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My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
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"Keep all schools closed until January "
There is no logical reason to do this, and would cripple the learning opportunity of an entire generation.
I hope you are not thinking that closing schools will allow the pubs to remain open ??  |
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No
I've not been in a pub yet and have no intention to until something changes.
Which it has not.
My thoughts were to just step back one year and add it on to the end.
Can you imagine opening the schools then in two weeks having to close them again.
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"Keep all schools closed until January "
Yes I get that but then you said keep them in the year group where they were in March. A whole new year group of children will be due to start school in September and where would they go if their classes were taken up with the previous class? |
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"No
I've not been in a pub yet and have no intention to until something changes.
Which it has not.
My thoughts were to just step back one year and add it on to the end.
Can you imagine opening the schools then in two weeks having to close them again.
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And uni? Pull them back a year too? The finances of universities would mean they couldn’t survive a fallow year. How about pre schools? They could cope with the extra children childcare fees for 4 year olds who’s schooling had been put back would be a massive burden on parents. |
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There's another fairly long thread on education and pubs, which covers a lot.
Each child has their whole working life ahead of them and not 1 should have their prospects downgraded.
We haven't had much of a plan, it was more fag packet notes, especially as it coveted the 67 million lives, probably a few million childrens education and lives amongst them.
Whilst we didn't know much about this virus, a couple of years ago we rehearsed our pandemic plans, readiness and responsesm. If we get hard of thinking leaders and advisors, we should call them out and demand appropriate action to be made for all of the country. |
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over a year ago
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And what about all the vulnerable children that rely on other services they access via school that they haven’t been receiving since March how unfair is it to them to miss out for a further 4 months and fall further behind |
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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago
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"Keep all schools closed until January "
why. There is no reason to. The damage to the kids is already quite noticable in many.
My daughter cant wait to get back to college and my grandkids have been in school the whole time x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd"
And forever more have children entering education a year later than they should? |
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"Just throwing this in.
Ok
Open schools.
All parents wear masks walk kids to school, adear to social distancing .
At drop off and collect ??????"
No. Just get back to normal and forget this “new normal” nonsense. |
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By *ustme1820Woman
over a year ago
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd"
Why should schools close until after Christmas. Do you have children op. Exactly how should the government help working parents out? |
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So from now on all kids would do an extra year ?
So I guess all schools will need to be a 5th bigger by Xmas to hold the extra kids.
For me kids with exams in front of them should get back ASAP
And schools need to be open longer for staged starts.
But would need more cash from government and lotto funding as well.
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd Why should schools close until after Christmas. Do you have children op. Exactly how should the government help working parents out? "
Put the children into “re-education” camps, while the parents work... teach them how to obey!!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Our school are doing a staggered start and keeping year groups from mixing, there are quite a lot of other measure going to be put in place too, it’s going to be nothing like what they left behind  |
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over a year ago
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"No
I've not been in a pub yet and have no intention to until something changes.
Which it has not.
My thoughts were to just step back one year and add it on to the end.
Can you imagine opening the schools then in two weeks having to close them again.
And uni? Pull them back a year too? The finances of universities would mean they couldn’t survive a fallow year. How about pre schools? They could cope with the extra children childcare fees for 4 year olds who’s schooling had been put back would be a massive burden on parents. "
He didn't think that through before starting a thread eh  |
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"There is one big question here.
That no one as addressed.
Age groups 4 to 18 what are there chances of covid killing them.
Now this a different statement.
Do we know the answer??"
And the staff?
The current thinking is they transmit just as effectively as adults but are more likely to be asymptomatic and have less severe symptoms if not. Therefore more likely not to isolate and take home to mum/dad/nan |
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By *ustme1820Woman
over a year ago
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"There is one big question here.
That no one as addressed.
Age groups 4 to 18 what are there chances of covid killing them.
Now this a different statement.
Do we know the answer??"
you started the thread op, don’t you know the answer? |
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"Stay at home .
????
Or a new sort of pre school.
These are stange times .
Or were being fed Bullshit for some reason.
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There is no answer the only solution would have been to lock down harder and faster but hey never going to happen now. The only way would be as properly with proper consequences now we are left with a shower of shit where no one ‘wins’ |
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd"
So at a time when the schools will be struggling to fit in their normal amount of students safely you want to add an entire new year on top of that. For what benefit? Why is next January any better. Is this because of the mention on the news pubs may shut. Personally I put children's education above the right to go to a pub |
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"Stay at home .
????
Or a new sort of pre school.
These are stange times .
Or were being fed Bullshit for some reason.
New kind of pre school means more money that the government won’t fund. "
It’s getting to the point that the government will fund a piss in the wind, if it means boris stays, and no one cries about the Rona |
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Again ish about funding? Bring back the school nurse if you remember them and test all in the school once a week. As menshend if year groops are separate it would then be a groop isolating for 14 days then back much easier then getting it in Tesco or a pub
I work no did work freelance in theatres and thinking of retraning as don't see work coming in this year at all? |
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd
So at a time when the schools will be struggling to fit in their normal amount of students safely you want to add an entire new year on top of that. For what benefit? Why is next January any better. Is this because of the mention on the news pubs may shut. Personally I put children's education above the right to go to a pub"
I realise that on the face of it that pub going is quite trivial to the individual pub goers- but you have to look at the bigger, economic picture. Not just the immediate service industry (bar, resteraunt, kitchen, cleaning, admin. Etc.staff,) but the entire industry built around it! Our pub industry invests in money world wide-from food and drinks to soap and loo roll and everything in between. People are so blinkered sometimes. |
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"There is one big question here.
