment, certainly the computer is providing a lot more calculation power. But i guess every little helps in some way. | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue.
My phone heats up no more than it ever has.
In my experience.
You've tried this of course and know right?
Everybody please decide for yourselves and do your own research
Yes I do know, I am really quite familiar with the chemistry involved in Lithium batteries and have personally dealt with many that have failed due to thermal degradation. Like you said, it's up to people to make their own decisions some may have no issues, some may be shopping for a new phone. However there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to chemical reactions."You seem keen to show off your knowledge without the customary caution of someone who actually knows what they are talking about. You do not actually know what the increase in battery temperature is so have no idea what deterioration may or may not occur over time. You haven't tried to use it so have not even done a touch test have you? As I said, why not let people try it out for themselves. In the meantime nobody use their phones for anything at all in case it raises the temperature and degrades their battery | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue.
My phone heats up no more than it ever has.
In my experience.
You've tried this of course and know right?
Everybody please decide for yourselves and do your own research
Yes I do know, I am really quite familiar with the chemistry involved in Lithium batteries and have personally dealt with many that have failed due to thermal degradation. Like you said, it's up to people to make their own decisions some may have no issues, some may be shopping for a new phone. However there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to chemical reactions."On a very simple level, this is from the FAQs "Will it cause my phone to overheat? No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe temperature." It's almost as if Vodafone and the university that developed this had thought it through. | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue.
My phone heats up no more than it ever has.
In my experience.
You've tried this of course and know right?
Everybody please decide for yourselves and do your own research
Yes I do know, I am really quite familiar with the chemistry involved in Lithium batteries and have personally dealt with many that have failed due to thermal degradation. Like you said, it's up to people to make their own decisions some may have no issues, some may be shopping for a new phone. However there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to chemical reactions.
On a very simple level, this is from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
It's almost as if Vodafone and the university that developed this had thought it through."I'm not debating anything with you, I am simply telling you scientific fact which you are clearly not well versed in. You are taking a phone, using it in a way it was not built for. Running the processor causes heat, hence why gaming PC's have water cooling, heat causes degeneration of lithium batteries. This is ,unfortunately for you, simply what happens in chemistry, therefore leaves you no room to question it and try to belittle my knowledge as it's an established scientific fact. If the phone is reaching a temperature where something needs to step in to stop it, then that is potentially harmful to a battery. It may or may not cause someone an issue, I don't care either way as it's not my phone. I am simply telling people that there are potentially consequences to installing and running this application. | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue.
My phone heats up no more than it ever has.
In my experience.
You've tried this of course and know right?
Everybody please decide for yourselves and do your own research
Yes I do know, I am really quite familiar with the chemistry involved in Lithium batteries and have personally dealt with many that have failed due to thermal degradation. Like you said, it's up to people to make their own decisions some may have no issues, some may be shopping for a new phone. However there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to chemical reactions.
On a very simple level, this is from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
It's almost as if Vodafone and the university that developed this had thought it through.
I'm not debating anything with you, I am simply telling you scientific fact which you are clearly not well versed in. You are taking a phone, using it in a way it was not built for. Running the processor causes heat, hence why gaming PC's have water cooling, heat causes degeneration of lithium batteries. This is ,unfortunately for you, simply what happens in chemistry, therefore leaves you no room to question it and try to belittle my knowledge as it's an established scientific fact. If the phone is reaching a temperature where something needs to step in to stop it, then that is potentially harmful to a battery. It may or may not cause someone an issue, I don't care either way as it's not my phone. I am simply telling people that there are potentially consequences to installing and running this application."Again, from the from the FAQs "Will it cause my phone to overheat? No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe temperature." Possibly there are some people who know more about the science than you do. Let's call them "experts" | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue.
My phone heats up no more than it ever has.
In my experience.
You've tried this of course and know right?
Everybody please decide for yourselves and do your own research
Yes I do know, I am really quite familiar with the chemistry involved in Lithium batteries and have personally dealt with many that have failed due to thermal degradation. Like you said, it's up to people to make their own decisions some may have no issues, some may be shopping for a new phone. However there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to chemical reactions.
On a very simple level, this is from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
It's almost as if Vodafone and the university that developed this had thought it through.
I'm not debating anything with you, I am simply telling you scientific fact which you are clearly not well versed in. You are taking a phone, using it in a way it was not built for. Running the processor causes heat, hence why gaming PC's have water cooling, heat causes degeneration of lithium batteries. This is ,unfortunately for you, simply what happens in chemistry, therefore leaves you no room to question it and try to belittle my knowledge as it's an established scientific fact. If the phone is reaching a temperature where something needs to step in to stop it, then that is potentially harmful to a battery. It may or may not cause someone an issue, I don't care either way as it's not my phone. I am simply telling people that there are potentially consequences to installing and running this application.
Again, from the from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
Possibly there are some people who know more about the science than you do. Let's call them "experts" "So we have already had one person ask why there phone is hot. As for experts, clearly you aren't one. If you had any knowledge on the subject you would be aware of the relatively low temperatures that can cause the breakdown of the materials in lithium batteries. If a phone is noticeably warm to the touch, you have already crossed the boundaries of what can cause damage. Depending on the location of the processor relative to the battery inside the phone will determine the level this affects it. The apps manufacturers will not have tested every phone on the market and the thermal cut outs will be designed to protect the processor not the battery as these are considered consumable components as even with the best care they break down eventually, this is partly why old phones don't hold a charge as well. Excess heat makes this quicker. It doesn't matter how much you want to argue about this, it happens, if you don't believe it, I don't care, it doesn't stop you being factually wrong. | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue.
My phone heats up no more than it ever has.
In my experience.
You've tried this of course and know right?
Everybody please decide for yourselves and do your own research
Yes I do know, I am really quite familiar with the chemistry involved in Lithium batteries and have personally dealt with many that have failed due to thermal degradation. Like you said, it's up to people to make their own decisions some may have no issues, some may be shopping for a new phone. However there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to chemical reactions.
On a very simple level, this is from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
It's almost as if Vodafone and the university that developed this had thought it through.
I'm not debating anything with you, I am simply telling you scientific fact which you are clearly not well versed in. You are taking a phone, using it in a way it was not built for. Running the processor causes heat, hence why gaming PC's have water cooling, heat causes degeneration of lithium batteries. This is ,unfortunately for you, simply what happens in chemistry, therefore leaves you no room to question it and try to belittle my knowledge as it's an established scientific fact. If the phone is reaching a temperature where something needs to step in to stop it, then that is potentially harmful to a battery. It may or may not cause someone an issue, I don't care either way as it's not my phone. I am simply telling people that there are potentially consequences to installing and running this application.
Again, from the from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
Possibly there are some people who know more about the science than you do. Let's call them "experts"
So we have already had one person ask why there phone is hot. As for experts, clearly you aren't one. If you had any knowledge on the subject you would be aware of the relatively low temperatures that can cause the breakdown of the materials in lithium batteries. If a phone is noticeably warm to the touch, you have already crossed the boundaries of what can cause damage. Depending on the location of the processor relative to the battery inside the phone will determine the level this affects it. The apps manufacturers will not have tested every phone on the market and the thermal cut outs will be designed to protect the processor not the battery as these are considered consumable components as even with the best care they break down eventually, this is partly why old phones don't hold a charge as well. Excess heat makes this quicker. It doesn't matter how much you want to argue about this, it happens, if you don't believe it, I don't care, it doesn't stop you being factually wrong."So you are repeating the advice not to use your phone for any use in case it heats up
Just charging and discharging the battery damages it. Perhaps best to put it in the draw?
Lots of phones heat up when charging anyway.
Perhaps a sensible thought would be to check that before jumping to a conclusion based on your "expert" knowledge compared to those of the app developers.
This from Samsung's FAQs
"Is there something wrong with my Samsung mobile device if it often gets hot?
No, the generation of heat from your Samsung phone or tablet does not suggest it is faulty.
Samsung's devices can get hot to the touch after running for a long time and/or when running more power-intensive applications. This is normal and should not affect your device's lifespan or performance. The device may also get hot when charging, and if the battery gets hotter than usual the charger may stop automatically.
It is recommended you update the software on your device regularly as such updates can enhance your device's performance and help reduce its operating temperature. This can be done through the Settings menu on most phones and tablets"
Once again, you are basing everything that you say based on theory rather than experience.
How about going away and trying it out rather than giving an electrochemical lecture?
Don't download the app, and don't make any effort to lend any time to crunching the numbers on some interesting medical problems.
Please don't scare people unnecessarily about their phones' battery life though. | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue.
My phone heats up no more than it ever has.
In my experience.
You've tried this of course and know right?
Everybody please decide for yourselves and do your own research
Yes I do know, I am really quite familiar with the chemistry involved in Lithium batteries and have personally dealt with many that have failed due to thermal degradation. Like you said, it's up to people to make their own decisions some may have no issues, some may be shopping for a new phone. However there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to chemical reactions.
On a very simple level, this is from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
It's almost as if Vodafone and the university that developed this had thought it through.
I'm not debating anything with you, I am simply telling you scientific fact which you are clearly not well versed in. You are taking a phone, using it in a way it was not built for. Running the processor causes heat, hence why gaming PC's have water cooling, heat causes degeneration of lithium batteries. This is ,unfortunately for you, simply what happens in chemistry, therefore leaves you no room to question it and try to belittle my knowledge as it's an established scientific fact. If the phone is reaching a temperature where something needs to step in to stop it, then that is potentially harmful to a battery. It may or may not cause someone an issue, I don't care either way as it's not my phone. I am simply telling people that there are potentially consequences to installing and running this application.
Again, from the from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
Possibly there are some people who know more about the science than you do. Let's call them "experts"
So we have already had one person ask why there phone is hot. As for experts, clearly you aren't one. If you had any knowledge on the subject you would be aware of the relatively low temperatures that can cause the breakdown of the materials in lithium batteries. If a phone is noticeably warm to the touch, you have already crossed the boundaries of what can cause damage. Depending on the location of the processor relative to the battery inside the phone will determine the level this affects it. The apps manufacturers will not have tested every phone on the market and the thermal cut outs will be designed to protect the processor not the battery as these are considered consumable components as even with the best care they break down eventually, this is partly why old phones don't hold a charge as well. Excess heat makes this quicker. It doesn't matter how much you want to argue about this, it happens, if you don't believe it, I don't care, it doesn't stop you being factually wrong.
So you are repeating the advice not to use your phone for any use in case it heats up
Just charging and discharging the battery damages it. Perhaps best to put it in the draw?
Lots of phones heat up when charging anyway.
Perhaps a sensible thought would be to check that before jumping to a conclusion based on your "expert" knowledge compared to those of the app developers.
This from Samsung's FAQs
"Is there something wrong with my Samsung mobile device if it often gets hot?
No, the generation of heat from your Samsung phone or tablet does not suggest it is faulty.
Samsung's devices can get hot to the touch after running for a long time and/or when running more power-intensive applications. This is normal and should not affect your device's lifespan or performance. The device may also get hot when charging, and if the battery gets hotter than usual the charger may stop automatically.
It is recommended you update the software on your device regularly as such updates can enhance your device's performance and help reduce its operating temperature. This can be done through the Settings menu on most phones and tablets"
Once again, you are basing everything that you say based on theory rather than experience.
How about going away and trying it out rather than giving an electrochemical lecture?
Don't download the app, and don't make any effort to lend any time to crunching the numbers on some interesting medical problems.
Please don't scare people unnecessarily about their phones' battery life though."I'm stating a simple fact about the chemistry involved in the way lithium batteries function. Like I said, I don't care whether you believe me or not, it does nothing to change the laws of science. If people want to use this app, fine, like I said, not my phone so I don't really care. We all know you like to have the last word, and quite frankly, you bore me. But, just for once, please try not to come back with something you think makes you sound oh so clever when all you are actually doing is highlighting the difference in size between your mouth and brain. | |||
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"There's a Covid-19 track and alert app already installed on most phones. Go to your phone settings, tap Google, and you'll see it there. You do have to have your Bluetooth on to make it work though. I'm not sure how it works with iPhone " On the iphone, settings privacy, health, Covid exposure logging. This is just to turn it off and on. But it does nothing with an installed approved app which we're still waiting on. | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue.
My phone heats up no more than it ever has.
In my experience.
You've tried this of course and know right?
Everybody please decide for yourselves and do your own research
Yes I do know, I am really quite familiar with the chemistry involved in Lithium batteries and have personally dealt with many that have failed due to thermal degradation. Like you said, it's up to people to make their own decisions some may have no issues, some may be shopping for a new phone. However there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to chemical reactions.
On a very simple level, this is from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
It's almost as if Vodafone and the university that developed this had thought it through.
I'm not debating anything with you, I am simply telling you scientific fact which you are clearly not well versed in. You are taking a phone, using it in a way it was not built for. Running the processor causes heat, hence why gaming PC's have water cooling, heat causes degeneration of lithium batteries. This is ,unfortunately for you, simply what happens in chemistry, therefore leaves you no room to question it and try to belittle my knowledge as it's an established scientific fact. If the phone is reaching a temperature where something needs to step in to stop it, then that is potentially harmful to a battery. It may or may not cause someone an issue, I don't care either way as it's not my phone. I am simply telling people that there are potentially consequences to installing and running this application.
Again, from the from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
Possibly there are some people who know more about the science than you do. Let's call them "experts"
So we have already had one person ask why there phone is hot. As for experts, clearly you aren't one. If you had any knowledge on the subject you would be aware of the relatively low temperatures that can cause the breakdown of the materials in lithium batteries. If a phone is noticeably warm to the touch, you have already crossed the boundaries of what can cause damage. Depending on the location of the processor relative to the battery inside the phone will determine the level this affects it. The apps manufacturers will not have tested every phone on the market and the thermal cut outs will be designed to protect the processor not the battery as these are considered consumable components as even with the best care they break down eventually, this is partly why old phones don't hold a charge as well. Excess heat makes this quicker. It doesn't matter how much you want to argue about this, it happens, if you don't believe it, I don't care, it doesn't stop you being factually wrong.
So you are repeating the advice not to use your phone for any use in case it heats up
Just charging and discharging the battery damages it. Perhaps best to put it in the draw?
Lots of phones heat up when charging anyway.
Perhaps a sensible thought would be to check that before jumping to a conclusion based on your "expert" knowledge compared to those of the app developers.
This from Samsung's FAQs
"Is there something wrong with my Samsung mobile device if it often gets hot?
No, the generation of heat from your Samsung phone or tablet does not suggest it is faulty.
Samsung's devices can get hot to the touch after running for a long time and/or when running more power-intensive applications. This is normal and should not affect your device's lifespan or performance. The device may also get hot when charging, and if the battery gets hotter than usual the charger may stop automatically.
It is recommended you update the software on your device regularly as such updates can enhance your device's performance and help reduce its operating temperature. This can be done through the Settings menu on most phones and tablets"
Once again, you are basing everything that you say based on theory rather than experience.
How about going away and trying it out rather than giving an electrochemical lecture?
Don't download the app, and don't make any effort to lend any time to crunching the numbers on some interesting medical problems.
Please don't scare people unnecessarily about their phones' battery life though.
I'm stating a simple fact about the chemistry involved in the way lithium batteries function. Like I said, I don't care whether you believe me or not, it does nothing to change the laws of science. If people want to use this app, fine, like I said, not my phone so I don't really care. We all know you like to have the last word, and quite frankly, you bore me. But, just for once, please try not to come back with something you think makes you sound oh so clever when all you are actually doing is highlighting the difference in size between your mouth and brain."So, to be clear: Charging and discharging your phone and using it to do any tasks will raise the temperature. This will cause some degradation. Nobody has denied that. However, you have no idea what difference using this app overnight will make to the life of a phone battery because you have no idea what the temperature change may be. There is nothing to sound or be clever about. The creators of the App (Vodafone) and the manufacturers of the smart phone that someone queried have both given answers in their FAQs. They are posted above. You have ignored them but do feel a need to continue to criticise me. The app helps medical research and costs you nothing to use on WiFi. There is no evidence to indicate that this app makes any noticeable difference to your phone's battery life but you have undoubtedly made some people too nervous to try it out just so that you can prove your superior knowledge. Well done | |||
"There's a Covid-19 track and alert app already installed on most phones. Go to your phone settings, tap Google, and you'll see it there. You do have to have your Bluetooth on to make it work though. I'm not sure how it works with iPhone " I understood that this is a framework to allow an app to function should one ever be created in the UK. To be clear: The DreamLab app has nothing to do with track and trace. It is only a way of using the computing power of lots of mobile phones to conduct medical research much faster than would otherwise be the case. | |||
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"There's a Covid-19 track and alert app already installed on most phones. Go to your phone settings, tap Google, and you'll see it there. You do have to have your Bluetooth on to make it work though. I'm not sure how it works with iPhone " You also have to download an app according to what it said on mine. | |||
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"Found the app this morning only after seeing about it in the forum surely they shouldn't be installing apps without permission Invasion of privacy and all that I wouldn't authorise any app to be used on my phone or other devise when it's sitting in idle mode Any apps use memory and slow down phones plus if they can just stick an app on the phone without asking what else are they doing " The dream lab app is something you have to download and has absolutely nothing to do with any track and trace app | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue.
My phone heats up no more than it ever has.
In my experience.
You've tried this of course and know right?
Everybody please decide for yourselves and do your own research
Yes I do know, I am really quite familiar with the chemistry involved in Lithium batteries and have personally dealt with many that have failed due to thermal degradation. Like you said, it's up to people to make their own decisions some may have no issues, some may be shopping for a new phone. However there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to chemical reactions.
On a very simple level, this is from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
It's almost as if Vodafone and the university that developed this had thought it through.