That no one as addressed.
Age groups 4 to 18 what are there chances of covid killing them.
Now this a different statement.
Do we know the answer??
And the staff?
The current thinking is they transmit just as effectively as adults but are more likely to be asymptomatic and have less severe symptoms if not. Therefore more likely not to isolate and take home to mum/dad/nan "
Who’s current thinking is that? Kids transmit as effectively as adults ???? |
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd
So at a time when the schools will be struggling to fit in their normal amount of students safely you want to add an entire new year on top of that. For what benefit? Why is next January any better. Is this because of the mention on the news pubs may shut. Personally I put children's education above the right to go to a pub
I realise that on the face of it that pub going is quite trivial to the individual pub goers- but you have to look at the bigger, economic picture. Not just the immediate service industry (bar, resteraunt, kitchen, cleaning, admin. Etc.staff,) but the entire industry built around it! Our pub industry invests in money world wide-from food and drinks to soap and loo roll and everything in between. People are so blinkered sometimes. "
I'm fully aware of the bigger picture and the threat to the industry. Many industries have suffered big time. However when compared to children, their education and our future I still feel children are more important |
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"There is one big question here.
That no one as addressed.
Age groups 4 to 18 what are there chances of covid killing them.
Now this a different statement.
Do we know the answer??
And the staff?
The current thinking is they transmit just as effectively as adults but are more likely to be asymptomatic and have less severe symptoms if not. Therefore more likely not to isolate and take home to mum/dad/nan
Who’s current thinking is that? Kids transmit as effectively as adults ???? "
Data coming out of the states where they’ve opened up. Three examples this week of summer camps where more than 70% of chn infected and 90% of staff. Circa 30% of chn asymptomatic |
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"I asked my accountant where are the government getting all this money from to help the economy.
Answer
If you own the bank of england you just print it.
Then hit the delete key !!!"
You can just imagine "oooops. Look what I've just done". |
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By *addubMan
over a year ago
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When the government gets back to normal ie sitting down in whatever parliament room be it the commons UK.or the dail IRL. I for one would not send kids back until it's safe.
Why let the government use the kids as guinea pigs, what happens when there is someone in a school is diagnosed with covid ? Do they close all the schools again ? Do all the grandparents of those kids have to cocoon again for months ? .
Let the politicians get back to work together first then let them decide if it's safe to put 100s of kids lives at risk. |
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd"
The economy is ducked billions in debt “ how is this helping. |
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd
And forever more have children entering education a year later than they should? "
They don't start school until 6 in Norway, and Norway has some of the best results in Education in the world. They also don't get much homework and if they don't like a subject they don't have to study it. I believe they also have state sponsored childcare from the age of 1 year. Obviously as one of the top ten wealthiest nations on earth, we can't afford this type of education system, or something... |
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd
So at a time when the schools will be struggling to fit in their normal amount of students safely you want to add an entire new year on top of that. For what benefit? Why is next January any better. Is this because of the mention on the news pubs may shut. Personally I put children's education above the right to go to a pub
I realise that on the face of it that pub going is quite trivial to the individual pub goers- but you have to look at the bigger, economic picture. Not just the immediate service industry (bar, resteraunt, kitchen, cleaning, admin. Etc.staff,) but the entire industry built around it! Our pub industry invests in money world wide-from food and drinks to soap and loo roll and everything in between. People are so blinkered sometimes.
I'm fully aware of the bigger picture and the threat to the industry. Many industries have suffered big time. However when compared to children, their education and our future I still feel children are more important"
1 summer camp in Georgia - which I’m sure the scientists are examining the data
Strange there are no other mass outbreaks among young people/staff in other countries where schools have already returned to normal classroom teaching .... |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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Kids have been off long enough now. A lot have missed out on education as quite a few parents struggle to home school them.
It's not right to continue to deny our future generation an education now it's safe to return to school. |
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd
So at a time when the schools will be struggling to fit in their normal amount of students safely you want to add an entire new year on top of that. For what benefit? Why is next January any better. Is this because of the mention on the news pubs may shut. Personally I put children's education above the right to go to a pub
I realise that on the face of it that pub going is quite trivial to the individual pub goers- but you have to look at the bigger, economic picture. Not just the immediate service industry (bar, resteraunt, kitchen, cleaning, admin. Etc.staff,) but the entire industry built around it! Our pub industry invests in money world wide-from food and drinks to soap and loo roll and everything in between. People are so blinkered sometimes.
I'm fully aware of the bigger picture and the threat to the industry. Many industries have suffered big time. However when compared to children, their education and our future I still feel children are more important
1 summer camp in Georgia - which I’m sure the scientists are examining the data
Strange there are no other mass outbreaks among young people/staff in other countries where schools have already returned to normal classroom teaching ...."
Seriously nothing I can say will ever open your eyes to the facts so I’m not going to even bother replying to any of your comments. Good luck I hope you’ll be volunteering to be in the classroom in September  |
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"Kids have been off long enough now. A lot have missed out on education as quite a few parents struggle to home school them.
It's not right to continue to deny our future generation an education now it's safe to return to school."
Exactly this |
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd
So at a time when the schools will be struggling to fit in their normal amount of students safely you want to add an entire new year on top of that. For what benefit? Why is next January any better. Is this because of the mention on the news pubs may shut. Personally I put children's education above the right to go to a pub
I realise that on the face of it that pub going is quite trivial to the individual pub goers- but you have to look at the bigger, economic picture. Not just the immediate service industry (bar, resteraunt, kitchen, cleaning, admin. Etc.staff,) but the entire industry built around it! Our pub industry invests in money world wide-from food and drinks to soap and loo roll and everything in between. People are so blinkered sometimes.
I'm fully aware of the bigger picture and the threat to the industry. Many industries have suffered big time. However when compared to children, their education and our future I still feel children are more important
1 summer camp in Georgia - which I’m sure the scientists are examining the data
Strange there are no other mass outbreaks among young people/staff in other countries where schools have already returned to normal classroom teaching ....
Seriously nothing I can say will ever open your eyes to the facts so I’m not going to even bother replying to any of your comments. Good luck I hope you’ll be volunteering to be in the classroom in September "
I already volunteer my time for education projects - thanks for your support .
Have you decided yet what you will be doing from September - you resigned from your career in the classroom, yes ? |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd"
Great thinking was thinking the same thing earlier |
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"Just throwing this in.
Ok
Open schools.
All parents wear masks walk kids to school, adear to social distancing .
At drop off and collect ??????"
I heard about a pre school that opened in June, for key workers to send their kids to.
They had a strict drop of time and collection time, to make sure that parents waiting outside never happened. |
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd"
Can I ask whats changing in January apart from the calander ? |
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd
Can I ask whats changing in January apart from the calander ?"
Covid was a time limited thing. It knows it's time is up after a year of rampaging through world society |
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd
So at a time when the schools will be struggling to fit in their normal amount of students safely you want to add an entire new year on top of that. For what benefit? Why is next January any better. Is this because of the mention on the news pubs may shut. Personally I put children's education above the right to go to a pub
I realise that on the face of it that pub going is quite trivial to the individual pub goers- but you have to look at the bigger, economic picture. Not just the immediate service industry (bar, resteraunt, kitchen, cleaning, admin. Etc.staff,) but the entire industry built around it! Our pub industry invests in money world wide-from food and drinks to soap and loo roll and everything in between. People are so blinkered sometimes.
I'm fully aware of the bigger picture and the threat to the industry. Many industries have suffered big time. However when compared to children, their education and our future I still feel children are more important
1 summer camp in Georgia - which I’m sure the scientists are examining the data
Strange there are no other mass outbreaks among young people/staff in other countries where schools have already returned to normal classroom teaching ....
Seriously nothing I can say will ever open your eyes to the facts so I’m not going to even bother replying to any of your comments. Good luck I hope you’ll be volunteering to be in the classroom in September
I already volunteer my time for education projects - thanks for your support .
Have you decided yet what you will be doing from September - you resigned from your career in the classroom, yes ?"
Education projects doesn’t sound like being at the frontline to me but whatever makes you feel better. |
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd
So at a time when the schools will be struggling to fit in their normal amount of students safely you want to add an entire new year on top of that. For what benefit? Why is next January any better. Is this because of the mention on the news pubs may shut. Personally I put children's education above the right to go to a pub
I realise that on the face of it that pub going is quite trivial to the individual pub goers- but you have to look at the bigger, economic picture. Not just the immediate service industry (bar, resteraunt, kitchen, cleaning, admin. Etc.staff,) but the entire industry built around it! Our pub industry invests in money world wide-from food and drinks to soap and loo roll and everything in between. People are so blinkered sometimes.
I'm fully aware of the bigger picture and the threat to the industry. Many industries have suffered big time. However when compared to children, their education and our future I still feel children are more important
1 summer camp in Georgia - which I’m sure the scientists are examining the data
Strange there are no other mass outbreaks among young people/staff in other countries where schools have already returned to normal classroom teaching ....
Seriously nothing I can say will ever open your eyes to the facts so I’m not going to even bother replying to any of your comments. Good luck I hope you’ll be volunteering to be in the classroom in September
I already volunteer my time for education projects - thanks for your support .
Have you decided yet what you will be doing from September - you resigned from your career in the classroom, yes ?
Education projects doesn’t sound like being at the frontline to me but whatever makes you feel better. "
Education projects in the classroom - yes
Mentoring, ambassador work - very rewarding and good to be contributing with something that will hopefully bring out the full potential that is inside every young person
Very much frontline and more than happy to be there .
How about you? - I’m guessing now you have resigned you will be much relieved not to have to think about being anywhere near a classroom ?? |
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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd"
I feel we need to get children back into education ASAP, covid has not just affected their educational learning, its their social skills, mental health.
My child has missed most of his first year of Gcse and unless they say the current year 10 soon to be year 11 have to stay an extra year in education (not just till 18years) they have an unfair disadvantage for their Gcse exams as a quarter of the syllabus has been self taught!.
Due to current social distancing I have lost my job in school.
A school year starts in September not January so a 2021 return would mean it even more diff for students to get back into a routine. |
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"There is one big question here.
That no one as addressed.