I'm not debating anything with you, I am simply telling you scientific fact which you are clearly not well versed in. You are taking a phone, using it in a way it was not built for. Running the processor causes heat, hence why gaming PC's have water cooling, heat causes degeneration of lithium batteries. This is ,unfortunately for you, simply what happens in chemistry, therefore leaves you no room to question it and try to belittle my knowledge as it's an established scientific fact. If the phone is reaching a temperature where something needs to step in to stop it, then that is potentially harmful to a battery. It may or may not cause someone an issue, I don't care either way as it's not my phone. I am simply telling people that there are potentially consequences to installing and running this application.
Again, from the from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
Possibly there are some people who know more about the science than you do. Let's call them "experts"
So we have already had one person ask why there phone is hot. As for experts, clearly you aren't one. If you had any knowledge on the subject you would be aware of the relatively low temperatures that can cause the breakdown of the materials in lithium batteries. If a phone is noticeably warm to the touch, you have already crossed the boundaries of what can cause damage. Depending on the location of the processor relative to the battery inside the phone will determine the level this affects it. The apps manufacturers will not have tested every phone on the market and the thermal cut outs will be designed to protect the processor not the battery as these are considered consumable components as even with the best care they break down eventually, this is partly why old phones don't hold a charge as well. Excess heat makes this quicker. It doesn't matter how much you want to argue about this, it happens, if you don't believe it, I don't care, it doesn't stop you being factually wrong.
So you are repeating the advice not to use your phone for any use in case it heats up
Just charging and discharging the battery damages it. Perhaps best to put it in the draw?
Lots of phones heat up when charging anyway.
Perhaps a sensible thought would be to check that before jumping to a conclusion based on your "expert" knowledge compared to those of the app developers.
This from Samsung's FAQs
"Is there something wrong with my Samsung mobile device if it often gets hot?
No, the generation of heat from your Samsung phone or tablet does not suggest it is faulty.
Samsung's devices can get hot to the touch after running for a long time and/or when running more power-intensive applications. This is normal and should not affect your device's lifespan or performance. The device may also get hot when charging, and if the battery gets hotter than usual the charger may stop automatically.
It is recommended you update the software on your device regularly as such updates can enhance your device's performance and help reduce its operating temperature. This can be done through the Settings menu on most phones and tablets"
Once again, you are basing everything that you say based on theory rather than experience.
How about going away and trying it out rather than giving an electrochemical lecture?
Don't download the app, and don't make any effort to lend any time to crunching the numbers on some interesting medical problems.
Please don't scare people unnecessarily about their phones' battery life though.
I'm stating a simple fact about the chemistry involved in the way lithium batteries function. Like I said, I don't care whether you believe me or not, it does nothing to change the laws of science. If people want to use this app, fine, like I said, not my phone so I don't really care. We all know you like to have the last word, and quite frankly, you bore me. But, just for once, please try not to come back with something you think makes you sound oh so clever when all you are actually doing is highlighting the difference in size between your mouth and brain.
So, to be clear:
Charging and discharging your phone and using it to do any tasks will raise the temperature.
This will cause some degradation.
Nobody has denied that.
However, you have no idea what difference using this app overnight will make to the life of a phone battery because you have no idea what the temperature change may be.
There is nothing to sound or be clever about.
The creators of the App (Vodafone) and the manufacturers of the smart phone that someone queried have both given answers in their FAQs.
They are posted above.
You have ignored them but do feel a need to continue to criticise me.
The app helps medical research and costs you nothing to use on WiFi.
There is no evidence to indicate that this app makes any noticeable difference to your phone's battery life but you have undoubtedly made some people too nervous to try it out just so that you can prove your superior knowledge.
Well done "I've ignored them because what you copy and past from somewhere on the internet doesn't change how science works. The argument you are trying to use against me works just as well against you, Vodafone does not make batteries and will not have tested it on every phone on the market, Samsung will be commenting on their own phones but had nothing to do with the app, therefore will have no testing relating to its use on their devices. There is some natural degradation of a battery in normal use, phones are designed to spend the majority of their time idle or at very low usage, this app makes it run full tilt all the time it can coupled with the additional heat generation of charging. This may not affect the battery, it may ruin it, it maybe somewhere in between. This could end up with someone who has a phone for 2 years needing a new battery in 1 year, it may not. People should be informed of the potential consequences of running this, then they can make a choice. You decided in your usual style that you somehow know better than me because I haven't conducted some pointless study to your exact specifications. It doesn't change the fact that you absolutely do not understand the science behind this type of battery technology. | |||
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"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue.
My phone heats up no more than it ever has.
In my experience.
You've tried this of course and know right?
Everybody please decide for yourselves and do your own research
Yes I do know, I am really quite familiar with the chemistry involved in Lithium batteries and have personally dealt with many that have failed due to thermal degradation. Like you said, it's up to people to make their own decisions some may have no issues, some may be shopping for a new phone. However there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to chemical reactions.
On a very simple level, this is from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
It's almost as if Vodafone and the university that developed this had thought it through.
I'm not debating anything with you, I am simply telling you scientific fact which you are clearly not well versed in. You are taking a phone, using it in a way it was not built for. Running the processor causes heat, hence why gaming PC's have water cooling, heat causes degeneration of lithium batteries. This is ,unfortunately for you, simply what happens in chemistry, therefore leaves you no room to question it and try to belittle my knowledge as it's an established scientific fact. If the phone is reaching a temperature where something needs to step in to stop it, then that is potentially harmful to a battery. It may or may not cause someone an issue, I don't care either way as it's not my phone. I am simply telling people that there are potentially consequences to installing and running this application.
Again, from the from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
Possibly there are some people who know more about the science than you do. Let's call them "experts"
So we have already had one person ask why there phone is hot. As for experts, clearly you aren't one. If you had any knowledge on the subject you would be aware of the relatively low temperatures that can cause the breakdown of the materials in lithium batteries. If a phone is noticeably warm to the touch, you have already crossed the boundaries of what can cause damage. Depending on the location of the processor relative to the battery inside the phone will determine the level this affects it. The apps manufacturers will not have tested every phone on the market and the thermal cut outs will be designed to protect the processor not the battery as these are considered consumable components as even with the best care they break down eventually, this is partly why old phones don't hold a charge as well. Excess heat makes this quicker. It doesn't matter how much you want to argue about this, it happens, if you don't believe it, I don't care, it doesn't stop you being factually wrong.
So you are repeating the advice not to use your phone for any use in case it heats up
Just charging and discharging the battery damages it. Perhaps best to put it in the draw?
Lots of phones heat up when charging anyway.
Perhaps a sensible thought would be to check that before jumping to a conclusion based on your "expert" knowledge compared to those of the app developers.
This from Samsung's FAQs
"Is there something wrong with my Samsung mobile device if it often gets hot?
No, the generation of heat from your Samsung phone or tablet does not suggest it is faulty.
Samsung's devices can get hot to the touch after running for a long time and/or when running more power-intensive applications. This is normal and should not affect your device's lifespan or performance. The device may also get hot when charging, and if the battery gets hotter than usual the charger may stop automatically.
It is recommended you update the software on your device regularly as such updates can enhance your device's performance and help reduce its operating temperature. This can be done through the Settings menu on most phones and tablets"
Once again, you are basing everything that you say based on theory rather than experience.
How about going away and trying it out rather than giving an electrochemical lecture?
Don't download the app, and don't make any effort to lend any time to crunching the numbers on some interesting medical problems.
Please don't scare people unnecessarily about their phones' battery life though.
I'm stating a simple fact about the chemistry involved in the way lithium batteries function. Like I said, I don't care whether you believe me or not, it does nothing to change the laws of science. If people want to use this app, fine, like I said, not my phone so I don't really care. We all know you like to have the last word, and quite frankly, you bore me. But, just for once, please try not to come back with something you think makes you sound oh so clever when all you are actually doing is highlighting the difference in size between your mouth and brain.
So, to be clear:
Charging and discharging your phone and using it to do any tasks will raise the temperature.
This will cause some degradation.
Nobody has denied that.
However, you have no idea what difference using this app overnight will make to the life of a phone battery because you have no idea what the temperature change may be.
There is nothing to sound or be clever about.
The creators of the App (Vodafone) and the manufacturers of the smart phone that someone queried have both given answers in their FAQs.
They are posted above.
You have ignored them but do feel a need to continue to criticise me.
The app helps medical research and costs you nothing to use on WiFi.
There is no evidence to indicate that this app makes any noticeable difference to your phone's battery life but you have undoubtedly made some people too nervous to try it out just so that you can prove your superior knowledge.