Age groups 4 to 18 what are there chances of covid killing them.
Now this a different statement.
Do we know the answer??"
Last I looked there had been only 1 or possibly 2 Covid positive child deaths, both with other serious conditions. children are much more likely to be killed travelling to school than from CV19. There is also little evidence of children significant transmitting this virus.
Children back into schools, close pubs to offset the small increase in R if necessary. |
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So if mum and dad both work who will babysit, cannot ask grandparents, you cannot keep kids of till Christmas, teachers can ware clear visors so it doesn't up set the younger children or those with special needs,hand gel in the classroom and the washing of hands ,its simple, kids needs stability in there lifes .. |
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"There is one big question here.
That no one as addressed.
Age groups 4 to 18 what are there chances of covid killing them.
Now this a different statement.
Do we know the answer??"
The worry has never been the kids, they will almost certainly be fine.
But... an infected child in a school and potentially you risk big numbers of infections. Each of those infections then goes back to a household where the chance of it being passed on is very probable. Add to that teaching staff of course who are more vulnerable.
You have to look beyond the first point of infection, the secondary infected parents, grandparents etc is where serious damage is more likely and that’s the fear in bringing 100’s of pupils back into an enclosed environment. |
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd
So at a time when the schools will be struggling to fit in their normal amount of students safely you want to add an entire new year on top of that. For what benefit? Why is next January any better. Is this because of the mention on the news pubs may shut. Personally I put children's education above the right to go to a pub
I realise that on the face of it that pub going is quite trivial to the individual pub goers- but you have to look at the bigger, economic picture. Not just the immediate service industry (bar, resteraunt, kitchen, cleaning, admin. Etc.staff,) but the entire industry built around it! Our pub industry invests in money world wide-from food and drinks to soap and loo roll and everything in between. People are so blinkered sometimes.
I'm fully aware of the bigger picture and the threat to the industry. Many industries have suffered big time. However when compared to children, their education and our future I still feel children are more important"
Of course children are important, and their welfare and education are absolutely paramount. They won’t be getting either of those if we don’t have a healthy economy to support them though. Like it or not, socialising in pubs is one of the great british traditions that brings in huge revenue across the board. It is also good for the mental health of those who have been very much alone during the lockdown days. |
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"When the government gets back to normal ie sitting down in whatever parliament room be it the commons UK.or the dail IRL. I for one would not send kids back until it's safe.
Why let the government use the kids as guinea pigs, what happens when there is someone in a school is diagnosed with covid ? Do they close all the schools again ? Do all the grandparents of those kids have to cocoon again for months ? .
Let the politicians get back to work together first then let them decide if it's safe to put 100s of kids lives at risk. "
It’s statistically proven that the young are the least at risk. Chill your britches. |
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd
And forever more have children entering education a year later than they should?
They don't start school until 6 in Norway, and Norway has some of the best results in Education in the world. They also don't get much homework and if they don't like a subject they don't have to study it. I believe they also have state sponsored childcare from the age of 1 year. Obviously as one of the top ten wealthiest nations on earth, we can't afford this type of education system, or something... "
Norway is immensely different from the UK. Comparing apples and oranges is not helpful. |
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd
So at a time when the schools will be struggling to fit in their normal amount of students safely you want to add an entire new year on top of that. For what benefit? Why is next January any better. Is this because of the mention on the news pubs may shut. Personally I put children's education above the right to go to a pub
I realise that on the face of it that pub going is quite trivial to the individual pub goers- but you have to look at the bigger, economic picture. Not just the immediate service industry (bar, resteraunt, kitchen, cleaning, admin. Etc.staff,) but the entire industry built around it! Our pub industry invests in money world wide-from food and drinks to soap and loo roll and everything in between. People are so blinkered sometimes.
I'm fully aware of the bigger picture and the threat to the industry. Many industries have suffered big time. However when compared to children, their education and our future I still feel children are more important
1 summer camp in Georgia - which I’m sure the scientists are examining the data
Strange there are no other mass outbreaks among young people/staff in other countries where schools have already returned to normal classroom teaching ....
Seriously nothing I can say will ever open your eyes to the facts so I’m not going to even bother replying to any of your comments. Good luck I hope you’ll be volunteering to be in the classroom in September
I already volunteer my time for education projects - thanks for your support .
Have you decided yet what you will be doing from September - you resigned from your career in the classroom, yes ?
Education projects doesn’t sound like being at the frontline to me but whatever makes you feel better. "
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd
So at a time when the schools will be struggling to fit in their normal amount of students safely you want to add an entire new year on top of that. For what benefit? Why is next January any better. Is this because of the mention on the news pubs may shut. Personally I put children's education above the right to go to a pub
I realise that on the face of it that pub going is quite trivial to the individual pub goers- but you have to look at the bigger, economic picture. Not just the immediate service industry (bar, resteraunt, kitchen, cleaning, admin. Etc.staff,) but the entire industry built around it! Our pub industry invests in money world wide-from food and drinks to soap and loo roll and everything in between. People are so blinkered sometimes.
I'm fully aware of the bigger picture and the threat to the industry. Many industries have suffered big time. However when compared to children, their education and our future I still feel children are more important
Of course children are important, and their welfare and education are absolutely paramount. They won’t be getting either of those if we don’t have a healthy economy to support them though. Like it or not, socialising in pubs is one of the great british traditions that brings in huge revenue across the board. It is also good for the mental health of those who have been very much alone during the lockdown days. "
I'm glad you believe they are paramount which of course means they come before pubs. I understand about the economy and it's not just the pubs ect that has suffered. All sectors have suffered. I would hope another more important British tradition is to put the children first |
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By *manda63Woman
over a year ago
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd"
I work for two schools, went back to one on 1st June with year R, 3 and 6 until 17th July, after being off since lockdown. My other job, we were all sent home at lockdown date, and are not going back until 2nd September, term starts, I think 3rd September. I'm not sure about going back, but we will see. Kids need to go back to school, parents I know are being driven mad by home schooling and some of the kids are struggling with the work online. I wouldn't like to try get kids to work at home |
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd
So at a time when the schools will be struggling to fit in their normal amount of students safely you want to add an entire new year on top of that. For what benefit? Why is next January any better. Is this because of the mention on the news pubs may shut. Personally I put children's education above the right to go to a pub
I realise that on the face of it that pub going is quite trivial to the individual pub goers- but you have to look at the bigger, economic picture. Not just the immediate service industry (bar, resteraunt, kitchen, cleaning, admin. Etc.staff,) but the entire industry built around it! Our pub industry invests in money world wide-from food and drinks to soap and loo roll and everything in between. People are so blinkered sometimes.
I'm fully aware of the bigger picture and the threat to the industry. Many industries have suffered big time. However when compared to children, their education and our future I still feel children are more important
Of course children are important, and their welfare and education are absolutely paramount. They won’t be getting either of those if we don’t have a healthy economy to support them though. Like it or not, socialising in pubs is one of the great british traditions that brings in huge revenue across the board. It is also good for the mental health of those who have been very much alone during the lockdown days.
I'm glad you believe they are paramount which of course means they come before pubs. I understand about the economy and it's not just the pubs ect that has suffered. All sectors have suffered. I would hope another more important British tradition is to put the children first"
Okay. You are wilfully ignoring what I have said. But I’m willing to play the game! Okay- tell me which particular industry you would open up instead of pubs and resteraunts - that would bring in the same level of revenue country wide! |
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By *ebbie69Couple
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd I work for two schools, went back to one on 1st June with year R, 3 and 6 until 17th July, after being off since lockdown. My other job, we were all sent home at lockdown date, and are not going back until 2nd September, term starts, I think 3rd September. I'm not sure about going back, but we will see. Kids need to go back to school, parents I know are being driven mad by home schooling and some of the kids are struggling with the work online. I wouldn't like to try get kids to work at home "
Good to hear your dedication to your profession and the kids. Another point to add as some mention finances is the amount of parents not being able to work as they are looking after their children. This is also a negative impact on the economy which can be reversed when the little ones go back to school |
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd
So at a time when the schools will be struggling to fit in their normal amount of students safely you want to add an entire new year on top of that. For what benefit? Why is next January any better. Is this because of the mention on the news pubs may shut. Personally I put children's education above the right to go to a pub
I realise that on the face of it that pub going is quite trivial to the individual pub goers- but you have to look at the bigger, economic picture. Not just the immediate service industry (bar, resteraunt, kitchen, cleaning, admin. Etc.staff,) but the entire industry built around it! Our pub industry invests in money world wide-from food and drinks to soap and loo roll and everything in between. People are so blinkered sometimes.
I'm fully aware of the bigger picture and the threat to the industry. Many industries have suffered big time. However when compared to children, their education and our future I still feel children are more important
Of course children are important, and their welfare and education are absolutely paramount. They won’t be getting either of those if we don’t have a healthy economy to support them though. Like it or not, socialising in pubs is one of the great british traditions that brings in huge revenue across the board. It is also good for the mental health of those who have been very much alone during the lockdown days.
I'm glad you believe they are paramount which of course means they come before pubs. I understand about the economy and it's not just the pubs ect that has suffered. All sectors have suffered. I would hope another more important British tradition is to put the children first
Okay. You are wilfully ignoring what I have said. But I’m willing to play the game! Okay- tell me which particular industry you would open up instead of pubs and resteraunts - that would bring in the same level of revenue country wide!"
How am I ignoring what you said? Did I misread when you agreed the children are paramount?
I'm comparing schools opening to pubs staying open as that's what the topic is about. It's not about opening up more sectors its about slowing the opening and maybe some reversal to allow schools to open. Despite the economic impact I still put the children first |
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd
So at a time when the schools will be struggling to fit in their normal amount of students safely you want to add an entire new year on top of that. For what benefit? Why is next January any better. Is this because of the mention on the news pubs may shut. Personally I put children's education above the right to go to a pub
I realise that on the face of it that pub going is quite trivial to the individual pub goers- but you have to look at the bigger, economic picture. Not just the immediate service industry (bar, resteraunt, kitchen, cleaning, admin. Etc.staff,) but the entire industry built around it! Our pub industry invests in money world wide-from food and drinks to soap and loo roll and everything in between. People are so blinkered sometimes.
I'm fully aware of the bigger picture and the threat to the industry. Many industries have suffered big time. However when compared to children, their education and our future I still feel children are more important
Of course children are important, and their welfare and education are absolutely paramount. They won’t be getting either of those if we don’t have a healthy economy to support them though. Like it or not, socialising in pubs is one of the great british traditions that brings in huge revenue across the board. It is also good for the mental health of those who have been very much alone during the lockdown days.