Well done
I've ignored them because what you copy and past from somewhere on the internet doesn't change how science works. The argument you are trying to use against me works just as well against you, Vodafone does not make batteries and will not have tested it on every phone on the market, Samsung will be commenting on their own phones but had nothing to do with the app, therefore will have no testing relating to its use on their devices. There is some natural degradation of a battery in normal use, phones are designed to spend the majority of their time idle or at very low usage, this app makes it run full tilt all the time it can coupled with the additional heat generation of charging. This may not affect the battery, it may ruin it, it maybe somewhere in between. This could end up with someone who has a phone for 2 years needing a new battery in 1 year, it may not. People should be informed of the potential consequences of running this, then they can make a choice. You decided in your usual style that you somehow know better than me because I haven't conducted some pointless study to your exact specifications. It doesn't change the fact that you absolutely do not understand the science behind this type of battery technology."Not "somewhere on the internet". Vodafone, who made and distribute the app and Samsung which is the manufacturer whom one person on here queried. Both companies are open to significant reputational damage and liability if they are lying. Anyone can make a judgement about your reputation after this. Your position is that any app can reduce the battery life of your phone by any amount. This is, in fact, true. Consequently the only outcome is that nobody should download or use any app as it "could" reduce their battery life by some unspecified amount. Perhaps "needing a new battery in 1 year". What point are you actually making beyond that? | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue.
My phone heats up no more than it ever has.
In my experience.
You've tried this of course and know right?
Everybody please decide for yourselves and do your own research
Yes I do know, I am really quite familiar with the chemistry involved in Lithium batteries and have personally dealt with many that have failed due to thermal degradation. Like you said, it's up to people to make their own decisions some may have no issues, some may be shopping for a new phone. However there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to chemical reactions.
On a very simple level, this is from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
It's almost as if Vodafone and the university that developed this had thought it through.
I'm not debating anything with you, I am simply telling you scientific fact which you are clearly not well versed in. You are taking a phone, using it in a way it was not built for. Running the processor causes heat, hence why gaming PC's have water cooling, heat causes degeneration of lithium batteries. This is ,unfortunately for you, simply what happens in chemistry, therefore leaves you no room to question it and try to belittle my knowledge as it's an established scientific fact. If the phone is reaching a temperature where something needs to step in to stop it, then that is potentially harmful to a battery. It may or may not cause someone an issue, I don't care either way as it's not my phone. I am simply telling people that there are potentially consequences to installing and running this application.
Again, from the from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
Possibly there are some people who know more about the science than you do. Let's call them "experts"
So we have already had one person ask why there phone is hot. As for experts, clearly you aren't one. If you had any knowledge on the subject you would be aware of the relatively low temperatures that can cause the breakdown of the materials in lithium batteries. If a phone is noticeably warm to the touch, you have already crossed the boundaries of what can cause damage. Depending on the location of the processor relative to the battery inside the phone will determine the level this affects it. The apps manufacturers will not have tested every phone on the market and the thermal cut outs will be designed to protect the processor not the battery as these are considered consumable components as even with the best care they break down eventually, this is partly why old phones don't hold a charge as well. Excess heat makes this quicker. It doesn't matter how much you want to argue about this, it happens, if you don't believe it, I don't care, it doesn't stop you being factually wrong.
So you are repeating the advice not to use your phone for any use in case it heats up
Just charging and discharging the battery damages it. Perhaps best to put it in the draw?
Lots of phones heat up when charging anyway.
Perhaps a sensible thought would be to check that before jumping to a conclusion based on your "expert" knowledge compared to those of the app developers.
This from Samsung's FAQs
"Is there something wrong with my Samsung mobile device if it often gets hot?
No, the generation of heat from your Samsung phone or tablet does not suggest it is faulty.
Samsung's devices can get hot to the touch after running for a long time and/or when running more power-intensive applications. This is normal and should not affect your device's lifespan or performance. The device may also get hot when charging, and if the battery gets hotter than usual the charger may stop automatically.
It is recommended you update the software on your device regularly as such updates can enhance your device's performance and help reduce its operating temperature. This can be done through the Settings menu on most phones and tablets"
Once again, you are basing everything that you say based on theory rather than experience.
How about going away and trying it out rather than giving an electrochemical lecture?
Don't download the app, and don't make any effort to lend any time to crunching the numbers on some interesting medical problems.
Please don't scare people unnecessarily about their phones' battery life though.
I'm stating a simple fact about the chemistry involved in the way lithium batteries function. Like I said, I don't care whether you believe me or not, it does nothing to change the laws of science. If people want to use this app, fine, like I said, not my phone so I don't really care. We all know you like to have the last word, and quite frankly, you bore me. But, just for once, please try not to come back with something you think makes you sound oh so clever when all you are actually doing is highlighting the difference in size between your mouth and brain.
So, to be clear:
Charging and discharging your phone and using it to do any tasks will raise the temperature.
This will cause some degradation.
Nobody has denied that.
However, you have no idea what difference using this app overnight will make to the life of a phone battery because you have no idea what the temperature change may be.
There is nothing to sound or be clever about.
The creators of the App (Vodafone) and the manufacturers of the smart phone that someone queried have both given answers in their FAQs.
They are posted above.
You have ignored them but do feel a need to continue to criticise me.
The app helps medical research and costs you nothing to use on WiFi.
There is no evidence to indicate that this app makes any noticeable difference to your phone's battery life but you have undoubtedly made some people too nervous to try it out just so that you can prove your superior knowledge.
Well done
I've ignored them because what you copy and past from somewhere on the internet doesn't change how science works. The argument you are trying to use against me works just as well against you, Vodafone does not make batteries and will not have tested it on every phone on the market, Samsung will be commenting on their own phones but had nothing to do with the app, therefore will have no testing relating to its use on their devices. There is some natural degradation of a battery in normal use, phones are designed to spend the majority of their time idle or at very low usage, this app makes it run full tilt all the time it can coupled with the additional heat generation of charging. This may not affect the battery, it may ruin it, it maybe somewhere in between. This could end up with someone who has a phone for 2 years needing a new battery in 1 year, it may not. People should be informed of the potential consequences of running this, then they can make a choice. You decided in your usual style that you somehow know better than me because I haven't conducted some pointless study to your exact specifications. It doesn't change the fact that you absolutely do not understand the science behind this type of battery technology.
Not "somewhere on the internet".
Vodafone, who made and distribute the app and Samsung which is the manufacturer whom one person on here queried.
Both companies are open to significant reputational damage and liability if they are lying.
Anyone can make a judgement about your reputation after this.
Your position is that any app can reduce the battery life of your phone by any amount.
This is, in fact, true. Consequently the only outcome is that nobody should download or use any app as it "could" reduce their battery life by some unspecified amount. Perhaps "needing a new battery in 1 year".
What point are you actually making beyond that?"Aaaaand your back to trying to have the last word about a subject you don't understand! I am giving general answers because I have no intention of running lab tests on every phone that every manufacturer makes. It doesn't change science and it will not suddenly make you right. the manufacturers stand to lose nothing as they are not responsible for how someone choses to use their phone, thermal degradation is not a manufacturing defect. I am providing some information people may not be aware of, what people do with it is there business What you are doing is trying to rubbish my statements (that were never addressed to you initially) by arguing about something you don't understand but can't bear to admit that someone else knows more about. I'm not going to bother to reply to you anymore, cause quite frankly, you're obnoxious. | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue.
My phone heats up no more than it ever has.
In my experience.
You've tried this of course and know right?
Everybody please decide for yourselves and do your own research
Yes I do know, I am really quite familiar with the chemistry involved in Lithium batteries and have personally dealt with many that have failed due to thermal degradation. Like you said, it's up to people to make their own decisions some may have no issues, some may be shopping for a new phone. However there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to chemical reactions.
On a very simple level, this is from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
It's almost as if Vodafone and the university that developed this had thought it through.
I'm not debating anything with you, I am simply telling you scientific fact which you are clearly not well versed in. You are taking a phone, using it in a way it was not built for. Running the processor causes heat, hence why gaming PC's have water cooling, heat causes degeneration of lithium batteries. This is ,unfortunately for you, simply what happens in chemistry, therefore leaves you no room to question it and try to belittle my knowledge as it's an established scientific fact. If the phone is reaching a temperature where something needs to step in to stop it, then that is potentially harmful to a battery. It may or may not cause someone an issue, I don't care either way as it's not my phone. I am simply telling people that there are potentially consequences to installing and running this application.
Again, from the from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
Possibly there are some people who know more about the science than you do. Let's call them "experts"
So we have already had one person ask why there phone is hot. As for experts, clearly you aren't one. If you had any knowledge on the subject you would be aware of the relatively low temperatures that can cause the breakdown of the materials in lithium batteries. If a phone is noticeably warm to the touch, you have already crossed the boundaries of what can cause damage. Depending on the location of the processor relative to the battery inside the phone will determine the level this affects it. The apps manufacturers will not have tested every phone on the market and the thermal cut outs will be designed to protect the processor not the battery as these are considered consumable components as even with the best care they break down eventually, this is partly why old phones don't hold a charge as well. Excess heat makes this quicker. It doesn't matter how much you want to argue about this, it happens, if you don't believe it, I don't care, it doesn't stop you being factually wrong.
So you are repeating the advice not to use your phone for any use in case it heats up
Just charging and discharging the battery damages it. Perhaps best to put it in the draw?
Lots of phones heat up when charging anyway.
Perhaps a sensible thought would be to check that before jumping to a conclusion based on your "expert" knowledge compared to those of the app developers.
This from Samsung's FAQs
"Is there something wrong with my Samsung mobile device if it often gets hot?
No, the generation of heat from your Samsung phone or tablet does not suggest it is faulty.
Samsung's devices can get hot to the touch after running for a long time and/or when running more power-intensive applications. This is normal and should not affect your device's lifespan or performance. The device may also get hot when charging, and if the battery gets hotter than usual the charger may stop automatically.
It is recommended you update the software on your device regularly as such updates can enhance your device's performance and help reduce its operating temperature. This can be done through the Settings menu on most phones and tablets"
Once again, you are basing everything that you say based on theory rather than experience.
How about going away and trying it out rather than giving an electrochemical lecture?
Don't download the app, and don't make any effort to lend any time to crunching the numbers on some interesting medical problems.
Please don't scare people unnecessarily about their phones' battery life though.
I'm stating a simple fact about the chemistry involved in the way lithium batteries function. Like I said, I don't care whether you believe me or not, it does nothing to change the laws of science. If people want to use this app, fine, like I said, not my phone so I don't really care. We all know you like to have the last word, and quite frankly, you bore me. But, just for once, please try not to come back with something you think makes you sound oh so clever when all you are actually doing is highlighting the difference in size between your mouth and brain.
So, to be clear:
Charging and discharging your phone and using it to do any tasks will raise the temperature.
This will cause some degradation.
Nobody has denied that.
However, you have no idea what difference using this app overnight will make to the life of a phone battery because you have no idea what the temperature change may be.
There is nothing to sound or be clever about.
The creators of the App (Vodafone) and the manufacturers of the smart phone that someone queried have both given answers in their FAQs.
They are posted above.
You have ignored them but do feel a need to continue to criticise me.
The app helps medical research and costs you nothing to use on WiFi.
There is no evidence to indicate that this app makes any noticeable difference to your phone's battery life but you have undoubtedly made some people too nervous to try it out just so that you can prove your superior knowledge.
Well done
I've ignored them because what you copy and past from somewhere on the internet doesn't change how science works. The argument you are trying to use against me works just as well against you, Vodafone does not make batteries and will not have tested it on every phone on the market, Samsung will be commenting on their own phones but had nothing to do with the app, therefore will have no testing relating to its use on their devices. There is some natural degradation of a battery in normal use, phones are designed to spend the majority of their time idle or at very low usage, this app makes it run full tilt all the time it can coupled with the additional heat generation of charging. This may not affect the battery, it may ruin it, it maybe somewhere in between. This could end up with someone who has a phone for 2 years needing a new battery in 1 year, it may not. People should be informed of the potential consequences of running this, then they can make a choice. You decided in your usual style that you somehow know better than me because I haven't conducted some pointless study to your exact specifications. It doesn't change the fact that you absolutely do not understand the science behind this type of battery technology.
Not "somewhere on the internet".
Vodafone, who made and distribute the app and Samsung which is the manufacturer whom one person on here queried.
Both companies are open to significant reputational damage and liability if they are lying.
Anyone can make a judgement about your reputation after this.
Your position is that any app can reduce the battery life of your phone by any amount.
This is, in fact, true. Consequently the only outcome is that nobody should download or use any app as it "could" reduce their battery life by some unspecified amount. Perhaps "needing a new battery in 1 year".
What point are you actually making beyond that?"Having drawn attention to the app why not back up and let people make their own decisions on wether it's suitable or not ? It's fast becoming commercial spam and product promotion as far as I'm concerned. | |||
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"3.6k ratings on the Apple App Store - average 4.8 out of 5. This isn’t an app that anyone considering installing it on their device should be worried about. " Indeed and most are quite capable of making their decision based on the reviews and privacy statements without ... | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue.
My phone heats up no more than it ever has.
In my experience.
You've tried this of course and know right?
Everybody please decide for yourselves and do your own research
Yes I do know, I am really quite familiar with the chemistry involved in Lithium batteries and have personally dealt with many that have failed due to thermal degradation. Like you said, it's up to people to make their own decisions some may have no issues, some may be shopping for a new phone. However there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to chemical reactions.
On a very simple level, this is from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
It's almost as if Vodafone and the university that developed this had thought it through.
I'm not debating anything with you, I am simply telling you scientific fact which you are clearly not well versed in. You are taking a phone, using it in a way it was not built for. Running the processor causes heat, hence why gaming PC's have water cooling, heat causes degeneration of lithium batteries. This is ,unfortunately for you, simply what happens in chemistry, therefore leaves you no room to question it and try to belittle my knowledge as it's an established scientific fact. If the phone is reaching a temperature where something needs to step in to stop it, then that is potentially harmful to a battery. It may or may not cause someone an issue, I don't care either way as it's not my phone. I am simply telling people that there are potentially consequences to installing and running this application.
Again, from the from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
Possibly there are some people who know more about the science than you do. Let's call them "experts"
So we have already had one person ask why there phone is hot. As for experts, clearly you aren't one. If you had any knowledge on the subject you would be aware of the relatively low temperatures that can cause the breakdown of the materials in lithium batteries. If a phone is noticeably warm to the touch, you have already crossed the boundaries of what can cause damage. Depending on the location of the processor relative to the battery inside the phone will determine the level this affects it. The apps manufacturers will not have tested every phone on the market and the thermal cut outs will be designed to protect the processor not the battery as these are considered consumable components as even with the best care they break down eventually, this is partly why old phones don't hold a charge as well. Excess heat makes this quicker. It doesn't matter how much you want to argue about this, it happens, if you don't believe it, I don't care, it doesn't stop you being factually wrong.
So you are repeating the advice not to use your phone for any use in case it heats up
Just charging and discharging the battery damages it. Perhaps best to put it in the draw?
Lots of phones heat up when charging anyway.
Perhaps a sensible thought would be to check that before jumping to a conclusion based on your "expert" knowledge compared to those of the app developers.
This from Samsung's FAQs
"Is there something wrong with my Samsung mobile device if it often gets hot?
No, the generation of heat from your Samsung phone or tablet does not suggest it is faulty.
Samsung's devices can get hot to the touch after running for a long time and/or when running more power-intensive applications. This is normal and should not affect your device's lifespan or performance. The device may also get hot when charging, and if the battery gets hotter than usual the charger may stop automatically.
It is recommended you update the software on your device regularly as such updates can enhance your device's performance and help reduce its operating temperature. This can be done through the Settings menu on most phones and tablets"
Once again, you are basing everything that you say based on theory rather than experience.
How about going away and trying it out rather than giving an electrochemical lecture?
Don't download the app, and don't make any effort to lend any time to crunching the numbers on some interesting medical problems.
Please don't scare people unnecessarily about their phones' battery life though.
I'm stating a simple fact about the chemistry involved in the way lithium batteries function. Like I said, I don't care whether you believe me or not, it does nothing to change the laws of science. If people want to use this app, fine, like I said, not my phone so I don't really care. We all know you like to have the last word, and quite frankly, you bore me. But, just for once, please try not to come back with something you think makes you sound oh so clever when all you are actually doing is highlighting the difference in size between your mouth and brain.
So, to be clear:
Charging and discharging your phone and using it to do any tasks will raise the temperature.
This will cause some degradation.
Nobody has denied that.
However, you have no idea what difference using this app overnight will make to the life of a phone battery because you have no idea what the temperature change may be.
There is nothing to sound or be clever about.
The creators of the App (Vodafone) and the manufacturers of the smart phone that someone queried have both given answers in their FAQs.
They are posted above.
You have ignored them but do feel a need to continue to criticise me.
The app helps medical research and costs you nothing to use on WiFi.
There is no evidence to indicate that this app makes any noticeable difference to your phone's battery life but you have undoubtedly made some people too nervous to try it out just so that you can prove your superior knowledge.
Well done
I've ignored them because what you copy and past from somewhere on the internet doesn't change how science works. The argument you are trying to use against me works just as well against you, Vodafone does not make batteries and will not have tested it on every phone on the market, Samsung will be commenting on their own phones but had nothing to do with the app, therefore will have no testing relating to its use on their devices. There is some natural degradation of a battery in normal use, phones are designed to spend the majority of their time idle or at very low usage, this app makes it run full tilt all the time it can coupled with the additional heat generation of charging. This may not affect the battery, it may ruin it, it maybe somewhere in between. This could end up with someone who has a phone for 2 years needing a new battery in 1 year, it may not. People should be informed of the potential consequences of running this, then they can make a choice. You decided in your usual style that you somehow know better than me because I haven't conducted some pointless study to your exact specifications. It doesn't change the fact that you absolutely do not understand the science behind this type of battery technology.
Not "somewhere on the internet".