I'm glad you believe they are paramount which of course means they come before pubs. I understand about the economy and it's not just the pubs ect that has suffered. All sectors have suffered. I would hope another more important British tradition is to put the children first
Okay. You are wilfully ignoring what I have said. But I’m willing to play the game! Okay- tell me which particular industry you would open up instead of pubs and resteraunts - that would bring in the same level of revenue country wide!"
Theatre most of the big London ones make about £500,000 a week at corporation tax at 20% £100,000 a week to the government per theater and income tax on wages.
But would it be the same with out tourists to fill them up?
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd"
Second wave will start end of August/Early September but there won’t be lockdown and schools closed this time the country can’t afford it. |
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By *manda63Woman
over a year ago
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"My thoughts.
We should keep schools closed until after xmas. Right off this year and start in jan2021 were thay left off ,every one stays on 1 year longer.
If both parents are working the government should help them out .
Just my thoughtd I work for two schools, went back to one on 1st June with year R, 3 and 6 until 17th July, after being off since lockdown. My other job, we were all sent home at lockdown date, and are not going back until 2nd September, term starts, I think 3rd September. I'm not sure about going back, but we will see. Kids need to go back to school, parents I know are being driven mad by home schooling and some of the kids are struggling with the work online. I wouldn't like to try get kids to work at home
Good to hear your dedication to your profession and the kids. Another point to add as some mention finances is the amount of parents not being able to work as they are looking after their children. This is also a negative impact on the economy which can be reversed when the little ones go back to school"
thank you but I'm not a teacher, I just have menial jobs to be honest, I'm not looking forward to going back to one of them as it's going to be difficult, like it will be for everyone but it's got to be done |
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"Just throwing this in.
Ok
Open schools.
All parents wear masks walk kids to school, adear to social distancing .
At drop off and collect ??????
No. Just get back to normal and forget this “new normal” nonsense."
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my personal opinion (as someone who works in education) is that schools should open in September completely as normal, no bubbles, no distancing, no disruption to the education process... just sanitising gell and hand washing. All of the measures put into place are going to be largely ignored by the kids anyway.
The kids will not be having propper lessons, due to "bubbles" their teaching groups are now mixed ability. They will be staying in the same room and the teachers will move classes, so they will not be able to have practical lessons in Science or D&T. |
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"my personal opinion (as someone who works in education) is that schools should open in September completely as normal, no bubbles, no distancing, no disruption to the education process... just sanitising gell and hand washing. All of the measures put into place are going to be largely ignored by the kids anyway.
The kids will not be having propper lessons, due to "bubbles" their teaching groups are now mixed ability. They will be staying in the same room and the teachers will move classes, so they will not be able to have practical lessons in Science or D&T."
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"my personal opinion (as someone who works in education) is that schools should open in September completely as normal, no bubbles, no distancing, no disruption to the education process... just sanitising gell and hand washing. All of the measures put into place are going to be largely ignored by the kids anyway.
The kids will not be having propper lessons, due to "bubbles" their teaching groups are now mixed ability. They will be staying in the same room and the teachers will move classes, so they will not be able to have practical lessons in Science or D&T."
I'm fairly sure this isn't how the gcse students will be working. |
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The kids will not be having propper lessons, due to "bubbles" their teaching groups are now mixed ability. They will be staying in the same room and the teachers will move classes, so they will not be able to have practical lessons in Science or D&T.
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I'm fairly sure this isn't how the gcse students will be working. "
The last update from our head was pretty much this, the "bubbles" will keep kids together who share option groups, as well as those who arrive on the same bus. I'm sure that the process will be refined before September, but any sort of restrictions will diminish the quality of education that can be delivered.
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over a year ago
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"my personal opinion (as someone who works in education) is that schools should open in September completely as normal, no bubbles, no distancing, no disruption to the education process... just sanitising gell and hand washing. All of the measures put into place are going to be largely ignored by the kids anyway.
The kids will not be having propper lessons, due to "bubbles" their teaching groups are now mixed ability. They will be staying in the same room and the teachers will move classes, so they will not be able to have practical lessons in Science or D&T.
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I'm fairly sure this isn't how the gcse students will be working.
The last update from our head was pretty much this, the "bubbles" will keep kids together who share option groups, as well as those who arrive on the same bus. I'm sure that the process will be refined before September, but any sort of restrictions will diminish the quality of education that can be delivered.
Cal"
Agreed, I know my daughter has had to drop her 'worst' subject so they can do more work in the core subjects. I think her school is treating each year group as a separate bubble. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"Definitely not, children need school, my child has suffered terribly mentally during lockdown and she needs some normality.
Same for my daughter "
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A big issue for schools is the lack of leadership from the government, they've given next to no guidance beyond "bubbles and social distancing". This has left an inconsistent response from schools who are left to work out their own plan. It would have been much better if we were instructed precisely how we were supposed to achieve this.
As a side note, it has also been suggested that there may not be any (Practical) PE lessons when they come back either.
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"my personal opinion (as someone who works in education) is that schools should open in September completely as normal, no bubbles, no distancing, no disruption to the education process... just sanitising gell and hand washing. All of the measures put into place are going to be largely ignored by the kids anyway.