Vodafone, who made and distribute the app and Samsung which is the manufacturer whom one person on here queried.
Both companies are open to significant reputational damage and liability if they are lying.
Anyone can make a judgement about your reputation after this.
Your position is that any app can reduce the battery life of your phone by any amount.
This is, in fact, true. Consequently the only outcome is that nobody should download or use any app as it "could" reduce their battery life by some unspecified amount. Perhaps "needing a new battery in 1 year".
What point are you actually making beyond that?
Having drawn attention to the app why not back up and let people make their own decisions on wether it's suitable or not ?
It's fast becoming commercial spam and product promotion as far as I'm concerned."Commercial spam? It's not commercial. That's the point. It's a very positive and completely free contribution that people can make to important medical research. Nobody has to pitch in. A couple of posters have tried to deride the potential of the help it can offer and one appears to be keen to make people unnecessarily worried about for reasons of their own. Done with that one 
A few others have mistakenly thought it has something to do with the track and trace app which it does not. | |||
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"Downloaded it and used it last night. Very easy to use - no registration or details to enter. Set it away doing its thing when I went to bed - phone has to be on charge. After a minute or so the screen faded to black, so even though the app is working there isn’t any distracting light coming from the screen. Didn’t sleep straight away. After couple of hours I felt the phone for any excess heat - nothing major, probably about the same as when playing a video or streaming a tv programme. Woke up this morning and the app had already finished - message on screen how long it had been running and how many calculations it had completed. I guess it doesn’t run indefinitely until you switch it off - only for a set period of time. It’s actually satisfying to wake up and be informed you have contributed to something important - and all done while you have been sleeping . Definitely worth doing "Glad to hear it worked ok for you. | |||
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"Just an update from the previous my previous post, I put the phone on a stand my daughter had and there was hardly any heat from the phone this morning. Oh and it doesn't work with the wireless charging dock. "Are you android or Apple ? My iPhone charges on a wireless disc - and it worked ok . | |||
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"Downloaded it and used it last night. Very easy to use - no registration or details to enter. Set it away doing its thing when I went to bed - phone has to be on charge. After a minute or so the screen faded to black, so even though the app is working there isn’t any distracting light coming from the screen. Didn’t sleep straight away. After couple of hours I felt the phone for any excess heat - nothing major, probably about the same as when playing a video or streaming a tv programme. Woke up this morning and the app had already finished - message on screen how long it had been running and how many calculations it had completed. I guess it doesn’t run indefinitely until you switch it off - only for a set period of time. It’s actually satisfying to wake up and be informed you have contributed to something important - and all done while you have been sleeping . Definitely worth doing "Agreed. Not a medical professional or carer so no way to contribute directly beyond trying to behave responsibly when out and about. What I can do each night is set this app running and know that it's doing some good. Some nights it loses the WiFi connection and stops the calculation which is a little bit disappointing but the signal is a little weak where it lives overnight. Lots of people making a small contribution. No noticeable difference in the functioning of my phone. | |||
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"It would be interesting to hear the numbers of calculations that we've achieved too. I've managed 8 but charge in smaller blocks of time, as I aim not to charge my phone to 100% or let it fully run flat. " Apparently I've been calculating for 1 day, 1 hour and 48 minutes in total. And managed to do 69 really hard sums. My main computer system (12 core xeon) has been crunching folding@home calculations for several weeks now, and has done 169 CPU work units which has got me 1,061,403 points. Apparently this makes me the 207,878th biggest contributor out of 2,719,994 people! | |||
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1 day 15 hrs 3 mins
27 calculations.
Started with a cancer drug study and moved to the Covid-19 one after it completed. | |||
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"Now 14 hours 38 minutes - 34 calculations crunched.. wondering why my calculations count is higher than those that have had the app running for longer... is my phone working harder than others? "It will be one of a few things. Either you are getting smaller data packets to work on as not every task will be the same size, you may have a different spec processor in your phone that is faster than others, or other people could have more applications running than you do so can devote less resources to this app. | |||
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"Now 14 hours 38 minutes - 34 calculations crunched.. wondering why my calculations count is higher than those that have had the app running for longer... is my phone working harder than others? "That's certainly higher than mine but I assume that your phone primarily has a good specification, perhaps higher than mine. I do also use the phone for things whilst it's charging, thus leaving it lower resource levels for the app. My phone is 2 years old now and is roughly averaging 1 unit each hour. I would have happily run a similar app just from phone running on battery but do see that I would have had to charge more frequently, which many wouldn't want | |||
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"From Playstore on your Android device. With your device charging overnight it crunches through calculations for Covid and other medical research. I'd encourage you all to be scientists whilst you all sleep "Sounds a lot like spyware, this is another app for the NPC,s | |||
"From Playstore on your Android device. With your device charging overnight it crunches through calculations for Covid and other medical research. I'd encourage you all to be scientists whilst you all sleep
Sounds a lot like spyware, this is another app for the NPC,s"You control what it has access to on your phone, like other apps. Have you evaluated it? | |||
"From Playstore on your Android device. With your device charging overnight it crunches through calculations for Covid and other medical research. I'd encourage you all to be scientists whilst you all sleep
Sounds a lot like spyware, this is another app for the NPC,s
You control what it has access to on your phone, like other apps. Have you evaluated it? "Does it only work when on charge? | |||
"From Playstore on your Android device. With your device charging overnight it crunches through calculations for Covid and other medical research. I'd encourage you all to be scientists whilst you all sleep
Sounds a lot like spyware, this is another app for the NPC,s
You control what it has access to on your phone, like other apps. Have you evaluated it?
Does it only work when on charge? "Yes it only runs while your phone is charging and you're not using it for anything else. Specifically to avoid any chance of draining your battery. | |||
"From Playstore on your Android device. With your device charging overnight it crunches through calculations for Covid and other medical research. I'd encourage you all to be scientists whilst you all sleep
Sounds a lot like spyware, this is another app for the NPC,s
You control what it has access to on your phone, like other apps. Have you evaluated it?
Does it only work when on charge? "Yes. I think Polly may have confirmed this too Dash. When plugged in and charging it automatically starts to run when the battery is at 80% charged and over. You can manually start it when at a lower charge level, if you want to - sometimes I do if I'm sitting doing stuff and I'm charging it. It won't run when it's not charging and your phone is just running from battery. It's managed by Imperial College London and funded by Vodafone. Apple or Android phones, any network | |||
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"From Playstore on your Android device. With your device charging overnight it crunches through calculations for Covid and other medical research. I'd encourage you all to be scientists whilst you all sleep "You sir deserve a medal, how you have gone from writing a helpful post to becoming embroiled in arguments where you have had to justify your existence is beyond me. The fab forum resilient, tenacious, calm under scrutiny award is well deserved | |||
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"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue.
My phone heats up no more than it ever has.
In my experience.
You've tried this of course and know right?
Everybody please decide for yourselves and do your own research
Yes I do know, I am really quite familiar with the chemistry involved in Lithium batteries and have personally dealt with many that have failed due to thermal degradation. Like you said, it's up to people to make their own decisions some may have no issues, some may be shopping for a new phone. However there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to chemical reactions.
On a very simple level, this is from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
It's almost as if Vodafone and the university that developed this had thought it through.
I'm not debating anything with you, I am simply telling you scientific fact which you are clearly not well versed in. You are taking a phone, using it in a way it was not built for. Running the processor causes heat, hence why gaming PC's have water cooling, heat causes degeneration of lithium batteries. This is ,unfortunately for you, simply what happens in chemistry, therefore leaves you no room to question it and try to belittle my knowledge as it's an established scientific fact. If the phone is reaching a temperature where something needs to step in to stop it, then that is potentially harmful to a battery. It may or may not cause someone an issue, I don't care either way as it's not my phone. I am simply telling people that there are potentially consequences to installing and running this application.
Again, from the from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
Possibly there are some people who know more about the science than you do. Let's call them "experts"
So we have already had one person ask why there phone is hot. As for experts, clearly you aren't one. If you had any knowledge on the subject you would be aware of the relatively low temperatures that can cause the breakdown of the materials in lithium batteries. If a phone is noticeably warm to the touch, you have already crossed the boundaries of what can cause damage. Depending on the location of the processor relative to the battery inside the phone will determine the level this affects it. The apps manufacturers will not have tested every phone on the market and the thermal cut outs will be designed to protect the processor not the battery as these are considered consumable components as even with the best care they break down eventually, this is partly why old phones don't hold a charge as well. Excess heat makes this quicker. It doesn't matter how much you want to argue about this, it happens, if you don't believe it, I don't care, it doesn't stop you being factually wrong.
So you are repeating the advice not to use your phone for any use in case it heats up
Just charging and discharging the battery damages it. Perhaps best to put it in the draw?
Lots of phones heat up when charging anyway.
Perhaps a sensible thought would be to check that before jumping to a conclusion based on your "expert" knowledge compared to those of the app developers.
This from Samsung's FAQs
"Is there something wrong with my Samsung mobile device if it often gets hot?