The kids will not be having propper lessons, due to "bubbles" their teaching groups are now mixed ability. They will be staying in the same room and the teachers will move classes, so they will not be able to have practical lessons in Science or D&T."
Bubbles in reality are not separate but overlap, like a Venn diagram! As such I doubt the effectiveness. Siblings, friendships and childcare bubbles create multiple bubble overlaps |
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The kids will not be having propper lessons, due to "bubbles" their teaching groups are now mixed ability. They will be staying in the same room and the teachers will move classes, so they will not be able to have practical lessons in Science or D&T.
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Bubbles in reality are not separate but overlap, like a Venn diagram! As such I doubt the effectiveness. Siblings, friendships and childcare bubbles create multiple bubble overlaps"
We've already seen this when year 10's were in.
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"A big issue for schools is the lack of leadership from the government, they've given next to no guidance beyond "bubbles and social distancing". This has left an inconsistent response from schools who are left to work out their own plan. It would have been much better if we were instructed precisely how we were supposed to achieve this.
As a side note, it has also been suggested that there may not be any (Practical) PE lessons when they come back either.
Cal"
Leadership ! Might need to learn to lead by example too and to give proper funding to headteachers to buy PPE for staff. |
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"I asked my accountant where are the government getting all this money from to help the economy.
Answer
If you own the bank of england you just print it.
Then hit the delete key !!!"
Then your accountant is an idiot. We will be paying for this through stealth tax and up front taxes for years.
First thing will be a cut in our tax allowance. |
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"my personal opinion (as someone who works in education) is that schools should open in September completely as normal, no bubbles, no distancing, no disruption to the education process... just sanitising gell and hand washing. All of the measures put into place are going to be largely ignored by the kids anyway.
The kids will not be having propper lessons, due to "bubbles" their teaching groups are now mixed ability. They will be staying in the same room and the teachers will move classes, so they will not be able to have practical lessons in Science or D&T."
Agree with this except mandatory face masks and temperature checks. |
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"If teachers have there way schools will not fully open in Sept."
None of the teachers I know (and I know a lot) want schools to remain shut, they just want everything back to normal. There is a lot of teacher bashing going on at the moment, but teachers HAVE been working hard through this "lockdown" setting and marking work in various ways to accommodate different home access availability of the students, running a full timetable of video lessons on Teams or Zoom, making welfare calls to students every week... all whilst working in a strange environment and often whilst trying to look after their own kids too.
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"my personal opinion (as someone who works in education) is that schools should open in September completely as normal, no bubbles, no distancing, no disruption to the education process... just sanitising gell and hand washing. All of the measures put into place are going to be largely ignored by the kids anyway.
The kids will not be having propper lessons, due to "bubbles" their teaching groups are now mixed ability. They will be staying in the same room and the teachers will move classes, so they will not be able to have practical lessons in Science or D&T.
Agree with this except mandatory face masks and temperature checks. "
Masks would need to be changed and disposed of in clinical waste, for a 6-7hr (or 8-12hr for the staff) day. Times a secondary school with 1000+ pupils, that's a lot of clinical waste. One must be assume each mask is contaminated. The infrared temperature guns are also potentially very inaccurate. They must be held just the right distance away (2m is far too far) otherwise you get a false low. A false high will happen if someone has recently done vigorous exercise, eg cycling uphill to school. I did an experiment and pushed up a steep hill in my wheelchair on a warm day. My surface skin temp was high for about 45mins. |
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Children are more likely to be struck by lightning than die from coronavirus so lets cause them huge amounts of educational, social and mental health damage by creating some alien mask wearing place of education, where fear and mental trauma will be imprinted in their brains for a lifetime. |
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"If teachers have there way schools will not fully open in Sept.
None of the teachers I know (and I know a lot) want schools to remain shut, they just want everything back to normal. There is a lot of teacher bashing going on at the moment, but teachers HAVE been working hard through this "lockdown" setting and marking work in various ways to accommodate different home access availability of the students, running a full timetable of video lessons on Teams or Zoom, making welfare calls to students every week... all whilst working in a strange environment and often whilst trying to look after their own kids too.
Cal"
But, the virus is going nowhere. Normal is not an option. |
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It should be closed for longer, it is showned that a relaxed lockdown dont work, infact the cases goes up, this new reality will affect everyone and virtual schooling could be the answer. |
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"It should be closed for longer, it is showned that a relaxed lockdown dont work, infact the cases goes up, this new reality will affect everyone and virtual schooling could be the answer."
Deaths are below a 5 year average for the last 6 weeks running.
Which means weve had less deaths overall including all the suicides, cancer, heart diseases etc etc aswell as covid 19 on top of all those deaths.
Stop with the panicking already.
Honestly if you didnt have the news telling you there is some big bad virus out there nobody would even know.
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"It should be closed for longer, it is showned that a relaxed lockdown dont work, infact the cases goes up, this new reality will affect everyone and virtual schooling could be the answer.
Deaths are below a 5 year average for the last 6 weeks running.
Which means weve had less deaths overall including all the suicides, cancer, heart diseases etc etc aswell as covid 19 on top of all those deaths.
Stop with the panicking already.
Honestly if you didnt have the news telling you there is some big bad virus out there nobody would even know.