No, the generation of heat from your Samsung phone or tablet does not suggest it is faulty.
Samsung's devices can get hot to the touch after running for a long time and/or when running more power-intensive applications. This is normal and should not affect your device's lifespan or performance. The device may also get hot when charging, and if the battery gets hotter than usual the charger may stop automatically.
It is recommended you update the software on your device regularly as such updates can enhance your device's performance and help reduce its operating temperature. This can be done through the Settings menu on most phones and tablets"
Once again, you are basing everything that you say based on theory rather than experience.
How about going away and trying it out rather than giving an electrochemical lecture?
Don't download the app, and don't make any effort to lend any time to crunching the numbers on some interesting medical problems.
Please don't scare people unnecessarily about their phones' battery life though.
I'm stating a simple fact about the chemistry involved in the way lithium batteries function. Like I said, I don't care whether you believe me or not, it does nothing to change the laws of science. If people want to use this app, fine, like I said, not my phone so I don't really care. We all know you like to have the last word, and quite frankly, you bore me. But, just for once, please try not to come back with something you think makes you sound oh so clever when all you are actually doing is highlighting the difference in size between your mouth and brain.
So, to be clear:
Charging and discharging your phone and using it to do any tasks will raise the temperature.
This will cause some degradation.
Nobody has denied that.
However, you have no idea what difference using this app overnight will make to the life of a phone battery because you have no idea what the temperature change may be.
There is nothing to sound or be clever about.
The creators of the App (Vodafone) and the manufacturers of the smart phone that someone queried have both given answers in their FAQs.
They are posted above.
You have ignored them but do feel a need to continue to criticise me.
The app helps medical research and costs you nothing to use on WiFi.
There is no evidence to indicate that this app makes any noticeable difference to your phone's battery life but you have undoubtedly made some people too nervous to try it out just so that you can prove your superior knowledge.
Well done
I've ignored them because what you copy and past from somewhere on the internet doesn't change how science works. The argument you are trying to use against me works just as well against you, Vodafone does not make batteries and will not have tested it on every phone on the market, Samsung will be commenting on their own phones but had nothing to do with the app, therefore will have no testing relating to its use on their devices. There is some natural degradation of a battery in normal use, phones are designed to spend the majority of their time idle or at very low usage, this app makes it run full tilt all the time it can coupled with the additional heat generation of charging. This may not affect the battery, it may ruin it, it maybe somewhere in between. This could end up with someone who has a phone for 2 years needing a new battery in 1 year, it may not. People should be informed of the potential consequences of running this, then they can make a choice. You decided in your usual style that you somehow know better than me because I haven't conducted some pointless study to your exact specifications. It doesn't change the fact that you absolutely do not understand the science behind this type of battery technology.
Not "somewhere on the internet".
Vodafone, who made and distribute the app and Samsung which is the manufacturer whom one person on here queried.
Both companies are open to significant reputational damage and liability if they are lying.
Anyone can make a judgement about your reputation after this.
Your position is that any app can reduce the battery life of your phone by any amount.
This is, in fact, true. Consequently the only outcome is that nobody should download or use any app as it "could" reduce their battery life by some unspecified amount. Perhaps "needing a new battery in 1 year".
What point are you actually making beyond that?
Aaaaand your back to trying to have the last word about a subject you don't understand! I am giving general answers because I have no intention of running lab tests on every phone that every manufacturer makes. It doesn't change science and it will not suddenly make you right. the manufacturers stand to lose nothing as they are not responsible for how someone choses to use their phone, thermal degradation is not a manufacturing defect. I am providing some information people may not be aware of, what people do with it is there business What you are doing is trying to rubbish my statements (that were never addressed to you initially) by arguing about something you don't understand but can't bear to admit that someone else knows more about. I'm not going to bother to reply to you anymore, cause quite frankly, you're obnoxious."Twice now you've accused the op of having to have the last word. Yet you keep coming back??? Enough of this bullshit please. The op is trying to point out how people can help - should they wish to. You've made your points now please stop the arguing so the thread doesn't fill with bullshit and get closed for being too big therefore limiting the number of people that will see thread and help out. | |||
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"Downloading now... "I downloaded yesterday and uninstalled it today | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue.
My phone heats up no more than it ever has.
In my experience.
You've tried this of course and know right?
Everybody please decide for yourselves and do your own research
Yes I do know, I am really quite familiar with the chemistry involved in Lithium batteries and have personally dealt with many that have failed due to thermal degradation. Like you said, it's up to people to make their own decisions some may have no issues, some may be shopping for a new phone. However there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to chemical reactions.
On a very simple level, this is from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
It's almost as if Vodafone and the university that developed this had thought it through.
I'm not debating anything with you, I am simply telling you scientific fact which you are clearly not well versed in. You are taking a phone, using it in a way it was not built for. Running the processor causes heat, hence why gaming PC's have water cooling, heat causes degeneration of lithium batteries. This is ,unfortunately for you, simply what happens in chemistry, therefore leaves you no room to question it and try to belittle my knowledge as it's an established scientific fact. If the phone is reaching a temperature where something needs to step in to stop it, then that is potentially harmful to a battery. It may or may not cause someone an issue, I don't care either way as it's not my phone. I am simply telling people that there are potentially consequences to installing and running this application.
Again, from the from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
Possibly there are some people who know more about the science than you do. Let's call them "experts"
So we have already had one person ask why there phone is hot. As for experts, clearly you aren't one. If you had any knowledge on the subject you would be aware of the relatively low temperatures that can cause the breakdown of the materials in lithium batteries. If a phone is noticeably warm to the touch, you have already crossed the boundaries of what can cause damage. Depending on the location of the processor relative to the battery inside the phone will determine the level this affects it. The apps manufacturers will not have tested every phone on the market and the thermal cut outs will be designed to protect the processor not the battery as these are considered consumable components as even with the best care they break down eventually, this is partly why old phones don't hold a charge as well. Excess heat makes this quicker. It doesn't matter how much you want to argue about this, it happens, if you don't believe it, I don't care, it doesn't stop you being factually wrong.
So you are repeating the advice not to use your phone for any use in case it heats up
Just charging and discharging the battery damages it. Perhaps best to put it in the draw?
Lots of phones heat up when charging anyway.
Perhaps a sensible thought would be to check that before jumping to a conclusion based on your "expert" knowledge compared to those of the app developers.
This from Samsung's FAQs
"Is there something wrong with my Samsung mobile device if it often gets hot?
No, the generation of heat from your Samsung phone or tablet does not suggest it is faulty.
Samsung's devices can get hot to the touch after running for a long time and/or when running more power-intensive applications. This is normal and should not affect your device's lifespan or performance. The device may also get hot when charging, and if the battery gets hotter than usual the charger may stop automatically.
It is recommended you update the software on your device regularly as such updates can enhance your device's performance and help reduce its operating temperature. This can be done through the Settings menu on most phones and tablets"
Once again, you are basing everything that you say based on theory rather than experience.
How about going away and trying it out rather than giving an electrochemical lecture?
Don't download the app, and don't make any effort to lend any time to crunching the numbers on some interesting medical problems.
Please don't scare people unnecessarily about their phones' battery life though.
I'm stating a simple fact about the chemistry involved in the way lithium batteries function. Like I said, I don't care whether you believe me or not, it does nothing to change the laws of science. If people want to use this app, fine, like I said, not my phone so I don't really care. We all know you like to have the last word, and quite frankly, you bore me. But, just for once, please try not to come back with something you think makes you sound oh so clever when all you are actually doing is highlighting the difference in size between your mouth and brain.
So, to be clear:
Charging and discharging your phone and using it to do any tasks will raise the temperature.
This will cause some degradation.
Nobody has denied that.
However, you have no idea what difference using this app overnight will make to the life of a phone battery because you have no idea what the temperature change may be.
There is nothing to sound or be clever about.
The creators of the App (Vodafone) and the manufacturers of the smart phone that someone queried have both given answers in their FAQs.
They are posted above.
You have ignored them but do feel a need to continue to criticise me.
The app helps medical research and costs you nothing to use on WiFi.
There is no evidence to indicate that this app makes any noticeable difference to your phone's battery life but you have undoubtedly made some people too nervous to try it out just so that you can prove your superior knowledge.
Well done
I've ignored them because what you copy and past from somewhere on the internet doesn't change how science works. The argument you are trying to use against me works just as well against you, Vodafone does not make batteries and will not have tested it on every phone on the market, Samsung will be commenting on their own phones but had nothing to do with the app, therefore will have no testing relating to its use on their devices. There is some natural degradation of a battery in normal use, phones are designed to spend the majority of their time idle or at very low usage, this app makes it run full tilt all the time it can coupled with the additional heat generation of charging. This may not affect the battery, it may ruin it, it maybe somewhere in between. This could end up with someone who has a phone for 2 years needing a new battery in 1 year, it may not. People should be informed of the potential consequences of running this, then they can make a choice. You decided in your usual style that you somehow know better than me because I haven't conducted some pointless study to your exact specifications. It doesn't change the fact that you absolutely do not understand the science behind this type of battery technology.