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At least there will be less traffic jam in the mornings. |
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"Children are more likely to be struck by lightning than die from coronavirus so lets cause them huge amounts of educational, social and mental health damage by creating some alien mask wearing place of education, where fear and mental trauma will be imprinted in their brains for a lifetime."
You keep saying this, the U14 death rate is some where around 50 though... last time I checked lighting strike deaths it’s an average of two per year from all age groups.
So basically, as with many of your points... utter pap! |
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"Children are more likely to be struck by lightning than die from coronavirus so lets cause them huge amounts of educational, social and mental health damage by creating some alien mask wearing place of education, where fear and mental trauma will be imprinted in their brains for a lifetime.
You keep saying this, the U14 death rate is some where around 50 though... last time I checked lighting strike deaths it’s an average of two per year from all age groups.
So basically, as with many of your points... utter pap! "
It is suggested, based on ONS statistics, that an average of 30-60 people are hit by lightning each year - a rate of between 1 in 1.1million and 1 in 2.21million - the current death rate for 5-14 year olds is 1 in 3.5million.
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"Children are more likely to be struck by lightning than die from coronavirus so lets cause them huge amounts of educational, social and mental health damage by creating some alien mask wearing place of education, where fear and mental trauma will be imprinted in their brains for a lifetime.
You keep saying this, the U14 death rate is some where around 50 though... last time I checked lighting strike deaths it’s an average of two per year from all age groups.
So basically, as with many of your points... utter pap!
It is suggested, based on ONS statistics, that an average of 30-60 people are hit by lightning each year - a rate of between 1 in 1.1million and 1 in 2.21million - the current death rate for 5-14 year olds is 1 in 3.5million.
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I quote “the risk of being struck and killed by lightning is one person in 19 million.” Thats you comparable starting fact... the number of covid 19 confirmed cases in under 14’s is around 1,500 or thereabouts... and remember due to lack of serve reaction in this a lot of those figures come from those hospitalised, the real infection rate will be larger.
Now, as a man of maths I am sure you can also see the error in your own equation... the lighting stats present all age groups combined. There’s around 11mil people aged 14 and below, so in reality the chances of a 0-14 year old being hit by lightning or hit and killed by lightning are a 1/6th of what you stated x |
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I will give you “lightning strikes have a greater fatality rate than Covid-19”, that we can agree on. But, let’s face it.... a few million of us aren’t going to get hit by lightning anytime soon so it’s largely irrelevant. X |
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These lightning calculations or discussions are irrelevant.
You are deviating from the fundamental points of epidemiology. What does matter, it is the transmission rate (the famous R).
Asymthomatic and pre-symphomatic (2-4 days prior the symptoms) are the main cause of SARS COV 2 transmissions which is killing our oldest generations, medical staff, key workers and patients with other diseases (e.g. lymphoma) who have belated treatments or diagnosis.
So, what the society wants to do to combat the infection?
No lihtning calculation in cildren can help you making this decision - controlling the R will.
How do you want to control the R?
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clearly you don't have kids then ! They are missing vital schooling and social interaction that is rewiring their brains at crucial stages of their development ! The cognitive effect of this lack of school i fear will be felt for years to come!
Morons like you haven't got a.clue ffs
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When the schools reopened here they were taught in smaller groups. No parents allowed on school grounds without permission. Staggered drop off and pick up with different school entrances used for different ages. It worked well.
School bus users had to complete form for contact tracing.
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"clearly you don't have kids then ! They are missing vital schooling and social interaction that is rewiring their brains at crucial stages of their development ! The cognitive effect of this lack of school i fear will be felt for years to come!
Morons like you haven't got a.clue ffs
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It would probably be better to not resort to name calling...
Personally, my view is that local authorities should be given the say over school operation. In areas where the infection rate is extremely low (my local area has seen 3 new cases in the last week) Schools should be instructed to operate in a completely normal fashion with just extra hand sanitizing. Areas with higher cases should introduce more stringent measures. This would allow the number of students impacted to be restricted to as few as is necessary.
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"These lightning calculations or discussions are irrelevant.
You are deviating from the fundamental points of epidemiology. What does matter, it is the transmission rate (the famous R).
Asymthomatic and pre-symphomatic (2-4 days prior the symptoms) are the main cause of SARS COV 2 transmissions which is killing our oldest generations, medical staff, key workers and patients with other diseases (e.g. lymphoma) who have belated treatments or diagnosis.
So, what the society wants to do to combat the infection?
No lihtning calculation in cildren can help you making this decision - controlling the R will.
How do you want to control the R?
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Controlling the R is almost a waste of time unless it can be driven down to zero over time and globally. At present all we are achieving is only prolonging this epidemic  |
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"These lightning calculations or discussions are irrelevant.
You are deviating from the fundamental points of epidemiology. What does matter, it is the transmission rate (the famous R).
Asymthomatic and pre-symphomatic (2-4 days prior the symptoms) are the main cause of SARS COV 2 transmissions which is killing our oldest generations, medical staff, key workers and patients with other diseases (e.g. lymphoma) who have belated treatments or diagnosis.
So, what the society wants to do to combat the infection?
No lihtning calculation in cildren can help you making this decision - controlling the R will.
How do you want to control the R?
Controlling the R is almost a waste of time unless it can be driven down to zero over time and globally. At present all we are achieving is only prolonging this epidemic "
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