Not "somewhere on the internet".
Vodafone, who made and distribute the app and Samsung which is the manufacturer whom one person on here queried.
Both companies are open to significant reputational damage and liability if they are lying.
Anyone can make a judgement about your reputation after this.
Your position is that any app can reduce the battery life of your phone by any amount.
This is, in fact, true. Consequently the only outcome is that nobody should download or use any app as it "could" reduce their battery life by some unspecified amount. Perhaps "needing a new battery in 1 year".
What point are you actually making beyond that?
Aaaaand your back to trying to have the last word about a subject you don't understand! I am giving general answers because I have no intention of running lab tests on every phone that every manufacturer makes. It doesn't change science and it will not suddenly make you right. the manufacturers stand to lose nothing as they are not responsible for how someone choses to use their phone, thermal degradation is not a manufacturing defect. I am providing some information people may not be aware of, what people do with it is there business What you are doing is trying to rubbish my statements (that were never addressed to you initially) by arguing about something you don't understand but can't bear to admit that someone else knows more about. I'm not going to bother to reply to you anymore, cause quite frankly, you're obnoxious.
Twice now you've accused the op of having to have the last word. Yet you keep coming back???
Enough of this bullshit please. The op is trying to point out how people can help - should they wish to. You've made your points now please stop the arguing so the thread doesn't fill with bullshit and get closed for being too big therefore limiting the number of people that will see thread and help out. "Well done for trying to restart an old argument from months ago, I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself seeing as you weren't in any way involved the first time round. Unless you think you know better about battery technology? | |||
"It's working now
Does anyone else's phone get hot?
Mines is an S10+.
See my earlier post, the processor in your phone will be running full tilt with little ability for the phone to increase its cooling as they use passive rather than active methods.
So there is scope for potentially damaging my phone due to overheating
It probably won't damage the processor unless it's also combined with a very warm house or you charge it on something that insulates it, or the board inside has some sort of underlying manufacturing defect, however heat is bad for the lifespan of Lithium batteries, so it certainly won't do that any good. If you replace your phone on contract every year you probably won't notice, however if you plan keeping it more than that it may be an issue.
My phone heats up no more than it ever has.
In my experience.
You've tried this of course and know right?
Everybody please decide for yourselves and do your own research
Yes I do know, I am really quite familiar with the chemistry involved in Lithium batteries and have personally dealt with many that have failed due to thermal degradation. Like you said, it's up to people to make their own decisions some may have no issues, some may be shopping for a new phone. However there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to chemical reactions.
On a very simple level, this is from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
It's almost as if Vodafone and the university that developed this had thought it through.
I'm not debating anything with you, I am simply telling you scientific fact which you are clearly not well versed in. You are taking a phone, using it in a way it was not built for. Running the processor causes heat, hence why gaming PC's have water cooling, heat causes degeneration of lithium batteries. This is ,unfortunately for you, simply what happens in chemistry, therefore leaves you no room to question it and try to belittle my knowledge as it's an established scientific fact. If the phone is reaching a temperature where something needs to step in to stop it, then that is potentially harmful to a battery. It may or may not cause someone an issue, I don't care either way as it's not my phone. I am simply telling people that there are potentially consequences to installing and running this application.
Again, from the from the FAQs
"Will it cause my phone to overheat?
No. The app has been designed to only draw a small amount of power from
your phone. If your phone reaches a certain temperature, DreamLab will
pause and will only start again once your phone has reached a safe
temperature."
Possibly there are some people who know more about the science than you do. Let's call them "experts"
So we have already had one person ask why there phone is hot. As for experts, clearly you aren't one. If you had any knowledge on the subject you would be aware of the relatively low temperatures that can cause the breakdown of the materials in lithium batteries. If a phone is noticeably warm to the touch, you have already crossed the boundaries of what can cause damage. Depending on the location of the processor relative to the battery inside the phone will determine the level this affects it. The apps manufacturers will not have tested every phone on the market and the thermal cut outs will be designed to protect the processor not the battery as these are considered consumable components as even with the best care they break down eventually, this is partly why old phones don't hold a charge as well. Excess heat makes this quicker. It doesn't matter how much you want to argue about this, it happens, if you don't believe it, I don't care, it doesn't stop you being factually wrong.
So you are repeating the advice not to use your phone for any use in case it heats up
Just charging and discharging the battery damages it. Perhaps best to put it in the draw?
Lots of phones heat up when charging anyway.
Perhaps a sensible thought would be to check that before jumping to a conclusion based on your "expert" knowledge compared to those of the app developers.
This from Samsung's FAQs
"Is there something wrong with my Samsung mobile device if it often gets hot?
No, the generation of heat from your Samsung phone or tablet does not suggest it is faulty.
Samsung's devices can get hot to the touch after running for a long time and/or when running more power-intensive applications. This is normal and should not affect your device's lifespan or performance. The device may also get hot when charging, and if the battery gets hotter than usual the charger may stop automatically.
It is recommended you update the software on your device regularly as such updates can enhance your device's performance and help reduce its operating temperature. This can be done through the Settings menu on most phones and tablets"
Once again, you are basing everything that you say based on theory rather than experience.
How about going away and trying it out rather than giving an electrochemical lecture?
Don't download the app, and don't make any effort to lend any time to crunching the numbers on some interesting medical problems.
Please don't scare people unnecessarily about their phones' battery life though.
I'm stating a simple fact about the chemistry involved in the way lithium batteries function. Like I said, I don't care whether you believe me or not, it does nothing to change the laws of science. If people want to use this app, fine, like I said, not my phone so I don't really care. We all know you like to have the last word, and quite frankly, you bore me. But, just for once, please try not to come back with something you think makes you sound oh so clever when all you are actually doing is highlighting the difference in size between your mouth and brain.
So, to be clear:
Charging and discharging your phone and using it to do any tasks will raise the temperature.
This will cause some degradation.
Nobody has denied that.
However, you have no idea what difference using this app overnight will make to the life of a phone battery because you have no idea what the temperature change may be.
There is nothing to sound or be clever about.
The creators of the App (Vodafone) and the manufacturers of the smart phone that someone queried have both given answers in their FAQs.
They are posted above.
You have ignored them but do feel a need to continue to criticise me.
The app helps medical research and costs you nothing to use on WiFi.
There is no evidence to indicate that this app makes any noticeable difference to your phone's battery life but you have undoubtedly made some people too nervous to try it out just so that you can prove your superior knowledge.
Well done
I've ignored them because what you copy and past from somewhere on the internet doesn't change how science works. The argument you are trying to use against me works just as well against you, Vodafone does not make batteries and will not have tested it on every phone on the market, Samsung will be commenting on their own phones but had nothing to do with the app, therefore will have no testing relating to its use on their devices. There is some natural degradation of a battery in normal use, phones are designed to spend the majority of their time idle or at very low usage, this app makes it run full tilt all the time it can coupled with the additional heat generation of charging. This may not affect the battery, it may ruin it, it maybe somewhere in between. This could end up with someone who has a phone for 2 years needing a new battery in 1 year, it may not. People should be informed of the potential consequences of running this, then they can make a choice. You decided in your usual style that you somehow know better than me because I haven't conducted some pointless study to your exact specifications. It doesn't change the fact that you absolutely do not understand the science behind this type of battery technology.
Not "somewhere on the internet".
Vodafone, who made and distribute the app and Samsung which is the manufacturer whom one person on here queried.
Both companies are open to significant reputational damage and liability if they are lying.
Anyone can make a judgement about your reputation after this.
Your position is that any app can reduce the battery life of your phone by any amount.
This is, in fact, true. Consequently the only outcome is that nobody should download or use any app as it "could" reduce their battery life by some unspecified amount. Perhaps "needing a new battery in 1 year".
What point are you actually making beyond that?
Aaaaand your back to trying to have the last word about a subject you don't understand! I am giving general answers because I have no intention of running lab tests on every phone that every manufacturer makes. It doesn't change science and it will not suddenly make you right. the manufacturers stand to lose nothing as they are not responsible for how someone choses to use their phone, thermal degradation is not a manufacturing defect. I am providing some information people may not be aware of, what people do with it is there business What you are doing is trying to rubbish my statements (that were never addressed to you initially) by arguing about something you don't understand but can't bear to admit that someone else knows more about. I'm not going to bother to reply to you anymore, cause quite frankly, you're obnoxious.
Twice now you've accused the op of having to have the last word. Yet you keep coming back???
Enough of this bullshit please. The op is trying to point out how people can help - should they wish to. You've made your points now please stop the arguing so the thread doesn't fill with bullshit and get closed for being too big therefore limiting the number of people that will see thread and help out.
Well done for trying to restart an old argument from months ago, I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself seeing as you weren't in any way involved the first time round. Unless you think you know better about battery technology?"It's fab we are all experts in here | |||
